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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang on today's show, why the trade for

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, episode four oh seven, and it

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Speaker 1: starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolu

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Speaker 1: and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hun Day,

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Speaker 1: Visit Easy Cardinals dot com Slash podcasts. Murray rolls to

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Speaker 1: the right, throws near sight of Fritz Bart plets into

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Speaker 1: So Chandler Jones, Justin Pugh, coulda Martin Quentin Harris, Dave

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Speaker 1: Pash and who am I leaving out? That's right stuff?

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Speaker 1: The Syracuse Cardinals a wonderful weekend. M Jay is Syracuse

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Speaker 1: onto the Sweet sixteen Yasberg gang, I don't no one cares,

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Speaker 1: but considering the number of ORNs that are in that

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Speaker 1: the cap to everyone involved. And now it's on to

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Speaker 1: face Houston and the sweet sixteen Craig. Growing up in

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Speaker 1: only does he make Kyler Murray better because now you've

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Speaker 1: got an experience center in which we saw when a

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Speaker 1: Q Shipley was snapping the ball to Murray, but he's

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Speaker 1: going to make everyone on that line better and hold

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Speaker 1: everyone accountable. These new faces. To your point, MJ. They're

430
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Speaker 1: all captains, they all have resumes, and I don't see

431
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Speaker 1: it being a problem in that locker room to where

432
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: if they say something, someone's gonna say, well, you just

433
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Speaker 1: got here, what do you know? Huh. I'm sorry, you're

434
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Speaker 1: talking about perennial all pros Pro bowlers when they say something,

435
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: you had damn well better listen well and we want

436
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, I've been banging the drum, you know, you know,

437
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: Kyler digging Moore in the playbook. But a lot of

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Speaker 1: that they installed, and then they had new plays from

439
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: one season to the other but watching film. So there

440
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: could be a play where Kyler goes to the line

441
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: and Hudson sees something and he checks out at it

442
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Speaker 1: for him. You know, there could be a signal he

443
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: hit back the pad on the side, so he's going

444
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: to be able to be the eyes. Now once the

445
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: play starts, that's on Kyler. But Craig, I think a

446
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: lot of people were thinking it could be up to

447
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: three new linemen. I think right now, right now, I

448
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Speaker 1: got I think Murray just based on experience, he's going

449
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Speaker 1: to go in there as your starting right guard. And

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Speaker 1: then I think Calvin Beacham. I mean they did retain

451
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: him on bring him back, and he played all sixteen

452
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: games last year, and then Josh Jones will figure out

453
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: if he could be a swing tackle. You know, I

454
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: still think he's more of a tackle, but they got

455
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Speaker 1: more intel and you're looking for position flexibility on game day,

456
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: so he can do two. Who's your backup center? Is

457
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: that Gilliard? Is that gonna Max Garcia if they retain him. So,

458
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: but they may only have one new starter, and I'm

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Speaker 1: okay with that because when you start and again, you know,

460
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: Sweezy was there for two years and then Murray started

461
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Speaker 1: to play more. You know, when Marcus Gilbert was out,

462
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Speaker 1: Murray got a chance to play. So you know, I'm

463
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Speaker 1: good it was only one new starter just because the

464
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Speaker 1: Murray will be in the system first third year. Beacham

465
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Speaker 1: obviously has a familiarity with Sean Coogler, humps been in

466
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Speaker 1: the system now, first third year, a Pew third year,

467
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Speaker 1: and then you know, Hudson's just plug and play guy.

468
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Speaker 1: I mean he'll start from day one. I mean this

469
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Speaker 1: is I mean, they wanted to get better at the

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Speaker 1: center spot, and they talked about competition. There's no competition here.

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00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, there's there's not at all. It's it's

472
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Speaker 1: although like hearing Kelvin Beecham say that he's here to

473
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Speaker 1: compete and wouldn't even assume being the starter at right tackle. No,

474
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Speaker 1: you're the starter at right tackle now if you look

475
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Speaker 1: at week one from twenty twenty, okay, it will be

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Speaker 1: two new starters. But I like what you said because

477
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: how the team ended in week seventeen. Who were those

478
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: five guys? Well, the only new face is going to

479
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: be the center position. Everyone else is coming back. And

480
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: I think to your point now in year two, for

481
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Speaker 1: some of these guys or year three. Yes, this matters,

482
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Speaker 1: and you don't like to see a lot of change

483
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Speaker 1: on your offensive line. And I still want, maybe, you know,

484
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Speaker 1: if we ever get the opportunity to see these players

485
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: and these coaches again face to face, I do want

486
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: a better explanation as far as this rotation that we

487
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Speaker 1: saw on the offensive line, and I think it had

488
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Speaker 1: more to do based off what we've heard and what

489
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: we've seen so far, probably more to do with not

490
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: keeping guys fresh, but perhaps they weren't happy with the

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Speaker 1: production that they were getting out of the center spot,

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Speaker 1: out of the interior, and when Justin Pugh was on

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Speaker 1: the sideline. I think a lot of that had to

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Speaker 1: do with the number of penalties, because that was the

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Speaker 1: one thing that Puke kept bringing up. He played well.

496
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Speaker 1: General manager Steve Kim on the record saying that Pew

497
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: had a good season, a great season, but he was

498
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Speaker 1: penalized too many times to where I think maybe he

499
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Speaker 1: lost some time and had to sit and maybe watch

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Speaker 1: from a different vantage point. But I think it had

501
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: more to do with a production or lack thereof, especially

502
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Speaker 1: at center and right guard, to where we saw some rotation,

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Speaker 1: especially they are late in the season and that was

504
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Speaker 1: surprising to us, you know, because again I have to

505
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Speaker 1: bring this up because we spoke to Joe Judge. Keep

506
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Speaker 1: in mind, you know they drafted Andrew Thomas fifth overall,

507
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: and that's the game that Reddick got those five sacks,

508
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: and so I understand why they were subs. They were

509
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who's going to be the future.

510
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: Now they're getting eight soldier back and you know, they

511
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: go out and get you know, Kenny Galladay. So but

512
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Speaker 1: my thing was when you just start looking at the

513
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Speaker 1: the offensive line as a whole, I mean, you want

514
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: to have the same unit. So when they started rotating places,

515
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: I really think that Sweezy wore down. I really do.

516
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: And that listen, hats off to that guy Craig because

517
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: every training camp he had the most sweat. He didn't

518
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: he didn't take any drills off. I'd never seen him

519
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: as practice. Even when open portion, he's sweating and we're

520
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: rolling out there twenty minutes. So I mean, it's just

521
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: father time and his body's been through so much. I mean,

522
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: he's a really physical guy. So I thought he wore

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Speaker 1: down a little bit. And then you know, I never

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Speaker 1: really noticed that because Pugh was playing well. But the

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Speaker 1: penalties we talked about. You know, they led the league

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Speaker 1: in penalties and false starts and you know that first

527
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: and fifteen and you know second and fifteen or something.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't really notice it. I just know that,

529
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, down the stretch, they didn't run the ball

530
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: is effective, and that could have been Kenyan Drake, that

531
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: could have been maybe Chase Evans wasn't one hundred percent

532
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: even though he tried to, you know, play through some injuries,

533
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: but they weren't the same team down the stretch when

534
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: it came to the physicality at the point of line

535
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: of scrimmons, and when you're a substitute like that, you

536
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: just don't have the continuity. But again, at the end

537
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: of the day, I trust Coogler and so you know,

538
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: he he knows he's gotten more football than an Alburne,

539
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: and I mean that he's got that much respect in

540
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: the room. So there must have been a rhyme of reason.

541
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Speaker 1: But I do think Sweezy was wearing down, and I

542
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: think they wanted to start him to see how long

543
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: you go and then they would put somebody else in.

544
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: Sweezy was a very good signing and I think for

545
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: two years was very, very good. But yes, you do

546
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: lose a step or two, and maybe it did catch

547
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: up to him, but he brought something that this offensive

548
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: line desperately needed, and that was an attitude that was

549
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: a physicality and a no nonsense I'm not going to

550
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: take bs from anyone because we were able, you know,

551
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: under normal circumstances, able to go into the locker room

552
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: or post game. And he was one of those guys

553
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: that needed more than the ten minutes at the end

554
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: of the game to cool off. Always willing to speak,

555
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: but you know what, let me get my time to

556
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: decompress and come into my senses. Some guys are fine

557
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: immediately after a ballgame. Others need a little bit more

558
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: of that cooling off period, and Sweezy was one of

559
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: those guys. But he was always accountable and was always

560
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: one of those guys that put team first over himself.

561
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Speaker 1: So to a certain extent, I'm going to be miss

562
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: him if he doesn't come back. He's still on the

563
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: market as we speak here on Cardinals cover two presented

564
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: by Hunda, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. But I

565
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: do think he was a very solid addition for this

566
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: offensive line and certainly did his part to improve that position.

567
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: And the numbers, especially when're gonna look at the running

568
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: game and the number is sacks from last year to

569
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: or I should say from two years ago to last year,

570
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: the drop was certainly noticeable. And I don't have the

571
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: numbers in front of me, just because you know, we

572
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: know that Mason Cole had those four false starts and

573
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: back to back games, and then we know that Hump

574
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: had some false start penelties and holding penalties. But I

575
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: don't remember Sweezy's number being called that much. I mean

576
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Speaker 1: his claim to famous he ran into Kyler Murdy, he sacked,

577
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: He sack Kyler Murray a couple of years ago, to

578
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: the point to where a little bit later on you

579
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: were able to joke with Sweezy about that. He was like, yeah,

580
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: I just I ran into him. So one of those

581
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: forty eight sacks in twenty nineteen is on j R. Sweezy. No,

582
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: it was a perfect sign. Like I said, I mean,

583
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: we don't know if somebody comes out on an injury,

584
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: you know he can come in and play it. And

585
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: when you give a guy, you know, four or five

586
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: months off, the body starts to recover, you start to

587
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: get the itch, don't I would assume he wants to play,

588
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: but he's to a point now are probably going to

589
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: be one year deals. How does that affect his family?

590
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: Is he wanting to go somewhere for five months? You

591
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: got kids involved in all that other stuff. But no,

592
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: he was he was steady, he was solid. I mean yeah,

593
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't make Pro Bowls, but there were

594
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: times where I didn't think he was the weakest link.

595
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: You just wanted guys that if you're not noticing the

596
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: offensive line, they're doing their part, because if you're not

597
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: getting called out. I think j R. Sweezy was very,

598
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: very good, Yes, exactly. He was an absolute pros pro

599
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 1: for the Arizona Cardinals. And you just looked, too at

600
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: the end of the season, how do we get better? Well,

601
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: the interior needed to improve, and we all focused on

602
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: the right side because it was the right guard that

603
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: was that shuffling, whether it was Sweezy or Murray or

604
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: back and forth, talking about Justin Murray going back and forth,

605
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: and we're like, what's going on. Sweezy's healthy, he's not hurt,

606
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: but it's a production issue exactly. And you know, one

607
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: thing that we didn't really talk. We talked about Hudson.

608
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: Can you imagine him and Aaron Donald though, oh yes,

609
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: and we know how dominating Donald is in the interior.

610
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: But you look at Rodney Hudson, who you know? You look.

611
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: He was asked about how much he knew about the Cardinals,

612
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: and I appreciate his honesty because look, you're in the

613
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: AFC West. You're not seeing a lot of Cardinal film.

614
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, You're just not just even on cutups, Like

615
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: if you're playing an NFC team, the teams go back

616
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: four games. When you play the same division teams, you

617
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: see cut ups. Don't. You only play four teams in

618
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: the AFC this year and his the AFC East, So

619
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: you just don't have the cutups where when you play

620
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: in the same conference you'll get cut ups because that

621
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: team is playing you know what, twelve conference games and

622
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: then four out of conference games. So yeah, he said

623
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: he went to YouTube and started watching highlights. I'll give

624
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: him credit. He's already doing his homework to figure out

625
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: what this offense is like. And the fact that they

626
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: want to go up Tempa, It's like, yeah, I'll be ready.

627
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm learning just like everyone else, but count me in

628
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: week one. But yeah, that's going to be interesting because

629
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: whether that's Donald on the outside against a DJ Humphreys

630
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: or Kelvin Beecham more interior. I'm looking forward to those

631
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 1: matchups now with the Rams. They don't now, they're still formidable,

632
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: and I don't want to discount the Rams because while

633
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: we know what the record is when the Cardinals play

634
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: the Rams and the head coach Cliff Kingsbury, we don't

635
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: need to get into that right here in March. We

636
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: will in September or October. But to see Aaron Donald

637
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: and Rodney Hudson, that is going to be a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun because now all of a sudden, you're matching

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Speaker 1: best versus best. And I like what you said. Now,

640
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Speaker 1: Brandon Staley defensive coordinator. Wade didn't do this. And Wade,

641
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: obviously he's a really successful coach, but you know, I

642
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: think that, you know, maybe things are a lot different

643
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: now when it comes to analytics and playing more you know,

644
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: nickel and dime defense. So Staley comes in there, and

645
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: now he's a head coach with the Chargers. He comes

646
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: there to moose Aaron Donald around, and you made that

647
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Speaker 1: reference to he was going to against Humphreys in that

648
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: Cardinal game. And that's what I think the Cardinals are

649
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: gonna do with j. J. Watt. They're gonna move him around.

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00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,479
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you want to. I think JJ Watt

651
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Speaker 1: if he doesn't face as many double teams, which he

652
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: won't because you'll have other guys around him, but he

653
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: can split the garden center and knife through there for

654
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Speaker 1: a tackle for loss. But if you want to move

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Speaker 1: him around same side as Chandler, that's where Advance is

656
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: going to be looking his chops. So it's gonna be

657
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Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. But I'm just looking

658
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: for it. And listen a Q Shipley, you know, he

659
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: never looked the size, but he was squatty. He was.

660
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: He minds me of a keg, that's how strong he was.

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00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: He didn't take any crap from anybody. He went against

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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. Yes, he may have gotten beaten from the

663
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Speaker 1: physical or just from the you know, Aaron Donald being

664
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Speaker 1: a little bit younger, but he stood in there and

665
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna get beat at times. But here, with Rodney

666
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: Hudson in there, it's gonna be a little bit different.

667
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: Where maybe Kyler the offensive line won't get pushed back

668
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: so much, maybe he coul up up in the pocket

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Speaker 1: a little bit more. And a lot of is to

670
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Speaker 1: be predicated on the run game. But again the addition

671
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: of what better run defense, the addition of Hudson who

672
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: will be making a line calls. They should be able

673
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: to run the football and lean on teams when they

674
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: get a lead. That horseshoe or that upside down you

675
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: that pocket that we're talking about that you referenced, I'm

676
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: trying to remember, you know, I don't remember seeing it often,

677
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: although a lot of it was because Murray just could

678
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: scramble to the left or right and buy some extra time.

679
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: But as opposed to going backwards, go forward and all

680
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you want to be a pocket passer, Kyler,

681
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Speaker 1: that's what you keep telling us, Well, step up in

682
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 1: the pocket. Yet maybe he wasn't able to or didn't

683
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: feel comfortable because there was either no room or if

684
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: he moved up and all of a sudden, you're closer

685
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: to an Aaron Donald because those three guys in the

686
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: interior weren't doing their job long enough. And one of

687
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: the things that Kyler and I thought he improved from

688
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: the first year. I remember the first year, he was

689
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: drifting and he was drifting and he you know, doing

690
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: a one to eighty and getting out of it and

691
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: then you know, you'd try to run and maybe, you know,

692
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: lose seven yards when Mahomes did this in the Super

693
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Speaker 1: Bowl to maybe because he wasn't one hundred percent, But

694
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Speaker 1: when you started drifting like that, I mean there, Mahomes

695
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: can make any throw. I think Kyler can make those

696
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: similar throws. I don't know about seventy yards. But when

697
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: you're drifting like that, you can't get your feet set.

698
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: You're you're kind of scrambling. It's a scrambled drill and

699
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: you're hoping to come back to you. But here and

700
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: when they started playing that much defense where they were

701
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: rushing up the field, but they weren't trying to sack him.

702
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: They were trying to keep him in the pocket. And

703
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: that's where you got to stop up. But in fairness

704
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: to Kyler, a lot of times that pocket was getting

705
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: collapsed right by the center and guard. You know, every

706
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: week was a little bit different because I thought they

707
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: protected the edges from the From the first year, that

708
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: first month of the season, we talked about when you're

709
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: going ten personnel cliffs first year and Kylage first year.

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00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: You got to protect the edges, and I thought they

711
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: protected the edges much better last year. But again, the

712
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: drifting parts, He's dynamic enough to get out of that,

713
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: but you're going backwards. You can't always do that. Last

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Speaker 1: point on Rodney Hudson and our colleague Darren urban Asy

715
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Speaker 1: Cardinals dot Com asked the question because as we talked

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Speaker 1: at the start of this show that yeah, Hudson is

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00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: getting a lot of attention and you don't really get

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Speaker 1: that if you're a center. So Darren asked, you know,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel about kind of being almost a

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Speaker 1: fan favorite before you even put on the uniform, because

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Speaker 1: we're all excited, probably more than any other move outside

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Speaker 1: of to your point a JJ Watt, we're all focused on, Hey,

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Speaker 1: the center spot. Now we've got a Pro Bowl or

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Speaker 1: three of the last five seasons, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: what you know, Hudson's relationship was with the Raiders, and

726
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: obviously there are no fans and attendance last season. But Hudson,

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00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: quote when asked about being kind of like, you know,

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00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: a topic of fan conversation, said quote, I guess it's

729
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: a little gratifying end quote. You know these offensive lineman

730
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Speaker 1: where we're lucky to have DJ Humphries, who's very immedia savvy.

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Speaker 1: Hudson and not that he was uncomfortable or didn't want

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Speaker 1: to talk, he's certainly seemed to me first impression, very

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Speaker 1: businesslike and I want to do whatever it takes to

734
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Speaker 1: be a good teammates and be and more importantly get

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00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: this team wins on Sundays and into the postseason. That

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Speaker 1: to me was my first impression listening to Rodney Hudson. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I think early in the interview, Darren

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Speaker 1: Urban from ac gardinals dot Com just asked what it's

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Speaker 1: been like for you over the last twenty four to

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Speaker 1: four hours, And you know, one a minute that he's

741
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Speaker 1: asked to take a paid kind according to reports, the

742
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Speaker 1: next minute they're going to release him, the next minute,

743
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Speaker 1: we're gonna try to trade you. And then you know

744
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: Kansas City was trying to get in there. And I

745
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: don't think that Mayak and Gruden wanted to trade him

746
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: to a team inside of the division. You got to

747
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: think that's you know, they went out and spend money

748
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: on a couple of linemen, but they need more tackles,

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Speaker 1: but he had previously he played there, so you didn't

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Speaker 1: know about relationships. But I'm sure once he left there

751
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: because they fly in and then a lot of times

752
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: they'll just fly back home and then figure out the

753
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: offseason schedule. So I'm sure when they're dust settles, he's

754
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: going to get excited because again a guy in his thirties,

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00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: he's going to practice on grass. Now, the Raiders have

756
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: a brand new facility. It's the Retrackable, very similar actually identical.

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00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: They have the grass, but all those little things as

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Speaker 1: you get older and you know, we'll see his practice habits.

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Speaker 1: But it just seems like a guy that just goes

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Speaker 1: to work every day and really doesn't need to get

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00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: a pat on the back and just does his job

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00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: and improving as he gets older. Considering those three Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowls are on the last five seasons, it wasn't earlier

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Speaker 1: in his career. It's what have you done for me lately?

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Speaker 1: It was like, well, I'm getting into the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So there is that talking about Rodney Hudson Bird Gang.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't already, will invite you to update to

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Covered two presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, switching gears to special teams, and new kicker

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Speaker 1: Matt Prator. I'm going to use a word, MJ that

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Speaker 1: you have used often here this offseason, and that is relationships.

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00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: And we are hearing from players. Yes, money is a factor,

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Speaker 1: and it might be the top factor, might be the

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Speaker 1: number one factor and the only factor for a lot

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Speaker 1: of players. Yet at the same time, there is a

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Speaker 1: segment of the player that will say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I've made my money. Now I'm looking for one where

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00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: can I win? And in two where do I feel comfortable?

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Speaker 1: And we heard it from Kelvin Beecham when he mentioned

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Speaker 1: that he would not have been here with the Arizona

784
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: Cardinals a year ago and would not have played right

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00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: tackle or come back this season if it wasn't for

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Speaker 1: Sean Coogler. That speaks volumes here now when we're talking

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Speaker 1: about Matt Prador, his relationship not only with Jeff Rogers,

788
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: but how about Devin Fitzsimmons, the new assistant special team's coach,

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Speaker 1: and which I forgot other didn't know. Aaron Brewer was

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00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: his long snapper when Prator was with the Broncos from

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Speaker 1: twenty twelve to twenty fourteen, and was the long snapper

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Speaker 1: when Prator kicked that record breaking sixty four yard field

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00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: goal into the first half at Mile High Stadium. He

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00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: brought up those three names. And then of course it

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00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: doesn't hurt that. Yes, you're inside, you're on grass, but

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Speaker 1: relationships matter, certainly for a veteran like a Matt Prator,

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Speaker 1: who will be entering his fifteenth season in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League. Yeah, you know, it's easy to look up

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Speaker 1: Matt Prator's career and you know where were way see

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Speaker 1: and then you look at Jeff Rogers. But fitz Simmons

801
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: is a new hire, and yeah he was at Vanderbilt

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00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: last year, but he spent a lot of time in Detroit,

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Speaker 1: so I you know that again, and people are asking me, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he had the same similar percentage to Zane

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Speaker 1: Gonzalis as I mentioned earlier. I'm like, this guy's got

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00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: a ton of experience. They have intel kickers can kick

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00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: to their thirty nine. I'm not worried about that, but

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00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, but he's got a job to do, and

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Speaker 1: he know he was asked, you do know last year

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Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, you know, my job's coming here

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Speaker 1: and win those games with the Cardinals, and that's exactly

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Speaker 1: why he's here. Here's some of the numbers from Praytor

813
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: last season, and I don't think he's going to run

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Speaker 1: and hide from these or not. Seventy five percent he

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00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: was good, second lowest mark of his career, and he

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Speaker 1: went four of seven from forty to forty nine yards

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Speaker 1: and that was the issue for Zane Gonzalez last year,

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Speaker 1: that forty to forty nine a yard range. Yet the

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Speaker 1: difference is Prador has a resume and I use that

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Speaker 1: word a lot burd gang because Zane Gonzalez was relatively new.

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Speaker 1: Prador has been in these situations as far as game

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Speaker 1: winning kicks are concerned. And I just think last year

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Speaker 1: for Praytor, and I certainly think he alas this last

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00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: year was an anomaly and maybe it was time to

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00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: move on and a change of scenery with the Detroit Lions,

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Speaker 1: especially when you're the kicker and you miss more than

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Speaker 1: you make, is certainly in clutch situations. Fan base turns

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Speaker 1: on you, and all of a sudden, it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's find someone else. And I think that's probably what happened,

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Speaker 1: was a Gonzalez. We need to see someone else running

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Speaker 1: out there last two minutes for a game winning kick.

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Speaker 1: And remember it was Prador who kicked the game winner

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Speaker 1: to beat the Cardinals earlier in the season, to give

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Speaker 1: the Lions one of their few wins last season. He

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Speaker 1: knows how to handle those situations, and more times than

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Speaker 1: not he's come through in the quote unquote clutch. Please

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Speaker 1: excuse us here, Kylodgard, but yes, there is such a

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Speaker 1: thing that we believe in called clutch, and Matt Prador

839
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Speaker 1: has been clutch his entire career. I like that resume.

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Speaker 1: Matter of fact, according to the release, Prador is also

841
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: one of the top clutch NFL kickers. He's having connected

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00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 1: on twenty two game winning field goal attempts with less

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00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: than two minutes or less than two minutes or less

844
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Speaker 1: than the fourth quarter overtime, sixteen for sixteen in regulation,

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Speaker 1: six for six in overtime, and his leg fifty nine

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Speaker 1: makes from fifty or longer. And that I don't think

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Speaker 1: you know, there's no substitute for that, and even if

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Speaker 1: he is, you know, going to be thirty six or

849
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Speaker 1: excuse me, thirty seven in August and when the season begins,

850
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: you know he keeps good care of himself. And I

851
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: do think to your point, weather Grass indoors that all

852
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: factors into these players that the Cardinals have acquired this offseason,

853
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: as far as late twenties, early thirties. That matters to

854
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: where all of a sudden, maybe you feel four or

855
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: five years younger because you're not having to deal with

856
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: the elements or the hard surface, and you just feel

857
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: a little bit more comfortable and confident in your ability. Yeah.

858
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: I'm sure the players have a nice places to live

859
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: in Detroit, but every morning, you got to get in

860
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: that car, and I'm sure they got ignition devices where

861
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: it heats up, but you got to get to the facility.

862
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: You still got to walk out of the car, get

863
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: to the facility. And his wife from the area, she's

864
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: a former Cardinal's cheerleader. So I can imagine that conversation

865
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: for the last couple of years. Is there any way

866
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: you can get to Arizona? And they had new jity,

867
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: what was he thirty eight? Right? Yeah, and clearly you're

868
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: not rooting it. He's got to finish out his contract.

869
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: But I could just imagine that conversation to where is

870
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: there any way you can get to Arizona at some point. Yes,

871
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna get there when I'm thirty seven and I'm

872
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: a free agent. Quoting Prator. My kids are so excited

873
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: to come out here. Everything lined up perfectly for the

874
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: entire family. End quote. You bring up his wife, Katie.

875
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: She grew up in Arizona, former Cardinals jeer leader. His dad,

876
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: Praytor's father works at a local veterans a VA hospital,

877
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, it seems like everyone

878
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: is in one place, perhaps for the first time in

879
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: a long time. So that's certainly going to matter at

880
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: the end of the day when you go home and

881
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: you got familiar surroundings, familiar faces, and everyone is happy

882
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: where they're at. Yeah, those kids got to be thrilled

883
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: because there they would probably be stuck indoors right now

884
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: playing video games, and here they can go outside, it's sunny.

885
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: You know, they listen. He's he's been a nice career.

886
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure Detroit treat him with a lot of respect.

887
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's just kickers, they come and go, but

888
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: he's spent a long time there. I mean he's been

889
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: in the league but past seven seasons with the Lions'

890
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: This is a NFL fourteenth year veterans, so that's a

891
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: pretty long stay in one in one city, a two

892
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: time pro bowler, including in twenty thirteen when Jeff Rogers

893
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: was his coach with the Denver Broncos. And doing a

894
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: little bit more as far as a deep dive on

895
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: Praytor in his numbers, I just I found this interest

896
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: and then whether it means anything or not, MJ, maybe

897
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: I'll let you figure this out. But Praytor has never

898
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: missed a kick eleven of eleven on pats, eleven of

899
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: eleven on field goals over six games against the Cardinals.

900
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: So if you're the Cardinals, if you can't beat him,

901
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: try to find a way to get him on your side.

902
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: Can't beat him, join him, And then he's been almost

903
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: near perfect against the rest of the NFC West, twenty

904
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: three of twenty four on pats, fifteen of fifteen on

905
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: field goals against the forty nine Ers, Seahawks, and Rams combined.

906
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 1: So yes, perhaps the Cardinals had solved their kicking woes

907
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: at least for twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two. Okay,

908
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: so you labeled again splitting hairs, but you labeled Hudson

909
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: as the best offseason pickup. I think it's one on

910
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: one day, I guess I'm copping out there. And then

911
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: I think Marcus Golden is the most underrated signing, just

912
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: because what the salary is that when he provides what

913
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: would you say when another radar prater? Yeah, because you

914
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: didn't need yes, and you needed one. You needed to

915
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: fill it. You need to figure out who's going to

916
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: be your kicker and then fill it with someone who

917
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: is going to be experienced in pressure situations, because you know,

918
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: you don't want to single out one player or one play,

919
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: but a kick here or there, and all of a sudden,

920
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: this Cardinals team MJ instead of having eight wins, nine

921
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: maybe ten wins, and they're in the postseason as opposed

922
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: to watching the playoffs. I think that's very fair. Now,

923
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: games don't come down to one play, it's an entire

924
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 1: sixty minutes. But at the end of the game, things

925
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: get magnified, and what do we focus on, Well, you

926
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: made the kick or you didn't make the kick, you

927
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: won the game or you didn't win the game, and

928
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: you go, well, what happened most recently as well? You

929
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: miss that kick and all of a sudden you're walking

930
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: off the field at Foxboro with a loss instead of

931
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: a win, or you're walking off the field because you

932
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: just beat the Seahawks and overtime on national television. Yeah,

933
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: I just hope Prater gets off to a good start.

934
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: Make that first kick between four point nine I remember,

935
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,479
Speaker 1: I remember it was at Sun Devil and he kicked

936
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: it short, and again I think he was dumb founded.

937
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: Why because it would have been long enough. It's just short.

938
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: And then there was times when you just didn't know

939
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: if he was going to make it, and that's uncomfortable

940
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: and Cliff Cliff had to decide, why go for it here?

941
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: Do I let him kick it? You know, because the

942
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: only way he's going to get better is by going

943
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: out there in that pressure time and kicking it. But

944
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, then he ended up getting hurt and then

945
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: they went with nugent. But yeah, it was uncomfortable at times,

946
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: just because you always say games come down to five

947
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: or six plays, but it's the last play of the game.

948
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: Though it plays a role. I mean, but yeah, you know,

949
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: the coaches will tell you after the game should have

950
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: never came down to that end, and they're probably right.

951
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: But if you're in a position to win a game,

952
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: that's that's the NFL. It always comes down to the

953
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: last five minutes. Usually it's an eight point game or

954
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: a three point game, where you're within a score in

955
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: a two point conversion. But that's the NFL. And they

956
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: got to learn how to finish and win games. And

957
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: we saw a little bit of that early in the season,

958
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: but we didn't see that in the second half of

959
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: the season. Second question asked to Praytor about those pressure

960
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: situation kicks. Quote, there's no substitute for experience. I just

961
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: treat those kicks like any other kick. I expect to

962
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 1: make it end quote, and let's hope that's happening this season. Yeah,

963
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: and you know again, you get down the red zone.

964
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: We don't need twenty three four, we don't need extra

965
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: point kicks. We don't need those. I mean, get down there,

966
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: punch it in. But I feel comfortable if Cliff wants

967
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: to go for it and he can rely on a guy.

968
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: If they don't get it on third down, maybe they

969
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: try for maybe a bigger play where you know you

970
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: can at least get points to go into half or something,

971
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: or just make sure you get in field goal range

972
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: because again indoors usually the first maybe six seven games

973
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: the roof is closed is because of the heat. I

974
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: would love to see what he does in warmups. I

975
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: have no problem at the end of the half if

976
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: he wants to kick a fifty yard or where instead

977
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: you got to try to throw it to the ten

978
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: yard line, then you get could turn the ball over,

979
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: just get in field goal range, because he's got the

980
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: leg and he's got the experience, and again he's been

981
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: in a ton of pressure, kicks a ton of them. Yeah,

982
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: it certainly might factor into how Kingsbury calls games, especially

983
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: when you're right on that edge as far as do

984
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: you go forward or do you allow someone to try

985
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: to kick a long field goals? And as we mentioned,

986
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: fifty nine kicks from fifty yards or longer. He's proven that,

987
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: of course, it depends on situation and whether and you know,

988
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: are your home are and you're on the road. How

989
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: did you kick in prig game and how did you

990
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: kick during the game, So all these factors in and

991
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: I do think the Cardinals have done a wonderful job

992
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: so far in free agency, yet there's still work to

993
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: be done. Yeah, Like, for an example, let's say Cardinal's

994
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: got to maybe a seven point lead, and you know

995
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: they're at the thirty five and they're trying to kill

996
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: the clock down and instead of trying to get a

997
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: first down to kill the clock, then you just bring

998
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: your field goal out and now it's a ten point game,

999
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: so now it's a two possession game. You know, little

1000
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: things like that where maybe they felt like, oh, we

1001
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: got to push you down, but we need to touchdown

1002
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: here because you know, earlier in the season Zane was off.

1003
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: So there's little factors. And if you can go up

1004
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: by ten and now all of a sudden to change

1005
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: it where you're not forced to maybe go for a three.

1006
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: If you're down by ten, you go for three first

1007
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: because it's a long field goal, even though when you

1008
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: get down there it's tough to get a touchdown a

1009
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: two point conversion. But I do think they'll have some

1010
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: other options where they won't have to force a third

1011
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: or fourth down to go for it if they feel

1012
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: comfortable with their kicker well, and they certainly do feel

1013
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: comfortable with Priator because there was news late last week

1014
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: that with Priator signed, the team has released Brett Maherr,

1015
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: who was on to the practice squad in late December.

1016
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: He never appeared in a game, but he was still

1017
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: on the roster, but that now is no longer the

1018
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: case and the Cardinals, certainly as we talk what is next, Well,

1019
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: you can keep up to date on what happens in

1020
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: free agency asy cardinals dot com slash free agency track

1021
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: all of the Cardinals moves here this offseason. Because corner,

1022
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? Running back, backup, quarterback. You know,

1023
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: there's and then some depth positions as well, but certainly

1024
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: corner first and foremost that potentially could be next on

1025
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: the shopping list if you will running back corner, and

1026
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: I do think the Cardinals will sign a veteran corner,

1027
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 1: but I also think they're going to draft one, whether

1028
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: it's in the first or second round. It's deep. This

1029
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: is the year. If you're looking for running backs, wide receivers,

1030
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: or cornerbacks. It's deep. And you can also get some

1031
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: offensive tackles or some interior guys. I don't know about

1032
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: pass rushes, which the Cardinals you like with the addition

1033
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: to J. J. Watt retaining Marcus Golden, Channel Jones coming

1034
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: back off of injury. Hopefully Dennis Gardeck can return in

1035
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: the second half of this season. So where the Cardinals

1036
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: are sitting, I do think there's options in the draft. Now,

1037
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, those are young players and hopefully they get

1038
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: a preseason, but I do think they may have to

1039
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: double up with some of these positions. But you know,

1040
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: they went out and really got four big ticket items

1041
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: by besides retaining their own players, tender and these guys,

1042
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: and so now I think there's just going to wait

1043
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: for maybe the market to dry up a little bit

1044
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: and then start to see guys take one year deals.

1045
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: But they're always gonna, you know, try to turn that

1046
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: roster over. You can go to ninety and you've got

1047
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: to have once you get to the offseason workout. You're

1048
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: gonna have to fill the roster out so you can

1049
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: have competition in every certain positions where you're looking for guys. Well,

1050
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: what happens next once we know, we'll let you know

1051
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two. And on that note, we

1052
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: will sign off on put a lid on this edition

1053
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunda, proud partner of

1054
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive

1055
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: producer Jim Amhandro. For Mike Jarecki, I'm Craig rail Lou.

1056
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time. Eron Cardinals Cover two