Speaker 1: On the Doe Cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy Zef and best
Speaker 1: start changing it with the Beck dol Cast. Room Room, Room, Room, Room, Caitlin, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm starting up the engine. Oh that's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I see you hear it, because we're back. Because we're back.
Speaker 1: We took one week off for the first time. In
Speaker 1: you're very long room room. And also that is a
Speaker 1: little hint into something I would be talking about later.
Speaker 1: Room room. Keep that in mind. Room room. Oh my gosh, wait,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're referring to. I know
Speaker 1: will be a surprise for me. But when it hits,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like, oh, brother, and you're gonna roll
Speaker 1: your eyes. I was gonna say, you're gonna be so excited,
Speaker 1: but like, you're probably gonna be kind of annoyed. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Beck Doel Cast. It's twenty twenty two. My
Speaker 1: name is jab Loftus, my name is Caitlin Darante, and
Speaker 1: this is our show where we examine movies through an
Speaker 1: intersectional feminist lens using the Betel test as a jumping
Speaker 1: off point. However, we're not doing that specifically today because
Speaker 1: today is a special episode to kick off the new year.
Speaker 1: I think, very special episode. It's an after school special. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think we did the same thing last year and
Speaker 1: the year before, if I'm not mistaken, and probably other
Speaker 1: times throughout the the legacy of this podcast. No way
Speaker 1: of telling. We're not going to look there. We're entering
Speaker 1: year six of this podcast this year, which is wild,
Speaker 1: truly and so yeah at the you know, the end.
Speaker 1: In the beginning of the year, we like to take
Speaker 1: time to check in with ourselves, check in with our listeners,
Speaker 1: and uh kind of doing our version of a State
Speaker 1: of the Union, a town hall discussion, if you will.
Speaker 1: We invite all the ken Bones and do you remember
Speaker 1: Ken Baum? I do remember ken Bone. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about ken but I think he ended
Speaker 1: up being villainous. Oh no, wait again, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: check um. Today. We're doing a fun episode in which
Speaker 1: we are answering some questions from our listeners, but not
Speaker 1: to any listeners are s tre Elite gold Star listeners.
Speaker 1: Not to discriminate, but they are subscribers over at our
Speaker 1: Patreon a k a. Matreon. UM, truly such a fun community.
Speaker 1: So uh well, we'll plug that at the top. If
Speaker 1: you're a listener that is looking for more buckle Cast content,
Speaker 1: we do two additional episodes there on a fun theme
Speaker 1: every month, just episodes with me and Caitlin, kind of loose,
Speaker 1: kind of fun still the show. We asked our Matreon
Speaker 1: subscribers if they had any questions that they would like
Speaker 1: us to cover, and it's a fun, interactive community, and
Speaker 1: we got some fun questions this year. We certainly do. UM,
Speaker 1: so thank you to everyone who submitted a question. We're
Speaker 1: not going to have the time to answer all of them,
Speaker 1: but um, we really appreciate everyone who's submitted a question
Speaker 1: and your matronage and your matronage. We also, again, we
Speaker 1: have done a few of these Q and A episodes
Speaker 1: in the past, both on the main feed and as
Speaker 1: Matreon episodes. So if you submitted a question and we
Speaker 1: aren't answering it now, chances are we've already answered it
Speaker 1: in a past episode, so go back and listen to
Speaker 1: them all. Always be answering questions a back a reporter.
Speaker 1: That's what I say to people when I interviewed. I mean,
Speaker 1: look are our listeners are curious people, and we've got
Speaker 1: answers for you, and and there there were some there
Speaker 1: were some head scratchers. I think everyone was really firing
Speaker 1: on all cylinders. There's fun questions, there's hard questions, there's
Speaker 1: questions in between. So shall we get into it. Let's
Speaker 1: get into it a starting with this question from Marie asks,
Speaker 1: is it hard to watch movies just for fun? After
Speaker 1: five years of the cast? Any tips for how to
Speaker 1: just enjoy a sexist romp? Well? This this one actually, um,
Speaker 1: I had to take a beat with this question. What
Speaker 1: is what do you? What do you think? Because I
Speaker 1: think that I'm for me at least for the first question.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's like this I'm imagining like a
Speaker 1: sign wave in terms of like that journey of like
Speaker 1: it was hard for me to watch movies just for
Speaker 1: fun for a while, but now five years in, I
Speaker 1: have no problem doing it. I feel like you have
Speaker 1: to like, I don't know, I guess we've just been
Speaker 1: doing it for a while. But there are certain movies
Speaker 1: that like, especially if I'm like excited to see a movie,
Speaker 1: I won't watch it. Really with the Bechdel lens the
Speaker 1: first time I see it, I'm like, let me just
Speaker 1: see how this movie makes me feel, and then same shame.
Speaker 1: I'll go back and watch it again with the Beck
Speaker 1: dolens and see if paying attention with an analytical eye
Speaker 1: changes how it made me feel the first time I
Speaker 1: saw it. Yes, make sense, of course, because I do
Speaker 1: something pretty similar. I I mean, unless something is very
Speaker 1: blatantly like I mean, if it sucks, it sucks, and
Speaker 1: if it's misogynist and racist or whatever it is, and
Speaker 1: it's really obvious, it's like, well, yeah, shut it off, right,
Speaker 1: We're right, um. But if I'm just watching a movie
Speaker 1: for fun and not because I'm prepping for an episode,
Speaker 1: I usually just go in with a kind of a
Speaker 1: neutral point of view, not analyzing it for anything in particular,
Speaker 1: and that usually allows me to experience the entertainment value
Speaker 1: of a movie. Because I don't want this podcast to
Speaker 1: ruin the idea of movies for me, and so far
Speaker 1: it hasn't, which I'm very grateful for. There's also an
Speaker 1: interesting thing about our jaw, which is that it's super fun.
Speaker 1: Our job is to watch movies and talk about them.
Speaker 1: That's a very fun thing to do, and so it
Speaker 1: can be kind of hard to separate our job from
Speaker 1: like leisurely watching a movie or again, it was it
Speaker 1: was hard for me at first because like my main
Speaker 1: hobby is watching movies. So I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: like now that I've blended these two things, like, am
Speaker 1: I ever going to be able to enjoy movies again?
Speaker 1: But I've found that it hasn't been that much of
Speaker 1: a challenge for me, so as far as like tips
Speaker 1: on how to just enjoy a sexist romp. And this
Speaker 1: is gonna be for for me, Like for it'll be
Speaker 1: movies that I already loved. That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: It's like, and it's going to be different for I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously we're not telling you how to live your life.
Speaker 1: This is just our opinions. But yeah, it's like I
Speaker 1: there are certain movies that it's like, uh yeah, and
Speaker 1: I've been watching this movie my whole life, like if
Speaker 1: there's I mean, I feel like Back to the Future
Speaker 1: is a perfect example of that for you. It's like
Speaker 1: there's obviously gigantic, enormous red flags all over that movie,
Speaker 1: all over Indiana, jus all over you know, like all
Speaker 1: these famous movies and I think it just depends on
Speaker 1: how long it's been with you. Have you like put
Speaker 1: in the thought to like what the what the damages?
Speaker 1: Do you understand the problems, and then ego from there
Speaker 1: it is tough, I mean, And and again it's like,
Speaker 1: this doesn't This isn't something that I have had any
Speaker 1: issues with with movies that I'm seeing recently, because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really enjoy any sexist romps that I'm seeing
Speaker 1: for the first time. Yeah, exactly. So if it's a
Speaker 1: movie that I'm coming into fresh and it's a sexist romp, yes,
Speaker 1: doing this podcast has made me not be able to
Speaker 1: enjoy that anymore. But the movies that I already loved
Speaker 1: that many of which we've covered on the podcast, and
Speaker 1: I've had to really grapple with like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is horrible looking at it through this lens, but
Speaker 1: I still love it that I can to help it.
Speaker 1: I think it's a willingness to do the grappling, and
Speaker 1: it's a willing to like examine the era was released
Speaker 1: into and what was tolerated and why it was tolerated,
Speaker 1: and who is harmed when stuff is tolerated And and again,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like just be willing to do
Speaker 1: the work and then see how you feel. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I guess my last tip would be, like, if
Speaker 1: you're watching a movie with friends or something like that,
Speaker 1: something I do because I've got friends, I've heard of them,
Speaker 1: and I watched movies with them. I've seen it. You've
Speaker 1: been there. I've been there countless times. Not as a friend,
Speaker 1: just as an observer. Yeah, I say, Jamie, you can come,
Speaker 1: but you have to sit in the corner and observe
Speaker 1: and then Cayleys and you're not my friend. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: a real monster. Yeah no, But like part of the
Speaker 1: enjoyment of watching like an older like sexist romp is
Speaker 1: like us having the discussion or like calling it out
Speaker 1: and kind of like poking fun at it during it
Speaker 1: and like right when you're watching it. Yeah, that's just
Speaker 1: like a way in which I find viewing movies like
Speaker 1: that to be enjoyable and productive. So that's my big tip.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I totally agree. Yeah. I think it's
Speaker 1: it's like have the discussion with your like with yourself,
Speaker 1: have the discussion with your friends. Same guys. For we
Speaker 1: had a few listeners, say I have young children, who
Speaker 1: I kind of want to expose them to the movies
Speaker 1: that I loved growing up, but they don't age well,
Speaker 1: so like, should I just not expose them to those
Speaker 1: movies at all? Or should I? And then we like
Speaker 1: have a discussion about it if it were I mean,
Speaker 1: it's entirely up to each individual. We're famously parents, so
Speaker 1: I feel right happy way. I'm famously amazing at rearing
Speaker 1: and raising children, so I'm not coming at this from
Speaker 1: a parents perspective. But if it were me, I think
Speaker 1: I would like show kids movies I loved, but then like,
Speaker 1: either during or right after, have that discussion about it, like,
Speaker 1: oh did you notice this? Let's talk about how that
Speaker 1: is harmful, or like you know how it could have
Speaker 1: been handled handled differently, things like that, And honestly, I
Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of cases at least and
Speaker 1: again I'm not a parent, but of my many friends
Speaker 1: I do have kids, I have a lot of friends
Speaker 1: who will show their kids, you know, their favorite movies
Speaker 1: from when they were a kid that have problematic elements,
Speaker 1: and the kids have no interest in it, and they
Speaker 1: don't even want to talk about it because they don't
Speaker 1: want to see it again because kids movies are operating
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, thankfully on a higher level now,
Speaker 1: and I mean not in every single way, but there's
Speaker 1: you know, I again, it's just I think it's like,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, it's a willingness to have the discussion.
Speaker 1: And is your you know, is your kid at an
Speaker 1: age where they're able to have the discussion with you
Speaker 1: and they're not just sponge braining, um things spongebraining? Sure, yep, no,
Speaker 1: I understand exactly what you mean. Thank you for the question, Marie.
Speaker 1: I hope. I think I think we think we've covered it.
Speaker 1: I think we nailed it. Our next question comes from
Speaker 1: Jesse h. Jesse says we love the growth the pod
Speaker 1: has seen, especially the pivot from hobby to job, from
Speaker 1: hobby to jobby. Um. Jesse asks, what is the biggest
Speaker 1: gift you got from the pod? How do you define
Speaker 1: success with the pod? And what do you think the
Speaker 1: pod will look like in five years? Oh, baby, Jesse,
Speaker 1: thank you for the vote of confidence that Caitlin and
Speaker 1: I will be alive in five years. Honestly, let's start, Okay,
Speaker 1: biggest gift you got from the pod, I think easily
Speaker 1: friendship with you and and having a friend for life,
Speaker 1: and also just like getting to meet so many wonderful
Speaker 1: people through the podcast has been so personally fulfilling and rewarding.
Speaker 1: And all of our guests are so wonderful and generous
Speaker 1: and kind, and Sophie lictive, and our producers amazing, Aristotle
Speaker 1: asavadour producer is amazing. We love the people we work
Speaker 1: with like we're very, very lucky. And then I think
Speaker 1: for me that the gift has also been because I
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, I guess at this point you
Speaker 1: kind of might not even know this unless you've been
Speaker 1: listening to the show for a long time. But when
Speaker 1: we started doing the show, I had not I did
Speaker 1: not consider myself a film lover. I had not seen
Speaker 1: a ton of movies. And I feel like doing this
Speaker 1: show has really not just broadened my horizon in terms
Speaker 1: of perspectives and ways of looking at movies. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of like growing your brain with the community, which is
Speaker 1: also a huge thing. Our our listener community is a
Speaker 1: huge gift. Um, getting to talk to you all and
Speaker 1: like hear your thoughts and yeah, your perspectives has been
Speaker 1: so awesome. Um. And also I've just seen like literally
Speaker 1: hundreds of fun movies, Like there's very little downside to
Speaker 1: this job. As I was saying earlier, yeah, we have
Speaker 1: a really fun job. We're super lucky brag. Yeah, very lucky. Yes,
Speaker 1: I completely agree with all of that. And I'll just
Speaker 1: like piggyback a little bit further and say that the
Speaker 1: feedback that we get on the podcast both people being like,
Speaker 1: you're amazing, thank you so much for this, blah blah
Speaker 1: blahlah blah. No, but like what I really mean is like,
Speaker 1: what do you okay? Let me going into full on
Speaker 1: bragg territory, Like my favorite part would be when people
Speaker 1: say I'm so amazing what I mean. What I mean
Speaker 1: is the feedback we get when people say that this
Speaker 1: podcast has opened their eyes about representation and that they
Speaker 1: see media in a whole new way and that they've
Speaker 1: just learned a lot. And I think what people might
Speaker 1: not realize that much as like we are both on
Speaker 1: that journey of learning just as much as our listeners are.
Speaker 1: I mean, for sure thanks to other feedback we get,
Speaker 1: which is listeners saying like, hey, have you considered this?
Speaker 1: There's other tropes that you might not be familiar with.
Speaker 1: There's other there's other movies that you maybe haven't heard of,
Speaker 1: Um check these movies that you know, just like the
Speaker 1: feedback we get both like positive reinforcement and constructive feedback,
Speaker 1: those are like incredible gifts that we get from the podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's there's nothing but gifts were very very lucky.
Speaker 1: And so I guess in terms of how you to
Speaker 1: find success with the pod, I mean that is such
Speaker 1: a such a murky question. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's honestly like success with the podcast for me,
Speaker 1: it looks like are people enjoying it? Are people engaging
Speaker 1: with it? Are people listening? You know, like we're trying.
Speaker 1: You know, it's I think we've had pretty consistent listenership
Speaker 1: over the years, which, um and that is like grown
Speaker 1: also and and so that is very lucky and very cool.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I think it's just sort of
Speaker 1: like are y'all happy? And are we bringing new people in?
Speaker 1: And you know, I think we've been kind of like
Speaker 1: a slow but steady, kind of consistent show and I'm
Speaker 1: very happy with that. Yeah. One of my favorite little
Speaker 1: anecdotes is our first ever live show had like twelve
Speaker 1: people in the audience. One of whom was my mom,
Speaker 1: one of whom was your mom who was actively very
Speaker 1: disrupted hitting on the guest. And and then one of
Speaker 1: the most recent live shows we did, which was also
Speaker 1: like two years ago because of COVID ever heard of it? Uh?
Speaker 1: But um, there were more people there. There's I mean,
Speaker 1: we we sold out like a three hundred. We'll say
Speaker 1: we've yeah, we've played some pretty big rooms folks, Okay
Speaker 1: for a podcast. Yeah, so that's what we would like
Speaker 1: to continue doing. So I guess what we're saying is,
Speaker 1: if you enjoy the show, tell your friends friends, uh,
Speaker 1: and then what what do you think the prop will
Speaker 1: look like in five years? Both of you to ask
Speaker 1: a question that involves time, because we don't fucking no.
Speaker 1: I hope, I mean, I hope we're still doing it.
Speaker 1: I hope we're still doing it. I hope we're still happy.
Speaker 1: We hope we're still having fun, and we hope you're
Speaker 1: still having fun. Oh my gosh. And that's my answer.
Speaker 1: My answer is I think we will have done at
Speaker 1: least five more Titanic episodes. That's five years. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a given. That's a given. For every year the
Speaker 1: show lives, another Titanic episode is just dated. That is true.
Speaker 1: So that's not even that wasn't even a bold statement. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll let me change it. Fifty more Titanic episodes. Okay,
Speaker 1: then we do it well, lose every subscriber we have,
Speaker 1: and then we can finally sink into the walk into
Speaker 1: the ocean and rejoined our friends at the bottom of
Speaker 1: the Atlantic. Wow. No, I mean I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: They we hope, we hope we're still around. We hope
Speaker 1: we're still having fun. I hope, I just hope we're Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're we're still having fun. We're still growing and learning
Speaker 1: because this is a constant process and there's always much
Speaker 1: to learn. There's always much to learn. Yeah, and we
Speaker 1: want to keep learning new ship and talking about fun movies.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jesse. Good question. Indeed, Burham asks you recognized
Speaker 1: that you hadn't been as intersectional as you could have
Speaker 1: been in your assessment of representation. How do you think
Speaker 1: you fared on this front in will you do anything differently?
Speaker 1: In too? I mean, similar to what we were just
Speaker 1: talking about. Is just a matter of like, yes, we've
Speaker 1: learned along the way, but there's always room to learn more.
Speaker 1: I do think we made good on a promise to
Speaker 1: analyze things more intersectionally, because it very clear that it
Speaker 1: was necessary for us to do and and and and
Speaker 1: I yeah, I'm I'm happy with um the strides we've taken.
Speaker 1: We could certainly always do more, and it's our intention
Speaker 1: to to do more and continue on that. And that's
Speaker 1: something that we're always open to feedback on and we
Speaker 1: hope that that, you know, it's it's clear to our
Speaker 1: listeners that the line of communication is very open there
Speaker 1: as well as with our guests. Absolutely, I think we
Speaker 1: made we made a lot of necessary improvements in our
Speaker 1: approach and in the kind and in the movies we
Speaker 1: were covering in general. UM, We've talked about this many times,
Speaker 1: but it was I think part of the adjustment was
Speaker 1: also making sure that we were balancing movies that are,
Speaker 1: you know, highly demanded by our listeners, and also making
Speaker 1: sure that we're bringing new voices into this discussion, making
Speaker 1: sure that we're covering classic movies that are not just
Speaker 1: directed by white guys. There's plenty of them, and that's
Speaker 1: something that we are continually working on. And we were
Speaker 1: just having a discussion the other day about kind of
Speaker 1: how that's going to play into our UM our movie load, gross,
Speaker 1: our movie load. For there's got to be a better
Speaker 1: way to say that movie selection, maybe our roster. I'm
Speaker 1: sticking with load. Sticking with load. But that is a
Speaker 1: part of our intent and discussion. It has been for
Speaker 1: a couple of years now in a way that it
Speaker 1: honestly wasn't in a way it should have been when
Speaker 1: we started the show. So always open to feedback about it,
Speaker 1: and UM as always you know, we I posted about
Speaker 1: it on Twitter the other day. And also you know,
Speaker 1: there's our spreadsheet is always open to your requests. So
Speaker 1: if there are movies by um, not white guys, by
Speaker 1: by women, by non binary filmmakers, by trans filmmakers, by
Speaker 1: black filmmakers, by brown filmmakers, but you know, but by
Speaker 1: what movies you want to see, we want to know
Speaker 1: about and UM we want to find guests that want
Speaker 1: to talk to us about it and that we can
Speaker 1: have a cool discussion about. So I think we're just
Speaker 1: going to stay the course for this is the plan.
Speaker 1: I agree, Thank you. Burn. Indeed, let's take a quick
Speaker 1: break and then we will come back and answer more
Speaker 1: questions and we're back. UM, we have a question from
Speaker 1: Nuala here. I hope I'm saying that correctly. They ask
Speaker 1: would you consider a neurodiverse aspect to your analysis of films?
Speaker 1: Loving films is often a big part of being autistic
Speaker 1: for various very interesting and fun reasons. But I struggled
Speaker 1: to find explorations of film that even consider a neuro
Speaker 1: atypical viewpoint, let alone involve it in an intersectional way.
Speaker 1: Love the podcast as you take a multifaceted approach to
Speaker 1: what feminist movie criticism looks like. A neuro diversity is
Speaker 1: another interesting facet of the feminist film criticism. Titanic, Heart
Speaker 1: of the Sea Diamond first of all, stuck the landing
Speaker 1: on the question, really know how to to to really
Speaker 1: serve it to us, steaming hot on a platter. Thank you.
Speaker 1: This is an excellent question, and I think it's something
Speaker 1: that we um This is an aspect of the show
Speaker 1: that we really could do better with. Yes, And I
Speaker 1: think it will mean bringing on guests who are neurodiverse
Speaker 1: and selecting movies that will generate an interesting discussion as
Speaker 1: far as neuro diversity is concerned. And yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of us, like making more of
Speaker 1: an effort to include that in our analysis us as
Speaker 1: far as the films and the guests and just applying
Speaker 1: neurodiversity as a lens by which where analyzing movies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was very, very excited to see this question. This
Speaker 1: is like the exact thing we were just talking about.
Speaker 1: Actually going back to Burns question, is when our listeners
Speaker 1: bring up questions like this, sometimes Caitlin and I are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, and it, you know, almost immediately becomes part
Speaker 1: of the discussion when we are setting up our next
Speaker 1: kind of loads of movies to talk about um and
Speaker 1: and this is like, this is an excellent reminder that
Speaker 1: this is something that we have had discussions about in
Speaker 1: the past. Certainly, I think we've we've certainly had neurodivergent
Speaker 1: guests on the show, and we've talked i think several times,
Speaker 1: not as much as we should, but but several times
Speaker 1: about neurodivergent coded characters and kind of how that can
Speaker 1: play out in movies and kind of the further you go,
Speaker 1: the less easy it is to to do the analysis
Speaker 1: and have the discussion, but their important discussions to have,
Speaker 1: and that's something that I'm I'm really interested in continuing
Speaker 1: to do this year and actually make you know more
Speaker 1: of a concerted efforts. So thank you new all that
Speaker 1: that is I think a reminder we needed. So yeah again, listeners,
Speaker 1: if you have any specific requests or guests suggestions, we
Speaker 1: are very open to it all years. Thank you for
Speaker 1: your question. The next question comes from Sharry Sherry, not
Speaker 1: exactly sure how to pronounce your name, so apologies. They
Speaker 1: ask how much do you think the changing of tides
Speaker 1: for modern movies to have more and better representation is genuine?
Speaker 1: And how much is it just performative or marketing? But
Speaker 1: also doesn't matter what the intentions are if the outcome
Speaker 1: of having more and better representation happens either way. Another
Speaker 1: great question. This is a fascinating question that we could
Speaker 1: not possibly answer with any real authority. However, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I can. I think about this a lot, and I
Speaker 1: feel like it is I don't know why. I mean,
Speaker 1: I bring up that like weird Supreme Court quote a
Speaker 1: lot where it's like I know it when I see it.
Speaker 1: It's I do think that there is a lot of
Speaker 1: performativity in general, as it pertains to representation of many
Speaker 1: different kinds, and again it has a lot to do
Speaker 1: with I think, uh, you know, one form of performativity
Speaker 1: is when there is representation in front of the camera
Speaker 1: and not behind. I think that there's a lot of
Speaker 1: performativity when you know you're kind of doing the very
Speaker 1: very baseline of like, look at this character who is
Speaker 1: not a white guy, and then failed to treat that
Speaker 1: character as a person, or you know, just exploit the
Speaker 1: elements of the character that are not I guess, quote
Speaker 1: unquote the norm that we see in movies. You know,
Speaker 1: characters that are there but are sidelined, or there but
Speaker 1: are there to support the you know, white straight lead.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of hollowness and it's still I
Speaker 1: mean very much so like now right, But then there's
Speaker 1: also there will be like executives, you know, studio executives
Speaker 1: who are like out of touch, rich white men who
Speaker 1: are like, oh, diversity seems really in right now, let's
Speaker 1: like try to fill a quota or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: because I see it in those terms, right, we have
Speaker 1: to fill a quota. We have to like you know,
Speaker 1: give this many shows or green light these many movies
Speaker 1: that are going to tell the public like we care
Speaker 1: about diversity. But then when creators who are women, people
Speaker 1: of color, queer people, and so on, are then given
Speaker 1: opportunities to tell their stories and given funding to tell
Speaker 1: their stories. Then we get representation from the creators that
Speaker 1: we want to see telling their own stories, even though
Speaker 1: it did come from a kind of like performative. So
Speaker 1: I think that's like the question of, like does it
Speaker 1: matter what the intentions are if if the outcome does
Speaker 1: mean better representation, it's like it does still matter, Like
Speaker 1: it does still matter that the slog of capitalism, which
Speaker 1: is what it goes back to, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: we can trace it all the way up and you
Speaker 1: know colonial you can, we can trace that line, right,
Speaker 1: And I think it does matter because that fucking sucks
Speaker 1: and it creates a a I don't know, like this
Speaker 1: kind of like void of like we should be grateful
Speaker 1: to see as much representation as we do when obviously
Speaker 1: that's not the case. And and it just kind of
Speaker 1: by the question of, like, well, can these executives, you
Speaker 1: know die, I don't know, like can we get some
Speaker 1: new people in here? But but I do think it's
Speaker 1: like like your sand culin the demand from viewers and
Speaker 1: as poison and evil as the internet is they think
Speaker 1: the Internet has done a lot to push these conversations forward. Um,
Speaker 1: very double edged sword, as anyone listening very likely knows. UM.
Speaker 1: But I do think that, you know, getting to interact
Speaker 1: directly and make it really clear of like this is
Speaker 1: what we want has made a difference. I wish that
Speaker 1: it made a quicker difference. I wish I had made
Speaker 1: a less cynical difference. I wish that it was making
Speaker 1: a less money motivated difference. Unfortunately, we live in a
Speaker 1: society and it fucking sucks. So I don't know it's
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, that's a really difficult question. I
Speaker 1: feel like you kind of answered it in a way
Speaker 1: in the second question, where it's like the outcome is
Speaker 1: having more and better representation and that is ultimately a
Speaker 1: good thing, and that ultimately, I hope, sets a bedrock
Speaker 1: of like we're creating a new bare minimum that will
Speaker 1: hopefully continue to build and build and build, and that
Speaker 1: is positive. But it's just frustrating that it has to
Speaker 1: be done that way. But the way we talk about
Speaker 1: like stepping Stone movies that are not great by our
Speaker 1: very current standards, but we're ahead of their time and
Speaker 1: kind of paved the way for better representation. I guess
Speaker 1: we're in like a stepping stone era where like the
Speaker 1: intentions are often motivated by money and capitalism, but I
Speaker 1: think will end up paving the way for a media
Speaker 1: landscape that isn't so motivated by like, oh, diversity is
Speaker 1: so hip right now, so let's do that because it'll
Speaker 1: make us money. It I think we're just in this
Speaker 1: like era of ushering in better representation the will come
Speaker 1: from a more earnest and genuine place and not be
Speaker 1: so motivated by capitalism. Yeah. I mean, we may be
Speaker 1: fucked in that regard um, however, but I do think
Speaker 1: it's like it's and and again it's as consumers that
Speaker 1: we are kind of empowered to some degree to ask
Speaker 1: for what we want and hope and sometimes we get
Speaker 1: it and sometimes we don't. I hope that, you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's generally a good thing when you
Speaker 1: can look back several years in like media landscape and
Speaker 1: like film landscape and like cringe at what you were saying,
Speaker 1: because that means that growth has taken place. And I
Speaker 1: do think we can say that for the past couple
Speaker 1: of years, you look back on the fucking crumbs we
Speaker 1: were taken in. You know, there has been changed, there
Speaker 1: has been growth. I am generally optimistic and still a cynical,
Speaker 1: annoying capitalist structure. I was actually going to say the
Speaker 1: same thing too. I forget which question this was for,
Speaker 1: but when we were talking about, you know, like, we're
Speaker 1: growing and we're learning and as far as like the
Speaker 1: podcast goes, if I go back and listen to an
Speaker 1: episode from three years ago, chances are I'm cringing because
Speaker 1: we were like, I was like, oops, we forgot about
Speaker 1: this thing, or we like, you know, things that we
Speaker 1: failed to notice, things that we overlooked back then that
Speaker 1: we pick up on much more easily. So, yeah, the
Speaker 1: whole thing landscape is changing. It is, and I hope
Speaker 1: it will continue to. I've been like, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's been so much good stuff that's come out in
Speaker 1: the past couple of years, which I you can't always
Speaker 1: say it's very exciting. We're living in the worst of times,
Speaker 1: but in some ways there's been a loggo checking the
Speaker 1: best of times, which which brings us to our next question,
Speaker 1: which comes from Gig what's one of your spicy film takes?
Speaker 1: For one? Also, thank you so much for doing the
Speaker 1: podcast and being so funny and insightful. I like that
Speaker 1: you kept the compliments in. You've helped rect my love
Speaker 1: for movies good and bad. It's like this is my
Speaker 1: flex episode. UM, thank you, Gigi. It's nice to be appreciated,
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. It makes me so uncomfortable. UM,
Speaker 1: so thank you, Gi. We really appreciate your comments and
Speaker 1: your compliments. What's your spicy film take? For Caitlin, I
Speaker 1: was looking back through Letterboxed, which plug everyone. If you're
Speaker 1: on letterboxed, we have a bectel cast account where we
Speaker 1: mostly just keep track of movies that we have done.
Speaker 1: Our Matreon episodes is on like a separate list. Um,
Speaker 1: there's our watch list of frequently requested episodes that we
Speaker 1: plan and doing in the future. You know there's activity
Speaker 1: on there, so check us out on letterbox I also
Speaker 1: have a personal Letterboxed account, which you can find by searching.
Speaker 1: My name is Caitlin Darante on letterboxed. I don't because
Speaker 1: I'm cringe. I don't want people know what I think
Speaker 1: about anything. UM. Anyway, So I was going back through
Speaker 1: just basically all the releases from one on letter box
Speaker 1: and I was reminded that and maybe this is not
Speaker 1: a spicy hot take, or maybe it is. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: At least of the movies I've seen that came out,
Speaker 1: I feel as though this was an incredibly underwhelming year
Speaker 1: as far as cinema goes. Wow, that is kind of
Speaker 1: a spicy take. And it's very possible that there are
Speaker 1: amazing movies that came out this year that I just
Speaker 1: have not yet seen. But again, of the ones I
Speaker 1: have seen, which is a fair number, I you know,
Speaker 1: I try to stay up to date on new releases,
Speaker 1: I was not really into basically anything I saw. With
Speaker 1: one exception. There was one movie that I absolutely loved
Speaker 1: came out this year was Barbon Star Go to Vista
Speaker 1: del Mar. Oh, my gosh. I was going to mention
Speaker 1: that as like one of the highlights of my Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's hear your um. So there's two movies that I
Speaker 1: saw that came out in one that I really really
Speaker 1: liked when I just saw last night because I couldn't
Speaker 1: wait for it to go on streaming anymore, so I
Speaker 1: just bought it, which was Zola. Oh. Yes, really really
Speaker 1: loved we We're Gonna Cut We were So we've been
Speaker 1: getting a lot of requests for Zola, So for your reference,
Speaker 1: we try to wait until the movie is streaming somewhere
Speaker 1: a little more generally before we cover it on the show,
Speaker 1: so it's more accessible to people. Um, but we may
Speaker 1: just have to jump the gun because I'm I'm just
Speaker 1: so stoked on it. So I really love Zola. And
Speaker 1: then one movie that we both saw that did not
Speaker 1: even remotely come out in but I saw it and
Speaker 1: I think I've seen it five times now is the
Speaker 1: movie Pin and my my spicy film take of is
Speaker 1: you gotta watch Pin? And it came out in something
Speaker 1: I don't know Pin. Is I truly like, I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm bullshitting you when I say it in my
Speaker 1: top ten movies. Well, yeah, you and some other friends
Speaker 1: of ours liked it so much better than I did.
Speaker 1: I loved Pin. I thought Pin was such a special film.
Speaker 1: And it's on YouTube doc I mean, talk about access
Speaker 1: to movies. It is a wild one. It is about
Speaker 1: a m It's a story. Is it a story about
Speaker 1: fathers and sons? Yes, but but ultimately it's also about
Speaker 1: a a ventriloquist dummy that they put skin on that
Speaker 1: is this and he's a sex said teacher and he's
Speaker 1: a murderer and you gotta watch Pin. It is such
Speaker 1: it actually like I've it sounds like I'm lying, but
Speaker 1: it will make you think. Yeah, I suppose I loved Pin.
Speaker 1: Uh Well, we both watched Pin for our friend Alex's
Speaker 1: horror movie marathon that he does every year time honor tradition.
Speaker 1: Another film that we watched for the marathon was Malignant,
Speaker 1: which was one of my favorite movies, not because it's good,
Speaker 1: because it wasn't, but it was. I loved it. I
Speaker 1: thought it was pretty good. I was pretty good. I
Speaker 1: enjoyed it there. And then the movie that I know
Speaker 1: you didn't like, but we've mentioned it on the show before.
Speaker 1: I druly think it was like made for me to
Speaker 1: watch it is Titan by Juliette Ducarne. Is that where
Speaker 1: the room room referenced the car. I think it's pretty
Speaker 1: with a car um. If you haven't seen it and
Speaker 1: you're in a and you're feeling very French, I can't.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not for everyone, but it's not supposed
Speaker 1: to be. I really love that movie. I think that
Speaker 1: we may cover it on my birthday month on the Matreona.
Speaker 1: It's she I will mentally prepare myself. Yeah, you have
Speaker 1: eight months to get ready. So my spicy film takes
Speaker 1: are Those are the three movies that I oh four,
Speaker 1: including Barb and Start, which I really loved that really
Speaker 1: rev to my engine. Money twenty one. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I she has sex with a car and that's at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie. It's unbelievable. Um, thank you
Speaker 1: Gigi for your question Room for Room. I'm like a
Speaker 1: I'm like a Mazda Wow. All right, Okay, Sophia, how's
Speaker 1: the next question? And asks which movies do you regret
Speaker 1: giving high scores to after rethinking their impact? And then
Speaker 1: Sophia lists Wonder Woman as an example, which is definitely
Speaker 1: one that we rated too highly. That's the game to
Speaker 1: mind for me. Um, we talk about being trained for crumbs.
Speaker 1: You know, that was a trained for Crumbs moment for us,
Speaker 1: Which is like something that I have been grappling with
Speaker 1: as we've been doing the podcast for many years, is
Speaker 1: that I have this habit of like going easier on movies,
Speaker 1: or like evaluating them differently based on who has made them,
Speaker 1: or like if it fills a void that needs to
Speaker 1: be filled in terms of representation. I will be like, well,
Speaker 1: it fills a void, so it's perfect or it's amazing,
Speaker 1: but that might not be true. It's just that it
Speaker 1: fills a void. But I will get too excited about
Speaker 1: it and be like, Wow, this representation that we haven't
Speaker 1: seen yet, uh five million nipples, which is like, I
Speaker 1: mean fat, I mean I think it's a very human
Speaker 1: reaction that is cringing retrospect, and I think that's okay. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think of UM, I think of that. I think
Speaker 1: of Um as much as I love Moanna. I think
Speaker 1: that movie is directed by white guys, and I think
Speaker 1: that there's been a lot of productive conversations before and
Speaker 1: after that movie came out that we were not engaging
Speaker 1: with to the degree we should have at the time
Speaker 1: about that tendency that is still happening at Disney and
Speaker 1: in movies in general. Those are the two that I
Speaker 1: think come to mind for me. Yeah, I were like
Speaker 1: the Matrix. Did it deserve the four and a half
Speaker 1: nipples that I gave it? Probably not, But I love that.
Speaker 1: But I'm like even movies that have rated recently Barbin Star,
Speaker 1: I think we probably gave too many nipples too, did
Speaker 1: But but yeah, but we sometimes it is like inevitable,
Speaker 1: and I think we acknowledge it in the moment too.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like difficult to not you know, we're not math.
Speaker 1: You know, it's something your feelings are going to come
Speaker 1: into account at some point, and there's I think that
Speaker 1: there is, like especially with movies that just came out,
Speaker 1: which with Mo Wanna and Wonder Woman were at least
Speaker 1: relatively true or covered it in the first wonder Woman
Speaker 1: was like right away, right away, Wanna was like within
Speaker 1: a year of it coming out, and so I think
Speaker 1: we were still just really excited about it. And also
Speaker 1: those are two episodes that are like over three years old,
Speaker 1: and so we were just like, not, we're not functioning
Speaker 1: on the same level that the show does now. So
Speaker 1: it's true that said, I still love Mohanna and I
Speaker 1: I tried to rewatch Wonder Woman, and there's moments in
Speaker 1: it that's still get me really juiced. But I honestly
Speaker 1: think it's not very fun to watch. It's a little
Speaker 1: um underwhelming by UM standards. Yes, yeah, Mo Wanna gosh
Speaker 1: nearly perfect movie. I love it so much. It is wonderful.
Speaker 1: But we also gave The Wizard of Oz five stars.
Speaker 1: Across the board, which is absurd. I wonder what our
Speaker 1: reasoning was there. I don't know. And also I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back and read that. If
Speaker 1: there's any takeaway here is that take the Nipple scale
Speaker 1: ratings with a grain of salt, because we often are
Speaker 1: just pulling a number out of our little bombs, little
Speaker 1: bombs things for excuse me, I got a big ass. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Let's move on. We have a few
Speaker 1: more we have we have, we have just a couple
Speaker 1: more questions. Yes, our next question is from Erica. Erica says,
Speaker 1: I teach film as literature at the high school level,
Speaker 1: and I was curious what you both wished you had
Speaker 1: learned in high school about movies. Honestly anything, I don't
Speaker 1: I learned anything about movies in high school. I think
Speaker 1: the most I learned about movies was in like the
Speaker 1: fifth grade, because I had this amazing teacher who and
Speaker 1: this is like not speaking to the character of this director.
Speaker 1: I just think that it was really cool that he
Speaker 1: showed us these movies. Um, he showed he was really
Speaker 1: into like Hitchcock movies, and he would show us Hitchcock
Speaker 1: movies in the fifth grade, which is actually not responsible, um,
Speaker 1: because they're various. I remember he one day he was like,
Speaker 1: shout out, Mr Brewster. He was like an amazing teacher.
Speaker 1: He like, how does do Shakespeare plays? And like showed
Speaker 1: us the birds. Like I don't know how he was
Speaker 1: getting away with it, but it was really fun. But honestly,
Speaker 1: like in terms in high school, movies were generally just
Speaker 1: turned on so you would shut up, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: have any any media literacy in high school. In college,
Speaker 1: where I did study film allegedly, um, I think that
Speaker 1: there was, there was like so little attention paid to
Speaker 1: any sort of diversity. It felt very like my at
Speaker 1: least the curriculum that I did at Emmerson College call
Speaker 1: out post at least when I was going there was.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that it's improved since I went there,
Speaker 1: but or I hope it has, but it felt very prescriptive.
Speaker 1: It felt very copy paste, you know. Yeah, we were
Speaker 1: just talking about that on the Double Indemnity episode, about
Speaker 1: how so many film programs just regurgitate the same curriculum
Speaker 1: over and over, everyone seeing Double Indemnity because that's the
Speaker 1: noir movie that everyone watches. Yeah, like very frustrating, and
Speaker 1: I feel like in classes like that for me in college,
Speaker 1: it would be like, Okay, we're having one day with women,
Speaker 1: and we have one day with black filmmakers. We'll have
Speaker 1: one day where here's a movie with a gay character,
Speaker 1: like and then it would be like, okay, now now
Speaker 1: back to Yeah, Sisten came for like seven weeks, and
Speaker 1: it's you know, obviously we're not saying that those movies
Speaker 1: have no value, but they're given outsized value, or they
Speaker 1: certainly were to me. I will never, ever, ever stop
Speaker 1: being annoyed that I had to take a class called Wilder,
Speaker 1: Alan and Kaufman, even though I there are Billy Wilder
Speaker 1: and Charlie Kaufman movies I like. But I'm like, could
Speaker 1: you come up with a more egregiously incurious group of people?
Speaker 1: And also one of them is Woody fucking Alan. Give
Speaker 1: me a break. UM got in trouble in that class
Speaker 1: for saying correct things about what are you on? Um
Speaker 1: shout out Jamie when she was twenty one. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: that all that to say in high school. Nothing in
Speaker 1: college a different kind of nothing right about the same.
Speaker 1: For me, there was a communications class that focused more
Speaker 1: on filmmaking than it did on Oh that's kind of cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I and I jumped at the chance to take
Speaker 1: it because I was kind of really the only class
Speaker 1: like it that my high school even offered. And in
Speaker 1: that class, I did make a short film called Car
Speaker 1: Wars Return of the Jetta, in which a character Caitlin,
Speaker 1: in which what am I supposed to do with this information?
Speaker 1: You're supposed to just revel in it, Jamie. I'm rolling
Speaker 1: around like a pagan slash lit a wash over you, yeah,
Speaker 1: wallow and the joy that is Car Wars Return of
Speaker 1: the Jetta. So I like it more. At the time,
Speaker 1: I drove a Buick sky Hawk. Cool. That is really cool,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It's a hideous car. It sounds
Speaker 1: cool that. Um, I cast my sister in the movie.
Speaker 1: Her character's name is Sarah sky Hawker because she drove
Speaker 1: the sky Hawk. Wow, you really put a lot of
Speaker 1: thought into this. Oh my gosh, it was. It's one
Speaker 1: of my finest works, and I made it when I
Speaker 1: was seventeen. Um, there was another character I just took, like,
Speaker 1: I just basically like took my friends used their first
Speaker 1: name and then added like a Star Wars flourish to it. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it was a it was a spoof. It was a romp.
Speaker 1: It's about a big race that the Jetta and the
Speaker 1: sky Hawk they raced each other and whoever wins the
Speaker 1: race saves the galaxy or something. I don't know, But
Speaker 1: did you get an A? I got a plus? Wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you you learned. I learned so much, um. But anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish I had learned more about actual like film
Speaker 1: history in high school, um, and more about I guess
Speaker 1: because I went on to get a master's degree in
Speaker 1: screenwriting from Boston University, a fact that I hate to mention,
Speaker 1: but I wish I had learned more about like how
Speaker 1: to craft a narrative in general and specifically like a
Speaker 1: cinematic narrative. Those have been cool things to learn. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if that helps you out, Erica. I
Speaker 1: wish I had learned about movies in high school, but
Speaker 1: ultimately I wish that someone had taught me how to
Speaker 1: do my fucking taxes at any point. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like there's a lot of things I
Speaker 1: should have learned in high school that I didn't. I
Speaker 1: really specifically remember my history teacher being like, um, let's
Speaker 1: watch a historical movie, and then he turned on Zoro
Speaker 1: starring Antonio benderis there, so you know schools are underfunded.
Speaker 1: You guys, My sixth grade math teacher taught children, sixth
Speaker 1: grade children how to balance checkbooks. First of all, why
Speaker 1: are you teaching that to sixth graders? And secondly, that's
Speaker 1: a skill I never needed to use. Yeah, but at
Speaker 1: least they were thinking like at that time you could
Speaker 1: have maybe needed it, Like you know, yeah, that's just true. God,
Speaker 1: no one ever taught me how to do anything. The
Speaker 1: most useful thing that happened to me in high school
Speaker 1: is my high school English teacher set me up a
Speaker 1: Gmail account that I used to this day. Um. Incredible,
Speaker 1: So thank you Ms. Rich. Okay, we got a couple
Speaker 1: more questions, a couple more questions, but first let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and then we will come back and
Speaker 1: finish off those questions and we are back with the
Speaker 1: next question from Genevieve asks what's your process for planning
Speaker 1: episodes parentheses? Do you choose guests than movie or movie
Speaker 1: than guest? It kind of depends, Um, if there's a
Speaker 1: movie that we really want to cover either, because like
Speaker 1: the sequel to it or the reboot or whatever is
Speaker 1: coming out soon, then we will kind of do movie
Speaker 1: first and then figure out a good guest for it. Um.
Speaker 1: In other cases, we will just like have a list
Speaker 1: of guests that we know we want to have on
Speaker 1: the show and then we leave it up to them
Speaker 1: as far as what movie they want to do. For
Speaker 1: the most part, you know, it's just it's kind of
Speaker 1: like a mixed bag of different things. So there are
Speaker 1: movies that I feel like our listeners are like, why
Speaker 1: haven't you covered this one yet? The podcast has been
Speaker 1: going on for five years. It's probably because like, of
Speaker 1: the many many guests we've haven't had on the show,
Speaker 1: none of them have chosen that movie yet. And the
Speaker 1: last thing we ever want to do because this everyone
Speaker 1: loses in the scenario is as have a guest cover
Speaker 1: a movie that they have no particular interest in covering. Like, um,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, it's it's definitely a mix. Sometimes
Speaker 1: there are a movie that we really want to cover,
Speaker 1: and if we don't know a guest already who's really
Speaker 1: passionate about discussing it, will sometimes be like, well, is
Speaker 1: there are there any writers who have written about this
Speaker 1: movie and that we know will hopefully be interested in
Speaker 1: discussing it with us. That's sometimes how we'll find an
Speaker 1: end to discuss a movie that we've been wanting to discuss.
Speaker 1: Other times, we just sort of I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: like our our guests who have been on multiple times,
Speaker 1: we just kind of have a feel for the kind
Speaker 1: of movies they like, and sometimes we'll be like, hey,
Speaker 1: this one and sometimes they're like yeah, or sometimes you're
Speaker 1: like I don't really feel strongly about that one, but
Speaker 1: here are three that I would love to cover, and
Speaker 1: then we'll kind of take it from there. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of an intuitive it's free form jazz. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I would say listeners, if there are any movies that
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, surprised you haven't covered this yet, and
Speaker 1: I know, like, here's the perfect guests for it. If
Speaker 1: you have any like recommendations, suggestions, anything along those lines,
Speaker 1: feel free to tweet at us let us know because
Speaker 1: that sounds helpful for us. That sound helpful for us? Thanks. Um. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's hopefully that answers your question. Jenemy. I'm very
Speaker 1: excited for this next question. It's from Harriet. Harriet asks
Speaker 1: or says I'm sixteen and about to make a podcast
Speaker 1: for a big school project. What advice would you give me?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Harriet the is so excited. First of all,
Speaker 1: congratulations on entering. Hell um there, no, this is really cool.
Speaker 1: I I was thinking about a conversation with my friend
Speaker 1: Sarah recently where she was just like, you know, people
Speaker 1: say that there's too many podcasts in the world. I
Speaker 1: don't think that that's true. Like, everyone has something that
Speaker 1: they're passionate about and like a unique way of discussing it,
Speaker 1: and the more of that that's in the world, the better.
Speaker 1: So my advice would be, you know, talk about something
Speaker 1: that matters to you and something that you're curious about,
Speaker 1: and do your research and find people to talk to
Speaker 1: who share that curiosity and hopefully have more knowledge on
Speaker 1: it in a in a different perspective than you do,
Speaker 1: and that reads to people like it's I feel like
Speaker 1: podcasting is such a cool form where when you're passionate
Speaker 1: about something, it shows, and when you're curious about something,
Speaker 1: it shows, and it's such a collaborative for and it's
Speaker 1: so easy to you know, have access to and so
Speaker 1: easy to reach people and to and to make and um,
Speaker 1: choose something you're you're passionate about, don't. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's always kind of very clear when there's um, I'm
Speaker 1: not thinking of anyone in particular her, but like when
Speaker 1: there's a very cynical, like algorithmically like designed, people are
Speaker 1: gonna want to hear a podcast about this, And then
Speaker 1: it's usually fucking boring because you know, it's like there's
Speaker 1: no heart in it, there's no like curiosity, so or
Speaker 1: it's just sort of like people talking about nothing. Don't
Speaker 1: just shoot the ship unless you're the funniest person in
Speaker 1: the face of the earth. And I'm not saying this
Speaker 1: to Harriet specifically, but like all of you, no one,
Speaker 1: I mean, no cakes, I mean that. But even that
Speaker 1: is like, there are some podcasts I listened to that
Speaker 1: are like vaguely focused conversations that are shooting the ship
Speaker 1: that are very funny, like there's no rules, just don't
Speaker 1: be an asshole. That's the that's the rule, and don't
Speaker 1: be afraid to get specific. Like some of the best
Speaker 1: podcasts are like very niche things. And and then because
Speaker 1: this is a question that a few different people asked
Speaker 1: that they're like looking to start a podcast or they're
Speaker 1: you know, they're like getting one up and going. And
Speaker 1: I would say kind of just from a technical standpoint,
Speaker 1: it's helpful if you have and I know that this
Speaker 1: is an investment, and you know, everyone is probably operating
Speaker 1: on a different budget, and it's probably not that HI
Speaker 1: have a budget, But if you can get your hands
Speaker 1: on a decent microphone, and if you can just do
Speaker 1: some basic editing, that's going to make the quality of
Speaker 1: your podcast a brazilion times better and just easier for
Speaker 1: your listeners to enjoy. So obviously, like the creative and
Speaker 1: the fun parts of podcasting are very important, but the
Speaker 1: technical stuff is as well. Yeah, if you're able to
Speaker 1: not cut corners, don't yes, okay, uh yeah, and um
Speaker 1: we always like to end these episodes with a few
Speaker 1: fun questions. Morges board. A lot of people had very
Speaker 1: specific questions about three main topics that kept coming up
Speaker 1: again and again. So I'll just list them all off
Speaker 1: and Jamie, you know, I can just sort of rapid
Speaker 1: fire talk about these things. A lot of people wanted
Speaker 1: to know about the Lego Titanic that I built. Yes,
Speaker 1: tell them, Caitlin, you made a financially reckless decision and
Speaker 1: it and it paid off uge as Titanic. I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't get any sort of return on my investment
Speaker 1: unless you count Sarahtonin exactly. Yeah, I did spend over
Speaker 1: six hundred dollars. I'm I'm horrified. Like, Look, I never
Speaker 1: treat myself, I never buy anything, and I just I
Speaker 1: really felt I could and should. Look, I have a
Speaker 1: Lego Titanic. It was worth every penny, just the building
Speaker 1: of it, the documenting of the building of it, and
Speaker 1: sharing that with very compelling You should. If you haven't
Speaker 1: gone to Caitlin's Instagram and watched the time laps it is,
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's like you're in Belfast. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: I felt like I was there and I am there
Speaker 1: for a little bit and you are there. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: make a little cameo that was lovely. Um and basically
Speaker 1: Mr Andrews engineering the damn thing before your very eyes.
Speaker 1: And you're also, you know, like a several thousand irishmen
Speaker 1: you're doing You're doing the damn thing, and I'm doing
Speaker 1: the damn thing. It's very impressive. I'm really bummed because
Speaker 1: I took so many more time Laps videos than I
Speaker 1: ended up posting, but I didn't realize that they didn't
Speaker 1: actually save on my phone because I had taken so
Speaker 1: many other time Labs videos that I ran out of storage.
Speaker 1: So I took all these videos that didn't even save
Speaker 1: to my phone because I had done too many already.
Speaker 1: So that's a bummer. But there are fair number on
Speaker 1: my Instagram, so check those out. And people wanted to know,
Speaker 1: you know, like how it went, how many hours it took.
Speaker 1: I think I put somewhere between fifteen and twenty hours
Speaker 1: into building it over the course of a few a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Um, I don't know where to put it. Still.
Speaker 1: We did talk about this on our little mini week
Speaker 1: off episode. It is still just sitting on my floor. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with it. I think
Speaker 1: that you need to just get like a hefty shelf,
Speaker 1: a hefty shelf for a Titanic will write our our
Speaker 1: next question are our next course that we get all
Speaker 1: the time, and thank God, is about Alfred Melina. It's
Speaker 1: just about Alfred Billina in general. And I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of questions were like who would Alfred Millina play
Speaker 1: in a Christmas Prince or a Princess switch movie? Because
Speaker 1: we got a lot of questions about the Christmas Netflix movies,
Speaker 1: which is I mean, I'm honestly just glad that people
Speaker 1: are still on board with those episodes because we have
Speaker 1: so much fun doing them. Um. So I mean to
Speaker 1: answer that specific question, I think, you know, with all
Speaker 1: due respect, Vanessa, go out there, let's get Alfred in there,
Speaker 1: and he's all of the princesses obviously obviously, but Alfred
Speaker 1: Billina in general. I mean, another amazing year for our guy,
Speaker 1: al Freddie Freddie as we call him because friend and
Speaker 1: he's been on the show. And then people were asking
Speaker 1: about his performance in Spider Man No Way Home, which
Speaker 1: I have not yet seen but I have received. I mean,
Speaker 1: it made me feel good. I've received so many texts
Speaker 1: asking if I've seen it yet, and I haven't because
Speaker 1: the second I was going to see it in theaters,
Speaker 1: guess who reared her little head again? It was the coronavirus.
Speaker 1: And so I'm waiting. But this year, this year in
Speaker 1: Alfred Billina for me was I collaborated with super Yocky
Speaker 1: and UM made to Alfred Maline themed t shirts UM,
Speaker 1: and that was very rewarding. That was my Molina moment
Speaker 1: for this year. I love that. I have one of
Speaker 1: those shirts. And Molina Freddie, our friend got married this year,
Speaker 1: so good for him, you know he married. Um, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm a misogynist. The director of Frozen, Jennifer
Speaker 1: for Jennifer Leey, she and Alfred Milena are married. They
Speaker 1: seem very happy. What a power couple. We love that
Speaker 1: for them. Congrats Freddy. Just a banner year for Freddie.
Speaker 1: I think, honestly like Freddy's career wise personally, he was
Speaker 1: knocking it out of the park this year certainly, and
Speaker 1: as someone who did see Spiderman No Way Home because
Speaker 1: I saw it on opening day. Yeah, you saw it.
Speaker 1: You got in right in the nickdtime. I got in early. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say it's well worth the watch, Jamie. So
Speaker 1: when you do have a chance to see it safely,
Speaker 1: please do you won't be disappointed. I look forward to it.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I'm I'm When it comes to Freddie, I
Speaker 1: can wait and I hope he's listening. Um. So, another
Speaker 1: another fun question we got was from Michelle asks which
Speaker 1: movie that you've covered would be a hundred times better
Speaker 1: if Shrek was the main character? Though, Titane, titane not
Speaker 1: to not to call up my favorite movie of one
Speaker 1: and saying, what if Shrek ad sex with a car?
Speaker 1: But it does make you think it Maybe it would
Speaker 1: be a less of a feminist text if it was.
Speaker 1: But but if Shrek got pregnant by a car shre
Speaker 1: Tin Shrek Shrek Taine. I think that that's my final answer.
Speaker 1: I I I still want, I want. I just want
Speaker 1: two cuts of the movie. I want the original Titan
Speaker 1: and then I want Shrek Tane because I think it
Speaker 1: just it just opens your eyes in a whole new way.
Speaker 1: Here's my answer for this. Because you said, you know,
Speaker 1: you mentioned different cuts of a movie made me think
Speaker 1: of the butthole cut of Cats. What if Cats was
Speaker 1: just shreks? Oops, all shreks. Think about it? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking about it, and I'm gonna I'm getting
Speaker 1: all horny. Yeah, well, well this isn't This will be
Speaker 1: an ongoing question for us. It'll be on my mind.
Speaker 1: Um Marvin Starr. More like Shrek and Shrek to Festal
Speaker 1: means the movies right themselves, truly Shrek to get more
Speaker 1: Shreks in there, there were enough Shreks. That's my main
Speaker 1: note about Trek to um God Shrek rocks. It's it's staggering,
Speaker 1: and and and then we're gonna close on a question
Speaker 1: because we always give our guests an opportunity to to plug,
Speaker 1: but do we ever plug our personal projects? I think
Speaker 1: for the most part, we don't because we're so and
Speaker 1: modesty is just overwhelming. So so MJ asked, I follow
Speaker 1: you both on social media, so I catch some of this,
Speaker 1: but please brag. What other projects have you worked on
Speaker 1: that we should check out? Slash follow, Kay, would you
Speaker 1: like to go first? Sure, Well, here's what I'm going
Speaker 1: to do is plug my screenwriting classes, of which I
Speaker 1: have a new intro class starting up in February, and
Speaker 1: there are spots at the time of this recording spots
Speaker 1: still available. It is a class that is suitable for
Speaker 1: pretty much anyone complete beginners. It's suitable for someone who
Speaker 1: has maybe some screenwriting background, but maybe just wants to
Speaker 1: be held accountable to develop a new project. You know,
Speaker 1: if you have maybe a film background but not a
Speaker 1: screenwriting background, you know, it's it's I've designed it so
Speaker 1: that it's just a good intro that is a pro
Speaker 1: bring it for basically anyone who isn't already someone who
Speaker 1: has a master's degree in screenwriting. Okay, so, um, I
Speaker 1: have spots. It starts in February. I believe it's on Saturdays.
Speaker 1: It's an online class that I conduct through zoom. If
Speaker 1: anyone is interested in that, tweet at me and I'll
Speaker 1: send you the registration link. Um. I'll also be oh,
Speaker 1: I should update you know what? I will have updated
Speaker 1: my website Caitlin Toronto dot com slash classes and the
Speaker 1: link will be there as well as just more info
Speaker 1: about the different screenwriting classes I teach. So check that
Speaker 1: out and also follow me on Twitter and Instagram. I
Speaker 1: would actually love that because, um, the more followers I have,
Speaker 1: the more valid I feel as a human being, because
Speaker 1: that's the sad state of society we live in. So
Speaker 1: so give me a little. Will follow on Twitter and Instagram.
Speaker 1: It's at Caitlin Toronte on both platforms. Please and thank you. Jamie,
Speaker 1: what about you? What would you like to plug? Um?
Speaker 1: You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram if you choose. Uh,
Speaker 1: Jamie Loft has help on Twitter, Jamie christ Superstar on Instagram.
Speaker 1: But I would point you to a few things I've
Speaker 1: I've been doing solo podcasts that are investigative for the
Speaker 1: last two years now if you haven't listened to them.
Speaker 1: I did My Year in Mensa, which is about a
Speaker 1: year long sort of investigation and UH piece I did
Speaker 1: about how fucked up the mental organization is. Last year
Speaker 1: I did Lolita podcast, which um we talked about on
Speaker 1: We've talked about on this feed as well, but was
Speaker 1: kind of a deep dive into Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita and
Speaker 1: all of the kind of uh complicated cultural elements that
Speaker 1: were pulled into that work over the years. And this
Speaker 1: last summer I did UH feminist intersectional analysis of the
Speaker 1: Kathy comics called act Cast, and I got to talk
Speaker 1: to creator Kathy Guys, but I got to talk to
Speaker 1: a lot of amazing artists, a lot of and in
Speaker 1: all of those shows there are people who are part
Speaker 1: of the bectel Cast expanded universe involved. So if you
Speaker 1: looked at me and produces them, Caitlin does voices in them.
Speaker 1: It's all very fun and uh, I work really hard
Speaker 1: in them and I'm proud of them. So if you
Speaker 1: like stuff like that, go listen to that. I write
Speaker 1: for a show called Teenage ruthan Asia that's on Adult
Speaker 1: swim that is difficult to stream, but if you can
Speaker 1: watch it, it's quite good. It's stars Maria Bamford and
Speaker 1: Joe Firestone and it's about three generations of women living
Speaker 1: in zombie funeral home in Florida. It's very fun. And
Speaker 1: I have a book about hot dogs that's coming out
Speaker 1: next year, so don't worry about it. Amazing, Jamie, you
Speaker 1: are truly a superstar, just like are your friend. Instagram
Speaker 1: says yes, Uh, that's what I'm trying to say with
Speaker 1: JP Price superstari um. Yeah, So listeners check out all
Speaker 1: of that and follow us and validate our existence please
Speaker 1: and things, and then follow the becktel Cast as well,
Speaker 1: uh in all the regular places Instagram, Twitter, at becktel Cast.
Speaker 1: Once again, when we're plug for the Patreon ak Matreon,
Speaker 1: which is where we got all these wonderful questions today.
Speaker 1: And thank you again to everyone who's submitted such such wonderful,
Speaker 1: thoughtful people we have as matrons, truly, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Our community fucking rocks. Thank you for another awesome year.
Speaker 1: And and again, like we do this at the beginning
Speaker 1: of most years, because we're just kind of like taking stock,
Speaker 1: We're we're in the planning phases. We've got an exciting
Speaker 1: year planned for you. Lots of returning guests, lots of
Speaker 1: new guests, lots of movies that I mean, we've been
Speaker 1: going back and you know, there's it's been five years,
Speaker 1: and there's some movies that you guys are like, hey,
Speaker 1: what the funck and it and and look you're not wrong,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be addressing some this year, um and
Speaker 1: just you know, bringing in a lot of new filmmakers
Speaker 1: and guests. So thank you again for for being with
Speaker 1: us and for being a part of our community. Indeed,
Speaker 1: and yeah, we'll we'll catch you next week on the feed.
Speaker 1: And we've got I think a lot of popular requests
Speaker 1: coming out in January, so look forward to that, we
Speaker 1: sure do. Bye bye,