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426
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Speaker 1: like try to fill a quota or whatever, you know,

427
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: because I see it in those terms, right, we have

428
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: to fill a quota. We have to like you know,

429
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: give this many shows or green light these many movies

430
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: that are going to tell the public like we care

431
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: about diversity. But then when creators who are women, people

432
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: of color, queer people, and so on, are then given

433
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: opportunities to tell their stories and given funding to tell

434
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: their stories. Then we get representation from the creators that

435
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: we want to see telling their own stories, even though

436
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: it did come from a kind of like performative. So

437
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: I think that's like the question of, like does it

438
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: matter what the intentions are if if the outcome does

439
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 1: mean better representation, it's like it does still matter, Like

440
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: it does still matter that the slog of capitalism, which

441
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,479
Speaker 1: is what it goes back to, and like, you know,

442
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: we can trace it all the way up and you

443
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: know colonial you can, we can trace that line, right,

444
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: And I think it does matter because that fucking sucks

445
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: and it creates a a I don't know, like this

446
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: kind of like void of like we should be grateful

447
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: to see as much representation as we do when obviously

448
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: that's not the case. And and it just kind of

449
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: by the question of, like, well, can these executives, you

450
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: know die, I don't know, like can we get some

451
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: new people in here? But but I do think it's

452
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: like like your sand culin the demand from viewers and

453
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: as poison and evil as the internet is they think

454
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: the Internet has done a lot to push these conversations forward. Um,

455
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: very double edged sword, as anyone listening very likely knows. UM.

456
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: But I do think that, you know, getting to interact

457
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: directly and make it really clear of like this is

458
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: what we want has made a difference. I wish that

459
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: it made a quicker difference. I wish I had made

460
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: a less cynical difference. I wish that it was making

461
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: a less money motivated difference. Unfortunately, we live in a

462
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 1: society and it fucking sucks. So I don't know it's

463
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, that's a really difficult question. I

464
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: feel like you kind of answered it in a way

465
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,239
Speaker 1: in the second question, where it's like the outcome is

466
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: having more and better representation and that is ultimately a

467
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: good thing, and that ultimately, I hope, sets a bedrock

468
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: of like we're creating a new bare minimum that will

469
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: hopefully continue to build and build and build, and that

470
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: is positive. But it's just frustrating that it has to

471
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: be done that way. But the way we talk about

472
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: like stepping Stone movies that are not great by our

473
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: very current standards, but we're ahead of their time and

474
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: kind of paved the way for better representation. I guess

475
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: we're in like a stepping stone era where like the

476
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: intentions are often motivated by money and capitalism, but I

477
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: think will end up paving the way for a media

478
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: landscape that isn't so motivated by like, oh, diversity is

479
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: so hip right now, so let's do that because it'll

480
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: make us money. It I think we're just in this

481
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: like era of ushering in better representation the will come

482
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: from a more earnest and genuine place and not be

483
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: so motivated by capitalism. Yeah. I mean, we may be

484
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: fucked in that regard um, however, but I do think

485
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: it's like it's and and again it's as consumers that

486
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: we are kind of empowered to some degree to ask

487
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: for what we want and hope and sometimes we get

488
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: it and sometimes we don't. I hope that, you know.

489
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it's generally a good thing when you

490
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: can look back several years in like media landscape and

491
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: like film landscape and like cringe at what you were saying,

492
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: because that means that growth has taken place. And I

493
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: do think we can say that for the past couple

494
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,239
Speaker 1: of years, you look back on the fucking crumbs we

495
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: were taken in. You know, there has been changed, there

496
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: has been growth. I am generally optimistic and still a cynical,

497
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: annoying capitalist structure. I was actually going to say the

498
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: same thing too. I forget which question this was for,

499
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: but when we were talking about, you know, like, we're

500
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: growing and we're learning and as far as like the

501
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: podcast goes, if I go back and listen to an

502
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: episode from three years ago, chances are I'm cringing because

503
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: we were like, I was like, oops, we forgot about

504
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: this thing, or we like, you know, things that we

505
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: failed to notice, things that we overlooked back then that

506
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: we pick up on much more easily. So, yeah, the

507
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: whole thing landscape is changing. It is, and I hope

508
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: it will continue to. I've been like, I mean, yeah,

509
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: there's been so much good stuff that's come out in

510
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: the past couple of years, which I you can't always

511
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: say it's very exciting. We're living in the worst of times,

512
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: but in some ways there's been a loggo checking the

513
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: best of times, which which brings us to our next question,

514
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: which comes from Gig what's one of your spicy film takes?

515
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: For one? Also, thank you so much for doing the

516
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: podcast and being so funny and insightful. I like that

517
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: you kept the compliments in. You've helped rect my love

518
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: for movies good and bad. It's like this is my

519
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: flex episode. UM, thank you, Gigi. It's nice to be appreciated,

520
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. It makes me so uncomfortable. UM,

521
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: so thank you, Gi. We really appreciate your comments and

522
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: your compliments. What's your spicy film take? For Caitlin, I

523
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: was looking back through Letterboxed, which plug everyone. If you're

524
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: on letterboxed, we have a bectel cast account where we

525
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: mostly just keep track of movies that we have done.

526
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: Our Matreon episodes is on like a separate list. Um,

527
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: there's our watch list of frequently requested episodes that we

528
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: plan and doing in the future. You know there's activity

529
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: on there, so check us out on letterbox I also

530
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: have a personal Letterboxed account, which you can find by searching.

531
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: My name is Caitlin Darante on letterboxed. I don't because

532
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm cringe. I don't want people know what I think

533
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: about anything. UM. Anyway, So I was going back through

534
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: just basically all the releases from one on letter box

535
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: and I was reminded that and maybe this is not

536
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: a spicy hot take, or maybe it is. I'm not sure.

537
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: At least of the movies I've seen that came out,

538
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: I feel as though this was an incredibly underwhelming year

539
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: as far as cinema goes. Wow, that is kind of

540
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: a spicy take. And it's very possible that there are

541
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: amazing movies that came out this year that I just

542
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: have not yet seen. But again, of the ones I

543
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: have seen, which is a fair number, I you know,

544
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: I try to stay up to date on new releases,

545
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 1: I was not really into basically anything I saw. With

546
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: one exception. There was one movie that I absolutely loved

547
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: came out this year was Barbon Star Go to Vista

548
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: del Mar. Oh, my gosh. I was going to mention

549
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: that as like one of the highlights of my Yeah,

550
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: let's hear your um. So there's two movies that I

551
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: saw that came out in one that I really really

552
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: liked when I just saw last night because I couldn't

553
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: wait for it to go on streaming anymore, so I

554
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: just bought it, which was Zola. Oh. Yes, really really

555
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: loved we We're Gonna Cut We were So we've been

556
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: getting a lot of requests for Zola, So for your reference,

557
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: we try to wait until the movie is streaming somewhere

558
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: a little more generally before we cover it on the show,

559
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: so it's more accessible to people. Um, but we may

560
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: just have to jump the gun because I'm I'm just

561
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: so stoked on it. So I really love Zola. And

562
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: then one movie that we both saw that did not

563
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: even remotely come out in but I saw it and

564
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: I think I've seen it five times now is the

565
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: movie Pin and my my spicy film take of is

566
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: you gotta watch Pin? And it came out in something

567
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't know Pin. Is I truly like, I don't

568
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: think I'm bullshitting you when I say it in my

569
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: top ten movies. Well, yeah, you and some other friends

570
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: of ours liked it so much better than I did.

571
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: I loved Pin. I thought Pin was such a special film.

572
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: And it's on YouTube doc I mean, talk about access

573
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: to movies. It is a wild one. It is about

574
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: a m It's a story. Is it a story about

575
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: fathers and sons? Yes, but but ultimately it's also about

576
00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: a a ventriloquist dummy that they put skin on that

577
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: is this and he's a sex said teacher and he's

578
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: a murderer and you gotta watch Pin. It is such

579
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: it actually like I've it sounds like I'm lying, but

580
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 1: it will make you think. Yeah, I suppose I loved Pin.

581
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: Uh Well, we both watched Pin for our friend Alex's

582
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: horror movie marathon that he does every year time honor tradition.

583
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: Another film that we watched for the marathon was Malignant,

584
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: which was one of my favorite movies, not because it's good,

585
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: because it wasn't, but it was. I loved it. I

586
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: thought it was pretty good. I was pretty good. I

587
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: enjoyed it there. And then the movie that I know

588
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: you didn't like, but we've mentioned it on the show before.

589
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: I druly think it was like made for me to

590
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: watch it is Titan by Juliette Ducarne. Is that where

591
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: the room room referenced the car. I think it's pretty

592
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: with a car um. If you haven't seen it and

593
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: you're in a and you're feeling very French, I can't.

594
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not for everyone, but it's not supposed

595
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: to be. I really love that movie. I think that

596
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: we may cover it on my birthday month on the Matreona.

597
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: It's she I will mentally prepare myself. Yeah, you have

598
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: eight months to get ready. So my spicy film takes

599
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: are Those are the three movies that I oh four,

600
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 1: including Barb and Start, which I really loved that really

601
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: rev to my engine. Money twenty one. Oh my god,

602
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: I she has sex with a car and that's at

603
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie. It's unbelievable. Um, thank you

604
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: Gigi for your question Room for Room. I'm like a

605
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm like a Mazda Wow. All right, Okay, Sophia, how's

606
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: the next question? And asks which movies do you regret

607
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: giving high scores to after rethinking their impact? And then

608
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: Sophia lists Wonder Woman as an example, which is definitely

609
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: one that we rated too highly. That's the game to

610
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: mind for me. Um, we talk about being trained for crumbs.

611
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: You know, that was a trained for Crumbs moment for us,

612
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: Which is like something that I have been grappling with

613
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: as we've been doing the podcast for many years, is

614
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: that I have this habit of like going easier on movies,

615
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: or like evaluating them differently based on who has made them,

616
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: or like if it fills a void that needs to

617
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: be filled in terms of representation. I will be like, well,

618
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: it fills a void, so it's perfect or it's amazing,

619
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: but that might not be true. It's just that it

620
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: fills a void. But I will get too excited about

621
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: it and be like, Wow, this representation that we haven't

622
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: seen yet, uh five million nipples, which is like, I

623
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: mean fat, I mean I think it's a very human

624
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: reaction that is cringing retrospect, and I think that's okay. Like, yeah,

625
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: I think of UM, I think of that. I think

626
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: of Um as much as I love Moanna. I think

627
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: that movie is directed by white guys, and I think

628
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: that there's been a lot of productive conversations before and

629
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: after that movie came out that we were not engaging

630
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: with to the degree we should have at the time

631
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: about that tendency that is still happening at Disney and

632
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: in movies in general. Those are the two that I

633
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: think come to mind for me. Yeah, I were like

634
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: the Matrix. Did it deserve the four and a half

635
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: nipples that I gave it? Probably not, But I love that.

636
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: But I'm like even movies that have rated recently Barbin Star,

637
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: I think we probably gave too many nipples too, did

638
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Speaker 1: But but yeah, but we sometimes it is like inevitable,

639
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: and I think we acknowledge it in the moment too.

640
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like difficult to not you know, we're not math.

641
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's something your feelings are going to come

642
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: into account at some point, and there's I think that

643
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: there is, like especially with movies that just came out,

644
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: which with Mo Wanna and Wonder Woman were at least

645
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: relatively true or covered it in the first wonder Woman

646
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: was like right away, right away, Wanna was like within

647
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: a year of it coming out, and so I think

648
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: we were still just really excited about it. And also

649
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: those are two episodes that are like over three years old,

650
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: and so we were just like, not, we're not functioning

651
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: on the same level that the show does now. So

652
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: it's true that said, I still love Mohanna and I

653
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: I tried to rewatch Wonder Woman, and there's moments in

654
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: it that's still get me really juiced. But I honestly

655
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: think it's not very fun to watch. It's a little

656
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: um underwhelming by UM standards. Yes, yeah, Mo Wanna gosh

657
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: nearly perfect movie. I love it so much. It is wonderful.

658
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: But we also gave The Wizard of Oz five stars.

659
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: Across the board, which is absurd. I wonder what our

660
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: reasoning was there. I don't know. And also I'm like,

661
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back and read that. If

662
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: there's any takeaway here is that take the Nipple scale

663
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: ratings with a grain of salt, because we often are

664
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: just pulling a number out of our little bombs, little

665
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: bombs things for excuse me, I got a big ass. Um. Okay,

666
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: let's move on. Let's move on. We have a few

667
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: more we have we have, we have just a couple

668
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: more questions. Yes, our next question is from Erica. Erica says,

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Speaker 1: I teach film as literature at the high school level,

670
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: and I was curious what you both wished you had

671
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: learned in high school about movies. Honestly anything, I don't

672
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: I learned anything about movies in high school. I think

673
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: the most I learned about movies was in like the

674
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: fifth grade, because I had this amazing teacher who and

675
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: this is like not speaking to the character of this director.

676
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: I just think that it was really cool that he

677
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: showed us these movies. Um, he showed he was really

678
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: into like Hitchcock movies, and he would show us Hitchcock

679
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: movies in the fifth grade, which is actually not responsible, um,

680
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: because they're various. I remember he one day he was like,

681
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: shout out, Mr Brewster. He was like an amazing teacher.

682
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: He like, how does do Shakespeare plays? And like showed

683
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: us the birds. Like I don't know how he was

684
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: getting away with it, but it was really fun. But honestly,

685
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: like in terms in high school, movies were generally just

686
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: turned on so you would shut up, Like I didn't

687
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: have any any media literacy in high school. In college,

688
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: where I did study film allegedly, um, I think that

689
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: there was, there was like so little attention paid to

690
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: any sort of diversity. It felt very like my at

691
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: least the curriculum that I did at Emmerson College call

692
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: out post at least when I was going there was.

693
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that it's improved since I went there,

694
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: but or I hope it has, but it felt very prescriptive.

695
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: It felt very copy paste, you know. Yeah, we were

696
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 1: just talking about that on the Double Indemnity episode, about

697
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: how so many film programs just regurgitate the same curriculum

698
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: over and over, everyone seeing Double Indemnity because that's the

699
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: noir movie that everyone watches. Yeah, like very frustrating, and

700
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: I feel like in classes like that for me in college,

701
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: it would be like, Okay, we're having one day with women,

702
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: and we have one day with black filmmakers. We'll have

703
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: one day where here's a movie with a gay character,

704
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: like and then it would be like, okay, now now

705
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: back to Yeah, Sisten came for like seven weeks, and

706
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: it's you know, obviously we're not saying that those movies

707
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: have no value, but they're given outsized value, or they

708
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: certainly were to me. I will never, ever, ever stop

709
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: being annoyed that I had to take a class called Wilder,

710
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: Alan and Kaufman, even though I there are Billy Wilder

711
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: and Charlie Kaufman movies I like. But I'm like, could

712
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: you come up with a more egregiously incurious group of people?

713
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: And also one of them is Woody fucking Alan. Give

714
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: me a break. UM got in trouble in that class

715
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: for saying correct things about what are you on? Um

716
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: shout out Jamie when she was twenty one. Um, yeah,

717
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: that all that to say in high school. Nothing in

718
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: college a different kind of nothing right about the same.

719
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: For me, there was a communications class that focused more

720
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: on filmmaking than it did on Oh that's kind of cool. Yeah,

721
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: so I and I jumped at the chance to take

722
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: it because I was kind of really the only class

723
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: like it that my high school even offered. And in

724
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: that class, I did make a short film called Car

725
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: Wars Return of the Jetta, in which a character Caitlin,

726
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: in which what am I supposed to do with this information?

727
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: You're supposed to just revel in it, Jamie. I'm rolling

728
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: around like a pagan slash lit a wash over you, yeah,

729
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: wallow and the joy that is Car Wars Return of

730
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 1: the Jetta. So I like it more. At the time,

731
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: I drove a Buick sky Hawk. Cool. That is really cool,

732
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It's a hideous car. It sounds

733
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: cool that. Um, I cast my sister in the movie.

734
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 1: Her character's name is Sarah sky Hawker because she drove

735
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: the sky Hawk. Wow, you really put a lot of

736
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: thought into this. Oh my gosh, it was. It's one

737
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: of my finest works, and I made it when I

738
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: was seventeen. Um, there was another character I just took, like,

739
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: I just basically like took my friends used their first

740
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: name and then added like a Star Wars flourish to it. Anyway,

741
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: it was a it was a spoof. It was a romp.

742
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: It's about a big race that the Jetta and the

743
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: sky Hawk they raced each other and whoever wins the

744
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: race saves the galaxy or something. I don't know, But

745
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: did you get an A? I got a plus? Wow. Okay,

746
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: so you you learned. I learned so much, um. But anyway, Yeah,

747
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: I wish I had learned more about actual like film

748
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: history in high school, um, and more about I guess

749
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: because I went on to get a master's degree in

750
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: screenwriting from Boston University, a fact that I hate to mention,

751
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: but I wish I had learned more about like how

752
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: to craft a narrative in general and specifically like a

753
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: cinematic narrative. Those have been cool things to learn. So

754
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if that helps you out, Erica. I

755
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: wish I had learned about movies in high school, but

756
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: ultimately I wish that someone had taught me how to

757
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: do my fucking taxes at any point. So you know,

758
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of like there's a lot of things I

759
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: should have learned in high school that I didn't. I

760
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: really specifically remember my history teacher being like, um, let's

761
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: watch a historical movie, and then he turned on Zoro

762
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: starring Antonio benderis there, so you know schools are underfunded.

763
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: You guys, My sixth grade math teacher taught children, sixth

764
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: grade children how to balance checkbooks. First of all, why

765
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: are you teaching that to sixth graders? And secondly, that's

766
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: a skill I never needed to use. Yeah, but at

767
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: least they were thinking like at that time you could

768
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: have maybe needed it, Like you know, yeah, that's just true. God,

769
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: no one ever taught me how to do anything. The

770
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: most useful thing that happened to me in high school

771
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: is my high school English teacher set me up a

772
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: Gmail account that I used to this day. Um. Incredible,

773
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: So thank you Ms. Rich. Okay, we got a couple

774
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: more questions, a couple more questions, but first let's take

775
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 1: a quick break and then we will come back and

776
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: finish off those questions and we are back with the

777
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: next question from Genevieve asks what's your process for planning

778
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: episodes parentheses? Do you choose guests than movie or movie

779
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: than guest? It kind of depends, Um, if there's a

780
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: movie that we really want to cover either, because like

781
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: the sequel to it or the reboot or whatever is

782
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: coming out soon, then we will kind of do movie

783
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: first and then figure out a good guest for it. Um.

784
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 1: In other cases, we will just like have a list

785
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: of guests that we know we want to have on

786
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: the show and then we leave it up to them

787
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: as far as what movie they want to do. For

788
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: the most part, you know, it's just it's kind of

789
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: like a mixed bag of different things. So there are

790
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: movies that I feel like our listeners are like, why

791
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: haven't you covered this one yet? The podcast has been

792
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: going on for five years. It's probably because like, of

793
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: the many many guests we've haven't had on the show,

794
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: none of them have chosen that movie yet. And the

795
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: last thing we ever want to do because this everyone

796
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: loses in the scenario is as have a guest cover

797
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: a movie that they have no particular interest in covering. Like, um,

798
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, it's it's definitely a mix. Sometimes

799
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: there are a movie that we really want to cover,

800
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: and if we don't know a guest already who's really

801
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: passionate about discussing it, will sometimes be like, well, is

802
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: there are there any writers who have written about this

803
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: movie and that we know will hopefully be interested in

804
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: discussing it with us. That's sometimes how we'll find an

805
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: end to discuss a movie that we've been wanting to discuss.

806
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: Other times, we just sort of I mean, you know,

807
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: like our our guests who have been on multiple times,

808
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: we just kind of have a feel for the kind

809
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: of movies they like, and sometimes we'll be like, hey,

810
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: this one and sometimes they're like yeah, or sometimes you're

811
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: like I don't really feel strongly about that one, but

812
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: here are three that I would love to cover, and

813
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: then we'll kind of take it from there. So it's

814
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: kind of an intuitive it's free form jazz. Yeah, and

815
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: I would say listeners, if there are any movies that

816
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, surprised you haven't covered this yet, and

817
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: I know, like, here's the perfect guests for it. If

818
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 1: you have any like recommendations, suggestions, anything along those lines,

819
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: feel free to tweet at us let us know because

820
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: that sounds helpful for us. That sound helpful for us? Thanks. Um. Yeah, Yeah,

821
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: So that's hopefully that answers your question. Jenemy. I'm very

822
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: excited for this next question. It's from Harriet. Harriet asks

823
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: or says I'm sixteen and about to make a podcast

824
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: for a big school project. What advice would you give me?

825
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Harriet the is so excited. First of all,

826
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: congratulations on entering. Hell um there, no, this is really cool.

827
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: I I was thinking about a conversation with my friend

828
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: Sarah recently where she was just like, you know, people

829
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: say that there's too many podcasts in the world. I

830
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: don't think that that's true. Like, everyone has something that

831
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: they're passionate about and like a unique way of discussing it,

832
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: and the more of that that's in the world, the better.

833
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: So my advice would be, you know, talk about something

834
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 1: that matters to you and something that you're curious about,

835
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: and do your research and find people to talk to

836
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: who share that curiosity and hopefully have more knowledge on

837
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: it in a in a different perspective than you do,

838
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: and that reads to people like it's I feel like

839
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: podcasting is such a cool form where when you're passionate

840
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 1: about something, it shows, and when you're curious about something,

841
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: it shows, and it's such a collaborative for and it's

842
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: so easy to you know, have access to and so

843
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: easy to reach people and to and to make and um,

844
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: choose something you're you're passionate about, don't. I feel like

845
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: it's always kind of very clear when there's um, I'm

846
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: not thinking of anyone in particular her, but like when

847
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: there's a very cynical, like algorithmically like designed, people are

848
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Speaker 1: gonna want to hear a podcast about this, And then

849
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: it's usually fucking boring because you know, it's like there's

850
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: no heart in it, there's no like curiosity, so or

851
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: it's just sort of like people talking about nothing. Don't

852
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: just shoot the ship unless you're the funniest person in

853
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: the face of the earth. And I'm not saying this

854
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: to Harriet specifically, but like all of you, no one,

855
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: I mean, no cakes, I mean that. But even that

856
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: is like, there are some podcasts I listened to that

857
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 1: are like vaguely focused conversations that are shooting the ship

858
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: that are very funny, like there's no rules, just don't

859
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: be an asshole. That's the that's the rule, and don't

860
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 1: be afraid to get specific. Like some of the best

861
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: podcasts are like very niche things. And and then because

862
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: this is a question that a few different people asked

863
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: that they're like looking to start a podcast or they're

864
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: you know, they're like getting one up and going. And

865
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: I would say kind of just from a technical standpoint,

866
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: it's helpful if you have and I know that this

867
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: is an investment, and you know, everyone is probably operating

868
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: on a different budget, and it's probably not that HI

869
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: have a budget, But if you can get your hands

870
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: on a decent microphone, and if you can just do

871
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: some basic editing, that's going to make the quality of

872
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: your podcast a brazilion times better and just easier for

873
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: your listeners to enjoy. So obviously, like the creative and

874
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: the fun parts of podcasting are very important, but the

875
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: technical stuff is as well. Yeah, if you're able to

876
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: not cut corners, don't yes, okay, uh yeah, and um

877
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: we always like to end these episodes with a few

878
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: fun questions. Morges board. A lot of people had very

879
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: specific questions about three main topics that kept coming up

880
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: again and again. So I'll just list them all off

881
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: and Jamie, you know, I can just sort of rapid

882
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: fire talk about these things. A lot of people wanted

883
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: to know about the Lego Titanic that I built. Yes,

884
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: tell them, Caitlin, you made a financially reckless decision and

885
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: it and it paid off uge as Titanic. I mean,

886
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 1: I didn't get any sort of return on my investment

887
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: unless you count Sarahtonin exactly. Yeah, I did spend over

888
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: six hundred dollars. I'm I'm horrified. Like, Look, I never

889
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: treat myself, I never buy anything, and I just I

890
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: really felt I could and should. Look, I have a

891
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: Lego Titanic. It was worth every penny, just the building

892
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: of it, the documenting of the building of it, and

893
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: sharing that with very compelling You should. If you haven't

894
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: gone to Caitlin's Instagram and watched the time laps it is,

895
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's like you're in Belfast. It's amazing.

896
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: I felt like I was there and I am there

897
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: for a little bit and you are there. Yeah, you

898
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: make a little cameo that was lovely. Um and basically

899
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: Mr Andrews engineering the damn thing before your very eyes.

900
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: And you're also, you know, like a several thousand irishmen

901
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: you're doing You're doing the damn thing, and I'm doing

902
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: the damn thing. It's very impressive. I'm really bummed because

903
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: I took so many more time Laps videos than I

904
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: ended up posting, but I didn't realize that they didn't

905
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: actually save on my phone because I had taken so

906
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: many other time Labs videos that I ran out of storage.

907
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: So I took all these videos that didn't even save

908
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: to my phone because I had done too many already.

909
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: So that's a bummer. But there are fair number on

910
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: my Instagram, so check those out. And people wanted to know,

911
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: you know, like how it went, how many hours it took.

912
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: I think I put somewhere between fifteen and twenty hours

913
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: into building it over the course of a few a

914
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Um, I don't know where to put it. Still.

915
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: We did talk about this on our little mini week

916
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: off episode. It is still just sitting on my floor. Um,

917
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with it. I think

918
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: that you need to just get like a hefty shelf,

919
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: a hefty shelf for a Titanic will write our our

920
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: next question are our next course that we get all

921
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: the time, and thank God, is about Alfred Melina. It's

922
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: just about Alfred Billina in general. And I mean a

923
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: lot of questions were like who would Alfred Millina play

924
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: in a Christmas Prince or a Princess switch movie? Because

925
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: we got a lot of questions about the Christmas Netflix movies,

926
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: which is I mean, I'm honestly just glad that people

927
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: are still on board with those episodes because we have

928
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: so much fun doing them. Um. So I mean to

929
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: answer that specific question, I think, you know, with all

930
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: due respect, Vanessa, go out there, let's get Alfred in there,

931
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: and he's all of the princesses obviously obviously, but Alfred

932
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: Billina in general. I mean, another amazing year for our guy,

933
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: al Freddie Freddie as we call him because friend and

934
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: he's been on the show. And then people were asking

935
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 1: about his performance in Spider Man No Way Home, which

936
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: I have not yet seen but I have received. I mean,

937
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: it made me feel good. I've received so many texts

938
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: asking if I've seen it yet, and I haven't because

939
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: the second I was going to see it in theaters,

940
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: guess who reared her little head again? It was the coronavirus.

941
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: And so I'm waiting. But this year, this year in

942
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: Alfred Billina for me was I collaborated with super Yocky

943
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: and UM made to Alfred Maline themed t shirts UM,

944
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: and that was very rewarding. That was my Molina moment

945
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: for this year. I love that. I have one of

946
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: those shirts. And Molina Freddie, our friend got married this year,

947
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: so good for him, you know he married. Um, oh

948
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm a misogynist. The director of Frozen, Jennifer

949
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: for Jennifer Leey, she and Alfred Milena are married. They

950
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: seem very happy. What a power couple. We love that

951
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: for them. Congrats Freddy. Just a banner year for Freddie.

952
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: I think, honestly like Freddy's career wise personally, he was

953
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: knocking it out of the park this year certainly, and

954
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: as someone who did see Spiderman No Way Home because

955
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: I saw it on opening day. Yeah, you saw it.

956
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: You got in right in the nickdtime. I got in early. Yeah,

957
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: I would say it's well worth the watch, Jamie. So

958
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: when you do have a chance to see it safely,

959
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: please do you won't be disappointed. I look forward to it.

960
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I'm I'm When it comes to Freddie, I

961
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: can wait and I hope he's listening. Um. So, another

962
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: another fun question we got was from Michelle asks which

963
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: movie that you've covered would be a hundred times better

964
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: if Shrek was the main character? Though, Titane, titane not

965
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: to not to call up my favorite movie of one

966
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: and saying, what if Shrek ad sex with a car?

967
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: But it does make you think it Maybe it would

968
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: be a less of a feminist text if it was.

969
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: But but if Shrek got pregnant by a car shre

970
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: Tin Shrek Shrek Taine. I think that that's my final answer.

971
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: I I I still want, I want. I just want

972
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: two cuts of the movie. I want the original Titan

973
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: and then I want Shrek Tane because I think it

974
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: just it just opens your eyes in a whole new way.

975
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: Here's my answer for this. Because you said, you know,

976
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned different cuts of a movie made me think

977
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: of the butthole cut of Cats. What if Cats was

978
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: just shreks? Oops, all shreks. Think about it? I mean,

979
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking about it, and I'm gonna I'm getting

980
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: all horny. Yeah, well, well this isn't This will be

981
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: an ongoing question for us. It'll be on my mind.

982
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: Um Marvin Starr. More like Shrek and Shrek to Festal

983
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: means the movies right themselves, truly Shrek to get more

984
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: Shreks in there, there were enough Shreks. That's my main

985
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: note about Trek to um God Shrek rocks. It's it's staggering,

986
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: and and and then we're gonna close on a question

987
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: because we always give our guests an opportunity to to plug,

988
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: but do we ever plug our personal projects? I think

989
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: for the most part, we don't because we're so and

990
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: modesty is just overwhelming. So so MJ asked, I follow

991
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: you both on social media, so I catch some of this,

992
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: but please brag. What other projects have you worked on

993
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: that we should check out? Slash follow, Kay, would you

994
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: like to go first? Sure, Well, here's what I'm going

995
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: to do is plug my screenwriting classes, of which I

996
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: have a new intro class starting up in February, and

997
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: there are spots at the time of this recording spots

998
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: still available. It is a class that is suitable for

999
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: pretty much anyone complete beginners. It's suitable for someone who

1000
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: has maybe some screenwriting background, but maybe just wants to

1001
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: be held accountable to develop a new project. You know,

1002
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: if you have maybe a film background but not a

1003
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: screenwriting background, you know, it's it's I've designed it so

1004
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: that it's just a good intro that is a pro

1005
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: bring it for basically anyone who isn't already someone who

1006
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: has a master's degree in screenwriting. Okay, so, um, I

1007
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: have spots. It starts in February. I believe it's on Saturdays.

1008
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: It's an online class that I conduct through zoom. If

1009
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: anyone is interested in that, tweet at me and I'll

1010
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: send you the registration link. Um. I'll also be oh,

1011
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: I should update you know what? I will have updated

1012
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: my website Caitlin Toronto dot com slash classes and the

1013
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: link will be there as well as just more info

1014
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: about the different screenwriting classes I teach. So check that

1015
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: out and also follow me on Twitter and Instagram. I

1016
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: would actually love that because, um, the more followers I have,

1017
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: the more valid I feel as a human being, because

1018
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: that's the sad state of society we live in. So

1019
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: so give me a little. Will follow on Twitter and Instagram.

1020
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: It's at Caitlin Toronte on both platforms. Please and thank you. Jamie,

1021
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: what about you? What would you like to plug? Um?

1022
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram if you choose. Uh,

1023
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: Jamie Loft has help on Twitter, Jamie christ Superstar on Instagram.

1024
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: But I would point you to a few things I've

1025
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: I've been doing solo podcasts that are investigative for the

1026
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: last two years now if you haven't listened to them.

1027
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: I did My Year in Mensa, which is about a

1028
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: year long sort of investigation and UH piece I did

1029
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:45,439
Speaker 1: about how fucked up the mental organization is. Last year

1030
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: I did Lolita podcast, which um we talked about on

1031
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: We've talked about on this feed as well, but was

1032
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: kind of a deep dive into Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita and

1033
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: all of the kind of uh complicated cultural elements that

1034
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: were pulled into that work over the years. And this

1035
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: last summer I did UH feminist intersectional analysis of the

1036
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: Kathy comics called act Cast, and I got to talk

1037
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: to creator Kathy Guys, but I got to talk to

1038
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: a lot of amazing artists, a lot of and in

1039
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: all of those shows there are people who are part

1040
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: of the bectel Cast expanded universe involved. So if you

1041
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: looked at me and produces them, Caitlin does voices in them.

1042
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: It's all very fun and uh, I work really hard

1043
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: in them and I'm proud of them. So if you

1044
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: like stuff like that, go listen to that. I write

1045
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: for a show called Teenage ruthan Asia that's on Adult

1046
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: swim that is difficult to stream, but if you can

1047
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: watch it, it's quite good. It's stars Maria Bamford and

1048
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: Joe Firestone and it's about three generations of women living

1049
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: in zombie funeral home in Florida. It's very fun. And

1050
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,439
Speaker 1: I have a book about hot dogs that's coming out

1051
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: next year, so don't worry about it. Amazing, Jamie, you

1052
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: are truly a superstar, just like are your friend. Instagram

1053
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: says yes, Uh, that's what I'm trying to say with

1054
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: JP Price superstari um. Yeah, So listeners check out all

1055
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: of that and follow us and validate our existence please

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Speaker 1: and things, and then follow the becktel Cast as well,

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Speaker 1: uh in all the regular places Instagram, Twitter, at becktel Cast.

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Speaker 1: Once again, when we're plug for the Patreon ak Matreon,

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Speaker 1: which is where we got all these wonderful questions today.

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Speaker 1: And thank you again to everyone who's submitted such such wonderful,

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Speaker 1: thoughtful people we have as matrons, truly, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Our community fucking rocks. Thank you for another awesome year.

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Speaker 1: And and again, like we do this at the beginning

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Speaker 1: of most years, because we're just kind of like taking stock,

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Speaker 1: We're we're in the planning phases. We've got an exciting

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Speaker 1: year planned for you. Lots of returning guests, lots of

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Speaker 1: new guests, lots of movies that I mean, we've been

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Speaker 1: going back and you know, there's it's been five years,

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Speaker 1: and there's some movies that you guys are like, hey,

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Speaker 1: what the funck and it and and look you're not wrong,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna be addressing some this year, um and

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Speaker 1: just you know, bringing in a lot of new filmmakers

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Speaker 1: and guests. So thank you again for for being with

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Speaker 1: us and for being a part of our community. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, we'll we'll catch you next week on the feed.

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Speaker 1: And we've got I think a lot of popular requests

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Speaker 1: coming out in January, so look forward to that, we

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Speaker 1: sure do. Bye bye,