1
00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,879
Speaker 1: Today on Crime Stories, we had to Colorado. Chrystal Lee

2
00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,880
Speaker 1: played guilty to a Class six felony tampering with physical evidence.

3
00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,360
Speaker 1: We have postponed sentencing until after any hearings or trials

4
00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,599
Speaker 1: are done on any other related matters, certainly that would

5
00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,639
Speaker 1: include the Patrick Frazy charges at this time, by our

6
00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,360
Speaker 1: agreement that she will not be sentenced until after all

7
00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,519
Speaker 1: trials are completed. Joining Nancy Grace, Darryl Cohen, former assistant

8
00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,280
Speaker 1: DA Fulton County, Georgia, James shell Nutt twenty seven years

9
00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:41,280
Speaker 1: Atlanta Metro Major Case Detective SWAD Officer, retired, Karen Stark, psychologist,

10
00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,920
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert, Professor of Forensics and author

11
00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,040
Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet, and Alexis Terris Chuck from

12
00:00:48,120 --> 00:01:00,920
Speaker 1: Radar Online. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Turns out there

13
00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,080
Speaker 1: was another woman in Patrick's life, a former Idaho Rodeo

14
00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,280
Speaker 1: queen named Crystal Lee. What did Crystal say about Patrick?

15
00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,080
Speaker 1: Was she in love with him? I think she was

16
00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,520
Speaker 1: to a point. Michelle Stein says her best friend Crystel,

17
00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,120
Speaker 1: confided in her about a disturbing conversation Crystel and Patrick

18
00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,240
Speaker 1: had before Kelsey disappeared. She had told me that he

19
00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:30,319
Speaker 1: had asked her to take care of his baby mama,

20
00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,680
Speaker 1: and you took that and she too, So I was like, well,

21
00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,440
Speaker 1: I was in shock first because people who says that?

22
00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,200
Speaker 1: And she said, yeah, he asked me if I would

23
00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,520
Speaker 1: kill the mother of his baby. Michelle says she pushed

24
00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,800
Speaker 1: Cristel to call the police, but she didn't, and neither

25
00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,520
Speaker 1: did Michelle. I kept telling her the thing, you need

26
00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,920
Speaker 1: to call and tell somebody. I'm trusting her to do

27
00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,040
Speaker 1: the right thing. But I think Michelle, people watching will

28
00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,560
Speaker 1: say call the police, say Alan to talk to my friends.

29
00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,640
Speaker 1: Someone's asking her to kill someone. You're right, of course

30
00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,240
Speaker 1: I regret it. I regret it every day. You're hearing

31
00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,240
Speaker 1: our friends at CBS forty eight hours, Nikki Battista the

32
00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,560
Speaker 1: case of Kelsey bear At, the twenty nine year old

33
00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:20,440
Speaker 1: young mom brutally murdered, her body never found, her boyfriend,

34
00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,960
Speaker 1: Patrick Frazy, her so called fiance, the father of the

35
00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:30,160
Speaker 1: little baby, heading to trial. It's happening now. You're just

36
00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,640
Speaker 1: hearing our friends at CBS forty eight hours, and reportedly

37
00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,040
Speaker 1: the boyfriend the fiance having a sex affair with a

38
00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:44,320
Speaker 1: Rodeo Queen Crystal, Jean Lee Kenny, Alexa Trreschuk, investigative reporter

39
00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:50,880
Speaker 1: with Radar Online dot Com. Alexis, will she end up

40
00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,160
Speaker 1: taking the fall at trial? No, the girlfriend's not gonna

41
00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,000
Speaker 1: take the blame. He's going to take the blame. She

42
00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,400
Speaker 1: has already coming on. She's best that she helped throw

43
00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,200
Speaker 1: out the cell phone. She has turned states withness. She

44
00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,960
Speaker 1: will get punished, but she is totally helping the prosecutor

45
00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,400
Speaker 1: and she's going to get him in trouble. She is

46
00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,040
Speaker 1: not going to take the blame for this Martin. Well,

47
00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,919
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, I tell you why, I

48
00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,079
Speaker 1: think that they may very well try to frame the girlfriend.

49
00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,840
Speaker 1: Take a listen again to our friends at CBS. Forty

50
00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,000
Speaker 1: eight hours after Kelsey vanished, authorities tracked down Crystal, and

51
00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,600
Speaker 1: when they offered her a deal in exchange for her

52
00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:34,000
Speaker 1: testimony against Patrick, she told an incredible story. She admits

53
00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,880
Speaker 1: to cleaning up the crime scene and tells a prosecution

54
00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,280
Speaker 1: the whole entire story of what happened. There's poison coffee,

55
00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:46,120
Speaker 1: there's a metal baseball bat, scented candles, a blindfold, phones

56
00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,640
Speaker 1: that are pinging all over Colorado and in Idaho, Crystal

57
00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,120
Speaker 1: told authorities Patrick tried to get her to kill Kelsey

58
00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,640
Speaker 1: three different times and each time she chickened out. Then

59
00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,680
Speaker 1: she says it was Patrick who killed Kelsey. In exchange

60
00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,640
Speaker 1: for her testimony against Patrick Freezy, she agreed to plead

61
00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,600
Speaker 1: guilty to evidence tampering versus a more serious charge. So

62
00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,320
Speaker 1: right now she only faces a max of three years

63
00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,120
Speaker 1: in prison, but the trial's coming up. If her story

64
00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,839
Speaker 1: falls apart, that deal is off the table. Yeah, the

65
00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,679
Speaker 1: trial's coming up now, the case heading to a jury trial.

66
00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,520
Speaker 1: You know, to Darrell Cohen, former prosecutor now defense attorney

67
00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:30,360
Speaker 1: in the Atlanta jurisdiction, Darryll, I mean she said, well,

68
00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,560
Speaker 1: three different times he talked to me about killing Kelsey.

69
00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,200
Speaker 1: Every time I quote chickened out. When you chicken out,

70
00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,440
Speaker 1: that kind of means that you've said you do it,

71
00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,240
Speaker 1: then you back out, not that you always refused. So

72
00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,920
Speaker 1: she's got a problem. Not only that she cleaned up

73
00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,560
Speaker 1: the crime scene and threw away the cell phones. It

74
00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,400
Speaker 1: makes her look guilty, Daryl makes her extremely guilty, which

75
00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,120
Speaker 1: means that when she changed her little story and turned

76
00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,800
Speaker 1: into a witness, that's what she did to save herself.

77
00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,719
Speaker 1: And when you talk about is her story going to

78
00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,160
Speaker 1: hold up or is it going to fall apart? It

79
00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,400
Speaker 1: depends on how truthful she is, because Nancy, you and

80
00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,320
Speaker 1: I always know that if you tell the truth, you

81
00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,240
Speaker 1: don't ever have to remember what you said. It may

82
00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,800
Speaker 1: come out a little differently, it will always come out

83
00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,800
Speaker 1: the same. So she's got a problem and she's trying

84
00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,360
Speaker 1: to correct that problem. Not that I wouldn't have killed him.

85
00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,679
Speaker 1: I just got scared what would happened to me. So

86
00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm good with her testimony as long as it's consistent.

87
00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,039
Speaker 1: You know what. James shell Nutt, twenty seven years Metro

88
00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:42,440
Speaker 1: Major case detective swat officer, now lawyer. You know I've

89
00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,719
Speaker 1: said to Minia jury, James, sometimes you got to go

90
00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,200
Speaker 1: to hell to get your witnesses to put the devil

91
00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,839
Speaker 1: in jail. And that's just what they got to do

92
00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,960
Speaker 1: right now. Maybe before she met this guy, Patrick Frazy,

93
00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,240
Speaker 1: maybe she was an nice lady. But she's in it

94
00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,400
Speaker 1: up to her eyballs. I mean, i'd have to put

95
00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,120
Speaker 1: her on the stand and whole my nose getting her testimony. Yeah,

96
00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,120
Speaker 1: she's she's a necessary evil in this case. And I

97
00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,560
Speaker 1: believe that the defense is absolutely gonna point the finger

98
00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,680
Speaker 1: at her. It's going to be interesting to see that

99
00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,839
Speaker 1: all the theories they come up with. But you know,

100
00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,640
Speaker 1: she's definitely not a good person, Nancy. I mean, if

101
00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,080
Speaker 1: you think about this, she knew for months. You know,

102
00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,240
Speaker 1: back in September of last year. Uh reportedly is the

103
00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,680
Speaker 1: first time that this Freesday guy attempted to solicit her

104
00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,839
Speaker 1: to kill Kelsey. And so she knew for months that

105
00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,560
Speaker 1: Keeltzy's life was in danger. She knew for months that

106
00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,560
Speaker 1: that mother, that daughter, that that beautiful human being that

107
00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,200
Speaker 1: she was, that she was probably going to be murdered

108
00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,720
Speaker 1: at the hands of the psychopath. And she sat there

109
00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,040
Speaker 1: and did nothing. And then not only did she do nothing,

110
00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,719
Speaker 1: she participated in cleaning up the crime scene. And you know, Nancy,

111
00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,479
Speaker 1: you've seen these like I have. You know, someone getting

112
00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,680
Speaker 1: murdered with a ball bat and being beat in the

113
00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,960
Speaker 1: head with a ballpat is a very gruesome thing, from

114
00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,400
Speaker 1: the blood to the brain mire to the school fragments.

115
00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,720
Speaker 1: This is not something where she walks in with a

116
00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,560
Speaker 1: couple of wet wipes and cleans up the apartment. This

117
00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,040
Speaker 1: is a gruesome crime scene. To that to take in

118
00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,080
Speaker 1: a cell phone eight hundred miles away to another state

119
00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,000
Speaker 1: just so that it looked like the victim was there.

120
00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,000
Speaker 1: To a whole host of things. She's a bad person.

121
00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,280
Speaker 1: She was in this up to our eyeballs, and she's

122
00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a questionable witness. Okay. I just had to

123
00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,960
Speaker 1: pull away from the right because you made me start laughing.

124
00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,000
Speaker 1: James shellnutt to Joseph Scott Morgan. I'll tell you why,

125
00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,320
Speaker 1: Professor Forensics jacksonvill State University, author of Blood Beneath My

126
00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,560
Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon. When Shellnut just says, it's not like

127
00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,280
Speaker 1: she went in there and with a couple of wet wipes.

128
00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he's right. This was a major, major

129
00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,680
Speaker 1: crime scene clean up. I'm coming to you. You're the

130
00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,760
Speaker 1: forensics expert, explain what the crime scene was like. Because

131
00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,400
Speaker 1: remember Joseph Scott Morgan, as if you would forget, which

132
00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,640
Speaker 1: you would not. When Kelsey Beareth a young mama just

133
00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:20,240
Speaker 1: twenty nine, she did it all. Wasn't she a pilot? Yeah,

134
00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,280
Speaker 1: she was a female pilot. She just bought her own condo,

135
00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,840
Speaker 1: no help from him or anybody else. Was raising her

136
00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,520
Speaker 1: baby girl all by herself. I guess. Patrick Phrasey would

137
00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,760
Speaker 1: drive by every once in a while drop off some pampers.

138
00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,280
Speaker 1: But long story short, her bodies had never been found,

139
00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,400
Speaker 1: but the crime scene speaks volumes. When Kelsey Beret's brother

140
00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,600
Speaker 1: came to the house to look for Kelsey, he didn't

141
00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,240
Speaker 1: notice anything was wrong. So what did they find? Joe Scott? Well,

142
00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, the thing about it is is that at

143
00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,439
Speaker 1: a at a trace level, where things are not necessarily

144
00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,440
Speaker 1: easily found with the unaided eye, you can go in

145
00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,680
Speaker 1: there with agents such as blue star and luminol and

146
00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,080
Speaker 1: those sorts of things. Well, wait a minute, wait a minute. Okay,

147
00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,559
Speaker 1: we know you're smart, Joe Scott, but dummy down from me,

148
00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,920
Speaker 1: explain what blue star is. Well, listen, a lot of

149
00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:24,680
Speaker 1: folks don't understand that. You know, our blood actually contains

150
00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:30,120
Speaker 1: certain elements that when when we attempt to wipe them away,

151
00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't always disappear. So we use what is referred

152
00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,280
Speaker 1: to as a blood re agent, and this kind of

153
00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,320
Speaker 1: breathe life into these things that have been attempted to

154
00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,160
Speaker 1: clean be cleaned up, and it brings them to life.

155
00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,040
Speaker 1: And what's really cool about this is that when you

156
00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,439
Speaker 1: splits these agents such as a blue star or a luminol,

157
00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,480
Speaker 1: which are reagents, they lumines and blue star, as the

158
00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,520
Speaker 1: name implies, creates this kind of blue glow and it

159
00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,000
Speaker 1: can actually be photographed. And not only that, but you

160
00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,520
Speaker 1: can photograph a photographic and if you examine the photographs

161
00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,559
Speaker 1: very carefully, you can actually pick up on patterns, things

162
00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:13,160
Speaker 1: like high velocity impacts pattern You can find things, for instance,

163
00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,720
Speaker 1: like passive drips where someone has held like something an

164
00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,840
Speaker 1: instrument like a baseball bat and the blood has kind

165
00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,040
Speaker 1: of dripped off the end of it. Even after you

166
00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,360
Speaker 1: have attempted to clean up this area, and the fact

167
00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,800
Speaker 1: that the brother went back and he didn't see anything

168
00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:32,240
Speaker 1: with the unaided eye gives me an indication that this

169
00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,280
Speaker 1: individual it's been a protracted period of time attempting to

170
00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,360
Speaker 1: clean this area up because Nancy, listen, I've cleaned up

171
00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,520
Speaker 1: a lot of blood in my days working in the morgue.

172
00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,720
Speaker 1: It's not an easy undertaking. It takes you have to

173
00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,080
Speaker 1: have the right equipment, you have to have the right

174
00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,120
Speaker 1: tools at your disposal, and you have to have time

175
00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,480
Speaker 1: in order to do it thoroughly. So that gives us

176
00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,920
Speaker 1: an idea how deeply she may have been involved in

177
00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:15,920
Speaker 1: this crime. Stories with Nancy Grace Judge made several rulings

178
00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,560
Speaker 1: today on what can and cannot be introduced as evidence

179
00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,040
Speaker 1: at Patrick Frasi's murder trial. Phrase is accused of killing

180
00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,440
Speaker 1: his fiance, Kelsey Barrett, last November. Her body has not

181
00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,439
Speaker 1: been found. The judge ruled today that he will allow

182
00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,240
Speaker 1: statements that Kelsey made to her mother and co workers

183
00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,199
Speaker 1: about her relationship with Phrasy. Those will be allowed to

184
00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,920
Speaker 1: be introduced. Kelsey talked about leaving the relationship at one point.

185
00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,920
Speaker 1: The judge says he will not allow evidence of past

186
00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,480
Speaker 1: animal abuse by Phrasie to be included. He says it

187
00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,439
Speaker 1: doesn't have any value. You're hearing our friends at nine

188
00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,360
Speaker 1: News Denver. That was Gary Shapiro describing what's happening in

189
00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,640
Speaker 1: the courtroom. The case against Patrick Frazy, the so called

190
00:11:53,679 --> 00:12:00,960
Speaker 1: killer fiance, is going to trial now. His fiancee beareth

191
00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:08,360
Speaker 1: body never found. Alexis to Ruschuk, investigative reporter with Radar

192
00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:13,480
Speaker 1: online dot Com, Alexis, tell me about the crime scene.

193
00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:18,680
Speaker 1: The crime scene was very meticulously clean. There were not

194
00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:23,000
Speaker 1: a lot of obvious signs that anything had happened in

195
00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,040
Speaker 1: her house. There really weren't, and that's why it took

196
00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,960
Speaker 1: police a little while and they weren't even sure had

197
00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,640
Speaker 1: she just gone out and gone grocery shopping and got

198
00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,520
Speaker 1: missing at the grocery store. Like that, he and his

199
00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,160
Speaker 1: girlfriend had very carefully covered up what happened in this house.

200
00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:43,679
Speaker 1: Listening to testimony about three different ways that phrase attempted

201
00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:50,280
Speaker 1: to solicit murder, the murder of his fiance came out

202
00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,599
Speaker 1: in court and a hearing Phrasie sat there looking completely

203
00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:59,360
Speaker 1: unfazed by the whole thing. Then he heard about evidence

204
00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:05,480
Speaker 1: showing that Kelsey was murdered with a baseball bat that

205
00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:11,360
Speaker 1: got no obvious signed from him either, no reaction. How

206
00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,480
Speaker 1: do we think she was murdered? Joe Scott Morgan, It

207
00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,240
Speaker 1: would appear that he had many plans that they were

208
00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,480
Speaker 1: that they were going to perpetrate. I think that there

209
00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:27,280
Speaker 1: was a mention of potential poison. Well, yeah, there were

210
00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,480
Speaker 1: three occasions that he tried to get the girlfriend to

211
00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,000
Speaker 1: first poison her with a Starbucks coffee, then beat her

212
00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,400
Speaker 1: dead with a metal rod, and finally a baseball bat.

213
00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,400
Speaker 1: And what's coming out in court in these pre trial

214
00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,440
Speaker 1: hearings is that the girlfriend agreed and tried to comply

215
00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:52,040
Speaker 1: each time she quote chickened out. Okay, During these hearings.

216
00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,480
Speaker 1: Investigators say they believe Frazie murdered Bareth himself in her

217
00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:01,400
Speaker 1: living room Thanksgiving Day while their baby was in a

218
00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:08,400
Speaker 1: back bedroom, that he blindfolded her with a sweater under

219
00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:13,719
Speaker 1: the guys that he wanted her to smell different candles

220
00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:19,040
Speaker 1: and pick one out. Once she was blindfolded, according to

221
00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:25,640
Speaker 1: prosecutors in court, he bludgeoned her dead with a baseball bat.

222
00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,920
Speaker 1: Later that day. According to court documents, he called the

223
00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,640
Speaker 1: girlfriend the rodeo Queen and told her to drive from

224
00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,000
Speaker 1: her home in Idaho from Woodland Park. Quote, you got

225
00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,800
Speaker 1: a mess to clean up, and she did it. She

226
00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,280
Speaker 1: drove all the way to the murder scene and cleaned up.

227
00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,720
Speaker 1: So obviously they're gonna try and blame her because of

228
00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,880
Speaker 1: her involvement. But do you think it will work straight

229
00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,360
Speaker 1: out to you? Karen Start, you're the psychologistic hearstar dot com.

230
00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,680
Speaker 1: You know there may be a your that buys into it.

231
00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,280
Speaker 1: She was so she was up to a rear end

232
00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,000
Speaker 1: and alligators in this thing. She was Nancy. I mean,

233
00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,000
Speaker 1: think about that. She admitted that she had agreed to

234
00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,920
Speaker 1: try and kill her and then she chickened out. I mean,

235
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,640
Speaker 1: so actually was going along with the fact that he

236
00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,200
Speaker 1: was going to murder his girlfriend, not just letting this

237
00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,880
Speaker 1: woman keep waiting until she finally got killed. However, he

238
00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,840
Speaker 1: is the one that did the actual killing. Think about

239
00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,680
Speaker 1: that scene that you described. Here's a woman who's blindfolded

240
00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,760
Speaker 1: thinking that she's going to smell candles and then boom,

241
00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,840
Speaker 1: gets hit, bludgeoned without even knowing what was coming. And

242
00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,280
Speaker 1: so as guilty as his girlfriend is, I really do

243
00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:57,440
Speaker 1: believe he's the one that's going to be, you know, chastised, jailed,

244
00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,160
Speaker 1: punished for the murder because he didn't. I don't know,

245
00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,640
Speaker 1: sometimes the jury gets so disgusted as a co defendant

246
00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,000
Speaker 1: they find the defendant not guilty. I mean, I've seen

247
00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,720
Speaker 1: it happen. It hasn't happened to me, but it has happened.

248
00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Darryl Cohen, she was so part of this

249
00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,160
Speaker 1: murder plot, even claiming she left behind one of Kelsey's

250
00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,760
Speaker 1: teeth for investigators to find. She left behind a tooth

251
00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,480
Speaker 1: like what she's supposed to get a gold star for that.

252
00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean, she just makes me sick, Daryl. She makes

253
00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,560
Speaker 1: me sick. She makes me sick as well, Dancy, and

254
00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,320
Speaker 1: she probably should be a co defendant. But on the

255
00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,120
Speaker 1: other hand, does the state have enough evidence without her

256
00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,560
Speaker 1: to prove his guilt? And if her story is as

257
00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:48,080
Speaker 1: weird as it sounds, then it's probably true and the jury,

258
00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:54,400
Speaker 1: in my view, properly if the defense lawyer is not

259
00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,520
Speaker 1: able to crack her story, then I think they'll convict

260
00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,160
Speaker 1: him and they'll be disgusted with her. And I wouldn't

261
00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,920
Speaker 1: be at all surprised if the jury could say we

262
00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,720
Speaker 1: think she should have been a co defendant as opposed

263
00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,800
Speaker 1: to getting hurt. Well, they can't write that on the

264
00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,440
Speaker 1: guilty verdant. You know, they may think it, They may

265
00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,160
Speaker 1: think it. Hey, Alexis terrectiate with me. Radar online dot

266
00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:21,480
Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Alexis Jackie here in the studio wants

267
00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,399
Speaker 1: to know was Kelsey's phone ever found? And I believe

268
00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,439
Speaker 1: that it was. And again it was the Rodeo Queen

269
00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,800
Speaker 1: Crystal Lee is the one that threw it away. She

270
00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,639
Speaker 1: threw it away three states away, and she was texting

271
00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,479
Speaker 1: the guy she was pretending to be her, texting, pretending

272
00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,200
Speaker 1: to Kelsey texting him, so to kind of leave a

273
00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,080
Speaker 1: fake trail of evidence to throw investigators off. What do

274
00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,200
Speaker 1: you expect from her testimony, Alexis she set to testify

275
00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,640
Speaker 1: for the state. I think that she will tell all

276
00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,680
Speaker 1: of the details. I think she'll tell exactly how what

277
00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,800
Speaker 1: it looked like when she came there. I think she

278
00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,679
Speaker 1: will describe how they cleaned the body parts up. I

279
00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,920
Speaker 1: think she'll describe how they put her into some sort

280
00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,520
Speaker 1: of container or bags or whatnot and took her body out,

281
00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,359
Speaker 1: and then how she drove away, and how she was

282
00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,199
Speaker 1: in constant contact with Patrick and he was telling her

283
00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,240
Speaker 1: what to do from her own phone, and that's when

284
00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,600
Speaker 1: you know she sent the text messages from Kelsey's phone.

285
00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,840
Speaker 1: I think she's gonna really I think I think this

286
00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,200
Speaker 1: could be a really good thing. She's going to explain

287
00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,600
Speaker 1: every single detail of the crime. And I don't know

288
00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,199
Speaker 1: why she all of a sudden flipped. I don't you

289
00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,880
Speaker 1: know she was really involved because they were gonna diet

290
00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,040
Speaker 1: her as a codefendant for murder. I guess obviously that's

291
00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,040
Speaker 1: why she flipped. What do you mean they what they

292
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,960
Speaker 1: did with body parts? What are you talking about, Alexis, Well,

293
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,800
Speaker 1: she said, you know she left a tooth behind. I don't.

294
00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,919
Speaker 1: I wasn't there. I don't know, and this hasn't been

295
00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,880
Speaker 1: say did. I don't think she pulled that tooth out?

296
00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:54,120
Speaker 1: So I think that this woman was really, really badly hurt. Okay,

297
00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,560
Speaker 1: I don't really count a tooth as being a body part.

298
00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,560
Speaker 1: But you say tomato, I say tomato. Long story. She's

299
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:19,680
Speaker 1: going to testify crime stories with Nancy Grace. The connection

300
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,399
Speaker 1: between Barett and Lee is Patrick Frazy. He was the

301
00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,680
Speaker 1: now deceased Bareth's boyfriend and father to their one year

302
00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:33,040
Speaker 1: old child, and, according to acquaintances also dating Lee, police

303
00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,000
Speaker 1: believe Phrasie killed Bareth then hit her body on Thanksgiving Day.

304
00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,879
Speaker 1: Barett's cell phone was turned on after she died, pining

305
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,240
Speaker 1: a cell tower near Twin Falls, where Lee lives. Lee

306
00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 1: is not in custody, and Fox thirty one can't find

307
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,920
Speaker 1: any criminal charges pending on public court documents, Yet her

308
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,640
Speaker 1: scheduled appearance in Teller County indicates she's cut a plea deal.

309
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at nine News, Denver to James

310
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,680
Speaker 1: shell Nutt, twenty seven years Metro major case swat officer

311
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 1: now lawyer. How powerful will her testimony be? Will or

312
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 1: will it make the jury sick to their stomachs that

313
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 1: she's walking. I think it's going to be both. I

314
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,719
Speaker 1: think that the jury is going to be sick of her.

315
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,400
Speaker 1: They're not gonna lock her. But I do think that

316
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 1: there is some credibility to her testimony. As disgusting and

317
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 1: bile as she is. You know, one thing is you know,

318
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 1: she led them to some evidence, uh specifically in the

319
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 1: house that they did not know of. That has not

320
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 1: been published yet, but the report saw her that she

321
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: led them to corroborating evidence that they didn't previously know about.

322
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what that evidence is, but if that

323
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: is the case, yea, that could provide some some level

324
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 1: of benefit. Also as possible that she gave them some

325
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 1: information about the first location that Kelsey's body was taken to,

326
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 1: which is a place called Nash Farm Nash Ranch. And

327
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 1: I believe that she is the one, based off the

328
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 1: reports I've read, that actually gave the police that information.

329
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: That information allowed the police to match Phrasey's cell phone

330
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: pings to the cell phone pings of Kelsey. And when

331
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 1: you look at those things and they can corroborate some

332
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 1: of the evidence and some of the testimony that she's given,

333
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 1: that maybe just enough credibility. Even though the jury does

334
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,880
Speaker 1: not like her, just enough credibility for the jury to say, hey,

335
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: she's telling the truth about this, and Phrasie did through

336
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: this Mark. We also know that the so called girlfriend,

337
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 1: Crystal Lee, admitted to destroying Barra's phone, getting rid of

338
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: her keys and a gun, all to help Phrasie cover

339
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: his tracks. You know, I'll never understand it, Karen Stark.

340
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: Why would a girlfriend so blindly go along with a

341
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: killer boyfriend? Unfortunately, nasty the things that people do for love,

342
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: and this is pure desperation. She wanted his love. Obviously,

343
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: She's not a saint, she's not a good person, and

344
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: so she went along and did whatever he wanted her

345
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: to do, including cleaning up this horrible crime scene. And

346
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: she's trying to paint herself as somebody. Well I left

347
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: her too, I'm cooperating. But she's evil. Yeah, you know,

348
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: I've got a feeling that's not in the DSMI they

349
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: diagnostic of manual. She's evil, but I like it. Alexas

350
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 1: Terrestia writ or Online dot com. What do we know

351
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 1: as as it relates to what happened to Kelsey's body?

352
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: And is there any hope it will ever be recovered?

353
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: Least have been searching again. They searched in a landfill

354
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 1: near the area near her house, but they have not

355
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: found it. We don't know where it is and the

356
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: girlfriend has not said where it is. Crazy hasn't said

357
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: where it is. They had I guess some new evidence

358
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: and clues that perhaps it was in a land fill,

359
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: but so far it has not turned up. They have

360
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: said they're not getting I thought that he burned it

361
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 1: at his mother's farm where he lived. They just recently

362
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: said they were looking at a landfill for it. They've

363
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: never found it. Wow, Okay, try to jump in. Yeah.

364
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: You know. One of the compelling things about this case

365
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: is that we are absent a body, and I think

366
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: that's going to be one of the most difficult hurdles,

367
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 1: if there is a hurdle in this case for the

368
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: prosecution to overcome. It has been alleged that he may

369
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: have burned her body, But what if he had taken

370
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: that body, cleaned up all evidence of the burning at

371
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,959
Speaker 1: this scene at his mom's place, and then taken her

372
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: to a landfill. I've worked several cases involving landfills and

373
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 1: Nancy it's an absolute nightmare because as everything gets layered

374
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: in there, and it's this highly aerobic environment that means

375
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: that there's all these little critters at a microbial level

376
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: that are just churning and digesting things over a period

377
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: of time. You've got the equipment that are running over

378
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: things back and forth and back and forth. I think

379
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: that it's going to be very difficult to recover anything

380
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: of her if she is in fact in that landfill.

381
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: And I think that that's that's going to be the

382
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: biggest thing to overcome for these attorneys. Can they bring

383
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: her to life in this courtroom? That's going to be key.

384
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you something, jes Scott. Why

385
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,239
Speaker 1: do you believe that she was burned? Well, it's just

386
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: one of the indications that uh, that that investigators have

387
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: intimated at least and I don't necessarily know, uh that

388
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: we're actually going to know if she was burned, but

389
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: it would not be surprising. Listen. He's gone to great

390
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: links to try to to get rid of anything and

391
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: I mean anything uh that uh that would give indication

392
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: that she still exists anywhere, um, you know, and the

393
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: fact that he did attempt to if he allegedly tried

394
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: to burn her, then that would just go to this

395
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: overall idea that he's trying to destroy her body and

396
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: then on top of it, go back and distribute her

397
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: remains in this remote area in this landfill. And listen

398
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: the area that they are in Nancy. For folks that

399
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: haven't been out there, it is vast. There's any number

400
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: of places this body could have been deposited. And that's

401
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: that's the chart that the police have been facing all

402
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: of these years, all of these months. It's my understanding

403
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: that the girlfriend, Crystal Lee Kenney, is going to state

404
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: that she believes Patrick Frasye burned Keltzy's body, that he

405
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: hid her body and his mother's barn in a black

406
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: totebox for a period of time, a piece of evidence

407
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: prosecutors have called vital to the investigation that during the murder,

408
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: the little baby girl was in a room nearby. That

409
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: phrase went to Thanksgiving dinner after the murder that very

410
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: same night. She also says that she drove to Colorado

411
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: with rubber gloves, a sanitary suit used for painting, and

412
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: bleach to clean up the crime scene, picked up the

413
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: keys to Bearer's home, got rid of them. That when

414
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: she got in the home, she was confronted with an

415
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: unthinkable scene, that it was horrific that she couldn't believe

416
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: it ad quote actually happened. That she got rid of

417
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: a bloody bible, the sweater used to cover Bearer's eyes,

418
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: wiped blood off surfaces all around the home, that she

419
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: left a tooth and blood behind for investigators to find.

420
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 1: She pointed to blood spatters for the police that they

421
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: had not been able to see before. She took them

422
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: to the barn, where she said Phrasey hid the body,

423
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: and not only that, a cadaver dog picked up a

424
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: scent there in the barn there was a piece of

425
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: discolored hey where the girlfriend claims the container with Kelsey's

426
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: body in it was stored. Later, she said that she

427
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: went back to the barn, that the killer fiance, Patrick Frasy,

428
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: had put his fiance in a trough doused it with gasoline,

429
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: and that the fire was so large Frasie's mother came

430
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: outside to check and see what was happening. We now

431
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: believe that after that, according to the girlfriend, Patrick Frasy

432
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: disposed of what was left of Barris's body and either

433
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: a landfilled a dump or a river. Crime stories with

434
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Welcome back, everybody on Nancy Grace, this is

435
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: Crime Stories, thank you for being with us. Straight out

436
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Ellen Kilauren ek

437
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: plays just in a nutshell. Give me the timeline, Let

438
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: me understand where the states headed. Kelsey disappeared on November

439
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: twenty second, which is Thanksgiving Day. We know that on

440
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: that day she went to a Safeway supermarket near her

441
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: home in Woodland Park, Colorado. She had her one year

442
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 1: old daughter with her. There After that, she met with

443
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: her fiance, Patrick Frazy and handed off her daughter. Two

444
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: messages were sent from her cell phone on Monday, November

445
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: twenty fifth. Excuse me. One was to her fiance and

446
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: another was to her employer, Doss Aviation, where she works

447
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: as a white White Allan Kilauren crime online dot Com.

448
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: Are you telling me she actually spoke verbally to her

449
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: employer or textit her email? No, it was a text.

450
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: It was a text message sent from her phone. Okay

451
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: and white, I thought you said she the last person

452
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: she spoke to was the fiance and the employer. They

453
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: were both text messages. So she spoke to nobody. Say

454
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: that she spoke to nobody other than her mother that

455
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: previously the last voice conversation that her mother had with

456
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: her was on Thanksgiving Day, and she saw her fiance

457
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: in person later that day, so the last person she

458
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: actually spoke with was her mother several days before she

459
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: goes missing. Karen Smith, why do I always have to

460
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: be the bad guy? Can you explain to Ellen why

461
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: every word counts? It's very important having text messages rather

462
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: than a vocal call. I mean, come on, this is

463
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: this is law enforcement in forensics one oh one. A

464
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: text message can be sent by anybody who has access

465
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: to that phone if it's not pass code enforced. If

466
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: you have a thumb print, that actually you have access

467
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: too because you put your thumb print on that phone

468
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: when it was unlocked at some point, it's not that

469
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: difficult anymore. So if it's only text messages, we don't

470
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: know who sent them. They're going to have to go

471
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: into that phone and figure out where those text messages

472
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: were actually sent from. And that leads me to another

473
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: forensic point. Hold on, Ashley Willcott. I know you're chomping

474
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,959
Speaker 1: at the bit, Doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist. Let's go

475
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: into the mind of someone that would get rid of

476
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: a mother of a little baby girl. Okay, get rid

477
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: of her. And then this is my question, think to

478
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: use her phone to cover their tracks and text the boyfriend,

479
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: the fiance, text the employer and go, oh, I'm taking

480
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: a week off. That's a whole another animal from somebody

481
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: flying off the handle and getting mad at a bar

482
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: and go, you took my money. Bam, you're dead. Versus

483
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: killing somebody, disposing of the body and then making all

484
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: these surreptitious texts and you know, emails to cover your tracks.

485
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: That's a whole different way of thinking, doctor Bober, I agree, Nancy,

486
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: it's on a hold. It's on a whole different level.

487
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: But like your previous guests said, those text messages, you know,

488
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: are going to be valuable because with text messages, unlike

489
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: with vocal communication, uh, you know, there is going to

490
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: be the amount of texting the words that were actually used,

491
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: and you know, people that are familiar with her are

492
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: going to know the way that she communicates. And so

493
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: there's I think a treasure trove of information potentially there

494
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: in those text messages. Okay, Alan colorin Um, it's really important.

495
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: It really is crucial. It's crucial when you're trying to

496
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: establish the timeline, which is where everything starts. Every investigation

497
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: starts with a timeline in the forensics around that timeline.

498
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: So let's talk about these. The last time she was saying,

499
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: was how many days before she was reported missing? Ten days? Okay,

500
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: just give me short brief answers. So we got ten days. Darn,

501
00:31:54,840 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: it's a long time. Now into that ten days, En,

502
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: Did the texts come in number one? And were they pinged?

503
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: And if so, from where the text came in? On

504
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: November twenty fifth, which is three days after she was

505
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: last seeing Okay, three days after she went missing, she

506
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: texts fiance an employer. Is that correct? Ellen? That's right?

507
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: So both of them were texted in one day. That's great.

508
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: Interesting day. Her phone was pinged in Idaho, about six

509
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: hundred miles away from where she lived, But authorities have

510
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: said they can't confirm that she was actually with her

511
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: phone at the time, but they can confirm that ping.

512
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: We know that the ping is correct. Yes, this girl

513
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: is no, it is. She's a flight instructor. Isn't that right, Ellen, Kilaurin.

514
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: She's a flying instructor. That's great. I mean this woman

515
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: can get up in a plane and fly around at

516
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: teach other people. This is let's look at what we know.

517
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: And I may have to go back to the shrink

518
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: on this one, as she will caught. A woman that's

519
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: calling her mom for a recipe is not a woman

520
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: who's gonna leave her mom hanging out in the wind,

521
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: doesn't know where you are it worried sick about you

522
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: not taking care of your baby girl. No, I mean

523
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: you see the dichotomy there right, Like I call my mother,

524
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 1: I call Miss Talbert from my little Methodist church in Macon,

525
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: various people for recipes, okay, because I love them and

526
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: their knowledge means something to me. Those are the people

527
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: you love that you call for recipes, Ashley. So here's

528
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: the thing about the texts on the bone. We see

529
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: it all so regrettably, someone could easily think, oh, I'm

530
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: just gonna text this person and this person or text

531
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: the boyfriend so they think she's fine and that gives

532
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: me more time with her. Twenty nine year old Kelsey

533
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: Berry Ethnobs seen since she was recorded on surveillance cameras

534
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: in a grocery store in Woodland Park, Colorado, with her

535
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: baby daughter. Her fiance tells that she dropped the baby

536
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 1: off after that grocery store trip, and he has not

537
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: seen or heard from her since. Straight out to Ellen

538
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: Klaura and Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Ellen, what

539
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: did you tell me about the fiance? Because that is

540
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: where every timeline starts, the last time someone was sane

541
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: or spoken to verbally, not by text or email, tell

542
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: me about the fiance. That's right. He was the last

543
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: person to see her, and we know that he was

544
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: not the person who contacted police, his lawyer, and he's

545
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: been with her daughter. His lawyer released his statement and

546
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: says that he did give a DNA slat of his mouth,

547
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: he did hand over his phone, but he did not

548
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: attend a press conference where her mother did attendance and

549
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: spoke and begged for her daughter's return. His lawyer claims

550
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: that Patrick didn't know about the press conference until an

551
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: hour before it began, otherwise he would have been there.

552
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: Kelse phone pinged about seven hundred miles away from where

553
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: she was last seen three days later. Now does that

554
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: make sense to you, Karen Smith, forensics experts, seven hundred

555
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: miles in three days? Does that make sense? It can

556
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: be done, well, sure, it can be done, but none

557
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: of it makes sense to me, Nancy who First of all,

558
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: if my fiance had gone missing, I would be freaking

559
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: out after three hours. First of all, ten days, ten days.

560
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: She was reported missing ten days later and the cell

561
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: phone things seven hundred miles away. Are you kidding me?

562
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: I would be all over the press. I would be

563
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: in front of every camera that would put my face

564
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: on television. I would be talking to everyone and anyone

565
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: if I had nothing to do with this. Ten days

566
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: is a long time to pass. Ashley well kind I'm

567
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: looking in the video right now. She comes in the

568
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: front of the grocery store. She's carrying the baby in

569
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: a car seat. Oh, it looks just like the ones

570
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: I would carry the twins in double fisted. She puts

571
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: the car seat in the front of a cart with

572
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: the baby face see her, you know that top area,

573
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: and then she drives off. She's got on a coat,

574
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: her hair's back in the bud, and the baby's all

575
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: bundled up all right now. The brother Clint Bareth said

576
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: that he realized she was missing, and Heat goes to

577
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: her home. And what the brother Clint Bareth says is

578
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: the only thing missing from the home was her pocketbook,

579
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: her luggage, her makeup, all untouched in her two vehicles

580
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: are still at the home. Ellen Claurine, you left that

581
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: little detail out. Both the cars are at the house,

582
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: her luggage, her makeup, all that. The only thing missing

583
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: is her pocketbook, which I'd like to point out she

584
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 1: had with her when she was at the grocery store.

585
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalse Nancy Gray's crime story, signing

586
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,