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Speaker 1: some business to handle. And look the owner and general manager.
Speaker 1: What before I get to any of that, let me
Speaker 1: let me be cause I'm I need to slowdown, gym shop.
Speaker 1: I am. I am a little excited. I'm here with
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Speaker 1: Former Cowboy and Super Bowl champion and Jim owner Champ
Speaker 1: is here. The Champ is here, Isaiah Stanback brother, how
Speaker 1: are you guys doing today? Well, we're good, We're good,
Speaker 1: and you know what, Kyle's doing his thing out of town.
Speaker 1: Why but he's in spirit with us right now. They
Speaker 1: just passed the postseason overtime rule for Kyle just now
Speaker 1: at the spring meeting that they do exactly what he
Speaker 1: was asking for it. It's probably gonna make everybody. I
Speaker 1: don't know the total ins and outs, but it says
Speaker 1: both teams now get a possession in the postseason ot
Speaker 1: not regular season. Somehow, I think that's gonna change after
Speaker 1: next season. They're not gonna be pleased with that either. Yes,
Speaker 1: and Kyle Yeoman's is in New York visiting his fiancee's family,
Speaker 1: who's probably threatening him every thirty minutes. So good luck
Speaker 1: with that, Kyle. We will make sure that we do
Speaker 1: a good job in your absence. But guys, let's talk
Speaker 1: about it. Had an opportunity to hear the interview from
Speaker 1: owner a general manager Jerry Jones in Florida. He was
Speaker 1: holding court with the media and had some things to
Speaker 1: say about how he is putting this team together. But
Speaker 1: I thought what was most interesting was his discussion on
Speaker 1: evaluating but ten to eleven players and the harsh, well,
Speaker 1: the difficult decisions that he had head and p I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start with you, but what were your thoughts on
Speaker 1: the interview? Man? Well, you're right, we got some insight
Speaker 1: on why Amari Cooper's not here anymore, why Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: is not here anymore. And it does come down to
Speaker 1: what you just said. He talked about how if you've
Speaker 1: got ten or eleven guys taken up two thirds of
Speaker 1: your salary cap, you gotta get your bank for your buck.
Speaker 1: Now we can we can debate whether, you know, like
Speaker 1: an Amari Cooper is featured enough in the offense to
Speaker 1: get the bang for the buck. That's a whole separate
Speaker 1: discussion with a Mari. But that's he feels good about
Speaker 1: what their cap situation now is, and actually scribbled this
Speaker 1: now with some chicken scratch, we are better with our money,
Speaker 1: with our resources, we are better. We're in better shape
Speaker 1: than we were this time last year. So basically, and
Speaker 1: I mentioned this last week, what they did with Randy's money,
Speaker 1: which was going to be roughly I think fourteen a year,
Speaker 1: fourteen million a year, they resigned a bunch of guys
Speaker 1: and brought in Dante Fowler and James Washington and fit
Speaker 1: that under the cap because they do have a lot
Speaker 1: of needs. Quantity. Quantity is kind of what they've been
Speaker 1: going for. And look, you can debate whether that's the
Speaker 1: right strategy or not, but that's that's that's where he's
Speaker 1: coming from. And in the words of Steven Jones, we
Speaker 1: got three players for one player. So Isaiah, I turned
Speaker 1: to you, and I want to ask you philosophically, as
Speaker 1: as a front office, with the substitutions, the addition by
Speaker 1: subtraction that they made over the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: where are you as far as the way that this
Speaker 1: thing has started to shape up roster wise going into
Speaker 1: this season? Are you think you think they're making the
Speaker 1: right moves? These are tough decisions that they're making. Are
Speaker 1: these decisions that you would have made if you had
Speaker 1: that hat? No, no, no, they're not decisions that I
Speaker 1: would have made. But I understand it, you know, And
Speaker 1: I always, I'm always understands that you don't have to
Speaker 1: like the decisions that are being made, but you have
Speaker 1: to understand that, I mean, you gotta respect them. And
Speaker 1: I think that's where I'm at right now in Cowboys Nation.
Speaker 1: I think that Jerry Jones and the rest of the
Speaker 1: squad are doing a great job. I think I said
Speaker 1: that last week in terms of creating value, they are
Speaker 1: doing a great job in that people don't like to
Speaker 1: hear that because the superstars have left the building. Some
Speaker 1: of the superstars have left the building, and I understand
Speaker 1: the attachment to that the big name players, guys with
Speaker 1: big contracts that followed, guys weren't being utilized to the
Speaker 1: value in which they were being paid. And that's the
Speaker 1: angle that he's speaking from. I don't believe he's speaking
Speaker 1: from the standpoint. I hope he's not speaking from the
Speaker 1: standpoint and saying that these players weren't worth what they
Speaker 1: were getting paid. I do believe that he's standing behind
Speaker 1: the scene. At least from my perspective, they just weren't
Speaker 1: utilizing them. So if you have a Duly truck, right,
Speaker 1: you got a Ford, you know, F three fifty and
Speaker 1: you know you got you got the Duly, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're putting gas in it. Yeah, but we're great sponsors.
Speaker 1: But if you don't, if you're only driving to the
Speaker 1: grocery store, what's the point of having a big boy truck, right,
Speaker 1: If you're not if you're not putting anything in the
Speaker 1: back of the truck, if you're not pulling anything, there's
Speaker 1: no point of having a truck. Or get a golf cart, right,
Speaker 1: or go get some go get some small They weren't
Speaker 1: utilizing their big boy you know, in terms of Coop.
Speaker 1: He was capable of so much, but they weren't utilizing him.
Speaker 1: So if you're not gonna utilize him, get rid of
Speaker 1: that and use that money elsewhere. And I think that's
Speaker 1: exactly where Jerry Jones is coming from when he was
Speaker 1: speaking about the speaking on those matters. And I think
Speaker 1: they've done a great job of finding value with those
Speaker 1: funds that they were going to have tied up. And
Speaker 1: Randy's a little bit of a different story because that deal,
Speaker 1: it was damn near done verbally not signed, but but
Speaker 1: they wanted and I think they went up from what
Speaker 1: they were offering initially to get that done. And then
Speaker 1: we talked about it last week. There was whatever happened
Speaker 1: there that I think obviously Randy Side was not happy
Speaker 1: with some language in the contract whatever, and but Jerry
Speaker 1: talked about how there was still some discussion that it
Speaker 1: might get done. He spoke to that yesterday and then
Speaker 1: ultimately said El Paso, we're gonna pass on that, We're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna move on, and we're gonna fill holes
Speaker 1: with that money with multiple players and and and Almari.
Speaker 1: They just wanted they clearly they just wanted to move on.
Speaker 1: From Mikey Wise and I'm glad you bring that up, man,
Speaker 1: because when I read the word el paso, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: use that and everything and then I do from now.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't met the butcher block when they offered me passo
Speaker 1: at this I mean to me, that was just reading
Speaker 1: in between the lines that that was, you know, hit
Speaker 1: the road, Jack and and Jerry's terms. And it seemed
Speaker 1: like Randy Gregory was the one with all the beef
Speaker 1: by not signing. We heard so much from him basically
Speaker 1: saying that, look, you know, these guys tried to cut
Speaker 1: in language and stuff like that, but but Jerry just
Speaker 1: made it seem like I just wasn't gonna do what
Speaker 1: they were asking me to do, especially if they wanted
Speaker 1: more money. Is that the take that you got from it?
Speaker 1: Or did you think that it was just one of
Speaker 1: those things where it got contentious and he threw his
Speaker 1: hands up. I haven't. I have not asked anyone since
Speaker 1: I heard that, but I my first thought was it
Speaker 1: probably had something to do with the structure of the
Speaker 1: the language, like maybe maybe if they taken some of
Speaker 1: their standard stuff out, then maybe Brandy would have come back.
Speaker 1: Um that apparently that was that's not part of the
Speaker 1: Denver's offer, that that language wasn't in there, about forfeiture
Speaker 1: language and all that stuff. And Randy said, well, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, nah, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna move off
Speaker 1: of that. And and that's that's the weird thing about
Speaker 1: it was after the start it came out that this
Speaker 1: is language that is universal. Everyone sort of has that
Speaker 1: in their contract and Randy just obviously wasn't having it.
Speaker 1: But guys, if you've paid attention to the fan base,
Speaker 1: they are pissed off. Hey, there's no other way to
Speaker 1: put it. They're disappointed in years past. I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in years past the Cowboy fans just
Speaker 1: pissed off at the front office by moves that they're making.
Speaker 1: Are not making free agent acquisitions and all of that,
Speaker 1: and they haven't done that in a decade or so,
Speaker 1: not making a splash. Do you have faith up until
Speaker 1: this point that there will be some type of big
Speaker 1: trade happening in a free agent acquisition or do you
Speaker 1: think they are fooling themselves by thinking that they can
Speaker 1: get everything that they need in the draft. I don't
Speaker 1: think they're done. I don't think they're done. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many more big splashes. I think if you're
Speaker 1: gonna get a big splash, I believe that it would
Speaker 1: come in the form of like a Bobby Wagner. I
Speaker 1: think that's what And I don't think that they have
Speaker 1: the money to spend on Bobby Wagner, so that would
Speaker 1: be a big splash. So I think that they obviously
Speaker 1: have some key areas that need to get shirt up.
Speaker 1: Some players are no longer available on the office of
Speaker 1: line front. Guys are being in scooped up left and right,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't seem as if they're that aggressive in
Speaker 1: that nature. But you've seen some of these numbers also
Speaker 1: that guys are getting, and the reality is their salary
Speaker 1: cap situation doesn't allow for them to go out and
Speaker 1: sign the big boys that everybody wants. That's the reality.
Speaker 1: Everybody that is that you have circled on your list
Speaker 1: that you want on this team is going to demand
Speaker 1: big boy money. I mean, we're talking at least probably
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars a year for most of these guys.
Speaker 1: Do they have that, no, sir, Rebob. So the reality
Speaker 1: is the Cowboys are going to have to build this
Speaker 1: team through the draft or through some trains, which the
Speaker 1: trades are problem not likely at this point in time.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna have to go find some talent that's
Speaker 1: sitting around at the house that didn't get the big
Speaker 1: money that they were hoping for. Right, free agents, you
Speaker 1: don't like like Vanders, Right Vanders, They say, hey, go
Speaker 1: out there and test it out. Oh there's no there's
Speaker 1: nobody out there. Okay, yeah, come on back home. Right,
Speaker 1: So they don't have to look for some guys like
Speaker 1: that that are just sitting around hoping for the big opportunities,
Speaker 1: and then scooped them up on some some very friendly deals.
Speaker 1: But that's how they're going to have to add some
Speaker 1: veteran depth as well as adding some players through the draft.
Speaker 1: But there are some very key roles and positions that
Speaker 1: have to be addressed, and those are very risky picks
Speaker 1: in the draft. You started talking about tackle positions, you
Speaker 1: start you started talking about you know, you know linebackers.
Speaker 1: You know the key guys in a linebacker rush guys.
Speaker 1: These are guys that you can swing a miss. You
Speaker 1: can swing a miss. If you hit it, you hit it.
Speaker 1: But that's a high probability, you know, even in baseball.
Speaker 1: Three hundreds are good batting presenters, but you still missing
Speaker 1: seven out of ten. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're done either in free agency, but
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see a huge swing and a
Speaker 1: big game changing guy come in through free agency. I
Speaker 1: think they're draft meetings start Monday, and I think that's
Speaker 1: the larger focus will shift to that pretty soon. Um.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy was on a conference call with the media.
Speaker 1: He did not go to the spring meetings in Florida
Speaker 1: this week. Dave Hellman was on the phone with him.
Speaker 1: Shout out today for helping us out there. Um. And
Speaker 1: and they're going to Bama's Pro day tomorrow. You know,
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna be knee deep in draft stuff. But
Speaker 1: I think they've still got things to do in free agency.
Speaker 1: They got to get a kicker. They were hopeful to
Speaker 1: resign Greg's rline on a more probably more team friendly deal.
Speaker 1: That did not happen. He went to the Jets. Um.
Speaker 1: He acknowledged that that interior offensive line, guard center or
Speaker 1: wherever is a spot where they could use some help
Speaker 1: in free agency if it presents itself. I know, you know,
Speaker 1: but like you said, who's who's out there? Will Hernandez
Speaker 1: just signed with the Cardinals. He was a guy that
Speaker 1: could be kind of you know, I think you could
Speaker 1: view him as a as a stop gap, a cover,
Speaker 1: cover yourself guy, bridge player and then going to the
Speaker 1: the way they do this, I mean, that's James Washington,
Speaker 1: perfect example for the receiver position going in. Um, those
Speaker 1: are two spots that stand out right away. And but
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think the heavy lifting at this point's
Speaker 1: got to go through the draft. But we've got a
Speaker 1: Pro bowlers signed since we has met? Correct, didn't we
Speaker 1: sign a Pro Bowler back? Which Pro Bowler? Yes? Freaking Anger?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yes, you got? I mean we got. How
Speaker 1: are you just gonna just disregard a pro two of
Speaker 1: them in the whole league? My bad? Yes, Anger is back.
Speaker 1: Anger the kickers back right, three millions. He's one of
Speaker 1: the top two players in the world. I'm sorry if
Speaker 1: I didn't just either. Yeah, that's hey, I know. But
Speaker 1: he changed the dynamic of this defense last year. He
Speaker 1: helped them out a ton. Tell you what, there are
Speaker 1: some games in December I'm thinking New Orleans and they
Speaker 1: just couldn't get anything going consistently. Offensively. He was a
Speaker 1: big part of with him winning these ugly games down
Speaker 1: the stretch. But feel position ball control, we did a
Speaker 1: lot of that. But nothing sexy so far. No, no,
Speaker 1: nothing sexy. And it's one of those It's one of
Speaker 1: those times in the off season. I got a picture
Speaker 1: of the night professor when his wife trying to come
Speaker 1: out on sex. He said, what are you doing that,
Speaker 1: Curtin role? Nothing sexy happening right now. And I think
Speaker 1: from the outside looking in, everyone is kind of like,
Speaker 1: how do you think you're going to fair with this?
Speaker 1: And it going to coming into twenty twenty one, no
Speaker 1: one had the expectations, especially with the defensive line. I
Speaker 1: think you still kind of had some confidence in your
Speaker 1: offensive line that was probably misplaced, but I think that's
Speaker 1: where you had the most confidence. But just from the
Speaker 1: outside looking in, it just seems as though status quo
Speaker 1: may not get the Cowboys where they need to be,
Speaker 1: because if you look around the NFC East, they're getting
Speaker 1: other teams are getting better. I mean, they have the
Speaker 1: cap space and they are bringing in players that that
Speaker 1: doesn't make you nervous to think that, oh, we're just
Speaker 1: staying status quo right now, and not making any stride. No,
Speaker 1: it makes me nervous. It does. It does because and
Speaker 1: while they have signed a couple guys to fill some spots,
Speaker 1: and it allows them to be a little bit more
Speaker 1: flexible with their cap like they want to be. Like okay,
Speaker 1: like to your point this time every year, fans playing
Speaker 1: on Twitter and especially my mail bag inbox, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of doing this when I'm opening and because it's it's tough.
Speaker 1: But I think you're right, Like I think, I think
Speaker 1: fans are even more frustrated, at least a group of
Speaker 1: fans that we see on social media are because you
Speaker 1: throw in not only their strategy, and you can debate
Speaker 1: whether it's the right strategy to have in free agency,
Speaker 1: but they've they've lost Tomari Cooper, they lost law Collins,
Speaker 1: they lost Randy Gregory, and and there have not been
Speaker 1: signings or additions that make you feel like, well we upgraded,
Speaker 1: certainly not upgraded. You filled the spots, but you know,
Speaker 1: but like Jerry said, we weren't better yes yesterday. He said,
Speaker 1: we weren't better before the draft, until we got Michael Parsons,
Speaker 1: or until we got Ceedee Lamb two years ago. I
Speaker 1: think they're saying, wait and see, we're not We're not
Speaker 1: done yet. But no, I mean they're It's hard to
Speaker 1: look at this roster right now and say, well, they're
Speaker 1: they're better than they were last year. I don't see
Speaker 1: that on paper. I don't see. And some of that
Speaker 1: frustration also stems from the fact that you see how
Speaker 1: other teams are getting more bang for their bucks. And
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like the Trek Tyrek Hill trade, I mean,
Speaker 1: think about what Miami gave up for him and what
Speaker 1: we got for Amari Cooper Adams. That's a whole a
Speaker 1: nother subject. I'm just saying, why did we why did
Speaker 1: we give up so much leverage pe in that situation,
Speaker 1: even with Leo Collins. I mean we basically let this
Speaker 1: guy walk, and we gave up a first for Coop,
Speaker 1: got a fifth for him, and I mean literally like,
Speaker 1: we're not And even with Randy Gregory not able to
Speaker 1: get anything if he's gonna leave, We're not. Even this
Speaker 1: is not a sign and trade. He basically essentially goes
Speaker 1: and we get nothing. Well, Randy's different, yeah, because he's
Speaker 1: unrestricted and he could just he could just walk. Um
Speaker 1: diamari one. I think people look at that one eye
Speaker 1: opened right now because the Tyree news that happened with Miami,
Speaker 1: um Davante Adams goes to Vegas and and they get
Speaker 1: a nice haul of draft picks, right. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think those guys are I think the differences. Those guys
Speaker 1: are top five like game changing players. And this is
Speaker 1: this is gonna probably sound like a knock on a
Speaker 1: Mari Cooper as not because I think they should have
Speaker 1: kept a Mari Cooper, but those guys are have been
Speaker 1: game changing players for teams that have won Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: are competed for Super Bowls lately, and I think that's
Speaker 1: that's where the difference is. Um And it's kind of
Speaker 1: a what have you done for me lately? League? You know,
Speaker 1: and and a Mari he didn't have a big year
Speaker 1: last year. We can debate why, but I think it's
Speaker 1: I think those guys are considered at a different level.
Speaker 1: Plus the Cowboys, it was well known the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: probably gonna move on from Amar if they heard, you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't there wasn't any report out there that, oh, there,
Speaker 1: you know, the Chiefs are gonna cut Tyreek Hill. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think that was gonna happen. I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys gave up a lot of leverage by letting that
Speaker 1: information kind of leak out. And Isaiah, I guess my
Speaker 1: question to you as a wide receiver, and you if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys already knew they were going to move off
Speaker 1: of Amari Cooper, why not get something bigger for a
Speaker 1: guy that you put a first You traded a first four,
Speaker 1: and then you see later that teams are getting you know, first, second, third,
Speaker 1: I mean future picks. And I like what you said.
Speaker 1: You know these guys are game changing receivers, But I'm
Speaker 1: sorry when we got Amari Cooper, wasn't that the thought
Speaker 1: process that he was that game changing guy? And if
Speaker 1: he's not, he was twenty eighteen. Hem was the reason
Speaker 1: you got to the playoffs. So I mean, let's say
Speaker 1: three through five, where is Amari Cooper in the list
Speaker 1: of great wide receivers in the NFL? And I kind
Speaker 1: of look at it just just to finish up to me,
Speaker 1: there's it's like talking about quarterbacks, like there's a difference
Speaker 1: between like Dax and excellent. I think he's an excellent quarterback,
Speaker 1: but there's different levels, Like there's guys, there's Rogers, Brady's
Speaker 1: you know, and then to me, that's where a Mari
Speaker 1: is below those guys and what they've done the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. I think that's when the Cowboys obviously
Speaker 1: feel the same way, because they didn't they weren't willing
Speaker 1: to push money into future years on Amar's deal and
Speaker 1: say hey, you're gonna be part of our future. They
Speaker 1: felt like, based on the production, we're gonna move on.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think Tyreek Hill is obviously he got
Speaker 1: what he should have gotten. I mean, he's that dynamic
Speaker 1: of a player. You look at DeVante Adam and say
Speaker 1: he's that dominant of a player. Amari Cooper is very capable.
Speaker 1: I'm not putting him in that same conversation with them
Speaker 1: simply because those guys just single handley can disrupt the game.
Speaker 1: I think Amari Cooper can too, but they can in
Speaker 1: any system. So to that point, yes, I feel like
Speaker 1: the Cowboys still should have gotten more value for him. Now,
Speaker 1: should they have been able to get a first and
Speaker 1: all these other No, but they should at least been
Speaker 1: able to get a third round pick for him, A
Speaker 1: couple of third round picks, you know, But I think
Speaker 1: that it would have needed to happen during a season,
Speaker 1: because as soon as the season ended, we're got out
Speaker 1: and everybody's looking at their salary cap issues. Amar's chances
Speaker 1: are he's probably not gonna He's not being utilized. It
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like killing more cares for him, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: All these rumors about what he possibly said about Day,
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff that started coming about, and
Speaker 1: you just realized that you were losing all your leverage
Speaker 1: in terms of your ability to actually trade him away
Speaker 1: because teams were like, oh, we'll just away from him
Speaker 1: become a free agent. Yeah. I agree mainly that, but
Speaker 1: but I also wonder maybe if his contract has something
Speaker 1: to do with it, because he's got three years left
Speaker 1: on a deal that a team, some team has to absorb.
Speaker 1: Davante Adams is on the franchise tag, you can rip
Speaker 1: that up and sign him to whatever you want, and
Speaker 1: Tyreek was on a very team friendly one year left
Speaker 1: on his contract too. I think it's a little different
Speaker 1: when you look at financially. Maybe Cleveland's happy. Cleveland's very happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah they are, And obviously they're gonna use Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: a lot differently than we did. H And I like
Speaker 1: what you just brought up just the details of how
Speaker 1: those guys's contracts were expiring, and obviously on the franchise tag,
Speaker 1: and those guys were completely different our guys, meaning the
Speaker 1: guys that were here. But I love what you said
Speaker 1: as well, when you led off by saying that, Look,
Speaker 1: it's like having a dully that you only used to
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store and now you send it
Speaker 1: to Cleveland and it's a car hauler. It's doing all
Speaker 1: the hauling horses and heat, showing you how basically showing
Speaker 1: you how to use this thing. And I think that's
Speaker 1: exactly where things are going in and for us, I
Speaker 1: think the fan base is really ticked off about the
Speaker 1: lack of compensation that we could have gotten. What are
Speaker 1: you about to say? Do you think I'm Mary Cooper
Speaker 1: is happy right now? I think he is today. I
Speaker 1: think he is. He probably. I mean, Deshaun Watson's a
Speaker 1: terrific quarterback. He's I mean, they're gonna be a good offense.
Speaker 1: I think he wanted to stay here, though he did,
Speaker 1: and you know, you saw the Cowboys or the Browns
Speaker 1: restructure his deal as soon as they brought him in.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have surprised me. If Marie would have been
Speaker 1: willing to do it, Tank did to stay and get
Speaker 1: a new, restructured deal, maybe you take a little less
Speaker 1: at you don't think that was presented to him. I
Speaker 1: think they were ready to move on, honestly, and it's
Speaker 1: not that they don't think he's a good quarterback. But
Speaker 1: again it's it's a value and all that stuff. And
Speaker 1: if you look at if they were to restructure. We
Speaker 1: talked about this in the mail bag today, Nick and I.
Speaker 1: If they were to restructure and push more money down
Speaker 1: where his cap figures ballooning in a couple of years, well,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, Ceedee Lambs deal is up.
Speaker 1: And so how do you make that that work? And
Speaker 1: they're willing to say, look, Ceedee Lamb can be our
Speaker 1: number one guy. Whether we're skeptical of that or not,
Speaker 1: we've we've covered this, but they're willing to do that.
Speaker 1: And they I think they think they can go on
Speaker 1: the draft and find another Michael Gallup and Mike gets healthy,
Speaker 1: he's your number two, and then we develop another young
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Speaker 1: Everyone is letting their true feelings be known about how
Speaker 1: the roster is being put together. But coach Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: was not at the annual meetings, right, and they took
Speaker 1: the pictures of all that they had coaches, And was
Speaker 1: he hanging out with Taker? He was noting missing in action?
Speaker 1: I mean Taker was here. No, he wasn't hanging out
Speaker 1: with taking later he was here at the middle of honor.
Speaker 1: Oh not here, but okay, yeah, yeah, I'm just imagining,
Speaker 1: like at the training table, just I saw the excitement
Speaker 1: of your eyes. He saw that it's a twinkle and
Speaker 1: he didn't even call me. Yeah, damn it. So Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's missing, Yeah, all right, not missing. He's he was
Speaker 1: on the phone today, he said he was yesterday. I
Speaker 1: wrote my notes down. He said he was going back
Speaker 1: through the red zone offense today and so well, not
Speaker 1: at the meeting, he was. He's watching film man, trying
Speaker 1: to get better. There was only twenty eight guys in
Speaker 1: the picture, so there's four guys missing. There were four
Speaker 1: guys missing. It was four guys missing. If you go
Speaker 1: back to the picture, there's twenty eight guys in the picture,
Speaker 1: so four guys were missing. Can you identify who those who?
Speaker 1: Little bit Chris Belichick? I know three of them. Yes,
Speaker 1: Belichick was one. Belichick skips the breakfast usually, Yes, he
Speaker 1: never takes the picture. Okay. Dan Campbell, who just got
Speaker 1: announced to be on Hard Knocks, was not there. McCarthy.
Speaker 1: I don't know who the other one was, so okay,
Speaker 1: tweet Rob if you know who the last one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody's only talking about Mike not being there, you know,
Speaker 1: But there was four people that weren't in the picture.
Speaker 1: So Let's talk about Mike. Okay, Mike, about Mike. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about Mike, because Mike wasn't there and everybody's concerned,
Speaker 1: and obviously coach Belichick has it has you know what
Speaker 1: you want, infamous for not being at any of these
Speaker 1: things and skipping them whenever. But for coach Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: it kind of gives you the, I guess, the twinge
Speaker 1: of man, I am coaching my butt off. All right,
Speaker 1: look at me. I'm busy out here looking at red
Speaker 1: zone tape and I am on the road. Is this
Speaker 1: a man that feels is though he is coaching for
Speaker 1: his football future here in Dallas? Because if you turn
Speaker 1: on the radio, if you read any of the articles,
Speaker 1: he is basically lamed duck and that there there are
Speaker 1: other guys won't say his name, that are going to
Speaker 1: be a TV this year that are waiting on him
Speaker 1: to just for his demise. So why are people so
Speaker 1: comfortable with disrespecting coach Mike McCarthy. Well, I mean, the
Speaker 1: way the season ended, there's I mean, like you said,
Speaker 1: there's as much frustration with the fan base as we've
Speaker 1: seen in a long time, because it's just another year
Speaker 1: on top of the year since ninety five when they
Speaker 1: got it done. I think, yeah, I'm sure he feels pressure.
Speaker 1: I mean, this job you do everywhere. I don't know
Speaker 1: who doesn't except for maybe Belichick because he can kind
Speaker 1: of do whatever he wants. He's a made man. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think he absolutely does. And I think
Speaker 1: he is trying to show. He spoke to it on
Speaker 1: the call this morning. This is the biggest class draft
Speaker 1: class in a long time because of the COVID rules.
Speaker 1: They're trying to dive in. Man, he's trying to be
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to get back to where they
Speaker 1: were not fall short. So or he realizes that he
Speaker 1: doesn't have any salary cap money. It's been our free
Speaker 1: agents and he has to do his home work to
Speaker 1: find some some jewels in the draft? Does that too?
Speaker 1: And for I mean just asking you, based off of
Speaker 1: your experience, is that something that most head coaches do
Speaker 1: instead of their assistance scouts, that they're out there boots
Speaker 1: on the ground making these things happen. They're all working.
Speaker 1: I'll just say that all coaches are working. He didn't
Speaker 1: miss that meeting because he was watching film. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what the reason was, but I know for a
Speaker 1: fact it wasn't because he was watching film. They have
Speaker 1: these things called tablets nowadays, this crazy technology, and they
Speaker 1: said they give them to you go on road trips
Speaker 1: and you have access to cloud. There's a thing called
Speaker 1: a cloud and you can pour down all the files
Speaker 1: that you really want to watch. So he can do
Speaker 1: that anywhere he wants to. I don't, So I don't
Speaker 1: know why he missed that meeting. Why are people hard
Speaker 1: on him while he's a head coach of the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys and the Dallas Cowboys haven't won a championship in
Speaker 1: a very long time, and that was probably the most
Speaker 1: stacked roster they've had since I would say that I
Speaker 1: played here back in two thousand and seven. So the
Speaker 1: fact that they missed on a huge opportunity, Yeah, people
Speaker 1: are gonna be all over his head, especially when you're
Speaker 1: in the limelight like he is. So at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the season with the roster that we saw, you
Speaker 1: your expectations for the Dallas Cowboys were what oh, I mean,
Speaker 1: the NFC championship was supposed to be just a sea walk.
Speaker 1: There's a sea walk through that and then get to
Speaker 1: the playoffs and take care of business. I mean, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't, I didn't, I don't can't remember exactly what
Speaker 1: I said at that point in time in terms of
Speaker 1: I didn't have super Bowl written on their forehead, But
Speaker 1: I mean I expected him to get passed the first round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least or to have the buy. I think for me,
Speaker 1: it's it's really weird to hear an NFL coach that
Speaker 1: was Yeah, I was sorry. That was a huge that
Speaker 1: the buy is where a lot of my weight was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was very disappointed. Probably get that by right, they
Speaker 1: needed the buying, but but just hearing the disrespect for him,
Speaker 1: um from from media, media from media, just basically saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, this year obviously wasn't the result that he wanted.
Speaker 1: As a coach, everyone sets their expectation on the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But let's just say, hypothetically, if Mike wasn't the coach
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys and it was Lincoln Riley, a
Speaker 1: coach like that, right, and he comes in, he goes
Speaker 1: six and ten his first season in the COVID year,
Speaker 1: You're probably giving him some grace because of the COVID year,
Speaker 1: but then coming back and getting a twelve and five
Speaker 1: winning the division and going to the playoffs having the
Speaker 1: same results, disappointing your expectation would be a lot different
Speaker 1: your I guess disappointment would be a lot different. Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy is the fifth winning this coach active coach in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and no one mentions that at all, the
Speaker 1: number of NFC games that he's played in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl that he has. Everyone else gets that mentioned besides him,
Speaker 1: And I think that's the disrespect that I'm talking about. Well,
Speaker 1: that goes back to you know, Green Bay and playing
Speaker 1: with Rogers, and you know, when you have a quarterback
Speaker 1: who's a first ballot Hall of Famer that's kind of
Speaker 1: running things like you do you get enough credit, you know?
Speaker 1: Or is it just Aaron doing most of the work.
Speaker 1: So I think that's probably where it comes from. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the frustration too, Like you just said, he's
Speaker 1: got he's got the resume, and that's they didn't bring
Speaker 1: in a young guy or a Dan Campbell to build
Speaker 1: with its to win now because and part because of
Speaker 1: his history, I can get teams to the super Bowl
Speaker 1: and that didn't happen. So yeah, I mean that's and that,
Speaker 1: like Isaiah said, I mean that is part of the
Speaker 1: job when you coach here like that, that is the expectation.
Speaker 1: He he understands that he's coming from Green Bay. It's
Speaker 1: just a bigger market. And people call for mister Jones
Speaker 1: to step down all the time. He got five dog
Speaker 1: on rings, you know what I'm saying. He got rings
Speaker 1: on rings, and you know, but when was the last
Speaker 1: time he had one. It's been a minute. So people
Speaker 1: are calling for his head and they're like, oh, cowboys,
Speaker 1: cowboys aren't doing nothing. And he's the greatest greatest owner
Speaker 1: in NFL history, right, So I mean, people are gonna
Speaker 1: call for your head of success doesn't follow, and it's
Speaker 1: coming off a roster as stacked as this one, and
Speaker 1: for them to lay an egg the way in which
Speaker 1: they did, yeah, there's gonna be a ton of scrutiny,
Speaker 1: and very deservingly so. And maybe he's trying to send
Speaker 1: a message to his team by not coming out here,
Speaker 1: because he did say, like we saw the overtime rule,
Speaker 1: but there there's not much that the coaches are doing
Speaker 1: this week. There's not a lot of voting going on
Speaker 1: this week, and compared to pass spring meetings, and maybe
Speaker 1: he's trying to send a message like, I mean, we
Speaker 1: got captain's workouts going on. I hear that the offseason
Speaker 1: voluntary program starts next month. I'm here. I'm busting my ass.
Speaker 1: Let's go, okay, Robbie. I'm just oh, well, yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 1: I'm not promise you that, but we needn't clip that. Please,
Speaker 1: I'm here. I'm busting my heart that, Chris. Please. So
Speaker 1: aside from obviously the obvious days he's out, he's out
Speaker 1: on the road, he's finding guys, he has his tablet
Speaker 1: out at all times. He's looking at the red zone.
Speaker 1: Alabama tomorrow, Alabama tomorrow. This guy is living out of
Speaker 1: a hotel room, private jets, which that's not unique. By
Speaker 1: the way, I've gone to that meeting in Florida and
Speaker 1: I've run into Jason Garrett ten years ago in the
Speaker 1: gift shop and he's like, yeah, headed down to Tescaloosa tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're flying on the way home or flying stopping there.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you do. It's Alabama. Who doesn't
Speaker 1: go to that protay. But but no one ever questioned
Speaker 1: where Jason Garrett was. There were those were never tabloid
Speaker 1: front that was that was never Newsworthy What Jason Garrett?
Speaker 1: What clapping convention? The clapping convention. I'm just I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: I mean, think about the difference. Right now, everyone's asking
Speaker 1: the question, where's Mike, Where's Mike? Where's Mike? No one
Speaker 1: ever asked why Jason was at dude getting you know,
Speaker 1: clues in from Sachski. No one ever asked what was happening.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, why is it so different for
Speaker 1: for this guy? And what do you guys? Nothing is it?
Speaker 1: Is it? Nothing short of a super Bowl that will
Speaker 1: save him? Is that? Where we are? That's the expectation.
Speaker 1: That's the expectation every year. But I'm just saying, like, literally,
Speaker 1: if we're sitting back, hope, that's the hope hoping expectations.
Speaker 1: Roster was set and people saw the product on the
Speaker 1: field and saw the culture changes specifically on defense and
Speaker 1: how that it really rolled over into the offensive side
Speaker 1: of things, and saw the early killing Moore who still
Speaker 1: had gifts in his bag. I think the expectation rose
Speaker 1: to at least second round of playoffs, first round of
Speaker 1: like NFC Championship and first round playoffs, and okay, now
Speaker 1: we need to start talking about Okay, now we're talking
Speaker 1: about the NFC championship. Now we're talking about possibly going
Speaker 1: to Super Bout. That was the expectation once those first
Speaker 1: couple of weeks kind of went by, because you saw
Speaker 1: what this team was capable of, and you saw how, how,
Speaker 1: how how the continuity was really coming together with those guys.
Speaker 1: So I don't care who the head coaches at the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys right now, I don't. You could you could
Speaker 1: say any of the names that you know that we
Speaker 1: know are out there right now, and I don't care
Speaker 1: if Sean McVay, it still would have been the same.
Speaker 1: I mean, if if it was a failure, it was
Speaker 1: a failure to launch only home team to lose in
Speaker 1: the first roup. Yeah, and that, yeah, that's probably where
Speaker 1: it stems from mostly. But I look, I didn't I
Speaker 1: did not have I didn't have Super Bowl expectations for
Speaker 1: this team going in the playoffs. I I really did
Speaker 1: not not expectations because I thought this was as balanced
Speaker 1: and competitive as NFC as we've seen in a while.
Speaker 1: And San Francisco has championship medal man and they showed it,
Speaker 1: and they came within an eyelash and beating the Rams
Speaker 1: two weeks after that, they went to Green Bay. I
Speaker 1: didn't feel great about the Cowboys if they had to
Speaker 1: go to Green Bay. I didn't feel great about them
Speaker 1: winning that game because they couldn't run the ball effectively
Speaker 1: up there and down the stretch. They couldn't run the ball.
Speaker 1: I can't get clapping convention out of my head. I
Speaker 1: don't even know it's a good one. A lot of
Speaker 1: technique of off, a lot of technique. So over the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks we have seen coaching vacancies get
Speaker 1: filled and the Dallas Cowboys brought in Brian Schottenheimer, a
Speaker 1: guy that you were familiar with. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: hear what you think about that higher who's coming on.
Speaker 1: He's replacing Ben McAdoo who left for Carolina to be
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, and also ran A Stewart who is
Speaker 1: the special team's assistant UH taking the place of Matt
Speaker 1: Daniels who is now with the Vikings. And so just
Speaker 1: kind of giving giving everyone some some information about those
Speaker 1: coaches UH and why those UH spots were actually field robot,
Speaker 1: I'll come to you. Well, yeah, I mean, like you said,
Speaker 1: Stewart comes from Green Bay. So there's a history there, UM,
Speaker 1: and you know Fossil has had a right hand guy
Speaker 1: and UM in the past, so they were going to
Speaker 1: fill that spot. Matt Daniels was highly regarded here, so
Speaker 1: wish him the best. UM. As far as Brian Schottenheimer,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's going to be similar to what
Speaker 1: Ben McAdoo here did here, and people were making a
Speaker 1: big deal out of this. Look, it's it's not Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore dan Quinne need help. No, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a game planning addition, it's a guy that Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy worked with from the moment he got in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I mean, he knew his dad, Um Marty, and worked
Speaker 1: with him in ninety eight in Kansas City, and it's
Speaker 1: an opportunity for him to come here and help out,
Speaker 1: I mean, and be another set of eyes for to
Speaker 1: help out some of the younger guys on the staff,
Speaker 1: to help with the weekly game plans, looking ahead, stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Not a big deal, UM, So that's that's
Speaker 1: that's behind it. It's funny that you mentioned coaching and
Speaker 1: the pressure on Mike McCarthy, and I do think part
Speaker 1: of it is because it's gonna have to come through coaching,
Speaker 1: Like we said, like we they've they've made some some
Speaker 1: solid editions, a couple of solid editions in free agency,
Speaker 1: but they still got holes to fill. It's not looking
Speaker 1: like it's going to be as deep as a roster.
Speaker 1: Coaching's got to bring that together. We saw what Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn did on defense last year. It's got to come
Speaker 1: through coaching and coaching guys up and guys taking another
Speaker 1: step forward at ceedee Lamb taking another step forward. That's
Speaker 1: where it comes from on this roster that they're going
Speaker 1: to be better than they were last year. And these
Speaker 1: aren't coaching vacans. This isn't a coaching position that they created.
Speaker 1: These were vacancies that they field and so I believe,
Speaker 1: and so Ben mcadoo's position was basically following league trends
Speaker 1: and game planning and so making sure that the team
Speaker 1: was if there's a Sunday Thursday game, that they are
Speaker 1: already up on who they're going up against next. That
Speaker 1: was Ben mcadoo's job. What is it Isaiah? Isaiah has
Speaker 1: this look? So yes, there's an assistant to the assistant.
Speaker 1: So this is the way we're putting this together. And
Speaker 1: this is the guy that's going to help Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: right the ship and get this offense clicking. Baby, really,
Speaker 1: OK Yeah, I mean there's a lot of jobs in
Speaker 1: the NFL now, they just kind of make things listen.
Speaker 1: He has a great resume in terms of places that
Speaker 1: he's been experienced, He's had quarterbacks, he's had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to work with. So I hope that he can come
Speaker 1: in and add something to that quarterback room. I hope
Speaker 1: that he can bring an element that Dak needs to
Speaker 1: help him with the development of his game. And maybe
Speaker 1: that that's a key portion to the putting them over
Speaker 1: the edge this year. You know, to your point, you know,
Speaker 1: that doesn't look like they're gonna have the roster depth
Speaker 1: that they need, but maybe they have the coaching depth.
Speaker 1: Maybe the coaches are able to have that much more
Speaker 1: of an impact and it affects the product on the field.
Speaker 1: But I'm just I'm just baffled by these coaching positions
Speaker 1: that just keep getting created. What you just described, every
Speaker 1: team has that without having that position as of a coach,
Speaker 1: Every team had these the offensive you know, assistance and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. They work weeks in advance,
Speaker 1: weeks in advance you could be in week one, they're
Speaker 1: breaking down week six like that's how far off and
Speaker 1: these guys are because by the time yet game actually approaches,
Speaker 1: they're handing you a folder that has all way too
Speaker 1: much information in it, that has analytics broken down by
Speaker 1: personnel groupings on down a distance third and third and
Speaker 1: one to three versus down in four to you know,
Speaker 1: third and four to six when this personnel versus this
Speaker 1: personnel grouping. This is the percentage they blizz this like
Speaker 1: it's so much information. I don't even know how they
Speaker 1: do it. Let to sit in and just learn for
Speaker 1: a second with a check. Uh. But so, I mean
Speaker 1: they just figured they just found a role for him,
Speaker 1: They just wanted them on the staff, and they just
Speaker 1: created something. Now with your experience, you obviously being a
Speaker 1: Seattle native, what do you what are your what have
Speaker 1: been what has been your observation of Shottingham. I don't
Speaker 1: have anything to add, honestly. I mean, he wasn't there
Speaker 1: when I was there. He was there later on in
Speaker 1: a you know, twenty and eighteen somewhere around there. Um,
Speaker 1: he's had an opportunity to work with Russell Wilson. So
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that there's some things that he could take
Speaker 1: from that, um, you know, to bring over to help
Speaker 1: with Dak's game. And that's I mean, hopefully that's the
Speaker 1: element that he brings. I would assume that that's the
Speaker 1: leadership aspect that they're hoping to bring into that room
Speaker 1: to try to take some of that off. Maybe there's
Speaker 1: needs to be a buffer between Kellen Moore and Dak,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. But hopefully he can be that
Speaker 1: guy that can be the dog on angel on Dak's
Speaker 1: shoulder to help him make good decisions and that angel
Speaker 1: that he definitely needs, that good angel on his shoulder.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that when you look at
Speaker 1: Brian Schottenhammer's coaching record in twenty eighteen when he was
Speaker 1: with Seattle, that was the year that Seattle was leading
Speaker 1: the league in rushing. I mean, which is a passing
Speaker 1: coordinator guy and all that. I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: a you know, action team man, absolutely a play action team.
Speaker 1: And I also like what you said about Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: I think if I've always had the equivalent of a
Speaker 1: game like comparison has always been between Dak and Russell,
Speaker 1: which I think Russell obviously has the incredible arm. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I think that that's the correlation
Speaker 1: between the two. He also had a stint in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: But nothing about this bothers you guys from a bringing
Speaker 1: in new coaches just status quo. You're basically saying that, Look,
Speaker 1: this isn't anything new, this is what you know guys
Speaker 1: do anyway. But but does that set the table for
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about for Mike McCarthy, as you
Speaker 1: alluded to before, Like, look, this is going to be
Speaker 1: a coaching challenge, and just like Dan quinn, Uh, these
Speaker 1: guys are gonna have to bring that level up, uh,
Speaker 1: in order to keep I don't want to say keep
Speaker 1: their jobs, but you know, obviously elevate this team. Now,
Speaker 1: look at the offensive line. Look at look at I mean,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a new left guard, whether it's a
Speaker 1: draft pick, whether it's a stop gap veteran. They're gonna
Speaker 1: probably try to bring us in competition at center. Um,
Speaker 1: they got to still got a young guy and Terrence Steele,
Speaker 1: who's the right tackle. Like that's they've got to take
Speaker 1: a step forward. And that's you know, that's largely on
Speaker 1: Joe Philbin too to coach up that room. So um,
Speaker 1: it's a it's gonna be a huge factor and in
Speaker 1: whether they can take another step forward because I still
Speaker 1: think there's talent on this team. We talked about, like
Speaker 1: Jerry mentioned the ten to eleven guys, it's a fifty
Speaker 1: three men roster, and they were they were fortunate last
Speaker 1: year to have as much health as they did down
Speaker 1: the stretch. You can't count on being as a healthy
Speaker 1: as they were. Dream yeah on January for a future year.
Speaker 1: And so I love the question also that was asked
Speaker 1: h Jerry about what you know we're doing in the
Speaker 1: draft and his thing was, yeah, I'm doing offensive line
Speaker 1: unless there's a Micaul CD sitting there, which which which
Speaker 1: I don't believe any of it because you know they're
Speaker 1: they're going heading in a whole nother direction. But Michael,
Speaker 1: I just just off the cuff. I gotta ask at
Speaker 1: left guard, why hasn't Connor McGovern been given much consideration
Speaker 1: there at left guard? I mean everyone was was was,
Speaker 1: you don't have the pump poems out for a mid
Speaker 1: mid season and now that's all dissipated and going away.
Speaker 1: Come on, I say tell me something. That's your guy,
Speaker 1: that's your guy. C. Matts n I have done it
Speaker 1: against McGovern. I think he's a good player, but I
Speaker 1: think I think you have to bring somebody in who's
Speaker 1: just either just was a complete dog in college, like
Speaker 1: they're just like he has an attitude like I'm a
Speaker 1: dog and I'm McNasty and I don't care who stands
Speaker 1: in front of me. I don't care everything. They've been
Speaker 1: in the league for teen years and I'm a rickie.
Speaker 1: You got to either bring in that type of guy
Speaker 1: that's just physically imposing, or you have to bring in
Speaker 1: a veteran who's a sure thing that can add to
Speaker 1: what you have going on. Um to the left of
Speaker 1: him with with with a big, big tyrant and you know,
Speaker 1: to the right of him, which will be obviously, UM,
Speaker 1: I just blanked out, Uh, what's our center? Be honest?
Speaker 1: So be honest needs help. Be Honest needs that. I
Speaker 1: don't think that we're gonna see a replacement of be honest.
Speaker 1: I just think that they're gonna try to add somebody
Speaker 1: that's gonna support him. Right if he has somebody, he
Speaker 1: got a little limp to him right now, right, I
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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. As you know, Isaiah slaps the mic from
Speaker 1: one side to another. I did not go as firm
Speaker 1: as Will Smith. We've been slapping for about fifty minutes already,
Speaker 1: and come on, let's just get it out of the way.
Speaker 1: And was strong. It was a strong hand strong, very strong.
Speaker 1: Let's let's just get it out of the way, the
Speaker 1: walk up, Let's ask this question and we can move on.
Speaker 1: Who was more in the wrong, Chris Rock or Will Smith.
Speaker 1: It was so embarrassing, period, I don't you know, it's
Speaker 1: really hard for me to kind of place it and
Speaker 1: pick aside. I just it's embarrassed. It's an embarrassment. It
Speaker 1: wasn't embarrassed complete, you know, but his disregard for Chris
Speaker 1: Rock's face at that point the Batman followed through. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what could mean though, that is that's that's
Speaker 1: Chris Rock. Chris. You assume that he knew she had that, Yes,
Speaker 1: very much. That's fact. No fact, you don't know he did.
Speaker 1: You know that the word is the word is he
Speaker 1: didn't even write that. The writers wrote it. Oh he
Speaker 1: got slapped for something somebody else. That's insultant Toffy's so
Speaker 1: upset about it. Hey, but the technique was flawless. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna slap somebody, that is the proper way to
Speaker 1: slap somebody. As I've seen that in the hood, grown up.
Speaker 1: This is true. This is a thing that has happened
Speaker 1: a lot. But here's the question, Pete. Has anyone ever
Speaker 1: walked up and slapped you in your face? Um? Have
Speaker 1: you ever been slapped in your life? Ra? Not slapped.
Speaker 1: I've been mushed, not mushed. I've been boomed. Oh you
Speaker 1: got a boot since we're on them, since we're on
Speaker 1: the super side, since we're on the super bad train. Here,
Speaker 1: Oh beat somebody in the big mood. Boy, I need
Speaker 1: to dump this. It's from Nick, it's mclovin. Now, it's
Speaker 1: not mclovin, it's the other two guys. I mean, how
Speaker 1: does that go? What do you do after that? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a loving thing. That's not that's not that's not fighting. No,
Speaker 1: the boopy, but the boop might be more disrespectful than
Speaker 1: the slap. Actually, one time I accidentally slapped the guy
Speaker 1: playing basketball. It was an accidental slap. I went to
Speaker 1: go upside the head, kind of like whoops upside a hit, Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of like Billy Hoyles style, you know, And I
Speaker 1: went low and the guy just laughed at me. He
Speaker 1: just laughed. I thought I was gonna get my kicked,
Speaker 1: but he just laughed at me. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever been slapped, so he didn't boop you no boop,
Speaker 1: no boola boop is love he wow, have you been
Speaker 1: have you been slapped? Man? Let me tell you you
Speaker 1: somebody will need a doctor and I will need a lawyer.
Speaker 1: Don't that's not that's not the business. That's not the business.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know what, that's what I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: that's I've been man, not that's I don't even I
Speaker 1: don't even know. A finger in the face, a finger
Speaker 1: in the face to get your finger dislocated. But you know,
Speaker 1: that's just one of those things where you slap somebody.
Speaker 1: It's so disrespectful one to slap anybody. But we knew
Speaker 1: he was a slapper. We need a slapper when he
Speaker 1: was on the red carpet and in the in the
Speaker 1: dude trying to kiss him. He slapped that guy and
Speaker 1: he slapped somebody and he slapped what's your name in hitch.
Speaker 1: He's a slapper. But I didn't know that. I go
Speaker 1: back and check that ou individual slapper the guy who
Speaker 1: kissed him in the mouth. He yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: backhand slap. Yeah, it was like it was a backhand
Speaker 1: I mean that's the guy that you hey, that's you
Speaker 1: macloving too, right, there baby, because that's not a bo
Speaker 1: I mean, I just look, man, I will say this
Speaker 1: and end it all, is that Chris Rock showed a
Speaker 1: lot of restraint by staying on code and still handing
Speaker 1: out the award after that was last. That was impressive.
Speaker 1: You could tell, like right in the moment people thought
Speaker 1: was this is this a joke until you could talking,
Speaker 1: But yeah, you could tell with his reaction like it wasn't.
Speaker 1: But we talked in the break like they gonna take
Speaker 1: his oscar away? Yea, they will? I man, I hope
Speaker 1: not they will. I mean it was gonna suck, but
Speaker 1: they will. They have to setting an example. And speaking
Speaker 1: of setting in example, we have a guy here in
Speaker 1: the building that has man an undertaking. He has with
Speaker 1: probably the biggest number on the team, wearing number eighty eight,
Speaker 1: and the pressure is right on him, especially now with
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper being in Cleveland. You alluded you talked to it,
Speaker 1: talked about it as just saying that, look, the team
Speaker 1: was going to make this decision to move on from
Speaker 1: Cooper anyway to allow for Cede Lamb to have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to be a number one receiver. But Isaiah, I've
Speaker 1: got to ask you and your observation of Sadarius Lamb
Speaker 1: and the job that he did and obviously his coming
Speaker 1: out this year being an eleven hundred yard receiver, do
Speaker 1: you think he is ready for the weight of being
Speaker 1: a number one receiver? No, picking my words wisely, I
Speaker 1: don't think that he's ready to be a number one.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if his confidence level is there yet,
Speaker 1: not to say that he won't be there relatively soon,
Speaker 1: but also don't believe that anyone anyone, and I don't
Speaker 1: think CD. I'tna say this now at this date, on
Speaker 1: this date as of right now, okay, but tonight it
Speaker 1: was twenty nine, right. Yes, I don't think that there
Speaker 1: will be a number one receiver that will sign a
Speaker 1: big contract here in Dallas with this leadership. Reason being,
Speaker 1: they just prove to you what they do with number
Speaker 1: one receivers. Number one receivers don't have value here. Number
Speaker 1: one receivers don't have any rain here because we're not
Speaker 1: gonna feed you like a number one, We're not gonna
Speaker 1: feature you like a number one. They just showed you
Speaker 1: that there was no conversation about Coop's inabilities at any
Speaker 1: point in time. There's been no discussion about what Coop
Speaker 1: can't do. Coop can't run routes. He does amazing job
Speaker 1: with routes. Coop lost a step, He definitely didn't lose
Speaker 1: a step. Coop can't get off the ball. He definitely
Speaker 1: gets off the ball. Is he dropping balls? Nope, he
Speaker 1: caught the ball. So oh, isn't that what number ones do?
Speaker 1: So if you're a number one, that's what Coop was
Speaker 1: a true number one. They just got rid of you, right,
Speaker 1: So now what's the incentive now for anybody to honestly
Speaker 1: be titled a true number one. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a highly valuable player for the Dallas Cowboys. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be somebody that's very dependable, somebody that they're they're
Speaker 1: relying on heavily. But to say that he's a number one,
Speaker 1: then at that point in time, I had to put
Speaker 1: him in a context of a Tyrek Hill on a
Speaker 1: Davante Adams back, And I don't think he's that. You
Speaker 1: don't think he's think he can get there. I think
Speaker 1: with his physical skill set, I think he can just
Speaker 1: not here because of the way they run off that. Yes,
Speaker 1: do you think they'd be willing because they got to
Speaker 1: take out. I mean, Mike's here, he's working. Do you
Speaker 1: think they're taking a hard look at this potentially and
Speaker 1: being like, we have to change what we do schematically.
Speaker 1: Schematically we feature receivers, and like I spoke earlier, okay,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna pay both guys. We think CD can
Speaker 1: be that guy. That's why we're making this transition away
Speaker 1: from a MARI. But we need to in the future.
Speaker 1: If we think CD can be that guy, we have
Speaker 1: to feature him more that When I see as of
Speaker 1: right now, CD's really good receiver, okay, but when I
Speaker 1: think about number one receivers, you have to do something
Speaker 1: exceptionally well, you have to be exceptionally fast Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 1: you have to be exceptionally quick Tyreek Hill, renfro Right
Speaker 1: or route runners. Okay, you start talking about you know,
Speaker 1: the Cooper cups at these world where he's just exceptional
Speaker 1: route runners rather or not. They don't have any other amazing,
Speaker 1: crazy attributes, but they're gonna run a heck of a
Speaker 1: route and they're gonna catch the ball. Yeah, the guys
Speaker 1: like this, right, there's not one attribute that CD currently
Speaker 1: possesses that is that dominant. Now collectively, he's a really
Speaker 1: good receiver. He's not gonna blaze by anybody off the
Speaker 1: line of scribbage. He doesn't happen to just he's not
Speaker 1: just an amazing route runner at this point in time.
Speaker 1: He's a good route runner, He's not an amazing route runner, right,
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He hasn't caught the ball consistently. Right, so
Speaker 1: you start looking at the attributes of a number one receiver.
Speaker 1: He hasn't put that together yet, and I think that
Speaker 1: he will relatively quickly. He's going to figure it out.
Speaker 1: But again, I'm not sure if that's going to be
Speaker 1: the opportunity here in Dallas, just because of what they're
Speaker 1: telling you right now. We're a system team. You know.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to wrap my head around, is
Speaker 1: what you're saying about him not being here or not
Speaker 1: getting paid here. When Amari Cooper got paid here, he
Speaker 1: paid he signed a large contract, and obviously the door
Speaker 1: opened up just for Ceedee Lamb to get signed and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's why receiver room is crowded.
Speaker 1: I guess where I'm coming from from a scheme standpoint,
Speaker 1: with the way that Kelly Moore is calling this offense,
Speaker 1: and there won't be an opportunity now for teams to say,
Speaker 1: we're gonna bracket coverage on one of your guys. How
Speaker 1: does that open up the offense now? Being that you look,
Speaker 1: Mike g may not be back for the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season, but Lissa to say, hypothetically he is, you
Speaker 1: have James Washington, and you have a draft pick and
Speaker 1: other guys that will be there as well. You don't
Speaker 1: think that he can carry the weight in a scheme
Speaker 1: where it's not even calling for him to be quote
Speaker 1: unquote that lead. Do ask you guys this, and I'm
Speaker 1: you guys know I'm a straight shooter, straight and no change. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you guys think that you have the double team
Speaker 1: CD lamb right now? No? No, I mean it hasn't
Speaker 1: been proven like like a Marie, although Marie didn't get
Speaker 1: a ton of double team which is why it is
Speaker 1: why the production was surprising if they would have threw
Speaker 1: him the ball. Yeah, you better double team a Marie Cooper, right,
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, you better freaking double team him. Davantae Adams,
Speaker 1: you better double team all the number ones. You better
Speaker 1: double team him, otherwise they will single handedly recue. CD
Speaker 1: hasn't stepped into that circle yet yet. And I know,
Speaker 1: I know it's just training camp. And I know I've
Speaker 1: told myself personally, like don't overreact everything you see a
Speaker 1: training camp, but I just know, you know, thirty days
Speaker 1: in ox and are just watching him every day, it
Speaker 1: was like, man, this guy could be a yeah, he
Speaker 1: can't be. And and it hasn't shown. Although these numbers,
Speaker 1: and I know they're just numbers, but they do jump
Speaker 1: out at you. I didn't realize this is from Mickey's column.
Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty three catches in his first two
Speaker 1: years or a franchise most. And he's the first Cowboys
Speaker 1: receiver to get at least a thousand in each of
Speaker 1: his first two seasons. I mean, he's put up numbers.
Speaker 1: It's just there's consistency. He's had some drops and he
Speaker 1: hasn't been asked to He hasn't been asked to be
Speaker 1: the guy corect yet. So but now that the opportunities
Speaker 1: that he has had to be the number one guy,
Speaker 1: we didn't see the weird there's a couple opportunities this
Speaker 1: year where we're like, all right, this is this is
Speaker 1: it and then and all of that, all of that
Speaker 1: I think has been overshadow, overshadowed by how they have
Speaker 1: used these guys in concert with one another. But the
Speaker 1: numbers don't lie based off of what you're saying. And
Speaker 1: this is a franchise that's been a hunt raund for
Speaker 1: a very long time. For him to set those first
Speaker 1: says a lot about his talent. You asked me the
Speaker 1: question about him being double team and I say no, because,
Speaker 1: like Rob said, I just hadn't seen it yet. But
Speaker 1: in the game, like they say, for instance, in the
Speaker 1: Patriots game, the overtime, the walkoff touchdown, you see right there.
Speaker 1: I mean he's by himself. There are your route brand
Speaker 1: and touchdown we saw in his in his rookie season.
Speaker 1: When you use him at the slot position. What he's
Speaker 1: able to do. Slot position is one where, man, this
Speaker 1: is a guy that can expose your defense if you
Speaker 1: put him in the slot. Do you think that that's
Speaker 1: where Kelly Moore is putting his attention? If if there is,
Speaker 1: If you're gonna use this guy to his full potential,
Speaker 1: that's where it has to That's the question. Will Cede
Speaker 1: Lamb reach his full potential here in Dallas and currently
Speaker 1: under this regime. Because I know everybody's gonna sit out.
Speaker 1: THEAH said CD can't. I didn't say that. I'm saying
Speaker 1: where he's not yet, all right, I say I can
Speaker 1: see CD is fully capable as a player to be
Speaker 1: a number one receiver in this league. Absolutely within this system,
Speaker 1: he's he's restricted. If you're Kellen Moore, are you saying
Speaker 1: to yourself it's time to change? I hope so? Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: I hope so, because imminently that's where the rubber meets road,
Speaker 1: is in him changing his philosophy on how he uses it.
Speaker 1: But if you, if you, if you're willing to change
Speaker 1: your philosophy, didn't why you let who go? You don't say?
Speaker 1: Because I think so, I'm saying, like I think, well
Speaker 1: that was that was my kind of hypothetical or whatever.
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate is that can we just if we're just
Speaker 1: gonna pay one, let's go with the younger guy, our
Speaker 1: draft pick, and but moving forward, we need to change
Speaker 1: how we do things. And he's got to be featured,
Speaker 1: because I don't I don't think you can run it
Speaker 1: back the way they did it and just kind of
Speaker 1: try to spread it around and work underneath with Scholtzi.
Speaker 1: And that's gonna get it done. I mean, especially if
Speaker 1: you can't run the ball um. I don't think that
Speaker 1: they've got to They've got to find a way to
Speaker 1: feature the top guy bar. I'm with you guys on
Speaker 1: that one. Well look, speaking of that, I mean and
Speaker 1: closing this whole thing out, guys, this is going to
Speaker 1: be the first time that we go to Oxnard where
Speaker 1: our offensive line isn't the strength of our team and
Speaker 1: so talk about news flash and so much work to do.
Speaker 1: There are still gaping holes left to be filled for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys as the offseason rages on. We'll be
Speaker 1: back in the building next Tuesday, and Kyle Yeoman's this
Speaker 1: will be your spotty. We'll be waiting for you, brother.
Speaker 1: So Lorena's family, please don't put him in the Hudson
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