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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we've got the number one

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Speaker 1: Jordan in professional football. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the

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Speaker 1: grage for NFL Daily with my friend Jordan Rodrigue of

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Speaker 1: The Athletic And yes, Jordan, I asked you on to

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Speaker 1: talk about the Bill Belichick book.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, let a start to the week.

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Speaker 3: Want to start to the week, recording this early Monday morning,

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Speaker 3: and man, you're coming out swinging with this topic today, Greg,

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Speaker 3: you have takes.

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Speaker 1: So I spent too much of my weekend reading the

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick book called The Art of Winning and thinking

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Speaker 1: about Bill Belichick and why this book exists and why

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Speaker 1: this book doesn't work, and I just need to get

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Speaker 1: it out of my system because it's too much Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick in the middle of May in the year twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. So we're going to talk about the book,

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Speaker 1: a little bit about Bill Belichick as an entity right

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Speaker 1: now and why he might be searching for new pr

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Speaker 1: according to ProFootball talk dot com, and we will do

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a news on the back end.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, my first question with this is just and

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Speaker 1: I know you haven't read the book, Jordan. Only a

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Speaker 1: select few apparently got this in the mail. It was

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Speaker 1: originally sent to New York. I'm holding up if you're

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Speaker 1: watching it on YouTube and the New York Office. And

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Speaker 1: then and it got to me, I haven't seen many reviews,

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Speaker 1: so I thought I would tell people about it. And

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Speaker 1: my number one thing is like, why did Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: write a business book? It's like everything about this rollout

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Speaker 1: is clumsy, and everything with his girlfriend is getting picked

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Speaker 1: on and everything seems clumsy. But beyond all that, like

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Speaker 1: him writing a business book was insane. It was like

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Speaker 1: if you drafted Lawrence Taylor and you asked him to

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Speaker 1: play cornerback or something, and it just makes every part

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Speaker 1: of the book so clumsy.

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Speaker 2: And there are good parts of the book.

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Speaker 1: I'll get to that, but like the way he tries

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Speaker 1: to connect it to business, we're so bad. And you

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Speaker 1: know this as a writer, Jordan, sometimes the concept doesn't

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Speaker 1: work from step one, and I think this is one

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Speaker 1: of those. There was no saving this book trying to

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Speaker 1: make it a business book. And when you look at

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Speaker 1: some of the emails that Jordan put out on her Instagram,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't seem really that happy with the rollout of

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Speaker 1: this book either. It might not be the book he

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Speaker 1: wanted to write. I don't even know, but that's sort

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Speaker 1: of where I start with this book.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, and to be clear, I have not read

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Speaker 3: this book. Yes, you try to deliver it to me

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Speaker 3: over the weekend, and you know what, I went and

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Speaker 3: touched grass and saw the sun, and I would say,

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Speaker 3: like healthy boundaries, I think it, and I saw Sinners,

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Speaker 3: which was so master It was a masterpiece. It was

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Speaker 3: just masterfully done. It was amazing. So what I would

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Speaker 3: say is like, first of all, the process of getting

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Speaker 3: something published like this in general, when you're trying to

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Speaker 3: walk that line, like usually when you're writing the book

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Speaker 3: or proposal or something like that. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: he had to do that, considering he's such a name,

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Speaker 3: but you have to say what it's going to be

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Speaker 3: in order for people to say, Okay, I will put

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Speaker 3: money into that and invest into it. And in a

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Speaker 3: world where there are very few sports books that are

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Speaker 3: cracking through like the Zeitgeist, I would think that it

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Speaker 3: was I would imagine, and someone from their camp can

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Speaker 3: come correct me if I'm wrong. Imagine that it was

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Speaker 3: pitched as some sort of a combination leadership football book

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Speaker 3: that's one thing. The other part of is Greg, I

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Speaker 3: know what, when you see a book written by Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 3: who's like this encyclopedic mind of football, who has so

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Speaker 3: and his experience in it, I could feel from our

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Speaker 3: conversations over the weekend that you were left wanting sort

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Speaker 3: of in that department of what this book was and

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Speaker 3: versus what perhaps you wanted it to be.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Like you could tell it's positioning itself as a

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Speaker 1: football book because on the back cover, the top lurb

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Speaker 2: A leader guy.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I could tell that he's like a good guy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. And then the lead

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just gonna rant a little bit like.

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Speaker 1: The people he quotes are business, and it was like

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Speaker 1: a turn paper where you're trying to bring it back

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Speaker 1: every once in a while to like every few paragraphs,

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Speaker 1: to like how this can help you, and.

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Speaker 2: Like the like it's so clumsy.

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Speaker 1: Here's a little quote he had at one point, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna write He's like, here's a motivation trick. When you

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Speaker 1: feel lazy, close your eyes and imagine Gronk walking into

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Speaker 1: your office, swatting you aside and taking your job. What's

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Speaker 1: he doing? How hard is he doing it? Does he

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Speaker 1: email you were too overwhelmed to type. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of that, and it just keep making me thinking, like,

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Speaker 1: did Bill Belichick actually write this book? Because there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of parts in it where it just doesn't

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Speaker 1: sound remotely like his voice, And there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: the book in general was like a fundamental misunderstanding of

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Speaker 1: why Bill Belichick is great, that maybe he even misunderstands that,

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Speaker 1: at least to me, I don't think he's great because

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Speaker 1: of his leadership skills. I think all the things there

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Speaker 1: are interesting things in here about running a team, in

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Speaker 1: it's because of his game plans. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: there are stories, and he tries to, you know, bring

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Speaker 1: it back to the business of it all. But it's

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Speaker 1: like a movie that had a lot of money in it,

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Speaker 1: That was sort of like my overall takeaway, and it's frustrating.

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Speaker 1: He got mad at the ben Volean review, which to

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Speaker 1: I picked up how that can be like a really

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Speaker 1: useful phrase to have in your building up and then

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Speaker 1: he goes through a few things he piked up on

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Speaker 1: and the reason he wrote about that because it was

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Speaker 1: one of the only interesting parts of the book. It

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Speaker 1: actually seemed like it was from Bill Belichick. For instance,

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Speaker 1: he really regrets going forward on fourth and thirteen in

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Speaker 1: was interesting. I heard to talk about that, but it

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Speaker 1: always like goes back to these clumsy points. Right after

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Speaker 1: he writes this paragraph, if I can do that admitting

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Speaker 1: that mistake, you can admit that you forgot to take

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Speaker 1: the water mark off your PDF, or you can admit

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Speaker 1: you think these readers are idiots? Like, not only do

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Speaker 1: you have no connection to the business world, it's sort

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Speaker 1: of a disdain for the reader that reminds me of

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Speaker 1: his press conferences, that reminds me of his interview with

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes that acts like you should be so lucky

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Speaker 1: to give you the little that I'm gonna give you,

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Speaker 1: and that's all you're gonna get because I don't really

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Speaker 1: think that highly of you. Which works when you're winning

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Speaker 1: super Bowls and you're at a podium. It doesn't work

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Speaker 1: as a book. You're just like, why is this guy

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Speaker 1: that's like the business see part of it that drove

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Speaker 3: I think it's interesting because that was I think one

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Speaker 3: of the greg the gregiest of all Greg Rants just

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Speaker 3: now got more.

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Speaker 2: I've got more got.

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Speaker 3: He's wearing his Boston Celtic's sweatshirt.

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Speaker 2: For our game one tonight. Nick, let's go.

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Speaker 3: I do want to say it too, like I think

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Speaker 3: they've proven that they're very, very good at like this

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Speaker 3: one thing. And I don't I don't know you. We talked,

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Speaker 3: how much of his voice.

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Speaker 1: To operate like he wrote the book because it's actually

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Speaker 3: But That's the thing is I think that expecting people

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Speaker 3: made them incredibly regarded, incredibly well known, in absolute dominating,

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Speaker 3: a building that he never like, a side of an

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Speaker 3: I think that it's like I would say, for me,

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Speaker 3: I again, I have not read it, but I would

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Speaker 3: go in with with no expectations. Okay for hearing before

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Speaker 1: So I will just say, I just want to answer

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Speaker 1: that that specific point. The only reason I would have

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Speaker 3: This is not that book. He no, no, I get

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Speaker 3: that it's from them done in pages. It's clear that

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Speaker 3: this is not that book, nor is it pretending or

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Speaker 3: trying to be I'm not sticking up for a book

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Speaker 3: I haven't read. I'm also not dumping on a book

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Speaker 3: I haven't read. But I would just say like, and you,

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Speaker 3: I Greg, you are a incredibly experienced mind and voice

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Speaker 3: in this particular topic with such a background in it.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not like pushing back on your opinion.

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Speaker 2: I just want I would say why I had higher expectations.

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Speaker 3: But right, and that's that's fine. But I would just say, like,

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Speaker 3: this is not that book, so you can't even start

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Speaker 3: his hand and I'm going to learn some football. This

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Speaker 3: is going to be great. Like that's just not never

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Speaker 1: Bill is doing, they're iced out forever. That is caring

436
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Speaker 1: about what people thinks more than everything, And so I

437
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 1: do think it's okay to be a little disappointed in

438
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Speaker 1: him as a human on a weekend that Greg Popovich

439
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Speaker 1: is retiring and I'm just thinking, man, kid, does a

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Speaker 1: couple of the Bell Tech stories ever be like the

441
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Speaker 1: Popovich stories?

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Speaker 3: Like?

443
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Speaker 2: Is that too much to ask?

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Speaker 1: Obviously it is, But I've invested too much in my

445
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Speaker 1: Belichick life.

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Speaker 2: To just like totally let it go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I get that, and like, Greg, trust me,

448
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Speaker 3: Like I feel this from you. We've texted about this,

449
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Speaker 3: Like I know that this is something you're incredibly passionate about.

450
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Speaker 3: I'm not pushing back against disagreeing with your opinion of

451
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Speaker 3: a book that you read and you took a lot

452
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Speaker 3: of time to study. I'm just saying all of our

453
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Speaker 3: sports figures in general, all of them, top to bottom,

454
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Speaker 3: every single one of them. The people you even see

455
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Speaker 3: on your TV screens talking about sports like they're human

456
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Speaker 3: beings with strange lives in a very strange environment that's

457
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Speaker 3: hyper competitive. That's a sickness in many ways that that

458
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Speaker 3: makes you ill to exist in for extended periods of time.

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Speaker 3: And then you're not, and then you are, and then

460
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Speaker 3: you're not, and then you are, and then you're you're

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Speaker 3: grappling with how to exist as a human within that space,

462
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Speaker 3: and then you become of that space. And Bill Belichick

463
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Speaker 3: a long time ago became synonymous with that space and

464
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Speaker 3: of that space, and I think became sort of this

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Speaker 3: hard and shell of a person that was like a

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Speaker 3: brand and a grumbler and someone we would just see

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Speaker 3: on our TV but I'm just saying, like with anyone

468
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Speaker 3: who exists in these spaces, whatever sport or media or whatever, like,

469
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Speaker 3: don't have the expectation. Just don't be cause they're gonna

470
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Speaker 3: they're gonna be somebody who you're not. You don't know

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: That it's a great point, and I think it's true,

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Speaker 1: and this one hits I think just because I do

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Speaker 1: love football, and I love football books, and I love

475
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Speaker 1: Belichick as a football mind, and I think he does too,

476
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Speaker 1: and so I think that good book is in there.

477
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Speaker 1: I think maybe he'll maybe he still will write it someday.

478
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Speaker 1: But part of it is also I think what you're

479
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Speaker 1: seeing from some of his ex players who are willing

480
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Speaker 1: to talk out that's just like you forget that the

481
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Speaker 1: end for so many of these great coaches specifically are

482
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Speaker 1: not I mean, go through him. Vince Lombardi unfortunately, like

483
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Speaker 1: was kind of stumbling through an era in Washington before

484
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Speaker 1: he just died on the job more or less. Don

485
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Speaker 1: Shula the end it was not great. Tom Landry, the

486
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Speaker 1: end was not great. Bill Belichick's hero, Paul Brown, like

487
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Speaker 1: the end was was really tough. And I guess I

488
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Speaker 1: did have in my mind this like post career Belichick

489
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Speaker 1: that could be different, partly because he's he taught me

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Speaker 1: to do that. So I am going to recommend a

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Speaker 1: couple books, Education of a Coach by David Hauberstam, which

492
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Speaker 1: is with Belichick about him and his dad. Is like

493
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Speaker 1: that's kind of the problem is that, like the Great

494
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Speaker 1: Belichick book has already been written and Belichick participated it,

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Speaker 1: and like there are actually a couple little things in

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Speaker 1: this book. And then there's also a book Patriot Reign

497
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Speaker 1: by Michael Holly, which was a great insider fly on

498
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Speaker 1: the wall account where he's with the team for two years,

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Speaker 1: including their first which is or another they're O two

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Speaker 1: o three seasons, which are amazing. Like, read those books

501
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: and he participated in those books. Uh, if you want

502
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Speaker 1: to read good football writing and learn a little bit

503
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Speaker 1: uh more about it.

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Speaker 3: And I hold out hope too that the that the

505
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Speaker 3: really good football book that like kind of preserves who

506
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Speaker 3: this person is in football's history. I hold out hope

507
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Speaker 3: for that existing top education. But I'm saying specifically, but

508
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Speaker 3: if he wants to write it by him kind of

509
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Speaker 3: plumbing some of the areas that maybe are yet to

510
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Speaker 3: be discovered. But yeah, and I agree with you. I

511
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Speaker 3: think that those are two really good examples. And again

512
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Speaker 3: I go back to the very start. It's hard. We

513
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Speaker 3: don't see a lot of those books come into existence,

514
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Speaker 3: that's fair anymore. There have been a few really great

515
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Speaker 3: ones over the last couple of years, but they are

516
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Speaker 3: few and far between when they do exist. And so

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Speaker 3: to me, this strikes a line between what does a

518
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Speaker 3: publisher want, what does a market want, what does a

519
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Speaker 3: marketing agency want? And how can I try to reach

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Speaker 3: and profit into this area where I can talk to

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Speaker 3: people sitting like at a what are these like pay

522
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Speaker 3: for attendance seminars that get held, like these conferences? It

523
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Speaker 3: kind of is like that, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: So like maybe that's maybe that's what it was, and

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Speaker 3: the next one won't be that. I don't know. It's

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Speaker 3: a long it's a long life. It's a long road.

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Speaker 1: He according to those emails and sort of how he

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Speaker 1: reacted in the CBS interviews and the statement that he

529
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Speaker 1: made upset about how CBS you know cut the interview

530
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Speaker 1: does indicate that he wants the book to be taken

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Speaker 1: seriously and on its own terms, and so.

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Speaker 2: So we tried to do that. Maybe maybe I'll write

533
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Speaker 2: another another book. It's funny.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, this is a small stupid thing. Like

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Speaker 1: he actually like points out how Bill Parcells was a

536
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Speaker 1: good communicator when he does like the if they're going

537
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Speaker 1: to make me make the meal, they should at least

538
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Speaker 1: let me cook the groceries, which is his famous line

539
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Speaker 1: on his way out of New England, and he mentions,

540
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Speaker 1: how like that's a good example of clear communication. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there reading, like thinking like I literally read

542
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Speaker 1: another book, including you, Bill Belichick, where you made it

543
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Speaker 1: clear that you thought Bill Parcells was an absolutely horrible

544
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Speaker 1: leader for essentially phoning in his last couple weeks with

545
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Speaker 1: the Patriots as they were preparing for the Super Bowl

546
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Speaker 1: because he was already taking a job with the New

547
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Speaker 1: York Jets. And so it was almost an idea of like,

548
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Speaker 1: here's this Bill with ideals from twenty years ago in

549
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Speaker 1: a different book, and here's Bill trying to get that

550
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Speaker 1: cash grab, just like making.

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Speaker 2: A very sort of lazy point years.

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Speaker 3: One problem about books and about football and some of

553
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Speaker 3: the more binary ways football is covered and talked about,

554
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Speaker 3: is it freezes people in one period of times.

555
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so That's one of the great things here out

556
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: him too. It really is. And this is a this

557
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Speaker 2: is a weird moment time for him.

558
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: Jordan, He's got he's got his son, Steven Belichick's wife

559
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: making like anti Jordan Hudson comments on Instagram, Well Steven's

560
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: on his staff, and I'm.

561
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Speaker 2: Thinking, oh man, this is this is messy. Let's take

562
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Speaker 2: a quick break and let's get back. Let's talk some

563
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: news after the break.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite parts I didn't mention at the

565
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Speaker 1: end of that Belichick book is how he just thanked

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Speaker 1: like hundreds and hundreds of people and like hunt like

567
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Speaker 1: like a hundred Patriots players or more. And I was

568
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Speaker 1: just thinking, if you were one of those Patriots players,

569
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Speaker 1: like because obviously couldn't think every single one, it would

570
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: be heartbreaking if you're going fearing and your.

571
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Speaker 2: Name is not on there.

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Speaker 1: Like I was like, because he didn't mention Malcolm Butler

573
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Speaker 1: even once in the in the book, I was like,

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Speaker 1: you better have thank Malcolm Butler.

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Speaker 2: It's like he did. He did did not mention Robert

576
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Speaker 2: Kraft though, did Yeah. I saw that.

577
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Speaker 3: I I think my face is melted off after that.

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Speaker 2: I see review that.

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Speaker 1: You if I really wanted to get into it. I'd

580
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Speaker 1: go into the couple reviews I've seen up. I mean,

581
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Speaker 1: give me a break, people, Why are you trading favors

582
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Speaker 1: by like having a decent review of Bill Belichick at

583
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Speaker 1: this point of his career.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to help you out. It's not going

585
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: to help you out. Just be honest. Look, there's not

586
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Speaker 2: a lot of news, Jordan.

587
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Speaker 1: There's always a couple of quiet weeks after the draft

588
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Speaker 1: where they do some rookie mini camps over the last weekend,

589
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Speaker 1: like the Seahawks at the Rookie Minnie Camp.

590
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Speaker 2: Some other teams did some more rookie minute camps.

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Speaker 1: Pop up this week. Some OTAs are starting up again

592
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Speaker 1: this week. But it's a little bit quiet. But we

593
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Speaker 1: did learn that Washington is going to host the twenty

594
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Speaker 1: twenty seven draft, an announcement made to great fanfare on Monday.

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Speaker 3: Definitely a new era for Commanders fans. I feel like

596
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Speaker 3: we say this every couple of weeks at this point,

597
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Speaker 3: with that new ownership group and coaching staff and quarterback

598
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Speaker 3: and infrastructure at least agreed to for that local stadium site.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's I think we've seen how responsive and electric.

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Speaker 3: These cities regardless of where they are, whether it's raining,

602
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Speaker 3: whether it's cold, whether it's outside, whether it's inside. Like,

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Speaker 3: these cities really show up and show out for this event,

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Speaker 3: and the Commanders kind of keep stacking up these wins.

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Speaker 1: Here, great football town, great football fans. Pittsburgh I believe

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Speaker 1: has it next year, and so they keep going to

607
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: cool these cities that can't get a Super Bowl but

608
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: can have a draft, which is really cool. The announcement,

609
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Speaker 1: by the way, was made by Washington ownership and Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: So just the reminder when there's like keep politics out

611
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Speaker 1: of football. It's like everyone's putting politics in football. Politics

612
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: are in literally everything, but they're going out of the

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Speaker 1: way to put politics in football.

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Speaker 3: That was Yeah, I wonder how those crowd photos are

615
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Speaker 3: going to be manipulated.

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Speaker 1: The fifth Your options were wrapped up over the last week,

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Speaker 1: and I just thought i'd throw it out to you.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything that stuck out to you with the

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Speaker 1: fifth year options?

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Speaker 3: Ikia Kanwu kind of stuck out to me a little bit.

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Speaker 3: This is a Panthers franchise that's clearly not willing just

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Speaker 3: yet to give up on somebody they scouted, somebody they drafted.

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Speaker 3: All the previous previous regime did that. So I do

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Speaker 3: feel like this is uh that one stuck out to

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Speaker 3: me because they picked up his fifth year option. To

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Speaker 3: be clear, yes, yes that they did pick up his

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Speaker 3: fifth year option. And you know, if you at least

628
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Speaker 3: like some of the traits and you can keep a

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Speaker 3: tackle around for cheap for an extra year, I guess

630
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Speaker 3: you do it. But for me, I liked the maturation

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Speaker 3: of their offensive line as a collective over the last

632
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Speaker 3: season about season and a half, and he just there's

633
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Speaker 3: still to me so far for him to go that.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they think that they can continue consistency, the continuity

635
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Speaker 3: of staff of other people in that room will help him,

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Speaker 3: I guess take the next step.

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Speaker 1: So, just to give some context for the audience, So

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Speaker 1: the fifth year option is for guys they're now only

639
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: entering their fourth year, but you're guaranteeing them their salary

640
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Speaker 1: next year at twenty twenty six. So for Ikya Kanwu,

641
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Speaker 1: that is a seventeen million dollar contract for a starting

642
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Speaker 1: left tackle locked in for next year.

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Speaker 2: I think the general.

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Speaker 1: Consensus from people around the team and people that watched

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Speaker 1: them was that he probably did improve significantly enough last

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Speaker 1: year to at least feel good about his trajectory that

647
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Speaker 1: he's getting closer to average. And the crazy thing is

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Speaker 1: now is like these fifth year options, for the most part,

649
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Speaker 1: we're going to get it to one. That's an exception.

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Speaker 1: For the most part, are such reasonable deals that actually,

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Speaker 1: like I get it, like seventeen million dollars now, Jalen

652
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: Moore got that in free agency, like Cone probably would too,

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Speaker 1: Like it actually is probably worth it. And if you

654
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Speaker 1: wound up being your swing tackle even next year, it's

655
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Speaker 1: like it's not even the worst outcome. So so I

656
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: get that one. Well, while we're talking about Tyler, Lindenbraum

657
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: did not get his, which I was like, whoa w

658
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: that's crazy, But they said it's because of they wanted

659
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: to do a long term deal and because his fifth

660
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: year option was so beefed up because he's made Pro

661
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 1: Bowl all Pro I forget which one it is, but

662
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: that made it up to twenty three million dollars, which

663
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Speaker 1: is I get why they wouldn't do that.

664
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you do a multi year deal with him,

665
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: obviously you can help out your own salary cap in

666
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: the short term of that deal versus pay that significant

667
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: of a guarantee to somebody in that one fiscal year.

668
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't be surprised to see them kind of

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Speaker 3: go heavier on the cash flow of a longer term

670
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Speaker 3: deal with him and then kind of avoid some of

671
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: those guarantees that that fifth year option would have provided

672
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Speaker 3: him specifically in.

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Speaker 2: That year, right.

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Speaker 1: I do like that they put into the collective Bargaining Agreement,

675
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: which really does not help these orgies out at all,

676
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: these first round picks in general, that if you make

677
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls, it bumps up your fifth option. Because he

678
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: was not taken early. That's why is twenty three million dollars.

679
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: And so I would be surprised, knowing the Ravens, if

680
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: they don't get a long term deal done with him.

681
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: They did pick up the option of Kyle Hamilton. Eventually

682
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: they'll get one done with him. Some other interesting one

683
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis, who's just kind of been like a okay,

684
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: two down run stopper, does get his option picked up

685
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: by the Eagles. Some offensive linemen did not, Zion Johnson

686
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: for the Chargers, Trevor Pennying the right tackle for the Saints,

687
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: and then Evan Neil no surprise top ten pick for

688
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: the Giants. It's a reminder, Jordan. They always say, like

689
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: in the first round, when you take those linemen, it's like, well,

690
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: plug and play, Like there was always there, used to

691
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: be this idea that like offensive linemen were somehow safer

692
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: picks when they're just like every other pick there there,

693
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: there's inherent risk in every single pick.

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Speaker 2: And those three did not work out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, somehow to me that sounded still like a little

696
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Speaker 3: well Campbell shade. I know you're still not mbursing that pick,

697
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Speaker 3: but you know, I'm just I'm picking up I'm picking

698
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 3: up some subtleties from me here.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was not thank you about that.

700
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, those three guys didn't get the option. The

701
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: Packers actually kind of split the difference on their two

702
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: first round picks from four years ago. Little surprising. Kuay

703
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: Walker was a no. He's been all over the place

704
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: as an off ball linebacker, and I think they really

705
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Speaker 1: like Eddrin Cooper, so he's kind of replacing maybe what

706
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Speaker 1: they thought kuay Walker could do. But they did pick

707
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Speaker 1: up Devonte Wyatt their defensive tackles, so another score one

708
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: for the defensive lineman over off ball linebackers. And then

709
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Speaker 1: I just want to shout out Devin Lloyd, who I

710
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Speaker 1: think if I hadn't heard Ali Connolly's opinion, this wouldn't

711
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Speaker 1: have surprised me at all. Ali Connelly, for what it's worth,

712
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Speaker 1: thought our friend who's been on the show, that Devin

713
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: Lloyd improved enough last year that he thought he was

714
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Speaker 1: almost at like an all pro Pro Bowl level. It

715
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Speaker 1: was like one of the rising off ball linebackers in

716
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Speaker 1: the league. And the Jaguars obviously disagreed with that. They

717
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Speaker 1: didn't pick up his fifth year option. So that I'm

718
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Speaker 1: starting to make my list Jordan of a twenty twenty

719
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Speaker 1: six free agent, he could be an interesting one with

720
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Speaker 1: the big year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if he gets there, because I don't

722
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Speaker 3: think I think you know, it is coming from a

723
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Speaker 3: team building model that really devalues financially that position, whether

724
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 3: it's financially or draft pick. From that sort of like

725
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: Rams Tree from a front office perspective, But you have

726
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 3: not again guaranteeing a certain amount of money versus perhaps

727
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: getting an extension done might be a little bit of

728
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 3: a difference here. They said they need to get more

729
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 3: information on him, but I mean, the tape is the tape.

730
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Speaker 3: So I feel like this is at least someone we

731
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: might just at least keep an eye on in terms

732
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Speaker 3: of something multi year versus letting him totally hit free agency.

733
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Speaker 3: But they are trying to rebuild their core of their

734
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Speaker 3: roster at the same time.

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Speaker 1: So and look, they didn't need to see more for

736
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: Travon Walker exactly.

737
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Speaker 3: Yeah, That's why I brought it up, that.

738
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Speaker 1: Said, it might be more of a system thing too,

739
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Speaker 1: Whereas like Travon Walker, you know what he's going to

740
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: do almost in any system, whereas they are bringing in

741
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Speaker 1: a totally new defense, which you haven't talked about much

742
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: at all, the Jaguars new young defensive Quarterator Campanil, I

743
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: believe is how you pronounce his yeah, and so seeing

744
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: how he fits in that defense. All right, A couple

745
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: other just small items before we get going the Ravens.

746
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker is still on that roster. I thought it

747
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: was interesting over the weekend that John Harbass said a

748
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: kicking decision between Tucker and their sixth round pick will

749
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: come down to kicking, and that's it will be about football,

750
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: and that they're still waiting to find out about the

751
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: allegations for Tucker.

752
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: What do you make of that? It's weird.

753
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: It's typical. It's the thing that kind of irritates me

754
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 3: because it happens over and over and over again when

755
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: these situations arise, where in order to avoid the topic

756
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: at hand or having any nuanced or thoughtful discussion, and

757
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 3: also to avoid putting your foot in your mouth over

758
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: information that you maybe have not fully verified or research

759
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: or like things that could get you in legal trouble.

760
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: Like it is just the the blanket coverall excuse of

761
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: I'm actually not going to talk about this right now.

762
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: It will be a football decision. And so you see it.

763
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: You see it with everything. You see it with these

764
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: types of situations. You see it when people make questionable trades.

765
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 3: You see it when you know all all the time

766
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 3: that is code. That is football bro, football guy code

767
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: for I'm actually not going to talk about this with you.

768
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 3: So it just like I have no I have no

769
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Speaker 3: real comment or take on it because it's irritating. It's

770
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: just it's over and over again. This is what we see.

771
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 3: When it's a situation that is potentially very very serious.

772
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Speaker 3: Then you know, it's just it's irritating and it's derivative,

773
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: and it's it makes it infantilizes if I'm pronouncing that right,

774
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: and fantilizes an audience that is very much aware that

775
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: this is not just a football topic, as it pertains too.

776
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 3: Justin Tucker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they in Harbor even pointed out, look, we

778
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: took Tyler Loop in the first sixth round, then he

779
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: goes early in the sixth round, and I'm like, something

780
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: weird is going on here. He was prepped from hit

781
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: by his PR people before talking about Tucker. It might

782
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: be as something as simple as they're trying to avoid

783
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: any any filing from the NFLPA, that Tucker is getting

784
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: treated unfairly, that it's all about football, and that they're

785
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: planning to cut him at a later date because it

786
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Speaker 1: helps their salary cap more.

787
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: Who knows.

788
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: There's no way Justin Tucker is kicking for them again,

789
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: I can't imagine, but he is still there on the roster.

790
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: They signed your old friend Joe Noteboom, by the way,

791
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: he will try to make that roster. Jerome Ford took

792
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: a pay cut in Cleveland, will go through the rest

793
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: of these quick and that just I just wanted to

794
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: mention that because that likely ends Nick Chubb's time in Cleveland.

795
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: They're pretty stacked at running back, and we'll see if

796
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: Chubb ends up in Chicago. There's been some talk about

797
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: that before. It takes like one hundred percent pay cut

798
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: to stay and there's just not room.

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: After the Browns drafted a couple players at the position,

801
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: the Bills signed Elijah Moore. That was rumored at so

802
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: those those Bills radio guys that Brandon Bean blew up

803
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: at like they should be happy you got Elijah more

804
00:38:59,520 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: in the building.

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Speaker 3: Was it like the next day too, or two days

806
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: later or something like that that It's like I could

807
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: just imagine Brandon Bean, who I like a lot, by

808
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: the way, I thought that was hilarious and and I

809
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: think those guys handled it really well too, because it's

810
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 3: always a bit of a shock when something like that happens.

811
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Speaker 3: But it's like I could just imagine of sitting there

812
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: with the transaction sheet as like his assistant GM and

813
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: just being like, gosh, we need to run this through

814
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: and then everybody's going to make the exact same joke

815
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 3: at the same time.

816
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Speaker 2: Oh my god. There were some rooky mini camps. I do.

817
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: I am dorky enough that like I go to your

818
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: great site the athletic and see like the pictures of

819
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: Jalen Milroe and Gray's Abel and Elijah Royo and the

820
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: Seahawks uniforms, and just like.

821
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's cool.

822
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: There's quotes from them talking, that's cool Zabel. By the way,

823
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Speaker 1: he was left guard at the mini camp. They're not

824
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: going to use him at center. That was expect that

825
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: he's going to probably start at left guard. They're not

826
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Speaker 1: going to use him at tackle either, at least not now.

827
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Speaker 1: And Nick Iman worry their safety playing a lot near

828
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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. And it caught my eye that

829
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Speaker 1: he's wearing the number three.

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Speaker 3: Who could have ever projected some of his traits? Yeah?

831
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: Who could have ever predicted? It's just cool. It's like,

832
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 3: I don't know. I like when football pays tribute to itself.

833
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: You know, yet another reason why you were let down

834
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: by the belt.

835
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Speaker 2: I actually like.

836
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Speaker 1: It, right, I like it when I like that Emmin

837
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: Worry is wearing Russell Wilson's number. Sometimes I don't like

838
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: the defensive players with the single digits, but there is

839
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: something I don't know.

840
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Speaker 2: I actually like the other people. Maybe we'll hate it.

841
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 1: Speaking of defensive players who might be playing safety Jalen

842
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: Ramsey are last thing Sean McVay mentioned. I believe it

843
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: was on Adam Shin's radio show that they were interested

844
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: in training for Jalen Ramsey. He basically confirmed it that

845
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: that would be something that they were interested in, kind

846
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: of mentioned the timing of it all. June first might

847
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: be a big date here said other teams might be

848
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: involved in this as well. But it's clear that Jalen

849
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 1: Ramsey will not be on the Dolphins, and it does

850
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: sound like there's a chance that the Rams will be

851
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: the team he lands with.

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00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've been saying this publicly and very openly since

853
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 3: the days leading up to the first round of the draft.

854
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: You know, they reiterated it again on Saturday afternoon after

855
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: the every round of the draft, like that he is

856
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 3: a player they would be interested in reuniting with. There's

857
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 3: there's no surprise there. Jalen Ramsey most likely wants to

858
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: come back to Los Angeles as well, had a lot

859
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 3: of success here, really understands knows the building. Sean McVay, Chrishula,

860
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: He's very close with those guys. So that's all makes sense.

861
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: It's the little old pesky problem of the Rams are

862
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: not going to pay a significant amount for this, and

863
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 3: Miami would have to absorb salary even post June first,

864
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 3: So that's the hold up here. It's like, Okay, all

865
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: of this sounds really nice, but how much is Miami

866
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 3: really willing to do here? Because the Rams they kind

867
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: of go about this process, and they went about it

868
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: this last year and then and certainly through the draft

869
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 3: where they did not pick up a corner and they

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Speaker 3: went out and they got Emmanuel Forbes last season to

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Speaker 3: play potentially on the outside behind either a Kella Witherspoon

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Speaker 3: or Darius Williams. Kobe Durant is going into his final

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Speaker 3: year of his contract, so they have a four deep.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that it's gonna shock people or anything

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Speaker 3: like that, but it's a four deep and they're deep

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Speaker 3: at safety, and they got a couple undrafted free agents

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Speaker 3: that they really like who played well. Fam Kim Kitchens

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Speaker 3: also played really well. So it's like one of those

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Speaker 3: things where they do have leverage to draw Miami down

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Speaker 3: a little bit. And I think they know by now

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Speaker 3: that they're just not going to make fiscally unsound moves

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Speaker 3: heading into what will be probably a couple of big

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Speaker 3: spend years for them as they kind of try to

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Speaker 3: go all in with Matthew Stafford still at quarterback. So

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Speaker 3: this is one of those things where I think everybody

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Speaker 3: wants it to happen, but structurally we'll see. I would

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Speaker 3: predict he's on the Rams roster by training camp, but

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Speaker 3: like I said, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the need and the desire from all

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Speaker 1: parties will match up more than the desire anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: The trick is always can you get a guy to

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Speaker 1: take a little less money. I kind of doubt it

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Ramsey, but we'll see if he

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Speaker 1: ends up having any choice. That is it for today's show. Jordan,

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Speaker 1: thank you for depie up Fiery One. I mean it

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Speaker 1: was It wasn't at.

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Speaker 3: You, no, I know, I just I could feel. It's

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Speaker 3: like when you're listening to like a Metallica song and

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Speaker 3: your face just starts peeling back, like they're not playing

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Speaker 3: to me or at me, but my face is still melting.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I'll take that as a compliment. Let's hit the music here.

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Speaker 1: Jordan will be back. It's Big Jordan week. I believe

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Speaker 1: we have Colleen Wolf in the studio once to that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: man Belichick did say the Patriot Way does not exist.

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Speaker 2: I appreciated that in the book.

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Speaker 1: So when the Patriot Way no longer exists, but the

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Speaker 1: man who said that decided to trademark the Belichick Way,

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Speaker 1: football is back