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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney, alongside

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Speaker 1: in right now, she told Prasad, small and MidCap growth

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Speaker 1: portfolio manager and research analysts at Jennison Associates. She tall

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Speaker 1: here at Bloomberg Radio. All day, we've been focusing on

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Speaker 1: what's going on down in Washington. Uh, you know, getting

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Speaker 1: some of these bills passed. Do the good folks at

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Speaker 1: Jennison do they care or you guys just focusing on

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Speaker 1: what are earning? Is going to be next quarter, next year,

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Hey, guys, it's it's good to

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Speaker 1: be with you again. And it's actually a really funny

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Speaker 1: question because I think for the most part, we aren't

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Speaker 1: really as concerned with it, and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: even the markets are, um, you know, admittedly on our

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Speaker 1: team and we you know, we're on a morning meeting

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Speaker 1: every single day. We're just not talking about uh the

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Speaker 1: infrastructure package, the social package that the DC is talking about. UM. Instead,

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Speaker 1: we're really focused on more immediate issues like UH inflation,

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Speaker 1: interest rates, the supply chain disruptions, UH, COVID, and you

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Speaker 1: know things even like China and the power shortages there.

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Speaker 1: So so to your point, UM, I think we're focused

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Speaker 1: more on immediate term issues that are affecting our investments

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Speaker 1: UM and looking forward to what what companies will say

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Speaker 1: on on third quarter earnings. Yeah, so she tells us,

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Speaker 1: you look at kind of all of these media intern

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Speaker 1: issues that you just listed out, especially the supply change

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Speaker 1: as we approach earning season, how is that affecting your

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Speaker 1: investment thesis at this point? It's a real challenge, UM.

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Speaker 1: You know for pretty much all of our companies across

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Speaker 1: all of the sectors. So you know, we at Jennison

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Speaker 1: we invest in companies that broadly UM, you know, whether

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Speaker 1: is very few parts of the economy that have been

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Speaker 1: I think what is clear is that UM that the

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Speaker 1: alleviation in some of the the supply chain issues, whether

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Speaker 1: so what we're looking at with where regard to our

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Speaker 1: she told you that's a big topic, that being the

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Speaker 1: supply chain issues. That's a topic that Kaylee and I

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Speaker 1: Teel Prossad small emit cap Growth PM at Jennison Associates. Alright,

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Speaker 1: we had a ton of ECO data out this morning

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Speaker 1: that includes cement and steel and all that good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Good manufacturing talk for Friday. Timothy Fury, Chairman of the

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Speaker 1: Manufacturing Business survey at the Institute for Supply Management. They're

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Speaker 1: and chief investment officer of Centerstone Investors on the phone

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Speaker 1: from New York City. So I'll pay if I'm a PM.

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Speaker 1: got some money under management, about a hundred billion in equities,

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Speaker 1: sixty five billion in total. So um, they know what

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Speaker 1: they're talking about. And Phil mentioned he's historically been pretty bullish.

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Speaker 1: They pulled back recently a little bit, got a little

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Speaker 1: bit more conservative on these equity markets when they were

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Speaker 1: pushing all time highs. Uh. They've pulled back a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but Phil thinks it could maybe even pull back a

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Speaker 1: little bit more to give them about the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: put some of that capital to work. So they are

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Speaker 1: a little bit cautious here and otherwise a constructive outlook.

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