Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to The Hammer's Territory podcast is
Speaker 1: episode four one six. My name is Brad Rowland. It
Speaker 1: is a Sunday here in mid July, and I'm joined
Speaker 1: as I almost always am, by Scott Coleman. Scott, the
Speaker 1: break is over and the Braves came out of the
Speaker 1: gate with a series victory. How are you.
Speaker 2: Hello, Brad? It seems like the boys used the most
Speaker 2: of their four days away and came back rejuvenated. The
Speaker 2: offense was really good, and to take two out of
Speaker 2: three against technically in first place Texas Rangers team was
Speaker 2: what everybody was hoping for. That now won three of
Speaker 2: their last four going back to the Sunday before the break,
Speaker 2: and even the New York Mets did us a big
Speaker 2: favor over the weekend and took a series against the Phillies.
Speaker 2: So the Braves did gain a game in the East.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's you know, some good, some bad. We're
Speaker 2: gonna talk about it all on the show tonight, but overall,
Speaker 2: very much what the doctor ordered. A nice series win
Speaker 2: to begin the second half.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely right, and the vibe is better as a
Speaker 1: result of a serious victory and will waste no time
Speaker 1: now Scott, let us mix it up, engineered by our
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Speaker 1: what the biggest story is of this weekend series victory
Speaker 1: for the Braves, and that was the offense coming alive.
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, the Braves score twenty nine runs in three games,
Speaker 1: and that is a very very welcome thing to see.
Speaker 1: The underlying numbers were really really good as well. Nine
Speaker 1: home runs at ops of almost eleven hundred as a team,
Speaker 1: forty two hits. I mean, you can't expect that every time, Scott,
Speaker 1: but I really enjoyed myself watching the offense the first
Speaker 1: time in a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and not only did the offense it's come
Speaker 2: to life again twenty nine runs in three games, but
Speaker 2: they did it against some pretty good starting pitching too,
Speaker 2: you know, like Mackenzie Gore. We saw him of course
Speaker 2: with the Nationals, but Gore has been a good lefty
Speaker 2: for a while. Nathany Valdi is someone who once upon
Speaker 2: a time we talked about as a Braves offseason target
Speaker 2: and is having this nice season. And the Rangers bullpen,
Speaker 2: especially lately, has been pretty solid. So they did a
Speaker 2: nice job and to me, twenty nine runs, nine homers,
Speaker 2: is such a site for sorerise. We know this offense
Speaker 2: is at its very best when it is hitting the
Speaker 2: long ball, and it was really really encouraging. So good
Speaker 2: signs all the way around, and we'll just hope this
Speaker 2: is a sign of things to come for the next
Speaker 2: two months.
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, I didn't realize this until today.
Speaker 1: Now this includes the numbers from the weekend. The Bridge
Speaker 1: are now fifth in Major League Baseball and home runs
Speaker 1: as a team. Does that surprise you? It's more than
Speaker 1: It's more than I thought they would have, honestly.
Speaker 2: Considering they hit so few homers for an entire month
Speaker 2: in June.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean not that that's outlier for the team,
Speaker 1: like historically and what the ross walks like, but with
Speaker 1: as little as run when as played, for example, like
Speaker 1: with as bad as Austin has been until hopefully recently.
Speaker 1: We'll see how that goes later on in the podcast.
Speaker 1: But like it's been Olsen and Harris and Baldwin and
Speaker 1: that's kind of it. And they still managed to be
Speaker 1: top five in the league and all the majors in
Speaker 1: home runs, which thought was pretty interesting. But anyway, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about individual players plenty later on, including a nice
Speaker 1: weekend that was well needed for Austin Riley, to be sure,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to get this out front on the podcast.
Speaker 1: You know, there was a little bit of concern in
Speaker 1: some circles about Drake Baldwin reminder that he had this terrible,
Speaker 1: like two week stretch in June when he first got back,
Speaker 1: when he went one for thirty eight and had like
Speaker 1: twenty strikeouts, and it was a kind of disastrous, right.
Speaker 1: We were never worry but it was like every day
Speaker 1: it's like, man, this is what's going to end. And
Speaker 1: then it ended. Honestly, it ended to kind of start
Speaker 1: the month of July. But I don't know if you'd
Speaker 1: noticed this weekend, Scott. There were signs before that he
Speaker 1: went pretty nuclear over the last few days to the
Speaker 1: point where I think we can pretty m assume that
Speaker 1: he's back at this stage absolutely.
Speaker 2: And you know, I noticed on Friday night in particular,
Speaker 2: Drake's exit velocities were superb across the board. I think
Speaker 2: he put five balls in play in all of them
Speaker 2: were ninety nine miles an hour or harder. And that's
Speaker 2: generally a sign that a struggling player is coming out
Speaker 2: of it. So really good signs from Drake. Had the
Speaker 2: two homers on Sunday and just such a complete hit
Speaker 2: or two, you know, like when he's going right, he
Speaker 2: uses the entire field, he gets for power, he gets
Speaker 2: on base. Also hasn't struck out now in like thirty
Speaker 2: five played appearances, which is obviously encouraging, because we did
Speaker 2: see Drake strike out quite a bit when he was
Speaker 2: really struggling. That is not really who Drake Baldwin has
Speaker 2: been in the majors, but just a I mean, in
Speaker 2: some ways his performance on Sunday was historic because he
Speaker 2: did things five hits as a catcher, two home runs.
Speaker 2: I think the great Sarah Langs had a note that
Speaker 2: since nineteen hundred, only like twenty five catchers have done
Speaker 2: something like that, and very clearly this was a game
Speaker 2: ch changing performance from Drake Baldwin.
Speaker 1: If you needed a little bit of a reminder, if
Speaker 1: you were maybe tapped out or doing World Cup stuff
Speaker 1: for traveling, I get it. Maybe you were like, hey,
Speaker 1: Drake's maybe still struggling. No, that's that's long over, which
Speaker 1: is the reason we're talking about this. He has an
Speaker 1: ops over twelve hundred over the last two weeks or
Speaker 1: so it's been full full star turn once again for
Speaker 1: Drake and for the season, even when you include that
Speaker 1: downturn in June, he has eighteen homers a one thirty
Speaker 1: two diversity, plus an ops of eight forty three. And
Speaker 1: again he's doing that all as a catcher. And if
Speaker 1: you're doing that as a catcher, you are a full
Speaker 1: blown star. That's there's not really any way around that.
Speaker 1: Maybe you aren't like twenty twenty five cal Rawley MVP level,
Speaker 1: but short of that, like you're pretty much a top
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen MVP guy in the National League if
Speaker 1: you're going to do this, And that's kind of where
Speaker 1: Dreik should be living at this point, especially if he
Speaker 1: stays healthy the rest of the way, like he's going
Speaker 1: to get some MVP votes. He won't win it obviously
Speaker 1: with these numbers, but I think he is a catcher.
Speaker 1: It cannot be understated or overstated. I should say how
Speaker 1: impressed that is for that position. I know dang sometimes,
Speaker 1: but still he's still a primary catcher. Doing this is
Speaker 1: pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: He really does just transform the top of this whole lineup,
Speaker 2: and then you start to think about you're gonna get
Speaker 2: Ronald Acuna junior back at some point soon, and you're
Speaker 2: we'll see what if if Sunday is a sign of
Speaker 2: things to come for Austin Riley, who had two homers
Speaker 2: and probably his best day of the entire season on Sunday,
Speaker 2: If Riley's going to start hitting, Matt Olsen has been
Speaker 2: so good, Michael Harris continues to be a ridiculously good player,
Speaker 2: So you can see a way where in the second half,
Speaker 2: even though the offense was pretty Jekyll and Hyde in
Speaker 2: the early parts of the season, this is hopefully a
Speaker 2: lineup that's going to be able to carry them and
Speaker 2: kind of cover up some of the shortcomings they have,
Speaker 2: especially in the rotation, because, as we'll talk about a
Speaker 2: little later in the show, Chris Sale is great, and
Speaker 2: other than Chris Sale days, you kind of close your
Speaker 2: eyes and say a prayer and hope it's all going
Speaker 2: to work out.
Speaker 1: It was a very on brand weekend for the way
Speaker 1: the Braves are basically having to win games right now,
Speaker 1: which is Chris Sale was perfect, The offense was really good,
Speaker 1: and everything else in between was kind of messy. I mean,
Speaker 1: the bullpit's not a problem at this point. It's obviously
Speaker 1: quite good and we'll see what Robert Swaraz returns. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was maybe the use case, you could say, affirmative
Speaker 1: case for how the Raves can still win with this
Speaker 1: current setup. But also, you don't what things goes about
Speaker 1: saying you're not going to score nine plus runs per
Speaker 1: game all the time, no matter who you are, So
Speaker 1: you got to pitch a little bit better at some point.
Speaker 1: But hey, look, we'll probably will on this later and
Speaker 1: get frustrated about it. They could have swept this weekend,
Speaker 1: like pretty easily. Probably should have.
Speaker 2: Swept this weekend, probably should have. Yeah, and Saturday's game
Speaker 2: is frustrating. We'll talk about it here in a minute.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know what I guess if you want
Speaker 2: to be glass half full, it's hey, you had a
Speaker 2: real chance to sweep a again kind of first place
Speaker 2: team in the American League, even if that doesn't say
Speaker 2: a ton, But the Rangers aren't a bad team. They've
Speaker 2: got some dudes in that lineup, and they've got some
Speaker 2: talent at the top of their rotation. So yeah, if
Speaker 2: you want to be greedy, yes, the sweep would have
Speaker 2: been great. Well, they should have probably won on Saturday,
Speaker 2: especially with the early leads that they had but to
Speaker 2: take two out of three. I think you have to
Speaker 2: take it, and hopefully they can keep it rolling at
Speaker 2: home over the next four nights against the Padres, who
Speaker 2: are a team that's really come on hard times in
Speaker 2: the last couple of months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, beat a competent team, not a great team this weekend.
Speaker 1: No one's say they're great, but a competent and not
Speaker 1: terrible team. And you almost swept them. And that's a
Speaker 1: pretty good sign. So we've our teased it once. We'll
Speaker 1: do it again right now. We'll talk plenty about the
Speaker 1: rest of the weekend. We'll talk about the pending return
Speaker 1: of someone like I don't know ronic you and Junior.
Speaker 1: He's pretty important, the latest trade wins. All that and
Speaker 1: more is coming up in a second, But first one,
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Speaker 1: the weekend a little bit in more depth than our
Speaker 1: broad first segment would have. Friday's game was so much fun.
Speaker 1: You know, that's very simple. But when you win fifteen
Speaker 1: to one, there isn't all that much to say other
Speaker 1: than it was so much fun. We'll get into it
Speaker 1: in more detail than that, but kind of been a
Speaker 1: lot of like rocking chair wins in recent vintage for
Speaker 1: this Braves team. And for like two plus hours, it
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this game is over. They're going to
Speaker 1: win it, win it by a lot, and that's always fun.
Speaker 2: It was, and it ultimately led to maybe one of
Speaker 2: the greatest moments of the season with Victor Madero's just
Speaker 2: launching a baseball one hundred and five miles an hour
Speaker 2: off the bat. It was a non pitcher, it was
Speaker 2: a position player who was out there, but really great
Speaker 2: moment for Victor Madero's And yeah, you said it. The offense,
Speaker 2: And not only was the offense great, but the offense
Speaker 2: took advantage of its early opportunities. They scored a couple
Speaker 2: of runs in the first and second, they put two
Speaker 2: runners on, and it was like, Okay, this is a
Speaker 2: game behind Chris Sale, you want to slam the door
Speaker 2: early and don't give the Rangers any kind of chance,
Speaker 2: and blowout wins are so valuable. They didn't have to
Speaker 2: pitch anybody out of the bullpen. Drake Baldwin homeward, which
Speaker 2: was a great sign of things to come. Matt Olsen,
Speaker 2: homerd Austin Reiley, even Homard again off a position player,
Speaker 2: but maybe that kind of is the leaping off point.
Speaker 2: But yeah, really fun, enjoyable game on Friday night, and
Speaker 2: just you can probably count on one hand the number
Speaker 2: of easy, no drama wins this team has had since
Speaker 2: the start of June.
Speaker 1: There's a chance people might have tapped out before the
Speaker 1: Maderos situation. So let's explain that real quick, because it's
Speaker 1: not often in the universal dh era that a pitcher
Speaker 1: actually goes to the plate. The picture madeos. You might
Speaker 1: even know who that is if you're not a die hard.
Speaker 1: He is a reliever for the Braves right now, and
Speaker 1: this is crazy. It's the first base hit by a
Speaker 1: non Showho Tani pitcher in baseball since the end of
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one season. Because pitchers don't bat anymore,
Speaker 1: there's exceptions, and like, without explaining this, crazily, position player
Speaker 1: pitchers sometimes stay in bat and they get hits, but
Speaker 1: like an actual pitcher who is man Otani getting a
Speaker 1: hit has not happened for four and a half years,
Speaker 1: and it's a Braves reliever that happened to do it
Speaker 1: right after he came up with the Braves. It's because
Speaker 1: basically walt took Matt Olsen out because he never gets
Speaker 1: to sit out, so he got to sit for a while.
Speaker 1: It put Donald Smith at first, and suddenly Madaros is, yeah,
Speaker 1: facing a pitch player, but who cares. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if he saw like Waltz quotes, he was like,
Speaker 1: I'll let you swing, just don't get hurt. Basically, it
Speaker 1: was like, we don't get hurt. You're allowed to swing.
Speaker 1: And it was a toier point. It was a rocket man.
Speaker 1: It was like a real nice wing. It's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you know Madero's obviously a reliever,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure as most guys do you know, they're
Speaker 2: two way players. Yes, exactly, And he looked like he
Speaker 2: knew what he was doing up there. In great moment,
Speaker 2: the dugout went crazy. I'm sure that the bullpen was
Speaker 2: going nuts in right field. I mean, just a really
Speaker 2: cool moment for Maderos and a guy who's thrown the
Speaker 2: ball well when he's gotten his name called covered. The
Speaker 2: final two winnings on Friday night gave up one run,
Speaker 2: but it was very much garbage time by that point.
Speaker 2: But you know, I trust Madero's and he's a player
Speaker 2: who has kind of made the most of its opportunity
Speaker 2: in the last couple of weeks when he's been able
Speaker 2: to go into a game, and if he keeps throwing
Speaker 2: the ball like that, then I think he has a
Speaker 2: way to carve out kind of a nice little spot
Speaker 2: for him in the middle of the bullpen, especially his
Speaker 2: guys like Tyler Kinley have come on pretty hard times
Speaker 2: the last few weeks.
Speaker 1: For sure. It was the second most runs scored by
Speaker 1: the Braves in a game this season at fifteen. You know,
Speaker 1: we shout lot Chris Sau earlier. It's almost like running
Speaker 1: it back like we always do. But it's worth just
Speaker 1: noting how absurd Grissel was in this game. He didn't
Speaker 1: need to be because they won by a million runs.
Speaker 1: But he had seven innings, two hits, no walks, and
Speaker 1: struck out six, allowed no runs and was absolutely dominating
Speaker 1: like there was no one even coming close to him
Speaker 1: in that outing on Friday. Not surprising, but his era
Speaker 1: is two point zero six for the season. And the
Speaker 1: crazy note that I have to get in here is
Speaker 1: that he became the first Brave starter to throw at
Speaker 1: least seven innings in a start in two full months.
Speaker 1: Seven innings not like mine.
Speaker 2: Innings.
Speaker 1: Seven innings not great. And by the way, the last
Speaker 1: one was himself, so he matched himself on that one,
Speaker 1: and he could have gone longer, like I think he
Speaker 1: had like eighty seven pitches, eight to nine pitches. He
Speaker 1: probably would have gone into the eighth of game mattered
Speaker 1: at all. At that point it was over. But I mean,
Speaker 1: the k was really helpful, especially because we didn't know
Speaker 1: the rest of the weekend was gonna be what it was.
Speaker 1: But the bull come is very well taxed on Saturday
Speaker 1: and Sunday, so getting an easy, breezy one on Friday
Speaker 1: was very helpful. And Sale was just he's so good man.
Speaker 1: I know, I saw you sharing stats about him this weekend,
Speaker 1: like it's kind of boring, but in the best. Let's
Speaker 1: not take this for granted. I don't want to take
Speaker 1: it for granted because he's been so preposterous since the
Speaker 1: moment he arrived.
Speaker 2: So in four hundred and eight innings now with the
Speaker 2: Atlanta Braves, since that trade, Chris Sale has a two
Speaker 2: point three six ERA, a two point four to three
Speaker 2: FIP and this is just maybe the most impressive part.
Speaker 2: A thirty one point three percent strikeout rate and a
Speaker 2: five point nine walk rate, good dude, is incredible. Yes,
Speaker 2: he is the fourth highest war in baseball in that span.
Speaker 2: And we know that sale missed a couple of months
Speaker 2: last year and the Braves have always given him extra rest.
Speaker 2: Just so good. I wake up in the morning on
Speaker 2: Chris sale days and say thank God because you know
Speaker 2: he's going to give the team a chance to win.
Speaker 2: That's a ridiculous stat I mean, it's it's a problematic
Speaker 2: at that it's the first time in two months a
Speaker 2: Brave starter covered seven innings. That's your real problem because
Speaker 2: that has kind of layers to it with the way
Speaker 2: it's going to impact the bullpen as well. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: Chris Sale Man, keep him healthy, keep him firing. He
Speaker 2: looked uber fresh. Maybe the you know, he only threw
Speaker 2: three innings against Saint Louis before the break, so he
Speaker 2: really hasn't thrown a lot of innings recently, which is
Speaker 2: so good. Absolutely diced up the Rangers lineup, but really
Speaker 2: had no chance against him, and I.
Speaker 1: Liked getting him out there right away. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: there was a school of thought to like protect him
Speaker 1: and it hasn't worked larger for the Braves, but having
Speaker 1: him pitch the first game after the break, when he
Speaker 1: was fresh, give yourself a chance to have him pitch
Speaker 1: as much as possible. You're in the middle of the
Speaker 1: playoff race. Get him out there. He was awesome, And
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of wasted it because they didn't
Speaker 1: need any runs, any any reprevention in that game because
Speaker 1: they scored so many runs. But it was still helpful
Speaker 1: to have Chris Sale dominating on Friday. We teased out
Speaker 1: this Saturday game was pretty baddening. The Braves led four
Speaker 1: to one and five to three, ended up losing seven
Speaker 1: to six in the end. You and I exchanged texts
Speaker 1: today during the game about how it felt like it
Speaker 1: might be a replay of Saturday. Fortunately that did not happen.
Speaker 1: The Braves were able to win today in a way
Speaker 1: that was kind of scary compared to the previous day.
Speaker 1: But you know, we could talk about Owen Murphy, who
Speaker 1: who made his first major week start, But what stood
Speaker 1: out to you from the what was definitely a frustrating
Speaker 1: loss on Saturday.
Speaker 2: So it's become a bit of a trend that the
Speaker 2: Braves have really struggled in one run games. So since
Speaker 2: June first, the Braves are three and nine in one
Speaker 2: run games, and that is obviously frustrating because those are
Speaker 2: the fifty to fifty games and you would like to
Speaker 2: think that good teams find ways to win those games.
Speaker 2: So just something to keep an eye on. You would
Speaker 2: like to see that correct itself. And you know, there's
Speaker 2: probably a deep philosophical conversation about one run games and
Speaker 2: is it luck? Is it baseball being baseball? Is it skill?
Speaker 2: Is it the talent of a team? I don't know.
Speaker 2: We could save that for yes all those yes is
Speaker 2: the answer all the above. Maybe we'll save that for
Speaker 2: January when there's a lockout. We're looking for segments to
Speaker 2: talk about. But Owen Murphy, I think there's a lot
Speaker 2: to dream on with Owen Murphy. I don't think he's
Speaker 2: ready to get big league hitters out multiple times at
Speaker 2: this point. The defense did not do him any favors.
Speaker 2: There was an egregious error by Dubon and Michael Harris
Speaker 2: where they ran into each other in the outfield, but
Speaker 2: even after the air, he gave up a ton of
Speaker 2: hard contact. It wasn't like three runs came into score
Speaker 2: on that run on that era alone, But psychologically maybe
Speaker 2: it threw Owen off a little bit. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. What do you think about Owen Murphy now
Speaker 2: that we've seen him out of the bullpen a couple
Speaker 2: times and now he's made his first big league start.
Speaker 1: I generally agree with you. I think that he's talented,
Speaker 1: for sure. I understood, I understand and understood giving him
Speaker 1: that start. I think it made total process since given
Speaker 1: what they don't have available, they're clearly searching for some answers. Look,
Speaker 1: I think we would have probably said something similar about
Speaker 1: Strollenbach when he came up to say, hey, we don't
Speaker 1: know what about this, like this is obviously the moving
Speaker 1: fast and that one worked out great for every Schwrollingboch,
Speaker 1: though you're probably gonna miss on three or four of these.
Speaker 1: You know, people forget this now maybe or may maybe
Speaker 1: I try to the diy or Fuenttes situation last year,
Speaker 1: got a lot of heat from a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and of course now he's back and been a dominant
Speaker 1: reliever this season. Gie Richie's not quite ready, as we've
Speaker 1: probably seen a few times so nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 1: It's not either right off about o' murphy. Wo's twenty
Speaker 1: two years old, like it's that's totally normal. But I'm
Speaker 1: also with you that I don't think he is quite
Speaker 1: ready to be a starter right now. I get that
Speaker 1: if he takes about the ball again in the next
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, I'll understand it. We'll talk about later.
Speaker 1: But it seems like number when he was already optioned
Speaker 1: back to when A immediately. And also it seems like
Speaker 1: he was only gonna go once from what they've been
Speaker 1: kind of messaging behind the scenes. Unless he blew everybody away,
Speaker 1: it was probably gonna be a one start thing. But well, can't.
Speaker 1: He doesn't pitched that much. He's twenty two and like
Speaker 1: first round pick, so it wasn't like he's coming out
Speaker 1: he's coming out of nowhere. But he was a high
Speaker 1: school kid, and I think that it's totally fine that
Speaker 1: he's not ready, would be what I would say.
Speaker 2: Even though he is not ready, he's not and that's
Speaker 2: not Owen Murphy's fault. He's only made sixteen starts above
Speaker 2: high A ball in the minor leagues, only sixteen starts
Speaker 2: between Double A and triple A this year, all of
Speaker 2: like sixty innings, and you know, we had elbow surgery
Speaker 2: a few years ago, so he's kind of, I don't
Speaker 2: want to say behind schedule, but you know, he's not
Speaker 2: had a linear progression from being drafted to the majors.
Speaker 2: So for me, maybe Murphy could give you something out
Speaker 2: of the Bullpen if you really need him late in
Speaker 2: the year, if you're looking for a live arm. But
Speaker 2: for me, I'd like to see Owen Murphy get the
Speaker 2: final two months in Gwinnett, learn to really continue attacking hitters,
Speaker 2: refine your command. That fastball is really good. But I
Speaker 2: do think he's going to need to really work on
Speaker 2: his secondary offerings if he's going to be, you know,
Speaker 2: a middle rotation starter, which I think is what his
Speaker 2: upside could be. But yeah, it just it did not
Speaker 2: go super well, and it was frustrating because the Braves
Speaker 2: did get Murphy and the bullpen a big lead multiple
Speaker 2: times and they weren't able to hold it down.
Speaker 1: We could see it again, like I will leave this here,
Speaker 1: but I think we could see Murphy again, maybe not
Speaker 1: desperation is too strong. Maybe out of some urgency they
Speaker 1: might call him back up in a month if they
Speaker 1: haven't added the way we want him to add, that
Speaker 1: would be frustrating. But actually the scenario when it's September
Speaker 1: tenth and like all right, oh, Murphy's gonna happen to
Speaker 1: start to see what they have. Maybe it'll be using
Speaker 1: the playoffs, that's fine, But right now I think he
Speaker 1: should being one and we'll see. The bullpen did him
Speaker 1: no favors. You know, it was a really really rough
Speaker 1: taber Kinley outing. I think he got one out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got one out. I think he faced five batters,
Speaker 1: got one out. That's not what you want give. I
Speaker 1: think he was credited with three earned runs and he
Speaker 1: earned them. He was not good. And then even Dylan Lee,
Speaker 1: who has been incredible this season, kind of got babboped
Speaker 1: like a bunch of like weird singles. Like Lee was fine,
Speaker 1: it just got he got unlucky. Kinley got hit hard.
Speaker 1: So that was concerning, and that he was the one
Speaker 1: that actually gave the lead up when they were in
Speaker 1: control of it.
Speaker 2: So Tyler Kinley is boy. He has kind of broken
Speaker 2: the bridge of trust with wall Weiss. Crazy stat here.
Speaker 2: Tyler Kinley has been totally fine against right handed pitching
Speaker 2: in all honesty, he's been really good again or right
Speaker 2: handed hitters, I should say, in all honesty, Kiley's been
Speaker 2: good against righty's, but against lefties. Get this, Kinley has
Speaker 2: faced seventy three left handed batters this year. He has
Speaker 2: given up seven home runs against seventy three left handed
Speaker 2: batters faced. That is nearly a ten percent home run rate.
Speaker 2: Extrapolate that out. A player who plays every day in baseball,
Speaker 2: like Matt Olsen, is going to end the year with
Speaker 2: about seven hundred played appearances. Ten percent of seven hundred
Speaker 2: is seventy home runs. So when Tyler Kinley faces a
Speaker 2: left handed hitter, he's giving up homers at a rate
Speaker 2: of a seventy home run a year. Guy. Obviously, that's
Speaker 2: not going to be good. I think, I mean, Kiley
Speaker 2: makes real money, He's a veteran. He's been good at
Speaker 2: times for this team. But I think Wall really needs
Speaker 2: to prioritize like not only facing righty's, but when he
Speaker 2: set to face three writings that you know are not
Speaker 2: going to be pinched hit for, like not coming out
Speaker 2: of the game because against left he did. Has been
Speaker 2: a disaster for Kinley, and once again he was kind
Speaker 2: of the culprit for things melting down on Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's well said. I don't think he's like unusable.
Speaker 1: I saw that being thrown around. It's part of the
Speaker 1: frustration of a blown lead. And I don't think he's unusable,
Speaker 1: but I think it is he is down in the
Speaker 1: pecking order now with guys you want to use in
Speaker 1: certain spots, and maybe some more targeted usage might be
Speaker 1: in order for Tyler Kinley at this stage. The last
Speaker 1: thing we wanted to make sure we got to about
Speaker 1: Saturday is that Jim Jarvis started on Saturday. Now that
Speaker 1: might not seem out of the ordinary because he's been
Speaker 1: playing a lot, but that was against a left handed
Speaker 1: starting pitcher. When he came up. The messaging to the
Speaker 1: beat guys from Walt, from everybody was like, Hey, he'll
Speaker 1: probably face a bunch of righties. That'll be fine, give it,
Speaker 1: give him a jolt him starting as the left. He
Speaker 1: was a oh okay, And I had no problem with
Speaker 1: it because he's been useful, solid good. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much of it I believe, but I just thought
Speaker 1: that was a pretty clear sign of affirmation on Jim
Speaker 1: Jarvis to at least let him go until he can't
Speaker 1: go anymore at the stage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, three starts for Jim Jarvis, and it's hard
Speaker 2: to fault well Weiss for starting Jarvis every game, whether
Speaker 2: it's a righty or lefty. He has a one oh
Speaker 2: five WRC plus and forty five plaint appearances. I'm laughing
Speaker 2: at your note here in the document you compared him
Speaker 2: to a young Alex Rodriguez compared to what they have
Speaker 2: gotten at shortstop between Kim is what I said.
Speaker 1: Listen, uh, Jim Jarvis, I think people as usual with
Speaker 1: any Braves role player that has a good two weeks,
Speaker 1: give a go crazy, like remember the Juree material files
Speaker 1: like a month ago when he was supposed to be
Speaker 1: like the Savior and that didn't actually stay. But hey,
Speaker 1: for a while, it helped Dom Smith in April for
Speaker 1: a while, it helped write it. I'm fine writing it.
Speaker 1: I'm laughing about the A Rod comp because one of
Speaker 1: our WAC plus is not something terribly special, but boy
Speaker 1: would I take that and run with it? Give me
Speaker 1: that all day long?
Speaker 2: Signon and not only offensively is he given the team something,
Speaker 2: but defensively, Jim Jarvis has been really really strong. He
Speaker 2: did babble a ball on Sunday, but he kind of
Speaker 2: made up for it by doing a fantastic job. He
Speaker 2: basically saved a run on a stolen base attempt. Jarvis
Speaker 2: kind of deeked old friend Nicky Lopez was trying to
Speaker 2: steal second. Lopez instead of just kind of seeing where
Speaker 2: the ball was, slid headfirst into the base. Other old friend,
Speaker 2: Jock Peterson hit the ball into the gap. If Nicky
Speaker 2: Lopez doesn't slide, he very easily would have scored on this.
Speaker 2: So credit to Jarvis. Seems like he's just kind of
Speaker 2: a good toolsy and tangibles, you know, knows how to
Speaker 2: play shortstop. Yeah, please do keep running him out there
Speaker 2: against no matter who is on the mound that night,
Speaker 2: because I've seen just about all I need to see
Speaker 2: out of Jorge Manteo, who, like you said, had the
Speaker 2: great Lisanity run for a couple of weeks, but since
Speaker 2: then it's been very, very bad.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's okay. We'll take anything we can get in
Speaker 1: right now. The best option is Jim Jarvis evening as
Speaker 1: lefty as we saw on Saturday. All right, Scott, still
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Speaker 1: Scott. It's fair to say that Sunday's results for the
Speaker 1: Braves do tend to impact the vibe of this podcast.
Speaker 1: Whether they should or not, whether we let it where
Speaker 1: we let it or not, it just it just happens.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: If they had lost today and lost the series, it
Speaker 1: would have been a different podcast. But here we are.
Speaker 1: They won on Sunday eight to five, And as much
Speaker 1: as I'm a little bit afraid to talk about this,
Speaker 1: I think we have to start with Austin Riley. I
Speaker 1: think we have to Yeah, baby, So this is good news,
Speaker 1: unequivocally good news. Austin Riley had two home runs today
Speaker 1: off of a real starter in Nathan Ebaldi, and then
Speaker 1: he also had a crucial two run single later in
Speaker 1: the game. Look, we've talked about Austin plenty. I don't
Speaker 1: want to rehash all the strong I'm just simply noting
Speaker 1: that he has been quite bad this season until literally
Speaker 1: this weekend. And I saw some people talking about how
Speaker 1: he was better for the break. He was not better
Speaker 1: before the break. He had a fifty three to Arciplus
Speaker 1: in the one hundred and four played appearances over the
Speaker 1: month before the break, so there have been little bits
Speaker 1: and bobs of stuff, but like he's not been any better.
Speaker 1: But hey, he had a really good weekend with three
Speaker 1: home runs. I've look at this today. He raises ops
Speaker 1: forty points today in one game. Now, granted, two home
Speaker 1: runs will do that, But does this mean anything to
Speaker 1: you or are we just like gonna hold our breath
Speaker 1: and hope that it's going to be something. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of on that side of things. This is as a spoiler,
Speaker 1: but what do you think.
Speaker 2: I want to believe? I really do, and I sincerely
Speaker 2: hope this is the start of a Austin Riley just
Speaker 2: set in the world on fire for the next two
Speaker 2: and a half months and then deep into October, really
Speaker 2: good signs. And the first homer off Nathany Evaldi was
Speaker 2: on a hanging curve that Austin did not miss launch
Speaker 2: the ball. It was to the second deck, down the
Speaker 2: left field line. You don't see many balls get hit
Speaker 2: up there. But then the second homer was on a
Speaker 2: ninety five mile an hour fastball, which was really encouraging
Speaker 2: as well to dead center field. It was just a
Speaker 2: laser beam over the wall in center, and then he
Speaker 2: also had basically the game clinching two run hit, and
Speaker 2: I think it was the eighth inning when the Braves
Speaker 2: kind of put an exclamation point on the game. You know,
Speaker 2: at this point, I think it's fair to have your
Speaker 2: guard up with Austin until he does it for weeks
Speaker 2: on end. I don't blame anybody for being skeptical, but
Speaker 2: I mean, very clearly, this was his best game of
Speaker 2: the season, really encouraging signs. He looked pretty good on
Speaker 2: Friday and Saturday as well. Maybe the break gave him
Speaker 2: a chance to just hit the reset button, but we'll
Speaker 2: take it. And if there is one player who was
Speaker 2: not performing for this team in the first half that
Speaker 2: could give the Braves a big boost, it's Austin Riley.
Speaker 2: Let's just cross our fingers and hope, even if it's
Speaker 2: just one game, we'll continue to hope and hold out
Speaker 2: hope that this is going to work.
Speaker 1: I also would like to hope. I don't take any
Speaker 1: joy in like pouring a little cold water. I guess
Speaker 1: just I feel like I have to, just because the
Speaker 1: numbers point that way. I will say, even when he
Speaker 1: wasn't really the rules when the results were not great
Speaker 1: before the break. There have been little things of like
Speaker 1: he's hitting the ball harder at times, like lots of
Speaker 1: like one hundred and five exit velocities, and like things
Speaker 1: that do matter under the hood. And there's a second
Speaker 1: of our audists, I know, like glaze over. We talk
Speaker 1: about hard hit balls and ex velocity and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: but it does matter. It's process stuff that matters. His
Speaker 1: bat speed has been up to where you want it
Speaker 1: to be in recent days. Maybe he's better physically after
Speaker 1: four or five days off. That's that's just a total guess.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but there's some stuff there if
Speaker 1: you want to find it. And the thing is, it's
Speaker 1: not a secret. This offense is capable of being good
Speaker 1: with Austin Rabby not being good. We've seen that this
Speaker 1: year their top whatever they are in offense with him
Speaker 1: not being very good. But for them to be their
Speaker 1: best self, like he has to be better than this.
Speaker 1: I mean even in you've even seen it in national
Speaker 1: stuff recently where it's like it's kind of a more
Speaker 1: of a side mention, but it's like, hey, the offense
Speaker 1: is doing this except for Austin r I was doing
Speaker 1: this and it's because Austin I was a famous player
Speaker 1: who's on a big contract and if he's not a
Speaker 1: great player or with a good player, it does limit
Speaker 1: what they can do. So somebody was it was a
Speaker 1: whole discussion. I'm not sure if you're part of this
Speaker 1: or not Scott over the weekend before his two home
Speaker 1: run game today about like what the Braves do with
Speaker 1: Austin Riley, like contractually in the future and stuff, And
Speaker 1: unfortunately the only answer is like, you can't do anything.
Speaker 1: You just have to hope that he's better, because if
Speaker 1: he's not better, you can't trade him and you can't DFA.
Speaker 1: So it's just like, hey, Austin, gotta hope you're better.
Speaker 1: That's basically the entire sentiment with the Braves. And he
Speaker 1: shows h stuff this weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, you, unless Austin
Speaker 2: really turns it around, you have no chance of trading him,
Speaker 2: giving his contract. He's, you know, approaching his thirties, which
Speaker 2: is generally when you see decline in players with his
Speaker 2: power first profile. So yeah, it is very much just
Speaker 2: hold on for dear life and hope that Austin can hit.
Speaker 2: And you know what, even if Austin for the next
Speaker 2: two and a half months doesn't give us his prime
Speaker 2: a one self be where he was one of the
Speaker 2: better hitters in the National League, even average production from
Speaker 2: Austin Riley would be huge for the middle of this lineup.
Speaker 2: You know, hit for some power, drawn occasional walk hit
Speaker 2: when you have runners in front of you on base,
Speaker 2: Like sure, if Austin wants to be a superstar the
Speaker 2: rest away, that would be a massive development for the
Speaker 2: Braves and their hopes and prayers of going deep into
Speaker 2: October and winning the division and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2: But even just an average Austin Riley would make a
Speaker 2: big difference for the middle of this lineup.
Speaker 1: Huge, And we will definitely save the future stuff for
Speaker 1: the future because we're in the middle of the season
Speaker 1: and all the focuses on twenty twenty six, but him
Speaker 1: just showing something would be big for beyond twenty twenty six,
Speaker 1: like having some sort of idea what you're gonna get
Speaker 1: from third base in twenty seven and twenty eight for
Speaker 1: a long time in our contract. Yeah, it's one weekend,
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2: No, I was gonna say it. It's kind of like
Speaker 2: Michael Harris this time a year ago where Mike was
Speaker 2: impossibly bad in the first half and then he got
Speaker 2: red hot for about a month and rode that. There
Speaker 2: were some ups and downs for for Michael Harris last year,
Speaker 2: and of course he's been so good this year. I think,
Speaker 2: even though it's been two years since Austin was his
Speaker 2: a oneself, I think you just have to hope, like again,
Speaker 2: there's no trading him in his current state, and the
Speaker 2: Braves are better when Austin Riley is going better and
Speaker 2: doing what we know he can do, and let's just
Speaker 2: hope again one more time. We're not anointing Austin Riley back.
Speaker 2: We're also not trying to poo poo a phenomenal day
Speaker 2: for him on Sunday, But one game a big step
Speaker 2: in the right direction. Now it's just a matter of
Speaker 2: continuing to take steps in the right direction and not
Speaker 2: be kind of one step forward one and a half
Speaker 2: steps back, which has been a lot of Austin's twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six.
Speaker 1: He won them the game today. I made it. They
Speaker 1: won my three runs. He was responsible for more than that.
Speaker 1: He was vital in them winning a baseball game today.
Speaker 1: That's a great start and an important factor in the
Speaker 1: playoff for race and all that fun stuff. The Braves
Speaker 1: were up for nothing and control this game. Grant Holmes
Speaker 1: had a very great Holmes outing and extremely great Holmes
Speaker 1: outing in all of the ways. You might think he
Speaker 1: was effective through four, got through a fifth inning, but
Speaker 1: in the fifth allowed three runs. Look, this is very
Speaker 1: very reductive, and I don't mean it to be this simple,
Speaker 1: because it's not. If you told me every time Grant
Speaker 1: Holmes pitches he would throw exactly five innings and allow
Speaker 1: exactly three runs, I would take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: That's not good, by the way, That's not what you
Speaker 1: want out of a starter. But like, given where the
Speaker 1: Braves are, this exact outing is like a C plus.
Speaker 1: Like I'll just take it and move on. It's everything
Speaker 1: that we know with Grant though, Like he got a
Speaker 1: couple double plays that were helpful, but he just second time,
Speaker 1: third time with the order is just not the same guy,
Speaker 1: rids repeat. It's always the same thing. Sorry, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be short about it, but every really
Speaker 1: is it's literally always the same. I don't know it is.
Speaker 2: It's it's who Grant Holmes is, and he's in the rotation.
Speaker 2: We would love Grant to be able to go to
Speaker 2: the bullpen. Maybe they can do that in a few
Speaker 2: weeks if they make some additions. But I mean, this
Speaker 2: was very much a Grant home start. I think we
Speaker 2: could probably recorded a two minute segment on Grant Holmes
Speaker 2: and just copy and paste it into most of his
Speaker 2: starts when we talk about it on the pod, because
Speaker 2: they're generally pretty similar. A lot of base runners, a
Speaker 2: lot of contact today. The strikeouts were not there, which
Speaker 2: is a cause for concern. Did get out of a
Speaker 2: couple of jams with those double plays, but I mean
Speaker 2: the fifth inning was the third time through the order.
Speaker 2: He only gave up three runs, and I was like
Speaker 2: literally pacing in my living room, like, oh boy, all right,
Speaker 2: keep it close. The offense has been good. It is
Speaker 2: who Grant Holmes is. He's a number five starter and
Speaker 2: on the days you can get a win, Thank goodness.
Speaker 2: The offense really came to life late once Holmes kind
Speaker 2: of made it interesting again. And it's just again, man,
Speaker 2: it's who Grant Holmes is. In the year twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: The offense won this game.
Speaker 1: I mentioned obviously Riley, but Riley and Baldwin. They combined
Speaker 1: for four home runs and Austin had a two run
Speaker 1: single beyond that, so I think six of the eight
Speaker 1: runs were directly off the bat of Riley and Baldwin.
Speaker 1: It was kind of a two man show today. That's
Speaker 1: more than enough. They got the win. The bullpen held on.
Speaker 1: Oh one quick thing we didn't talk about on the doc.
Speaker 1: I saw lots of consternation about the use of Rice
Speaker 1: of Iglacias today up four in the ninth. Did you
Speaker 1: have an opinion on that?
Speaker 2: I hope we don't need him on Monday night because
Speaker 2: he's probably going to be down because he's pitched.
Speaker 1: That was the reason why I came up, was because
Speaker 1: people were like, well, now he's out for tomorrow. And
Speaker 1: I get it. I in the moment was not throwing things.
Speaker 1: If they have been up six and he came in,
Speaker 1: I would have been like, all right, that's that's that's insane.
Speaker 1: What are we doing here?
Speaker 2: Four?
Speaker 1: It's like right on the line, I get it.
Speaker 2: And who would have come in? I mean, Tyler Kinley,
Speaker 2: Anthony Maderos. I mean, yeah, there's just no there's because
Speaker 2: Lee had pitched, and Diddier had pitched, and Dylan Dodd
Speaker 2: had pitched there just wasn't like there wasn't anyone else
Speaker 2: who And you know you can go both ways, right
Speaker 2: Like if you don't go to Aglacias up four and
Speaker 2: you bring in Tyler Kinley and he goes walk home
Speaker 2: or walk well, then you're slamming the table asking why
Speaker 2: the hell isn't Iglesias in the game. It's still close.
Speaker 2: It's kind of you damned if you do, damn if
Speaker 2: you don't. But I will say for Monday night's game,
Speaker 2: the bullpen is going to be pretty thin.
Speaker 1: We are not above criticizing bullpin usage. We do it
Speaker 1: all the time on this podcast. That was not one
Speaker 1: that I took particular offense to, but people were tagging
Speaker 1: us and mad about it, and I get it. I
Speaker 1: get the pushback. But I think the reason why I
Speaker 1: wasn't botherous because of the state of the bullpen. If
Speaker 1: they had Suarez, if they had they were okay back there, like,
Speaker 1: but anyway they got the win, they held it down.
Speaker 1: Monday will be interesting and we'll find out. Let me
Speaker 1: get to Monday, Scott. Let's talk about a couple of
Speaker 1: maybe not intel, well one thing's intel, but there's intel
Speaker 1: there's some out and topless discussion, some trade deadline stuff.
Speaker 1: Because we're two weeks away. People are gonna listen to
Speaker 1: this a lot of them on Monday, and I'd be
Speaker 1: exactly two weeks away from the deadline. We did a
Speaker 1: lot of deadline talk during the All Star break. You
Speaker 1: and I when we last talked, did a five Ways
Speaker 1: to Fix the Braves, which basically was a deadline preview
Speaker 1: of sorts just a few days ago. But our colleague
Speaker 1: on this network, Ken Rosenthal, things off on Friday by
Speaker 1: writing one sentence that sent a lot of us and
Speaker 1: I'll include myself in that into a bit of a
Speaker 1: tail spin on Friday, and Ken wrote the following Alex
Speaker 1: Nthopolis Comma. According to people briefed on his discussions, Comma
Speaker 1: currently is more focused on his offense while weighing multiple
Speaker 1: internal options for his rotation.
Speaker 2: End quote.
Speaker 1: Now, there was more written than that, but that was
Speaker 1: the money sentence that people were watching on YouTube can
Speaker 1: see Scott's reaction. Notably, he didn't say Alex would not
Speaker 1: add pitching, but I think we all were like, we
Speaker 1: can't possibly be doing this again with the internal options
Speaker 1: that we heard about all winter long. But apparently that's
Speaker 1: going to be a topic. Alex did talk which I'll
Speaker 1: let you talk about because he talked on and I
Speaker 1: think it was LB Network Radio with Jim Bowden I
Speaker 1: believe was on that show. There's multiple hosts, but anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thoughts on that and also what Alex had to say
Speaker 1: for himself into a microphone over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we know how secretive and kind of
Speaker 2: in the shadows Alex likes to work, so it's always interesting,
Speaker 2: you know. Obviously Ken is super plugged in. I'm sure
Speaker 2: he talked to executives who have talked to Alex in
Speaker 2: the early stages of trade conversations. But to me, man
Speaker 2: like there it's clear that they're going to need rotation help,
Speaker 2: They're going to need a bat, They're going to maybe
Speaker 2: even need a bullpen arm, depending on how they feel
Speaker 2: about a couple of guys internally. But you know, in
Speaker 2: addition to Rosenthals column you mentioned, Alex was on MLB
Speaker 2: Network Radio for about twenty minutes. Friend of the show, CJ.
Speaker 2: Nikkowski on Twitter posted the twenty minute interview and there
Speaker 2: was nothing earth shattering in there, but there were some
Speaker 2: interesting conversations that Alex had. It sounds like he over
Speaker 2: the last few days has had quite a few phone
Speaker 2: calls with some of the obvious sellers or teams who
Speaker 2: think they're going to sell short of going on a
Speaker 2: fifteen game winning streak, so we'll see there. And he said, basically,
Speaker 2: they're going to improve the team however they can, and
Speaker 2: sometimes things are available to you.
Speaker 1: Alex sentiments, I will say, he says that all the time,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I almost didn't want to bring
Speaker 1: up the Rosenthal thing because it was that's I'm not
Speaker 1: thicking on a can who's doing his job. And this
Speaker 1: also was before the weekend, before we had seen Owen
Speaker 1: Murphy pitch and a start like his name was mentioned
Speaker 1: in that in that call in Ken's column. It was
Speaker 1: one of those like, hey, here's a bunch of names,
Speaker 1: and we've been making fun at least I've been making
Speaker 1: fun of that since January of like, let's list a
Speaker 1: bunch of names. Okay, you know what Jose Suarez on
Speaker 1: those lists in December and January, Scott, because I do,
Speaker 1: I yeah, but no, yeah, you know what Alex is
Speaker 1: gonna say exactly this, Like Alex is never gonna be
Speaker 1: like we are training for a starting pitture like that
Speaker 1: is not Alex's style. He's never going to do that,
Speaker 1: So I'm not terribly worried. I just wanted to least
Speaker 1: flag that because I was like, oh man, not like this,
Speaker 1: please not like this. Oh one more on this? Uh
Speaker 1: to Bowden today, I believe he said something about adding
Speaker 1: a high leverage reliever. And I swear to you, if
Speaker 1: they're spending seventy five million dollars in the bullpen by
Speaker 1: the end of season, I'm gonna lose my mind. They're
Speaker 1: already spending a lot on the bullpen as it is.
Speaker 1: I get it. You talk about the ledge. I want
Speaker 1: you to say what what you told me offline, because
Speaker 1: it's it was good. It was a good note by you.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, call me down.
Speaker 2: It about Robert Swarez making sure Robert Torres is good, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, if he's If he's not good, then okay if
Speaker 1: Roberts sware if there were not Robert Sworres at all,
Speaker 1: then then they could take on another reliever if they
Speaker 1: need to. I just was like, guys, they spent a
Speaker 1: lot on a bullpen already. If they go I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you want to try for Mason Miller like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I won't stop you. I just don't think that's probably
Speaker 1: what the biggest need is.
Speaker 2: Oh I would stop them. I would. I would actively
Speaker 2: call Rob Manfred and say, Rob, you gotta block this deal.
Speaker 2: It's cheating, it's not fair. Don't let him do it.
Speaker 1: Bullpen games in every game, it's Chris Sale in a
Speaker 1: bullpen game, every series, every single game. It is not
Speaker 1: a Christ starts a bullpen game.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah they would, They would change baseball forever with
Speaker 2: the number of bullpen games they'd be running. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what, Look, if there's a good reliever and
Speaker 2: there's an opportunity to acquire them, sure it should not
Speaker 2: be Mason Miller. And in my eyes, the bullpen is
Speaker 2: priority number three or four for this team. Behind find
Speaker 2: the rotation and adding a left handed DH or outfield
Speaker 2: type of bat. It seems like, you know, Mark Bowman
Speaker 2: also was talking today that while it's very much up
Speaker 2: in the air what Ronald Accunya Junior's future is going
Speaker 2: to be. You know, Ronald has been dhing quite a
Speaker 2: bit in his rehab assignment. It makes sense to give
Speaker 2: Ronald some reps at DH. Well, if you put Ronald
Speaker 2: a DH then you very likely need to add an
Speaker 2: outfielder in the next couple of weeks. So we'll see, well,
Speaker 2: you know, we'll see where it ultimately lies. But for me,
Speaker 2: you know, if folks miss that show where Brad and
Speaker 2: I kind of did the trade deadline priorities and kind
Speaker 2: of how to fix this roster or improve this roster
Speaker 2: at a starter, I would like to add two bats,
Speaker 2: a lefty and a arriety to really help with matchups
Speaker 2: in October. If you want to add another starter, I
Speaker 2: will not fight you at all, even if it's a
Speaker 2: boring inning Zeter type. We didn't really talk about the
Speaker 2: bullpen on that show. And again, if if they want
Speaker 2: to add like a third lefty specialist because they don't
Speaker 2: believe in Danny Young, or if they want to add
Speaker 2: another riety because they're getting worried about Tyler and being
Speaker 2: able to trust him in a playoff series, go for it.
Speaker 2: But the bullpen better be the last deal that you
Speaker 2: lock in because there are certainly higher items on the
Speaker 2: totem pole.
Speaker 1: Speaking a little bit about the injury related stuff, because
Speaker 1: Alex did talk about Schwellenbach and Strider, there was some
Speaker 1: confusion about Schwellenbach. There was some beat guys reporting that
Speaker 1: he hadn't gone to Florida, and apparently he did go
Speaker 1: to Florida in the All Star break. This is talking
Speaker 1: about special Swallenbax to begin throwing bullpens. Basically, they're gonna
Speaker 1: hope to ramp him up in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: It seems like, according to what Alex was saying, what
Speaker 1: Weiss I think, either the day before or maybe the
Speaker 1: same day, was very noncommittal on either Strider or Schwellenbach
Speaker 1: pitching this season, which, by the way, is the right
Speaker 1: approach for Walt Weiss to be. I think at this
Speaker 1: point I would be as non committal as possible. I
Speaker 1: believe you said on Twitter that you're over under on
Speaker 1: spencer s starts was zero point five?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Was that a correct savment? Yeah, I think I'm with you.
Speaker 1: By the way, that'd be that's the appropriate over run.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I go over under, but I'm
Speaker 1: expecting very little, and if one of the Spencers wants
Speaker 1: to get healthy and prove me wrong, I would be
Speaker 1: very happy about that. I just uh, that's the latest
Speaker 1: Spencer Strider is not throwing yet still so Schwallenbach might
Speaker 1: be a little bit ahead, but he had no spring training,
Speaker 1: so we just he has to really take a while
Speaker 1: at a ramp up, which we knew, and maybe he's
Speaker 1: going to floor as a good sign. But even now,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe like mid September would be the first
Speaker 1: time he could pitch in the major leagues. I mean
Speaker 1: maybe earthly September with the absolute most I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and how effective would would Schwellenbach or Strider
Speaker 2: be if if they are able to come all the
Speaker 2: way back? And I think that's still a very steep
Speaker 2: hill to climb. But let's say Schwellenbach is back. If
Speaker 2: you could get him a couple of starts in the
Speaker 2: middle of September, great, like you'd be an opportunity to
Speaker 2: kind of see what he has see if you can
Speaker 2: trust him, assuming that you're in a position where you
Speaker 2: can give Schwellenbach starts, you know, if you're tied with
Speaker 2: the Phillies for the division lead, I'm not sure you
Speaker 2: can just throw Spencer out there for the first time
Speaker 2: in fifteen months, but you know, it's something to keep
Speaker 2: an eye on. Well, we'll see kind of how Schwalenbach
Speaker 2: feels as he really rams things up. It sounds like
Speaker 2: at the end of July is when Alexanhoppolis said, Schwalenbach
Speaker 2: is really going to start to push it and maybe
Speaker 2: begin a rehab assignment, even if that would likely take
Speaker 2: a full month, basically the entire month of August. If
Speaker 2: all goes well, we'll be rehab assignment for Schwellenbach and
Speaker 2: see and then for Strider. I mean, I'm somehow even
Speaker 2: less optimistic on Strider. It's been six weeks since the injury.
Speaker 2: I think I'm trying to remember. Maybe you remember, with
Speaker 2: your incredible brain, Bradley, what how long they were going
Speaker 2: to shut Strider down for when he first got hurt,
Speaker 2: and it's been about six weeks since then. I want
Speaker 2: to say eight to ten was the number in my mind,
Speaker 2: but it's I set the over under at zero point
Speaker 2: five for starts made by a Spencer this year. I
Speaker 2: would lean towards the under on that. But maybe they'll
Speaker 2: they'll surprise us and make an impact in September and
Speaker 2: maybe October.
Speaker 1: I believe, and I looked at it. This is not
Speaker 1: my recall only in my notes. I believe they were
Speaker 1: going to say it was a four week shut down
Speaker 1: flat right away with Strider and then they were going
Speaker 1: to reassess where else beyond that. And as a reminder,
Speaker 1: he's almost sixty ail, so he can't even come back
Speaker 1: even if he was able to until, like you know,
Speaker 1: August twentieth. I want to say something like that. So
Speaker 1: it September. I think it's September tenth. He got hurt
Speaker 1: on like right, I thought it was like mid. I
Speaker 1: thought it was mid June.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I'm sorry he got hurt in June,
Speaker 2: not July. Ignored.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, yeah, sorry, it's fine, mid June. We're good.
Speaker 1: It's this is it's like we're podcasting, but no, the
Speaker 1: takeaway is surprised, if you want to. I think the
Speaker 1: Braves should operate as if neither one of them were
Speaker 1: wing to pitch, and if they are able to pitch,
Speaker 1: that's great, but they should be banking on them, not
Speaker 1: basically from a transactional standpoint. We'll be what I would say,
Speaker 1: So we'll see elsewhere. On the injury recovery front, you
Speaker 1: mentioned Ronal Cooton Junior earlier. He is spending whatett As
Speaker 1: has Hassan kim As has a J. Smith Shaver who
Speaker 1: pitched on Saturday and apparently looked pretty good in foign
Speaker 1: A third innings, looked better than his last start. Kim
Speaker 1: has shown a little bit of something. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: get carried away. It's minor league pitching, but he's not
Speaker 1: been getting destroyed, which is what I was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: if he looks bad in the minors, it might be
Speaker 1: over over for Hassan Kim, and he hasn't, so at
Speaker 1: least that's the smallest possible hurdle cleared from him. And
Speaker 1: then Ronnie looks like Ronnie he had he had this,
Speaker 1: he had this majestic grand slam that made the rounds.
Speaker 1: I don't worry all about him over there, just health.
Speaker 1: Like if Ronnie's playing, I think he's gonna be good.
Speaker 1: We'll see what that is. Maybe he could be back
Speaker 1: as soon as like this week, maybe by the end
Speaker 1: of the series. What was kind of not by the
Speaker 1: end of this coming series, but maybe by the weekend.
Speaker 1: We'll find out. But right, he did't play right field
Speaker 1: today for the first time. That's a check mark, Like
Speaker 1: he was only dh un till today. So I think
Speaker 1: I've always kind of always not hard I shouldn't say always.
Speaker 1: The last couple of years, I've argued that rons are
Speaker 1: probably DH more than he has, but he's still he
Speaker 1: still used to play at the outfield some because Drake
Speaker 1: Ball has got a DH two, so nothing else. You
Speaker 1: gotta have a D. You gotta have an outfielder for
Speaker 1: what Drake DHS and Ronnie can do that gets split time.
Speaker 1: It's fine for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can bet even when Acuna gets activated,
Speaker 2: they're gonna be careful with him and maybe have him
Speaker 2: do like one in the outfield, one DH, one in
Speaker 2: the outfield, one DH and then have a day off
Speaker 2: or something like that. Yes, please, it's so much more
Speaker 2: important to keep him healthy for August and September and
Speaker 2: hopefully deep into October. So yes, be slow with Ronald.
Speaker 2: I'm glad they've been so cautious coming off basically your
Speaker 2: reaggravation of that hamstring injury from the first time. In
Speaker 2: terms of hass On Kim, I think he has another
Speaker 2: two full weeks that he can continue with his rehab assignment.
Speaker 2: Keep him down there, as Jim Jarvis has has solidified it.
Speaker 2: Let Kim get two more weeks of facing triple A
Speaker 2: pitching and see if he can get anything going. Maybe,
Speaker 2: just maybe he could give you something in the back
Speaker 2: novel this season.
Speaker 1: I just saw I think his uh it's been on
Speaker 1: include today, but he has a one coming into today
Speaker 1: at least has a one thirty five WRC plus in
Speaker 1: Gurnett or I guess in the minors. So hey, I'll
Speaker 1: say he's not bad.
Speaker 2: Well. Kim hit well in his rehab assignment the first
Speaker 2: time too, which is probably why they were so well.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's like, yeah, I'm not saying that's
Speaker 1: that's why I said. It really was only worrying if
Speaker 1: it was like really bad in the miners, it's already
Speaker 1: worrying anyway. We all know, Hassan Kim might just be
Speaker 1: at zero this season. That's very obviously the case. But yeah,
Speaker 1: give him all the time he needs if he figures
Speaker 1: it out. He figures it out, and ride Jim Jarvis
Speaker 1: until you can't anymore. Is the mindset there.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, Smiths Shaffer encouraging, you know, like he's
Speaker 2: it's been a steady build in his rehab assignments, but
Speaker 2: looked good. Fastball was between ninety six and ninety nine lost.
Speaker 2: He held around ninety seven four and a third innings
Speaker 2: seventy one pitches, So I would imagine at least one
Speaker 2: more rehab to start for Smith Shauber. Hopefully he could
Speaker 2: go five or six and get up to eighty eighty
Speaker 2: five pitches and then evaluate. And that's something that Alex
Speaker 2: and Topless talked about on the radio on Sunday. Really
Speaker 2: just keeping an eye on aj making sure he feels
Speaker 2: like he's fully built up and ready to go attack
Speaker 2: major league hiders, because I think of all the as
Speaker 2: the Braves continue to kind of cycle in and out
Speaker 2: their prospects, their pitching prospects. I mean, clearly, based on
Speaker 2: what we saw last year, I think Smith Shavor has
Speaker 2: the best chance of being immediately successful. And I think,
Speaker 2: I mean, if if he can give this team reliable
Speaker 2: starts every five or six days, it's only going to help.
Speaker 2: Especially if we're not the Lopez keeps throwing the ball. Well,
Speaker 2: let's hope they add one or two starters. You can
Speaker 2: squint and get an idea that maybe by early August
Speaker 2: this rotation will be in a much better place than
Speaker 2: where it currently is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will at least listen to optimistic cases for
Speaker 1: what Ronaldo can give them and for what Smith Shav
Speaker 1: can give them, those two, I understand those cases. You're
Speaker 1: gonna have a hard time selling me on Bryce Selder.
Speaker 1: You gonna have a hard time selling me on Martin Perez.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about in a second or even you know.
Speaker 1: I'll leave it there, But I'm just saying I understand
Speaker 1: the optimism on Ronaldo with what he's looked recently and
Speaker 1: Smishav because he at least has done it in the
Speaker 1: majors a little bit the way that Owen Murphy and
Speaker 1: jere Richie have not notable. Speaking at Martin Perez, people
Speaker 1: are gonna love this, Scott, I know, and you're included
Speaker 1: in this. Uh what Wise said this weekend that Martin
Speaker 1: Perez is quote on the radar, I could return from
Speaker 1: the IL soon. There's been widespread speculation that he might
Speaker 1: start on Wednesday when the preyce have a TVA TBD listed.
Speaker 1: Give me your excitement level one to ten from Martin
Speaker 1: Perez start after what we saw recently from Martin Perez.
Speaker 2: Four and a half.
Speaker 1: That sounds way that was way hard that I thought
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say like one and a half.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping. I'm hoping that after two three weeks away,
Speaker 2: that Perez is better than where he was. You know,
Speaker 2: he was such a godsend for about a month there,
Speaker 2: really reliable in the middle of this rotation, and then
Speaker 2: he came on hard times and regressed really hard and
Speaker 2: was giving up a bunch of hard contact and then
Speaker 2: got injured. So hopefully the last few weeks I have given
Speaker 2: him a chance to kind of reset get back out there.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe the reason it's a four and a
Speaker 2: half on my optimism scale is because the other starting
Speaker 2: pitcher options are so bleak right now.
Speaker 1: What he's replacing is not too good, right Like.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't love Martin Perez in its current form,
Speaker 2: but he's also probably like the fourth most trustworthy pitcher
Speaker 2: on this team right now in terms of rotation options.
Speaker 2: So we'll see. You know, San Diego hit Perez pretty
Speaker 2: well when he saw them about a month ago out West.
Speaker 2: It'll be if Perez can give this team a couple
Speaker 2: of good innings, I mean goodness, can you imagine if
Speaker 2: he can go six innings that would be huge for
Speaker 2: this team. And even if it's like six innings and
Speaker 2: it gives up four runs along the way. The Padre
Speaker 2: Star pitching staff is not very good, especially the starters.
Speaker 2: So this is a series. I think a lot of
Speaker 2: runs are going to be scored, assuming he makes that
Speaker 2: start on Wednesday night. And but at this point, man, like,
Speaker 2: what what are your other options? It's it's Sale, it's Rinaldo,
Speaker 2: who's been good, it's Grant Holmes, who we know, and
Speaker 2: then just a bunch of junk, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: and they just hope that they can cover five.
Speaker 1: Right, I have no issue starting more team pres if
Speaker 1: he's healthy. He actually did get hurt. It was just
Speaker 1: a total shutdown when he was struggling a little bit,
Speaker 1: but he got he got hit with a bat of ball,
Speaker 1: so he went down for a reason. If he's healthy
Speaker 1: and good, I don't have high petitions for what's going
Speaker 1: to look like. But I also understand giving him a
Speaker 1: shot because he was effective, like even for the season.
Speaker 1: Right now, he is a three point five y r
Speaker 1: and anyone innings Fipp in the mid mid foards is
Speaker 1: probably more realistic. But like that's not that's not uncompetitive
Speaker 1: compared to the rest of the options. So if he
Speaker 1: looks terrible on Wednesday, maybe he gets DFA and I
Speaker 1: have no idea what they're gonna do there, but we'll
Speaker 1: keep an eye on it in the coming days. Last
Speaker 1: bit of news quickly is that Yaz appears to be
Speaker 1: a very likely minimum stay on the i L, which
Speaker 1: puts him back in the next couple of days. I
Speaker 1: know they've been getting by what they have in the outfield,
Speaker 1: and Yas is not always the most popular player, but
Speaker 1: he is better than what they've had, so I think
Speaker 1: he has being back would be helpful.
Speaker 2: Hey, shouts to Brewer Hicklin, Who's who's good?
Speaker 1: True, he's done a shot. Yes, he's done a job.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm guessing it's gonna be Brewer Hicklin who gets
Speaker 2: who gets booted off the roster when Yaz is ready
Speaker 2: to be activated but.
Speaker 1: Starting it's hilarious, but it's yeah, he's been starting games
Speaker 1: like and it kind of has to. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: hit the ball well. I think he has thirteen played appearances,
Speaker 1: but I think he's got five hits a couple doubles
Speaker 1: in there. Like, he's done his job really well. He's
Speaker 1: just like historically I believe he is thirty years old
Speaker 1: and only has a handful of major league games to
Speaker 1: his on four different teams. So like he's the definition
Speaker 1: of a kwana player. Like he's a thirty year old
Speaker 1: just trying to grind and make it. But hey, you
Speaker 1: can't say anything over that. He took advantage of his opportunity.
Speaker 1: He's do a really good job.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, whether fair or not, I'm guessing that's what
Speaker 2: the move will be. But it'll be good to get
Speaker 2: Yazz back. We talked about it when he got hurt.
Speaker 2: It was weird that he had the injury because he
Speaker 2: had been hitting the ball really well over the last
Speaker 2: ten or so days before the elbow injury popped up.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it'll be good to get Yazz out there
Speaker 2: another left handed option. Can't have enough of those, especially
Speaker 2: when they're going to see quite a few ridies this
Speaker 2: upcoming week. Yeah, looking forward to have Mikey Stremsky back
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: And as noted before we get out of here, the
Speaker 1: deadline is two weeks away, so we are officially on watch.
Speaker 1: Deals can happen. There have been little little things that
Speaker 1: have happened around baseball. There was a trade I think
Speaker 1: yesterday or today, relatively minor trade, but something happened like
Speaker 1: We're in that window now where things can start happening
Speaker 1: more and more. The Braves have a four game series
Speaker 1: at home against the Padre that begins on Monday. Santae
Speaker 1: would beat the Braves in sweet fashion a month ago.
Speaker 1: That was maddening during the downturn in the month of June,
Speaker 1: but the pottery has not been very good this year.
Speaker 1: They did just score nineteen runs today, so maybe they
Speaker 1: got right at a bad time for the Braves, but
Speaker 1: before that they have been decidedly blow water for a
Speaker 1: good little while here. Unfortunately, the pidget situation until the
Speaker 1: finale with Chris Sales in the Mound is neutral at best.
Speaker 1: Bryce Elder on the Mound Baby on Monday Night. Bryce
Speaker 1: Elder of the eleven Era in his last four starts,
Speaker 1: so we'll see if it's good Bryce or bad. I'm
Speaker 1: joking to some degree. Bryce has been good a time
Speaker 1: this year. It just hasn't been for a while now.
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe he gets maybe he gets right on
Speaker 1: Minna Night at Hope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope. Yeah. Bryce Elder against lefty JP Sears.
Speaker 2: Sears is not very good so.
Speaker 1: Just a guy. Yeah, he's not impressive fiddle, So yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think Sears did pitch against the Braves in that series
Speaker 2: in San Diego and pitched well, although that was like
Speaker 2: that West Coast trip in June. For the Braves there
Speaker 2: was probably the worst of the season just in terms
Speaker 2: of performance and offense. It was hideous baseball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two thirds and give up two runs in a
Speaker 1: game that the Braves lost on June twenty fourth, rough week.
Speaker 2: But you know, Tuesday night, Ronaldo Lopez against Walker Bueller
Speaker 2: is a solid enough matchup. Probably Martine Perez on Wednesday
Speaker 2: Night against Michael King aka Greg Mannix himself whenever he
Speaker 2: sees the Braves. Michael King has just killed this team
Speaker 2: over the year. I mean, he's a good pitcher and
Speaker 2: he got paid well in the offseason. But and then
Speaker 2: Thursday is a gigantic lean towards the Braves. Chris Saale
Speaker 2: against Griffin Canning. Griffin Canning has been Braves, Braves legend,
Speaker 2: Griffin Canning as he is best known in these parties. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's Braves legend himself. Yeah, but Canning has been very
Speaker 2: bad this year. So at least Thursday Night you should
Speaker 2: keyword should win that game on Thursday. Hopefully you can
Speaker 2: take two out of those first three games, even if
Speaker 2: the pitching matchups are not ideal, and if you can
Speaker 2: take three to four against the Padres, it might also
Speaker 2: be like the nail on the coffin. For San Diego,
Speaker 2: there's a real chance they're selling at the deadline. They
Speaker 2: have a horrible run differential. They've been well below five
Speaker 2: hundred since late April. It's just not a great team.
Speaker 2: They do have some talented players Machado and Tatis and Merrill,
Speaker 2: but all those guys are underperforming this year. It is
Speaker 2: a series I would say at home that you would
Speaker 2: really like to take three out of four in But
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess if they go too and two,
Speaker 2: it's not the absolute end of the world. But you
Speaker 2: certainly do not want to lose this series at home,
Speaker 2: to say it kindly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just checked our friends at FanDuel. Actually
Speaker 1: the Brave. The Braves are favored on Monday Night with
Speaker 1: Bryce Elter on the mound, So that kind of tells
Speaker 1: you what this series should be on paper. Betty market Iever,
Speaker 1: you want to frame this not saying they should sweep
Speaker 1: them or anything like that, like that's obviously would be great,
Speaker 1: But I think I think a three to one series
Speaker 1: win is what you are hoping for projecting, et cetera.
Speaker 1: If they don't do that, yeah, if they if they
Speaker 1: go to and two, am I gonna yell on scream no.
Speaker 1: But if they lose, the series would not be ideal
Speaker 1: going into the break and not the break going into
Speaker 1: the deadline as we're talking about that. But yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: see a pretty roughitch matchup on both sides on Monday.
Speaker 1: The over under is nine, pretty high. We'll see what
Speaker 1: goes on with Bryce Elder and JPS. Here's anything the
Speaker 1: add Scott before we get out of here on a
Speaker 1: lengthy Sunday night podcast because it's you and me and
Speaker 1: that's what we do.
Speaker 2: That is indeed what we do on Sundays. Yeah, good
Speaker 2: series win for the Braves. Nice win over the Rangers.
Speaker 2: Took you out of three the very easily been a
Speaker 2: swept sweep, and you have an opportunity for games on
Speaker 2: the horizon against the Padres team you really should be
Speaker 2: able to beat up on. Just hopefully you just keep
Speaker 2: building off lists. We know how bad June was, or
Speaker 2: at least most of June. We know how frustrating parts
Speaker 2: of July have been. But good signs, especially offensively. Maybe
Speaker 2: just maybe the starting rotation can give this team some
Speaker 2: innings to help out the bullpen, because the bullpen is
Speaker 2: going to be very thin on Monday night. So one
Speaker 2: more time, if we're watching on Monday and it's like, wow,
Speaker 2: why is JR. Richie throwing a one inning game or
Speaker 2: a one run game of the eighth inning, It's because
Speaker 2: nobody else is available. So keep that in mind. But
Speaker 2: let's get back out there. Maybe Bryce Elder can find
Speaker 2: himself even even just be serviceable and give this team
Speaker 2: a few innings would really help this team as we
Speaker 2: as we approach the deadline, getting closer and closer to
Speaker 2: that very exciting time of the calendar.
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