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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff.

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Speaker 1: I never told your production of I Heart Radio. So

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Speaker 1: before we get started on this Monday, many around quarantine

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Speaker 1: body trigger warning for eating disorders, because we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about what that looks like when you're quarantining. So

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Speaker 1: if that is something that is triggering for you, totally understand,

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Speaker 1: maybe don't listen to this one. Um So, I guess

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Speaker 1: we could start out personally, what's your situation with this

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Speaker 1: whole eating and exercising and um So, exercising for me

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Speaker 1: means me getting up from the couch, maybe going down

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Speaker 1: the stairs and watching peaches run around in circles in

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Speaker 1: the backyard. Um I have you and you and I

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Speaker 1: always kind of nice, I think. Um outside of that,

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Speaker 1: I've kind of just been here understanding that sometimes this

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Speaker 1: much about what's happening in the world. Also, it helps

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Speaker 1: that I'm not wearing real pants, like I definitely wear pants.

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Speaker 1: men's pajama payants sounds lovely. That's like a little bigger

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Speaker 1: than typical, and I'm like, these are amazing and they

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Speaker 1: have giant pockets. I love it off. Maybe ever um

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Speaker 1: food wise, yeah, it's been interesting to see because we're

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Speaker 1: It was kind of slowed down because part of that

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Speaker 1: norm now, So how do I get into a better

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Speaker 1: it's it started to strain itself out. I did make

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Speaker 1: last night my um weird taco salad that I make

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Speaker 1: She made it from the Rights of ROADI box recipe,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of one of those comfort foods that we made.

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Speaker 1: I made because I was like, I need something comforting

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Speaker 1: it sounds amazing, right. So what about you? What have

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Speaker 1: it's just become so like one an anxious, like anxiety

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Speaker 1: And then yes, Samantha and I've been doing some of

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Speaker 1: then stress eating and drinking binging. Yes, high levels of

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Speaker 1: And this has been a really triggering time for some people,

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Speaker 1: eating disorders. All these conversations around food and working out

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