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Speaker 1: This is one Bills Live, presented by Calllida helth I

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Speaker 1: am Josh Red alongside Chris Tapasso. We are in for

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker, Maddie Glab They've got some well

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Speaker 1: deserved time off, so we're gonna try to hold down

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Speaker 1: the fort for the next couple of hours. Talk Bills,

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Speaker 1: look forward to some training camp, have some conversations about that.

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Speaker 1: Look around the league a little bit. First off, what

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Speaker 1: everybody's talking right now is about the weather. Holy smokes,

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Speaker 1: is it hot out Chris. I mean, we went from

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Speaker 1: a typical Buffalo fifty degree rainy to Buffalo summer. And

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Speaker 1: when it hits, it hits hard. It's like ninety degrees

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Speaker 1: and three thousand percent humidity.

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Speaker 2: It feels like asana outside. And just two weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: I did a golf trip with my friends and the

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Speaker 2: Saturday morning round that we played, the real feel was

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Speaker 2: thirty four degrees. It was fifty raining, windy in early June.

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Speaker 2: We were like, what is going on? This is not right,

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Speaker 2: And now it's ninety two degrees. So that's like Western

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Speaker 2: New York weather to a.

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Speaker 1: TfL absolutely, and good for you for getting out there

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Speaker 1: and playing some golf. I took the family over to

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Speaker 1: the new splash Pad, got three kids five and under

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Speaker 1: the new splash Pad over in Tanawana.

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Speaker 1: We had a great time there. It will stay cool

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Speaker 1: and if you haven't been over there, you should go

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Speaker 1: check that out. Training camp is gonna be here before

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Speaker 1: you know it. July twenty third, We're gonna be at

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Speaker 1: Saint John Fisher cranking things up. Looking forward to seeing

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Speaker 1: the fans out there. Is always such a good time,

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Speaker 1: you know. One of the big things that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: different this time around is Hard Knocks is gonna be there.

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Speaker 1: So there's always a bunch of camera and media around,

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Speaker 1: but we're gonna have Hard Knocks hanging out and that

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Speaker 1: that should make for an interesting element.

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Speaker 2: Is this gonna be the most highly anticipated Bills training

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Speaker 2: camp in like recent memory? Like I can't think with

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Speaker 2: Josh coming off the MVP, getting this close to advancing

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Speaker 2: to a Super Bowl HBO. Is there so many new

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Speaker 2: young faces like a big.

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Speaker 4: Draft, like back to back big draft classes.

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Speaker 2: A lot of guys that Sean McDermot said it during

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Speaker 2: Mini camp, guys on defense that are going to play

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Speaker 2: right away that we haven't seen on an NFL field

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Speaker 2: yet to me, it's the most highly anticipated Bills training

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Speaker 2: camp in a really long time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They always come up with some fun, unique angles too

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Speaker 1: on Hard Knocks, and there'll be plenty of those opportunities

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Speaker 1: at the top of my list. I would love to

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Speaker 1: see them Ike up, Brandon Bean and Josh Allen take

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Speaker 1: him out to golf.

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Speaker 4: In Rochester yet, right, I mean so many.

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Speaker 1: Great golf courses out there, Mike those two up, they

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Speaker 1: are so competitive, and that would go after it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that would be. And you know, maybe maybe the loser

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Speaker 1: has to buy some ice cream at Pittsford Dry, so

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Speaker 1: that's one of the few. You know, we had a

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Speaker 1: chance to talk to Sean McDermott all the time, and

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Speaker 1: everybody knows how health conscious he is. It's one of

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Speaker 1: the few times I feel like he takes a little break.

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Speaker 1: See how he makes his way over the pub and

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Speaker 1: I would like to know what he's ordering over there,

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Speaker 1: So come on, Hard Knocks, you got to figure that out.

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Speaker 1: One of the big storylines. I think heading into outside

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Speaker 1: if at all, do we see at James Cook. He

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Speaker 1: was here at mandatory Mini camp was full go. It

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Speaker 1: was good to see what will he be. What do

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Speaker 1: you think he'll do when it comes to training camp.

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Speaker 1: Will he hold in or will it be full go?

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Speaker 2: participated in everything. It was not a hold in at

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Speaker 2: There's not a ton of tackling to the ground. There's

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Speaker 1: I think you bring up a great point. The pads

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Speaker 1: the number one goal of training camp in the preseason

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Speaker 1: get into the week one of the regular season, have

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Speaker 1: your roster intact, have them healthy and ready to roll

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Speaker 1: and other positions, you know, we just touched a little

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Speaker 2: I think when you draft a first round corner Maxwell Hairston,

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Speaker 2: who I think could be a star on hard knocks

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Speaker 2: with his personality obvious, the focus is probably first and

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Speaker 4: To me, I'm more interested in safety.

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Speaker 2: You bring in Derek Forrest, you have your second rounder,

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Speaker 2: Cole Bishop, that came on strong and was an integral

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Speaker 2: you have Jamar Hamlin resigning. No one really thought that

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Speaker 2: the Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer era were like the

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Speaker 2: lynch pins of this defense where I think Sean Mcermertt

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Speaker 2: It's not that those jobs are necessarily up for grabs,

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Speaker 2: those guys can actually win or lose a job during

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Max Harrison. You also mentioned Trey White, Dane Jackson.

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Speaker 1: You can throw him in the mix as well there

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Speaker 1: at cornerback two on the opposite side of Christian Benford.

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Speaker 1: How's that play out? How to me? I think day one,

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Speaker 1: it's probably true Davious White getting most of the run

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Speaker 1: I think Max Harrison's gonna be given every opportunity to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good analysis of the situation because

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Speaker 2: it's easy in this day and age you just want

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Speaker 2: to throw the first rounder in their instant gratification society

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Speaker 2: that we're in. But if we look at the history

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Speaker 2: those players, But I think in general, when you bring

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Speaker 2: that led the league in turnovers last year that is

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Speaker 1: This team and this roster is really an interesting I

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Speaker 1: would say it's almost an outlier for most teams in

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Speaker 1: they have a lot of really good pieces around Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: The offensive line remains intact, so it's not necessarily gonna

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Speaker 1: you gonna get from Keon Colane, really a lot of

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Speaker 1: six games suspensions, so they're going to have to kind

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Speaker 1: is going to be I think Dwayne Carter is going

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Speaker 1: to be a really interesting piece of this puzzle, in

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Speaker 1: particular early on, knowing that Michael Hoyt and Larry Ogunjobi

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Speaker 2: I mean and speaking training camp, enormous opportunity for Dwayne Carter.

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Speaker 2: but right when that's over and it's the start of

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Speaker 2: so they will probably the coaching staff give Carter more

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Speaker 2: really excited about second round pick T J. Sanders along

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Speaker 2: the season last year as a rookie, Dwayne Carter was

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Speaker 2: Dalton Kincaid and like Kean Coleman, he suffered a wrist injury.

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Speaker 2: Even Dwayne Smooth last year had a hand injury and

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Speaker 2: wasn't the same when he returned. And I would say

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Speaker 2: ten years, if you're a defensive lineman and you have

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Speaker 2: a risk or a hand injury, remember the Mario Williams

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Speaker 2: as you really can be because so much of it

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Speaker 2: So enormous Horman's opportunity not just on hard knocks, but

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Speaker 2: to earn considerable playing time in this rotation heavy defensive

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Brandon Bean mentioned that at the end of mandatory

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Speaker 1: All right, that leads us to Around the NFL presented

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Speaker 1: From a young wide receiver to a veteran wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand this. I mean I think and

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Speaker 2: like we're gonna get into it later in the show.

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Speaker 2: It's great for the rivalry between the Bills and the Dolphins,

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Speaker 2: and I think when the when there's a squish, the

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Speaker 2: fish element in Buffalo, it just makes those games more enticing.

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Speaker 2: It just hearkens back to the Jim Kelly Dan Marino

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Speaker 2: era obviously, But like, what does Tyreek Hill want teams

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Speaker 2: to do? Like he was saying, they played too much

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Speaker 2: Cover four, which is like two safeties deep and then

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Speaker 2: the two outside corners are also playing a quarter of

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Speaker 2: the deep portions of the field. Like that's how you

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Speaker 2: stop Tyreek Hill. It would be one thing to say, hey,

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Speaker 2: they tried Cover four against me. It didn't work. No,

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Speaker 2: Like you mentioned, the Bills track record against Tyreek Hill

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Speaker 2: is probably as good as any team in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I mean, even two years ago when he was in

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Speaker 2: first team All Pro, had like sixteen hundred yards receiving.

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Speaker 2: His games against the Bills were not very good, So

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Speaker 2: it kind of felt like to me, Tyreek Kill was

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Speaker 2: frustrated because he knows it doesn't really matter what corners

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Speaker 2: are there. This Sean McDermott and Bobby Babbage scheme can

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Speaker 2: what is probably the most explosive poundful bound wide receiver

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Speaker 2: in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me tell you Sean and Bobby are not

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Speaker 1: losing sleepover what Tyreek Hill is saying. Here's the exact

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Speaker 1: quote from the Fanatics fan Fest. He said, quote, whenever

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Speaker 1: we play the Bills, those guys typically play cover four

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Speaker 1: because there are a bunch of fill in the blank.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not a nice word, and it's not appropriate

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Speaker 1: for us to say, but yeah, look I think it's

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Speaker 1: interesting and it throws a little bit of gas on

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Speaker 1: the fire for this rivalry. And here's the thing, Tyreek,

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Speaker 1: go to your head coach, Mike McDaniel and tell him

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Speaker 1: to scheme you up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how about that?

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Speaker 1: How about that? How about you go to your coaching

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Speaker 1: staff and go figure out a way to get me

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Speaker 1: the ball instead of worrying about what the Bill's coaching staffs.

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Speaker 2: Especially too, when I think Mike McDaniel in all of

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Speaker 2: his uh eccentric ways on the field, we kind of

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Speaker 2: understand that he's a pretty good play designer, play caller.

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Speaker 2: If Tyree kil saying hey, every time we play, then

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Speaker 2: we know they're playing Cover four, but he still can't

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Speaker 2: get the ball, that's a problem probably on your quarterback

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Speaker 2: and certainly on your offensive minded QB whisper of a

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Speaker 2: head coach. Hey, we know we're playing the Bills. They're

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Speaker 2: gonna play Cover four, and you can't get the fastest

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Speaker 2: guy in the NFL who's been a you know, multi

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Speaker 2: time first team aut pro more than two or three

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Speaker 2: catches a game. That's an induce on two's that's on

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Speaker 2: the coach. Absolutely, that's an indictment on the Dolphins organization,

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Speaker 2: coaching staff, and quarterback more so than griping about the

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Speaker 2: Bills just being smart with their play design and their

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Speaker 2: philosophy when facing him.

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Speaker 1: So coming out of that, the talking point was, you know,

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Speaker 1: how much does this fuel that rivalry? My point would

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Speaker 1: be not at all, because I don't know how heated

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Speaker 1: of a rivalry it is right now. The Dolphins have

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Speaker 1: to beat the Bills for it to be a rivalry

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Speaker 1: that It goes back to I would always say this

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Speaker 1: about Patriots and Bills rivalry. When Brady was there, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a rivalry because they couldn't beat him. No, the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins can't beat the Bills, So I mean, how much

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Speaker 1: of a rivalry is it. This was a talking point

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Speaker 1: with the Jets a couple of years ago when Dion

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Speaker 1: Dawkins called them out and Joe Douglas stood up there

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Speaker 1: at the count at the Combine in Indianapolis and we

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Speaker 1: asked him, Hey, would you think about Dion calling you out?

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Speaker 1: And he said, well, we got to beat him to

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Speaker 1: make him stop talking.

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Speaker 4: I think it's just absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if it's it's just not the

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Speaker 1: rivalry that people want it to be. And I think

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Speaker 1: it would be good for the division if it was

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Speaker 1: a good rivalry. But I don't know. They got to

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Speaker 1: beat him, They gott to find a way to beat him.

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Speaker 1: That leads us to the tweet sheet presented by Corgan

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Speaker 1: Moving Systems. Today's topic is, as you can imagine, it's

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Speaker 1: about Tyreek Hill. What would how much does this fuel

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Speaker 1: the rivalry? How much does this actually add to that rivalry?

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Speaker 1: Your opinion? What sparks a heated rivalry the most in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Hit us up on X or Twitter or

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Speaker 1: whatever you're calling it. Now, we are going to take

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Speaker 1: a quick break. We'll be right back with a lot

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Speaker 1: more on One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 1: Josh Reed Trepasso sitting in for the One Bill's Live

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Speaker 1: crew enjoining a little bit of summer vacation right now.

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Speaker 1: But cutting into the break, we talked a little bit

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Speaker 1: about Tyreek Hill's comments about the Bills playing cover four

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Speaker 1: and you know they're kind of scared of him, if

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Speaker 1: you will. Meanwhile, we talked about al hey, if it works,

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Speaker 1: it works. Your goal on defense is to stop the offense.

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Speaker 1: And for the most part, Sean McDermott, Bobby Babbage, they've

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Speaker 1: done a good job of slowing down Tyreek Hill. Well,

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Speaker 1: that was our tweet question, our Twitter question, and it

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Speaker 1: is what makes a rivalry heat up the most. We

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Speaker 1: got some really good responses already from Joey on X.

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Speaker 1: He says, I think geographical proximity has a lot to

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Speaker 1: do with it, along with how long the teams have

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Speaker 1: been playing each other. I think that's very true in

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Speaker 1: this particular instance. I think it has a lot to

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Speaker 1: do with how different Yeah, Miami, Buffalo and Miami.

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Speaker 2: You can't get to different places, right, No, not with

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Speaker 2: weather or not with the vibe of the city. I

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Speaker 2: think during the nineties growing up here and really feeling

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Speaker 2: when Kelly at Marino was a legitimate rather it was

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Speaker 2: maybe the best in the NFL. The seeing the Dolphins

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Speaker 2: come up in December to play was always a thing like, oh,

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Speaker 2: they can't play in the cold weather. And then we

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Speaker 2: saw it just a few years ago where the Bills

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Speaker 2: played in that heat wave where players were getting heat

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Speaker 2: cramps and we're leaving the field. That difference in geography

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Speaker 2: and the vibe of the cities, I think really plays

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Speaker 2: a big role in this reverie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because growing up in Northeast Ohio is a Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Browns fan. When I was young, you know, the big

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Speaker 1: rivalries the Pittsburgh Steelers. But as you get older, you

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Speaker 1: start to realize you don't like them because they're a

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Speaker 1: lot like you now, minus the Super Bowls, minus the

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Speaker 1: trophy case that's not in Cleveland and that's in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: But you also have a little bit of respect for

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Speaker 1: But Miami and Buffalo are just two way different cities.

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Speaker 1: So next up on the tweet sheet, let's go to

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Speaker 1: the next one.

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Speaker 4: Here, who do we got from? Andrew?

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Speaker 1: It is Andrew. I guess you would have to look

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Speaker 1: at the history of it. Teams that constantly have more

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Speaker 1: success over other teams proved to start a rivalry. Let's take,

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Speaker 1: for example, the Bills versus Miami. Right now, Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: owns that team, and Miami's fans they're disgusted by it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a good point. I think that

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Speaker 1: goes back to the Brady Bill's kind of rivalry that

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Speaker 1: just wasn't there. So I think that's a good point.

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Speaker 1: I really like mclovin. This one's from McLevin and this

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Speaker 1: might be my favorite one because he tweeted when a

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Speaker 1: player disrespects the fans of a rivalry, I ave Brian Cox.

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Speaker 1: I think that is Mike drop, Like, that's the perfect

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Speaker 1: example of how you really alienate an entire team and

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Speaker 1: fan base.

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Speaker 2: And rile that that fan base up for those games.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as a kid again, I'm gonna go back

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Speaker 2: to to that big rivalry with Bills and Dolphins.

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Speaker 4: Brian Cox was like the most hated guy in our house.

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Speaker 2: We never met the guy, but it was we were

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Speaker 2: almost watching him more than watching any of those really

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Speaker 2: good players on those nineties Dolphins teams because of some

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Speaker 2: of the antics that he did leaving a game in

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Speaker 2: Buffalo after he got like ejected from the game and

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Speaker 2: would say things about Bill's fans that I think is

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Speaker 2: the absolute perfect answer beyond because we're showing you can

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Speaker 2: be close in proximity geographically, you can be completely different

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Speaker 2: Bills and Dolphins. But if the player will say something

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Speaker 2: negative about the fan base in general, that sparks it

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Speaker 2: more than anything.

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Speaker 1: I want to add this one too, and tell me

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Speaker 1: what you think. I think when a player who is

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Speaker 1: loved on a certain team leaves via free agency, okay,

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Speaker 1: and they want him back, Like it's not I'm not

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Speaker 1: talking about a guy who just kind of leaves and

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Speaker 1: they didn't want him anymore, but leaves and picks another team.

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Speaker 3: I e.

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Speaker 1: You look at Lebron leaving Cleveland goes to Miami. Now

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a I wouldn't say Miami became a heated

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Speaker 1: rival of the Cleveland Cavaliers.

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Speaker 3: But.

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Speaker 1: That stings a fan base a lot. I think you

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Speaker 1: could put that in this conversation as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is one of the few as someone that

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Speaker 2: didn't really grow I mean I watched Michael Jordan growing

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Speaker 2: up in the nineties, but being from Buffalo, I was

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Speaker 2: never really part of a group of fans of any

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Speaker 2: NFL team or any NBA team.

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Speaker 4: I vividly remember watching the.

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Speaker 2: Game where Lebron went back to Cleveland as a member

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Speaker 2: of the Heat, and that was like the most appointment

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Speaker 2: viewing regular season NBA game that I think I can

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Speaker 2: ever remember. I mean, there's eighty two games, they all

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Speaker 2: kind of blend together. But yeah, I think that ultimately

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Speaker 2: can start a rivalry out of thin air from just

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Speaker 2: one player, usually a really good player's decision to ultimately

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Speaker 2: leave a city. Maybe he makes some disparaging comments on

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Speaker 2: his way out, like oh, Cleveland didn't have this, or

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Speaker 2: Buffalo doesn't have that, but Miami does.

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Speaker 4: That can ultimately spark it too.

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Speaker 1: All right. So, since now we've landed there with a

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Speaker 1: little bit of basketball talk, this fan fest, the Fanatics

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Speaker 1: fan fest produced a lot of storylines. Kevin Durant found

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Speaker 1: out he got traded, talked about the Tyreek Hill thing,

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Speaker 1: a little bit. It was interesting. Tom Brady was speaking

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Speaker 1: and said that he hopes that fans are enjoying watching

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Speaker 1: Lebron James because he's the greatest. But that was interesting.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people who grew up with Michael Jordan

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Speaker 1: and watching him, they would argue that, of course you

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Speaker 1: could go to Kobe, and you go to Wilt and

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Speaker 1: Bill Russell. There's all kinds of names you could throw

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Speaker 1: out there. Got me thinking who didn't I appreciate maybe

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Speaker 1: as much as I should have when I was younger.

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Speaker 1: I would say it's probably Michael Jordan if you want

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Speaker 1: to stay with the basketball thing, because he played the

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Speaker 1: Cavs and the absolutely absolutely devastated my childhood because he

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Speaker 1: knocked him out of the playoffs every single year, just

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Speaker 1: tormented them. Then it got me thinking about the Bills. Sure,

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Speaker 1: you know what player did I maybe not appreciate as

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Speaker 1: much as I should have. And I'm gonna start with

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Speaker 1: you. You give me your guy first. Is there a Bills

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Speaker 1: player that you look back and go, you know what?

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Speaker 1: He was better than maybe I thought he.

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Speaker 2: Though, So I'll borrow Jay Harris, the producer here. He said,

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Speaker 2: Eric molds, that's a good one. I think that's a

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Speaker 2: really good one. I mean, he led the league in

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Speaker 2: or he was second in the league in receiving yards

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Speaker 2: one year. Kind of played at the end of the

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Speaker 2: nineties into the two thousands on some not very good teams,

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Speaker 2: but in terms of size and speed and aggression and

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Speaker 2: yards after the catchability, he was as good as any

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Speaker 2: wide receiver in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Just got overshadowed on like three.

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Speaker 2: And thirteen teams and those teams that really never got

655
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Speaker 2: going in the early two thousands. My answer because I

656
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: saw someone tweet this recently.

657
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Speaker 4: I think it was.

658
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Speaker 2: Joe Dibiassi from WGR, Like, which bill do you think

659
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Speaker 2: is the most underappreciated I think it's Tyrod Taylor. Like

660
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Speaker 2: Tyrod Taylor, especially because right after him came Josh Allen

661
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: and it was like, oh my god, this guy significantly better.

662
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Speaker 4: He wins the MVP whatever.

663
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Speaker 2: Those years with Tyrod Taylor and being a former six

664
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Speaker 2: round pick and not having a great receiver group, Sammy

665
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: Watkins fizzled out pretty quickly. Robert Woods was really the

666
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: most consistent guy during that stretch, and even though those

667
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: offenses were not potent, he was the quarterback that broke

668
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: the playoff drought and was really good with his legs.

669
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Speaker 2: Did have a couple three hundred yard games when there

670
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: was a long like fifteen year stretch where no Bills

671
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: quarterback had a three hundred yard game.

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Speaker 4: Tyrod Taylor to me playing the game's most difficult position.

673
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Speaker 2: To go from Rex Ryan to year one of Sean McDermott,

674
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Speaker 2: and to be the quarterback of that team that finally

675
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 2: got to the playoffs after eighteen seasons. I think he's

676
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Speaker 2: pretty underrated in Bill's history.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I think I think the names I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: mention it will surprise you because two of them were

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Speaker 1: here recently, and I think they got a ton of

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00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: fan fair when they were here and a ton of respect.

681
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I truly appreciated how great Micah

682
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: hyd and Jordan Poyer wre oohooes. I mean, you know

683
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Speaker 1: what they meant for this team and this organization. You know, Look,

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Speaker 1: I know that we always talk about how good they are,

685
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Speaker 1: but when you really really think about what they meant

686
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: to this defense and what Sean McDermott asked of these safeties,

687
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: like it's almost like you always hear people talk about

688
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: you never want to be the guy who replaces the coach.

689
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Speaker 1: You know, you never want to be that guy. You

690
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: always want to be the guy who replaced the guy.

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Speaker 1: And to me, I mean, you want to talk about

692
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: in an enviable task. I mean Taylor Rapp and Cole Bishop.

693
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: I mean trying to follow in those guys footsteps. I

694
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Speaker 1: just think that Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer, their greatness.

695
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Speaker 6: Is just.

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Speaker 1: It is off the charts. They were so good. I

697
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: mean the way they were able to communicate without saying

698
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: a word with each other. It was like they were

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Speaker 1: on a string playing together.

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Speaker 2: What I would say too, I'm not going to necessarily

701
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: boast that the Bills started this positionless trend at safety,

702
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: but if we think back when they were signed in

703
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, I remember covering the full NFL for CBS

704
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: then and it was who's the strong safety, who's the

705
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: free safety? In Buffalo. You never knew that right away,

706
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: and I just looked it up and just did the

707
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 2: math quickly. Thirty two regular season interceptions in a five

708
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 2: year stretch for both of those players, thirty two interceptions,

709
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Speaker 2: and like I mentioned earlier, they were always near the

710
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Speaker 2: top of the league either at the top or in

711
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: the top three of fewest big plays allowed. They were,

712
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: whether it was Hide playing free safety or it was

713
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: Poyer back there. Later into their careers, Poyer kind of

714
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: became more of a linebacker. But I think they helped

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Speaker 2: to usher in what is now ubiquitous in the NFL

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Speaker 2: where safeties are kind of wearing all the hats. You're

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00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: not just a strong safety, You're not just a free safety.

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Speaker 2: So I think the communication key is probably overlooked with

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Speaker 2: how good those two.

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Speaker 1: Were and just what Sean and this defense demands out

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Speaker 1: of that position. I'm going to give you one more name,

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Speaker 1: and he's actually on the roster currently, and we talk

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Speaker 1: about him a ton. We talk about him a ton

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Speaker 1: for what he does on the field and off the field,

725
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Speaker 1: and he's all over the place. He does interviews everywhere nationally, locally,

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00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: Dion Dawkins, and I think a lot of it's because

727
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: of the position he plays, right, I know, it's left tackle,

728
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: so it's your premier offensive lineman position. I don't know

729
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Speaker 1: if we're truly appreciating what Dion has meant for this

730
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Speaker 1: offensive line. I mean, he has been look, he took

731
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: over for Cordy Glenn and and it left tackle has

732
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: never been the same for the Bills. It just and

733
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Speaker 1: giving that Josh Allen on the backside, just knowing I'm

734
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Speaker 1: good because I've got Dion back there.

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Speaker 4: That last point is perfect.

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Speaker 2: And I've never I don't think I've ever heard Dean

737
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Speaker 2: Dawkins in this kind of label of oh, hey, he's underrated,

738
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Speaker 2: But I think it's actually spot on because think about

739
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 2: how many teams with good quarterbacks over your whole football

740
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: watching life. Oh he's a great quarterback, but the left

741
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: tackle is so bad. He gets hit way too much.

742
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Speaker 4: They have to bring in a veteran and then he

743
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 4: gets hurt a CJ.

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Speaker 1: Str Yeah, how important it is, Yeah.

745
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: Exactly to bring it to the modern day. I mean

746
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: last year CJ. Strod regressed that was an abomination of

747
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: an offensive line. The left tackle situation in Houston is

748
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: still not very good. The Bills have not had that

749
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Speaker 2: problem in like six years now. And he is a

750
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 2: leader vocally on the field. Off the field. He does

751
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: so much charity work in this area, and whether it

752
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: comes to the run game or protecting Josh Allen, he

753
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 2: has emerged as a top what five to ten left

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Speaker 2: tackle in the NFL. At times he's absolutely ely and

755
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: at worst he's still an upper tier player. I think

756
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: that's a really good call because that position can ultimately

757
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 2: derail a really good quarterback, and he came to form

758
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: as Josh Allen was really maturing as a quarterback. If

759
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 2: that was a problem position in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,

760
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, even when Josh Allen got a few MVP votes,

761
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he ultimately would have gotten though.

762
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Speaker 2: So Deon Dawkins, that's a really good one. You don't

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Speaker 2: usually hear that, but to.

764
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Speaker 4: Have a rock solid left tackle that doesn't get.

765
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Speaker 2: In trouble, but he's he's speaking, he's not afraid to

766
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: bring things up with Michael Clemens of the Jets, I

767
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: think is invaluable to a team. You're right, I think

768
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Speaker 2: Dean Dawkins is ultimately underappreciated.

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Speaker 1: And I think what the Bills, what Sean, what Brandon?

770
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Speaker 1: What they've done to allow Dion to be Dion has

771
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Speaker 1: helped him in his ris great because they really have

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Speaker 1: they you know, because Dion, you know, he's out I

773
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Speaker 1: mean he's out there like.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna be big on hard Kno.

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Speaker 1: He's Oh, he's gonna be huge on Hard Knocks. They

776
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Speaker 1: should just dedicate one camera to following him around because

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00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: he's he He is a one man show and the

778
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Speaker 1: kind of the culture that they've given him to be

779
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Speaker 1: to be able to be his own person, because look, Dion,

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Speaker 1: I think if he was bought, like, if he ends

781
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: up in another team and they're not as stable as

782
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Speaker 1: the Bills are, maybe they try to box him in

783
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: a little bit and don't let him be himself. And

784
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Speaker 1: I think that translates onto the field.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

786
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Speaker 2: I think it probably starts with Josh Allen, but number

787
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Speaker 2: two in terms of the culture that we hear so

788
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 2: much about from Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean in Buffalo.

789
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Speaker 2: And for as much as it can seem hey, it's

790
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 2: not really important, I think it is important here. Dean

791
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: Dawkins really ushers that in for the new wave of

792
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 2: rookies every year for veterans, that it's fun but also

793
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: serious when they need to be that. It's not you

794
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: know the Bill Belichick Patriots where the second people leave

795
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, that was terrible.

796
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 4: I hated that.

797
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 2: It's fun, it's energetic, it's passionate, and I think Dean

798
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: Dawkins embodies that probably as much as Josh Allen does.

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Speaker 1: Are there any current players on the roster right now

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Speaker 1: where you look at and you go, maybe we don't

801
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: really appreciate them as much as we should because I,

802
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Speaker 1: like I said, I think Dion is one of those

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Speaker 1: guys that I don't know what they're gonna do at

804
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: the new stadium. I don't know if there's gonna be

805
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: a wall of fame. I don't know if there's gonna

806
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: be some sort of monument or whatever. But I think

807
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 1: you know, when you go down the list of guys

808
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: on this current roster, obviously Josh Allen's number one mm hm,

809
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: but to me, Dion follows him right into that list.

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00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: That's that's probably true in terms of anyone else on

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Speaker 2: the current roster. Before he signed the big contract, I

812
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: would have said Christian Benford, I mean, his first two

813
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: or three seasons in Buffalo, I was like, man, this

814
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: guy is locking down everyone. He's playing great zone. He's

815
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: an awesome tackler. So many cornerbacks in today's NFL they

816
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: can cover, they can make plays on the football, but

817
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: when it comes to tackling, they're like, I don't really

818
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: want to try to tackle great tackler, and I think

819
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: the to get that contract done for a former sixth

820
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: rounder from Villanova that I thought, and a lot of

821
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: people thought was gonna have to play safety because he

822
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 2: wasn't quite athletic enough plays with that chip on his shoulder.

823
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: I think now because of the money, we understand how

824
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: good he is. But leading up until that point, I

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00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: would have said Christian Benford.

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Speaker 1: Two guys on the opposite end of the spectrum when

827
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Speaker 1: it comes to.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I know Christian Beer's voice.

829
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Speaker 1: Benford on the other one. All Right, we're gonna take

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00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: a quick break. More One Bill's Live coming up after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to One Bill's Live, presented by Calida Healtham

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00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: Josh reedsit alongside Christoph Passo. Netflix coming out with a

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00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: new show, although it was taped during last season. Aptly

834
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: named Quarterback because they followed around three quarterbacks. It was

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Jared Goff, who was number three, coins Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins was good. A couple of years ago. He

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Speaker 1: was part of a behind the scenes look and I

838
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: thought he was pretty interesting. Joe Burrow is always an

839
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: interesting guy too like he is. He's a unique character.

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Speaker 1: He is.

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00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: He definitely really is. He's budding with confidence but not

842
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: afraid to be in front of the camera and have

843
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: some controversial takes about his own organization and playing quarterback

844
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Speaker 2: in today's NFL. I think the Kirk Cousins, Michael Penni's

845
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 2: taking over him getting benched late in the season when

846
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: the Falcons were in the heat of the NFC South

847
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: playoff race, and then certainly Jared Goff leading that Lions

848
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Speaker 2: team to their best season in pretty much NFL or

849
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: in their history or last fifty years will be really fascinating.

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00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: So that show shows the ins and outs of what

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00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: happens on Mondays and Tuesdays and with their wives and

852
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: with their family, and how much goes into the training

853
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 2: room of that, you know, the toughest position to play,

854
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: I think in all of sports, will be really fascinating

855
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: to watch it. I'm looking forward to see when Netflix

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00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 2: announces who they're following this upcoming season at the quarterback spot.

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Speaker 1: Is there a name that you would want to see?

858
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: You know? The name that comes to the top of

859
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: my head is Justin Herbert because he's so good. But

860
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: he hasn't really really peaked, and now you got to

861
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: kind of wonder, the way Jim Harbaugh does things, are

862
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: we ever gonna see him.

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00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 4: A lot of storylines, possibility, a lot of storylines.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, maybe it's because we're East coast

865
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: and their West coast that we don't get as many

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00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: headlines with them, But I would Justin Herbert somebody that

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Speaker 1: I'd like to kind of see behind the mask a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

869
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because to me, in terms of just looking at

870
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: it through like a draft lens, I'm like, this guy

871
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: is an elite quarterback, but the results haven't quite been there,

872
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: and then in the playoffs certainly not.

873
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 4: I was actually gonna say him.

874
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: My number two would be Trevor Lawrence for kind of

875
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: the same reasons, where you know, highly anointed high school

876
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: recruit and then certainly prospect like was like the next

877
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: Andrew Luck got to the one playoff. Berth had that

878
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: crazy comeback against Justin Herbert, but has really not lived

879
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: up to all the hype. Now he gets Liam Cohen

880
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: as his head coach, he gets Travis Hunter. I want

881
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 2: to see what transpires this sea, which is a pretty

882
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: big season I think for both those quarterbacks, Justin Herbert

883
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: and Trevors.

884
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: Be fast, right, I mean, because Sean Payton, as we

885
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: all know, he's got a lot of personality. Bow Knicks

886
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: seems to have a matching personality. Kind of intense guy

887
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: coming off of a really good season turned that program around.

888
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: So I think bow Knicks would be interesting when you

889
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: start kind of going down the pecking order. I mean

890
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: outside of the bigger names. You know, Lamar would be

891
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: kind of cool.

892
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: Is there another one, one other one that in the

893
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 2: same division as the as the Broncos and the Chiefs.

894
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind seeing Geno Smith in Las Vegas resurrection

895
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: the resurrection like he already went through it in Seattle

896
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: that he really resurrected his career. But now beyond just

897
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: Gino Smith, I want to see the interaction between him

898
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: and Chip Kelly, the offensive coordinator, and Pete Carroll and

899
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: everything that's going on. That's new Tom Brady minority owner.

900
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 2: But is he really kind of the calling the shots

901
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: owner in Las Vegas? I think that would be fascinating

902
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: as those teams try to dethron in the Chiefs, and

903
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: this Raiders team looks a lot better on paper than

904
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: it did even like six or seven months ago.

905
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: I got a Pete Carroll story for you. Bear with

906
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: me here. I think it was pretty good. This was

907
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: back when he was the head coach at USC, so

908
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: Penn State. I was covering Penn State. Penn State plays

909
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: USC and the Rose Bowl.

910
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 4: Right, this is Michael Robinson.

911
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,479
Speaker 1: This was Yes Yes team. So this was a really

912
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: good Penn State team, but this was a juggernaut of

913
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: a US team. So we go, You're allowed to go

914
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: to the practice and everything. We go to the Penn

915
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: State practice. We were allowed to watch all of about

916
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: three minutes of it before Joe was like, get him

917
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: out of here. So we left. We go over to

918
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: USC's practice. Pete Carroll, we pull in and we're like,

919
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: what are they doing out there? They were playing wiffle ball?

920
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 4: And that was that the media viewing portions.

921
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were playing. They were playing wiffle ball.

922
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 4: That did peak Carroll.

923
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: They had they had the guys out there and they're

924
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: running the base, they is down, they're playing. It was

925
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: really kind of a cool, like inside look on how

926
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: there's different ways to approach different programs and still have

927
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: success on the field. And you then you know all

928
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: these years later you see Pete Carroll and you hear

929
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: the stories about him, and he's true to himself. I

930
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: mean he's going to bring that culture now to the Raiders. Yeah.

931
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 2: And I think the Bills tie in is that maybe

932
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: Sean McDermott and company aren't quite as lax, but Pete

933
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 2: Carroll has withstood the test of time that you can

934
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: be that player coach and play wiffle ball and have

935
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: a ping pong table in the locker room and have

936
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: a lot of fun and still be hyper successful like

937
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: he was at USC, he was in Seattle, and it'll

938
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: be interesting to see how now in his seventies he's

939
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: able to turn around this organization in Las Vegas. It's

940
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: very similar to what Sean McDermott is. Okay, with Dion

941
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: Dawkins being himself and Josh Allen having a handshake with

942
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: everyone on the team. It doesn't necessarily need to be

943
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: a military type, super hyper disciplinarian set up to still

944
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: ultimately win a lot of football games.

945
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,239
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946
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948
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949
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950
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951
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952
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: back to One Bill's Live. Josh Reed alongside Christopasso sitting

953
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: in for the crew. We're enjoying the summer. Hope everybody

954
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: out there is staying cool, finding a way to stay cool.

955
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: We've actually got some callers on the line. Uh, We're

956
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: gonna take Kevin from Hamburg first. He wants to talk

957
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: a little bit about what makes the best rivalries. Kevin,

958
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: good afternoon, How you doing good?

959
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 4: Thanks for calling in.

960
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 3: I'm good.

961
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 6: I think all this is a live thing to make

962
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 6: good ribraries. You're talking about the differences of the city Buffalo, hardworking,

963
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 6: blue collar town, Miami, flashy South Beach obviously weatherwise, could

964
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 6: be the differences of the city you're taking example Dallas

965
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 6: and Texas against San Francisco and liberal Mary and liberal

966
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 6: blues California. You know, country music versus rock and roll

967
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 6: and all the hippie stuff that went on and different.

968
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 6: But also could be who takes the best pinup board

969
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 6: material too, You know, who could be the most, like

970
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 6: the half fields of McCoy's of sports. That makes a

971
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 6: big difference, you know what I mean? That could also be.

972
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good that's a good point. I mean

973
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: when you take it even outside of the NFL and

974
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: you look at the Lakers and Celtics. Yeah, I mean

975
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: Boston in la Is. I mean that's about the same

976
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: as almost Buffalo and Miami. When you start looking at

977
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: rivalries like that. We got another caller. We're gonna go

978
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: Tom on the West side. Tom, you want to talk

979
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: about rivalries as well. What do you got Tom?

980
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 3: Good afternoon? Young man?

981
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: Oh, I appreciate that.

982
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: I am.

983
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I was young from my point of view,

984
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: you are, yeah, I guess from some I'll take it.

985
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 3: Okay, you already touchdown saw that. I'm going to start

986
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 3: with fisticuffs because once they start battling, that carries over

987
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 3: to the next game. Now, you got to play each

988
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 3: other a couple of times a year two because that way,

989
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 3: you build up the animosity during the season to get

990
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 3: ready for that next game. Then that starts coming in

991
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 3: with the dissing of the fans. And I hated Brian

992
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: Cox as much as anybody back in the day, but

993
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: I sure did wish I had him on my team.

994
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point. That's a really really valid

995
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: point because so often the players that we dislike the most,

996
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: you kind of wish you had them like that, they'd

997
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: be your favorite player if they were on your team.

998
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that proves that Brian Cox was a really

999
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: good player in his own right. It's one thing if

1000
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 2: someone who's not seeing the field makes it comment about

1001
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 2: the city of Buffalo, then you're like, okay, whatever, you

1002
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: totally dismiss it. But when you're Tyreek Hill or when

1003
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 2: you're Brian Cox, then it has a little bit more

1004
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: juice to it. So that's a really really good call

1005
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 2: to me. What I kind of wish that the Bills

1006
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: in the Chiefs rivalry was a little more heated. We've

1007
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 2: seen them play so much. Maybe because there's so much

1008
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: of a disparity where the Bills have not beaten them

1009
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 2: in the playoffs and the Bills always beat the Chiefs

1010
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: in the regular season, it seems like the Chiefs Bengals

1011
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: has gotten to be more of We see some bolten

1012
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: board conversation that's pre whether it's in the playoffs or

1013
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: in the regular season from Jamar Chase or someone on

1014
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: the chief side. It's almost like the Bills and the

1015
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: Chiefs have this mutual respect and Mahomes and Allen aren't

1016
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 2: really at each other's throats.

1017
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 4: They're like good friends.

1018
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: That's like, if we're going to talk about rivalries, I think,

1019
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 2: what's one that seems to make a lot of sense?

1020
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 2: These too heavyweights in the AFC going at it that

1021
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: are seemingly always playing in tight games.

1022
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 4: I think, I mean, maybe I'm wrong.

1023
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 2: What do you think about it that the Bill's Chiefs

1024
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: kind of lacks a little bit in terms of what

1025
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 2: it could be given the quarterbacks and the successes of

1026
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: both franchise.

1027
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of hate. No, there's a lot

1028
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: of respect. And I think some of that has to

1029
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 1: do with the fan bases.

1030
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 4: I heard that.

1031
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: I feel like the fan bases in general get along

1032
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: with each other.

1033
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 4: They're similar big the big tailgating and I think.

1034
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: There's you know, some respect there when it comes to

1035
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: the head coaches, and let's face you know the other

1036
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: thing is Sean Brandon. This organization doesn't let a lot

1037
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: of the the bulletin board material come from here.

1038
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 4: That's true.

1039
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: It doesn't come from here. It doesn't. The only thing

1040
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: you can really go back and look at is Dion

1041
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: with the Jets, like he's pretty wide open when it

1042
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: comes to his distaste, uh, you know, for the Jets.

1043
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: But other than that, you don't you don't get a

1044
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff. You don't get a lot of

1045
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: those quotes throughout the week where.

1046
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: You go, yeah, I think speaking of the Jets, if

1047
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: the Jets had more stability at quarterback, which I think

1048
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: is a sentence that Jets fans have been uttering for

1049
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: forty years and they haven't had it, if they had

1050
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: more stability at quarterback, the Jets Bills could have a

1051
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: lot of legitimate juice because the Jets have beaten the

1052
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: Bills a couple of times, usually at home. But they've

1053
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 2: given Josh Allen some troubles with the Foig interception game

1054
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: two years ago the year before where he hurt his

1055
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: arm on the last couple throws of the game. That

1056
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 2: defensive front, even Robert Salid did a I think a

1057
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: great job relative to other quarterbacks. And then you have

1058
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 2: the Michael Clemens and you have the fight with Dion

1059
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: Dawkins where there's actual fisticuffs like that color mentioned in games.

1060
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 2: So that's what's been lacking, is that in general, the

1061
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: Bills are winning those games and the quarterbacks are just

1062
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson to god knows who it could be this year.

1063
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: Is it justin Fields, is it someone else. That's what's

1064
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 2: ultimately lacked. But I think that's on the precipice of

1065
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: being a legitimate rivalry. If the Jets ultimately he solve

1066
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: what has been the franchise's biggest problem, the quarterback spot.

1067
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: The right ingredients were there, yes, because Aaron Rodgers and

1068
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: Robert Slid would have been like if they were better,

1069
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: that would have been It would have been fun. That

1070
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: would have been fun. I think with Mike Rabel in

1071
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: the way that he is, I think the Patriots have

1072
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: a sneaky chance to become that team because I think

1073
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: when you look at this division, I think we're seeing

1074
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: I think we're seeing the Patriots ascending in the Dolphins descending.

1075
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: I think we could be looking as early as this

1076
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: year as the number two team in this division becoming

1077
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 1: the Patriots. And Mike Rabel is everything about him. He's

1078
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: a big dude, he looks tough, he played obviously, he

1079
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 1: was a champion.

1080
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 6: You know.

1081
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: He's an agitator. He really is. Now, I don't know

1082
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: enough about Drake May or their roster when it now

1083
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: They've got digs now, so I mean they have the

1084
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: ingredients when you look at Rabel them adding Diggs. I

1085
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: don't know Drake May and his personality enough to know

1086
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: that he could be a little bit of an annoyance.

1087
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think the Patriots could end up being

1088
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: that team that could become a real heated rival.

1089
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1090
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 4: That is probably the best call of the show so far.

1091
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 2: The Dean Dawkins call is also very good, but that one,

1092
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: I think, especially with Rabel coming from the Bill Belichick

1093
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 2: coaching tree, you know, he's going to know every little

1094
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 2: loophole in the rule book of what he can do

1095
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: to get an extra you know, rest for an offensive

1096
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 2: lineman who's hurt, anything like that. Things that used to

1097
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: bug and drive Bills fans crazy when Tom Brady was

1098
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 2: winning all those games in Buffalo and against the Bills.

1099
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: And I think Drake May his personality, I can't say,

1100
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 2: like I know how he is personally, but in terms

1101
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 2: of his talent, he's a pretty prodigious talent. He is big,

1102
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: he's got a strong arm he can run a little bit,

1103
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: and I think the roster is still a year and

1104
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: that's probably being nice, probably two or three years away

1105
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: from being able to compete with the Bills and the

1106
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 2: Chiefs and the Bengals and the Ravens and the top

1107
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: teams in the AFC. But they can be that pesky

1108
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 2: team that no one wants to play when they're in

1109
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: a race for the number one seed or the number

1110
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: two seed that might knock off a really good team

1111
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 2: late in the season. So the Patriots be on the

1112
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: lookout for them to be kind of on the other

1113
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: side of this rivalry where the Bills are kind of

1114
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: that hunted team at the top and the Patriots are

1115
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 2: the upstart club.

1116
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: And unlike the Chiefs fan base with the Bills fan base,

1117
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any love loss between the Patriots

1118
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: van base and the Bills fan base because the Bills

1119
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: had to sit there and watch them do what they

1120
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: did year after year after year. So yeah, I think

1121
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: that has the potential to become a really fun one

1122
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:55,479
Speaker 1: to watch.

1123
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: So my dad has been a season ticket holder since

1124
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 2: the sixties. He had front row upper deck seats in

1125
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: the current stadium since that stadium open in seventy three.

1126
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: He told me, and this seems crazy to me, but

1127
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: he said, his most satisfying win was that Monday night

1128
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: game in New England, like three or four years ago.

1129
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: Was it during COVID where the Bill's like one like

1130
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 2: thirty thirty four to three? Belichick threw the phone.

1131
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 4: That was the meme.

1132
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he said, even more than going to the

1133
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: super Bowl because he had so he had built up

1134
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 2: so much frustration against the Patriots beating them in primetime

1135
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: in Foxborough where Josh Allen had almost like a perfect

1136
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: quarterback rating, completely shellac the Patriots. He's told me that

1137
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: that was his most satisfying win as the Bills fans.

1138
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: So you're right, there is no love lost between Bills

1139
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: fans and Patriots.

1140
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: And watching, you know, Bills fans being able to watch

1141
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: the breaking point of Bill Belichick had to just be

1142
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: one of the most satisfying, one of the most satisfying moments.

1143
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I go back to, you know, one of

1144
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: the big things right now as everybody wants to talk

1145
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: about most memorable games and everything at the stadium as

1146
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: we head into the last year at high Mark, and

1147
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: the perfect game was just about as good as you're

1148
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: gonna get, and the fact that it came against them

1149
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: is just I mean, that's just the cherry on time.

1150
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 2: For me as a lifelong Bills fan. That was because

1151
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: I don't really remember fifty one to three Raiders. I

1152
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: was like three years old. That was the most satisfying

1153
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 2: win the not the analyst side of me, but the

1154
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: Bills fan side of me that was born and raised

1155
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 2: in this crazy Bills fan household, seeing that perfect game

1156
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 2: and it just it felt like the Bills had won

1157
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Obviously the next week was thirteen seconds.

1158
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 2: They didn't ultimately get there, but that utter domination offensively

1159
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: against the coach that a lot of people think might

1160
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 2: be the best defensive mind in NFL history, The ease

1161
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 2: at which Josh Allen and Devin Singletary and they had

1162
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 2: no answers, zero answers for that crew the entire game

1163
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: at night it was freezing out.

1164
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 4: That was my most satisfying victory.

1165
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I think there's certainly it's kind of

1166
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: budding that the Bill's Patriots could kind of become that

1167
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 2: really heated rivalry, which it really wasn't in the two thousands.

1168
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 2: But I think it could be really interesting, especially with

1169
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 2: a Bill Belichick disciple as a head coach and a

1170
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 2: pretty talented quarterback in Drake May.

1171
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 4: And then you throw in Stefan Diggs.

1172
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Drake May to your point, I

1173
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: think he's got a legit chance to be really, very

1174
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: very good. We're already talking about the division right now,

1175
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: so let's just stay there. You did an article about players,

1176
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong drafted outside of the first

1177
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: round that you think have a chance to really really

1178
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: make an impact inside the division. You already mentioned TJ.

1179
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: Sanders for the Bills, or there are a couple of

1180
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: give us some other names around the division who you

1181
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: think could really stand out coming up this season.

1182
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 2: So I went with kind of the low hanging fruit

1183
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: second rounder for the Patriots, Travon Henderson, the running back

1184
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 2: from Ohio State. Really interesting story, but I think it

1185
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: actually bodes well for Henderson going into the NFL that

1186
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 2: after his freshman season at Ohio State, he was like

1187
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 2: the number one recruit in the country, goes Ohio State.

1188
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 4: He's the lead back. After that, he was never really

1189
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 4: the lead guy.

1190
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 2: He is not coming into the NFL with a thousand

1191
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: carries on his legs, great in the screen game. He's

1192
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: an awesome pass protector, and you'll hear the old school

1193
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 2: coaches say, oh, hey, you know, if running backs want

1194
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 2: to get on the field, they have to be great

1195
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: in pass protection.

1196
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 4: Henderson is.

1197
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 2: He's coming into the league with a lot of awareness

1198
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 2: of exotic blitzes and he's not afraid to throw his

1199
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 2: weight around. He's also a sub four or five guy,

1200
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 2: very explosive. So he's early second rounder. Obviously, the Patriots

1201
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: are probably excited about him. But I think in terms

1202
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 2: of earning a key role as part of a new

1203
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: regime that has no ties to Remandre Stevenson or any

1204
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 2: of the other running backs, Trevion Henderson could be that.

1205
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 2: You know it's third and eight, you think the Bills

1206
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 2: or whatever team are going to get off the field.

1207
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 2: A little dump off to Henderson makes two guys miss

1208
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 2: hits a fifteen yard game. I think that is really

1209
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 2: going to be his bread and butter early in his

1210
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 2: NFL career.

1211
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: And he goes to a good coach.

1212
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 4: We talked a little bit about Grabel's a great coach.

1213
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel there. I mean that we saw what he

1214
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: did with Derrick Henry with the Titans. So I mean

1215
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna give opportunity was running back. I

1216
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: mean he's he's and he's gonna use I would think

1217
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: Traveon Henderson to take some of the burden off of

1218
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: Drake May because he's got such a young quarterback. So

1219
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: why not ease a little bit of that burden from

1220
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: him and put it on your young running back.

1221
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1222
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And and like he understands, he was integral and

1223
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 2: that resurgence for Ryan Tannehill going from the Dolphins to Tennessee.

1224
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 2: Not to say that Ryan Tannehill was was a phony.

1225
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: I mean he played good football, but a lot of

1226
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: it was Mike Rabel understood we have Dereck Henry Bick here.

1227
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: We're gonna run the football, we're gonna play good defense,

1228
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 2: we're gonna know every single loophole in the rule book,

1229
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,439
Speaker 2: and we're gonna get the most out of this team.

1230
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 2: So I think that is a really good point that

1231
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: having that style of head coach and this running back,

1232
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: it's not gonna just be Hey, Drake May, we picked

1233
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: you number three overall two years ago.

1234
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 4: It's on you.

1235
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 2: You're gonna throw it six hundred times this year, and

1236
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna live and die off your arm every single

1237
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 2: week entering year two for him. So I think Travion

1238
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 2: Henderson and Mike Rabel that's gonna be a legitimate tandem

1239
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: that the Bills and the rest of the AFC are

1240
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 2: gonna have to deal with for a long time.

1241
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: Who was your Jets player they drafted outside of the

1242
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,479
Speaker 1: first round, who you think can come in you're number

1243
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: one and have an impact. And the guy that maybe

1244
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about early.

1245
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: On, Tyler barn He's a fifth round pick out of Miami.

1246
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 2: He is a He kind of fits the Jets mold perfectly.

1247
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: He's big, thick, long, powerful. He's not a crazy athlete,

1248
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 2: but uses his hands well. And that, like I mentioned

1249
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: it earlier, the Jets, if they've had one really positive

1250
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 2: element to their team, specifically the last three or four

1251
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 2: years from the Robert Salad era to now, the defensive

1252
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: front has been ferocious, and they they did lose some

1253
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 2: pieces up there. They don't have Hassan Redick, they don't

1254
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 2: have Bryce Huff. They do have Will McDonald, the former

1255
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 2: first rounder who played well last year. The two or

1256
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 2: three years ago, Jermaine Johnson who had played really well

1257
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 2: got hurt last season. They need some more edge rushing presence.

1258
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 2: Tyler barn to me, can be that, along with Michael Clemens,

1259
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: that big, like in your face, ultra physical edge rusher

1260
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: on a team that maybe only trumped by the Bills,

1261
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 2: wants to rotate their defensive line as much as any

1262
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 2: team in the NFL.

1263
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: All right, finally, let's go down south to South Beach

1264
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. What is there a player on their roster

1265
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: that they drafted this past draft class where you look

1266
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: at and go, that guy's got potential to make some

1267
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:30,919
Speaker 1: big play.

1268
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go the pick right before Travon Henderson,

1269
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 2: Joe their offensive lineman, Jonah Savi and Nea Arizona. I

1270
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 2: was just totally blanket on where he went to college.

1271
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 2: I just watched him Arizona offensive lineman. And here's the

1272
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 2: reason why the Dolphins you mentioned, and I think it's

1273
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 2: it's an astute point that the Dolphins feel like they've

1274
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: reached their peak and they're kind of on the downturn

1275
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 2: they had over the last three or four years. In

1276
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 2: this Mike McDaniel era a finesse game, speed, get on

1277
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: the perimeter, Devon ah Chan Wattle, Henderson. They didn't really

1278
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 2: have a great offensive or defensive line. The first round,

1279
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 2: they picked Kenneth Grant, the guy that we talked about

1280
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,479
Speaker 2: for so long during the pre draft process, big body

1281
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 2: nose tackle. In round two, they pick a collegiate offensive

1282
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 2: tackle three hundred and twenty plus pounds in Saviannaya.

1283
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 4: Who's probably gonna play guard.

1284
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna necessarily say or think that two

1285
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 2: rookies are going to come in and totally transform this team.

1286
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 2: But to pick a three hundred and forty pound nose

1287
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 2: to tackle in round one and almost a three hundred

1288
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 2: and thirty pound offensive lineman in round two makes me

1289
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 2: think that this organization in Miami and their GM Chris

1290
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: Greer want to change the philosophy and be a little

1291
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: bit more formidable in the trenches. So Savianaa, I liked

1292
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: him at Arizona a lot. He's good in pass protection,

1293
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 2: pretty powerful, being three hundred and thirty pounds. He's someone

1294
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 2: that I think, I don't know if again he's gonna

1295
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 2: transform the unit, but I think the Dolphins will be

1296
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 2: more formidable upfront on both sides of the ball, which

1297
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 2: has really held them back, held to a back and

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01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 2: held this team from really winning more than eight or

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01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 2: nine games a season.

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Speaker 1: All right, we got a call. We got time to

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Speaker 1: squeeze in a call. I do believe. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: Mike and Blaisdell. He wants to talk about the historic rivalries. Mike,

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Speaker 1: what do you got for us?

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Speaker 3: How you doing?

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Speaker 7: I got a couple things? Okay, historic rivalry real quick.

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01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 7: There's no rivalry better than the Bills and the Dolphins.

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01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 7: My favorite game UH in rich Stadium at the time

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01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 7: was nineteen eighty against Miami where we finally beat them

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01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 7: and took on and beat the you know and beat

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01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 7: the what is it twenty games in a row. Number

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01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 7: three Tyreek Hill and Jalen Ramsey. The one thing I

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01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 7: can say about them, everyone says that they are the

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01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 7: really great. They are really great when they're playing against

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01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 7: average players. They stink when they're playing against good players.

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01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 7: Look at Jalen Ramsey, how many times he has been

1316
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 7: burnt by Stefan Diggs. Every time that a number one

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01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 7: receiver goes up against him, they beat him royal. So

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Speaker 7: that's my Those are my Those are my points. Last thing,

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Speaker 7: the second, uh great, greatest UH game that I ever

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01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 7: saw was the only Monday night football game that John

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01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 7: Madden never won. It was against the Bills, Bills and

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01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 7: the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: Great. I got great, great call, Mike, And I think this.

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Speaker 1: I think this comes back to fans being part of

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01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: the fuel, part of the rivalry, because you could hear

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Speaker 1: it in his voice, his lack of love for Tyreek

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01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: killing Jalen Ramsey. We got one more call. Let's get

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01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: to a j all the way down in Florida, a J.

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 3: Hi, guys?

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Speaker 8: How are you doing good? The reason I'm calling is, uh,

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01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 8: you know, a lot have been made made about the

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01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 8: running back position and the wide receiver position for the Bills.

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01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 8: For example, I thought the Bills might have made a

1335
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 8: mistake a few years ago when they had a chance

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01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 8: to get Aaron Henry. Some people may have thought he

1337
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 8: was sliding at that time, but boy, would he have

1338
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,759
Speaker 8: been a tremendous acquisition for the Bills with that speed

1339
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 8: and strength. And do you really think now? Another thing

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01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 8: I'm hearing negative negatively is about the the running back position. Uh,

1341
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 8: excuse you. At the wide receiver position. We picked up

1342
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 8: Elijah More. Some people think he could be that person.

1343
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 8: Others think I mean he made a mistake with not

1344
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 8: taken Worthy. But even though he had twenty more past

1345
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 8: receptions than Keyon Coleman last year, Kean Coleman had I

1346
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 8: think twenty one more yards about twenty eight yard more

1347
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 8: yards or so eighteen more yards are so total than

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01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 8: Xavier Worthy had. Do you think we have the person

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01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,560
Speaker 8: in Elijah More to do the job? And what do

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01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,799
Speaker 8: you think about my statement about Aaron Henry?

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01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 4: Thank you.

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01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you meet Derek Henry Derrick. I think you

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01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: mean Derek Okay, yeah, with Derrick Henry. Look, Brandon Beans

1354
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: brought this up several times. Look, you you can't have

1355
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: a future Hall of Famer at every single position. It's

1356
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: just it's just not doable. You look at you know,

1357
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: you paid Josh Allen what you have to pay him,

1358
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: and then you try to pet you look at the

1359
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: Bills offensive line and what you're paying some of those

1360
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 1: guys up front rightfully, so so you you know, at

1361
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: some point you got to pick and choose exactly where

1362
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: you're going to spend the money. Dereck Henry just got

1363
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: a contract extension, and you know he's getting paid like

1364
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: one of the top running backs in the NFL because

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01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: he is. But at some point, I want to say,

1366
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: at some point, know the tread on the tires will

1367
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: start to run thin. But man, you look at him

1368
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 1: and his offseason workouts. Totally smokes. I mean, he just

1369
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: doesn't look like he's gonna slow down anytime soon. But yeah,

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01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm good with where the Bills aren't running back.

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01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: I mean James Cook, James Cook is a really, really

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01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 1: good running back, and quite frankly, this offensive line is

1373
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: a big reason and Aaron Kromer, their coach, is a

1374
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: big reason why they're able to run the ball as

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01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 1: effectively as they have. You mentioned Elijah Moore. We gotta

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01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 1: go to a break, but we're gonna talk Bill's wide

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01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: receivers and some of the expectations surrounding that position. Group,

1378
01:10:36,720 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: Stick around One Bill's Live. We'll be right back. Welcome

1379
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: back to One Bill's Live, presented by Calia Health, Josh

1380
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: Reeds and alongside Christopasso, getting you through the summer. I

1381
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: hope it's really hot out there today. Hopefully you're in

1382
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: the air conditioning or in a swimming pool somewhere somewhere

1383
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: where it's cool. The collar before the break, wanted to

1384
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the wide receivers. We wanted

1385
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: to save it until after the break because we have

1386
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 1: a lot to say about the wide receiver group. It's July.

1387
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: It's June twenty third right now, one month from today,

1388
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: July twenty third, Day one of practice training camp, Saint

1389
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: John Fisher. I can't believe it's just a month away now.

1390
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: And of course, one of the big position groups that

1391
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: everybody will be watching is the wide receiver group, and

1392
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: there's plenty of storylines coming when it comes to that

1393
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: the wide receivers. Let's start with a guy that I

1394
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 1: had a chance to watch quite a bit at Mandatory

1395
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: Mini camp, and that's Elijah Moore, the guy they brought

1396
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: in really late. They sign him to a one year deal,

1397
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: very give up very little to get him a high

1398
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: upside though when it comes to what he can do.

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01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you look at the quarterbacks he's

1400
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: played with, you know, the Browns and the Jets. You know,

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01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: He's had a chance to talk to him after one

1402
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,560
Speaker 1: of the practices at OTAs and I said, you know,

1403
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 1: I don't want you to throw any of the quarterbacks

1404
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 1: you've had in the past under the bus, but you've

1405
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: got Josh Allen. Now I didn't even get Josh Allen's

1406
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: name out, and the smile on his face you could see,

1407
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: and Dunkirk, it was unbelievable. He was so fired up.

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01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: I do think, I do think that Elijah Moore is

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01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: going to make some noise on this roster, and I

1410
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: think we're going to see it happen at training camp.

1411
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 2: Well, normally a signing read after the draft, whether it's

1412
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 2: a receiver, whether it's a pun or anything, it's like, Okay,

1413
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 2: that guy is probably not gonna play.

1414
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 4: He's like he's a fifth string guy. He's a practice

1415
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 4: by player.

1416
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 2: The way I mean you were there in attendance, talk

1417
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 2: to him, talk to the coach, were part of those

1418
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 2: press conferences. The way that Joe Brady and Sean McDermott

1419
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 2: spoke about Elijah Moore, it feels like they are very

1420
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 2: much invested in him, as much as you can be

1421
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 2: invested in one in a player that's on a one

1422
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 2: year deal. I think what's interesting too, this is a

1423
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,839
Speaker 2: player who was an early second round pick in twenty twenty.

1424
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 4: One and just turned twenty five. He came into the

1425
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 4: league young.

1426
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 2: We kind of have forgotten about him from a league

1427
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,640
Speaker 2: wide perspective because of what you mentioned playing on the

1428
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 2: Jets and Browns with terrible quarterback play, but he's still produced.

1429
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 2: He's been someone that's been a little bit of a

1430
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 2: blip on the radar at times because he's made some

1431
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 2: big plays, because the talent is absolutely there coming from

1432
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 2: Ole Miss in the SEC. So it was just interesting

1433
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,759
Speaker 2: to me looking at those tweets and watching those videos

1434
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 2: that this was not, Hey, you know, we'll see how

1435
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 2: he does, maybe he can contribute here or there. It

1436
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 2: was like, no, we are ready to immerse this guy

1437
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 2: in the offense and for as much as anyone can

1438
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 2: be I don't want to say a focal point, but

1439
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 2: can be part of this everybody eats mentality. It seems

1440
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 2: like this post draft signing of Elijah Moore is very

1441
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 2: much part of the plans for Joe Brady and Josh

1442
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: Allen this season.

1443
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: And he said all the right things when we had

1444
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: a chance to talk to him, why was Buffalo kind

1445
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: of the fit the right place to go? And he said,

1446
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: this is what it's all about. It's all about winning

1447
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: a championship. And you could tell that probably at some

1448
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 1: point early on in his career after you know, stumbling

1449
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: around and fumbling around and the Jets and the Browns organization,

1450
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 1: that he realized when he got inside of these walls, Oh,

1451
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 1: this is what it's supposed to look like. This is

1452
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: the way it's supposed to be run. And I think

1453
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 1: that there's some gratitude for this opportunity, and I think

1454
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: that's going to go a long ways when you start

1455
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: looking at the rest of the position group. Kean Coleman,

1456
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, he was a hot topic all off season long,

1457
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: coming off of a rookie season which was filled with

1458
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 1: ups and downs and injuries. Even you know, we talked

1459
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: about a little bit earlier in the show. He dealt

1460
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 1: with his fair share of injuries. He showed up at camp.

1461
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 1: He's he's gotten bigger, He has got what I'm telling you.

1462
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: He put the he put the work in. Sometimes you

1463
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: hear that, oh they're they're best shave, and they show

1464
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: up and you're like, it looks exactly the same. Keon

1465
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: looks like he's been after it.

1466
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1467
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 2: And what's so interesting is that my theory is that

1468
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 2: the Bills analytics department, headed up by Dennis Locke, toward

1469
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 2: the end of the Digs era, whether they they found

1470
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 2: some algorithm or found some new idea that they pitched

1471
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 2: to the decision makers and the coaching staff and Brandon

1472
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,560
Speaker 2: being like, hey, it's actually better if you have like

1473
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 2: five options who are all like slightly above average, then

1474
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 2: having that Stefan Diggs, that true number one the year

1475
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 2: before or two years before, the Chiefs traded away Tyreek

1476
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 2: Kill and everyone's like, what are the Chiefs doing. They're

1477
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 2: closing their super Bowl window. They won a super Bowl,

1478
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 2: they won two super Bowls without him. So I think

1479
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 2: that Keon Coleman, I personally don't have as much faith

1480
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 2: and confidence in him becoming this amazing wide receiver and

1481
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 2: this true number one that Bills fans and even someone

1482
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 2: like myself have wanted the Bills to have, and a

1483
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 2: homegrown rookie deal type player first or second round pick

1484
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 2: that becomes this fourteen hundred yard player, I don't think

1485
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 2: he has to be to be productive within the offense

1486
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 2: and for the Bills to get the return on investment

1487
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 2: that they want out of a Keyon Coleman when you

1488
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 2: have Khalil Shakir and Josh Palmer we haven't even talked

1489
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 2: about yet today and his high school teammate Elijah Moore,

1490
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,560
Speaker 2: plus the running backs out of the backfield, plus the

1491
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 2: tight ends.

1492
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 4: We haven't even talked about them.

1493
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 2: That is the recipe that the Bills utilized last year

1494
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 2: to score five hundred points, to have thirty receiving and

1495
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 2: rushing touchdowns, and really be the most efficient offense that

1496
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 2: they had been in the Josh Allen era to date.

1497
01:16:56,479 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: And you look at the way offensive coordinator Joe and

1498
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: Josh Allen want to do things. They want to look

1499
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 1: for matchups, Yeah, matchups totally. They want to find out

1500
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: which matchup is best suited for them to manipulate, and

1501
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: that's the one they're gonna go to.

1502
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 4: They were greeting that last year exactly.

1503
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: And one week it may be Keon Coleman. We may

1504
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: see a week where Keon Coleman this year catches eight

1505
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 1: passes on nine targets for one hundred and forty yards

1506
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: and two touchdowns, and it's because the matchup was right.

1507
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 1: And the next week he may get targeted twice and

1508
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: it may be Khalil Shakir. And it's that whole everybody

1509
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: eats mindset, but it's really just a matchup mindset, and

1510
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:38,879
Speaker 1: it's a matchup mindset.

1511
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 2: That's a really good way to frame it and think

1512
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,879
Speaker 2: about how challenging that is for an opposing defensive coordinator.

1513
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 2: The speed at which the NFL season progresses. You're done

1514
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 2: with the game on Sunday, you get off Monday, you're

1515
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 2: watching film. If you're a coach, by Tuesday, you're like,

1516
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 2: all right, let's start game planning for oh Man for

1517
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 2: the raining MVP Josh Allen. We don't know what they're

1518
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 2: going to do, and we don't know which line or

1519
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 2: safety or slot corner or outside corner they're going to

1520
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 2: try to exploit, or maybe the pecking order at which

1521
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 2: they're going to exploit those players. We just saw Kean

1522
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 2: Coleman go in this hypothetical for one hundred and forty

1523
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 2: yards on eight catches. Do we zero in on him

1524
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 2: or do we zero in on last year's guy, Khalil

1525
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 2: Shakir or the newcomers that can get open probably better

1526
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 2: than anyone on the Bills could last year In Palmer

1527
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 2: and Elijah Moore. So I think that philosophy, even though

1528
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 2: it kind of flies in the face of the modern

1529
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: day fantasy football, where you want the Justin Jefferson and

1530
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 2: the Jamar Chase production. I don't blame Brandon Bean for

1531
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 2: defending his stance to not pick a wide receiver early,

1532
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 2: because it really.

1533
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 4: Worked to not have that guy in the number one.

1534
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 2: We know when we're playing the Bills, it's going to

1535
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 2: be hard to stop a Stefan Diggs, but we know

1536
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 2: if we stop him, we have a pretty good chance

1537
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 2: to win. Last year, the Bills, like you mentioned, exploited

1538
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 2: those matchups and had an answer for really whatever any

1539
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:56,560
Speaker 2: defense through at it.

1540
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: Khalil Shakira was a big part of that. Coming off

1541
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,959
Speaker 1: a mo Unster season, obviously gets the gets the contract extension.

1542
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: This past offseason big part of their offense. It was interesting.

1543
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: I want to say it was mandatory minicamp, but it

1544
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 1: may have been OTA's. We had a chance to talk

1545
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 1: to Tredavius White, okay right, obviously wasn't here last season.

1546
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,839
Speaker 1: We asked him, you know, being on the other sideline

1547
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 1: for a year, what what stood out about this Bill's

1548
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: offense in this team, and his initial knee jerk reaction

1549
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: was seventeen won the MVP. I mean the offense just

1550
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: was a juggernaut again, and then about twenty seconds into

1551
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: his answer, he paused, and he went, Khalil sheh care

1552
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: he went, he doesn't drop passes, and he is so

1553
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 1: tough to bring down and yards after catch, and it

1554
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: was it was really interesting to hear someone who went

1555
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 1: outside the building after being here then comes back and

1556
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: literally the person everybody's gonna point out Josh Allen at seven,

1557
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: but after it really kind of registered, he went, Khalil Shakir.

1558
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,480
Speaker 1: That's the guy, and he is just such an important

1559
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: piece of that offense. And I know there's no true

1560
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: number one, but he's about as close as they have

1561
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah.

1562
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I don't think we always have to pigeonhole

1563
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 2: like for as much as I think it makes sense,

1564
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 2: just based on last year's evidence for the Bills to

1565
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 2: almost actively try not to have a true number one.

1566
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 2: Shakir can be that type of player, at least at

1567
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 2: the beginning of the year or in those key moments

1568
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 2: where teams are going to say, hey, we gotta stop

1569
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 2: Shakir first, which thereby opens up Kincaid and Palmer and

1570
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 2: more and the running backs. I'm gonna have. Saint Brown

1571
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 2: in Detroit is a slot receiver. He's their number one guy. Now,

1572
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 2: I don't think that Shakir just because of the mentality

1573
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 2: and the philosophy of this offense, he's ever gonna get

1574
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,560
Speaker 2: that volume. But you better bet your bottom dollar that

1575
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 2: when teams face the Lions, they are first trying to

1576
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 2: stop this nifty slot receiver. Just because he's not big,

1577
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 2: just because he's not playing on the outside, does not

1578
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 2: mean clearly that players outside of the Bills organization on

1579
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 2: defense are thinking about a slot receiver in Khalil Shakir

1580
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 2: because really, outside of blistering speed he has in today's NFL,

1581
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 2: the modern skill set, he catches everything and he's awesome

1582
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,679
Speaker 2: after the catch that you want out of any wide receiver.

1583
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: We haven't talked about Joshua Palmer yet because he was

1584
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 1: kind of the marquee, He was the big sign He

1585
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: was kind of the big signing at wide receiver. How

1586
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: do you see him fitting into this? You know this

1587
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 1: everybody eats kind of mentality in the group because it

1588
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 1: seems to me that he does offer a little bit

1589
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: of a different skill set.

1590
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I think he can be what the Bills hoped

1591
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 2: Gabe Davis materialized into after year two and year three

1592
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 2: in the Big four Touchdown Game in the thirteen second loss.

1593
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 2: Gabe Davis was a four or five guy, just like

1594
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: Josh Palmer, a little bit over six foot, just like

1595
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 2: Josh Palmer. Really good tracking the football deep. The separation

1596
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 2: for Gabe Davis never really became part of his game.

1597
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 2: Palmer has more suddenness in his lower half. He's a

1598
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 2: little bit shiftier, he has agility. He was you know,

1599
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 2: there's a lot of these analytics sites that are tracking

1600
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,560
Speaker 2: every player on every snap. Palmer against man coverage was

1601
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 2: like in the top ten, and Josh Allen spoke to

1602
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 2: that that, hey, he's really good at getting open against man,

1603
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 2: but he can still be that big play threat down

1604
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 2: the football field even though he does not have ridiculous speed.

1605
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 2: A lot of times just being a long strider and

1606
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 2: being able to catch it like a center fielder is

1607
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 2: ultimately what makes you a big play threat down the field.

1608
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 2: So think Gabe Davis, but with more ability just on

1609
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 2: those intermediate routes and maybe even underneath to just get open.

1610
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 2: But I think when he's on the field again, this

1611
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 2: is kind of a nightmare for defensive coordinators. All Right,

1612
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 2: we got Shakir inside in the slot. He's gonna run

1613
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 2: all these cold Beasley type routes underneath, and he's awesome

1614
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 2: after the catcher is the guy that can really accentuate

1615
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 2: Josh Allen's arm strength because he can take the lid

1616
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 2: off a defense and even though the volume was never

1617
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 2: there for him necessarily outside of the one season in LA,

1618
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 2: he was routinely found down the field by another big

1619
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 2: arm quarterback in Justin Herbert.

1620
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: Got a couple minutes here. Let's slide into tight end

1621
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: because Dalton Kin k Obviously Keon Coleman was a hot topic.

1622
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: Dalton Kin K another one because former first round pick

1623
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: two seasons return on investment hasn't been great, hasn't been

1624
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 1: what I'm sure with the Bills one, and I'm sure

1625
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: it hasn't been what dalton Kin Kid has wanted anduries

1626
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 1: a part of that, much like it was for Keon Coleman.

1627
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,640
Speaker 1: Dalton King kad this this is year number three is

1628
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: a huge year for this young tight end.

1629
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 2: And because he's an older player he came into the NFL.

1630
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 2: That was my one grape with him, the opposite of Keon,

1631
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 2: the opposite where he's a little younger they referenced. So, yeah,

1632
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 2: so that's really good to bring that up that Dalon

1633
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 2: Kinkaid was twenty four in his rookie season. Ken Coleman

1634
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 2: was twenty one his entire rookie season. So they're on

1635
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 2: vast They're on opposite ends of the spectrum in terms

1636
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:10,839
Speaker 2: of what we should viw, how we should view their development,

1637
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 2: the speed of it, the intensity of it. So you're

1638
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 2: mentioning that Kinkaid entering year three it's a make or

1639
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 2: break season. It absolutely is. And Brandon Bean talked a

1640
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 2: lot about Kinkaid bulking up so he can just withstand

1641
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 2: the riggers of an eighteen game, of a eighteen week schedule,

1642
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 2: seventeen games and then get into the playoffs. I think

1643
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 2: that's more key than anything else, because when he has

1644
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 2: the football in his hands, he can be a lot

1645
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 2: like Khalil Shakir, very slippery, very hard to bring down,

1646
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 2: and after that injury, he was just never quite the

1647
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 2: same last season. If the Bills have him as another

1648
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 2: option over the middle, that can just be that third

1649
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 2: and six chain mover along with Shakir. Again, the offense

1650
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 2: is going to be very very tough to stop. So

1651
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 2: staying on the field being durable, I frankly don't think

1652
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 2: that Dalton Kinkaid needs to become this menacing locker. That's

1653
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 2: not his game. He's never going to be a great blocker.

1654
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 2: He's a more slender frame tight end. They have that

1655
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 2: guy with Dawson Knox. Be available by staying healthy and

1656
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 2: catch a five yard drag route and turn it into

1657
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 2: a fifteen yard gain. Maybe stretch defenses vertically down the

1658
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 2: scene every once in a while. That's how you get

1659
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 2: the most out of someone that has a pretty talented

1660
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 2: skill set in dual Kincaid.

1661
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 1: It all starts with number seventeen, the MVP Josh Allen.

1662
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: What more can Josh Allen do next season that we

1663
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 1: haven't seen him already do. We're going to talk about

1664
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 1: that coming up after the break on One Bill's Live

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01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 1: Welcome Back to Bills Live presented by Callida Health. Heading

1666
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 1: into the last break, we mentioned what more can Josh

1667
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: Allen possibly do? After that MVP campaign which he threw

1668
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: twenty eight touchdowns just six interceptions. His stats across the

1669
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 1: board were just incredible, and you even look at the

1670
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: times he was sacked. He was only sacked fourteen times,

1671
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:23,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of that has to do with the

1672
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: offensive line, but a lot of it has to do

1673
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: with his awareness and just knowing that when the clock

1674
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 1: is ticking. I don't really know what else Josh Allen

1675
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: can do more than he's already done.

1676
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think continuing to play smart football to balance

1677
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 2: his ridiculous talent that he has both as a runner

1678
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 2: and with his arm, and leading to that propensity early

1679
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 2: in his career to take a lot of risks. Last year,

1680
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say that he dialed it back. He

1681
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 2: wasn't a different player. He was still Josh Allen. We

1682
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:55,719
Speaker 2: saw him make ridiculous throws and had incredible runs twelve

1683
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 2: rushing touchdowns, but he found that happy medium of like,

1684
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 2: oh hey, it's third and ten, there's nothing really there.

1685
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 2: We're just gonna punt and we're gonna get the ball

1686
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 2: back and score the next time we get the ball

1687
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 2: doing that to have six interceptions and double that with

1688
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 2: twelve rushing touchdowns. If he continues to take care of

1689
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 2: the football that well, along with all the weapons that

1690
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 2: the Bills have, and you can say they don't have

1691
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 2: an elite guy, they're going to be a thirty point

1692
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 2: per game type offense again, which will be near the

1693
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:26,560
Speaker 2: top of the league, and it should lead them to

1694
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 2: be one of the top seeds in the AFC.

1695
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't know what else he can do.

1696
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 1: I really don't. Like I've we sat here in the

1697
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: break and we went through and talked about the numbers

1698
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 1: and the accomplishments, and I just don't know what more

1699
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 1: he can do. One thing we did mention quickly was,

1700
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, if James Cook's touchdown runs comes down a

1701
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: little bit, maybe that translates into a few more Josh

1702
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 1: Allen touchdown runs. But how many did he have last year?

1703
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 4: He had twelve rushing touchdowns?

1704
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 1: I mean, how many more is he gonna have.

1705
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 4: Fifteen the year before?

1706
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 2: That could maybe equate to more growing touchdowns because twenty

1707
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 2: eight or an MVP is not super high like usually

1708
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 2: you're in the thirties. So that, like our producer Jeff

1709
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 2: brought up that point, and it's a really good call.

1710
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 2: Maybe we see Josh Allen throw like he did in

1711
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two thirty five touchdowns, or throw like in

1712
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty when he got a few MVP votes thirty

1713
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 2: seven touchdowns. If we are to expect that James Cook

1714
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 2: doesn't have those sixteen rushing touchdowns again. But it is

1715
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 2: very hard to pick something for this guy that does

1716
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 2: everything through the air as a leader and on the

1717
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 2: ground as to me, the most formidable rushing threat at

1718
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 2: the quarterback position in the end.

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01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm staring at the computer rate now, shaking my head.

1720
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I'm at a loss. I don't

1721
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 1: know what else he does in order to get MVP

1722
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: number two, because I mean it's just hard. It's hard

1723
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 1: to top what he did last season. What all right,

1724
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: we're getting ready to land this plane. What you got

1725
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 1: coming up this summer? You got any good trips play

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01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: summer plans?

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01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1728
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 2: So my family has a place in Chautauqua Institution. My

1729
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 2: dad is still the director of the children's school there.

1730
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 2: My kids are there, so they'll be going there for

1731
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 2: a week and then on my wife's side, super grateful,

1732
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 2: she has a place in the Adirondacks, her family. So

1733
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 2: we'll do those two week trips in July and then

1734
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 2: we'll strip it back up for training camp.

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01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 1: I can't believe. June twenty third, one month away. July

1737
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 1: twenty third is day one at Saint John Fisher. I'm

1738
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: going to We're taking the family, the boys to Key

1739
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: West I'm gonna spend a little time in Key West

1740
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 1: and hopefully you're not watching this, but we're gonna surprise

1741
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 1: him with a quick couple of days in Disney.

1742
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 2: So well, you're getting some Key West type weather now

1743
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 2: today it's a good barness up.

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01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1745
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 1: I hope everybody stays cool out there. Chris, this was fun.

1746
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, was a good time.

1747
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:41,680
Speaker 1: You could tell producer Jay Harris, who had the day off,

1748
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: that we did not burn it down. Jay, you would

1749
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: have been proud of us. For christ Passo, I'm Josh Reed.

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01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching and listening to One Bill's Live. We'll

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01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 1: see you at training camp.

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Speaker 6: He