WEBVTT - Hour 2 - Steve Phillips (05-28-20)

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Radio. It's our two on this Thursday, Dan and

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<v Speaker 1>the Dana d. Stan Patrick Show. I'm wondering that when

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<v Speaker 1>the National Hockey League gets back on the ice, they

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<v Speaker 1>have the Stanley Cup Final and then you have the

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<v Speaker 1>commissioner taking out the Stanley Cup trophy? Do you pump

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<v Speaker 1>in booze just to make him feel at home there?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, welcome to the program. Boys are here, ready

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<v Speaker 1>to go. We'll talk to Steve Phillips, former Mets general manager.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he works for the MLB Network on Serious X

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<v Speaker 1>and get his thoughts on the players and the owners

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the Hatfields and the McCoys and they've

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<v Speaker 1>made it public and it doesn't feel like there's a resolution. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what happens a lot of times when you have a lockout,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you have a strike. It doesn't take much

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<v Speaker 1>to get everybody back together. It's usual one or two items.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it feels like there's a lot more. But it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like there's one or two items. This is just

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<v Speaker 1>the monetary aspect of this. You still have to get

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<v Speaker 1>all the safeguards in play said where you're playing and

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<v Speaker 1>the testing and is their fans, and who gets to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the game? What about the media? How many

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<v Speaker 1>members of the media get to go? You know, what

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<v Speaker 1>is the process just to get into the game, to

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<v Speaker 1>cover the game, to play in the game, all of

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<v Speaker 1>these items that are there. But money is the issue

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<v Speaker 1>here and it has been the issue, and the players,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like, are taking a stand saying no more

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<v Speaker 1>pay cuts here. But we'll talk to Steve Phillips. He's

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<v Speaker 1>got he's a calming voice on this. He's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>seen both sides. He's a former player and of course

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<v Speaker 1>worked in the front office with the Mets, so he'll

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<v Speaker 1>join us. Coming up. I gotta ask Steve, did Steve?

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<v Speaker 1>Was Steve there offering Bobby Benia his contract that the

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<v Speaker 1>Mets are still paying for Could you check that, mclovin.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to put this on Steve, but they

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<v Speaker 1>did sign Bobby Beniah to that what twenty five year

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<v Speaker 1>deal where I think he's still getting paid by the

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<v Speaker 1>way he was playing for other teams and still getting

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<v Speaker 1>paid the Mets. But I think it is going to

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<v Speaker 1>go on for a few more years. Yeah, Paul. That

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<v Speaker 1>contract started in two thousand and eleven and ends in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and thirty five. The total payout is thirty million.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think a lot of those contracts are the

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<v Speaker 1>gym does a good job in deferring money allowing you

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<v Speaker 1>to sign another player for that upcoming season. So from

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<v Speaker 1>a baseball standpoint, that may have not have been a

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<v Speaker 1>bad move that I think. I mean, always feels like

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it was a bad move. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to put that on Steve that

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<v Speaker 1>he's the one who he did pull off the trade

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<v Speaker 1>for Piazza, so I gotta be fair to him on

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<v Speaker 1>that too. Yeah, Paul, every time you look up on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet Bobby Bania and contract, there's always lots of

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<v Speaker 1>stories of him. And they used this picture of Bobby

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<v Speaker 1>Bania where he's smiling like he just won the lottery,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's the biggest smile it did have in the lottery. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we want to bring up Bania

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<v Speaker 1>and the next day it seems like Steve was involved

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<v Speaker 1>ed move on, Oh all right, scrap that then there's

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<v Speaker 1>no reason to bring that up, no reason to bring

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<v Speaker 1>up any history there. But he'll join us, Jerry West

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<v Speaker 1>will join us coming up in an hour from now

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<v Speaker 1>eighty two years of age. Love having Jerry on, so

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have the Hall of Famer. Mister Klutch, I had

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<v Speaker 1>a stat here, and I'll bring it up this hour

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<v Speaker 1>because there's no way I'm going to bring it up

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<v Speaker 1>next hour when Jerry joins us. Jerry west is one

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<v Speaker 1>of eight players to win the NCAA Final Four Most

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<v Speaker 1>Outstanding Player and win the MVP in the NBA Finals.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jerry West is the only one to do both

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<v Speaker 1>in losing efforts. Stat of good day, stat of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>that best stat of the day, stat of good day.

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<v Speaker 1>Here comes that one stat of the day. Why am

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<v Speaker 1>I going negative here? I got Steve phillips On and

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that. No need to bring up Bobby Bennie

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<v Speaker 1>or move on Jerry west On. But how good do

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<v Speaker 1>you have to be that you're the most Valuable Player

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<v Speaker 1>in the NBA Finals and you lose, and you were

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<v Speaker 1>in the NCAA Final Four, you're the most Outstanding player

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<v Speaker 1>and you lose as well. So Jerry will join us

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<v Speaker 1>coming up next. Our phone calls are welcome. We settle

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<v Speaker 1>on a poll question or something different. This slur mclovin. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a couple of different options we did. We

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<v Speaker 1>did the first hour to NBA players or would you

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<v Speaker 1>watch your family there? People said no for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, PAULI threw out this question. With the Lance

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong documentary out there and Barry Bonds, we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>last hour, who will history treat the harshest over time?

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<v Speaker 1>Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong, Houston Astros. I'm not suree all

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<v Speaker 1>the astros aren't in there. Yeah, okay, now well it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>they cheated, all right, we move on. Lance Armstrong is

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<v Speaker 1>still Lance Armstrong. I have no idea why he agreed

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<v Speaker 1>to do this documentary be a part of it, because

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<v Speaker 1>he has no self awareness. It is amazing to watch him.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I wonder if he ever had self awareness

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<v Speaker 1>because he's not helping his cause his case, if he's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to ingratiate himself, he's not doing a good job

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<v Speaker 1>at all. And Bonds was like this. We understood that

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<v Speaker 1>this is who Bonds was. Bonds wasn't trying to be

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<v Speaker 1>your friend. He didn't care Lance. It feels like I

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<v Speaker 1>can't understand why you don't admire him, or you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want him to be your friend or whatever. Approach you

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<v Speaker 1>may have or thoughts about that doesn't have self awareness

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<v Speaker 1>during this documentary doesn't come off well. I think Bonds

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<v Speaker 1>probably will be treated harshest because it was baseball. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we sort of care. The reason why Lance Armstrong hurts

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more to people is we feel we

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<v Speaker 1>reduped by live Strong. We feel we reduped by his story.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, him winning the Tour de France. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>care about the Tour de France, but then Lance won,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, we when's the last time

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<v Speaker 1>time you locked in and went can't wait to watch

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<v Speaker 1>the Americans in the Tour de France. Chances are it

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<v Speaker 1>was probably when Lance was racing. Because I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you'd care if we have a chance to win, we care.

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned the America's Cup yachting. We don't what do

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<v Speaker 1>we know or care about yachting, But we lost the

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<v Speaker 1>America's Cup then we wanted it back. It meant war, Yeah, probably.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't you think that the Astros will be go

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<v Speaker 1>down in history as the one proven, proven cheating team

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<v Speaker 1>to win a title in American sports history. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know of another, that's if there is one. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know of it. We don't know of it, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go down as a team. There's no question, There's

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<v Speaker 1>very little question. I think there's no question they cheated

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<v Speaker 1>to win a World Series. We don't know how many

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<v Speaker 1>times they cheated. We know they cheated, okay, but we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how many games they cheated. But the problem

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<v Speaker 1>with them is they won. I'm sure there's other teams

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<v Speaker 1>that cheated and got in trouble and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the season they are accused cheating, they won the

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<v Speaker 1>World Series. So wouldn't they go through the list. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>remember those guys, Well, what about teams that use steroids?

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<v Speaker 1>Like football teams? The Nebraska Cornhuskers won national titles and

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<v Speaker 1>you know there was evidence that their players were using

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<v Speaker 1>steroids their offensive line. Did they cheat? Did the Pittsburgh

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<v Speaker 1>Steelers with those players on their offensive line? Did they cheat?

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<v Speaker 1>Or was it everybody else's cheating? So it's not cheating

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<v Speaker 1>like Lances, I guess his philosophy is everybody else was cheating.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just better at them at cheating. He's not

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<v Speaker 1>denying that he cheated. I think what he's saying is,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the big deal everybody was cheating, so what Yes, mcclubn.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think the Red Sox won an eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what year they got officially busted for,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were doing the same thing as the Astros, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but we don't know there was I mean, what were

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<v Speaker 1>the penalties. The Red Sox fired their manager, but their

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<v Speaker 1>baseball didn't come down hard on the Red Sox for cheating.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they did something to them, right, did they exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't even know what they did, right, Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>now did the Astros cheat? Absolutely? I just I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if we're going to vilify the Astros. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty five years from now. My point was had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of teams to probably do what the Astros

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<v Speaker 1>were doing. That'll help them in the long term. That

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<v Speaker 1>is true. I think doctoring baseballs. That's why when I

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<v Speaker 1>think there was that moment between Jim Leland and Tony

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<v Speaker 1>LaRussa in the World Series and it's like, you're gonna call, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know his picture on that Like Nope, because you

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<v Speaker 1>knew that your picture was doing the same thing. Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good, yep, that nothing to see year and just

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<v Speaker 1>keep going. Let me see a couple of things. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw where Baker Mayfield Junior the third had a not

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<v Speaker 1>a press conference but a teleconference, and I guess that

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<v Speaker 1>was just meeting with members of the media and the

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<v Speaker 1>Browns writers since he can't be there in person. And

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<v Speaker 1>Baker Mayfield had this to say about his new philosophy

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<v Speaker 1>moving into this season. I have a different approach to

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<v Speaker 1>this year. Everybody that has been interviewed in our team

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of hit the nail on the head over

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<v Speaker 1>and over about you know, it's just time to work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time to do our thing instead of talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the first media thing I've done just

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<v Speaker 1>because there's no need to be talking about it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just time to go do it. And right now it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of moving in silence, which is fun

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<v Speaker 1>for me. That's how I used to do it before

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<v Speaker 1>getting on a bigger stage. So I'm happy to get

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<v Speaker 1>back to those roots. Like I said earlier, get back

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<v Speaker 1>to the fundamentals to where I can accomplish the goals

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<v Speaker 1>when the season comes around. Yeah, he finally listened to me.

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<v Speaker 1>No commercials, no nothing, don't challenge anybody in the media,

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<v Speaker 1>just shut up and play football. And you want to

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<v Speaker 1>you want to put people, you want to put them

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<v Speaker 1>in there, their corner there. You can do that by

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<v Speaker 1>playing great football. You can shut everybody else up by

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<v Speaker 1>just playing great football. You don't have to talk a

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<v Speaker 1>good game. You must play a good game. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the most important year of Baker's career because this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to decide if the Cleveland Browns are going to go, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a guy we're going to sign to a

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<v Speaker 1>second contract. Here. You got offensive line help, you got

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<v Speaker 1>a tight end, new tight end, you got your wide receivers,

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<v Speaker 1>you got two running backs here, no excuses here, no

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<v Speaker 1>more excuses. He should have a If he doesn't haven't

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<v Speaker 1>thirty touchdown passes, he had a bad year this year.

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<v Speaker 1>They are a playoff team and he should have thirty

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown passes. And if they take him back to what

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<v Speaker 1>he did his first year or when he how he

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<v Speaker 1>played in college, that will be very important for Baker Mayfield,

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<v Speaker 1>very important. But be quiet. You know you didn't earn anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you can prove it and then you could get

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<v Speaker 1>that second contract. But the more he talked, the worse

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<v Speaker 1>had god. The more he challenged people, the worst had gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Just let your play. Tell everybody what it needs to because,

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<v Speaker 1>believe me, it will. Yeah, Paul, I completely disagree with this.

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<v Speaker 1>Baker Mayfield got to where he is, a Heisman Oklahoma football,

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<v Speaker 1>eleven wins, first round pick, his Rookie of the Year,

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<v Speaker 1>all by being brash and in your face. I had

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<v Speaker 1>the feeling of a year from now, we're gonna hear

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<v Speaker 1>Baker Mayfield take you know what. I gotta get back

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<v Speaker 1>to being me. I gotta get back to challenging people

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<v Speaker 1>are getting people's faces. Last year, I try to go

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<v Speaker 1>into a shell and let the media control me. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what we're gonna hear a year from now. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't go well last year when he was Baker Mayfield,

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<v Speaker 1>and it certainly helps when you're at Oklahoma and you're

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<v Speaker 1>playing those defenses. Yeah yeah, all of a sudden, you

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<v Speaker 1>look a whole lot better. There. NFL humbles you, man,

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<v Speaker 1>they humble you. That's what happened. Good story, underdog story,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, you go, oh, look at

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<v Speaker 1>Baker Mayfield. He's been great the second year. Hey we

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<v Speaker 1>got Odell Beckham, and hey we're gonna go to the

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<v Speaker 1>super Bowl. And then all of a sudden, you go, Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not even leaving Cleveland, dude, You're not going anywhere. Yeah. Boy,

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<v Speaker 1>This is kind of how Cam Newton's career started out.

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<v Speaker 1>His first year is in the Pro Bowl, twenty one touchdown,

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen picks. The next year he cooled off. His percentage

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<v Speaker 1>was down, his touchdowns were down, his productivity was down.

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<v Speaker 1>And then following year he's twelve and four. His third

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<v Speaker 1>year in the league, Cam Newton was twelve and four. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and look, I like Baker, I like that personality, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's a time and a place for it, and it

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<v Speaker 1>felt like he would be playing bad and those progressive

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<v Speaker 1>commercials would come on and you go, no, no, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not good. Now, those are funny. If you're twelve and four,

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<v Speaker 1>you know when Peyton did all his commercials and Peyton

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<v Speaker 1>was winning, that's the difference. If Peyton's going five and eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going, okay, yeah, that's really funny. Yeah, it's okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Peyton with drawl, Southern drawl, Nation one or

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<v Speaker 1>got Brad Paigeley here, Babe Bran not as funny. Clive

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<v Speaker 1>certainly was clever when he was winning. Man at Peyton.

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<v Speaker 1>He's funny because he's winning. Baker, Nope, I also saw

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<v Speaker 1>this foregone conclusion to a tongue of violoa will start

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<v Speaker 1>in week one question mark. The Dolphins have indicated that

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<v Speaker 1>to a tongua violo. So if you're going to do clickbait,

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<v Speaker 1>you do not put a question mark there. Question mark

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<v Speaker 1>means it's not a story foregone conclusion to a tongue

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<v Speaker 1>will start week one, it's not a foregone conclusion. If

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<v Speaker 1>I got a question mark there foregone conclusion to a

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<v Speaker 1>tongue of violoh will start week one question mark? Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The Dolphins have indicated that tongue of violoha might start

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<v Speaker 1>the season on the bench until he's ready to start

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<v Speaker 1>in the twenty twenty season. But Bleacher reports Mike Freeman,

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<v Speaker 1>find NFL writer says that tongue of violoa starting week

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<v Speaker 1>one is a foregone conclude. Wait, if your writer is

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<v Speaker 1>saying it's a foregone conclusion, then don't put a question

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<v Speaker 1>mark by it. Is he saying or is he reporting?

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<v Speaker 1>Because those are two different things. Right Seton could say

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<v Speaker 1>that two is going to start, Well, let me see

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<v Speaker 1>if he's got sources here. Well, my sources right now

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<v Speaker 1>are telling me he's either going to start week one

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<v Speaker 1>or be on the bench a bank up. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>see what this says. Uh, my dolphins a week one

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<v Speaker 1>is a foregone conclusion. Let me see if there's anything

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<v Speaker 1>else in here. Oh, let's go with it. Yeah, they probably,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just publish it. I clicked on the story. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Todd added the question mark because I don't see

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<v Speaker 1>the question mark in the story. Todd, did you ask

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<v Speaker 1>the question? Did you put the question mark there? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you edit this? You got to turn on your mic.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how it works. I put a question mark in

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<v Speaker 1>the headline, but in my headline for the subject of

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<v Speaker 1>the Why are you doing that? Who the hell are

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<v Speaker 1>you to put a question mark in the headline because

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<v Speaker 1>that was my that was my website. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>a surprising piece of news. Patrick, Who's the number one

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<v Speaker 1>where he's supposed to be ahead of two and all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, But you're not the editorial staff here

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<v Speaker 1>for Bleacher Report. I'm not I took I took a

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<v Speaker 1>little liberty there, I guess I apologize to Mike Freemant.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that Todd was all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>going to be editing this. That was my question as too. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>this is interesting to it could be starting. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>need to wait a minute, hold on a second. Is

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<v Speaker 1>because there's two question marks. Right, there's the subject of

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<v Speaker 1>Todd's email that says to us starting week one question

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<v Speaker 1>mark and then the next part is foregone conclusion to

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<v Speaker 1>a we'll start week one question mark? Todd? Did you

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<v Speaker 1>put both of those question marks in anything in the

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<v Speaker 1>actual copy? I did not put a question mark. But

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<v Speaker 1>my only question mark was in the year subject I

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<v Speaker 1>clicked on the story. There's no question mark. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that you brought that to our attention. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to apologize on behalf of this? I have

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<v Speaker 1>to show the journalistic faux pause, but it says foregone conclusion.

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<v Speaker 1>It says foregone conclusion, Todd. That's what he's that's what's

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<v Speaker 1>being reported. I know, but you don't. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to put after week will start week one period, then

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<v Speaker 1>you put boy, I have a question mark about this,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Dolphins have the Dolphins announced that he's the

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<v Speaker 1>starting quarterback. Don't try it, Todd. Don't try it because

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<v Speaker 1>some some sources are saying, but it's a foregone conclusion

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<v Speaker 1>until the Dolphins come out and say our starting quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>Week one is two. Then that's a question mark to me.

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<v Speaker 1>When does the reporter get to tell the team who's

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<v Speaker 1>too for him? He's not putting a question mark after

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<v Speaker 1>this report. Yeah, the line report. It's still a report.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not back. It's a report. I know, but you

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<v Speaker 1>I understand what you're saying, and I as it's a

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<v Speaker 1>foregone conclusion. That's his report, his opinions, a foregone conclusion.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. I think the reason why I put the

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<v Speaker 1>question mark in and not to confuse you, and I apologize,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because the Dolphins have not said that he's the story. No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the way this works. That's not the way

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<v Speaker 1>this works. So I caused a journalistic piece of confusion there,

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<v Speaker 1>Yes she did, So I will apologize for that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't sound like you want to. I'll be more

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<v Speaker 1>kept with my punctuation in my air. No, you can say, boy,

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<v Speaker 1>I got questions about this, but you've added a question

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<v Speaker 1>mark in the title that he proba. You have put

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<v Speaker 1>really question mark there. That would have been good, that

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<v Speaker 1>would leave it for interpretation after that. So, Mike Freeman,

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<v Speaker 1>we apologize, cleared that up, just move on. Nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>see here, So it looks like two is definitely the

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<v Speaker 1>week one quarterback, regardless of what the Dolphins front officers.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go. There's the Toddler. There he is passive.

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<v Speaker 1>Here he is Ladies, that's great that Mike Freeman is

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<v Speaker 1>a sistant GM of the Dolphins. That's all. Every story

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<v Speaker 1>you see where somebody makes a declaration, do you put

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<v Speaker 1>a question mark for now on my subject? We are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be no. Do you do this at all of them?

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<v Speaker 1>Because this is the first time somebody, Oh, you have,

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<v Speaker 1>but but but it has of course this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>rucus in here. You just can't say, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>my bad. I should probably just say check out this

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<v Speaker 1>story or just ny after the hour, we'll talk to

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Phillips, the former Mets general manager, will join us

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<v Speaker 1>or will we question mark or wait a second? Just

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm getting an up getting a note on the

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<v Speaker 1>wise here, Mike Freeman, new vice president of a player Plason.

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<v Speaker 1>I like, somehow, all of a sudden, because Todd screwed up,

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<v Speaker 1>he's attacking Mike Freeman, like somehow it's his fault that

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<v Speaker 1>on that particulars Mike Freeman did his job, he did

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<v Speaker 1>something he got some information there and in what dot?

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<v Speaker 1>What response was gotten from the Dolphins for the foregone conclusion.

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<v Speaker 1>You would think he or somebody would have went to

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<v Speaker 1>do and say he foregone conclusion. What response has been

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<v Speaker 1>given by the foregone conclusion from him? I want to

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<v Speaker 1>know what the Dolphins response to the report. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>foregone todd This is where you always tried it. Hawk

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<v Speaker 1>yourself out as something you do. I'm the only one

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<v Speaker 1>of a stafflet does that. And twenty after the hour,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the Dan Patrick Show, question mark two. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to see him start week ones. Shut up,

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<v Speaker 1>s R. Coming up a little bit, we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>tailgating at college football games. I brought this up a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks ago article in New York Magazine by

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<v Speaker 1>Will Leach, who lives in Athens, Georgia, and he proposed

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<v Speaker 1>the question that we ask a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>what if no fans are allowed in the stands, but

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<v Speaker 1>you still have people show up to tailgate at the stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about that coming up. One of the right

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<v Speaker 1>baseball minds that I worked with that the Mothership. He's

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Phillips, host of Leadoff Spot on MLB Network and

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<v Speaker 1>Sirius XM, former Mets GM. He joins us on the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve full disclosure. I heard you on Mad Dog Radio

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<v Speaker 1>this morning coming in and I said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve is making some nice, you know, concrete, bite sized

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<v Speaker 1>answers here, given opinions on both sides of this, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, you know what, let me have him come

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<v Speaker 1>on and summarize exactly what is going on with Major

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<v Speaker 1>League Baseball right now. So thanks for joining us on

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<v Speaker 1>short notice, and it's great to see you here. To

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<v Speaker 1>see you too, and be glad to be here. And

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<v Speaker 1>obviously these negotiations going on, Baseball made their proposal and

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<v Speaker 1>it was effectively a non starter for the union, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of the sliding scale, and I think the way

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<v Speaker 1>to look at it is owners have proclaimed that they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to lose forty percent of the revenues without fans

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<v Speaker 1>in the stands. That includes ticket sales, concessions, parking, all

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<v Speaker 1>of that that it's forty percent. The proposal they made

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<v Speaker 1>to the players on taking a pay cut off of

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<v Speaker 1>the pro rated salary is a sliding scale that impacts

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<v Speaker 1>guys differently depending upon how much winny they make, but effectively,

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<v Speaker 1>on average, they're asking the players to take a thirty

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<v Speaker 1>three percent pay cut now, so effectively the forty percent loss,

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<v Speaker 1>they're actually putting thirty three percent of that on the

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<v Speaker 1>players and only holding seven percent of that themselves. From

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<v Speaker 1>the owner's perspective, so it's a non starter for the players.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't like the sliding scale and the way it's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of spread out, and so the union now looking

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<v Speaker 1>to put together a counter proposal that we're hearing is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be pro rated salaries, that's it, and we

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<v Speaker 1>want more games. And from the owner's perspective, they're looking

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<v Speaker 1>at it saying we lose about six hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars per game paying pro rated salaries without fans

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<v Speaker 1>in the stands. More games is worse for the owners,

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<v Speaker 1>and it pushes the regular season deeper into the fall,

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<v Speaker 1>where the owners have a real concern that they might

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<v Speaker 1>lose the playoffs with the second wave of the virus,

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<v Speaker 1>and the playoffs is the biggest line item of revenue

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<v Speaker 1>for owners right now, that playoff share of the network money.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't put that at risk, and so therein lies

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<v Speaker 1>the problem in this negotiation. All right, let me make

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<v Speaker 1>you the mediator here. You're gonna bring both sides together.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the common ground that will allow us to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to play baseball? Right? So, the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>the players need to understand is the owner's perspective. There's

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<v Speaker 1>two things. One, not having fans in the stands is

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<v Speaker 1>a major issue when it comes to revenues. That needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be addressed. That a player getting one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 1>of his day's pay when the owners getting sixty percent

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<v Speaker 1>of revenue. That's the problem. The players need to acknowledge it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have to get off of the pro raated salaries.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing the players need to understand is that

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<v Speaker 1>if they're going to get paid, the owners are going

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<v Speaker 1>to pay them up front and then make themselves whole

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<v Speaker 1>by collecting the playoff money. If the playoffs don't happen,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's catastrophic losses. For the owners, so the players

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<v Speaker 1>need to protect the owners with the risk of losing

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs. From the owner's perspective, they need to understand

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<v Speaker 1>for the players that pro orated salaries already cripples them

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<v Speaker 1>at half their pay and taking less than that with

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<v Speaker 1>where they are and the fact they have short term

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<v Speaker 1>lifespan as a baseball player, that ultimately they're the ones

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<v Speaker 1>going on the field taking the physical risk that has

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<v Speaker 1>dollar value that needs to be acknowledged. And so ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>the two sides need to understand pro rated salaries at

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent will not get a deal done. The

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<v Speaker 1>players are going to have to come off of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and the owners are not going to get a fifty

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<v Speaker 1>fifty share of the losses with the players because they're

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<v Speaker 1>taking physical risk. And the owners can make it up

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<v Speaker 1>in the future by just making different business decisions next

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<v Speaker 1>year and they could have expansion a couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>from now where they could have a billion dollar franchise

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<v Speaker 1>bee and make themselves hold a significant way. So the

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<v Speaker 1>middle ground is get off of the pro rated salaries,

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<v Speaker 1>but the owners are not going to get a twenty

0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:54.400
<v Speaker 1>percent twenty percent split of the forty percent loss. It's

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:58.440
<v Speaker 1>going to be players take a ten percent reduction in

0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:00.840
<v Speaker 1>your pro rated salary, but you're going to have to

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.480
<v Speaker 1>defer some of that money and it will be paid

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<v Speaker 1>contingent upon whether we have the playoffs or not. And

0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:11.439
<v Speaker 1>if we get there, you get the full share of

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:13.800
<v Speaker 1>a ten percent pay cut off your poor raded salary.

0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:16.399
<v Speaker 1>We make a deal, we move on. I wonder about

0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:19.479
<v Speaker 1>this looking back on the NFL deal that the owners

0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 1>in players struck, and what I thought the Players Association

0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 1>did brilliantly was play to the guys that aren't making

0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money, We're going to get you benefits here. Therefore,

0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 1>they were going to get the votes they needed to

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<v Speaker 1>have this pass. You have the haves and the have nots,

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<v Speaker 1>and it feels like Mike Trout or Max scherzor those

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:42.199
<v Speaker 1>guys are taking the biggest financial haircut, whereas it feels

0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:44.800
<v Speaker 1>like the owners or the commissioners playing to the guys

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:47.719
<v Speaker 1>who are making minimum here, like these guys have to

0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:51.280
<v Speaker 1>come back, Mike Trout or Max Scherzer, they don't have

0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 1>to come back. Is there going to be a war

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:57.720
<v Speaker 1>between the haves and the have nots inside the Players Association? Right?

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:00.000
<v Speaker 1>So you're one hundred percent right now. I don't believe

0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:03.800
<v Speaker 1>that that was the owner's purpose in their offer to

0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.480
<v Speaker 1>split the union, but it could have been a residual

0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.359
<v Speaker 1>impact of it now, and it could backfire on them

0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 1>because sixty five percent of the players make between the

0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:17.199
<v Speaker 1>minimum salary and one million dollars. Those players, under the

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 1>owner's proposal will play half the season fifty percent of

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:25.359
<v Speaker 1>the season, and get forty six percent of their pay.

0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 1>They're not damaged that significantly. A guy like Mike Trout

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:33.119
<v Speaker 1>is going to play half the season and get twenty

0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:35.800
<v Speaker 1>two percent of his pay, and so that feels there's

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.480
<v Speaker 1>like an injustice there. But sixty five percent of the

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.720
<v Speaker 1>players are pretty safe. I gotta tell you, I think

0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 1>the players are more tightly united than what the owners

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 1>gave them credit for. Now. I know you've got a

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:48.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of guys out there talking and they may not

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 1>be as united from their leadership to contain themselves, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's any player that's going to look

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<v Speaker 1>at Mike Trout and say, yeah, you're thirty six million

0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 1>should turn into seven million this year, and you should

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 1>take the bulk of the payback to the owners and

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:04.399
<v Speaker 1>all of this and so I think there's going to

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:06.680
<v Speaker 1>have to be a reek. That's why I think the

0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:11.160
<v Speaker 1>players response to the owners proposal will be like, yeah,

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 1>that's a nice offer. We don't care anything about that.

0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:16.439
<v Speaker 1>Our counter proposal is not going to work off of

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:19.600
<v Speaker 1>your system, your format, your structure. We're going to come

0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 1>at you completely differently with our proposal. Yeah, but I'm

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:26.560
<v Speaker 1>concerned about We're talking to Steve Phillips, host of MLB

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Radio Network on Serious six. I'm concerned about when you

0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 1>start to look at this with guys wanting to come back.

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:36.080
<v Speaker 1>This is a star driven league. I mean, we do

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 1>show up for Clayton Kershaw or you know, Aaron Judge

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:42.960
<v Speaker 1>or Mike Trout if they're not coming back, the guys

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:45.679
<v Speaker 1>who make all this money. Are people going to be

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:47.879
<v Speaker 1>that starved to say, hey, I'm okay with watching the

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Phillies without Bryce Harper here. Did they run the risk

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 1>of that, Steve, Yeah, I think they do. I think

0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 1>the risk. I think the risk exists. And yet, you know,

0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 1>and the other for other reasons, they still might make it.

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Some players might not play Mike Trout's wife's expecting a baby,

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 1>and the notion of you know, does he put himself

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 1>at risk and his wife and baby at risk. Garrett

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Cole's wife's expecting a baby. They're the two highest paid

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 1>guys out there, So that does I think players will play,

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:16.320
<v Speaker 1>And if they don't, I think I still think it's

0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 1>compelling enough product that you're going to get players to

0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:21.120
<v Speaker 1>show up and play if fans are gonna watch, because

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>we're desperate, We're desperate to be able to watch some

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.480
<v Speaker 1>live sports here in the States. Yeah, I just wonder

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 1>how this goes horribly wrong. And baseball has to know

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 1>its place in the sports society, this sports landscape here,

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>and I think that that it feels tenure with Steve.

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:41.159
<v Speaker 1>It does look and I think that this negotiation is

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.400
<v Speaker 1>not exclusive about to the twenty twenty season. We've got

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:46.680
<v Speaker 1>a collective bargaining agreement that's due to expire at the

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 1>end of twenty twenty one. That's just on the horizon

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>if and there's a high level of distrust, which I

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:54.359
<v Speaker 1>thought we had made up a lot of ground with

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 1>labor Piece for a long period of time. But man,

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 1>we went right back to the hat fields and McCoy's here.

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it has gotten ugly right out of the

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.920
<v Speaker 1>get go, and the players don't trust the owners numbers.

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 1>When the owners say it's going to cost us forty percent,

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:08.879
<v Speaker 1>the players like, okay, let's show us the books. And

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.199
<v Speaker 1>the owners have never just shown the books. Now, the

0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:14.000
<v Speaker 1>owners may be telling the truth that it's forty percent

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:16.679
<v Speaker 1>of their revenues, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's going

0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:19.399
<v Speaker 1>to be a forty percent loss, because some part of

0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 1>that forty percent might be coming out of some of

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the profits that they were making, and so it might

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>turn in a forty percent loss of revenue, might be

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>a twenty percent loss this year, And so the players.

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.119
<v Speaker 1>Max Scherzer came out and said, we're not coming off

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>pro rated numbers unless you show us the books. If

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 1>you show us the books, we'll make it public and

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 1>then we'll go along with it. And he thinks the

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 1>reason the owners don't want to do it is that

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 1>they're telling a difference. So I gotta tell you that, damn.

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Having been in the front office for thirteen years, I

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>never saw the second set of books. If there's two

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:48.240
<v Speaker 1>sets of books. The way we set it up with

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>the Mets was we did we set up the break even.

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>We projected revenues work backwards off of that as to

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 1>what payroll could be, minor league expenses, scouting expenses, and

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:00.960
<v Speaker 1>set up the break even if we one, and what

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 1>in the playoffs we made money if we lost, and

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 1>we were losing money, we traded guys in the deadline

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>trying to get back to break even. There wasn't this

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:11.400
<v Speaker 1>secret set of books with the super sauce somewhere that

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>they're hiding money. I never saw it if there were

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>those set of books. You of course were the gym

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 1>with the Mets with the Bobby Bania deal, And I'm wondering,

0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 1>as I think it allowed you guys to sign Mike Hampton.

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Is that fair to say freed up some money? But

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>if you look back on that deal, would you make

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:32.080
<v Speaker 1>that deal again with Bobby Bania? Yeah? So, so I

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 1>remember we were releasing Bobby Bonilla, and ownership said, you

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:41.360
<v Speaker 1>know that that his group, his his agency had represented

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Darryl Strawberry back in the day where they had done

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 1>deferred compensation and but he people don't know this. When

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>he first signed with the Mets the first time around,

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 1>he had deferred compensation with them too. He still gets

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 1>some payments from that first deal he made with the

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Mets deferred compensation. And so you know, here's the thought

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 1>on that though, was the Mets looked at it at

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:05.840
<v Speaker 1>time is we had Bernie Madeoff as an investment vehicle.

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 1>So the Mets looked at deferring Bonia's compensation as a

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 1>way for the team to make money. That they were

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>going to take his I think it six point eight

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>million or whatever that number was, release him and then

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 1>invest that money with Madeoff and put it out for

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 1>ten years not paying Bunie anything, and then spread it

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 1>out over twenty five years of payments of equal payments.

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 1>And so I would just all, hey, Givothy the County

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Department the crunch numbers, and if made Off return this

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 1>percentage or that percentage of that percentage, how much money

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>would you make on Bonia's money? And the notion was

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 1>that we had a chance to make millions on his deal,

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>even with the payout for Bonilla over that period of time.

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 1>And so quite honestly, it was turning what was a

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.240
<v Speaker 1>loss of six point eight million in a single year

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>of releasing him into what would be a win in

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 1>a financial windfall for the organization because of the Madeoff investments.

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Did you invest in made off. You know what's funny.

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I actually you know, one time was suggested, say, you know,

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:08.239
<v Speaker 1>you get some money saved up, we can maybe get

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 1>you an account with Bernie. And I asked the question,

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>what makes him better than everybody else? Like why is?

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Why is he better? Like why don't people just look

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 1>at what he's doing and other people sort of copy

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 1>his investments and do it. And what I was told

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 1>was he keeps everything really close to the vest obviously, uh,

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 1>and and that I but here's the thing, like Fred Wilpon.

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, once Fred Wilpon vetted you, he loved you,

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>and like I was, I was in that group like

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 1>he like I was one of his people that he

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 1>really treated me with love and respect. And Bernie was

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.560
<v Speaker 1>a friend of his. That's why Fred had no idea

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:46.480
<v Speaker 1>because when they had me go and have the accounting

0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 1>department run the money, they said, you know, if he

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 1>makes what if he loses some money somehere, So they

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 1>did a whole number of iterations on it and ran

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 1>it through the system without any expectation of what the

0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 1>return would be, just knowing that that he was better

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:00.040
<v Speaker 1>than others and they might get a return on it.

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 1>So it was heartbreaking because for the Willponds, knowing Fred,

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 1>it was the relationship. Obviously it lost a lot of money,

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 1>but the relationship and that sort of commitment and connection

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 1>he had was really devastate. Was heartbreaking for me to

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 1>see all of that and go through that from the

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>outside looking in at that point. But the aftershocks of

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 1>that relationship between the will Bonds and Bernie Madoff. Is

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 1>that why the Mets are up for sale or been

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 1>up for sale? You know? I think that by the way,

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I never ended up investing with it at all, so

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 1>I avoided it. But I think that, you know, that's

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 1>certainly was part of where they had been. But you know,

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think sometimes what we see with

0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 1>ownership is the succession plan. Right when when the owner

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 1>gets a little bit older, how do you you know,

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 1>the estate taxes on a franchise. We saw it back

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 1>in the day. I guess with the Robbie family down

0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>to Florida and they're selling the team, and you know,

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:50.520
<v Speaker 1>how do you then pay those taxes on the ownership

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>of it? And so I think that there's some part

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 1>of maybe the planning for a succession plan that's coming

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 1>into it. But you know, here's the thing. If expansion

0:32:57.800 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 1>may be coming, and that may be a way for

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 1>owners to solve their problem. Right put billion dollar expansion

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 1>fees for two new franchises to come in to get

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 1>you to thirty two, which would balance it out. Then

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 1>they can sort of subsidize themselves like they did back

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 1>in the nineties to pay off the collusion payment and

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 1>settlement when they added you know, the Rockies and Marlins

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>back in the day. So so I think that that

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 1>they you may see the Mets hold out a bit.

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 1>If expansion is just around the corner, where are we

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 1>going to expand to? Well, I think Montreal seems like

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 1>a potential place. Portland is a possibility. I think san Antonio.

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know this. San Antonio, what the seventh most

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 1>populated city in the country and one point five million

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 1>in the city. You know. I think that Nashville is

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 1>a place that people are talking about as the possibility.

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 1>Charlotte and the notion is, you know, and there's been

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 1>this thought that Tampa and Oakland need to be resolved first. Right,

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 1>You've got two stadium issues there. The Oakland A's can't

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 1>even pay their rent right now. By the way, one

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 1>point two million dollars have not paid their rent for

0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>this season, but that the thought all along has been

0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 1>you've got to resolve those two before you expand. But

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I think you could find twenty eight owners right now

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 1>who would vote to expand before worrying about what to

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:10.279
<v Speaker 1>do with Tampa Bay and Oakland, if it's going to

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:13.759
<v Speaker 1>generate the expansion fees that could come with it, to

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 1>try to make everybody whole after the suffering financially from

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 1>this pandemic. Great stuff, Steve, I hope you're doing well

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 1>and we appreciate you joining us. Yeah, my pleasure. Thanks

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 1>for having me do. That's Steve Phillips, host of MLB

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<v Speaker 1>email address Dpat Dan Patrick dot com. Let me see

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<v Speaker 1>this from Greg and Baytown, Texas. Just watch the opening

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<v Speaker 1>scene from Sibura. Holy schnikey, So I can see why

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<v Speaker 1>Paully's wife doesn't want to watch. I can see why

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<v Speaker 1>Paully does want to watch. That was on Netflix. It's Siburra.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it says like the Blood of Rome. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Siburrah Blood on Rome. There's a movie a few years

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<v Speaker 1>ago called Siburra. It's a it's their version of like

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<v Speaker 1>a mafia. It's a government, politics, the church, organized crime.

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<v Speaker 1>It's subtitled it's all in Italian, but it's subtitled. The

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<v Speaker 1>first scene was so hardcore. Then my wife goes, nope,

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<v Speaker 1>not for me, and she watches. She watched Breaking Bad,

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<v Speaker 1>and she had no problem with Breaking Bad. Just I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to describe the scene. Sibura. Yeah, not like Sabarro. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that'd be Fritzie's favorite show because I thought, man, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>they got a food court in Rome. It's perfect. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's blood. It's one of those scenes that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not even violent. The first scene it's just so dark

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<v Speaker 1>and cringeworthy. Let's put the way it involves a priest.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in my life goes Nope, no, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, I'm not interested. But it got

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<v Speaker 1>great reviews. It's one of the more popular shows out

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<v Speaker 1>there on Netflix, and it's supposed to be hardcore. Yeah, nope,

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<v Speaker 1>not interested. I was watching reels last night, as I

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<v Speaker 1>always do. They have mobsters, uh you know, episodes, and

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<v Speaker 1>they had it on Murder Incorporated. The the guys who

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<v Speaker 1>started Murder Incorporated back in the thirties, and they, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they decided that the Italians and uh well the Jewish mafia,

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<v Speaker 1>like they all teamed up there like Dutch Shouldson some

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<v Speaker 1>of these other guys, and they just talked about how

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<v Speaker 1>many people they killed all over the United States but

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<v Speaker 1>Murder Incorporated and they all die in the end. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, yes, if you title your company Murder Incorporated,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be a big target with authority. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the irs. The IRS is gonna have a problem. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like a flower show. Murder Murder inc LLC. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you get they're up to something bad. Yeah, imagine the

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<v Speaker 1>IRS would probably question that. Yes, we love getting into

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<v Speaker 1>this now. No, I just watch reels and then it

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<v Speaker 1>reminds me of why I don't like Mafia movies. So

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<v Speaker 1>you watch it and you're like, oh man, thank god,

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<v Speaker 1>none of this is real. Yep, yeah, thank god, this

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<v Speaker 1>is all it is called reels. Yes, Todd, were people

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<v Speaker 1>really afraid of Abe the Menorah Goldstein back in the

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<v Speaker 1>day with the thirties of Jewish mobsters. Hard to envision

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<v Speaker 1>that there was nobody called Abe Menorah Goldstein or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you question, Mark, I can't believe you have like Frankie

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, two fingers maloney or whatever. I figured

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<v Speaker 1>that might be here, you know, Yes, I can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm diving into this with this idiot here. But Mayer

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<v Speaker 1>Lance he's like the third most famous mobster of all time,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was Jewish. Everybody knows that. And I has

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<v Speaker 1>no idea who Maer Lance him? In Roth and Godfather

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<v Speaker 1>one and two Lansky there was some powerful Jewish. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all of like all the ethnic groups in Lower New York.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all nice Jewish boys. They don't do these kind

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<v Speaker 1>of things. They were in uh Brownsville, I think, is

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<v Speaker 1>where they had a couple hundred thousand, uh Jewish families,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that's where some of the you know, organized

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<v Speaker 1>crime got started because of prohibition. Yes, Todd, or yes, mclub. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as we're diving is I always found it

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<v Speaker 1>interesting that Todd's dad was a Jewish cop, Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>named Fritz, which is not a Jewish name, a German.

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<v Speaker 1>Still have a tough time believing that someone from my

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<v Speaker 1>family would do something that's courageous, to put their life

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<v Speaker 1>on the light every day. I don't know how he

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<v Speaker 1>got some different genes that I didn't get. Obviously a

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<v Speaker 1>tough place to be a cop to New York City, Brooklyn, right, Yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I used to work at the old Yankee Stadium and

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<v Speaker 1>he was right there in the Bronx Brooklyn. Yeah. My

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<v Speaker 1>dad was an ironworker. He worked on high rise building

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<v Speaker 1>specific this is and let's compare our I'm comparing how

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<v Speaker 1>soft I am. Like the idea of being over two

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<v Speaker 1>floors working outside on a building scares the hell out

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<v Speaker 1>of me. I mean, I think we're all scared of

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<v Speaker 1>heights at some point. But that's just it's funny how

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<v Speaker 1>different you could be from your dad. My dad was

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<v Speaker 1>a computer science guy, and you can't work your computer,

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<v Speaker 1>and I am not good at computers. They really make

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<v Speaker 1>me nervous. My dad is a history teacher and I

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<v Speaker 1>was terrible at school. Go figure McLevin. My dad was

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<v Speaker 1>a hostel grocer. I got nothing. Great guy, probably watching

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Oh yeah, we love your parents. They're great.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of phone calls here Luca in Baltimore. Hey Luca,

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Dan, thank you for taking my call. A long

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<v Speaker 1>time listener. I just wanted to say that the Sabora series.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched it. I think it's absolutely worth the time.

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<v Speaker 1>As an aside, I actually grew up in Italy, so

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I've watched all of the different Mafia movies

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<v Speaker 1>under a different lens. But I'll say that the series

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<v Speaker 1>might not have the same glamour and maybe romanticized aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of it, it gives a really good look into what

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<v Speaker 1>the Mafia has evolved into. And on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a suggestion for a similar series, Zero zero zero.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that's an Amazon Prime and that is off

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<v Speaker 1>of a book. Again, similar series about the modern spin

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<v Speaker 1>of the Mafia. So I think, yeah, we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about that earlier Luca, prior to the show, because Pauli's like,

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<v Speaker 1>do I go zero zero zero or Suburra, and he

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<v Speaker 1>chose Suburra, but zero zero zero, I guess got good reviews.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Amazon Prime. Yeah, that's a combination of like a

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican drug cartel and the setup of that TV show

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<v Speaker 1>is a big load of cocaine gets smuggled out of

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico to Italy and then there's an international war. Yes

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<v Speaker 1>with club, I've seen it. It's way too hardcore. You

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<v Speaker 1>will hate it. It's way too far. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>is that even close to whatever the line of decency is?

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<v Speaker 1>And Gabriel Burns did it though? I like him. Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>and Milwaukee. Hi, Jeff, what's on your mind? Hey? Great show.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always got Fritzie Ramblin, got Jerry West coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's he's one of my favorite guests. As you have.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody gets as much out of guests as you, from

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry West to Kolbe to even Urban Meyer, who's on

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<v Speaker 1>your Monte Rushmore a guest as you have. Well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>too tough to say, Jeff, because it tends to fluctuate.

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<v Speaker 1>It's strange. Who did we say the other day? Is

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Webber is one of my favorite guests. He just

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<v Speaker 1>tells stories. I think it comes down to, is somebody

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to tell you something that you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know or entertain your audience because I'm just a conduit.

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<v Speaker 1>When we have people on, I want to get the information.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Steve Phillips, I wanted him to give you information

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<v Speaker 1>so you know what's going on in the baseball situation.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they can tell you stories, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie Madoff story of the Mets investing the Bobby Benia money,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was interesting there. But Guss have been so

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<v Speaker 1>many guests. We've been so fortunate down through the years,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of my faves is Jerry West. Joan is

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<v Speaker 1>coming up in about twenty five minutes from now. Dan

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<v Speaker 1>and The Dan at Stan Patrick Show.