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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. The Sun smoked the Nuggets last night, one

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Speaker 1: twenty three, ninety eight. It wasn't even that close up

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Speaker 1: two games to none tonight, Nets Bucks Game three, Clippers

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Speaker 1: Jazz Game two. Following the loss last night, the Nuggets

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Speaker 1: head coach Michael Malone said his team quit. They've had

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Speaker 1: their way with us on both ends of the court.

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Speaker 1: I felt we quit tonight, which is something you never

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Speaker 1: want to see. So I guess for Game three, I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna try to find guys that will at least

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Speaker 1: go out there and leave it all on the line.

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Speaker 1: I may have a hard time coming up with five

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Speaker 1: guys that filled that. But these two games, these second halfs,

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Speaker 1: have really been disappointing. And that's an understatement. Coach, can

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Speaker 1: you name the names of everybody who quit? Did the

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Speaker 1: entire team quit? Tell me who didn't quit last night?

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Speaker 1: The worst thing you can ever say about an athlete

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Speaker 1: is you quit. Michael Malone is not Mill Belichick, he's

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Speaker 1: not Phil Jackson, he's not pat Riley. They got rings.

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Speaker 1: Michael Malone. Don't call him Mike calling out his team.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they respond. Maybe he should understand two. The Phoenix

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Speaker 1: Suns are a better team. They're a whole lot healthier

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Speaker 1: than the Nuggets are. Did the MVP quit last night?

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Speaker 1: Did the joker quit last night? Or was he the

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Speaker 1: guy who didn't quit? And can't you say this to

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Speaker 1: your team in the locker room? And now I know

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Speaker 1: Michael Malone was saying, hey, you know include me in this?

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Speaker 1: Did he quit? How did he quit? Like? At what

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Speaker 1: point did you quit coaching? I just don't understand this now.

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Speaker 1: Do I like that we get all this information? Do

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Speaker 1: I like that it's full disclosure? Do I like that

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Speaker 1: they're going to say something in front of the media. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it makes my job easier. But I don't play for

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Speaker 1: the Nuggets. If I played for the Nuggets, I would

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Speaker 1: have been livid with my coach. You want to say

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Speaker 1: something to us, you say something to us as a team.

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Speaker 1: Don't do this through the media, because then I would say, coach,

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Speaker 1: who quit? Did I quit? How about we aren't as

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Speaker 1: good as the Phoenix Suns. The Suns played extremely well.

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Speaker 1: We don't have our starting backcourt. Chris Paul was wonderful

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Speaker 1: last night. But are you telling me that Michael Porter Jr.

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Speaker 1: Who has a bad back he quit last night? Did

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Speaker 1: the Joker quit last night? I'm sure they're going to respond.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll play a whole lot better in Game

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Speaker 1: three back home. But don't call out your team and

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Speaker 1: say they quit, because it starts with you. How did

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Speaker 1: you let him quit? Can't you spend this and make

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Speaker 1: it positive where you say, Look, I love that we

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Speaker 1: had guys out there who were hurt, but we were

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Speaker 1: still playing hard. When we go back home, we're going

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Speaker 1: to regroup. Here do I need to call you out

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Speaker 1: in front of the media to then make me look

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Speaker 1: And it felt like, you know, it was more of

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Speaker 1: a pr move here. Oh you know what, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't send a message to my team by talking

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Speaker 1: to my team. I'm going to send a message through

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Speaker 1: the media. I guess it can work. I guess the

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Speaker 1: players will be like, oh, we'll show him we don't quit. Really,

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Speaker 1: you're just not a better team. The Phoenix Suns are

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Speaker 1: a better team. You might not. You may say, look,

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Speaker 1: we're trying to match them, and we can't. Right now.

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Speaker 1: This is a Phoenix Suns team that had a better

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Speaker 1: record than the Gets during the regular season. I think

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Speaker 1: we look at the Suns and we go all those

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Speaker 1: cuddly Suns, Oh, look at them remb the bubble Suns. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then we saw what happened during the regular season,

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Speaker 1: and you're watching what's happening during the postseason. Now. Do

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Speaker 1: I think if the Lakers were healthy they would have

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Speaker 1: eaten the Phoenix Suns? I do, but they weren't. Did

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Speaker 1: do you see that in a movie? Just talk to

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Speaker 1: your team. How many guys, twelve, thirteen guys come here?

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Speaker 1: We have to understand what's at stake here? Do I

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Speaker 1: have to tell you what's at stake here? Let's let's

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Speaker 1: be in this together. How do I gotta make adjustments?

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Speaker 1: Bear with me. We're gonna try to counter some of

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Speaker 1: the things that they did, and we're going to be

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Speaker 1: better in Game three when we go home and I

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Speaker 1: got to do my job better. Does that resonate a

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Speaker 1: Play the beginning part of that again here with Michael Malone,

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Speaker 1: they've had their way with us on both ends of

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Speaker 1: you never want to see. So I guess for Game three,

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Speaker 1: I may have a hard time coming over. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: that's I don't know where you're gonna find these guys.

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Speaker 1: Like you don't look down the roster and down on

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Speaker 1: the bench and go, oh my god, did you see

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Speaker 1: who showed up? Who's gonna play for us? No? You

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Speaker 1: know the roster here, but I didn't like it. I

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Speaker 1: didn't like when I heard it. But Michael Malone knows

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Speaker 1: his team obviously far better than I know the Nuggets.

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Speaker 1: I would just know that in a situation like that,

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Speaker 1: if a coach says publicly we quit, now, the media

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Speaker 1: opened the door, I'm allowed to ask you that coach

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Speaker 1: said you quit? Hey, joker, did you quit? Who quit?

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Speaker 1: Did you notice anybody quitting out there? I don't think

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Speaker 1: you want to go down that road. Yeah, because now

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Speaker 1: the whole series is going to be remember that time

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Speaker 1: the Nuggets quit, it's like, dang, that's yeah, it just

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Speaker 1: hangs there. Yeah, mcclub, Have the Bucks quit a little bit?

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Speaker 1: If you're the Bucks coach, are you thinking that? Like

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Speaker 1: what do teams quit? Because there's no way the Bucks

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Speaker 1: talent wise are that far bullet by? Well, that's okay.

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Speaker 1: There are times when you're just not good enough? Does

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Speaker 1: that mean you quit? But that doesn't seem like I

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Speaker 1: look at the rosters. This doesn't seem like times like

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Speaker 1: the Nuggets shouldn't be getting blown out? Should they? They

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Speaker 1: have the VP, I know, but it feels like it's

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Speaker 1: one on five. Yeah, they have a bunch of scrubs

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Speaker 1: just not good. Like Will Barton has been out seven

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Speaker 1: least trying. Michael Malone was happy with Barton's performance. He

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Speaker 1: says that it's embarrassing that a guy that hasn't been

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Speaker 1: able to play for seven weeks was out there leaving

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Speaker 1: it all on the line. I don't feel like anyone

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Speaker 1: else did. Somebody then asked the joker, did you quit?

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Speaker 1: And he says, I know, I didn't quit. He says

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Speaker 1: that maybe the Nuggets. He says he didn't feel like

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Speaker 1: bit there. Yeah, Paul, you could look at this and

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Speaker 1: everyone talks about defense and all this stuff and quitting

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Speaker 1: and trying. The Brooklyn Nets are shooting forty four percent

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Speaker 1: from three. Milwaukee Bucks are shooting thirty percent. The math

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Speaker 1: just adds up. If you could shoot threes, you're probably

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Speaker 1: to win. The Phoenix Suns are shooting thirty nine percent

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Speaker 1: from three, their second in the league free throw percentage.

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Speaker 1: Guess who the best teams are in free throw percentage

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Speaker 1: in the postseason? The Nets, the Clippers, the Suns, the Hawks.

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Speaker 1: You know the teams that are out. The Mavericks are out,

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Speaker 1: poorest free throw shooting teams. Oh, Mike Love, and you

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Speaker 1: got a pull question for me today. Yeah, so we

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Speaker 1: have a couple directions. What quick question on NBA? Is

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Speaker 1: it worse to have a lack of effort or a

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Speaker 1: lack of talent if you're a fan? Which is the

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Speaker 1: worst of the two scenarios. I I you can't create

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Speaker 1: talent like I can create effort. I think a lack

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Speaker 1: of talent that usually would be the deciding factor. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but there's nothing worse than watching a bunch of super

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Speaker 1: talented people not try. Guys who aren't very talented, but man,

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Speaker 1: they're working real hard. That's fun the way you're all right.

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Speaker 1: I could get behind these guys, but they're super talented

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Speaker 1: and they're not doing anything. Guy, what the hell? You

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Speaker 1: guys are supposed to be awesome. But I can't teach talent.

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Speaker 1: I can teach effort. I can't teach go out there

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Speaker 1: and be great. I'm not any good. I'm trying. I'm trying. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't quit like Fritzie when he plays basketball or Marrio.

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Speaker 1: They don't they play hard. They're just not any good. Wow, Yes, Tome,

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Speaker 1: I agree with Seaton. If you're not living up the expectations,

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Speaker 1: that's the most frustrating thing. If I'm watching a game

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Speaker 1: or especially my favorite team, and they've got a roster

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Speaker 1: that should be going far and they're just laying eggs

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Speaker 1: because it looks like they just don't care. I care

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Speaker 1: more than them sitting in my living room. That's far

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Speaker 1: worse than just the group that we have. Isn't that

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Speaker 1: good yet? Thank you, Todd. I don't know what it

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Speaker 1: looks like when a team quits, Like do they just

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Speaker 1: like drop their hands down that they try to miss shots?

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Speaker 1: They don't care, They blame each other, They point fingers,

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Speaker 1: They don't play defense. Like, what is quitting? What does

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Speaker 1: quitting look like? You're not diving on the floor. I look,

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Speaker 1: I was. I was fake hustle. I was fake hustle. Man,

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Speaker 1: I was because if I just wanted to get the

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Speaker 1: coach to notice me, and I could fake hustle like

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Speaker 1: the best of them. It doesn't matter. It wasn't any good.

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Speaker 1: But man, I that coach knew I was out there.

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Speaker 1: I'm playing hard coach. Yeah see, So what's the difference

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Speaker 1: between fake hustle and really hustling? Like, if the coach

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Speaker 1: for basically people to see, oh my god, did you

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Speaker 1: see what that guy did? But that's it sounds like

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Speaker 1: disingenuous hustle. Yes, and I led the league and disingenuous

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Speaker 1: hustle and no chance of that. I wanted to because

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to play defense, but I wanted the

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Speaker 1: coach to know that. God, I was trying so hard,

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Speaker 1: trying so hard. Be sure to catch the live edition

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Speaker 1: of The Dan Patrick Show week days at nine am

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Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app. Jeff Passon covers baseball for ESPN. He

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Speaker 1: joins us on the program, as we've been talking about

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Speaker 1: spin rate and doctoring the baseball. What's the illegal? What's cheating?

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Speaker 1: You got players calling out players. Pete Alonzo the met

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Speaker 1: says there's a conspiracy theory to keep down salaries in

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Speaker 1: certain years. Oh, Jeff, let's sort through this. When did

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Speaker 1: this become a story a decade ago? And I'm not

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Speaker 1: exaggerating when I say that, Dan, I wrote a story

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Speaker 1: when I was with Yahoo Sports. I think it was

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Speaker 1: eight years ago. Now. I wrote a story about how

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Speaker 1: pitchers are starting to use sunscreen and rosin in order

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Speaker 1: their hands. And I don't know if you remember this,

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Speaker 1: but Clay buck Holtz was pitching at Roger Center indoors

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Speaker 1: and had sunscreen on his arm. That's when you knew

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Speaker 1: there was an issue here. When Clay Buckles is running

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Speaker 1: his hands, his hands through his hair and he's got

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Speaker 1: certain guys that maybe because Quentin Tarantino is sports fan,

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Speaker 1: order for it to be booked and for the S

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Speaker 1: Network to be on cable systems, it has to be

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Speaker 1: some kind of connection to sports. So if he watched

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Speaker 1: the game, well say, okay, there's your connection to sports.

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Speaker 1: But Quentin Tarantino was fascinating and just to talk to

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Speaker 1: him and get into the process of how he wrote

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Speaker 1: the movies, and he writes the movies in long Land.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't even use a computer. That's kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: I find fascinating. So but they all have a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a connection to sports, for sure. What jumps

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Speaker 1: out if you said to people wanting to buy this

436
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Speaker 1: for Father's Day, the one interview you must read is

437
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Speaker 1: which one my favorite one of the two hundred and

438
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Speaker 1: fifty interviews he did was Larry David because I wonder

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Speaker 1: with some trepidation, because I was such a big fan

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Speaker 1: of Seinfeld and of Curb Your Enthusiasm, and I wondered

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Speaker 1: if I was going to get that Larry David. And

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Speaker 1: the remarkable thing is he is that Larry David, but

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Speaker 1: he's not as mean. You know, I'll tell you exactly

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Speaker 1: what he's thinking, But I think he takes a little

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Speaker 1: bit of the edge off in real life. Even said,

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Speaker 1: if I did the things I say in Curb, in

447
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Speaker 1: real life, people would punch me out, and you always

448
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Speaker 1: wonder on Curb when you're watching it, why doesn't somebody

449
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Speaker 1: hit him? And he realizes that. But from that interview alone,

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Speaker 1: then he and I become kind of friends, which I

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Speaker 1: think is remarkable. I have such great respect for his talent,

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Speaker 1: and he's just a great guy, and he is a huge,

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Speaker 1: huge sports fan. Yeah, we've had him on a few times.

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Speaker 1: And you're right, you're not quite sure what you're getting,

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Speaker 1: But there's part of you that hopes you're getting Larry

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Speaker 1: David from Curb. You're just not sure if that Larry

457
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Speaker 1: David's going to show up, and then you know, ultimately

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Speaker 1: it does in some form. You're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: that sounds like that would be an episode of Curb

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Speaker 1: Your Enthusiasm. The book is my most fascinating interviews from

461
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Speaker 1: a Rod to Jay Z. It's called Center's Stage. We're

462
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Speaker 1: talking to Michael Kay, the Yankee broadcaster, recap the week

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Speaker 1: that the Yankees have had so far. Well, obviously the

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Speaker 1: Red Sox series I think was very illuminating that this

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Speaker 1: is a team that has some issues, this is a

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Speaker 1: team that's kept the float because of pitching. Nobody thought

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Speaker 1: that their pitching was going to be this good. Everybody

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Speaker 1: thought that they'd hit over three hundred home runs and

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Speaker 1: they would slug their way to winning the American League.

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Speaker 1: The hitting has not been there, but the greatest tonic

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Speaker 1: for the New York Yankees over the last twenty years

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Speaker 1: Dan has been the Minnesota Twins. So they limp into Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: and the first two games in Minnesota everything you'd want

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Speaker 1: it to be. Yesterday stand hits two home runs, But

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Speaker 1: the biggest part of the week has to be the

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Speaker 1: Garrett call stuff, Josh Donaldson throwing him under the bus,

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Speaker 1: Garrett Cole being asked a direct question about what type

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Speaker 1: of stick him that he uses and kind of hems

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Speaker 1: and haws, and then yesterday he goes out and obviously

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Speaker 1: he's working without anything, if he ever has worked with anything,

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Speaker 1: and he's throwing one hundred miles an hour. So I

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Speaker 1: think that was the best way to answer it back.

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Speaker 1: Could Yankee pr have rescued Garrett Cole in that first

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Speaker 1: press conference? I was thinking about I hate the place blame,

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Speaker 1: but I think Scott Boris, who's his agent, and Garrett's

486
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Speaker 1: really bright. He's one of the brightest guys I've ever interviewed,

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Speaker 1: and Yankee pr maybe they should have sat together. This

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Speaker 1: question is going to be there. This is the way

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Speaker 1: you should answer, and it seemed like he was surprised,

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Speaker 1: and that surprised me. Why would you be surprised at

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Speaker 1: that question. That's the only question that anybody wants to

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Speaker 1: talk about. Then he tried to clean it up a

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Speaker 1: little bit, you know, after the game yesterday and said,

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Speaker 1: this isn't really the venue of the forum for it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm wondering, well, what is So he's gonna have

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Speaker 1: to answer that question at some point, and there's so

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Speaker 1: many ways he can answer it and not throw people

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Speaker 1: under the bus and not him died himself. But he

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Speaker 1: didn't go that your comments or your thought and this

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Speaker 1: is why I want to have you on. Josh Donaldson

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Speaker 1: said what he said about Garrett Cole and some other pictures,

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Speaker 1: and at least the inference was you were okay with

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Speaker 1: Garrett Cole throwing at Josh Donaldson. That was not the inference. Okay.

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Speaker 1: What I said on my radio show was God didn't

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Speaker 1: give me talent because he knows that I'm a vindictive

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Speaker 1: human being. I have a laminated list in my back pocket.

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Speaker 1: An so I said that if I happened to be

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Speaker 1: Garrett Cole, I didn't advocate for Garrett Cole to do it,

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Speaker 1: I would have drilled Josh Donaldson and the Ritz. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and then everybody took it and said that I said

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Speaker 1: that Garrett call should do it. Now Garret Cole shouldn't

512
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Speaker 1: do it. Because Garrett Cole is too imported to the Yankees.

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Speaker 1: He would be suspended. There could be a brawl, people

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Speaker 1: could get hurt, but sick. Michael Kay, if I was

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Speaker 1: on the mound, I would have done it. Let's run

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Speaker 1: down the list of people that you don't like, Mike, Oh,

517
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Speaker 1: there's so many. I don't know if we want to

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Speaker 1: go there. But there's a lot of people, you know,

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Speaker 1: radio and television columnists, I particularly just there. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people I really don't don't particularly have a party,

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Speaker 1: and let's put it that way. Um, there's this kind

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Speaker 1: of gray area though of if you put a pine

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Speaker 1: tar on something on the ball or whatever, like, that's

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Speaker 1: part of the game. But then if I put something

525
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Speaker 1: that's a little better than pine tar on it, then

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Speaker 1: I'm cheating. It's unwritten rules. Written rules like trying to

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Speaker 1: figure all of this out. You got pictures who were

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Speaker 1: dominating and used to be hitters were dominating. Now we

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Speaker 1: want to help out the hitters. And I'd liken it

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Speaker 1: to a game a teeter totter, a taffy pull here, Like,

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Speaker 1: what does baseball want to want to be? That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out. Well, that's the problem. Dan.

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Speaker 1: You could place to pick the blame on the pictures

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Speaker 1: and the hitters that did the steroids, but I think

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Speaker 1: major League Baseball is a little bit to blame. This

536
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Speaker 1: is a rule that's been on the books forever. You

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Speaker 1: can't have a foreign substance on the ball. It has

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Speaker 1: never been enforced ever. Now, all of a sudden, in

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Speaker 1: the middle of a season, you say you're going to

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Speaker 1: enforce it, and you put one of your biggest stars,

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Speaker 1: Garrett Cole, unfairly under the spotlight as the poster child

542
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Speaker 1: for this. I think it's wrong. I really do. Talk

543
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Speaker 1: to Al Wider yesterday said ninety five percent of people

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Speaker 1: who pitched in the Major League history use something on

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Speaker 1: the ball to actually get a grip. But what's happened now, Dan,

546
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Speaker 1: is that really smart people have come up with the fact,

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Speaker 1: if we really get a good grip, we could weaponize

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Speaker 1: it and increase our spin rate so that makes it

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Speaker 1: harder to hit, and then it becomes a weapon rather

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Speaker 1: than a tool. And that's where we are right now.

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Speaker 1: And Major League Baseball says that within a week they're

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Speaker 1: gonna start cracking down on it and they're gonna check

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Speaker 1: pictures up at ten times a game. Dan, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about piece of game. How's that going to be? And

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Speaker 1: the reason why this becomes a bigger story. ESPN grabs

556
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Speaker 1: ahold of it, and you got the Yankee star pitcher.

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Speaker 1: You know, if this is a pitcher with if this

558
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Speaker 1: is Madison Bumgardner, nobody cares. If it's a Twins pitcher,

559
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Speaker 1: nobody cares. It's the Yankees, and it's ESPN has picked

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Speaker 1: up this story. And now, I mean, I watched the

561
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Speaker 1: game last night just to watch Garrett cole on the mown.

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Speaker 1: That's it. I didn't care that you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: Stanton hit a couple of bombs. I wanted to see

564
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Speaker 1: his mannerisms like it's and not that this is why

565
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: we should watch a baseball game, but I did search

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Speaker 1: out to watch this game last night. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if baseball benefits, like there's any publicity. Good publicity work

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Speaker 1: with baseball right now. I mean that's the old adage,

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Speaker 1: right And I was off last night. I watched every

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Speaker 1: second of the game because I wanted to see how

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Speaker 1: he was going to pitch. And I think the only

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Speaker 1: thing that we got out of yesterday was when he

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Speaker 1: strug out Donaldson the first two times. There was that

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Speaker 1: small instant where he looked like he stared at him like,

575
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Speaker 1: here's your stick him, that sort of deal. But in

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Speaker 1: a way, if you could bring more eyes to baseball

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Speaker 1: games that might not have been there, that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: But I just get the feeling, Dan, I don't know

579
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Speaker 1: if you feel the same way. Baseball seems like it

580
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: shoots itself in the foot so much. It's such a

581
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Speaker 1: great game and it's purest form. It's such a perfect game,

582
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Speaker 1: but then we get moments like this where it embarrasses

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Speaker 1: itself and it's got to clean this stuff up. It

584
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Speaker 1: shouldn't weaponize all these rules and use them in collective

585
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: bargaining agreements and things like that. Well, we'll give you

586
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Speaker 1: the DH if you give us this, and we'll raise

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Speaker 1: the scenes on the baseball. If you give us that,

588
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't work. I mean, this should all be behind

589
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Speaker 1: the scenes where we don't see the dirty laundry. Who's

590
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Speaker 1: the person you're waiting to interview? Bruce Springsteen? Have you

591
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Speaker 1: ever interviewed him? No? I have not. Yeah, that would

592
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Speaker 1: be interesting. This is how close I came to interviewing

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Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen. Al Lder was with us in the studio

594
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Speaker 1: and Al was bragging that he had Springsteen's phone number,

595
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Speaker 1: and we're live on the air, and I said, would

596
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Speaker 1: you call Bruce? And Al dialed him up, and he

597
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: was really nervous because he's thinking, I may not get

598
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Speaker 1: to keep Bruce's going to change the number as soon

599
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Speaker 1: as I call. And he left a message for Bruce

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Speaker 1: Springsteen during our show saying, Hey, it's Al. I'm on

601
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Speaker 1: the Dan Patrick Show. Can you call me back. Basically,

602
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Speaker 1: we didn't hear back from Springsteen. That's as close as

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Speaker 1: I've come. I met Springsteen once in the Yankee Clubhouse

604
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Speaker 1: and he's walking by, and I never do this because

605
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Speaker 1: people want their privacy. I just walked up from because

606
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Speaker 1: I so love his music. I said, I just want

607
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Speaker 1: to tell you that you've written the soundtrack to my

608
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Speaker 1: life and he looked at me, go soundtrack to your life. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was good enough for me. Uh, Fritzie has Bruce

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Speaker 1: Springsteen impersonation. Since you're a big Bruce fan, Um, I

611
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Speaker 1: think you might enjoy this. This is if you close

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Speaker 1: your eyes, I think it's gonna sound like Springsteen or

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Speaker 1: maybe not. Okay, Todd, well, all right, come on, lefter

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Speaker 1: shit but a kist theodadball playbag in all right? Hell yeah,

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Speaker 1: So what do you think? Mike? Wow? Can I can

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Speaker 1: I book? Fritze? Good luck with the book, Michael. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: it's great talking to you again. Thanks so much. Dan.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeart Radio app. Cameron Kinley,

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Speaker 1: former Navy cornerback. I'll give you the backstory. Here went

622
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: undrafted team captain. He's the class president, gave the commencement

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Speaker 1: speech at the Naval Academy. Had an outside chance to

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Speaker 1: win a roster spot with the Buccaneers. He would be

625
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Speaker 1: a special teamer, maybe a fifth cornerback there. The Chiefs

626
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: also had an interest in him as well, and Cameron

627
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: told the Tampa Bay Times. He chose the Buccaneers due

628
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Speaker 1: to a family connection to coaches in the organization. His

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Speaker 1: father was a college teammate of one of the assistant

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Speaker 1: coaches on the roster, and his older brother played under

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Speaker 1: Bruce Arians with the Cardinals. So he was going to

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Speaker 1: try out for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and see if

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Speaker 1: he could make it as their fifth cornerback, a special

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Speaker 1: teams guy. But the Naval Academy said no to his request.

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Speaker 1: He was never trying to just leave the Naval Academy.

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Speaker 1: He knew he still had his military commitment. He was

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Speaker 1: going to try to defer that and Cameron Kinley joining

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Speaker 1: us on the program. Here tell me the process here though,

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Speaker 1: trying to play in the NFL with that military commitment.

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Speaker 1: What steps did you try to take to join the Buccaneers? Right, So,

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Speaker 1: in the summer of twenty nineteen, President Trump endorsed this

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Speaker 1: new policy I was just called the DTM, which allows

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Speaker 1: service academy graduates to request to delay their commission in

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Speaker 1: order to pursue professional sports. So you put together a

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Speaker 1: package and your school signs off on the package and

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Speaker 1: forwards it to the Secretary of Defense. So after I

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Speaker 1: was picked up by the type of bay buccaneers. We

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Speaker 1: got my package together and then the Naval Academy signed

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Speaker 1: off on it and forwarded it to the Secretary of Defense,

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Speaker 1: and then it was denied by the Acting Secretary of

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Speaker 1: the Navment. What reason were you given? I was given

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Speaker 1: no explanation and I was told that there is no

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Speaker 1: appealed process. Is that why you're doing the interview? You

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Speaker 1: could say that I just want to kind of give

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Speaker 1: my story out there because I feel like it needs

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Speaker 1: to be heard for sure. But yeah, it's definitely. It's

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Speaker 1: definitely been a tough couple of weeks trying to deal

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Speaker 1: with the situation. Are you allowed to ask for an explanation? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of the business that we're in in the military,

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Speaker 1: you know. I don't. I'm not owed an explanation. The

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Speaker 1: Acting Secretary of the Navy simply it was up to

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Speaker 1: his discretion to deny the package and not forward it.

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Speaker 1: That's just a part of the way the DTM works,

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Speaker 1: So he doesn't owe me an explanation. It would be

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Speaker 1: nice to have one and just give me a sense

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Speaker 1: of piece, but at the end of the day, I'm

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Speaker 1: not really expecting one. What kind of emotions do you have.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I found out, I was speechless, you know,

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Speaker 1: I felt like I had a piece of me taken away.

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Speaker 1: I just thought about all the hard work and all

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Speaker 1: that adverse that I had to overcome to get to

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Speaker 1: this point, and for someone to just take away my

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Speaker 1: childhood dream. It definitely hurts, you know, and it's emotions

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Speaker 1: that I'm still processing. I woke up this morning and

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Speaker 1: I just felt kind of sick, head heavy, So it's

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Speaker 1: definitely starting to take a toll. Long. What did you

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Speaker 1: hear from the Buccaneers. So my agents have been doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of the communication with the team. So if

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Speaker 1: things can get feature figured out by training cap, then

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Speaker 1: they're take me back. If not, then in two years

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Speaker 1: I'll be able to go back and try out as

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Speaker 1: long as I'm still on the military reserved list. Have

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Speaker 1: you reached out to Keenan Reynolds. He sent me a well,

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Speaker 1: he tweeted something now, just telling me to keep my

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Speaker 1: head up and to stay positive and that he feels

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Speaker 1: for me. But I haven't really talked to too many

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Speaker 1: other people who had success with the military and professional sports. Yeah, Cameron,

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Speaker 1: it seems random, you know, maybe you're not enough high

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Speaker 1: enough profile. You know, Kean Keenan was pretty famous. You know,

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Speaker 1: people thought maybe he was an Hesman Trophy guy. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know if if it's that that if you

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Speaker 1: you know, David Robinson famously was able to go to

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Speaker 1: the NBA, but he was high profile and it reflected

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Speaker 1: in a positive way on the Naval Academy. So I'm

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Speaker 1: just trying to process this as well. Can you understand

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Speaker 1: this or help me understand why one guy and not you. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the profile has anything to do with it,

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Speaker 1: because I look at last year, there are four undrafted

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Speaker 1: players from other academies that were able to use this package,

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Speaker 1: and then this year alone, there's also three players from

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Speaker 1: Air Force and a player from Army who all went

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Speaker 1: undrafted that have been able to use this policy. And

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Speaker 1: during the whole draft process, you know, I was able to.

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Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough to have different interviews with Good

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Speaker 1: Morning Football and ESPN, you know, so I felt like

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Speaker 1: I was bringing good publicity to the Navy and to

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Speaker 1: the Naval Academy, and then I went down to Rocky

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Speaker 1: MINNIICAP and had a good performance down there. So I

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Speaker 1: don't think the profile has anything to do with that,

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Speaker 1: I'd be curious to figure out what's the next step.

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Speaker 1: So I'm getting ready to I'm preparing for my career

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Speaker 1: as a officer in the Navy now. I'm currently on

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Speaker 1: my basket leave and that expires on June from the

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Speaker 1: eighth and then I head to Annapolis for a temporary

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Speaker 1: duties temporary duty assignment until October, and then after that

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Speaker 1: I start my career path as an information welfare community officer.

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Speaker 1: You need Tom Brady on your side here, Cameron. Maybe

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Speaker 1: nice if I could get TV to her to say something.

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Speaker 1: I definitely appreciate that, But I understand. Aren't you worried

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Speaker 1: about any repercussions doing this interview? It might happen, you know,

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I know where

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Speaker 1: my heart is and I know where I stand. I

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Speaker 1: feel like the common misconception is that I don't want

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Speaker 1: to serve, and that's never been the case, has never

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Speaker 1: ever been the case since I've been at the Academy

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Speaker 1: or else I would have transferred. You know, I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to serve as an officer in the Navy, and I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to that career. I just felt like I

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Speaker 1: had the opportunity to do both, and I don't see

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Speaker 1: why I'm not able to How many push ups can

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Speaker 1: you do right now? I mean I'm still an say,

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Speaker 1: I don't know the exact number, but if it's a competition,

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Speaker 1: I keep going too. If I said a hundred, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can knock out an I didn't mean to insult you.

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Speaker 1: Of course you could do a hundred yeah. I understand them.

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Speaker 1: Good luck with the fight here, Cameron. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We'll be following this and um, you know, I wish

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Speaker 1: you well because I can understand the frustration there if

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Speaker 1: you think you got something and you still want to

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Speaker 1: commit to the military and then it was taken away

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Speaker 1: from you. So good luck with the next step, whatever

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Speaker 1: that is. Yes, sir, thank you for having me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a sair. Be sure to catch the live edition of

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