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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I am Christian Seger. So,

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Speaker 1: no matter what culture you come from, you've probably heard

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Speaker 1: of the Great flood myth. Right, Yeah, it seems to

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Speaker 1: be a common trope. Just no matter what culture you

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Speaker 1: come from, there's some tale about floods, and often they're

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Speaker 1: catastrophic in nature. Yeah, exactly, they cleansy earth and re

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Speaker 1: rebirth everything, right. And Uh, in my situation, I remember

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Speaker 1: like being a kid, and I think my parents maybe

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Speaker 1: or maybe some other relatives gave me like an illustrated version,

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Speaker 1: like a kid's version of the Bible, and it had

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Speaker 1: like the Noah's Ark story in it. Uh. And now

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Speaker 1: nowadays we have like Darren Aronofsky's Noah movie, which I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen. You, I have not seen it either. I've

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Speaker 1: heard there's like some crazy stuff going on with like

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Speaker 1: my Suster design and stuff like that. Yeah. I think

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Speaker 1: they somehow worked the Nephelim into the story, so it

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Speaker 1: sounds interesting. I don't know why I haven't gone around

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Speaker 1: to seeing it, but it's everywhere. It's in our pop culture.

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Speaker 1: It's in our religion, it's in our kids books. And

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Speaker 1: that's not just here in America, right, it's uh, in

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Speaker 1: multiple cultures, as we're going to talk about today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it is pretty inescapable in Western culture, if

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Speaker 1: for no other purpose reason than of all the Christian

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Speaker 1: stories and Old Testament stories and you know, pretty much

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Speaker 1: any stories in the Abrahamic tradition, Like that's the one

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Speaker 1: that that little Children connected because it's got animals in it.

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Speaker 1: It's less a story about people. It's a story about

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Speaker 1: all these cool animals. And if they're more into vehicles,

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Speaker 1: it's got a big bode in it. And I was

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Speaker 1: just the other day that there's a guy. Have you

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Speaker 1: heard this story? You know, we probably should have pulled

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Speaker 1: this for this episode. Are you talking about the museum? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's been Yeah. Yeah, this guy who's rebuilding his own

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Speaker 1: version of the Ark basically, but it's Kentucky. It's yeah,

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Speaker 1: somewhere in the Midwest, I want to say. But anyway, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a guy who's like actually putting plans together to

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Speaker 1: build an arcs an ARC museum with actual live animals

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Speaker 1: don't think they're going to be able to do that.

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Speaker 1: And seven of all the clean animals. That's a detail.

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Speaker 1: It's often overlooked. If I remember correctly, I think it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the animals that will be there, basically like

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Speaker 1: the kind of animals you'd find like a petting zoo. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well he needs I think seven of each of them,

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Speaker 1: gotta have ones for the like the stock and of replenishing.

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Speaker 1: You have them from sacrifice, sacrifice and of course to

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Speaker 1: the eating problems. And you certainly go to zoos a

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Speaker 1: lot more than I do, so and and and petting

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Speaker 1: zoos at that right, Bastion, Robert's son is very into animals.

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Speaker 1: But but he's certainly has been into the Noah's Arc

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Speaker 1: stories like that. He's acquired a couple of books about it.

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Speaker 1: And and I remember as a kid, you know, thinking

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Speaker 1: They are all these wonderful picture, sometimes horrific pictures of

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Speaker 1: the flooding, and you you can't help but wondering how

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Speaker 1: would that work? How? How does is it possible that

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Speaker 1: an enormous flood could sweep across the entire world, didn't

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Speaker 1: without even getting into the questions of repopulating the earth

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Speaker 1: the the actual possible science behind the flood itself. Were

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of research, lots of research into this.

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Speaker 1: Now we are not going to get into a lot

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Speaker 1: But but but instead we're gonna we're gonna focus on

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Speaker 1: about massive floods and how some of these floods may

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Speaker 1: have informed, um, you know, this cultural legacy of catastrophic flooding. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: almost an entire discipline of geology that's based around looking at,

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Speaker 1: not confirming whether flood myths actually happened. But you know

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Speaker 1: big flood myth in uh in Western civilization, uh, that

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Speaker 1: so he gives Noah detailed instructions for a massive arc

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Speaker 1: a ven diagram. Uh. Yeah, he like partially came out

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00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: of those and then like created a whole another realm

424
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: where these giants, the ice giants live. I believe it's

425
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: David Montgomery of the University of Washington and who will

426
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: will get into more of his work in the second

427
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: half of this episode, but I believe he pointed out

428
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: that you see a lot of beneficial flood myths in

429
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: in African cultures and and and less in the way

430
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: of cataclysmic floods, which is interesting because in this we

431
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: see the geographic importance of the myth. We see the

432
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: geography informing the myth. What does a flood mean in

433
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: the geography of this particular people. Yeah, absolutely, uh, And

434
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: that's why you know, geographic studies in geological studies are

435
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: super important to sort of I guess backtracking and trying

436
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 1: to figure out where all of this came from. Cool, Well,

437
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: I have another one here, and this is from This

438
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: is from Chinese mythology. It's the has to do with

439
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: the great flood of Coon. You and this plays an

440
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: important role in in Chinese mythology, though it's often the

441
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: is often the case with the Chinese mythology, there's not

442
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: necessarily a lot of internal consistency here. Uh, and this

443
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: would have been a generation spanning flood. This is how

444
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: it ends up playing out. There's this big flood and

445
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: it's not really it's not divine punishment or anything. It's

446
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: just kind of a natural occurrence. It's not so much

447
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: something that God's inflict. It just happens, all right. So

448
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: humans are suffering, though humans are displaced, they're trying to

449
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: figure out how to solve the problem of all of

450
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: this catastrophic flooding. So you have this culture bear, this

451
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: important cultural hero named Goon or Coon, and he ends

452
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: up taking the divine self renewing soil from the gods

453
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: in order to save humans from the flood. Um, you know,

454
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: he's gonna build like damn works and whatnot. But he didn't.

455
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: He didn't wait for permission to actually obtain the divine

456
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's exactly it's a very much a prometheus myth.

457
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: He's punished for stealing the gift uh he depending on

458
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: which version you look at, he's either killed or he's

459
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: turned into a bear or some sort of a turtle creature.

460
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: There's at any rate he's taken out of the game

461
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: for this, but the gift is permitted to remain, and

462
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: the gods end up ordaining his son uh dar You

463
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: to continue his work with the divine soil. Only he

464
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: ends up deviating from his father's plans and finishing his

465
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: father's work. He constructs drainage channels, reconstructs earthen barriers, and

466
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: in the end he manages to defeat this the Great

467
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: Deluge and become emperor and founds the Shaya dynasty been

468
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: uhvy to sixteen hundred BCS. So this actually binds into

469
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: like legitimate history that we have records of. That's interesting,

470
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: yes and no, because you know, when you when you

471
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: begin going back further and further in Chinese history, you

472
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: see the you see myth and and actual history you know,

473
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: becoming one, which is I guess pretty much the case

474
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Speaker 1: with with most old cultures in society, certainly in Indian history.

475
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: You go back far enough, you're dealing with wars that

476
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: may or may not have actually happened, and then you

477
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: have to try and separate the from the react well,

478
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: and then even here you've got like Paul Bunyan and

479
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: Babe the Blue Ox, stuff like that that like supposedly

480
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: mixed in. I remember learning about that stuff when I

481
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: was a kid and thinking it was totally real. Well,

482
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're norse implications of day than to

483
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 1: believe there is. Somebody just wrote into us the other day,

484
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: by the way, about a mistake they said that we

485
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: made in an episode. We were talking about Johnny Appleseeds,

486
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: and they said Johnny apple Seed was actually based on

487
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: a real person. He was, Yeah, that's come up a

488
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: couple of times, and I honestly can't remember what we

489
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: even said about talking about EPs, legends and myth. We're

490
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: talking about ways of looking at mythology, and we're talking

491
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: about the difference between myth and legend and folklore. And yeah,

492
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: at any rate, if if there's any confusion on that, yes,

493
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: Johnny Appleseed was is based on a real person, so

494
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: it would be more of like a legend folklore as

495
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: opposed to be. But it becomes difficult when you start

496
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: going further and further back in time, because there's like

497
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: the snowball effect, right, Important individuals become wrapped up in

498
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,959
Speaker 1: our expectations and our ideas and our mythic and magical

499
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: understanding of the war old and if if there's a

500
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: real person at the heart of that snowball, you kind

501
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: of lose them after a while. Yeah, there was just

502
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: a study that just came out earlier this week that

503
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: we read about on Monday morning that was saying, you know,

504
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: basically that they had confirmed evidence that our memories are unreliable,

505
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: but not just our memories, but our memories of people

506
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: who have passed away. Right, So then if you extrapolate

507
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: that outwards to people who actually existed but we've never met,

508
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: it's it gets further and further unreliable the longer in

509
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: time we get away from them, right, So naturally we're

510
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: going to turn them into mythological figures. Now, these accounts

511
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: that we've given you, this is just a sampling of

512
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: global flood myths. Yeah, there are all kinds as well

513
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: that we're not going to dive deep into. But I'll

514
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: just give you a couple here. There's flood stories from

515
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: Fiji and Tahiti that say that giant waves struck the

516
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: islands there without any warning. Uh. In central Chili, there's

517
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: a story of two giant serpents that fought each other

518
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: by trying to lift the sea up to its highest point,

519
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: and this resulted in earthquakes and flooding. Tibetans of the

520
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: Sepango or maybe it's Sangpo Valley, they have a flood

521
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: myth that describes basically a giant glacial dam that breaks uh.

522
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: And then in the Pacific Northwest here in the in

523
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: the North America, native tribes tell a story that's similar

524
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: about thunderbird and whale. And here's where this gets interesting

525
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: and sort of is a nice segue for us into

526
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: the science part that we're gonna talk about here. Japanese

527
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: temples actually have records of a major earthquake that happened

528
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: in seventeen hundred and sent waves all the way to Japan. Now,

529
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: this earth earthquake presumably happened in the Pacific Northwest somewhere,

530
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: maybe in the ocean just off of it. This could

531
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Speaker 1: have been the event that created the myth of thunderbird

532
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: and whale and caused Native Americans that we're living on

533
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: the western coast to flee and move further inland. So

534
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: that's really like the beginning of what I guess we're

535
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: gonna refer to today as like geo mythology, which is

536
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: um taking a look at the mythology and then taking

537
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: a look at the records or or using science to

538
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: look at the actual land masses and figure out what

539
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: happened here thousands of years ago. Yeah, and it also

540
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: brings us back again to the notion that a flood

541
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: myth is going to be informed by what flooding looks

542
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: like to those people into that reagion. So here we've

543
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: looked at a few examples that are coastal and Pacific,

544
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: and those are of course going to be informed by

545
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: earthquakes and Tsunamis that sort of occurrence as opposed to

546
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: river lands, which are going to be formed out of

547
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, the experiences with rising uh water levels in

548
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: the rivers. Yeah, Like I didn't think about this until now,

549
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: but like imagine if Hurricane Katrina happened and we didn't

550
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: have like present day technology and information culture right, Like,

551
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: there would have certainly been crazy stories that spawned out

552
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: of an event that is as devastating as that, right, yeah, exactly.

553
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: I mean, what is the hurricane pane hurricane making landfall

554
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: other than a cataclysmic flood of epic proportions. That's the

555
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: kind of thing that will spiral out myths. Yeah, and

556
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 1: if you know, wow, this is dawning on me as well.

557
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: Even at the time, do you remember that there were

558
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: some people who were saying, like, oh, well, New Orleans

559
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: is being punished because it's a city of sin, and

560
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: of course this happened there because they're getting what they deserved,

561
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: which is like a horrible thing to say, But like

562
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: even in present day, people are cooking up stories like

563
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: that about these huge natural disasters. Well from a you know,

564
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: from a religious framework. I guess sometimes something an idea

565
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: like that, as awful as it is, is easier to

566
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: digest than the than the other reasons, right to get

567
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: down to why do horrible things happen on a particular day,

568
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: and that it's totally out of our control and where

569
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: nothing but gnats compared to natural disasters. So it took

570
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: quite a while for modern scientific understanding of her to

571
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: geological and biological history, to fully disengage from Western Christian

572
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: religious traditions, and to fully remove the sacred time frame

573
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: from the profane time frame. Uh. So we see the

574
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: earliest approaches to understanding Earth's history. We see those shackled

575
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: to this idea of an antediluvian world, a pre flood world,

576
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: uh within the periods of of a pre adamic and

577
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: edemic time. So it's all about like you know, Eden

578
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: and Adam and then the Great flood and Noah surviving it.

579
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: Like that is just interwoven with our early scientific understanding

580
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: of the world. And there's this kind of fascinating weave

581
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: of religion and science that happens in the Roman Catholic Church,

582
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: but in the other clergy as well, but primarily through

583
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: a guy named Nicholas Steno, And he's the seventeenth century

584
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: Roman Catholic priest who is one of the earliest known geologists.

585
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: He actually achieved three of the four steps to being

586
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: declared a saint, So this guy is very highly regarded

587
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: within the Catholic Church. Steno was one of the first

588
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: people to show that rocks tell their own stories, and

589
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: sometimes these stories either guide religious doctrine or they can

590
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: refute it, right, And in this instance he was referring

591
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: to the flood myth right. And so by the time

592
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: of Darwin, Uh, the clergy basically came to the understanding

593
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: with the field of geology and abandoned the idea that

594
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: a literal global flood had happened. Now, we were just

595
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: talking to our co host Joe McCormick about this before

596
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: we came in. Now, Joe said that there are like

597
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: some I guess creationist geologists who have said, you know, well,

598
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, we we disregard that. We do think that

599
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: there was a global flood, and you can see it's

600
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: markers here, here, here, and here, and like one of

601
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: the examples he gave us was the Grand Canyon. But

602
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: for the most part, the discipline of geology and even

603
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: many clergy members disregard that and think of it as

604
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: more of a metaphor or as being something that was localized.

605
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: Right that Uh, science, with what we have with science today,

606
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: it seems like it would be impossible for the world

607
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: to actually have experienced a global flood exactly. Yeah, there

608
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: are a number of reasons why this is is just

609
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: not the case. So for for starters. There is no

610
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: global culture in early human history, so there's no there's

611
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: no there's no internet in ancient Battlodian times. So if

612
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: there was a global flood, we have no way of

613
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: reporting it, you know, we would have to depend on

614
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: a divine being I guess to report it to us.

615
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: That would be the loophole to explain it. Also, um

616
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: if you of course, this is a big one here,

617
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: there's just not enough water in the earth system to

618
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: account for water levels to rise above the highest mountain

619
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: um uniformly rising level would not allow the water to

620
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: have the erosive capabilities that are often attributed to a

621
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: global flood. Particularly and you know in the Abrahamic tradition

622
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: and some rock formations millions of years old, they show

623
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: no evidence of large scale water erosion. The rocks are

624
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: not telling us that this is taking place. And then

625
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: of course there are a number of other cultural things

626
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: to think back on here, again coming back to the

627
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: idea that there's no global culture in early human history.

628
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: You look back to the earliest human empires and they're

629
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: all very regional. The Akkadian Empire and from three fifty

630
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: to b C. And modern Iraq and the following that,

631
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: the Hittite Empire, the Assyrians, they're all fairly localized, but

632
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: to them that was the world. The world was what

633
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: they knew, so it would make sense that, of course

634
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: this would be a world myth, even though they're unaware

635
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: that Japan exists. Right. And then the other big one,

636
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: of course, is that human society's early human co stures

637
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: they built up around waterways and waterways, flood, rivers, flood

638
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: uh ponds, flood lakes, flood the waves come crashing in.

639
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: There are tsunamis, there are hurricanes. So rising water levels

640
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: would be a pretty much a universal experience of any

641
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: early humans. So everyone would have the chance to experience

642
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: this and form their own myths about it, or certainly

643
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: to uh intercept another myth and make it their own. Yeah,

644
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: oh yeah, absolutely, as we have seen just today with

645
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: the Gilgamesh epic sort of morphing into the Noah's Ark

646
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: story that we know today. Yeah. Uh and this is

647
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: what uh this there's this term I U I threw

648
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: it out earlier, but I really like it. It came

649
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: up in the research. It's called geo mythology, and it

650
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: was coined by a woman named Dorothy Bataliano in the

651
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, and she was essentially trying to describe oral

652
00:35:54,920 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: storytelling that explains landforms that have been created by earthquakes, fires, floods, volcanoes,

653
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: diverting waterways, or even like the sudden emergence or disappearance

654
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: of islands. Right, these huge natural events. There is some

655
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: evidence that these are grounded in real events, but they're

656
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: connected to myth as well, so geo mythology. In the

657
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: case of the Great flood myth though, as we're saying now,

658
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: most people think that it differs from region to region. Yeah, So,

659
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: so the the the immediate take home here is that

660
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: while nobody is seriously considering the idea of a global

661
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: catastrophic flood, there's plenty of really cool science and really

662
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: cool research um that that applies to regional floods in history. Yeah. Uh.

663
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: And so this leads us to this book called The

664
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: Rocks Don't Lie by geologist David Montgomery, and he wrote

665
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: really a long interesting piece in Nautilus magazine that we

666
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: read for this episode that dives pretty deep into looking

667
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: at in particular, he was what was the part of

668
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: the world that he was in that he was describing

669
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: I believe to bet he was looking at at at

670
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: some Tibetan floodplaints and he was there, but then he

671
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: was extrapolating it outward to all these other regions that

672
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: had flood myths, and he's sort of our go to

673
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: on this. Yeah. He has a great quote from the

674
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: from that book. He said, if your world is small enough,

675
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: all floods are global. I keep coming back to that

676
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: again again. Uh. There's also another quote I want to read,

677
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: real quit from a man by the name of Irving Finkel,

678
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: curator at the British Museum and author of the book

679
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: The Ark Before Noah, Decoding the Story of the Flood

680
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: and another very interesting author. Stealing seriously with the subject matter.

681
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: He says, quote, there must have been a heritage memory

682
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: of the destructive power of floodwater based on various terrible floods,

683
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: and the people who survived would have been people in boats.

684
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: You can imagine someone sunbathing in a canoe, half asleep

685
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: and waking up however long later, and they're in the

686
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: middle of the Persian Gulf, and that's the beginning of

687
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: the flood story. Yeah, I'm thinking of there's there's an

688
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: episode of that Andy Daly Show review with Forest McNeil.

689
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that? I don't think it's really funny,

690
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: but that that happens in it. He goes to sleep

691
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: in a canoe and wakes up and he's actually in

692
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: the um what's the great Pacific garbage? He wakes up

693
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 1: there anyways, So yeah, David Montgomery really kind of pulls

694
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: it all together. But there's been a lot of geologists

695
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: who have looked at this over the years, right, So yeah,

696
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: David Montgomery is really like the guy who's been pulling

697
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: a lot of this together. And in particular, in two

698
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: thousand two, he did this analysis of the Spango again

699
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: sang Po River in the Tibetan Plateau, uh, and he

700
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,479
Speaker 1: found evidence in sediment layers that there was a great

701
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: valley that had formed in this you know, uh, or

702
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: there was a lake that had formed in this valley

703
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 1: centuries ago at once but number of times, right, yeah, yeah,

704
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: it apparently flooded several several times. Uh. Downstream, he found

705
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: evidence that a glacier on several different occasions advanced far

706
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: enough to block the river, creating a huge lake. But

707
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: since ice makes ununstable dam over time, the ice thins,

708
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: and then it finally gives way and antalicius this tremendous

709
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: torrent of water that just surges down to the deepest gorge. Now,

710
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: in Montgomery's book The Rocks Don't Lie, he makes arguments

711
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: that there's two centuries of evidence that the global flood

712
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: did not happen. Uh. First, as we said, there's not

713
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: enough water on Earth to account for water levels that

714
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: could even rise above our highest mountains. And secondly, any

715
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: uniformly rising level would have left erosive evidence rock formations

716
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: that are millions of years old. They don't show large

717
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: scale water erosion, so it's more likely that these were regional.

718
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: So his that's sort of his general thesis that he

719
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: keeps coming back to over and over again. So Montgomery

720
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: has actually written about that Pacific Northwest region as well

721
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: that I was talking about earlier. But this is different

722
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: from the thunderbird whale myth that I was talking about.

723
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: This is from ten thousand years ago, probably again caused

724
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: by melting glaciers. There's now evidence from geological research that

725
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: show displaced boulders and deep scores in the earth and

726
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: deep ripple marks on the prairies, all of which are

727
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: signs of what we refer to today as the Missoula Flood. Now,

728
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: these same floods likely eroded away Land that also created

729
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: the English Channel all the way on the other side,

730
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, a continent away. Uh, they made England into

731
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: an island. The myth connected to this, though, is different. Uh.

732
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: The Ojibwa Indians. They have a legend that a great

733
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: snow fell down and a bag containing the sun's heat

734
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: was breached when a mouse nibbled into it. The warmth

735
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: from the bag spilled over, melted all the snow and

736
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: produced the flood, and everyone drowned except for one old

737
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: man who was drifting around in a canoe rescuing animals.

738
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: Interesting again, we see that a particular geography of a region,

739
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: the particular weather of a region, playing into their own

740
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: particular flood myths. Yeah, I would imagine, Uh, if this

741
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: was Carl Young was in the room with us, he'd

742
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: be screaming about collective unconscious right now. Indeed, so all right,

743
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: we've got two, maybe three pretty big geological discipline studies

744
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: that have come out in the last i'd say thirty

745
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: years that have really gone deep, and literally by by

746
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: saying gone deep, they've literally drilled the deep into the

747
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: earth to find out what's going on with these flood myths. Uh.

748
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: And so the first of these are William Ryan and

749
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: Walter Pittman. That's right. These are these are geologists from

750
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: Columbia University, and in the nine they proposed that a

751
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 1: great flood in the Middle East resulted from rising water

752
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: levels at the end of the last Ice Age, that

753
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: would been about seven thousand years ago. At that time,

754
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: the Black Sea was a freshwater lake and the lands

755
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: around it were farmlands. When the European glaciers melted, the

756
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: Mediterranean Sea overflowed with a force of two times greater

757
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: than that of Niagara Falls, converting the Black Sea from

758
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: a fresh to saltwater body and flooding the entire area.

759
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: So the way these guys came to this conclusion was

760
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: they analyzed sediment cores from the bed of the Black Sea,

761
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: making them think that the sea used to be a

762
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: freshwater lake. The glacial ice melted at our poles, raising

763
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: the world sea levels, and this caused the huge inflow. Now,

764
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: this is where the world's earliest farming communities lived, as

765
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: Robert just mentioned, So maybe they're the ones who brought

766
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: this story to Mesopotamia. It then turns into the Gilgamesh legend,

767
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: which then turns into the Noah legend, which maybe then

768
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: travels to India. Who knows. Yeah, I mean that this

769
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: would have rapidly inundated odd plane occupied by some of

770
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: the world's earliest farming communities. They're traumat traumatized by the flood. Uh.

771
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: They bring these tales with them to new lands and

772
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: new culture. So perhaps the tail of the Great Flood

773
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: was essentially hard coded into the secret of agriculture. You

774
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: get one, you get the other, Okay. So other researchers

775
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: have since looked at sediment cores from the delta of

776
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: the Danube River, which empties into the Black Sea. Yeah. Indeed,

777
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 1: one of these studies was actually National Geographic Society explorer

778
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: Robert Bower, and he was inspired by Ryan and Pippen's hypothesis,

779
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: and he's discovered supporting physical evidence, including an underwater river

780
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: valley and ancient shorelines, as well as stone age structures

781
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: and tools beneath the Black Sea. His team was also

782
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: able to unearthed fossils that show now extinct freshwater species

783
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: dating back some seventy four thousand, sixty to fifteen thousand,

784
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: five hundred years. Wow. Uh, I'm wondering now, like looking

785
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: looking at this because it seems like he's connected maybe

786
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: to the Laurentide Eye a sheet hypothesis. Maybe he was

787
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: part of that team in two thousand seven as well.

788
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: Then we've got Bruce Massey, I think is how you

789
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: say his last name? Uh? And he has a comment theory. Um. Now,

790
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: he's an environmental archaeologist at the Lost Alamos National Laboratory

791
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: and he has his own theory. He thinks that more

792
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: comets and meteors have struck Earth than we're aware of,

793
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: which sounds reasonable. Uh, And that the great flood stories

794
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: all sprung out of a comet hitting the planet five

795
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: thousand years ago. This is rather perfect, right, especially when

796
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: you start looking at these models where the flooding is

797
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: a divine action. So here we see a cosmic body

798
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: actually plummeting to the Earth and causing the flooding. It

799
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: could it could be, although I wonder if guys like

800
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: Montgomery would argue with him and say, well, that's sort

801
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: of going back to a more global catastrophe rather than

802
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: a regional one. But basically his argument is that there

803
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: is a three mile or four point eight kilometer wide

804
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: commet that crashed into the ocean just off of the

805
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: coast of what we now call Madagascar, and this caused violent,

806
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: huge tsunamis and hurricanes that just basically wrecked the whole

807
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: planet because the superheated water vapor from the comet goes

808
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: up into the air along with aerosol particles. They're shot up,

809
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: they go into the jet streams and they just you know,

810
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: wreck havoc on the weather patterns. Now, he says he's

811
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: found evidence for this theory in ancient petroglyphs, drawings and

812
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: historical records. But then in two thousand four he gets

813
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: really excited because he thinks he's found physical evidence. He says,

814
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: a tsunami that's six hundred feet tall would of course

815
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: leave evidence on our geology. Well, he thinks that he

816
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: found evidence or another team found evidence, and he, uh,

817
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: you know, glommed onto this that in Africa and Asia

818
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: there are what we call chevron. So you think of

819
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: chevron like the gas station, it's kind of like they're symbol.

820
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: They're these wedge shaped configurations that come up out of

821
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: the sand. Now, the Holocene Impact Working Group found a

822
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: lot of these in that area with satellite imagery, and

823
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: he's connected onto that and said, well, this is evidence

824
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: of this comment theory that I have. The next step

825
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: for them is basically to go into these chevrons and

826
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: carbon date all the fossils that are within them to

827
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: determine if they were formed five thousand years ago. Right

828
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: around the time he's pitching that this comment landed. Well,

829
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: however it ends up playing out, I think it's a

830
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: fascinating theory. Yeah, it is. It's interesting it um. I

831
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess like in the face of all

832
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: these other geologists that we've we've read today that say

833
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: well it's probably localized because of this, this and this,

834
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: then to have a guy come along and say like, actually, no,

835
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: there's a super big comment man, Like, it sounds cool.

836
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: It sounds like an epic like movie. But I don't know,

837
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: it sounds a little too epic, that's the thing. It

838
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,479
Speaker 1: sounds like in a and I don't I'm not saying

839
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: this as a criticism of his research, No, I mean

840
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: it sounds like an epic idea to support a a

841
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: large scale flooding that has already been dismissed. Yeah, and

842
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: and to his credit. I don't want to make him

843
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: sound like a crackpot or anything, but to his credit,

844
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: he's actually coming up with evidence, and he's looking for

845
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: scientific evidence as well as cultural evidence. So I think

846
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: that's important. So wow, So we've got all these myths,

847
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: and then we've just looked through all of these geologists

848
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: and the science that they're working on. They're still drilling,

849
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: pulling sediment cores, analyzing what's in them, trying to figure

850
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: out what actually happened with water in our land masses

851
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: and the history of the planet. What if we've got

852
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: another flood coming. What if my prediction from earlier, what

853
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: if Noah's Noah's ark is actually like a prophecy. Well you,

854
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: depending on where you live in the world, that certainly

855
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: could play out. Uh. In two thousand fourteen, the inter

856
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: Governmental Panel and Climate Change released its fifth Assessment report,

857
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,479
Speaker 1: predicting that the oceans would rise by more than three

858
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: feet by the year that's enough to swamp many of

859
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: these cities along the US East Coast, for example. And

860
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: they're they're even more extreme estimates out there, and certainly

861
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: they have been made over the years, including a complete

862
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: meltdown of the Greenland ice sheet and that would push

863
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: sea levels to rise twenty three feet or seven meters,

864
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: and that's not to actually submerge London. Wow, okay, so yeah,

865
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about like the end of Spielberg and Kubrick's AI. Yes,

866
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: like the cities or underwater. Yeah, yeah, that would be unpleasant. Yeah,

867
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, based on most of the predictions we see

868
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: out there, rising water levels and the inevitable flooding of

869
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: coastal regions, that can be mitigated. Uh, you know, if

870
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: we get our craft together in time. Well, I love

871
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: coastal cities. I grew up in around a closet coastal

872
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: city at love to live near one again. Right now,

873
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: we live four hours away from the coast, so I

874
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: would imagine Atlanta's probably maybe Atlanta will become beachfront property.

875
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, I certainly hope that, you know, our

876
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: coastal cities don't get totally wiped out. But it it

877
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: does come back to just why these myths were so pervasive,

878
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: because humans have always lived in coastal regions. Humans have

879
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: always lived along rivers, They've made their life along rivers.

880
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: We've we've lived in many resources to yeah, we've lived

881
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: in this tenuous balance with the water that the in

882
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: some of these myths, the water and flooding itself kind

883
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: of takes on a divine um energy and it is

884
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: personified even in the the idea of river and flood gods.

885
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: And that makes sense that this this wrathful entity that

886
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: we depend on uh is also a great danger and

887
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: we see that no matter you know which age we

888
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: live in. Well, best case scenario, it ends up like

889
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: water World, right, and we're Kevin Costner swimming around and

890
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: riding on our catamaran. I can't believe I didn't think

891
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: about water World. Is there any land in water World?

892
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: There is that Well spoilers for water World from the end,

893
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: but that's the whole like mcguffin of the movie, is

894
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: that they're searching for the last bit of land that

895
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: supposedly exists and they find like a I mean, I

896
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: think it's an island at the end, but yeah, like

897
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: the little kid has like the tattoo of the map

898
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: on his back that shows how to get to the

899
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 1: I barely remember that movie, but yeah, the whole mission

900
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: is for them to figure out if this myth is

901
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: true and do they invoke Noah and the Great flood

902
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: at all, and I don't think they ever mentioned Noah

903
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: now that I think about it, although, like I said,

904
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: it's been a long time. I mean, I just remember

905
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: Dennis Hopper on the like oil ship commanding a gang

906
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: of like mad Max esque pirates. Um. Yeah, that's weird movie.

907
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: A lot of people bash that movie because of how

908
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: expensive it was, and it was kind of a flop.

909
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: But I loved it when it came out, and now

910
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: I want to see it. I've never seen it, in

911
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: large part because I remember when it came out the

912
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: media was at the time. I'm just completely said, oh

913
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: it's it's a disasters to gratulate. You don't see it,

914
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: And now it sounds rather attractive. It's not the worst

915
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: movie in the world. You you could do far worse

916
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: things with two hours of your time. All right, Well,

917
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: on that note, we're gonna go ahead and head for land.

918
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: On this one, we're gonna go ahead and um and

919
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: cling to the mountain side and let these the floodwaters

920
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 1: of knowledge recede. But hopefully we were able to provide

921
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: you know, in instance, you've got got to get your

922
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: feet wet and uh. In global flood myths in the

923
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: underlying science of large scale regional flooding in our past,

924
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, who knows, Maybe we'll discuss some

925
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: of the fringe your stuff in the future. Yeah, that

926
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: would be interesting. And if you know, I'd love to

927
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: hear from people out in the audience who maybe you

928
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: are you know, aware of some kind of cultural myth

929
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: that we missed that's that's really interesting related to floods,

930
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: or you live in an area that's been experiencing a

931
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: lot of flooding, uh, and you've got something to say

932
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: about that connected to this, we'd love to hear from you. Uh.

933
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: There's so many ways to get in touch with us.

934
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: We're on Facebook, We're on Twitter, We're on tumbler, we're

935
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,480
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936
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: We are below the Mind or some iteration thereof. On there,

937
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to find, uh. You look for beautiful

938
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: pictures of me, Robert and Joe McCormick. And the other

939
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: place where you can certainly find information on how to

940
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: contact us is our landing page, our Mother's ship, stuff

941
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,759
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942
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: to get in touch with us the old fashioned why

943
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 1: I just shoot us an email at blow the Mind

944
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:44,440
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945
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