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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: As we now entered days one e yes of this

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Speaker 2: government shutdown, with each side still playing the blame game.

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Speaker 2: This morning, though, Kevin Hasset, director of the National Economic Council,

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Speaker 2: said the White House is going to have to look

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Speaker 2: very closely at stronger measures, as he put it, if

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Speaker 2: the government shutdown does not end this week. Earlier today,

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Speaker 2: we got an inside perspective from Capitol Hill when we

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Speaker 2: sat down with Republican Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, of course,

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Speaker 2: chairs the Senate Commerce Committee. Talked about the state of

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Speaker 2: the shutdown, the no King's rallies over the weekend, and more.

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Speaker 2: Started by asking him if trouble at the nation's airports

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Speaker 2: will be the factor that ends this shutdown.

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Speaker 3: This shutdown needs to end, and it needs to end now.

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Speaker 1: We're going to vote today, I think the eleventh or

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Speaker 1: twelfth time to reopen the government. The Republicans are all aligned.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to vote to reopen the government. What we've

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Speaker 1: seen over and over again is the Democrats keep voting

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Speaker 1: to keep the shutdown going.

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Speaker 3: And it's irresponsible.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I was at Houston's Hobby Airport a

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Speaker 1: couple of days ago, I did a press conference there

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Speaker 1: where I pointed out they're fifty thousand TSA agents right

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Speaker 1: now who are working with no pay. They didn't get

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Speaker 1: a full paycheck in the last pay period. They're fourteen

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Speaker 1: thousand air traffic controllers who expected to come into work

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Speaker 1: but they didn't get a full paycheck.

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Speaker 3: And this needs to end.

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Speaker 1: It's not right, it's not fair, and I think Democrats

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Speaker 1: are holding not only the US government hostage, but holding

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Speaker 1: the American people hostage. And we're already seeing delays climbing,

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Speaker 1: and I got to say, every day this goes on,

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Speaker 1: I think we could expect more and more of that.

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Speaker 1: At some point the Democrats need to take their Trump

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Speaker 1: derangement syndrome and set it aside and let the government open.

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Speaker 4: Senator, I do have to say that you just talked

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Speaker 4: about Americans who are waiting on this. Some Americans likely

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Speaker 4: aren't concerned whether it's the Democrats or the Republicans who

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Speaker 4: are responsible so for those or those not getting paychecks.

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Speaker 4: You know, what do you say to them after this

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Speaker 4: has gone on for so long?

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Speaker 1: Well, look, one of the challenges in terms of predicting

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Speaker 3: You asked, all right, when's this going to be over?

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Speaker 1: And I said, I don't know, because in many ways,

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Speaker 1: the two parties are living in parallel worlds. And I

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Speaker 1: think for the Democrats they're in an echo chamber where

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Speaker 1: they're listening to their left wing radicals.

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Speaker 3: Who are happy. Look, last week.

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Speaker 1: It was conventional wisdom in the Senate that there was

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Speaker 1: no chance the government would reopen last week. Why because

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Speaker 1: the so called no King's rallies were going to happen

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Speaker 1: this weekend, and the Democrats were terrified of reopening the

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Speaker 1: government before they saw the radicals. And the phrase I

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Speaker 1: kept hearing was that Chuck Schumer was afraid his head

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Speaker 1: would be on a pike metaphorically not advocating violence, but

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Speaker 1: he was afraid of his own left wing radicals. Right now, listen,

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Speaker 1: the way this is going to end is it's going

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Speaker 1: to take seven or eight Democrats saying all right, this

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Speaker 1: stunt's gone on long enough, let's end it. And the

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Speaker 1: reason the government has shut down it's a very simple

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Speaker 1: question of math. In order to fund the government under

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Speaker 1: the Senate.

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Speaker 3: Rules, you need sixty votes in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: There are only fifty three Republicans, which means we need

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Speaker 1: at least seven Democrats. The reason the government is shut

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Speaker 1: down right now is the Democrats are voting party line

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Speaker 1: all but three Democrats. Three Democrats are voting with us

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Speaker 1: to reopen the government. Everyone else is voting now. Until

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Speaker 1: the Democrats give us seven or eight votes, the government

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Speaker 1: a day. I don't know if that's a week. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that's a month. But at some point

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Speaker 1: this stunt needs to end.

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Speaker 2: You wonder if we get as far as Thanksgiving. That

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Speaker 3: In mind when I asked you that you mentioned no kings.

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Speaker 2: Pretty incredible optics from over the weekend and the number

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Speaker 1: Listen, I was glad that there were not significant acts

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Speaker 1: I was grateful that these did not play out that way.

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Speaker 3: People that came out for no Kings.

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Speaker 1: The only problem is the video, she said out was

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Speaker 1: am have been laying out this protest was not organic. Actually,

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Speaker 1: Verdict with Ted Cruz. Today's podcast is actually bringing the

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Speaker 1: receipts that these protests they were not organic. One of

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Speaker 1: the things that was striking is they were almost all

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Speaker 3: But this is also bought and paid for.

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Speaker 1: This is AstroTurf, and in particular George Soros. I lay

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Speaker 1: out on the podcast how George Soros's foundation has given

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Speaker 1: millions to Indivisible, one of the lead groups organizing these protests, and.

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Speaker 3: This is bought and paid for in a way.

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Speaker 1: Look, these protests are really expressing the Democrat rage. We

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Speaker 1: hate Donald Trump, and sadly that's who today's Democrat party

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Speaker 4: So, Senator, if you're saying they're bought and paid for,

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Speaker 4: I mean, don't do you think this is something though

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Speaker 4: of the Tea Party and that wasn't necessarily taken all that.

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Speaker 1: Seriously, So how should you approach these Look, unquestionably we

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Speaker 1: should take political peril seriously. Number One, I think it's

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Speaker 1: bad for America when one of our two major political

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Speaker 1: Democrats are. I mean, they're a party that is unified

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Speaker 1: behind hate for Donald Trump, but number two politically in

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Speaker 1: terms of the midterms in twenty twenty six, it's dangerous.

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling my colleagues, Look, if the election in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six depends on results, I think we have

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Speaker 3: In the United States.

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Speaker 1: I think substantively, Republicans have a lot.

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Speaker 1: That being said, and you're exactly right, Julie, there is

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Speaker 1: a lot of energy. There is a lot of anger

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Speaker 3: Is anger, I'll tell you.

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Speaker 1: In terms of fundraising, the Democrats are raising a lot

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Speaker 1: more money because their radicals hate Trump so much and

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Speaker 1: look angry. Energized voters show up to vote, and I

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Speaker 1: do worry about just just ordinary voters who are happy

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Speaker 1: I don't need to show up and vote. There's no

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Speaker 1: that that leads to a bad election.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know that you're very concerned about political rhetoric

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Speaker 2: in this country and political violence. The comments that you

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Speaker 2: made following the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel, made some pretty

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Speaker 2: a contrarian in that case. And you've got a piece

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Speaker 2: of legislation, a job owning bill that's up before the

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Speaker 2: Is that a different version of a No King's Bill.

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Speaker 3: No, Look, I think it's very different. Let's be real clear.

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Speaker 3: I believe in free speech.

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Speaker 2: It was Donald Trump, though, who led so Jimmy Kimmel

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Speaker 1: Well, to be fair, it wasn't Donald Trump. It was

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Speaker 1: Brendan Carr, the chairman of the US.

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Speaker 2: I realized there were ratings issues and everything else, But

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Speaker 2: do you see the connection I'm trying to make.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, listen.

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Speaker 1: I disagreed with Brendan Carr's comments, and I actually did

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Speaker 1: an entire podcast laying out that government should not be

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Speaker 1: threatening to strip the license away from a media outlet

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Speaker 1: wasn't Brendan Carr who invented this process or in the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration, the Biden FCC was talking about stripping away

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Speaker 3: I led the fight to say no, just because you.

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Speaker 1: Don't like what Fox News is saying, the federal government

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Speaker 1: doesn't get to strip their license away. And so when

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Speaker 1: was important to say, Look, government should not be in

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Speaker 1: But it also will create a right of action and

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Speaker 3: Because I think we should protect.

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Speaker 1: Free speech whether we agree with or disagree with the speaker.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting we talk about licenses too. And of

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Speaker 2: course that's a pretty small slice of the media landscape,

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Speaker 2: going on right now. But I have to ask you

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Speaker 2: about NASA. We're spending a lot of time on your

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Speaker 2: Commerce Committee here, and Bloomberg is reporting, and we heard

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Speaker 2: from Sean Duffy earlier today that the Artemist contract may

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Speaker 2: other than SpaceX involved. Here is the answer that's needed

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Speaker 2: to finally get America back to the moon.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, I don't know what NASA's going to do.

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Speaker 1: I will say I think Sean Duffy is doing a

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Speaker 1: fantastic job as the acting administrator.

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Speaker 3: He's really dived into the role. And NASA.

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Speaker 1: Look, NASA is something that is near and dear to

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Speaker 1: lifelong Houstonian, Johnson's Space Center is right there. It matters

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Speaker 1: that I wrote that funds ten billion dollars for NASA

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Speaker 1: to go back to the Moon, and it funds Artemis,

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Speaker 1: it funds going back to the Moon.

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Speaker 3: And we're in a race.

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Speaker 1: Look that there's a unifying theme behind all of the

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Speaker 1: legislation that I'm fighting for in the Commerce Committee, and

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Speaker 1: that is producing jobs and beating China.

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Speaker 3: And we need to beat China going to the moon.

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Speaker 1: China's stated they intend to go to the moon by

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Speaker 1: twenty thirty and we cannot lose the race to the moon.

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Speaker 1: In my view, if we wake up in a few

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Speaker 1: years and see China on the moon, see China establishing

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Speaker 1: a base on the Moon, I think it would be

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Speaker 1: a blow to America. That would make sput Nick seem mild.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to do everything humanly possible to prevent

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Speaker 1: that from happening. And I will say Sean Duffy at

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Speaker 1: dinner with Sean last week, I think he really is

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Speaker 1: diving in and is committed we will go to the

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Speaker 1: moon and we will beat China.

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Speaker 3: That is very good for America.

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Speaker 4: And that was Republican Senator Ted Cruz of Texas speaking

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Speaker 4: with US earlier this afternoon,