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Speaker 1: So there's been a lot of news about abortion in

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Speaker 1: so we were thinking about an episode we could rerun

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Speaker 1: for a classic, and we thought we could bring back

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Speaker 1: this one we did with Liz Winstead and it was

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Speaker 1: awesome powerhouse And if you're not following her, you should

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Speaker 1: be because right now, as we are getting a lot

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Speaker 1: Liz Winstead. Hi, Liz, Hi, guys, we are so happy

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Speaker 1: other things can't. And also you can't fake joy and laughter, right,

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Speaker 1: So if somebody makes you laugh, if you even ideologically

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Speaker 1: disagree with them, you for even if it was just

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Speaker 1: that second, liked that person because they brought you joy.

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Speaker 1: And so it brings a humanity back into the conversation

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Speaker 1: that I think is not present in so much of

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Speaker 1: the way we live our lives now. Right, it's very

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Speaker 1: easy to deem and I polarized other and and really

436
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Speaker 1: just it's I don't know when it came that having

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Speaker 1: a different point of view made you an evil person

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Speaker 1: who does not deserve respect and humanity. Like that's a

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Speaker 1: just terrifying place that I often see in this landscape

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Speaker 1: that we're living in. So yeah, I'm a long window.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I just like you asked a question that

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Speaker 1: I know, this is what we love. We want the

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Speaker 1: full explanation, give it yes, And that really resonates with

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Speaker 1: me because I did. I grew up in a small

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Speaker 1: town most smanthan I did, grew up in small conservative

446
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: towns and you did as well, correct me Minneapolis, so nod.

447
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: I grew up with really conservative parents who didn't know

448
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: what to do that I was exposed to the liberal garbage.

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00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: My dad used to call it the people's Republic of Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: like he couldn't take it. Definitely not we than what

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Speaker 1: my parents said. So my dad said some other step

452
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Speaker 1: too that wasn't great. Because my dad was from Philadelphia, Mississippi,

453
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Speaker 1: which if you've never heard of Philadelphia, Mississippi, it's where

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Speaker 1: the Mississippi Burning murders happened. So that's the town that

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Speaker 1: my dad grew up in and then my mom was

456
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Speaker 1: from the Twin Cities and they met in Washington, d C.

457
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: During World War two, and so she dragged him to

458
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: this socialist hellscape. And yeah, but the connecting with people

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Speaker 1: over humor, and I guess when the Daily Show was

460
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: getting started and really taking off, that was right around

461
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Speaker 1: like that goal for thing CNN and that twenty four

462
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Speaker 1: hour cable news was taking off. And for me personally,

463
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Speaker 1: I loved the Daily Show because the news was so

464
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Speaker 1: hard for me to consume often. But if I could

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Speaker 1: get it through a comedic form, even if sometimes it

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Speaker 1: was still really painful or like scary, it was just

467
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Speaker 1: so much easier for me to watch it. And I

468
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Speaker 1: am someone who thinks it is important to stay informed,

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Speaker 1: so I'm so happy that that was an option. And

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Speaker 1: it did make me feel us alone because I did

471
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Speaker 1: grow up in a really conservative space, and sometimes I

472
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: would think, is there literally anyone else who agreed like

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Speaker 1: as having these thoughts of these feelings. Is it just

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Speaker 1: me that thinks that this is messed up? And it

475
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: was so comforting to have that and see you're not alone,

476
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: and other people are laughing at that, and you're laughing

477
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: at that, and you are connecting over it. And so

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00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: through your time as being at the forefront of political satire,

479
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: have you seen has it changed? Have you seen it change?

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00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: I've seen it change in the sense of what used

481
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: to be clear satire is now it's very hard to

482
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Speaker 1: satirize when you have movements that believe Hillary Clinton was

483
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: running a pedophile ring in the basement of a pizza parliament,

484
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: for example, and you had literally right, and so how

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Speaker 1: do you satirize that? Like I literally wrote a joke

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Speaker 1: about the Georgia voting legislation where I was like, you know,

487
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Speaker 1: part of the charge of voting laws is that you

488
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: can't just vote, you have to you have to walk

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Speaker 1: through checkpoint Charlie Daniels. And people were like, is that true?

490
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, it's that, but I know,

491
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Speaker 1: like I know that it seems like it could be right.

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Speaker 1: So part of it has been satirizing this is which

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00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: has been really hard. The other part that's been really

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Speaker 1: interesting is watching people who like late night shows, would

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00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 1: always do really banal kind of political jokes, if they

496
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: would do any at all, And when Trump happened, a

497
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: lot of armchair folks jumped in and became Trumpian and

498
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: did Trump material and called the political satire right. I

499
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: used to be able to do like material around like

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Speaker 1: when Obama was creating Obamacare, Like there was a myriad

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Speaker 1: of things around that, and I could tell the story

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Speaker 1: of the evolution of Obamacare, and I could talk about

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Speaker 1: the haters who are like useless and all the death

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00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: panel stuff, and then I could talk about the rollout

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Speaker 1: of Obamacare and just laugh about all of the crazy

506
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: things that happened and really do like ten minutes on

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Speaker 1: explaining something that was an issue that you can hit

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Speaker 1: all the parts of it. And it's really hard now

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00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: because you have people kind of doing serfacing material that's

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00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: you know about his Trump wearing a diaper. I don't care,

511
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: He's just drawing democracy, you know what I mean. And

512
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: so having fancy comedians doing hacky political material has been

513
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: a little bit hard when you're trying to do something

514
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: and I don't want to say smarter, but at least

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00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: that makes a point and gets people to think because

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Speaker 1: you're pointing out the hypocrisy and asking questions. So that's

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Speaker 1: been a big change around, you know, the landscape in general.

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Speaker 1: The good news is because of women and queer folks

519
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: coming forward, and because of Twitter and because of social

520
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: media where agency was given to folks who never had

521
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: it before and having opinions real issues are being able

522
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Speaker 1: to talk about. I don't have to prove that sexual

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Speaker 1: harassment and sexual assault is happening anymore, you know, like

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Speaker 1: like I can like now just go in without explanation,

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00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: because for years that was it. Oh you're exaggerating. Oh

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00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: that's not really true that you know. And so to

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Speaker 1: have a different kind of baseline at least has been

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Speaker 1: also kind of helpful in the landscape of like what's

529
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Speaker 1: been good and what's been bad about it? Having people

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00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: believe us for the first time ever is huge, and

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Speaker 1: I really I feel like part of incorporate that into

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Speaker 1: my comedy. It's just massively important to honor though who

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00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: never got a shake and who got RT, you know,

534
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: talking about cancel, who got canceled, people who came forward

535
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: when they were harassed and destroyed by simply asking to

536
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Speaker 1: not be harmed at work or on a date. Right,

537
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: So when I hear about this crying of cancel culture,

538
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm just like, again, would you please stop? Because you

539
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: have been a pully forever and it's been rewarded, and

540
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: those who are victims of your bulliness are the ones

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Speaker 1: who actually we don't know where they are. You know,

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00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: anytime there's an actor you liked from the seventies or

543
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: eighties or nineties, you're like, what happened to them? I

544
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: love them? Probably they called out some garbage human and

545
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: we're never heard from again, which is very upsetting because

546
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: then you think of all the stuff we've lost, all

547
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: of this comedy we don't have, and it does become

548
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: like I have to check in with myself a lot

549
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: to not almost look at the larger picture of that,

550
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: because what gets me up every j is the fact

551
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: that I am able to do that. And I'm sixty.

552
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: I turned sixty in August, and all of these avenues

553
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: have allowed me to be as relevant as I choose,

554
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's really cool. And to be

555
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: able to have abortion access front and work in an

556
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Speaker 1: environment where I could be the parents of everyone, the

557
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: grandparents of some, or as I say to them, I

558
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: kind of terminated all of you, so you know, I'd

559
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: like to keep them on their shoes. But so, you know,

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00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 1: it's like to be able to elevate those voices and

561
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: to sort of bring my age and wisdom in sort

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00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: of like this Auntie role. And it's been really cool

563
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: and it's really nice to be able to the show

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00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: that we're doing. Feminist Buzzkills Live in the Fall is

565
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: going to be really fun because it's it's I'm sixty. Um,

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Speaker 1: there's an African American woman who is in the early forties,

567
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: and then a South Asian woman who's in her early thirties,

568
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: and so generally, and then we'll have guests on who

569
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: are like in their twenties, right, so generationally and culturally

570
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: coming to this issue from really different experiences and having

571
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: two out of those three experiences not be the experience

572
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: that is mine, which everybody sort of knows mine, right,

573
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: And so to be able to take a back seat

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00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: and and have these voices uplifted, I feel really excited

575
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: about because and we're seeing so much of that now,

576
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: which is really great. You know when people are like,

577
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: what are your favorite comics, and I just think of,

578
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: like all these great people and that it's not just

579
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: a litany of white male comedians anymore than you list

580
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: off right. You can just go down the line of

581
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: Joe L. Johnson, Jenny Yang, Helen Ho, Jeanie Ashera, Sam Jay.

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Speaker 1: You know, like you can just go on and on

583
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Speaker 1: and on and you're like, oh my god, there's so

584
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: many it's so cool. I will say I connected with

585
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: Helen a little too much when she was on stage,

586
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: just like stop it, stop it doing an hour special. Um,

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00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: she's taking it more special soon, Yes, through the Tribeca

588
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: Film Festival, which I'm really really really excited about. I'm

589
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: such a big fan. She's been also out on the

590
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: road with us a whole bunch. That's how I got

591
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: introduced to her was because when I came to the

592
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: show and I was like, oh my god, and then

593
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: I saw our new girls like Helen, I know who that. Yeah.

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00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: I think that's an amazing conversation because yeah, like I said,

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00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: I was introduced to your show, your comedy show, specifically

596
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: through what you're doing with abortion Access Front and it's amazing.

597
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: And you have you have such a way of obviously

598
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: mentoring the new up andcoming because every time I've only

599
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: gone to the show twice, but you've always brought on

600
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: newer people, younger kids. I say kids. They're not kids.

601
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 1: They're not twenty years younger than me, So I say kids.

602
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: You know, I hit that gap. She's early thirties and

603
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: early forties, so we hit those gaps too, but younger

604
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: generations that are doing comedy better because I'm not gonna lie.

605
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: For the longest time, I couldn't watch stand up. Watching

606
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: comedy shows always made me cringe because I was afraid

607
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: of what they're going to say next. And then coming

608
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: to this, I guess generation this time frame, when you

609
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: actually get to see good comedy that's not at the

610
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: expense of women are marginalized communities, You're like, what, what

611
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: is this new thing? And I love seeing that, but

612
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: also I love that you do it with a purpose.

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00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: You have the whole reason abortion Access Front is not

614
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: about just the comedy, but again helping, like you are

615
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: going to these individual clinics and helping assisting, whether it's

616
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,959
Speaker 1: I said Chanelle went to actually put up chairs and paint.

617
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: At one point she was like, I gotta go and

618
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: do this thing because I gotta go. And I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: you're actually going in and being a part of that

620
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: family and restoring some kind of just being told thank

621
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: you for what you're doing instead of being screamed at

622
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: for the first time in a very long time, probably

623
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Speaker 1: how did you even come to this point? How did

624
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: this organization began? How did you come to this point?

625
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: So what happened was I was finishing up my book

626
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: and I had come back to Minnesota because the book

627
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: is a series of essays about my sort of life,

628
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: how I found my voice, how that voice landed on stage,

629
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: and then how that voice evolved from comedy just straight

630
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: up comedy into having this purpose and then where it led. Right.

631
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: So I was finishing up my book and I didn't

632
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: know what I was going to do next, and didn't

633
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: you know, I was like trying to integrate another show,

634
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: like what I want to do, And it was right

635
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: when all of those abortion laws were happening right around.

636
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: And you'll remember, Wendy Davis is kind of the touch

637
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: tone for everybody standing there in Texas and filibustering. And

638
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: what people didn't realize was Texas was one of twenty

639
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: seven states that had that exact bill dumped on them.

640
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: But the other twenty six states didn't have a Wendy Davis,

641
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: so people didn't know. And so I was like watching

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Speaker 1: Texas and I was tweeting about it, and then other

643
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Speaker 1: clinics were kind of tweeting at me, saying that our

644
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: legislature just did this too and not and people were

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00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: activists and p full work from around the country. We're like,

646
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: this is going on all over. So then I was like,

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00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, what am I gonna do? So I

648
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: was going to go back to Brooklyn. So I had

649
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: my two dogs and I rented a van and I

650
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: did comedy fundraisers to get back to Brooklyn for these clinics.

651
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: And I went to go visit the clinics. And what

652
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: happened was every clinic I would go visit, the staff

653
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: was literally shocked and said, you know, in the saddest way,

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00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: thank you for coming. People don't come here to visit us.

655
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: And I thought, how are we to keep access to

656
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: care If you feel so defeated and marginalized and other

657
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: you're not going to keep staffs. So when I got

658
00:37:53,960 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: back to New York, I threw a giant dinner for comedians, writers,

659
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: everybody I knew that worked in my field, that I

660
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: knew was feminist, that I knew cared about issues. And

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00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: I was like, we all are here because we had

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00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: access to birth control and some of us had access

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00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: to abortion. We need to get out there and show

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Speaker 1: people love. And the other thing that I had found

665
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: out from the clinics was if you provide abortion, especially

666
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: in areas that are hostile towards it, you can't get

667
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: someone to mow your momt paint your hallways, fix your roof,

668
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: do anything, because people will boycott those companies. So we

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00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: talked and we decided we were going to create a

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00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: nonprofit that made videos like Funnier Die videos that would

671
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: expose the issues, and then we were going to kind

672
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: of do this USO cross with Habitats for Humanity and

673
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: travel around the country do comedy shows that we're comedy

674
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: variety shows, so you'll have some comedy, you'll have a

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00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: conversation with the activists in the community and the clinic,

676
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: and then you'll have maybe a musician also, so that

677
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: our audiences could learn what's at stake, how they could help,

678
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: and sign up with the local folks on the ground

679
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: and then carry on the work. You know, we have

680
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: people tabling, so you could watch the show here from

681
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: the people go sign up right down at the table,

682
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: and then we go to the clinics and we will

683
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: find out what they need. So we will do the gardening.

684
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: We will mow their lawn, will do that, and when

685
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: we know what they need, will bring that up in

686
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: the show. So it'll be like we'll do a little

687
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: work ahead of time, right, And so then what's cool.

688
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. I was in Oklahoma City and we

689
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: were just talking about what they needed in Oklahoma City,

690
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: and this guy raises his hand and he's like, you're

691
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: telling me the activism is I sign up and say

692
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: I'll be your landscaping company. You pay me, and I'm

693
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: an activist. And I was like yes, because the act

694
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: of parking your van in front of that clinic say

695
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: you support these people is an act of defiance and

696
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: an act of support. And so people really when they

697
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: start to hear that, and when we can go to

698
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: every city and and know in advance what they're having

699
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: a hard time getting services for and put it out

700
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: to the audience, we're always getting people to sign up

701
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: and say I'm happy to be that person. But people

702
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: don't know. And part of I think what's so important

703
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: when you're looking at where you want to be helpful

704
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: or how you want to do your activism is making

705
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: sure you're not replicating work you know is their organizations

706
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 1: already doing this and being better at it. And usually

707
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: there are and they're and they're usually bipop led organizations

708
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: that like white people don't know about so they're gonna

709
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: start a thing, so, you know, elevating the organization is

710
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: already doing it on the ground, but nobody was doing

711
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: the work of making sure that the clinics and that

712
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: the activists on the ground, we're getting the support that

713
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: they needed because they're great, they're doing the work, but

714
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: they always need Everybody always needs a little pr right,

715
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: everybody always needs a little platform to talk about how

716
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: great they are. And for us to be able to

717
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: gather folks who like our comedy and do that and

718
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: then explain to them what's at stake. I felt like

719
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: a really good lane that I could be in that

720
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: there and and carve out when there wasn't a lane before.

721
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: So that part of it is so rewarding. And during

722
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: COVID it was really hard because we couldn't get on

723
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: on the road and do that. So we were doing

724
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: zoom conversations and we were and and and sort of

725
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: doing it sort of virtually, and then starting this big

726
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: mutual aid program so that people could really take care

727
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: of folks and then training the folks who were already

728
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: on the ground how to use humor to just marginalize

729
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: and shame all those protesters out there too, So that

730
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: was part of our thing as well. So hoping to

731
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: get back out on the road in with the organization,

732
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: but I myself, I'm going to be out doing some

733
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: stand up gigs starting in late summer and into the

734
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: fall as well, so hopefully I'll get to Atlanta. I'm

735
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: trying too, because I want to Atlanta, Asheville, Raleigh run

736
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: and so um that's kind of what I'm hoping to

737
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: get for hopefully in the late folish or early winter,

738
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: so I'll be seeing you. Yes, I love that so

739
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: much because I think that is something people struggle with,

740
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: is not necessarily understanding the needs and where they can

741
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: help and what activism can look like. So I think

742
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: that is fantastic. As far as I feel like this

743
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: conversation is upsetting because it's like everything with Rob Wade,

744
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: it's just is always a fight. It's always a battle

745
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: never ends. Are there things that we should be looking

746
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: out for that are going on right now? Yeah? I

747
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: mean one thing that I would say is part of

748
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: the reason that we got here is because we we

749
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: talked so much about we don't look at things to

750
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: stop them early in their in their situations. Right, like

751
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: the maddening people who are like both candidates are the

752
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: same or above. Elections don't matter. It's like we with

753
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, we build up a lower court and a

754
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: Supreme court hostile towards abortion rights, were rights, you know,

755
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: all the things that actually expand humanities, valuing humans, and

756
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: so you know, and I think a lot of folks

757
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: don't realize that when we talk about these abortion laws.

758
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: The way that they happen is that big giant like

759
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: organizations that are in Washington, d c. Anti abortion organizations,

760
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: they write legislation and then they hand it over to

761
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: legislatures that are hustle to abortion. They get it through

762
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: that place, and they specifically target states that have a

763
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: legislatures that will pass it and be that are located

764
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: in a lower court district so that if it gets challenge,

765
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: it can go to the lower court and get to

766
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. Right. So, the one thing that we

767
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: desperately need to do is figure out who is in

768
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: our state senates and our state legislatures and work to

769
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: get them out so that these laws aren't being proposed

770
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: to begin with. That's one thing, because then it's the

771
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 1: same people proposing the anti ABDQ laws, the voter suppression laws,

772
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: gotten laws like, it's all the same people, right, There's

773
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: just a cabal. There's intersectional hatred going on that's really profound.

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00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 1: So having said that, you know, if a law gets

775
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: passed in Kentucky and makes it all the way to

776
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, that you don't live in Kentucky, but

777
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're reproductive rights could be effective forever.

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00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: So what's happening is Mississippi passed a law of fifteen

779
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,479
Speaker 1: weeks abortion ban. Rob Wade states that abortion is legal

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00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: in all fifty states up to twenty four weeks or

781
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: the viability of the fetus. Everybody's entitled to that abortion

782
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: is legal in all fifty states right now. A lot

783
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: of these laws that we've seen recently have challenged access

784
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: to abortion, but haven't directly challenged that tenant of Roby Wade.

785
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: So we've seen things like you need to be have

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00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: admitting privileges to a hospital if you're going to perform abortions,

787
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: or twenty for our waiting periods. Those are curving access,

788
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: but not overturning Roe v. Wait this particular Mississippi law.

789
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: And this is what's really interesting about it is that

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00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: normally the Supreme Court will take up a case when

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00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: the lower courts have been divided or conflicted on whether

792
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: or not the law is unconstitutional. In this case, to

793
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: lower courts, and conservative lower courts have said a fifteen

794
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: week ban is unconstitutional because Roe w. Waite says twenty

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00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: four weeks, and this is fifteen weeks. Two times, the

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00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: state of Mississippi said no, we're still going to try

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00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 1: to go anyway, and they petitioned the Supreme Court directly,

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00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: and the Supreme Court, in an unprecedented move, took a

799
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: case that every court degree was unconstitutional, took it to

800
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: hear it anyway, which should scare folks. So they're gonna

801
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: hear it in the fall. If the Supreme Court rules

802
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: that it is constitutional for you to block abortion after

803
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: fifteen weeks, that means Roe w. Wade has been overturned.

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00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: And there are eleven states that right now have in

805
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: place something that's called a trigger, and what that means

806
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: is within twenty four hours, eleven states will outright ban

807
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: abortion in all cases. My fear is that because the

808
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: Supreme Court has taken on this case, it's a signal

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00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: to other states who are hostile to abortion, who have

810
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: not yet put in trigger bands yet to do so,

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00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: and so we could wind up with a very real

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00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: possibility that Roe v. Wade will end as we know it.

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00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: So that's what's happening right now. We will be which

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00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm excited about, will be going to d C, will

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00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: be working as hard as we can to support the

816
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: activists in Mississippi and the activists around it and raising awareness.

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00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: Our Twitter feed at Abortion Front is a really good

818
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: hub of information. If you're not getting information around the

819
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: laws and everything, we are really good about doing that

820
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: and really putting stuff up there and driving you to

821
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: places where you can read more the people who are

822
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: working locally on the ground, so that if you see

823
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: something in your upset and you want to help, you're

824
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: not just making a blanket donation to X large organization.

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00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: You will be able to tell you in Kentucky, here's

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00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: the place that you might want to give. You know,

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00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: we we oftentimes I love planned parenthood They're incredible, but

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00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: at oftentimes there's not planned parenthoods in a state that

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00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: is being affected, and so you want to know who

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00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: the clinic is, who the activists are, stuff like that. Yeah,

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00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: speaking of abortion actions front Twitter, just recently, I've noticed

832
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: this whole conversation about the fact that a current administration

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00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: who is technically pro choice technically still has a hard

834
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: time using the word abortion. I know that that was

835
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: a big conversation to the point that not only are

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00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: you know your side as well as other actives are

837
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: like hey, abortion, like trying to spell it out like

838
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: it's not a bad word. I think it's such a

839
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: weird idea, especially today, this day and age, why it's

840
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: so hard to understand just normalizing that term actually helps

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00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: part of this fight. Can you talk on that a

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00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, And I would say it's the single

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00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: most important thing that we can do to get us

844
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: on a path of reproductive equality, because we for so

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00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: long have been overrun with the anti abortion playbook, even

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00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: to the point where we've allowed themselves to refer to

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00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: themselves as pro life when they're the ones who are

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00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: not considering the life of someone who's pregnant, blowing up

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00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: abortion clinics, threatening doctors. There's nothing pro life about denying

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00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: somebody else life saving healthcare. So you know, we've even

851
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: seated that right, we've seated this moral ground where we

852
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: feel like we need to have caveats when we defend it.

853
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: We have to say, well, nobody's pro abortion. I actually am.

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00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: I will actually say that in pro abortion because I

855
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: feel like if somebody needs to make that choice, it

856
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: is not my decision or it is not my right

857
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: to judge them for why they're making it. If they've

858
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: decided they want to do that, I believe them, and

859
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: they're making a moral, ethical choice for themselves. And so

860
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: unless we get to a point where we can say it,

861
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: and we can say it with with dignity and respect

862
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: and giving it, it's it's moral claim. We can't defend it.

863
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: How can you defend something you can't say why is it?

864
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: And and really asking folks the question, why is it

865
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: that you have to say I'm pro choice and not abortion.

866
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm for abortion, but only in the in the cases

867
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: of rape and incests, sort of setting up this narrative

868
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: that there's good abortions and there's bad abortions. Right, there's

869
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: no good abad abortion. There's only the abortion that you need.

870
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: And we really need to be actively supporting when someone

871
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: says they need that, because I'm unclear of the of

872
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: how the hypocrites get away with being anti birth control,

873
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: anti abortion. It's like, what what what world of abstinence

874
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: and unicorns are you living in? You know, s happened

875
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: forever and since forever, and abortions have happened forever, since forever,

876
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, since the history of We've realized how fun

877
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: sex is and that it's free, Like those are giant

878
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: things in the world. That means it's gonna keep happening.

879
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: It's the most fun you can have, and it also

880
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: costs nothing, so we should probably make sure people are

881
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: having it safely and without shame and stigma. That's all right, right, yes,

882
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: well we could talk forever because I'm just like feeling

883
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: rage and all these like interconnected issues built up in

884
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: me where I it's like, well, you men want to

885
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: have sex with women and they think it's all right,

886
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: but they can't have birth control and they can't have abortions,

887
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: and it's just like all of this punishment and stigma

888
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: and weirdness around women controlling their bodies and female sexual pleasure.

889
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: And also like I love how conservatives are all you know,

890
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: I want my individual rights. Don't tread on me. But

891
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: but also you can tread on earth though I know.

892
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: And also just the patriarchal set up of the value

893
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: of women in society, and that is creating these hyper

894
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: sexualized beings and giving them worth and then and then

895
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: when they act on that, when we act on it, patriarchy.

896
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: You know, there is nothing better than when you really

897
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: just like shed you sloth your skin of any interest

898
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: in the male gaze. It is the most freeing thing

899
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: in the world. You know. Forever, I never realized why

900
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: women in their fifties started becoming so powerful and why

901
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: they were marginalized at the same time. And it's because

902
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:30,479
Speaker 1: they do not give a flying f about what people think,

903
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: only what they desire and what they want for the

904
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: greater good. And in turn that terrifies the white supremacy

905
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: power structure. So you have to marginalize the older women

906
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: because they have a ton of power. So when you

907
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: watch that convergence and you realize that's the plan, it

908
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: only makes you even more emboldened, and that's kind of

909
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: a good feeling. So for you young uns out there,

910
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: and then I'm talking to the two of you know,

911
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: under and that you're coming into your power profoundly and

912
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: it's really rewarding that that's awesome. Yes, So could you

913
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: talk about the Hide Act because I know you all

914
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: recently did a video explaining it. Yeah. So it's um

915
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: for forty seven years, ever since, you know, like Robie

916
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: Wade was passed in nineteen and three years later a

917
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: Congressman from Illinois named Henry Hyde, who was by the

918
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: way while get to a sister a minute, wanted to

919
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: curb abortion and ban abortion anyway he could, and he

920
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: actually said in a quote, I would like to ban

921
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: tax dollars from paying for abortions. I'd like to ban

922
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: all abortions. And since I can't stop rich women from

923
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 1: having abortions, I'm going to punish poor women from having wortion.

924
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: Actually said this outlaud, not even saying the quiet part

925
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: out loud, saying the loud part outlaud. So he and

926
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: aacted something called the High Amendment, which is attached to

927
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: the annual budget bill every year. It has for forty

928
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: seven years, and what it says is federal tax dollars

929
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 1: will not fund abortion in any way, shape or form,

930
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: and that means for people who get their health care

931
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: from Medicaid. That means folks who work for the government,

932
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: That means folks who are in the military can't access

933
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: their own health care for abortions. It's caused an incredible

934
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: financial rift, as you can imagine, if somebody is seeking

935
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: abortion is either low income, uses Medicaid or is working

936
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: for the federal government. So and it's just racist, it's

937
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: just garbage, it's racist, it's classes, it's everything. For forty

938
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: seven years, every president, even the ones you love, have

939
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: the high Amendment has ended up in the budget and

940
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: they have just let it be there. Now odd lead,

941
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: this is the first time this year Joe Biden, the

942
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: lukewarm pro choice, won't say abortion person left hide out

943
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: of the budget. So we will see if we can

944
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: literally and hide, because what that would mean is low

945
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: income folks seeking abortion care wouldn't struggle to find the

946
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: funds to access care. They wouldn't have to wait as long.

947
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: Oftentimes people have to cross several state lines. They are

948
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: trying to raise the funds to get their care, so

949
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: they end up further in their pregnancy and that abortion

950
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 1: costs even more money. It's a reproductive emancipation for black

951
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: and brown folks. And for low income folks. And I

952
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: just feel like it would be really incredible if we

953
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: And there's a great short film it just came out

954
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: and it's called Abortion Helpline. This is Least. That's a

955
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: short film that came out in one early that follows

956
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: an abortion fund, which there's a volunteer lad fund there

957
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 1: all over the country that folks can call an access

958
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: to see if they can get funds to help them.

959
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: And it shows the effects of the High Amendment, explains

960
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: the High Amendment and really shows how the High Amentment

961
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: really affects people. It's a fourteen minute tour film, but

962
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: it is devastating and it's really really it's it's it's

963
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: a it's a really good explainer to learn about hide.

964
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 1: So with any hope at all, we've made progress and

965
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: through our razor thin Congress, I don't know if we

966
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: can get it in the Senate, but it would be

967
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: really nice to have a budget that did not have

968
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: reproductive oppression in it. Um Or go to All above All.

969
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: They are a really great nonprofit that has been leading

970
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: the charge on ending the High Amendment. They have been

971
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: so great, So All above All dot org and you

972
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: can find out how you can fight back and how

973
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: you can be helpful there. So yeah, So honestly, even

974
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: though I had been a part of social work, so

975
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: that's that was my career before I started podcasting, as

976
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: well as having friends who we are all very feminist forward,

977
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: I actually didn't know much about the Hidemim until I

978
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: came to your first show and the video was beautiful.

979
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, what is happening and

980
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: this is what we're talking about. I never really knew

981
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: what it was or how it really affected our community

982
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: and especially yes, marginalized communities, how it's really going after

983
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: poor people on top of the fact that they're not

984
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: assisting when they do have kids, and oftentimes I would

985
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: end up working with those kids and not having any

986
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: funds to help them access medical help or mental health

987
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: help or any of that stuff. And that's kind of

988
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: that big conversation of what is this really about? What

989
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: is honestly like, it's kind of about punishing people who

990
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: don't have money, people of color in general, and just

991
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: are not even able to understand how to access any

992
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: kind of help. Because, let's be honest, even if the

993
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: Heidem Minute was to be dismissed, the likelihood of all

994
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: of the loopholes that each state could find. I could

995
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: just imagine Georgia and trying to access those funds will

996
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: be incredibly difficult. Let's talk about the fact that Kemp

997
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: is already holding out money that is being offered us

998
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: because he doesn't want any help from federal government and

999
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: want to blame the current administration and saying that we

1000
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: didn't get help when there's millions of dollars on the

1001
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: table that he refuses to take. So I'm already upset

1002
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: and angry about what's happening here down on their anger

1003
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: part of the other thing that's happening right now. You know,

1004
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff that we don't know because

1005
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: we're not told, and it's really massively pressing. But you know,

1006
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: throughout the country there are religiously set up fake abortion

1007
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: clinics that look like a regular clinic, advertise like a

1008
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: regular clinic, and they're not actually clinics. They're actually places

1009
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: that are designed to lure folks in and convince them

1010
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: not to have abortions, and make promises and lie to patients.

1011
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: And they're not run by doctors. There's people who literally

1012
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: were lab codes who are not doctors who will lie

1013
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: to you about abortion, lie to you about birth control,

1014
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: lie to you about primarial sex, lie to about everything.

1015
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: Just this week we found out that ten states are

1016
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: diverting TANNIS funds, that's that's welfare for those that don't know,

1017
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: welfare funds with SAM funds to fund these fake clinics,

1018
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: So taking away the help for low income families and

1019
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: putting that funds to fake clinics that are trying to

1020
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: convince people not to have abortions and have kids, while

1021
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: bullsufully telling them that there's all these government programs that

1022
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: will help them if they decide to have their kids.

1023
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: But those government programs, as they speak, are being cut

1024
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: to fund their lives. So with me to this crazy circle.

1025
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: And it's just another level of this of this game

1026
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: of oppression where if you keep poor people poor and vulnerable,

1027
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: they'll never have agencies, they'll never understand they have agency.

1028
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: And again, what survives my pain? Three arc and White

1029
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: Branda say right, right and absolutely, and it again shows

1030
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: why it is a pro birth movement. End of story.

1031
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: We actually did have someone who researched the Pregnancy Crisis

1032
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: Center come in and talk to us about what was

1033
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: happening around the country and the level, but the fact

1034
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: that they're looking like nurses or professionals, but in actuality,

1035
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: they probably just came in from the church and was

1036
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: told to be a good citizen by making these people

1037
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: have babies and not giving them an absolute choice, any

1038
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: kind of choice. But yeah, actually, as a worker for

1039
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: the government in the state of Georgia, I did not

1040
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: know what these pregnancy crisis centers were, and I really

1041
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: thought they would help give young girls a choice, and

1042
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: realizing later, oh my god, I sent them to a

1043
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: really fake and I feel horrible, like hypocritical state of like, oh,

1044
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know that the pregnancy crisis center was this. Now,

1045
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. For the people who are like,

1046
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: oh I need car seats, I was like, yeah, go there,

1047
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: but half of the times they couldn't even access that.

1048
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: It just got pamphlets about how you apply for things,

1049
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: which still was like, what is the point, yes, of

1050
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: anything that you're doing. Yeah, and also like folks need

1051
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: to understand just for for like sort of perspective on it.

1052
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: There are actually around seven eighty legitimate clinics that provide

1053
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: comprehensive care, including abortion. There is close to four thousands

1054
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: of these fake clinics, so you're and and owning the

1055
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: narrative on Google and that you know, when you Google

1056
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: looking for an abortion, oftentimes they have rigged the s

1057
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: c O, which is, you know, the algorithm to have

1058
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: them pop up first. And so when you are looking

1059
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: for your abortion and you see an add the pops

1060
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: up that says pregnant need help, free, free tests, choices, options,

1061
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna go there, and they don't advertise. And this

1062
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: is the part where where we have done our advocacy.

1063
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: We have created an entire website called Exposed by Clinics

1064
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: dot com where you can go learn about the insidious

1065
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: nature of them and how you can fight back, like

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Speaker 1: giving them bad reviews, you know, things like that where

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Speaker 1: you can really be helpful in doing that. But it's, um,

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Speaker 1: it's really scary to think that folks go there. And

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Speaker 1: the thing that what I was gonna say was they

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Speaker 1: hide the fact that that's who they are. And our

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Speaker 1: whole issue is if you are an anti abortion pregnancy

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Speaker 1: center that is trying to get people to keep their pregnancies,

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Speaker 1: then say that's who you are. Say that's who you are,

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Speaker 1: but you don't you high it from people. And the

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Speaker 1: interesting thing is a case went all the way to

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court challenging the efficacy of these fake clinics.

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Speaker 1: And here's the part that I'd like everybody to just

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Speaker 1: buckle up, because I'm about to tell you something that's

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Speaker 1: gonna make your real mad. The Supreme Court ruled that

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Speaker 1: if you're a fake clinic and you're not providing actual care, you,

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Speaker 1: under the First Amendment, get to pretend you're a doctor

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Speaker 1: as long as you're not administering medicine. Yes, Yes, rule

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Speaker 1: that it's constitutional to set up a kind of look

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Speaker 1: alike place and put on a lab coat and say

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Speaker 1: sort of some vaguely medically sounding things. You're allowed to

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Speaker 1: lie to people under the First Amendment as long as

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Speaker 1: you're not providing the care. That kiuld i forgot his name,

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Speaker 1: who posed for a doctor forever? Shouldn't he been lyrid

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Speaker 1: because he didn't technically, I feel like he should be offen.

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Speaker 1: He was federally charged. He kind of came around and

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Speaker 1: pretended like he knew things and then sit a nursing

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Speaker 1: So I don't understand. Oh lord, okay, I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: I feel when I come on too podcast that I

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Speaker 1: just like, I'm like, you know, saw on or just

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Speaker 1: like bring all the Doom. I'm just like, oh that

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Speaker 1: Liz Winston, here she comes. She's just gonna bum me. No.

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Speaker 1: But that's the thing is, like we've talked about this before,

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Speaker 1: how we need to start really embracing anger as women

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Speaker 1: and marginalized people, because this is what it looks like.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't happen until we get firing ready to go.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't happen until passion is inflamed and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is what this is about. So no, we love it.

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Speaker 1: This is what we live for, putting a fire and

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Speaker 1: someone to ask. And I also just want to remind

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Speaker 1: folks that, like, that's what I love about our organization

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Speaker 1: so much, is so often when it gets to the

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Speaker 1: point where the news is reporting on it, it's too

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Speaker 1: far down the line for us to do anything about it.

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Speaker 1: So when we follow our social media, sign up for

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Speaker 1: our mailing list, we get on it early because we're

1111
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: in constant conversation with the activists on the ground and

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. So when they're like X state is

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Speaker 1: proposing this thing, we're like on top of it immediately,

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Speaker 1: so that we can tell folks in the aisle like

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Speaker 1: shut this garbage down, like and here's how you can

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Speaker 1: do it. And so that's that's the thing that is

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Speaker 1: really I think helpful. Since the media doesn't help us,

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Speaker 1: we have to be the people who are reporting on

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Speaker 1: the media a lot. We're talking a lot. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: I've seen a few of your interviews where you kind

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Speaker 1: of talk about the fact that, especially with the last

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Speaker 1: administration in the last year, just everything being dark, it's

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Speaker 1: so dark. I think you said that you needed to

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Speaker 1: be able to shed light and talk about it and

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Speaker 1: bring it about to the world and talk about it

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Speaker 1: to everyone so we do acknowledge what's going on, don't

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01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: just move on in our pretty little lives. And we

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Speaker 1: sort of started maybe seeing some light. There's a few

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Speaker 1: things that helped. You know, Trump is out. I don't

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01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: even like saying his name. I don't want to hear

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01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: about him. I just realsh I can forget him. But

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Speaker 1: he's not gonna be forgotten, as Georgia has plainly shown

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01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: in their recent GOP conference and saying they're gonna align

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Speaker 1: behind his ideology still. But you know, we're in the

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Speaker 1: current new administration, we're starting to kind of come out

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01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: of COVID. I have now come out of my house,

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01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: uh since thingful vaccinated. Still not trusting people though, still

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01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: not trusting people, but with that and it's slowly changing,

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01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: hopefully for the better. With everything else outside of me

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01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 1: us being vacts, you know, living that VACS life. What

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01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: else seems like with everything else that seems like it's

1142
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: going to hell? Right now? What are you trying to

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01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: push forward? How are you coming out? Because I see

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01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: you're ready. You're ready, like you were ready last year

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01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: when you were like, I have to put on a show.

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01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't get what everybody else is doing. We're gonna

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01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: do a social distance in the nineteen degree weather. We're

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Speaker 1: doing it, So you're ready. I see it's coming forward.

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Speaker 1: So there's a couple of things coming forward that I'm

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01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: really excited about, and that is getting people back to events,

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01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: which is really cool. So one thing that I'm really

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01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: psyched about is on July nineteen, the original cast of

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01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: The Daily Show and met Elizbeisberg and who is my

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01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: co creator, are getting together to do a conversation around

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01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: the origins of The Daily Show, the early days, how

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01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: it came to be. It's really gonna be fun because

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01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: it's the first time we've all gotten together and we're

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01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: the only folks who really know, like those early days,

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01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: how we came up with the idea, all the pitfalls

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01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: we had doing this show with no budget, and the

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01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: scrappy correspondence who actually created help you know, the entire genre.

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01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be really fun. And it's a fundraise

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Speaker 1: of for Abortion Access Front, so I highly that'll be

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01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: on rush Ticks and that's really cool, and if you

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01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: sign up for our mailing list you'll get all the

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01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: information about that. That's gonna be really fun. We are

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01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: going out on the road to UM confront some bad

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01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: guys and that's like a secret that we can't tell

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01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: you right now, but we can tell you soon. But

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01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: the bad guys are having their annual convention of anti

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01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: abortion bad guys, and we have some really cool counter

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Speaker 1: protesting activism plans around that that's happening in June. One

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Speaker 1: of the things we wanted to do is not lump

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Speaker 1: anti abortion activists into the same brush, because they come

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Speaker 1: from different factions, they're inspired by different weird religious beliefs.

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Speaker 1: So we've created a website called Hypocrites Unmasked, where we

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Speaker 1: break up and really explain the different factions of the

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Speaker 1: anti abortion movement, their tactics, sort of where they're located,

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Speaker 1: and who their leadership are. One thing that's been really

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01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: interesting is and we're continuing to develop, so it kind

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01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 1: of falls into your category. But what's next is since

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01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: we've been on the road for all these years meeting

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01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: all these local activists, we've also heard from them who

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01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: their local anti abortion extremists are, and we created a

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Speaker 1: database of everything that everybody has told us in their findings,

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01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 1: and we have found cross connection that some anti abortion

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01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 1: activists are working together across state platforms. And in the

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01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: course of forming this database learning this information, we started

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01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: some fake secret accounts on Facebook. We've infiltrated a little

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01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: bit watching them, and when the insurrection happened in g Annuary,

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01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: we were able to identify thirty people from the anti

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Speaker 1: abortion movement in the insurrection and report them to the FBI.

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Speaker 1: So that's an ongoing secret like thing that we've got

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01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: going on. But we just also have really cool events

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01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: coming up to in the fall. We have an event

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Speaker 1: called do Re Me Too, which is the third year

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01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 1: of us doing it, where we get the most righteous

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01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: performers who sing reimagine sexist songs just to let folks know, like,

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Speaker 1: we live in a culture that defines women so profoundly

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Speaker 1: awfully in our pop culture, and often we enable it

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01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: by singing along. And it's really great. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: we have Sandra Bernhardt, we have now in from the

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Speaker 1: get Down, Stay Down, we have Amana Palmer. We've got

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Speaker 1: some really good folks who have signed up already to

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01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: be at it. We're announcing our line up in July,

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01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: so if you want to know more about that show,

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01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: that's going to be a virtual show too, so you

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01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: can watch it from anywhere. People are recording their own

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01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: music videos. It's gonna be a riot. And then we're

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01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 1: gonna just continue with our out reach for mutual aid.

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01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna be exposing fake clinics, so and we have

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01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: these exposed fake clinics events that are really fun and

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Speaker 1: talking about these fake abortion clinics that we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: There's a whole lot in the pipeline we have going on.

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01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be touring personally, um, which will be really

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Speaker 1: really fun and you know, I feel like if you

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01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: want to find out more the best thing to do

1218
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: is to sign up for our mailing list, the Abortion

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01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 1: Access Front. If you go to a a front dot

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01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: org and sign up for our mailing list, you'll get

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01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: all the updates on the cool stuff. And we don't

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01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: send out a bunch of just boring emails um that

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01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 1: don't like donate to us. We send you out emails

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01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: that give you like information, stuff to do, ways that

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01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: you can take action. They're really helpful emails that aren't

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01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: just about send us money or sign a petition. It's like,

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01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: get involved the present, join our community, because we really

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01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: want to build community through our activism. Oh that's exciting. Actually,

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01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: right before COVID, I had Caroline and I the one

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01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: from end lady like who introduced me. We're planning to

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Speaker 1: do uh some volunteer work with abortion clinics, mean es,

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Speaker 1: courts are such, and then everything shut down without nope, nope,

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Speaker 1: hiding the way. But I'm gonna have to find well,

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Speaker 1: I am already subscribed to the newsletter, duh, so I'm

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01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: definitely gonna keep up with that. Yes, and this has

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Speaker 1: been an absolute pleasure and delight. Liz, thank you so

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01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: much for having me and blatting with me. Oh, we

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01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 1: could talk forever. Yes, yes, um, and we'll definitely check

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Speaker 1: you out when you're in Atlanta. Any other things you

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01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: want to plug before we wrap up here? Where can

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01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: the listeners find you? Um, listeners can find me. I'm

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01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: on all the social platforms at Liz Winstead and I

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01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: spell my name with two z's, so you can find

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Speaker 1: me there, and you can find me just out and about,

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01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sometimes I'm MSNBC show my mug around town,

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01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: but mostly you know, just find me on all the

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01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: socials and then you'll find me on the other places

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01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: as well. But I would also say subscribe to our

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01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: YouTube channel now so that you can get informed on

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01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: our show launches, because you're not gonna want to miss

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01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: this show. It's gonna be just a weekly show full

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01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,640
Speaker 1: of just bad comedy and information and like just like

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01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: feminist talk and righteousness that you don't want to miss.

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Speaker 1: So sign up subscribe on YouTube abortion access prompt doing it? Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: definitely do that, listeners. Thanks again for being with us,

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Speaker 1: Liz Oh, thank you such a pleasure. It's been amazing. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And if you would like to find us, listeners, you

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01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: can you can email us at stuff Idea mom stuff

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01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: at I heart me dot com. You can find us

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01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,560
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Mom's a Podcast, or on Instagram and

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Speaker 1: stuff One Never Told You. Thanks, It's always sart of

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Speaker 1: super producer Christina, Thank you. Thanks to you for listening

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Speaker 1: stuff One Never Told You his production of iHeart Radio.

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