1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News Hie. 2 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to a special edition of The Deal Our Super 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 2: Bowl Thoughts. Alex Rodriguez, my co host, myself Jason Kelly 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: joining you, breaking down the big game from you know, 5 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 2: what I would like to think is our unique perspective. 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: Alex. First of all, how are you doing? 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 3: I'm doing great? You know, super Bowl Monday. This is 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 3: one of my favorite days of the year because it 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: reminds me, Jason in my career that baseball's right around 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 3: the corner. Yes, the Monday after the Super Bowl is 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 3: Baseball's almost here, Springs almost here, warm weather, all of it. 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: That's great. That's a good point. 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: That's a good point because, like I have to say, 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: Super Bowl Monday, I feel the same way. But I 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: also feel like, ah, football is over. You know, I 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: love watching football, you and I love talking about it, 17 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: So let's talk about it. I mean, this game. I 18 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: don't think anybody on this Super Bowl Monday is like, 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: hey everyone, great game, unless you're a Philadelphia Eagles fan. 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: What did you think of it? 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 3: Well? I just think that I can relate big time 22 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 3: with the Kansas City Chiefs. You know, Pat Mahomes obviously, 23 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: I've known him since he was a child because I 24 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 3: played with his father, Pat Mahomes Senior. But you know, 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: you either love the Chiefs or you hate the Chiefs, 26 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 3: and I think the chatter and at least in my opinion, 27 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: going in, I don't think people gave the Eagles enough 28 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: credit on how great they are from top or the 29 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 3: organization to bottom. It was an absolute masterclass from ownership 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 3: to GM to head coach, defensive coordinator, you name it. 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 3: They won every category by a landslide. 32 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: All right, So there's a lot to unpact there, and 33 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: I want to unpack it with you. The first is 34 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: you touched on it, and I'm going to take it 35 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: a step further. I think the Kansas City Chiefs this 36 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: season essentially became the villain of the NFL. 37 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: Would you agree? 38 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: And I dare say, like, you know a little bit 39 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: of what that's like playing for the TV you played for? 40 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: How do you read that? Why was that well? 41 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 3: I mean, look, when you're that good, I think there's 42 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: some fatigue, right, there's some jealousy for sure. I mean 43 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: fan bases that haven't been I mean, think about if 44 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 3: you're the Bills, right and you're a fan base and 45 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: you see the Chiefs just winning and winning and winning, 46 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 3: and they have now glamour and they have you know, 47 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 3: the great Taylor Swift, and they have Hall of Famers 48 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 3: all over the place, and you know, the red. It 49 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 3: gets a little bright for people. And I think that's 50 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 3: what you saw. 51 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. 52 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: And the other funny thing is like the Eagles are 53 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: a team that I don't know people love to hate 54 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: because you know, Philadelphia fans, again, this is something you 55 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: know as well as anyone, are like no other. They 56 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 2: have a ferocity all their own. And yet it did 57 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 2: feel like the stadium, at least watching it on TV, 58 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: it felt like the stadium was very pro Eagles. I 59 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: mean like it wasn't quite a home game, but like 60 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: it definitely felt like it was with them sort of 61 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: with them in the room. 62 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: All right. 63 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: I want to I want to lean on your expertise 64 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: here in two different ways, and I want you to 65 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: put yourself in the mindset of each of these quarterbacks. 66 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: Pat Mahomes, you said you noted you've known him since 67 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: he was a child, you played with his dad. The 68 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: pressure going into that game, what does that feel like? 69 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: What do you think was sort of going through his 70 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 2: head leading up to it and then as it is 71 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: like clearly coming apart. 72 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 3: Well, I think if you're Patrick Mahomes, you want to 73 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 3: eliminate the white noise because there's a lot of it. 74 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,839 Speaker 3: Two weeks is a long time. It's a long time 75 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: between games. I think Patrick Mahomes knew how good the 76 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: Eagles were a little bit disconnect from I would say 77 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: the general fan base, and I feel that. You know, 78 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 3: he said after the game yesterday that the agony of 79 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: defeat hurts more than the glory of winning, or something 80 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: like that. I'm paraphrasing, obviously, but for me, there was 81 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on Patrick Mahomes and it's almost 82 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 3: a no win situation. Yes, you get the three pet 83 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: but man, you show up to the dance often enough, 84 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: it's just a matter of time. 85 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: So you get whacked. 86 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and last night they got whacked. So I dare 87 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: say you felt that feeling. What does it feel like? 88 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: How do you process that when the expectations are so 89 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: high and you don't meet them. 90 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: I think, Look, it's hard enough to repeat. I mean, 91 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 3: the numbers will tell you it's almost impossible not to 92 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 3: do a three P. That's almost really impossible, especially in 93 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: such a competitive league. Look, the Eagles had it all working, 94 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 3: and if you look at the numbers and you look 95 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: inside the data, the Eagles were a better team all 96 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 3: year long. Yeah, from training camp to last night. And 97 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: I think the Chiefs are looking at you know, we're 98 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: one point favorite when and a half point, and they're like, 99 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: I'm not sure about that. We might be the dogs here. 100 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 3: But I think for a guy like Patrick Mahomes, I'm 101 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: really looking forward to see how he comes back. But 102 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 3: the daunting task of having to do that back to 103 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 3: back to back, I think it was too much against 104 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: a team like the Eagles. 105 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: So what's your advice to him? 106 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think he needs advice, but I think 107 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 3: knowing Patrick the way I do, I think he's going 108 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: to get back to the drawing board and I think 109 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: they have some more to do. Again, there is not 110 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 3: my circle of confidence, but it seems like they're going 111 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 3: to probably strengthen their line a little bit. It seems 112 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 3: like they're going to go out and get, you know, 113 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 3: beef up that roster a little bit and put their 114 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: necessary pieces for Patrick Mahomes to get back to the 115 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 3: Super Bowl and win it and look just like the 116 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 3: Eagles did a couple of years ago. They came back 117 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: stronger than ever. Yeah, I think the Chiefs will be back. 118 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: I can almost guarantee that. 119 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: All Right, I'm going to move to the Eagles in 120 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 2: a second, but I'm going to push you on this 121 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: because I feel like, as your friend and your partner, 122 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 2: it is it's like I understand what you're saying about 123 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 2: the football, but as an athlete, like you have insights 124 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: into this that almost no one does. 125 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: Like, how do you get your head right after you 126 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: lose like that? 127 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: Well, I think here's the deal. When we lost in 128 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 3: two thousand and four to the Red Sox after being 129 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: up three zero, I think that's a whole different way. 130 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 3: Not all losses are created equal. I think it's actually 131 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 3: easier to get over last night because that was that 132 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 3: was a whacking, right, I mean they got destroyed in 133 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: every they really did. I mean it was over from 134 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 3: the get go, and then you see the interceptions and 135 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: then you see another one, and I'm sure for Patrick 136 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: he felt quite embarrassed and some shame. I know that's 137 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: how I felt. You almost don't want to come out 138 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: of your house for a month or two. But I 139 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 3: think there's going to build him up. I think he's 140 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 3: crushed right now. I think he's a little bit in disbelief. 141 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: He played his worst game of the year, the biggest. 142 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 3: That's something that you can never say about Patrick Mahomes. 143 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 3: So I think he's I know that after two thousand 144 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 3: and four, I was destroyed and it took a lot 145 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: out of me. And I came back in OH five 146 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: and came back stronger than ever. I won an MVP, 147 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: and then of course in two thousand and nine we 148 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 3: won the world title. So I can see Patrick Mahomes 149 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,559 Speaker 3: coming back stronger. But it's going to take a minute 150 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 3: to get over this loss. This one hurts. 151 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So let's shift to Jalen hurts because 152 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: he comes into this game with like a head full 153 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: of bulletin board material, right, I mean, he played out 154 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: of his mind two years ago, I mean literally the 155 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 2: best game of his life and the team comes up short. 156 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: How does he in your mind? How did he go 157 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: into the game yesterday? And what does that feel like 158 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: from your perspective? And maybe it's O five, maybe it's 159 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: O nine for you. How does it feel like when 160 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, I put in the work and now 161 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: I see the fruits of that labor. 162 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: Much easier than Patrick Mahomes because here's a guy who 163 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: played really, really well yeah and couldn't close. But that's 164 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: easier from a psychological point of view because you can say, Okay, 165 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: I showed up in the biggest game. Great confidence. I 166 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: just need my boys to follow. Yeah. But it was 167 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: interesting after he lost that game a couple of years ago. 168 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 3: I think he said we'll be back, and he was 169 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 3: very resolute and very confident that they were going to 170 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: come back, and this time they're going to be ready. 171 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: And I think he's been prepping for last night the 172 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: Super Bowl for the last two years. Yeah, and it helps. 173 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: It helps, like a tidal wave of confidence when you 174 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: play well at the highest level and your teammates come 175 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 3: up a little short, then the other way around. 176 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, that's really interesting. 177 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: By the way, let me just say this the comp 178 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 3: and baseball. This is something I do know about. Is 179 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 3: Aaron Judge. Yeah, Like when Aaron Judge loses against the 180 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 3: Dodgers and he makes that you know, the mistake where 181 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: he drops the simple flyball and fans are getting on him, 182 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: I think that's a double avalanche to overcome. He played poorly, 183 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 3: and the Yankees got embarrassed. For a guy like Aaron 184 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: Judge is a double whammy that's much harder than the 185 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 3: battle we're talking about. 186 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So you alluded to something really important, 187 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: which is what happens with the Eagles over the intervening 188 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: two years between that loss, and it happens very quickly. 189 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: And what's interesting is from an ownership perspective, these are 190 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 2: ownership groups that you and I know more than enough 191 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: to be dangerous about. I dare say both very resolute. 192 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: In the case of the Eagles, Jeffrey Loriie I did 193 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: a documentary about him a couple of years ago. He's 194 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: a very different sort of owner, very understated, as you know, 195 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: really is involved and also really trusts people. 196 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: His relationship with Howie. 197 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: Roseman is probably one of the lesser known but arguably 198 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: most important storylines here because what they do over two 199 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 2: years is they draft incredibly well and they really identify 200 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: what the missing pieces are. When I think about the 201 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: business lessons from what the Eagles have done, that's what 202 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: strikes me is that, like they really figured out what 203 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: they needed and they went and got it. Because this 204 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: was an entirely different team especially on the defensive side 205 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: than we saw two years ago. And that's just again 206 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: we see all these lessons between sports and sort of 207 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: business more broadly. That to me is like a management 208 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: to use your word, a management masterclass. 209 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, Jason. And the thing is, by the way, I 210 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 3: love that piece you did with them a few years 211 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 3: ago because I learned a lot about them. Jeffy Lourie. 212 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: I'm talking about the owner of the Philadelphia Eagles. The 213 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 3: adjustment they made was not that rare if you're talking 214 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 3: about five twenty years. What makes it rare is it 215 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: did it inside of two years? Yeah, And that is 216 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 3: a testament to jeff Louriy the owner. Now when you 217 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 3: think about their ownership group, you said it they draft, well, 218 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: they do one, free agency, They develop their players and 219 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 3: their alignment from top to bottom. Jeffrey Loriiy the owner, 220 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: he is the epitome of what VCP stands for, Big vision, 221 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: clear vision. He deploys tons of capital to go get 222 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: his players like Barkley, and then you go out and 223 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: get the best people in the world. And that just 224 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: doesn't mean on the field, but it also means this 225 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: general manager, his coach, his devisit coordinator, the head of business, 226 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: chief revenue officer. Jeff Lori is a masterclass on how 227 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: to run an organization and he deserves a lot of flowers. 228 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and did it, you know, very quietly. 229 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: I mean again, in a city that you and I 230 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 2: both know does not hold back, and yet he is, 231 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: you know, he is revered. And listen, he has brought 232 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 2: this city two titles. It's first two NFL titles. It's 233 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 2: first two NFL championships, you know, over his ownership in 234 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: the last ten years. 235 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: He's owned it for longer, but those have come there 236 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: with by the. 237 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 2: Way, two different coaches, two different quarterbacks, obviously a whole 238 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: different you know, roster of players and coaches underneath that. 239 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: But the one, you know, the one consistency there other 240 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,359 Speaker 2: than Jeffrey Lorie. 241 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: Is Harry Roseman. 242 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 2: So we got to get one of those guys on 243 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: this pod, by the way, we do. 244 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: And Jason, I want to just kind of double tap 245 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 3: on what you just mentioned, because you know, as an 246 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 3: owner or an organization, sometimes you have easier markets to 247 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 3: be able to navigate, you know, adjustments. But in a 248 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 3: city that you have more white noise, arguably with that 249 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 3: fan base and the radio and the media than any 250 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 3: other franchise, you know, probably only second to New York 251 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: or one two, one A, one B. And to do 252 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: it in such a stealth matter, in such a noisy place, 253 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: which arguably you're talking about some of the most smartest, 254 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: most passionate fans and sports the Philadelphia where there's a Phillies. 255 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 3: The Eagles are the Sixers. They bring it every day, 256 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 3: and they expect you as a player, you as a 257 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 3: general manager, and you as an owner to bring it 258 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 3: twenty four to seven. 259 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: Let's go back to the game for a second, because 260 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: it was on your home network. As happy as the 261 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: Eagles were, I'm going to go out on not much 262 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: of a limb and say your friends at Fox were 263 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: not pleased at how lopsided that game was. 264 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: I have not seen the final ratings. 265 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 2: I have to think I've seen anecdotally that yourship dropped 266 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: off pretty dramatically after halftime because the game felt over, 267 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: and it turns out it definitely was over. If you're 268 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: sitting at Fox right now, like, are you just thinking 269 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: bad luck? You know, it's obviously outside of their control, 270 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: but like, what are they feeling right now? 271 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 3: You know from the Murdocks to Eric Shanks, they're just great, 272 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 3: great people to work with. It's amazing. This is an 273 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: organization that they're not married to ratings. They control what 274 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: they can control. What it is anti climatic, right, I mean, 275 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 3: they've been planning for two years and this is the baby. 276 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: This is what they pay all those billions of dollars for. 277 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 3: And here's what I think Eric Shank would say, I'm 278 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 3: happy with all the control controllables. Yeah, we had a 279 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: good telecast, we put on a good show, we had 280 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 3: good numbers, and then the game fell off. And that's 281 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: not on us. But that's not just unique to Fox. 282 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 3: It was CBS, NBC, ABC, Disney, whatever. Everybody would be 283 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: disappointed with a game that's you know a little bit 284 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 3: out of reach past the middle of the second quarter. 285 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. All right, So let's go to 286 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: the booths, Alex. 287 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: These are your guys. Kevin Burkhardt, who is your other partner. 288 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 2: I'm very jealous of him, and obviously Tom Brady you're 289 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 2: a good friend. They're in the booth calling the game. 290 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: What's your obviously biased perspective on them? 291 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 3: Well, again, disclaimer, I love him both. They're both very 292 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 3: good friends. I think Kevin Burkhardt is one of the 293 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 3: most underrated to this day still even after doing a 294 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 3: couple of Super Bowls, one of the most underrated, understung 295 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: superstars out there. He does not only a great job 296 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: for football and he kind of drives the bus for 297 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: Tom Brady. He does a great job with the Fox 298 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: World Series crew with Derek Jeter, myself, Dontre Willis, and 299 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: Big Poppy. And if Tom Brady was a stock, I 300 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: would buy as much as I can afford, I would 301 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: buy all of it. And the reason why I say that, 302 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: I think he got so much better from week one 303 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 3: to week call it twenty one last night, right to 304 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. I just think his work ethic is, 305 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: you know, second to none, and if you study his resume, 306 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 3: he's a guy that just you know, he knows a 307 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: sending better than anyone. And I think that in three 308 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 3: or four years he's gonna be one of the top guys, 309 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: if not the top guy in the game. 310 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say it was fun to watch him. 311 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: I mean, there were so many undercurrents, especially because it 312 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: wasn't that long ago that he was playing. 313 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: Obviously, it was only a couple of years there's all 314 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: this goat debate. 315 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: You know, this certainly was coming into it with Mahomes 316 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: and Mahomes. Had they won last night, the Chiefs and 317 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes would have done something that Brady had not 318 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: done in terms of winning three in a round. I mean, 319 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: nobody has done it in the Super Bowl era. So 320 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: it was interesting to watch that. I mean it was 321 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: also interesting and again I don't know playing sports at 322 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: the level you or Tom Brady do certainly, but you 323 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: know this notion of you know, sort of Brady watching 324 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: all of this unfold, it must have been kididly like 325 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: challenging for him to just even process what he was 326 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: seeing because he must know, again more than anyone. How 327 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: that felt for Patrick Mahomes to have that sort of 328 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: performance and just be overwhelmed by a defense. I mean, 329 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: in some ways it happened to Tom a couple times, 330 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: you know, because he was seven and three in his 331 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: ten Super. 332 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: Bowls, so he didn't win everyone. But it's fascinating to 333 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: have him calling that game of any game. 334 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, a few things there. There's a lot to unpack there, Jason. 335 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: So number one, you and I about a month month 336 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 3: and a half ago, did a pod here on the deal, 337 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 3: and I felt the same way probably Tom felt about 338 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: watching the great Patrick Mahomes. I felt the same way 339 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: watching Juan Sooa go through these negotiations. Yeah, because around 340 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: twenty four years ago, I was in that same spot 341 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 3: and that was kind of a weird unique That's why 342 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: I'm so glad we jumped in the pod. That's one too. 343 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 3: It's really hard to judge or praise both Tom Brady 344 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 3: and Kevin Burkhart in a game that's that wide open 345 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: because it really goes from first half is a super 346 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: Bowl to second half is talk radio. Yeah, and there's 347 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 3: no big watershed moments like I like to appraise announcers 348 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 3: in the seventh, eighth, and ninth and in and for 349 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: football down the stretch because I want Tom to tell 350 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: me should they do a three step drop or a 351 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 3: seventh step drop? Should they be doing a screen or 352 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: running here? And that only happens when you have all 353 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 3: the money on the table. So last night it's almost 354 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 3: like a pass, don't you don't know? You almost throw 355 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 3: out the report card. Really, yeah, because at this point 356 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 3: you're just trying to entertain and have a little fun, 357 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 3: which is very, very challenging and I've been in that position. 358 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 3: But you know, him talking about Patrick Mahomes I thought 359 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 3: was a great subplot. I think, you know, how does 360 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 3: he react if he's going to do the three p 361 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 3: The fact that he had access to production meetings this week, 362 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 3: I thought that's an interesting step because it's been talked 363 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 3: about that Tom Brady doesn't have access to production meetings 364 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 3: because of his ownership with the Raiders. And again, who 365 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 3: better if the game is a blowout? Who better to 366 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 3: talk about coming back in that stadium than Tom Brady? 367 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: I will say as an Atlanta Falcons fan, it was 368 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: excruciating to think about. The biggest comparison, of course, had 369 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: they come back, would have been twenty eight to three. 370 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 2: Of course, like the worst will right right, like everybody 371 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 2: except New England Hatriots fans. 372 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 3: But by the way, Jason, but you said something earlier 373 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 3: about the fans were a little bit louder for the 374 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 3: Eagles in Kansas City. You know, you remember in the 375 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 3: mid nineties to late nineties, the Brace fans sometimes wouldn't 376 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 3: sell out for the playoff games. Yeah, and because they 377 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 3: went every year, it was like unless it's the World 378 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 3: Series or bust, and I'm not going to get stimulated 379 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 3: over first or second round. Yeah, the Yankees went through 380 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 3: a little bit of a lull where they were very 381 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 3: spoils from winning, right. I think there's maybe a little 382 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 3: bit of the thatd with the Chiefs, where the Eagles 383 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 3: are like this kind of they're both blue collars, but 384 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 3: like we haven't won, we need to beat them. And 385 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 3: you felt a little bit more energy at least early 386 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 3: in the game before it was a blowout. 387 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I want to wrap up by talking 388 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: a little bit about the ads. I got to tell 389 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: you I was a little bit underwhelmed. I feel like 390 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: we need a little more creativity. I will say one 391 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 2: theme that definitely joked out to me is a theme 392 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 2: that we've been talking about a lot on our podcast, 393 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: which is women's sports. And you know, clearly I thought 394 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 2: two of the most compelling ads were the Nike ad 395 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: your friends at Nike creating just a super powerful ad 396 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: with an unbelievable number of powerful female athletes. It's led 397 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: by Caitlin Carr, Chikari Richardson, Sabrina I and Scu and 398 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: a number of others. That is one that if people 399 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: haven't watched, they should go back just for the artistry, 400 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: the message, the music, all. 401 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: Of it, and then the other. 402 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: And I feel like this is something we're probably going 403 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 2: to be dealing with and wanting to deal with on 404 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 2: the show. 405 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: Is flag football and everything that's happening there. 406 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 2: The NFL is clearly pushing that from a business perspective. 407 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: They know that there's. 408 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 2: An audience for it and a way to grow the 409 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: audience for the NFL by getting more young women to 410 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 2: play football. 411 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: What did you think? 412 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 3: I love that. I love what Roger Goodell is doing 413 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: with trying to grow football, you know, and he's going 414 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 3: two places that are evident. One is youth sports and 415 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: youth trying to you know, take market share from baseball, 416 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 3: soccer and other sports by flag football. I think that's brilliant. 417 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 3: I think the more you can introduce young ladies to 418 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 3: the game the better. That's one. And two obviously the 419 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 3: global reach right where they have big ambitions to grow 420 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 3: the game and play all these global games, even with 421 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 3: more repetition. A couple of the ones that I liked 422 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 3: was Tom Brady and Snoop, you know, Fighting Hate. I 423 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 3: think that's a Robert Kraft production. Yes, he's deployed tons 424 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: of capital and resources to help fight hate. And also 425 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 3: it was nice to Snoop and Tom Brady. Neither one 426 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 3: got paid for that ad, which you know, props to them. 427 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 3: But my favorite was Nike. I think they had a 428 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: maybe a twenty plus year hiatus. I know it's been 429 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 3: a while, and to come back in the way they did, 430 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 3: I think was beautifully done, in a step in the 431 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 3: right direction because their stock has really struggled here in 432 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: the last five years. 433 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Yeah, interesting, interesting turning point. 434 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: We may see they got a new CEO, and you 435 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 2: know that's something I'm guessing we're going to be talking 436 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 2: about on future episodes. All right, So, speaking of which, 437 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 2: we're moving on to baseball man, like it's all happening. 438 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 2: You know, We've got a lot coming up on this show, 439 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 2: so we'll wrap for now. But I really love being 440 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: able to chop it up with you right after a 441 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: big event like this. It was fun to watch it 442 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 2: knowing it felt like homework in a good way. 443 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: Like I was taking a little. 444 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: On my phone as I was watching gous, like I 445 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: gotta ask Alex about this, and I want to take 446 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: on these things. So appreciate you for hopping on and 447 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 2: I'm sure I'll be seeing you soon. 448 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 3: You got it all right, look forward to it all right. 449 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 2: My thanks to my partner Alex Rodriguez, and you've been 450 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: listening to a special edition of the. 451 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: Deal here from Bloomberg. 452 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: The Deal is hosted by Alex Rodriguez and me Chasing Kelly. 453 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: This episode was made by Stacy Wong, Annamasaakus and Lizzie 454 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: Phillip Artha. Music was made by Blake Maples, Brendan Francis. 455 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 2: Neonham is our executive producer. Sage Fouman is the head 456 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: of Bloomberg Podcasts. 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