WEBVTT - Blue Seattle with Cameron Crowe | Development Hell

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Hello, Hello, Malcolm Glabel here, and welcome to what

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<v Speaker 1>might be the final episode in our development hell series

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<v Speaker 1>of Revision's history. Today we're talking about Alvis Love down

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<v Speaker 1>on his street. That person singing is not Elvias.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the people.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Cameron Crowe. You've seen his movies. Jerry Maguire almost famous,

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<v Speaker 1>he wrote Fast Times at Ridgemont High, so many more.

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<v Speaker 1>And the guitarist on this song is Nancy Wilson from

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<v Speaker 1>the mega nineteen seventies band Heart, who at the time

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<v Speaker 1>was Cameron Crowe's wife. And the story we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about today starts back in the summer of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty six, when Cameron and Nancy were on their honeymoon.

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<v Speaker 1>They spent it in a little cabin in the Pacific Northwest,

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<v Speaker 1>a little cabin that would become the birthplace for today's

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<v Speaker 1>movie that Never was Blue Seattle, a loving romp about

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<v Speaker 1>two songwriters trying to write a movie for Elvis Presley,

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<v Speaker 1>A movie about a couple writing a movie, written by

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<v Speaker 1>a couple writing a movie. What's not to love? A

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<v Speaker 1>script so meta that it belongs on the big screen.

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<v Speaker 1>Only the big screen wasn't big enough to handle it

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, because one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>you might conclude in listening to this interview is that

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<v Speaker 1>for Cameron Crowe, it is so much fun talking about

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<v Speaker 1>his lost Elvis masterpiece that I think he's afraid that

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<v Speaker 1>if he actually makes it, he'll feel abandoned, like a

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<v Speaker 1>version of screenwriter empty nest syndrome. So let's tell the

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<v Speaker 1>story of Blue Seattle. And this interview is different from

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<v Speaker 1>all the other development hell stories we told on the

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<v Speaker 1>series because instead of giving us the script to his movie,

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<v Speaker 1>Cam and Crope gave us the songs he and Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>wrote forty years ago. As in every Elvis movie, the

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<v Speaker 1>best parts of the songs to capture a moment, that

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<v Speaker 1>honeymoon bursts of creative inspiration, and they tell a story

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<v Speaker 1>but a young couple in love. I've been looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to this. Let's start from the beginning because this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is a story that needs, as you know, appropriate setup.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, when we first talked, I went down a road

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<v Speaker 3>that felt very friendly and evocative and filled with memories.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you are an Elvis guy, your revisionist history on

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<v Speaker 3>Elvis was seminal, and this idea of like never made

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<v Speaker 3>projects from the heart and stuff. It combined with my

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<v Speaker 3>love of Elvis and a particular part of Elvis to

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<v Speaker 3>you just want to like put this in your lap, Malcolm.

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<v Speaker 3>This is this was one that got away.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's start with Elvis. So you your first concert

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<v Speaker 1>you ever attended as a kid, right, is an Elvis concert?

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<v Speaker 3>That's right? I won tickets on the radio.

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<v Speaker 1>It's your twelve Yeah, something like that. Which Elvis are

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<v Speaker 1>you getting in that low period?

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<v Speaker 3>Elvis seventy two, Elvis.

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<v Speaker 1>The big, the big high Collers.

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<v Speaker 3>Big high Callers, karate kicks. He was a little obsessed

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<v Speaker 3>with Nixon. In my San Diego Sports Arena show, he

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<v Speaker 3>did an imitation of Nixon and at one point was

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<v Speaker 3>on his back kind of kicking his legs, just having fun.

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<v Speaker 3>The kid was having fun at my show.

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<v Speaker 1>Baroke, it's baro You got Barroke Elvis.

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<v Speaker 3>I got Baroque Elvis. But Malcolm, he did. There was

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<v Speaker 3>one moment where it just broke through, like his genius

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<v Speaker 3>really broke through. And it was a brief moment of

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<v Speaker 3>sunlight through the clouds, but it was bridge over trouble

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<v Speaker 3>water and I felt him connect and there was that

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<v Speaker 3>moment where it was galvanizing and giving what he wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to give, and the audience was like mid shriek and

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<v Speaker 3>kind of taking it in. And and that was that

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<v Speaker 3>was the DNA you were meant to build up from

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<v Speaker 3>watching the show. Okay, there he is when you were feelings,

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<v Speaker 3>it was kind of fun in games Elvis.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this is so much of your life's work

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<v Speaker 1>kind of grows, is growing from the tiny seed of

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<v Speaker 1>not the all that of that Elvis concert, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean almost famous. So this this concert had a huge

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<v Speaker 1>impact on you.

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<v Speaker 3>It did, and also also Malcolm because like I took

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<v Speaker 3>my mom and my mom you know, if you if

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<v Speaker 3>you've seen all famous.

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<v Speaker 4>It's unfair that we can't listen to our music.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because it is about drugs and promiscuous sex.

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<v Speaker 4>Simon and garfun is poetry, Yes, it's poetry. It is

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<v Speaker 4>a poetry of drugs and promiscuous sex. Honey, they're on POTT.

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<v Speaker 3>So that week changes a lot. So this was the

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<v Speaker 3>door that gets cracked open where rock and of course

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<v Speaker 3>my future love and that combined with journalism. I was

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<v Speaker 3>on my way, but Elvis was there at the gates,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and I still was obsessed with Elvis but

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<v Speaker 3>I was obsessed with the corners of Elvis's experience, and

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<v Speaker 3>one of those corners was his movies. And I loved

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<v Speaker 3>those B movies. Some might even call them C and

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<v Speaker 3>D movies. There he comes out of the box hot

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<v Speaker 3>with Loving You and Jail House Rock, but eventually he's

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<v Speaker 3>doing genre things for the money that Colonel Parker has

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<v Speaker 3>put him up for. And you know, there's a set

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<v Speaker 3>formula for the Elvis movies that happened. And I became

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<v Speaker 3>obsessed with those movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, And you became obsessed with them because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing I was trying to figure out is I

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<v Speaker 1>listened to the music of the project we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. Was I was trying to understand your intentions

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<v Speaker 1>and your So are you obsessed in a kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of that's so delicately put? I love it?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it is?

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<v Speaker 5>It is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you winking at Elvis? Are you sharing in the fun?

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<v Speaker 1>Or are you buying it?

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<v Speaker 3>All of the above? All I think you just you

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<v Speaker 3>just have to enjoy it for what it is, which

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<v Speaker 3>which is a romp. Elvis often did three of those

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<v Speaker 3>movies in a year. You can see he's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>confused by the character names they call him by. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like he's he's lost, He's he's brilliantly lost. It's just,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you see so much. It's almost watching his

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<v Speaker 3>face in these movies. It's like a diary that he

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<v Speaker 3>never wrote. You can see why am I here? You

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<v Speaker 3>can see glimmers of oh this is good, and Margaret

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<v Speaker 3>Viva las Vegas. Wait a minute, she's challenging me. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's all there, hidden in this candy colored genre romp

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<v Speaker 3>that the Elvis movies became so all of the above.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, sir, So you developed early on, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>a rich and nuanced interpretation of who Elvis was and

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<v Speaker 1>what he stands for. Yes, and that's that's Is there

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<v Speaker 1>any other artist who plays a comparable role in your

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<v Speaker 1>in the development of your imagination?

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<v Speaker 3>No, because there's only one guy who was or artist

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<v Speaker 3>who was so huge that he was able to make

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<v Speaker 3>thirty throwaway movies that did well enough so that he

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<v Speaker 3>could keep doing it, perhaps against his will. Only one

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<v Speaker 3>person that I ever knew about, and we'll share this later,

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<v Speaker 3>did ask Elvis, like, why did you make all those movies?

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<v Speaker 3>And he gave this one person an answer, But mostly

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<v Speaker 3>he never did any interviews. He never commented on it.

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<v Speaker 3>He just did all those movies for fifteen years. They

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<v Speaker 3>squandered quite a bit, you know, as John Lennon would

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<v Speaker 3>would tell you in his interviews, like why is Elvis?

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<v Speaker 3>Why is the King? Just like you know, strolling around

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<v Speaker 3>Hollywood sound stages with B level stars singing like medium

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<v Speaker 3>decent songs, you know, but that's part of the mysteries

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<v Speaker 3>of Elvis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so we have this. This is the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the necessary context, Yes, the story that you're gonna tell.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay. So it's the eighties and I had written

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<v Speaker 3>Fast Times at Ridgemont High which like amazingly kind of

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<v Speaker 3>found an audience, so I kind of had a shot

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<v Speaker 3>at possibly a screenwriting career. And in the middle of

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<v Speaker 3>all this, I perhaps most importantly, fell in love with

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<v Speaker 3>Nancy Wilson, the great Nancy Wilson, amazing guitarist, half of

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<v Speaker 3>the Wilson sisters who front their band Heart. So we

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<v Speaker 3>were together for a while and then decided to get married.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was a beautiful time. And Anne Wilson, Nancy's sister,

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<v Speaker 3>had a cabin in Cannon Beach, Oregon, and that was

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<v Speaker 3>where we wanted to go for a little honeymoon, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just borrow the cabin from Ann. Now this you must

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<v Speaker 3>know as a setup is Ann and Nancy Wilson. To

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<v Speaker 3>this day, they're like the everly sisters. They sing together

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like, you know, there's no thought that goes

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<v Speaker 3>into it. They have the sibling voices that blend so

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<v Speaker 3>beautifully their musical twins in a way, and sings. Nancy

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<v Speaker 3>sing a little bit, but mostly plays this elegant, beautiful guitar.

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<v Speaker 3>They're a serious duo. So ten days into our honeymoon,

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<v Speaker 3>which was how long we wanted to spend at Anne's cabin,

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<v Speaker 3>we decid we want to spend two weeks. We want

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<v Speaker 3>to spend a little bit longer. But Anne wants to

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<v Speaker 3>come to her cabin. So Ann Wilson shows up on

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<v Speaker 3>our honeymoon, which is an interesting thing for a small cabin.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a sitcom in a way. Here you have

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<v Speaker 3>the two sisters with you on your honeymoon with one

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<v Speaker 3>of them, and what are you going to do in

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<v Speaker 3>this in this small environment in a in a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>coastal town in Oregon where not much is going on. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to do a project, a musical project that

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<v Speaker 3>will involve all three of us. Whose idea was this

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<v Speaker 3>mine because I love watching them sing together. And Nancy

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<v Speaker 3>would later score my movies and stuff, and so we

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<v Speaker 3>worked really well together and AND's a lot of fun. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>all all of this being said, I was working loosely

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<v Speaker 3>on a book I wanted to do about Elvis movies,

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<v Speaker 3>So so that was on my mind. And like any

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<v Speaker 3>idea that you believe is good, it's built on the

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<v Speaker 3>things you love, and Elvis was one. Playing music with

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<v Speaker 3>my wife was another, and s c TV and Martin

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<v Speaker 3>Short was a third element. I loved Martin Short, that

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<v Speaker 3>great that great comedy show s c TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember I'm Canadian.

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<v Speaker 3>So here comes this idea for a kind of and

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<v Speaker 3>this is the cousin of what you're doing, Malcolm. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like lost masterpieces. What's What's What's something that like a

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<v Speaker 3>movie that almost got made? And it's built on the

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<v Speaker 3>burning fever inside your gut that this is the idea

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<v Speaker 3>of all time. So I started building this idea of

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<v Speaker 3>the great Elvis movie that never got made and what's

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<v Speaker 3>the story behind it? And I decided that it was

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<v Speaker 3>like you had Goffin and King, who are like a

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<v Speaker 3>great couple songwriting their legends. They'd written all these great songs.

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<v Speaker 3>The Beatles did some of them. I thought, like, what

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<v Speaker 3>about a much lesser Goffin and King, Like, what about

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<v Speaker 3>a couple who's the songwriting team They haven't gotten in

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<v Speaker 3>the door. And it's Parnell and Zix was their name,

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<v Speaker 3>Linda Parnell and Louis Zix. And Louis Zix of these

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<v Speaker 3>two songwriters, is obsessed with writing. He hears Elvis may

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<v Speaker 3>do one more movie, and he's gonna write with with

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<v Speaker 3>with his songwriting partner wife, they're gonna write this song

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<v Speaker 3>cycle for the ten songs of an Elvis movie that

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<v Speaker 3>they're gonna pitch and make. And this is the beginning

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<v Speaker 3>of Blue Seattle, which is their song cycle Malcolm, that

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<v Speaker 3>they're gonna try and sell to Elvis himself. And so

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<v Speaker 3>here on our honeymoon, I began to write these Elvis

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<v Speaker 3>songs that were fleshed out with Ann and Nancy Wilson

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<v Speaker 3>of heart and and and un ironically, really mostly we

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<v Speaker 3>were gonna do these songs that that captured all the

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<v Speaker 3>elements of the Elvis movie formula.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, before we get into the songs themselves, which I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say, are genius? I want you to define

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<v Speaker 1>you said all the elements of the eleph movie formula.

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<v Speaker 1>Break it down from before we start. What what are

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<v Speaker 1>the elements, the crucial.

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<v Speaker 3>Elements, okay, the the the Elvis elements of this. First

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<v Speaker 3>of all, he has to have a name that sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like a fist, you know, nothing too complex, just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like deep Rivers was one Buck Thomas, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>so like we we thought, you start with a name

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<v Speaker 3>that's like, you know, Mike Davis something like that. And

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<v Speaker 3>and Elvis must always have workplace pride. He needs to

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<v Speaker 3>do a couple different things in an Elvis movie of

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<v Speaker 3>this era, but like they're often a strange combination of things,

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<v Speaker 3>like he can be a veterinarian who's also a race

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<v Speaker 3>car driver who also works in a county fair somehow

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<v Speaker 3>living you know, a little kid should appear at some

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<v Speaker 3>point looking for kind of some kind of mentorship, which

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<v Speaker 3>he provides, usually in the form of a song. Dancing

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<v Speaker 3>girls must appear.

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<v Speaker 4>In the Garden of Paradise, Noble Master.

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<v Speaker 3>So like that. It's worked in a fight, at least

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<v Speaker 3>one fight, and a thoughtful moment over a pet. Come on, Albert,

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<v Speaker 3>don't be a faint.

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<v Speaker 1>A good album because, of course Elvis. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>his dog, his love of dog. I mean the seminal

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<v Speaker 1>of what was the seminal dog in Elvis's life. I've

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<v Speaker 1>now forgotten the one that song he used to sing

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<v Speaker 1>over and over and over again as a teen was

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<v Speaker 1>a song about a dead dog, Shep.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's Shep. Yeah. These are the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stations of the Elvis cross that you've.

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<v Speaker 3>Us the stations of the cross. You can't say it

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<v Speaker 3>any better.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot going on in these movies.

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<v Speaker 3>And he lined them up, man, he lined them up

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<v Speaker 3>and did them. But then ultimately we end up at

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<v Speaker 3>a place where Elvis's nobility is protected. He either gets

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<v Speaker 3>the girl or he doesn't get the girl, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>a there's a rave up song that sends you out

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<v Speaker 3>feeling good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's the Elvis movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have you watched all the album Elvis movies?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely. And as long as you have these elements,

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<v Speaker 3>you're in the ballgame. Yeah. And of course the songs

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<v Speaker 3>are written outside of Elvis's experience, and usually they come

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<v Speaker 3>to him and at some point and they play him

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<v Speaker 3>the songs, and you know, legendarily he's like, no, no, okay,

0:16:26.956 --> 0:16:29.636
<v Speaker 3>I do something with that. Okay, No, okay, now I'm tired,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Like, and they bring more songs another day.

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<v Speaker 3>And these are songs that the songwriters have like killed

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<v Speaker 3>themselves over because they know they're gonna have a session

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<v Speaker 3>with Elvis, you know, yeah, yeah, And this was the

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<v Speaker 3>songwriting couple in the story, my fictional story for lu Seattle,

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<v Speaker 3>Like their dream is that they will one day be

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<v Speaker 3>able to play these songs for Elvis and pitch this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we going to hear some of those songs, dear listener,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes we are. After quick Break, Cameron Crowe is

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<v Speaker 1>going to play us some of the music from Blue Seattle.

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<v Speaker 1>So you sat down, you're there. How long did it

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<v Speaker 1>take to write these ten songs?

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<v Speaker 3>Like four or five days? Because I remember we made

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<v Speaker 3>this cassette that we're going to listen to mercifully a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of yes, maybe a lot, but there's I

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<v Speaker 3>remember we listened to it on our way back from

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<v Speaker 3>the honeymoon. We were like, this is really pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wait, why don't we let's play that one? I

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<v Speaker 1>actually I think you're being far too modest. I have

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<v Speaker 1>another one I want to recommend, but we'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>that one. Just play just to get us in the mood.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's listen to your favorite of the ten songs you wrote.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be My People, My People.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's listen to My People.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me set it up. We wanted to bring Elvis

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<v Speaker 3>this movie in the late sixties because this is kind

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<v Speaker 3>of the period where post Elvis has started to develop

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of a social conscience. So the idea

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<v Speaker 3>is Elvis plays a cab driver in this who is

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<v Speaker 3>a man kind of of the people. And so like

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<v Speaker 3>the idea of Elvis roaming the streets in Seattle and

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<v Speaker 3>like Pike Place and all that stuff. We loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>And so there is a moment where he realizes he

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<v Speaker 3>he must return to the relevance of the street where

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<v Speaker 3>he was once this cab driver, and he leaves this

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<v Speaker 3>relationship that has kind of belittled him in some ways.

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<v Speaker 3>And so he's like going back to his roots, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's singing this song from behind the wheel of his cab,

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<v Speaker 3>My People, And it's always good. I'll just add this,

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<v Speaker 3>It's always good when you have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>a of a Spanish kind of castinette, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Clove down in his street watching from my seat. These

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<v Speaker 2>are the people, my people in the city. Raid, I

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<v Speaker 2>seem to know my these are the people, my people.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just an afty.

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<v Speaker 6>How did mine.

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<v Speaker 4>My review?

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<v Speaker 2>Mar excuse me in my crime?

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<v Speaker 4>I must be seeing my bride.

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<v Speaker 1>For the people, the people of people people.

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<v Speaker 3>A little bit.

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<v Speaker 7>You're a moment in there, and now another one. He's

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<v Speaker 7>gonna be clapping, even though he has danse hands on

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<v Speaker 7>the wheel simp figure.

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<v Speaker 1>It out almost.

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<v Speaker 2>To the people.

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<v Speaker 1>People you can. Actually, it's funny. That's like totally believable.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't Elvis song? If Alvis? Have I heard that on

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<v Speaker 1>an Elvis album? I'm not thinking twice about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I've come such a long way to hear you say that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean I'm not I'm not blowing smoke here.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I felt that too at your time. Almost sell

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<v Speaker 3>that to to to Elvis. Yeah, for one of those movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who's playing guitar on that?

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<v Speaker 3>Nancy and Ann are both playing guitar and singing, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like attempting to do an Elvis voice?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is it's not that the wake link for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not your range.

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<v Speaker 3>Fantastic. You know, they can play anything at the drop

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<v Speaker 3>of a hat, and their harmonies are so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, let's so let's start from the view. So Blue

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<v Speaker 1>Seattle is set's the is the first song sets the

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<v Speaker 1>tone here, and we we're what are we? What are

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<v Speaker 1>we doing?

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<v Speaker 8>What do we?

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<v Speaker 1>What are what are we trying to do? Narratively with

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<v Speaker 1>Blue Blue Seattle.

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<v Speaker 3>Usher you into uh an Elvis world of time and

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<v Speaker 3>place and character. Yeah, where fun will perhaps abound.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's let's play a little, just the first half

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and then just to get a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>feel we get in the mood, Let's let's hear a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Leathers always in LUs.

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<v Speaker 6>Green mountains, a maple.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the native influence was thing through.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going back to the place where I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>A pretty little ship of warm man. Just kg.

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<v Speaker 1>The sticks are rare boom. I thought the opening this

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<v Speaker 1>should be the theme for Seattle. First of all, Blue Seattle.

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<v Speaker 1>Seattle needs to call itself blue because everyone thinks they're

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<v Speaker 1>gray Seattle, so as a marketing campaign to remind us

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<v Speaker 1>that the skies are blue in the mountains are green

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<v Speaker 1>is like. And secondly, just those opening this place made

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<v Speaker 1>the town made for love. I mean, come on, why

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<v Speaker 1>is the city not make this just that those three

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<v Speaker 1>opening lines. That's the That should be the official tagline

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<v Speaker 1>for Seattle.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything takes its time. I'm realizing to come to this

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<v Speaker 3>crossroads with you is really meaningful. So yeah, once he did.

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<v Speaker 3>It happened at the World's Fair in Seattle. So this

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<v Speaker 3>is like a reunion with uh, with an Elvis city

0:23:48.836 --> 0:23:51.076
<v Speaker 3>that's like undervalued as an Elvis city.

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<v Speaker 1>But wait, yes, Elvis. Elvis plays Seattle during the expo.

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<v Speaker 3>He makes a movie. It happened at the World's Fair.

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<v Speaker 3>I forget who the co star is, but like the

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<v Speaker 3>space needle is on the poster for it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good nastic oh oh wow, a little kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a little a little a little phallic imagery to

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<v Speaker 1>add to the we then we come to pay the fair. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and as you said earlier, in the kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>in the Elvis movie taxonomy that you created, he needs

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<v Speaker 1>to have multiple jobs, but one of them has to

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<v Speaker 1>be a kind of keeping it real, that's right. And

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<v Speaker 1>so the keep it real job we have here. We

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<v Speaker 1>understand that he's a cab driver.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a cab driver, looking for love.

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<v Speaker 1>Looking for course. Yeah, let's do let's do it. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>do a minute of let's do a minute of of

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<v Speaker 1>pay the fair.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see the little girl.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll stand a rod over there, maybe forty.

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<v Speaker 8>Understand she's a watch.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a watch.

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<v Speaker 8>He's a watch. He's a wall.

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<v Speaker 2>A fair.

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<v Speaker 3>Yuh, that little girl a little lot of like you.

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<v Speaker 3>But das and they sound and Nancy sounds so good

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<v Speaker 3>on this, they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that the thing that makes this genius is

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<v Speaker 1>because understanding that we have the Wilson sisters doing the

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<v Speaker 1>do do Do Do Do Do.

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<v Speaker 4>Do right.

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<v Speaker 1>Came when you when you're doing this project? Are they

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<v Speaker 1>what's there? They as into it as you are? There?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean A we're bored, yeah, but b it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>a it's a great question. There was mist there's like

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<v Speaker 3>waves crashing on the below these little cliffs where we're staying,

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<v Speaker 3>and in the middle of this we're just like howling

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<v Speaker 3>through these Elvis songs. It was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Honeymoon is there Is there a lot of weed involved

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<v Speaker 1>or not?

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<v Speaker 3>Not really? Not really. I think a lot of beers.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we were just like lining up beers doing

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<v Speaker 3>some of this stuff. Yeah, yeah, I think I think

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<v Speaker 3>we would have lost our hard Elvis edge if we'd

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<v Speaker 3>gone to the weed too much. That would be the

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<v Speaker 3>later Elvis movie, that's right. So Hiccups is the one's

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<v Speaker 3>there's usually a novelty song that's completely embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's what Hiccup is doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, where Elvis is asked to do something that's really

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<v Speaker 3>kind of beneath him and he knows that. You can

0:26:47.836 --> 0:26:50.316
<v Speaker 3>always see it in the movies when he's asked to

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<v Speaker 3>do this, to play patty Cakes with a little kid,

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<v Speaker 3>or or do a move like that, he usually, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're really looking at it with a microscope, he has

0:27:00.596 --> 0:27:02.756
<v Speaker 3>a little fun and then it gets old because they're

0:27:02.796 --> 0:27:04.636
<v Speaker 3>asking him to do a number of takes you can

0:27:04.756 --> 0:27:07.316
<v Speaker 3>usually tell. And so by the end of the novelty

0:27:07.436 --> 0:27:10.116
<v Speaker 3>song in the movies, he's so ready to move on.

0:27:11.116 --> 0:27:14.276
<v Speaker 3>But but it's important that he bonds with a child

0:27:14.556 --> 0:27:15.116
<v Speaker 3>and a pet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, those are crucial.

0:27:19.276 --> 0:27:19.516
<v Speaker 7>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just impossible not to be filled with sympathy for Elvis.

0:27:26.556 --> 0:27:28.436
<v Speaker 1>I would want no part of his life. It just said.

0:27:28.476 --> 0:27:31.796
<v Speaker 1>Everything about it just sounds he's locked up in this

0:27:31.916 --> 0:27:35.196
<v Speaker 1>gilded cage and he just sounds like he's desperately unhappy

0:27:35.356 --> 0:27:36.316
<v Speaker 1>almost all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and the further you go into the movies, you

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<v Speaker 3>see the anguish start to turn up. You can see

0:27:44.916 --> 0:27:50.836
<v Speaker 3>the anguish build and sometimes for whole movies he's annoyed,

0:27:54.756 --> 0:27:59.036
<v Speaker 3>kind of just wondering why he's there while he's doing

0:27:59.076 --> 0:27:59.676
<v Speaker 3>these lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's so. It's so heartbreaking, it is, but

0:28:04.796 --> 0:28:07.076
<v Speaker 1>still a little bit of hiccups, just so we understand

0:28:07.156 --> 0:28:09.396
<v Speaker 1>this the novelty because now that you say that, it

0:28:09.436 --> 0:28:11.316
<v Speaker 1>made I was puzzling. I was listening. It's like, why

0:28:11.356 --> 0:28:13.596
<v Speaker 1>is hiccups here? That's here?

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<v Speaker 2>Part this partlet a rhyme, the hiccup, No friend of mine,

0:28:24.396 --> 0:28:26.676
<v Speaker 2>there's no way to rid yourself.

0:28:27.436 --> 0:28:35.076
<v Speaker 1>Oh this a little scat hellup, yeah, big.

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<v Speaker 6>Big.

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<v Speaker 1>I was humming this to myself after a mile around.

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<v Speaker 3>Now this year. Right, this is a heartbreak. This is

0:28:47.756 --> 0:28:51.076
<v Speaker 3>like the guy who was truly dangerous is now doing

0:28:51.116 --> 0:28:51.916
<v Speaker 3>the hiccup song.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Culturally, my and.

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<v Speaker 1>That line at the end, my prescription is simply love.

0:28:59.716 --> 0:29:01.956
<v Speaker 1>When he goes to yeah, when he goes to all

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<v Speaker 1>the cures for the hiccups and then he comes as

0:29:04.796 --> 0:29:06.316
<v Speaker 1>to the only one that works for me is love,

0:29:06.516 --> 0:29:09.396
<v Speaker 1>which by the way, is like so poignant and so true.

0:29:09.436 --> 0:29:15.036
<v Speaker 1>The one thing he was lacking was love. Right, That's

0:29:15.076 --> 0:29:17.756
<v Speaker 1>a truer line has really been written of Elvis that

0:29:18.076 --> 0:29:21.996
<v Speaker 1>he got every other drug in quotes offered to him

0:29:21.996 --> 0:29:24.876
<v Speaker 1>and none worked. The only thing you need it was Yeah,

0:29:25.156 --> 0:29:25.636
<v Speaker 1>it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Super well said, and there was buried in the Hiccup song.

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<v Speaker 1>But the way, what's hilarious continuing hilarious is I said

0:29:33.156 --> 0:29:37.556
<v Speaker 1>before the contrast between two of the great guitar players

0:29:37.596 --> 0:29:42.636
<v Speaker 1>of our generation. And then it's a good Elvis impression.

0:29:42.676 --> 0:29:44.676
<v Speaker 1>But as you say, you if you are the weak,

0:29:46.116 --> 0:29:47.836
<v Speaker 1>you could only be you could only be though in

0:29:47.916 --> 0:29:48.476
<v Speaker 1>this company.

0:29:49.196 --> 0:29:52.876
<v Speaker 3>That's that's true. It's true. And and of course story wise,

0:29:52.956 --> 0:29:54.156
<v Speaker 3>which we'll we'll get to.

0:29:55.676 --> 0:29:55.716
<v Speaker 4>It.

0:29:56.356 --> 0:29:59.276
<v Speaker 3>These are the demos that the songwriting team within the

0:29:59.356 --> 0:30:01.796
<v Speaker 3>story are going to present to Elvis. So this would

0:30:01.836 --> 0:30:07.436
<v Speaker 3>be they're recording these themselves present to him, which which

0:30:07.476 --> 0:30:10.596
<v Speaker 3>i'll you know, we'll talk about in a second. Yeah, yeah,

0:30:10.836 --> 0:30:11.796
<v Speaker 3>I'll be brief.

0:30:12.156 --> 0:30:14.116
<v Speaker 1>I want to I want to play I want to

0:30:14.156 --> 0:30:16.716
<v Speaker 1>play One Chance to Love and then we listen, let's

0:30:16.756 --> 0:30:19.876
<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit more about about about context. This

0:30:19.876 --> 0:30:23.036
<v Speaker 1>this is this is where in this functions how.

0:30:24.156 --> 0:30:26.596
<v Speaker 3>I think this is kind of the looking over his

0:30:26.716 --> 0:30:33.236
<v Speaker 3>shoulder at the romantic landscape of Blue Seattle. He kind

0:30:33.276 --> 0:30:35.676
<v Speaker 3>of steps out and it's a single man in the

0:30:35.716 --> 0:30:40.676
<v Speaker 3>spotlight Roy Orbison kind of song. Yeah, that allows him

0:30:40.716 --> 0:30:45.156
<v Speaker 3>to uh, you know, flex his his vocal Elvis chops.

0:30:45.116 --> 0:30:46.916
<v Speaker 1>And this time I think we should listen to the

0:30:46.956 --> 0:30:49.556
<v Speaker 1>whole song. I think it's a lovely song. Yeah, just

0:30:49.596 --> 0:30:50.516
<v Speaker 1>do the whole thing.

0:30:51.756 --> 0:31:02.396
<v Speaker 8>H m, Dom, I've known you.

0:31:07.436 --> 0:31:14.716
<v Speaker 2>And yet I've loved you. No old as many greedy men.

0:31:16.676 --> 0:31:17.916
<v Speaker 3>With hands and gloves.

0:31:20.116 --> 0:31:23.436
<v Speaker 2>But I just want one.

0:31:23.876 --> 0:31:26.796
<v Speaker 4>One chance too loud.

0:31:30.876 --> 0:31:39.876
<v Speaker 3>What I want you to know? I am everything, yea Christ.

0:31:41.756 --> 0:31:43.716
<v Speaker 3>I don't have a lot to give, but I'm giving

0:31:43.796 --> 0:31:48.116
<v Speaker 3>it all here.

0:31:45.876 --> 0:31:59.796
<v Speaker 4>You coming man.

0:31:55.316 --> 0:31:56.156
<v Speaker 1>So helpless.

0:31:59.796 --> 0:32:00.516
<v Speaker 8>Would ask for.

0:32:05.876 --> 0:32:09.116
<v Speaker 2>Chances to look what I means.

0:32:10.956 --> 0:32:12.076
<v Speaker 8>No, I'll take my chid.

0:32:14.436 --> 0:32:16.116
<v Speaker 1>I'll take my chance of just one.

0:32:18.396 --> 0:32:19.676
<v Speaker 4>What chance?

0:32:49.676 --> 0:32:57.716
<v Speaker 3>There's only one chance, There's not two, there's only one.

0:32:57.756 --> 0:33:00.436
<v Speaker 1>I just think s great. I just I just love

0:33:00.476 --> 0:33:00.796
<v Speaker 1>this one.

0:33:03.356 --> 0:33:43.476
<v Speaker 5>We're building We're building this olf, Yeah.

0:33:25.556 --> 0:33:28.596
<v Speaker 1>We're we're we get the Wilson Sisters at the end.

0:33:28.836 --> 0:33:29.476
<v Speaker 3>You can't beat it.

0:33:29.556 --> 0:33:31.356
<v Speaker 1>We have real singers at.

0:33:31.236 --> 0:33:34.476
<v Speaker 3>The end, but the situation forgot what real city is like.

0:33:35.436 --> 0:33:36.876
<v Speaker 1>It's the least demo.

0:33:36.756 --> 0:33:38.876
<v Speaker 3>Ish mm hmmm mm hmmm.

0:33:39.076 --> 0:33:41.516
<v Speaker 1>It feels like by the end of this you're your

0:33:41.716 --> 0:33:43.956
<v Speaker 1>enthusiasm for the project is increasing.

0:33:44.596 --> 0:33:46.076
<v Speaker 3>You're exactly right.

0:33:46.676 --> 0:33:50.996
<v Speaker 1>That is the most Elvis, that's the most pure. If

0:33:50.996 --> 0:33:53.836
<v Speaker 1>you played that for anyone and said who would be

0:33:53.876 --> 0:33:56.476
<v Speaker 1>the ideal singer for that? Everyone everyone would say Elvis,

0:33:56.556 --> 0:33:57.356
<v Speaker 1>that's an Elvis song.

0:33:58.396 --> 0:34:01.116
<v Speaker 3>I'm so close to it, you know, I'm When you're

0:34:01.156 --> 0:34:04.876
<v Speaker 3>the artist, Malcolm, it's hard to look outside the character

0:34:04.956 --> 0:34:09.436
<v Speaker 3>you're playing. Sometimes. No, that's amazing, Thank you. I still

0:34:09.556 --> 0:34:10.396
<v Speaker 3>one chance to love.

0:34:10.756 --> 0:34:14.556
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, now that you've heard the songs, I think

0:34:14.596 --> 0:34:17.676
<v Speaker 1>you understand why I needed to see this movie. We're

0:34:17.676 --> 0:34:20.236
<v Speaker 1>gonna take a short break. When we come back, we

0:34:20.356 --> 0:34:22.276
<v Speaker 1>talk about how the story of the film turns out

0:34:22.836 --> 0:34:40.876
<v Speaker 1>and what it all means. So we've we've we've got

0:34:40.876 --> 0:34:44.596
<v Speaker 1>our ten songs, and now we're this is the core

0:34:44.716 --> 0:34:47.276
<v Speaker 1>of a of a narrative. You want to do you

0:34:47.316 --> 0:34:50.916
<v Speaker 1>want to do this kind of tongue in cheek Elvis movie, Yes,

0:34:52.036 --> 0:34:52.676
<v Speaker 1>pretending to.

0:34:52.956 --> 0:34:58.116
<v Speaker 3>Tell the story of how it almost happened? Or yeah,

0:34:58.556 --> 0:35:01.316
<v Speaker 3>could have happened that that idea is what kind of

0:35:01.396 --> 0:35:02.796
<v Speaker 3>landed for for this.

0:35:03.236 --> 0:35:05.276
<v Speaker 1>So to go back to the screenplay, did you actually

0:35:05.476 --> 0:35:07.716
<v Speaker 1>write a screenplay around those songs?

0:35:07.916 --> 0:35:08.996
<v Speaker 3>I did? I did?

0:35:09.156 --> 0:35:12.356
<v Speaker 1>So how does it begin with those two characters dreaming

0:35:12.396 --> 0:35:13.836
<v Speaker 1>about writing an Elvis movie?

0:35:14.436 --> 0:35:19.916
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and enjoying enjoying one of the movies and trying

0:35:19.956 --> 0:35:24.476
<v Speaker 3>to be productive in their own little songwriting career. And

0:35:25.676 --> 0:35:30.236
<v Speaker 3>I got the feeling story wise that Elvis had done

0:35:30.276 --> 0:35:35.076
<v Speaker 3>the Comeback Special and just maybe he had two more

0:35:35.116 --> 0:35:37.396
<v Speaker 3>movies that he did after that. I think he did.

0:35:38.076 --> 0:35:41.756
<v Speaker 3>I could be wrong. I think he did. He did

0:35:41.796 --> 0:35:46.036
<v Speaker 3>a movie called let Me See Chautauqua was the name

0:35:46.076 --> 0:35:47.676
<v Speaker 3>of it, and it was kind of like a sought

0:35:47.716 --> 0:35:51.516
<v Speaker 3>after property. And he does this movie Chautauqua, but by

0:35:51.556 --> 0:35:53.716
<v Speaker 3>the time it comes out, they've changed the name to

0:35:53.916 --> 0:35:56.996
<v Speaker 3>The Trouble with Girls and how to get into it?

0:35:58.036 --> 0:36:02.636
<v Speaker 3>So so dashed again or his you know, dying embers

0:36:02.676 --> 0:36:05.196
<v Speaker 3>of an acting career. And then he goes into the

0:36:05.316 --> 0:36:08.996
<v Speaker 3>last one, which is Change of Habit, which he does

0:36:09.236 --> 0:36:12.716
<v Speaker 3>with Mary Tyler Moore, and of course he plays a doctor.

0:36:13.876 --> 0:36:15.756
<v Speaker 1>In a movie with Mary Tyler Moore.

0:36:16.036 --> 0:36:19.836
<v Speaker 3>The last one, it's the last one. So I got

0:36:19.836 --> 0:36:23.876
<v Speaker 3>the idea that our little songwriting duo gets a shot.

0:36:24.236 --> 0:36:26.836
<v Speaker 3>That's the dream to get the shot with Elvis. They're

0:36:26.956 --> 0:36:28.876
<v Speaker 3>they're ushered in and they have a moment in his

0:36:29.036 --> 0:36:33.796
<v Speaker 3>trailer where he's in his doctor uniform. There's a guitar

0:36:33.876 --> 0:36:37.396
<v Speaker 3>in his trailer. He's on a break doing you know,

0:36:37.556 --> 0:36:41.156
<v Speaker 3>change of habit, and he and he ushers them in

0:36:41.796 --> 0:36:47.596
<v Speaker 3>and they're kind of nervous. Our guy, the main guy

0:36:47.636 --> 0:36:50.756
<v Speaker 3>who's who's like an Elvis fanatic and has like really

0:36:50.836 --> 0:36:54.956
<v Speaker 3>studied Louis Zix has studied Elvis. But anyway, they run

0:36:54.996 --> 0:37:00.236
<v Speaker 3>through the songs. But before they do, Elvis says, you know,

0:37:00.836 --> 0:37:07.516
<v Speaker 3>not real talkative, totally charismatic, bronze in his doctor outfit.

0:37:08.276 --> 0:37:13.316
<v Speaker 3>He says, I always wanted to be in a good movie.

0:37:13.476 --> 0:37:15.276
<v Speaker 3>I don't know I'm gonna I'm gonna do this very

0:37:15.316 --> 0:37:20.516
<v Speaker 3>much anymore, maybe never go ahead. So with having led

0:37:20.556 --> 0:37:24.276
<v Speaker 3>with I'm not really doing this stuff anymore. These guys

0:37:24.396 --> 0:37:31.916
<v Speaker 3>earnestly run through the songs, and Elvis listens and he says,

0:37:32.156 --> 0:37:33.916
<v Speaker 3>let me, let me, let me, let me have the

0:37:33.956 --> 0:37:37.596
<v Speaker 3>sheet music for the the Cab Driver my People song.

0:37:38.956 --> 0:37:42.036
<v Speaker 3>And there's one guy that's written the songs, plays the

0:37:42.076 --> 0:37:45.676
<v Speaker 3>guitar his Elvis's guitar and accompanies him, and Elvis sings

0:37:46.796 --> 0:37:50.756
<v Speaker 3>My People in that little trailer, and then a guy

0:37:50.836 --> 0:37:55.276
<v Speaker 3>comes to get him to do a scene and he's leaving,

0:37:56.156 --> 0:38:01.196
<v Speaker 3>and our guy, Louis says, Elvis, why'd you do all

0:38:01.196 --> 0:38:05.276
<v Speaker 3>those movies? And I used the line that I had

0:38:05.316 --> 0:38:07.476
<v Speaker 3>heard from the actual story where somebody asked him that,

0:38:07.516 --> 0:38:10.116
<v Speaker 3>and he said, hey, man, last thing I remember I

0:38:10.156 --> 0:38:16.116
<v Speaker 3>was driving a truck. And he laughs and leaves, and

0:38:16.236 --> 0:38:19.916
<v Speaker 3>we're left with the songwriting couple, and the wife of

0:38:19.996 --> 0:38:27.716
<v Speaker 3>Louis says, I think he said no. And Louis says, yeah,

0:38:27.796 --> 0:38:32.756
<v Speaker 3>but what a no? That's like the greatest no ever.

0:38:33.116 --> 0:38:36.996
<v Speaker 3>And she says, sometimes a no is maybe even better

0:38:37.036 --> 0:38:41.916
<v Speaker 3>than a yes. And that's that's the end of Lost Masterpieces,

0:38:41.956 --> 0:38:45.596
<v Speaker 3>the movie that never gets made. Elvis never makes another movie,

0:38:46.196 --> 0:38:52.196
<v Speaker 3>but they have that moment in the trailer that that

0:38:52.356 --> 0:38:54.556
<v Speaker 3>where it all came to life for one minute while

0:38:54.596 --> 0:38:56.316
<v Speaker 3>he sang the.

0:38:56.356 --> 0:38:59.636
<v Speaker 1>Song, yeah that truck. Last thing I remember, I was

0:38:59.716 --> 0:39:00.476
<v Speaker 1>driving a truck.

0:39:01.156 --> 0:39:05.156
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll tell you where it came from. Leon Russell,

0:39:05.516 --> 0:39:08.476
<v Speaker 3>the great you know, pianist and member of the Wrecking

0:39:08.516 --> 0:39:12.356
<v Speaker 3>Crew and stuff. Besides being you know, genius solo artists,

0:39:13.476 --> 0:39:15.396
<v Speaker 3>he played on so many records, and he played on

0:39:15.396 --> 0:39:17.436
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of Elvis records. And he was in the

0:39:17.556 --> 0:39:21.636
<v Speaker 3>RCA studios in the hallway and he sees Elvis coming

0:39:21.676 --> 0:39:23.956
<v Speaker 3>down the hallway and they hadn't seen each other since

0:39:23.956 --> 0:39:27.116
<v Speaker 3>playing on a session, and Leon Russell described it as

0:39:27.156 --> 0:39:30.716
<v Speaker 3>he kind of like developed Elvis Turett's you know, he

0:39:30.916 --> 0:39:32.436
<v Speaker 3>just like, what do you say to him? And he

0:39:32.516 --> 0:39:35.676
<v Speaker 3>ended up blurting out, Elvis, why'd you make all those

0:39:35.716 --> 0:39:40.596
<v Speaker 3>shitty movies? Just yucking it up in a studio hallway,

0:39:40.956 --> 0:39:43.956
<v Speaker 3>and Elvis said, last thing I remember, I was driving

0:39:43.996 --> 0:39:48.436
<v Speaker 3>a truck and like walks on, you know, driving a

0:39:48.476 --> 0:39:51.036
<v Speaker 3>truck in Tupelo basically, and then the hurricane.

0:39:53.036 --> 0:39:54.676
<v Speaker 1>His whole life is just a blur.

0:39:55.516 --> 0:39:56.356
<v Speaker 3>That's what he means.

0:39:56.396 --> 0:39:57.556
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's what he means.

0:39:58.076 --> 0:39:58.876
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, but.

0:40:00.836 --> 0:40:04.996
<v Speaker 1>Cameron, well, once again, it's just it's so heartbreaking.

0:40:05.676 --> 0:40:07.676
<v Speaker 3>It is heartbreaking the idea that.

0:40:07.676 --> 0:40:10.436
<v Speaker 1>He would confess. He's essentially confessing to the fact he's

0:40:10.476 --> 0:40:13.196
<v Speaker 1>had no agency over his own career, which we know

0:40:13.356 --> 0:40:15.756
<v Speaker 1>is the truth of his own career. Yeah, that he

0:40:15.916 --> 0:40:19.796
<v Speaker 1>just completely surrendered all decision making to somebody out to

0:40:19.876 --> 0:40:22.156
<v Speaker 1>this kind of bad surrogate father.

0:40:23.196 --> 0:40:29.156
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and clearly, in what little research I've been able

0:40:29.156 --> 0:40:32.956
<v Speaker 3>to do in the years passed our little novelty project here,

0:40:34.596 --> 0:40:40.436
<v Speaker 3>he didn't appreciate his movies. He never apparently had the

0:40:40.476 --> 0:40:42.796
<v Speaker 3>moment of watching him at two or three in the

0:40:42.836 --> 0:40:46.116
<v Speaker 3>morning and saying, like, shit, it's kind of good. I

0:40:46.156 --> 0:40:48.156
<v Speaker 3>think he mostly became ashamed of them.

0:40:49.356 --> 0:40:54.876
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But also the idea of doing this kind of

0:40:55.316 --> 0:40:59.956
<v Speaker 1>bittersweet Elvis, who's aware of his own kind of loss

0:41:00.156 --> 0:41:06.756
<v Speaker 1>and failure in some sense, and who you know, they're

0:41:06.796 --> 0:41:09.956
<v Speaker 1>coming to him and they're confronting him with more of

0:41:09.996 --> 0:41:13.756
<v Speaker 1>the kind of falsehood, you know, like a kind of act,

0:41:14.116 --> 0:41:16.716
<v Speaker 1>and like that's and he just he can't do it anymore.

0:41:16.836 --> 0:41:19.636
<v Speaker 3>Driscilla Pressley said, there's a version of Elvis that few

0:41:19.636 --> 0:41:21.996
<v Speaker 3>people ever saw. And they would go to the outskirts

0:41:22.036 --> 0:41:25.596
<v Speaker 3>of town to like gospel festivals, and Elvis would sit

0:41:25.636 --> 0:41:28.636
<v Speaker 3>at a piano with with like a gospel group who

0:41:28.676 --> 0:41:31.836
<v Speaker 3>was just like kind of an amateurish gospel group, and

0:41:31.876 --> 0:41:35.796
<v Speaker 3>he'd sing at this piano and she would say that

0:41:36.756 --> 0:41:41.476
<v Speaker 3>was the purest Elvis that was him just connected to

0:41:42.596 --> 0:41:46.036
<v Speaker 3>his own heaven. That was it. And she said, like,

0:41:46.276 --> 0:41:48.236
<v Speaker 3>if you're going to do something about Elvis and not

0:41:48.436 --> 0:41:52.476
<v Speaker 3>have that in, you're not seeing the real guy. So

0:41:52.036 --> 0:41:56.196
<v Speaker 3>I felt like that moment in the trailer he actually

0:41:57.076 --> 0:41:59.356
<v Speaker 3>there was. There was just a love of music and

0:41:59.396 --> 0:42:02.676
<v Speaker 3>there was something in that song that like touched him

0:42:02.756 --> 0:42:04.596
<v Speaker 3>enough to want to sing it. And he who is

0:42:04.636 --> 0:42:08.116
<v Speaker 3>he if not a singer? And so he takes a spin.

0:42:09.236 --> 0:42:12.836
<v Speaker 3>He takes it for a spin, and that was his goodbye.

0:42:12.956 --> 0:42:13.396
<v Speaker 3>It's like.

0:42:15.196 --> 0:42:17.996
<v Speaker 1>In the screenplay, how much of Alvis had we seen

0:42:18.036 --> 0:42:18.916
<v Speaker 1>prior to the trailer?

0:42:21.036 --> 0:42:25.316
<v Speaker 3>Oh? Nothing, He's like Wolfman Jack in American Graffiti or something.

0:42:25.356 --> 0:42:27.436
<v Speaker 3>It's like, so we have a brief.

0:42:29.116 --> 0:42:31.436
<v Speaker 1>That he has that cameo right at the very end.

0:42:32.236 --> 0:42:34.876
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're just jamming like we're on the honeymoon. They're

0:42:34.916 --> 0:42:38.036
<v Speaker 3>trying to like it's the joy of their creation that

0:42:38.116 --> 0:42:41.476
<v Speaker 3>the songwriters the whole story really is. They're living in

0:42:41.516 --> 0:42:44.996
<v Speaker 3>it and experiencing it like we did on our honeymoon.

0:42:45.436 --> 0:42:49.796
<v Speaker 3>But but I think that line is is cool because

0:42:50.516 --> 0:42:55.756
<v Speaker 3>maybe maybe his partner realizes that the act of actually

0:42:55.876 --> 0:42:59.476
<v Speaker 3>doing it and pulling el of us back into a

0:42:59.516 --> 0:43:03.276
<v Speaker 3>place that he was obviously leaving, and like, how will

0:43:03.316 --> 0:43:05.876
<v Speaker 3>the songs really turn out? And are they out of

0:43:05.916 --> 0:43:08.716
<v Speaker 3>step with the times? Like these are all challenges that

0:43:08.756 --> 0:43:12.796
<v Speaker 3>they don't have to face. They got to see it,

0:43:13.436 --> 0:43:16.076
<v Speaker 3>and damn it was good.

0:43:16.876 --> 0:43:22.596
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, oh man, Cameron, Why have why have we

0:43:22.716 --> 0:43:25.516
<v Speaker 1>been denied this? This is so much more interesting than

0:43:25.516 --> 0:43:29.116
<v Speaker 1>I imagined I thought what you were doing because all

0:43:29.116 --> 0:43:31.516
<v Speaker 1>I had was the songs you sent me, the songs.

0:43:31.956 --> 0:43:34.316
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have the story, and I thought, oh, this

0:43:34.476 --> 0:43:38.356
<v Speaker 1>is like a goof I just thought, oh, you're just

0:43:38.476 --> 0:43:42.116
<v Speaker 1>like someone loves Elvis is doing a little goofy Elvis.

0:43:42.876 --> 0:43:45.636
<v Speaker 1>But now I understand, as is the case with so

0:43:45.636 --> 0:43:48.836
<v Speaker 1>many of your movies, when we get to the core

0:43:48.876 --> 0:43:56.596
<v Speaker 1>of it, there's there's something really emotionally resonant there, like painfully,

0:43:56.756 --> 0:43:58.396
<v Speaker 1>painfully emotionally.

0:43:59.236 --> 0:44:03.116
<v Speaker 3>So it's that happy sad feeling that you know, like

0:44:03.516 --> 0:44:07.036
<v Speaker 3>the songs we love so often tap into the happy

0:44:07.116 --> 0:44:11.356
<v Speaker 3>sad feeling of you know, the ying and yang, and

0:44:11.396 --> 0:44:12.516
<v Speaker 3>you get to feel it all.

0:44:13.716 --> 0:44:15.996
<v Speaker 1>So did you pitch this script anywhere?

0:44:17.116 --> 0:44:17.196
<v Speaker 7>No?

0:44:17.556 --> 0:44:22.036
<v Speaker 3>I kind of wrote it and enjoyed it and moved

0:44:22.036 --> 0:44:22.956
<v Speaker 3>on to something else.

0:44:23.116 --> 0:44:24.076
<v Speaker 1>Why didn't you pitch it?

0:44:25.676 --> 0:44:29.796
<v Speaker 3>I hadn't started directing yet really, and by the time

0:44:30.196 --> 0:44:33.076
<v Speaker 3>by the time that I did, I was already off

0:44:33.116 --> 0:44:36.556
<v Speaker 3>on another journey. But I mean, I always loved the

0:44:36.596 --> 0:44:40.436
<v Speaker 3>idea of the dream that almost happened. And this, this

0:44:40.476 --> 0:44:44.316
<v Speaker 3>is what you're digging into right now. There's there's an

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<v Speaker 3>incredible kind of like happy said, melancholy about you know,

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<v Speaker 3>some of some of the Christopher Guests stuff in the

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<v Speaker 3>way that that it was influencing me around this time

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<v Speaker 3>and later too, Like I just loved the humanity and

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<v Speaker 3>the humor and the mix of that. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>it just maybe someday I'll circle back to some version

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<v Speaker 3>of this. But I did love the idea of a

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<v Speaker 3>portrait of these artists, just like scraping for something true

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<v Speaker 3>and a different truth comes out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>On this season's development Hell series, we've heard stories about

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<v Speaker 1>my brush with Hollywood Glory science fiction tales never were

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<v Speaker 1>chimped forward Michael Jackson biopics. But I wanted to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about Blue Seattle at the end of it all,

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<v Speaker 1>because this conversation was my ticket out of development. Hell

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<v Speaker 1>Crow and Nancy Wilson got divorced some time ago. We

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<v Speaker 1>didn't talk about that, but I think it was part

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<v Speaker 1>of the happy sad feeling I got listening to these

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<v Speaker 1>songs they made together right when they got married. Crow

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<v Speaker 1>is the king of happy sad on film, the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of instant nostalgia. It's all about feeling joy while knowing

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<v Speaker 1>it will pass, that all things fade, but not if

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<v Speaker 1>they never exist in the first place. That's the beauty

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<v Speaker 1>of development. Hell I thought it was all about missing

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<v Speaker 1>out on projects the world deserves to see, and for

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<v Speaker 1>some films, like say Bubbles, it really is. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>also about ideas so perfect that realizing them on screen

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<v Speaker 1>might do them a disservice. Will anyone's elbows be better

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<v Speaker 1>than Cameron Crowe singing with Nancy Wilson ten days after

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<v Speaker 1>they got married? How could you even shoot the scene

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<v Speaker 1>with the songwriters run through all the songs they've written

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<v Speaker 1>in a trailer? How's Elvis gonna clap his hands while

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<v Speaker 1>driving his cab? Would it look ridiculous? Maybe that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the point. Does it sound amazing? Absolutely? And does it

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<v Speaker 1>come to life in our imagination? Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>It does.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Louis's wife says, sometimes a no is better

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<v Speaker 1>than a yes. This episode of Revision's History was produced

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<v Speaker 1>by Nina Bird Lawrence and Ben and Alfhaffrey, with Talian

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<v Speaker 1>editing Sarah Nix, original scoring by Lubiskarra engineering by Echo Mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Thanks to the Pushkin Crew,

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<v Speaker 1>Greta Cone, Christina Sullivan, Sarah Nix, Nicole upten Bosch, Eric Sandler,

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Bruger and Kerry Brody. An extra special thanks of

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<v Speaker 1>course to Camera Crow. I'm Malcolm Glappa.

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<v Speaker 4>One too loud?

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<v Speaker 8>What I love?

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<v Speaker 4>Ye man, There's so.

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<v Speaker 8>Many of us who that's what one.

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<v Speaker 6>Whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>Let the chances to look, but not me.

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<v Speaker 8>Donald. No, I'll take my shot.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take my chances.

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<v Speaker 8>Just what chance? It's true?

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<v Speaker 4>What's it?

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<v Speaker 6>Chimes one sends to

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<v Speaker 8>Chans to