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Speaker 1: Also media, Welcome to ikadath here a podcast re union.

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Speaker 2: Good and not everything that is called co op is good.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they're not actually really co ops. I am your host,

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Speaker 2: Mia Long, and today we are joined by the people

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Speaker 2: struggling under the tyrannical fist of a co op, a

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Speaker 2: thing that shouldn't be possible and yet somehow. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so we are. We're talking today with Es and Finley,

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Speaker 2: who are booksellers at the Seminary co Op in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, we are welcoming the union back to the show.

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Speaker 2: And dear God, what a disaster.

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Speaker 3: What a year at a spen.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's really great to be found. I wish we

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Speaker 4: were back with slightly better news or yeah, since we

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Speaker 4: were last here. Certainly, yeah, because when we last spoke,

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Speaker 4: we had just sort of theatrically announced to art management

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Speaker 4: that we were in an organized shop with the IWW

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Speaker 4: and we were going to be bargaining with them for

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Speaker 4: better wages and humane working conditions for us all. And

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Speaker 4: they were like, yeah, you're a union, we so recognize that,

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Speaker 4: and then they have sat on their hands ever since.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's roll back all the way to the

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Speaker 2: beginning and explain a little bit about what the Seminary

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Speaker 2: co Op is for people who weren't here. How many

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Speaker 2: years ago.

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Speaker 3: Was that though, that must have been last year. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was a while ago. I don't go yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: So the Seminary ca Op is a set of two

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Speaker 4: bookstores in Hyde Park, the Seminary co Op Bookstore, which

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Speaker 4: is a misnomer on two out of free counts. It's

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Speaker 4: not a seminary anym it's not a co op anymore.

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Speaker 4: It is still a bookstore, although it is not for

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Speaker 4: profit bookstore, which is a mysterious category of business that

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Speaker 4: doesn't exist anywhere else.

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Speaker 2: Baffling.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, briefly, just to enerject, I do think when I

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Speaker 5: would announce events and sort of give this exact breakdown

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Speaker 5: for audiences, like I said, not for profit bookstore whose

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Speaker 5: mission is book selling, right, And when I was hired

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Speaker 5: of like about three months before we announced we were unionizing,

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Speaker 5: the way it was put to me was other not

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Speaker 5: for profit bookstores they do a lot with like family

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Speaker 5: literacy or like specifically around women's issues.

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Speaker 3: But that was just.

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Speaker 5: Like an acknowledgement of the reality that bookstores don't make

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Speaker 5: a whole lot of money and what we are providing

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Speaker 5: is a not for profit bookstore is just the browsing experience.

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Speaker 5: We kept books on shelves for too long. It just

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Speaker 5: it seemed like a like a really romantic idea.

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Speaker 3: Of book selling that didn't have like a whole lot

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Speaker 3: of legs underneath it, so to speak. Yeah, so it

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Speaker 3: is nonsense, I would say, but that's me.

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Speaker 2: It's just a library, like we have this, it's called librarries.

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Speaker 3: Say they're a really big bookstore. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: It was vague, yeah, baffling, baffling, yes, yeah, And then

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Speaker 6: I guess I guess the second part of it is

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Speaker 6: like when they say it's a co op, what does

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Speaker 6: that mean?

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Speaker 4: It means truly and as conspeech is more that it

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Speaker 4: was founded by Chicago Theological Seminary students, and there was

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Speaker 4: a reason for that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like they did want to buy horse books at

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Speaker 5: the at the prices that retailers got them wholesale, And

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Speaker 5: so the thought was, I forget their names, but we

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Speaker 5: have the pictures of them.

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Speaker 3: It was like a Cavanaugh or something. But these two

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Speaker 3: guys just you.

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Speaker 5: Know, if you were a student at Chicago Theological Seminary,

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Speaker 5: we're even like a student at one of the other

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Speaker 5: divinity seminaries nearby.

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Speaker 3: You just put an amount of money and you.

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Speaker 5: Were part of like you got your course book cheaper,

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Speaker 5: you know, and under like a specific manager who came

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Speaker 5: like a couple decades after that, Like then it really

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Speaker 5: became like this is the neighborhood bookstore. This is part

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Speaker 5: of like as they say, like the intellectual sort of

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Speaker 5: cultural life of the university. But yeah, at one point

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Speaker 5: it was a cooperative because like you were a member

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Speaker 5: and you got your course books cheaper because you you know,

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Speaker 5: had a certain amount of shares in the books.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it was a think smarter not harder kind

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Speaker 3: of scheme.

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Speaker 4: And then when they dissolved the like ownership shares and

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Speaker 4: stopped being a co op. That was twenty nineteen when

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Speaker 4: they organized as this not for profit. It's not a

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Speaker 4: five oh one C three, they don't have nonprofit status.

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Speaker 4: It's this slightly different thing. And so one of the

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Speaker 4: one things that has happened in the past year is

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Speaker 4: a nonprofit sponsor who lends its five oh one C

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Speaker 4: three status to other organizations and allows you to take

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Speaker 4: text deductible donations, but like, up to that point, we

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Speaker 4: couldn't do that because we were not a legitimate nonprofit.

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Speaker 3: We were this other thing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So since twenty nineteen it's been that, and then

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Speaker 7: since twenty twenty four, it's been that plus Chicago's standalone

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Speaker 7: unionized bookstore.

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Speaker 3: For now, we're hoping that others follow in Chilah. They will, Yes.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it is not a great sign of

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Speaker 2: your business being a well run when you are doing

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Speaker 2: a thing that like rookie activist campaigns do when they're like,

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Speaker 2: oh shit, we got a bunch of money, we need

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Speaker 2: to borrow someone else's five O one.

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Speaker 8: Three status, Like yeah, great, great.

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Speaker 2: Job management, like but incredible stuff.

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Speaker 5: And like, for me, part of what's been so like

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Speaker 5: just mying boggling is like the not for profit bookstore

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Speaker 5: who's mission is book selling, does sort of give this,

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Speaker 5: you know, if we're like a five oh one C

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Speaker 5: three who often does it. They don't turn a profit

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Speaker 5: or what they do, they reinvest it back into the

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Speaker 5: operations they're doing. But like, and we can talk more

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Speaker 5: about this as we get into like the bargaining, but like,

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Speaker 5: store financials have been so obscured and I hate from

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Speaker 5: like truly, truly hate from a linguistic standpoint, just sort

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Speaker 5: because to me that feels like the rhetoric that really

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Speaker 5: justifies the pack that I'm paid sixteen ninety an hour

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Speaker 5: and I have a Master's of Divinity from the Seminary

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Speaker 5: of the Seminary co Op.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it's and I think it's also worth noting that,

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Speaker 2: like even from the perspective of capital, like all of

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Speaker 2: the giant tech companies didn't make money for like decades,

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Speaker 2: and all those motherfuckers were walking off with like one

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Speaker 2: hundred billion dollar payouts, you know, like they only ever

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Speaker 2: started making money when they started like reeling in a

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Speaker 2: it's just something that makes you really mad where people

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Speaker 2: talk about like running the government like a business and

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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, doesn't what a fucking profit. Uber

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Speaker 2: literally has never brought a profit ever, not once yes,

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Speaker 2: now once right, Like it's like no, like like I'm sorry, welcome,

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Speaker 2: welcome to Welcome to twenty twenty five capitalism, Like companies

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Speaker 2: don't make profits. They either get contact from the government

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Speaker 2: dipshits out of all of their money. Or it's like

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Speaker 2: Peter theal has decided that your like surveillance camera company

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Speaker 2: is ideologically important to him taking over the world, so

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Speaker 2: he's going to give you one billion dollars and it's like,

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Speaker 2: oh no, I'm sorry, Like our financials aren't good enough

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Speaker 2: for you to pay you. It's like, motherfucker, Like have

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Speaker 2: you seen the rest of capitalism, like eat shit, pay.

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Speaker 3: Your workers, Like yeah, oh yeah, God damn well.

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Speaker 4: We keep using that one meme over and over and

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Speaker 4: then it is true, like we're trying to balance the budget.

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Speaker 3: It's the true. The candles drill, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Because our management is so infuriating. And they also in

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Speaker 4: hundred and sixty thousand dollars a year to our knowledge

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Speaker 4: Jesus Christ. And that's the offer that we know of.

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Speaker 4: We have yet to get his contract even though we

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Speaker 4: did make a formal information request for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is fucked. And it's also like yeah, like

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Speaker 2: every time these companies are like, oh, we don't have money,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, I can find like an unbelievable

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Speaker 2: like to give a random, non specific example that has

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with with with any company that is

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Speaker 5: Like this is like they spend three hundred dollars on

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Speaker 5: Google home speakers for fifty seventh Street books and I'm like, wow,

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Speaker 5: my having that three hundred dollars would change my life.

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Speaker 5: But also like you're paying that union busting lawyer thousands

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Speaker 5: that's that's capitalism.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have enough money to make your lives miserable,

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Speaker 2: but they apparently never have enough money to you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's so intentional because making us miserable means

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that feels like just you know, fens leaving.

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Speaker 5: We've also had a number of folks, like our bargaining

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Speaker 5: like twenty five people. Now we're down to eleven, and

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Speaker 5: they've refused to hire anybody part time with full time. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: of course, but they've been giving seasonal workers sort of

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Speaker 5: they don't have to. And because they're seasonal, you know,

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Speaker 5: YadA YadA, they don't really join our union as kind

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Speaker 5: of what I understand why they are not considered eligible.

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Speaker 3: But it's like, the booksellers are the heart of the store.

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Speaker 4: The classification of signal workers and particularly of event runners,

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Speaker 4: has been a point of contention throughout negotiations this whole time,

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Speaker 4: because obviously, from our perspective, we want anyone who's working

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Speaker 4: the union. We want them to not have this random

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Speaker 4: scab force that they can deploy at will. Yeah, And

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Speaker 4: that has always been the point that gets revisited over

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Speaker 4: and over again. Just when we think we've gotten them,

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Speaker 4: longer eligible to join your union. But they did just

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Speaker 4: hire I think three people that they were training at

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Speaker 4: fifty seventh Street last week, but they've made no formal

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I only know that they were like in the stores

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Speaker 4: because one of them came to the co op by

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Speaker 4: mistake instead of fifty seventh Street and was like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm one of the hires.

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Speaker 4: And so it's unclear if those are the seasonal workers

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Speaker 5: Those are I'll say the most recent member, like part time,

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Speaker 5: full time member of our staff who's not me. None

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Speaker 5: And like there have been events for like it's been

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Speaker 5: effectively union investing employees at Experimental Station on sixty first

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Speaker 5: clear that like this governing board which does govern, they

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Speaker 4: And I can clear up a little bit of that

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Speaker 4: primarily to advise and supervise and hire the executive director

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Speaker 4: Like they're all significant donors. That's part of the way

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Speaker 4: to the stores. But then, at least according to them,

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Speaker 4: from that point forward, they have no managerial oversight over

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Speaker 4: They don't make any decisions about the budget, they don't

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Speaker 4: get involved, they don't want to be involved. And they

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Speaker 3: This is bonkers.

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Speaker 4: That is to say that somehow that experience did not

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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, is this an institution that people like it

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Speaker 2: would be helpful to put pressure.

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Speaker 4: On or that's what It's hard to say because there's

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Speaker 4: and they have repeatedly refused those invitations, requests, demands, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems.

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Speaker 4: Their involvement has been to recommend that our management hired

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Speaker 2: And that is about as much as they want to do.

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Speaker 5: And I think there was supposed to be a board

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Speaker 5: that information, the next day a board member, the president

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And then we said this is not what we

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Speaker 2: Let's get more formally into like what the marketing process

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you were just so well informed, yes,

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Speaker 4: make some reference to like a financial decision that we

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Speaker 4: were trying to bargain about, being like not their choice

441
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 4: and being something that would be up to the board,

442
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 4: and we'd be like, so take it to the board,

443
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 4: and then we'd be like okay, and then we would

444
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Speaker 4: never hear anything about it ever.

445
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 2: Again, incredible, incredible work. Seems like a great tactic to

446
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: never address anything you're supposed to be addressing.

447
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 4: And so the way that we were negotiating, we were

448
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 4: trying to come to terms on things that didn't affect

449
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 4: the finances of the store first so that we could

450
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 4: land some easy wins and like feel like we were

451
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 4: making progress and then address the stuff that we expected

452
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Speaker 4: to be thorny or later.

453
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Speaker 3: But then what that ended up.

454
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Speaker 4: Being as meetings went on and on was them asking

455
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 4: us constantly like, but what is it that you guys

456
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 4: really are like prioritizing, Like what is the thing that

457
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 4: matters the most to you that like you have the

458
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 4: least give on And we're like, it's wages. You know,

459
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 4: it's wages.

460
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: It's been waites this whole time.

461
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 4: And they're like, but like, what if we were like

462
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 4: asking you to give up all your benefits to get

463
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 4: wa It's just.

464
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 3: That you want.

465
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 4: And we were like, Okay, that's not how negotiating works.

466
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 4: And then, in an email that labeled it their best

467
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 4: and final offer, which is language that they have yet

468
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 4: to take back, they sent us a version of the

469
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Speaker 4: contract bargaining agreement that we hey, let me just back

470
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 4: up for a second. When we first started negotiating, they

471
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 4: asked us to draft the entire first draft of the

472
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Speaker 4: collective Bargaining Agreement ourselves, what which is incredible well standard,

473
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 4: and we were like, that's fine because that gives us

474
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Speaker 4: a leg up in terms of like studying the initial terms.

475
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Speaker 3: I guess we'll do it.

476
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Speaker 4: But like, yeah, incredibly nonstandards, super stupid, not that we

477
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 4: should have had to do.

478
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never heard of that before.

479
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 4: But so when we drafted it, we drafted a three

480
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 4: year term collective Bargaining Agreement with a bunch of stuff

481
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 4: about procedure and wages and benefits that we wanted done.

482
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 4: And so zooming back forward to that best and final offer,

483
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 4: suddenly the draft that they've sent us back of the

484
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 4: Collective Bargaining Agreement is.

485
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Speaker 3: A two year term.

486
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Speaker 4: And up to this point, all of the offers that

487
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 4: had gotten anything close to our ask on wages were

488
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 4: in year three, and everything in year one and two

489
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 4: was still like twenty five cents fifty cents increases. And

490
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Speaker 4: so suddenly year three, which was always the only year

491
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 4: that made any improvements for us, is gone, and you

492
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 4: did not improve any other parts of the contract to

493
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Speaker 4: make up for that unilateral decision.

494
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Speaker 2: So that's just progressive bargaining yeah, it is. It is,

495
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 2: which by the way, okay, do you want to explain

496
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: to our dear listeners what regressive bargaining is and why

497
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to do it?

498
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

499
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 4: Regressive bargaining is a dirty negotiation tactic where one side,

500
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 4: without making any sort of give and take concessions like

501
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 4: they should to balance a big move, just unilaterally decides

502
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 4: to change a term, especially a large term like wages,

503
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 4: contract term, et cetera. And so it is taking something

504
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 4: that has been tentatively agreed upon and like in good

505
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: faith taken as a part of the contract that will stand,

506
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 4: and acting it.

507
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you are not allowed to do this. This

508
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: is this is under the under the terms, under the

509
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: terms of the National Labor Relations Act, which you know,

510
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: who knows. But by the time this episode goes out,

511
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 2: there is a small chance it won't exist anymore. A

512
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: bunch of provisions of it are under attacked right now.

513
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 4: But like that is, we have a few unfair labor

514
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 4: practices filed with the NLRB since the terms of negotiation

515
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 4: have been in effect, and they are not in fact

516
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 4: progressive bargaining charges but issues of status quo where they're

517
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 4: trying to change the way that they do scheduling, change

518
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 4: the way that they do like absence discipline.

519
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: Which are topics that are covered in.

520
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 4: Bargaining and should only be changed in bargaining while bargaining

521
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 4: is active. But they're trying to change them and then

522
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 4: say that these have been the policies all along, and so.

523
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: God literally gaslighting. Yeah, like actual, actual, straight up. You

524
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: could pick up the gap the psychologue the psychology textbook

525
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 2: plight to it, like.

526
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, just pick up that whole lamp and we

527
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 4: have their words in writing of every step of the

528
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 4: way where you can see the language change and be like, no,

529
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 4: you are the person who said before that it was

530
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 4: this other thing that was you. Yeah, So we filed

531
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 4: unfair labor practice about those things, and you can in

532
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 4: fact not track them anymore because since the government shut down,

533
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 4: you can find a little pdf that explains, yep, that

534
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 4: all ulps are going to be pending indefinitely, and that

535
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: is all you can find.

536
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also fun because Trump I legally fired

537
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: one of the Democratic people on it. So you don't

538
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: have a korum any on the board of the National

539
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: Relations Boys. They don't have a korum anymore, which is

540
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: a shit show and snaking any NLRB like attempt to

541
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: get anything done to the NLRB really annoying.

542
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I think the direct action has been helpful,

543
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 11: where like just that reality would just they just it

544
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 11: would drive me crazy.

545
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 3: And it is.

546
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 5: It is gaslighting. This is traumatizing. If your boyfriend does

547
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 5: it to you, it's a red flag. But when your

548
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 5: boss does it to you, you know, it's like, yeah,

549
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 5: the public's fine with it. Business, Yeah, it's acrost the business. Yeah,

550
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 5: it is just the continuous, non stop onslaught of regressive

551
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 5: bargaining tactics that like from the minute we started, despite

552
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 5: the fact that like I was sitting next to the

553
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 5: director when we said reunionizing, it was like a split

554
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 5: second before she said, yep, we recognize it. And so

555
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 5: our direct action at the workstoppage. I remember our first

556
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 5: work stop and he sat for half an hour. Management

557
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 5: was very cool with that. The second time we did it,

558
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 5: we did it for an hour. We should have done

559
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 5: our homework better because we didn't know that you can't,

560
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 5: like like leaf live it on store property because he

561
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 5: us Chicago is our landlord and kind of like not

562
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 5: store property. But I put on my clerical collar. I

563
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 5: put on a T shirt that had like given to Caesar,

564
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 5: what is Caesar's and also like a little footnote.

565
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: About you know, run me my money.

566
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Speaker 5: You know there's a lot obvious instruction from Jesus out

567
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 5: of Luke that's like pay the work or their wages.

568
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,239
Speaker 5: But I was wearing my clerical car. I set up

569
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 5: the PA and I and I was loud. There was

570
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 5: a Hyde Park Harold reporter who you know took my

571
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 5: comment who I remember him walking over to Nien and

572
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 5: I I think asking her for her comment. I had

573
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 5: a bluetooth speaker that was Dan's right playing never never

574
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 5: fight a man with a perm by idols and I

575
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 5: will not forget. I will not forget the way our

576
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 5: the deputy director approached me, She was like, Okay, this

577
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 5: is fine, this is all fine. I just want to

578
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 5: let you know this is fine, but can you please

579
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 5: turn the music off. And it took me about twenty

580
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 5: minutes to just turn the buttons down slowly, But like

581
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 5: that we were reprimanded.

582
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a very very email the next day

583
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 4: left illustrating what the consequences would be if we tried

584
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 4: to do a similar action again.

585
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 5: In that manner, and so we picketed outside their store.

586
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 5: That was the next direct action that we did. But

587
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 5: like I do think our most impactful direct actions have

588
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 5: been the ones that have been noisy, that have been

589
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 5: incredibly visible. When we picketed last it was on the

590
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 5: first day of classes. We sell like a lot of

591
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 5: core core course books for the college at the university,

592
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 5: and so there were students. It's like that we were like, hey,

593
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 5: do you have the bookseller who sold you that book

594
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 5: to have a living wage? And students like nineteen year

595
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 5: olds are so outraged by the amount of money I

596
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 5: make as a grown person.

597
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: I heard so much eat the rich that day from

598
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: sillennials Kell Yeah, hell yeah.

599
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 5: But it is clear that when the public is made

600
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 5: aware of what's happening at a store that a lot

601
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 5: of people love just so much, like it is a

602
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 5: part of the community, and I think so much a

603
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 5: part of people's even like my own before I work there.

604
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 5: Our experience of being in this fight knit bizarre community

605
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 5: and folks.

606
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: Are upset like they and I think rightfully so.

607
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 5: And that's just I think, really the beauty of direct

608
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 5: action is not just that it empowers us, but it

609
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 5: really just like in a sort of spectacle way, says

610
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 5: this is what this is what they're doing. You want

611
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 5: a place that you love to run this way and

612
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 5: to treat people like this.

613
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: So and I think they're really effective for that reason,

614
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 4: especially because people are really like on our side when

615
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 4: they talk to us, but they're also really surprised because like,

616
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 4: part of the instant recognition thing, part of the being

617
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 4: cool with us having union buttons on the register, part

618
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 4: of all of that is the fact that management is

619
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: benefiting from the illusion that they're on good terms with us.

620
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 4: And so like one of the reasons that we held

621
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 4: that picket was to be like, hey, just because they

622
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: are not stopping us, does not mean they have done

623
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: anything to improve the material conditions that we have been

624
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 4: organizing around this whole time.

625
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

626
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 2: Well, and also to be incredibly clear about this, like

627
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: it's so obvious it has to actually directly be stated,

628
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: which is that all of the things they are doing

629
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 2: our union busting tactics, because their strategy here is to

630
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: do a recognition and then go for the second place

631
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: where unions most commonly collapse, which is once you're recognized

632
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: as as a bargaining The second place they fail is

633
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: getting the first contract and that that's what they're really

634
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: obvious trying to do. And yeah, the fact that people

635
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: don't understand that they're just running a thing that like

636
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of how to even describe it.

637
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: Was like like that bookstore was like like it was

638
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: treated as like something that was as an institution that

639
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: was like part of the university. That's like the way

640
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: it was like treated culturally was this is like our thing,

641
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: and these people are running it into the ground because

642
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: they don't want to pay their workers like enough money

643
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: to survive.

644
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 4: It's is just hideous and that's really all it comes

645
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 4: down too when you look at what the facts on

646
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: the ground are is the decisions that they are making

647
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 4: are directly tied to the fact that they feel like

648
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 4: they have no money, which is directly to the fact

649
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 4: that they are paying the executive director too much, which

650
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 4: is directly died to the fact that they want to

651
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 4: have an excuse to not pay us anything.

652
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like, oh, wow, we don't have enough

653
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: money because we're spending like one hundred and sixty thousand

654
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: dollars on an executive director. Have you considered you can

655
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: simply eliminate the entire expense by turning this into an

656
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: actual co op. You could do it in like one day,

657
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: and you suddenly would not have the administration expenses because

658
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: those people wouldn't it be there. You could do this

659
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: really easily.

660
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 4: Oh well, And as the like movement in and out

661
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Speaker 4: of that position over the past year demonstrates, it has

662
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Speaker 4: no effect on the operations the bookstore.

663
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Speaker 3: The thing that has any.

664
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Speaker 4: Effect on the operations of the bookstore is the fact

665
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 4: that seven people have left, not been replaced, and all

666
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 4: of their work has been redistributed across like increasingly siloed

667
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 4: positions to the people who are left, so that you

668
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: have no help on your particular assigned task that is

669
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 4: now your seniors alone, and you just feel terrible in

670
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 4: your little hole by yourself, which which there's is something like.

671
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: I know for a fact that like multiple people on

672
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: that board know what a speed up is, Like that's

673
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: that's a speed up. I know for a fact that

674
00:34:58,719 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: you know what this.

675
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 4: Is, and most of them who know what it is

676
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: have written against them.

677
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, just kind of like expanding a bit larger.

678
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 5: The staff at the Museum of Science and Industry has

679
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 5: also unionized and they were outside of their store, you know,

680
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 5: threatening to strike, and so like I loved on the

681
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 5: picket line, like I had a sign that said fire Jenny,

682
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 5: and I went to explain.

683
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 4: To the U.

684
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to explain to the UI employee who

685
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 5: Jenny was. The UI employee who worked at the Graduate

686
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 5: Students United at Chicago, and she went, oh, I know

687
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 5: who Jenny is, and that's I don't know, just yeah,

688
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 5: it's sick that like somebody can make their living making

689
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 5: my life worse than a's that's capitalism.

690
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: And also be like she has been involved that lawyer

691
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: and like a number of like she busting trying.

692
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 5: To bust unions at U Chicago unsuccessfully and also representing

693
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 5: Northwestern in a case where one of their employees accused

694
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 5: them of sexual harassment and discrimination. You know.

695
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: So it's like you're you're really.

696
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 5: This, this is this is the person that you're working with.

697
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 5: This is the tool that you're using, you know, is

698
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 5: it too you would rather pay?

699
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

700
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And it's also it's like that that that's

701
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: the thing where this this whole metaphor of like the

702
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: boss acting as an abusive partner is suddenly getting very

703
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: literal in terms of who they're who are the people

704
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: that they are employing do for their other ship, which

705
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: is defending those people. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's

706
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: almost like there's a structural connection between management and patriarchy. Wow,

707
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 2: who could possibly who could possibly have done this?

708
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: Between systems of abuse?

709
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, like who could possibly have written about this? Check's notes?

710
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: Looks at the books that were written by the members

711
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 2: of the board.

712
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, yeah, I'm so.

713
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: Mad about this, Like we'll niking after Empire is really good?

714
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 3: It is?

715
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I like, I don't know how much I

716
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 5: can like hold those individual members responsible and it seems

717
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 5: like so many of them are like.

718
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: Just now finding out about it. Yeah, that's some abuse.

719
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 5: One O One is to make sure that the person

720
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 5: that you are exploiting, that you were, you know, taking

721
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 5: advantage of that they don't feel like they can say

722
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 5: to people who could help them, this is what's happening

723
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 5: to me, and that like the people who would be sympathetic,

724
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 5: could you know, go and take the initiative to help folks?

725
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 5: And ungrateful that we have a meeting with Robert Peters

726
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 5: coming up soon. It was supposed to happen that has

727
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 5: not yet, and I appreciate how dedicated he is and

728
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 5: his staff is to making sure that our union sits

729
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 5: down and talks with him.

730
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: But it is also like there's a deep irony for

731
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 4: him accepting an award from another union and rescheduling a

732
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 4: meeting with.

733
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Speaker 2: Ourskay do it?

734
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, it's because we have Jacob. I always

735
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 3: say it incorrectly asked me. Yeah, the BigInt. But that's

736
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: also like part of the other great community support.

737
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 5: Like I mentioned that UE employee, but you know, there

738
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 5: are other union employees who just because they love the

739
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 5: bookstore so much, we'll.

740
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 3: Show up to every outreach to that that we have.

741
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 5: He was one of the first people to have a

742
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 5: yard sign, and it's funny he was right next to

743
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 5: this guy from my church who also has a window sign,

744
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 5: and that's why I found out they were neighbors.

745
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really cute.

746
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 5: But like, I'm proud that we're Wobbles because there is

747
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 5: a really long tradition of you know, being in Chicago,

748
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 5: a lot of radical organizing that I think fits our

749
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 5: spirit and also like the seminary co op spirit. It

750
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 5: has been hard that we don't have a lot of

751
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 5: resources towards bargaining, but like we're good at direct action

752
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 5: and we also have I'll give it the ask Me award.

753
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 5: I'll give it a pass because Jacob's been so and

754
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 5: other community members have been so helpful and just giving

755
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 5: their time and their skills and their expertise.

756
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, the MSI Union, the Grad Students' Union

757
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 4: in particular, have been incredible allies to us and have

758
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 4: been they were huge like presences on our picket because like,

759
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 4: because we did an open store running picket, we have

760
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: had only about half of our actual union members available

761
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 4: because everyone else had to be on desks in the

762
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 4: stores keeping them running. And so the majority of the

763
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 4: people who were like collecting signatures to get Jenny Goltz

764
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 4: fired and otherwise improve our wardening conditions were people from

765
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: other unions who were just out there being wonderful, awesome,

766
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 4: solid orgy with us.

767
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

768
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: So my first picket line, I mean, I think I

769
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: made it last EPs, but my first picket line ever

770
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: was the grad student picket line in twenty nineteen. Those

771
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: those are the first time I was ever on a

772
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: picket and it rocks.

773
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, and yeah, it.

774
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: Makes it really happy to see that the whole base

775
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: of sort of union organizing from that has like you know,

776
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 2: it's it's this thing that like I remember when this was,

777
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: like you know, like I was there and like one

778
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: of the big pushes and everyone they finally won, and

779
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: it's like they're still around helping people because workers, workers

780
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 2: fucking fight together and.

781
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 4: Well and then they'll always be like, hey, one thing

782
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 4: that we know about Jenny GOLs is she likes to lose, and.

783
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 3: We're like, thanks, thank you.

784
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 5: Then it's not that she likes to use the quotea

785
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 5: is she's very good at losing, which that's true.

786
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 3: Even better, even better.

787
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, And like what you were saying about Gsu, I

788
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 5: don't remember what I think Like two thousand and eight,

789
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 5: two thousand and seven was like when they said we

790
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 5: starting organizing for unionizing the graduate students. I had a

791
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 5: roommate who was like a twelve year PhD student who

792
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 5: was around when that shit started. You can just count

793
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 5: hanging out with your wife in Australia as a field research,

794
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 5: I guess, But well, she's just doing postdocs. You're just

795
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 5: hanging out. But we had a baby yesterday anyway.

796
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: Oh but yeah, like I was around.

797
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 5: He came back to finish his PhD, like about the

798
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 5: time like when the contract was ratified, and I just

799
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 5: with what is it, sixteen seventeen months of bargaining no

800
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 5: contract in the name of my blessed Lord Jesus Christ.

801
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: Like Jesus Christ.

802
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 5: GSU has had, like has such a wealth of knowledge

803
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 5: because they've been through just like heaps of bullshit and

804
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 5: it's years.

805
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, I would I will like the fucking

806
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 2: GSU think they had a whole thing when I was there,

807
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: like in like twenty nineteen, the whole the whole thing

808
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: was that And like Jennuay, this is like one of

809
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 2: the most admirable things I've ever seen a union do,

810
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: which was they refused to take their their case because

811
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 2: the university was refusing to recognize them, and they they

812
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: refuse to take their case to the NLRB because they

813
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: knew that if they did it, there was there was

814
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: a pretty good chance that the old Trump nl RB

815
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: was going to like bust every single graduate school union

816
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: in the country. So instead of trying to win for themselves,

817
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: they fucking didn't do it and just like fought on

818
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: packet lines instead, and it fucking rocked. It was like

819
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: that there. They rock, They're they're great, Like, yeah, yeah,

820
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 2: shout out, shoutouts, shout out to GSU.

821
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to Gsu.

822
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 4: Well, and they are a great, great, great example to

823
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 4: us all in terms of like how to persist on

824
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 4: a fight through attrition, because one of the things that

825
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 4: like you try so hard as a management team to

826
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 4: do is just wait until ever and gets tired and leaves,

827
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 4: and like it seems like Grand Students would be the

828
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 4: perfect population just just wait out because they rotate out constantly.

829
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 4: But like just the way that they have managed to

830
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 4: maintain energy through generations and generations of organizers and get

831
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 4: it over the line at Long Lives is so encouraging.

832
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's a thing I remember from I think the

833
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 10: last place I read into it was like one of

834
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 10: Mike Duncan's things about the French Revolution.

835
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: Like one of the things he talked about was like

836
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: the ways in which part of what caused the French

837
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: Revolution was that like they spent a whole bunch of

838
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 2: time teaching all of these kids these like incredibly radical

839
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: enlightenment ideas and then they were like, wait, we live

840
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: in like the most absolute monarchy that has ever existed.

841
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

842
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: Wait we hate this? Yeah yeah, yeah.

843
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: Like wait, hold on, And it's like there is obviously

844
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: always sort of contradictions between like the number of people

845
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: I have seen write books about labor resistance and then

846
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: like go bust unions is pretty large. But there's a

847
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: reason why everyone from like Pinochet through like the Trump administration,

848
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: I mean back through like the original Nazis. It's like

849
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: one of the first places and you know, I mean

850
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 2: like the Greek riot place had this thing where it

851
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: was like the first place you go when there's discontent

852
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: is like you must stop the workers from from allying

853
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: with the students.

854
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 3: You must do this.

855
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 2: When you're fucked.

856
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the workers and the students love each other.

857
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: They're all kissing. Yeah, and we're the same person sometimes,

858
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 3: you know.

859
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, yep, yep, all my comments that kiss on

860
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 5: the forehead, yes, ah yeah.

861
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: And I think like that is I think like the

862
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: positive element of all of this is like the way

863
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: that one campaign winning can transform the lives of everyone

864
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: else around you is so astonishing. And I've seen it

865
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: happen in so many places where like one shop wins

866
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,479
Speaker 2: and suddenly everyone else is like it could be us

867
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: it could be us.

868
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: Yes, it's possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

869
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 4: Well, and I think that we're trying to capitalize on

870
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 4: that and trying to make sure that we can be

871
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 4: the next person to like capitalize on GSU's win and

872
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 4: help ms I do the same. But like, as much

873
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 4: as we have really suffered from the at the table

874
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 4: bargaining new ohating process and been really sort of beaten

875
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 4: down in the past year on that battleground, I think

876
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 4: we have learned so much about the the allies that

877
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 4: surround us and the people who like want to do

878
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 4: more than just email our board members, and we're like,

879
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 4: we don't know what else you can do because we

880
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 4: don't know who makes these decisions for you to yell at.

881
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 4: But we have so many people who have like signed

882
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 4: up for an email list with us, so many people

883
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 4: who are like ready to go as soon as we

884
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 4: figure out.

885
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 3: What we need them to do.

886
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's been really encouraging and bolstering. While management

887
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: continues to like just not acknowledge us when they feel

888
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 4: too cornered, like they simply never spoke of the picket

889
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 4: because it happened outside and so they couldn't be mad

890
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 4: about it, so they didn't have to tell us all

891
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 4: about it, but they also just didn't speak of it.

892
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is Chicago is a motherfucking union town.

893
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: And that's what.

894
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll admit I'm angry when I go into work.

895
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 5: They don't care enough to get the mold and the

896
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 5: dust remediated, you know, and the DUTs and I can't

897
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 5: really breathe when I go into work. And I also

898
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 5: don't have health insurance right, Oh my god. Well I

899
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 5: do have health insurance, but I have to pay for

900
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 5: like you know, I have to pay for my own

901
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 5: premiums through a marketplace there. Yeah, and that's that's not

902
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 5: really affordable. And like, as frustrated as I am like

903
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 5: coming into work, it is it's the people, you know.

904
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 5: And I think that's for a lot of folks who

905
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 5: have stayed at the bookstore. I don't know how much

906
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 5: you relate to this then, like it has been like

907
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 5: other booksellers, the folks that we've gotten to know through

908
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 5: the community, who like who do make a difference at

909
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 5: least for me and whether or not I stay.

910
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, Yeah, this is a good fight.

911
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 4: The union crew that we have is a incredibly worthwhile

912
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 4: team to be on. It is a group of people

913
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 4: that I feel very solid standing shoulder to shoulder with.

914
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: I think that is, like, without question, one of the

915
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 4: things that like keeps the stores a place that you

916
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 4: can work, even if it's not a good place to

917
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 4: work right now.

918
00:46:59,080 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 5: Yeah.

919
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, And honestly, I think that would have sustained me

920
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 4: a lot longer if you were different, you know.

921
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah for sure. Wait, okay, sorry, poole back to

922
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: the part where you can't breathe because there's I feel

923
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 2: like because there's bolts. I feel like you just dropped

924
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: that very quickly. It was like, oh, yeah, that's like

925
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: a normal part of the work.

926
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 4: What the fought Well, so for a very long time

927
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 4: you've been allowed to request that you only work at

928
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 4: the co op because there is a known mode problem

929
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 4: at fifty seventh Street that they can't afford to or

930
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 4: can't get the landlord to ameliorate. But there is also,

931
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: at least in our lung experience, some sort of growth

932
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 4: issue in the venting at the seminary.

933
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 3: Come up, Yeah, it's it's very dusty at beast.

934
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 5: And like I when I wear like a like a

935
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 5: kN ninety five for a little bit, like that helps

936
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 5: a little.

937
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: I take like five.

938
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 5: Bena drill usually and then that Jesus, that kind of

939
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 5: that kind of helps. And that's more just I think,

940
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 5: like I mean not more. That is in part like

941
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 5: my own health. But if I had the resources too, yeah,

942
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 5: be able to take care of my health and get

943
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 5: what I need, maybe I could withstand the mold and

944
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 5: the dust and the ducks a little bit easier.

945
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 2: But like that well, but also like like as an employer,

946
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 2: it is your responsibility to not have your workplace poison

947
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 2: your employees, Like I'm sorry, like that part yeah, yeah, yeah,

948
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: that also make them pay for the medical care to

949
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: treat medical problems that they're having because you'd poison them

950
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: with mold. Like what that's yeah what Jesus christn it's

951
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 2: so evil.

952
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 4: Well, And we had a couple of pauses in our

953
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 4: first draft of the Collective Bardaining Agreement that included demands

954
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 4: regarding mold remediation at fifty seventh Street, and I do

955
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 4: believe th clauses have been struck in subsequent round.

956
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess that's the thing that you

957
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: could ask people to do, which is go ask people

958
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 2: to complain about the fucking mold like it seems like

959
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 2: a thing you could do.

960
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's my another direct action. I also noticed, like

961
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 5: people in the store, like they cough when they enter. Yeah,

962
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 5: you know, and like, oh god, this is where the

963
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 5: like the snake eats its own tail. The wheel turns

964
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 5: inside the fucking wheel, right, because like maybe, like if

965
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 5: I'm giving them good faith benefit of the doubt, management

966
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 5: would have if they weren't overloaded with so many tasks

967
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 5: that they have to take on, you know, sort of

968
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 5: more supervisory management. If y'all didn't have to do all

969
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 5: these tasks, maybe you would have time to If there

970
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 5: are more people hired in the bargaining unit, perhaps you

971
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 5: could yourself have more time to improve the conditions for

972
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 5: the store, not just for your workers, but also for

973
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 5: the people who enter the stores.

974
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: But because you.

975
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 5: Will hire new workers until there's a contract, you are

976
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 5: just so overworked and you can't And it's just like this,

977
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 5: this turns until the boss decides that it doesn't, and

978
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 5: it's like this, this is their responsibility to to bargain

979
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 5: in good faith and to treat their workers correctly, Like

980
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 5: this is an active decision that they could make that

981
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 5: they are not making.

982
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, I gotta say that that might be the

983
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: single wildest thing I've ever heard, like an hour into

984
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: an interview, is Oh, yeah, they're poisoning guys.

985
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 3: The mold, just the mold.

986
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 4: It's just also prove that this is the craziest place

987
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 4: to work, because like that doesn't even land on our

988
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 4: radar anymore because we've been just like banging our head

989
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 4: against walls for a year.

990
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I keep going back to

991
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: the abusive relationship metaphor, but like that is one of

992
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 2: the big things about the best of relationships is that

993
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: because of the information control and because of the way

994
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,919
Speaker 2: that your world gets condensed down into a really really tiny,

995
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 2: narrow set of experiences where you're isolated and you're only

996
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: interacting with like one person who was controlling everything about

997
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: your life, it becomes really difficult to see things that

998
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 2: are very, very obviously wrong the moment you step out

999
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, and you know, I don't know, maybe

1000
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: it turns out having apps hierarchical relationship control is an

1001
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 2: extremely bad way to run literally anything, especially the thing

1002
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: that your livelihood depends on that you do most of

1003
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: your time.

1004
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 4: Just the thought wow, well, and it also just like

1005
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 4: means that you are too busy to actually interface in

1006
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 4: any meaningful way with your workers. Like, yeah, if I

1007
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 4: tell you that it took me two thirds of the

1008
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 4: day to schedule a fifteen minute conversation with any of

1009
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 4: four managers who were on site to quit, I would

1010
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 4: not be lying.

1011
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.

1012
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 8: They can't even.

1013
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 2: Take your resig, bitch.

1014
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 4: They at one point tried to reschedule that conversation which

1015
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 4: I was attempting to have on Friday to Monday, and

1016
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 4: I was like, I think you want to know this.

1017
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like managers, you too are getting you too

1018
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: are getting strewed over by by understaffing.

1019
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I do think that's starting to take

1020
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 5: a toll too on management, which is a little encouraging.

1021
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 3: They're losing it. Yeah, they are not feeling well and

1022
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: because like for me, I don't know, I'm not going

1023
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 3: to trust a boss, like I just stated, for three

1024
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 3: months in the nineteen ninety seven UAW strike like that's oh,

1025
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 3: bosses are canceled. Yeah, you know I know how that ended.

1026
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 5: But I remember one of the supervisors who who I've

1027
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 5: had one point in her like her previous career had

1028
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 5: been on a picket line for a very long time

1029
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 5: had been on strike, and she like immediately took one

1030
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 5: of our little sabocat reed pins put it on her backpack,

1031
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 5: and is otherwise like, as far as I can tell,

1032
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 5: generally supportive of the union, but also, man, lady, I

1033
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 5: wish you would make a stink.

1034
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 4: Because here's the thing. I think she only talks to us.

1035
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 4: I feel like the other managers do not speak to her.

1036
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 4: I yeah, am I crazy?

1037
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1038
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 3: I could just talk about that for a very long time,

1039
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 3: and I don't think we have the time.

1040
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, before we get into what can people do

1041
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 2: to help? Is there anything else that you want to

1042
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 2: make sure that you get to.

1043
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 4: I think the big thing that we should emphasize too

1044
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 4: is as much as we are complaining and frustrated about

1045
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 4: the process, we know that this is not impass and

1046
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 4: that we are so sure that like there is still

1047
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 4: negotiating to be done, there is still conversation to be had,

1048
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 4: and that like we have been emphasizing that at every

1049
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 4: opportunity to management as we have to. But like, just

1050
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 4: because we are tired and frustrated means nothing in terms

1051
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 4: of us giving up, because this is a fight that

1052
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 4: is going to continue.

1053
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and like to that point, then we're doing

1054
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 5: this because we love the stores. Like the stores were

1055
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 5: a really important place for me, just putting down roots

1056
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 5: in the neighborhood. And I think when you love something

1057
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 5: a lot like you got to be brave enough to

1058
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 5: wrestle with it. And that our unionizing is the right thing.

1059
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 5: It is a thing that will like hopefully create anvironment

1060
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 5: where the people who make that bookstore run, who sell

1061
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 5: the books. In the long run, it will make the

1062
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 5: institution healthier, I really do believe. And just that we've

1063
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 5: been talking about like this metaphor as the boss of

1064
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 5: like as an abusive partner. I think for so many

1065
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 5: folks when they are whether it's something like domestic violence,

1066
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 5: or it's in a union campaign, or you're speaking out

1067
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 5: against you know, your neighbors being abducted and shot and

1068
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 5: killed in the street, there is such an expectation that

1069
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 5: I have to sit by and be quiet while this happens.

1070
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 5: And part of that, I think, what does prevent and

1071
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 5: at least in my experience as someone who survived you know,

1072
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 5: particular kinds of violence that yeah, I wasn't sure I

1073
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 5: was doing the right thing, but us unionizing is absolutely

1074
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 5: the right thing. It is the right thing for the stores.

1075
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 5: It is the right thing for the community and for

1076
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 5: the workers. And I just as much as I'm frustrated,

1077
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 5: like I know myself and my fellow booksellers are doing

1078
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 5: this out of love, Like it is absolutely love for

1079
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 5: the stores in the community we serve.

1080
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 4: So yeah, we're never going to feel bad for continuing

1081
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 4: to fight for what is the right.

1082
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 3: Thing to do. Yeah, I'm too broke to feel bad.

1083
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1084
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: Don't be poisoned by bold every time you go to

1085
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: the BOOKSTERO support the union.

1086
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, wear your mask at seminary co op.

1087
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, take a stab a cap pin.

1088
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1089
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: Ask to talk to a manager, make it a long talk.

1090
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, see if you can get one on the floor,

1091
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 4: we'll help you.

1092
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1093
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 2: So how can people help support y'all? And do you

1094
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 2: have places where people can find more information about the

1095
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: campaign and follow updates?

1096
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 5: We have a change dot org petition that I think

1097
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 5: if you can link it somewhere in the description.

1098
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: Yep, Yeah, we will link in description.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So that that does ask folks to sign off and

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00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 5: support the termination of Jenny Goltz, their union busting lawyer,

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Speaker 5: as well as releasing like the full state of financial

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00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 5: information too, so there's a change dot work. But you

1104
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 5: can also follow us on Instagram. At some Booksellers union,

1105
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Speaker 5: we've got the little icon, but the sabocat signed the petition.

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Speaker 5: There are also some action items on some of the posts,

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Speaker 5: such as emailing the board and management about the release

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Speaker 5: of financial information and also the termination of Jenny Goltz's employment.

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00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 5: You can also emailed those emails on that post about

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Speaker 5: the mold too, if you want me to breathe at work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so glad about this. This is I am

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00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: going to lead the description with you. They are poisoning

1113
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: you because like, I'm so angry about this.

1114
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Speaker 3: Thank you, I'm too tired to be angry about it.

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00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 4: I'm so glad at this woman's French perspective has remembered

1116
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 4: that the mold is totally bogus, because I had forgotten.

1117
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 3: It's crazy. Yeah, it's so bogus. It's also like it's in.

1118
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 8: Such plain sight, like if you're in fifty seven Street

1119
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,959
Speaker 8: Books and you look to the right of the air

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00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 8: conditioning unit and room one you see that shit growing

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00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 8: on the walls, and it's like, but I also feel

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Speaker 8: like if I talk to management, which I tried about this.

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Speaker 5: It just is about a priority. My breathing not a priority. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it is wild. Thank you for reminding me.

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Speaker 2: That someone one day, when you win, someone's going to

1126
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Speaker 2: write a paper by necropolitics in this or something like

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00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: good lord.

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Speaker 3: Jeez, yeah some shit. Yeah, sign the petition, follow us

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Speaker 3: on Instagram, help us make our ruckus.

1130
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Speaker 4: And come talk to us and our managers at the

1131
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 4: bookstore because we love to talk to people while.

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Speaker 3: We saw them books. Yeah. Yeah, it'll take any good

1133
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 3: will we can get so very much.

1134
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Speaker 2: So hell yeah, well, thank you to both so much

1135
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 2: for coming on and just for doing this and I

1136
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 2: don't know, like a place that was really special to

1137
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: me when I was Yeah, when I was there for

1138
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:57,479
Speaker 2: a long time.

1139
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Speaker 3: Thanks for your health. Thank you for following up with us.

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Speaker 4: Of course, it's really nice to have this platform every

1141
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Speaker 4: so often.

1142
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Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.

1143
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well hopefully we will have you back on

1144
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: when you fucking win.

1145
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 3: And yes, very round.

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Speaker 5: I'm buying I'm personally buying the cool Zone media team

1147
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 5: around at Jimmy's. When we win our contract.

1148
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 4: I will come back to park just for the celebration.

1149
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 3: Change everyone's oil while you're down.

1150
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 4: To yeah, yeah, yeah, No, don't take that long.

1151
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 3: I won't be ready for a second.

1152
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, this has been It could happen here, and you

1153
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 2: too can resist both your abuser and your boss even

1154
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: wouldn't have the same person and you should.

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Speaker 3: Hey man, get them.

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1160
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