1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 2: my name is Noel. 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: super producer Lexus, code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 3: you are here, and that makes this the stuff they 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 3: don't want you to know. We are returning from strange adventures, 11 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: and with us we bring news, not the mainstream news, 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: the strange news. We're so glad you're here, folks. We 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 3: are going to explore issues of self transformation over in Japan. 14 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 3: We're going to explore an ongoing dangerous mystery in California. 15 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 3: We might talk a little bit about Ecuador. We might 16 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 3: even we might even dive into a paranormal story of divorce. 17 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 3: But before we do any of that, we are going 18 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: to talk about one of our favorite things ever, the 19 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 3: idea of preservation, the idea of saving human knowledge from 20 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: the two frequent disasters of human civilization. But where could 21 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: you Where could you put something if you wanted to 22 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: save so many works of humanity, right, like where would 23 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: you put it? 24 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: I don't know, the mary on a trench. 25 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you're nice, James Cameron, I'll take you 26 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 4: down there to retrieve it. And if you change your mind. 27 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: A perfect or some other species that figures out technology 28 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: to get there might find it, you know, for the 29 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: purposes of preserving that which was humanity. Or you could 30 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: you know, just launch it into space, just name in 31 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 2: any direction really and just shoot it out there maybe 32 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: somebody will find it. Or you could you know, put 33 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: it on the moon. 34 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: Oh okay, well, at first you have my attention, Now 35 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: you have my interest please. 36 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, but we're actually not talking about human knowledge 37 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: preservation or the preservation of the human race, if you will, 38 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 2: We're talking about the preservation of human creativity. Because in 39 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 2: the case of the Lunar Codex, which is the first 40 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: thing we're going to talk about today, it's works of 41 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: thirty thousand artists, writers, musicians and filmmakers from one hundred 42 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: and fifty seven countries that are going to be launched 43 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: in four separate time capsules and go to the moon. 44 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: They're going to be launched and go to the moon. 45 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: And this is really happening, well, allegedly it's happening. It's 46 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: the work of a man named Samuel Peralta, and it 47 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: is a project, I suppose maybe we could call it. 48 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 2: Right now, reading from the guardians Lunar Codex, digitized works 49 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: of thirty thousand artists to be archived on Moon, it 50 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: is saying that it's a real thing that's going to happen. 51 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 5: At least it reminds me of. 52 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 4: Like the Gold Disc and all that stuff, you know 53 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 4: that Carl Sagan was involved in sending out to space 54 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 4: in the hopes that some advanced civilization might be able 55 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 4: to play it. 56 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like a gold record, right. 57 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, the Gold Record and Voyager and all that 58 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: stuff is fascinating because again it gives kind of a 59 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: snapshot of humanity from a chemical, biological, intelligence, cultural factor. 60 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: In this case, it's really precisely aimed at culture. But 61 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: there is some cool mathematical stuff in the music that 62 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: you could probably glean right if you were to just 63 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: discover some of the pieces that are going to be 64 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: included in that. But ultimately, and this is what Peralta 65 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: says on the website for Lunar Codex, which is lunarcodex 66 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: dot com. He says, our hope is that future travelers 67 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: who find these time capsules again. He says, future travelers, 68 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: we'll discover some of the richness of our world today. 69 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: It speaks to the idea that despite wars and pandemics 70 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: and climate up, evil, humankind found the time to dream. 71 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 5: To create art, love it there to dream. 72 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: Isn't that beautiful? There's really there's really not much else there. 73 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: It's just kind of a positive, cool thing that's happening. 74 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 2: A little message in the bottle to future humans or 75 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: whatever comes after us, probably robots, right. 76 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 3: Or some sort of fungal life form. Matt, I see 77 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: on the website you shared with us lunarcodex dot com. 78 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: That Pralta says he did already purchase payload space, which 79 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: puts this puts this streets ahead to quote community streets 80 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: ahead of other similar projects from the past. 81 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: Streets ahead, Man, is that a thing? 82 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 5: It is? 83 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 2: Now? 84 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: Well, if you don't know your streets, lad. 85 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 2: But it's really cool stuff. 86 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 4: Oh. 87 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: I did want to read one other thing from the 88 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: Guardian article. Here they were talking about how it's going 89 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 2: to be stored here we go, Uh, it's going to 90 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 2: be digitized and stored on memory cards. So first of all, 91 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: when you find it, you got to be able to 92 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: read one of the memory cards. Maybe they'll have a reader, 93 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: you know, packaged within the thing just for help with 94 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: a little USB two point zero that surely some robot 95 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: in the future will be able to plug into it. 96 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 5: So uh, but they'll definitely have a USB one port. 97 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, the future reason they're on a TV three at 98 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 4: this point before a dongle for that. 99 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe USBC. Okay, geez, I don't know. There's also 100 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 2: going to be some laser etching onto nanofish files awesome 101 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 2: aka tiny fish even tinier than micro kind of whatever. 102 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,559 Speaker 5: I hear fish, I just picture little little swimmy boys. 103 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 4: You know it's not the tiny salmon. 104 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: All right, Well, hey, let's get let's continue going tiny, 105 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: maybe not nanosized, but micro sized and move on to 106 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: human cells, specifically cancer cells and the cancer cells of 107 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: one Henrietta Lax, who we have spoken about on this 108 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 2: show many a time and to some really exciting news 109 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: when it comes to the family of Henrietta Lax. Let 110 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 2: me set you guys up to really just quickly tell 111 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: the story of Henrietta Lax in a shortened manner. Henrietta 112 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 2: Lax is a woman who is being treated for cancer 113 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: in the early nineteen fifties. In nineteen fifty one, she 114 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: passed away in Baltimore and some sampling of her cancerous cells. 115 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: They were used early on for testing, and it turned 116 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: out that these cells continued to live and continued to 117 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: be able to be reproduced in laboratory settings. So basically, 118 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: the original samples from this woman, Henrietta Lax, were reproduced 119 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 2: so many times over so many years we're talking about. 120 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: They're still being used today and grown today. They used 121 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: them to create things like the polio vaccine. To develop 122 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: the polio vaccine because they had human cells to run 123 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: tests on and again in huge amounts. Because these things 124 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: would just continue to reproduce in a laboratory setting. They 125 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: were used by I think a bunch of groups because 126 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: Thermo Fisher Scientific specifically was selling these cancer cells. They 127 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: were profiting from them. 128 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: Without the families consent. The first immortal technically, the first 129 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: immortal human cells were quickly First they were researched by 130 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: a guy named George Otto Gray, and then they were 131 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: monetized and no one talked to Henrietta before she passed 132 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: away about this, no one talk to her family. Yeah, 133 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: and in a very real way, this person has saved 134 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: millions of lives. 135 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 4: I believe that was actually the name of the biopic 136 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 4: starring Oprah Winfrey, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lax. 137 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: Which was a book written by Rebecca Sclute and that 138 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: was from twenty ten. Yeah, that's how we found out 139 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: about it in the first place. It was that book 140 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: originally when we were talking about it way back in 141 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: the day on stuff they don't want you to know. 142 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: And it is just really amazing because the news is 143 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: the family has settled with Thermo Fisher Scientific. It's been 144 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: an ongoing court case for quite a while, and you know, 145 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: it was it was argued by Thermo Fisher, at least 146 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: within court, that this family had no standing to have 147 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: any you know, suit against them, basically, and the family 148 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: was saying, hey, come on, that's how I'm summing up 149 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: the argument, like, come on, Like the story is now 150 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: in the public record, you probably owe the family something, 151 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: and it looks like the family has something. Nothing has 152 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: been made public as of yet as to what that 153 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: settlement actually looks like. And you know, when it would 154 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: be paid out, and really any details, it's just really 155 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: great news that something has occurred to give I don't know, 156 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: a little bit of justice for this woman that was 157 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: taken advantage of in life, and you know, for seventy 158 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: years after her death. 159 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, said Matt. I believe from what I understand 160 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: when I first heard about this story, I think it 161 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 3: was seen in she has or her family has reached 162 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 3: a confidential settlement, so there may be an NDA of 163 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 3: some sort, which means the public may never know. But 164 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,359 Speaker 3: I saw a statement I want to say from Henrietta 165 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 3: LAX's grandson that said, on her one hundred and third birthday, 166 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: we got justice. And it's a question too full disclosure, folks. 167 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 3: The three of us have birthdays in quick quick succession. 168 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 5: Uh. 169 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: And I wonder how birthdays count if you're Henrietta Lacks 170 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 3: because a part of you is still alive in saving 171 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 3: the world. That's really weird question for another day. 172 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: That's really weird, guys. I don't have a lot else 173 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: to add with either of these stories. I just think 174 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: they're both actually pretty good news and I appreciate that. 175 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: I hope, I hope we all appreciate it. 176 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 3: I agree, let's so say we all, yes. 177 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 4: Much needed reprieve from the the hellish news of late 178 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 4: for sure. 179 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: Yes. Well, let's take a quick break and we'll be 180 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 2: right back after a word from our sponsors. 181 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 4: And we return with another piece of good, good news, 182 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 4: good boy news. 183 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 5: It's it's good for somebody. 184 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 4: I guess if you're into just living your best life, 185 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 4: who are we to be grudge anybody whatever that that 186 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 4: looks like for them. This story made kind of went 187 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 4: viral I think some months ago. Ben, I know you'd 188 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 4: seen it about Toko, who is an anonymous and Japanese 189 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 4: individual who has become dog. Well, okay, that's a little hyperbolic, perhaps, 190 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 4: And honestly, this is also a story about, you know, 191 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 4: spreading fake news over sources like TikTok. You know the 192 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 4: original reporting on this Toko situation where man undergoes surgery 193 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 4: to become the rough Collie. 194 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 5: There's a reed of Collie. I didn't know rough Collie. 195 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 4: I thought the rough was just the sound they made 196 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 4: when they barked a little tiny rim shot dad joke. 197 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 4: But yeah, it's not true that no one has yet 198 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 4: remember the movie Tusk. This really awful, kind of unpleasant 199 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 4: Kevin Smith movie very on Kevin Smith. I you Kevin 200 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 4: Smith about a guy played by Justin and Long who 201 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: was transformed by a mad scientist into a walrus. And 202 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 4: it's really gross and you don't need to say unless 203 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 4: you want to unless you love it's. Yeah, it's it's 204 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 4: just it's just an unpleasant film. But that's all I'm 205 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 4: gonna say about. I kind of scrolled through it just 206 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 4: to kind of get the get the highlights. 207 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 5: But yeah, not something I would highly recommend. But this 208 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 5: is not what happened. 209 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 4: What happened is this individual has chosen to remain as 210 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 4: anonymous as humanly possible. Humanly possible A million of them 211 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 4: just spend a lot of money around let's see two 212 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 4: million Japanese yen which equates to about fourteen grand to 213 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 4: have an incredibly lifelike, surreal, bizarre costume made, custom costume 214 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 4: made that this individual can fit into. Followed a bunch 215 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 4: of sources on this a really good YouTube video Toco 216 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 4: of the human dog and for this is disturbing from 217 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 4: tough on YouTube. His girlfriend actually made a drawing, but 218 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 4: I took a screenshot of Toko, which, by the way, 219 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 4: this dog situation is all all all four us looks 220 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 4: like a dog. Does it quite move like a dog, 221 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 4: But we'll get to that as well. 222 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: Looks more real than the bear at that Chinese zoo 223 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: getting all the question, and that's a real question. 224 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 5: It's really weird, it's really very real. The proportions are 225 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 5: just right. 226 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 4: But again, so this this guy Tough on YouTube's girlfriend 227 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 4: drew a picture overlay on a screenshot of one of 228 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 4: Toko's videos showing how a person would have to be 229 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 4: kind of positioned in there. And it's like front arms 230 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 4: are front, paws, back legs are knees with the feet 231 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 4: up and tucks kind of into the butt. So yeah, 232 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 4: I mean, if you guys want to get a look, 233 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 4: there's a. 234 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: Actually that makes a ton of sense, no, considering the 235 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: movement that I've seen on. 236 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 4: You the movements right, Okay, so you're looking at some 237 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 4: of the same stuff. This this this tough video really 238 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 4: collects it all pretty beautifully. 239 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 5: And he goes to some not great lengths. 240 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 4: Because one thing about this guy Toko, and I'm saying 241 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 4: guy because the sound of this individual's voice seems to 242 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 4: be a masculine voice. So this person whatever gender is 243 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 4: irrelevant in general, but wants. 244 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 5: To remain anonymous. Toco, you know, has done some sort 245 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 5: of Ama style videos. 246 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 4: There's one particular that's really funny where they're dressed up 247 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: in the dog costume and like scrolling through these like 248 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 4: pieces of paper that have captions on them in Japanese 249 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 4: and English, using their paw and occasionally getting frustrated at 250 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 4: not being able to like bend their wrists. So there's 251 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 4: a couple of jump cuts where someone clearly helps them 252 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 4: flip the page. 253 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 5: It's funny, but it's also disturbing. Matt. You may be 254 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 5: referring to some of the images of Toko trying to 255 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 5: climb stairs. 256 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 4: That one is upsetting. It's just like the way like 257 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 4: those Japanese nightmare demons move and like the Grudge. There's 258 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 4: just something really unwieldy and like inhuman about the movement, obviously, 259 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 4: because it's it's not how human they're supposed to move. 260 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 4: And this person is, you know, inside this this strange suit. 261 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 4: But you know, you can look at images video of 262 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 4: them zooming into the mouth and you can see very 263 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 4: realistic teeth, you know, canines in particular, and the eyes 264 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 4: are that of like a dead dog. They're just black 265 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 4: like a doll's eyes like they're jaws eyes. You can't 266 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 4: see yeah, pig time, you can't see into the into 267 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 4: the and you can't see any hide nor hair totally. 268 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 4: They're gonna be coming of who this individual is. No 269 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 4: indication there is a reflection of the camera person briefly, 270 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 4: and also there's some playing catch kind of moments in 271 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 4: some of the videos, and you do see the camera 272 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 4: person's hands, but it's really not clear what that person 273 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 4: looks like. There's really no information. I'll just add and 274 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 4: then I'd love to hear what you his thoughts are. 275 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 4: This YouTuber did kind of figure out that this individual 276 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 4: has a Twitch account and is a really big fan 277 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 4: of a Pokemon game, one in particular. 278 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 5: It's like so many of those are let's see it. No, 279 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 5: it's called Pokemon Unite. 280 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 4: And they actually maintain another YouTube channel that is not 281 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 4: dog related, that is exclusively devoted to streaming a lot 282 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 4: of Pokemon Unite that actually seems to get a little 283 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: more attention than the dog content. 284 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 5: But what do you guys think? 285 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we've talked about furries and the 286 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 4: moral panic around that in America with the they're putting letter. 287 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 5: Boxes in the schools. 288 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 4: I just kind of got to wonder, this is going 289 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 4: to fuel more of that kind of talk if it 290 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 4: goes more mainstream, if people and government are gonna start 291 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 4: pointing to it. 292 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 5: What do you guys think? 293 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: Well, for for me, it's it's fascinating. I went down 294 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: a rabbit hole in that YouTube channel for quite a 295 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: while watching videos, and that's why I think it was 296 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: mildly disturbing. Only when thinking about how uncomfortable I imagine this 297 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: person is in the costume. As I figured out that, oh, 298 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: those are in order for him to be in those dimensions, 299 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: he would have to be on his knees. As they're 300 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 2: making videos titled you know, taking Toko for a walk 301 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: or something going for a walk, and Toko's attempting to 302 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 2: walk on concrete with again front hands seem to be 303 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: very like fine, but then the back legs are just 304 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 2: somebody's knees being jammed into concrete as they're attempting to 305 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: walk in the dog suit and very slowly. Might I add, 306 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: because again it's painful. 307 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it's like it reminds me of a 308 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: Shrek the musical. If you guys haven't seen that, it's 309 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 3: it's wonderful just to show my music theater or the one. 310 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 5: Character little the short guy what's his name that the 311 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 5: lord or whatever? Yeah, yeah, the actor. Kwah, yeah, the actor. 312 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 3: The only way they could do that live action is 313 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: to have the guy moving on his knees. But he 314 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,239 Speaker 3: is covered in a cape, so you don't see the 315 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 3: cows and the you know, the the tarsels or whatever, 316 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 3: but the sorry feet. But the the thing is with 317 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 3: with Toko here, and it does sound like this individual 318 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 3: wants to be identified as Toco with Toko like the 319 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,719 Speaker 3: The thing that I think is continued our run of 320 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 3: good news is that I heard Noel Matt maybe you 321 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 3: guys can confirm this. I heard that recently Toko had 322 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 3: a grand debut it's being called toward the end of 323 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 3: July on a German TV station. And in this Toko 324 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 3: was not shamed nor mocked by humans. They were just 325 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 3: you know, they're very curious species, so they were just staring. 326 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 3: But dogs, more importantly, weren't mad about it. Dogs were like, oh, 327 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 3: you're interesting. You maybe don't walk quite the same, but 328 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 3: Toko passed the rough Collie test. And I don't know, 329 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: man like to your point, to your point, yes, there 330 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 3: will be cyclical moral panics about anyone who lived a 331 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 3: life or has an identity that doesn't quite jibe with 332 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 3: the status quo, especially in a culture like Japan, where 333 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 3: the nail that sticks out shall be hammered down. But 334 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 3: live your truth, do you know what I mean? 335 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: If you've got an extra fourteen thousand dollars and you 336 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: want twenty two twenty two thousand, whatever it is us, 337 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 2: that's right you yeah, and you've just got it and 338 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: you want to do something for you, man, as long 339 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: as everyone else is gonna be okay, you know, with 340 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: you spending that money, then let's do it. 341 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 5: It's kind of interesting. 342 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 4: There's a The company behind the suit is called Zippets 343 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 4: or Zippet, and they it's nothing to do with pets, 344 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 4: a coincidence, unrelated. They make like animatronic kind of things, 345 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 4: digital modeling, robotics, things for movies, you know, and TV shoots, 346 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 4: like all kinds of masks and set pieces and crazy costumes. 347 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 6: And if you go on their site though, there are 348 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 6: a handful of very elaborate costumes that they have made 349 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 6: that are listed as a custom made for personal order. 350 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 4: So you gotta wonder if there's a flap somewhere. Okay, 351 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 4: we don't have to go there. 352 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 5: We don't have to go there. 353 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 6: It's good. 354 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 3: It's a good question though, So maybe our fellow conspiracy 355 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 3: realist can illuminate that for us. I just think, you know, 356 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 3: the thing is, Toco isn't hurting anyone, right, gel Toko's 357 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 3: not a guard dog. 358 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 5: Just their knees. 359 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 4: Just Toco is hurting no one. They talk as well 360 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 4: about the production cycle. A thing took forty days to make. 361 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, like really crazy amounts of 362 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 4: labor and creativity go into this. 363 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 5: I imagine that they helped. 364 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 4: They designed it for Toco with some specifications. 365 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 5: It was funny. There's there's other's a quote from him 366 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 5: saying at one point that. 367 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 4: The people from the company did inform me that this 368 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 4: may be difficult as the makeup of the of the 369 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 4: of a collie's skeleton differs wildly from that of a human. 370 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 4: And you know this wolf costume and I'm looking at 371 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 4: is meant to be standing upright the kicker here. And 372 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 4: the thing that makes this whole thing that uncanny Valley 373 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 4: vibe is the fact that it looks like a lumbering 374 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 4: like dog and for a minute you didn't know, you 375 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 4: would be fooled. Then you might be like, wait, it's 376 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 4: moving a little wonky. Is it like a robot? What's 377 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 4: going on here? And it would not immediately be clear 378 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 4: to anybody. And you know, I mean, you could call 379 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 4: this a fetish, you could call this perhaps there's some 380 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 4: some kind of sexual gratification involved. But we know about 381 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 4: certainly individuals that like to be dominated and put on leashes, 382 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 4: and the idea of becoming a dog perhaps can be 383 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 4: tied into that. 384 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,479 Speaker 5: This is not something that Toco has said. I'm not 385 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 5: trying to psychoanalyze this person. 386 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 4: I'm saying it's certainly part of what we think of 387 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 4: when it comes to like, you know, even like the 388 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 4: iggy pop song I Want to Be Your Dog. 389 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 5: You know, it's meant to be kind of an S 390 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 5: and M type song. So who knows. 391 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 4: And obviously this stuff is very big in Japan, but 392 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 4: I think it's really cool and and to your point, 393 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 4: Ben Toko is hurting no one seems to be just 394 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 4: a matter of not wanting to blow up their spot 395 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 4: and have people talking to them about it all the time. 396 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 4: And I think it's cool to be able to remain anonymous. 397 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 4: You know, I was bummed when we found out who 398 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 4: Daft Punk were. I think they maybe always knew who 399 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 4: they were. But still I like the idea of anonymity 400 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 4: in pop culture and stuff, and it's so rare these 401 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 4: days because everyone is just too oversharing. So that's that 402 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 4: one wants to add. It's it's I think it's awesome, 403 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 4: and it's it is creepy. There are things about these 404 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 4: videos that are a little okay, but all in all, 405 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 4: I think it's just great. 406 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 3: Well, wait before we go to ask that, No, I 407 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 3: got a question for you, uh, for for everybody. Were 408 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 3: you to become a theory in trope, you know, like 409 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 3: a skin walker, where you to be able to transform 410 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 3: into an animal? Friend across the Pacific made their choice 411 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 3: they would transform into a rough collie. Do you guys 412 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 3: have animals that you would want to be able to 413 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 3: change into? 414 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 2: Oh that's great. 415 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 4: All I'm gonna say is you might think that, But 416 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 4: then what if all of a sudden you were transformed 417 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 4: to that animal and it just didn't feel the way 418 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 4: you thought it would feel at all, and you just 419 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 4: kind of went insane immediately, where you just couldn't cope 420 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 4: with it that terrifies me. I was gonna say, flying 421 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 4: squirrel is that they've got the best of both worlds. 422 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 5: They can scatter it, scamper around up and down. 423 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 4: The trees, Willy nilly and the sugar glider, whatever you 424 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 4: want to call them, I think. But then all of 425 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 4: a sudden you're one of those. Does your brain then 426 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 4: become just like that, like, is it a hybrid? 427 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 5: I don't know, Matt would. 428 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 2: In this case. I think it's more what kind of 429 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 2: costume would you want Zeppet to design for you to 430 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 2: make you look like a human version of a flying squirrel? 431 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 3: Oh you're not doing skin changing? 432 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 2: Oh we're doing We're doing full skin changes. Okay, cool, 433 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 2: I just want That's where I was going with it. Okay, 434 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: can we point out I just had to say this 435 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: out because it's been replaying in my mind since it happened. Ben, 436 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: you were trying to come up with the word for feet, 437 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: and you said meta tarsals and you just did it 438 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: so casually. 439 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 5: It was good at parties. 440 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 3: They're the bones of the foot. 441 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: I just thought it was great, you know. 442 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 5: Feet. I'm sorry trying to change the subject. Matt, what 443 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 5: animal will you because. 444 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 3: You already change your skin, Matt. What animal are you? Man? 445 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 3: When you're not on the. 446 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: Show, I'm a squeed. 447 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 5: I wonder I promise you no longer to eat your brethren. Yes, yes, 448 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 5: I love the way you pronounced that. 449 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 6: Man. 450 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 5: We're just we're on fire today, y'all. Let's take a break. 451 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 4: Man, Let's take that break and have a word from 452 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 4: our sponsor, and then come back with one more piece 453 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 4: of strange. 454 00:24:50,640 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 3: News and we have returned, fellow conspiracy realists. Okay, So 455 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 3: there is a place over in California that is now 456 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 3: becoming a hotbed of intelligence speculation. Have you ever heard 457 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 3: of a group called Flannery Associates l LC? 458 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 5: Yes I have not. 459 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 4: When I saw this story, I thought had something to 460 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 4: do with Flannery O'Connor. 461 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 3: Me too, man, I was hoping. I was hoping. Severely 462 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 3: underrated author even though she is canonical. This group, Flannery O'Connor, 463 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 3: for a while has been buying out keep it. That's 464 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 3: how close the association is. So nothing to do with 465 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 3: Flannery O'Connor, just like Zeppe It in Japan, have nothing 466 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: to do with pets. Flannery Associates Limited Liability Corporation has 467 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: been quietly buying up thousands and thousands of acres of 468 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 3: far land in Solano County. Solano County, for those of 469 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: us playing along at home, is associated with Travis Air 470 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 3: Force Base. For the USAF. The thing is okay. LLC's 471 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 3: buy land all the time. Corporations, business entities, investment entities. 472 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 3: They buy up commercial and residential land all the time 473 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 3: in the United States, such that it's becoming a huge 474 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 3: problem for anybody under forty who wants to one day 475 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 3: buy a house. Atlanta is ground zero for some frankly 476 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 3: predatory actions by groups like Blackrock. Flannery Associates currently has 477 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 3: fifty five thousand acres of dry farmland adjacent to Travis 478 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 3: Air Force Base. Not just adjacent, but sort of turning 479 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 3: it into a peninsula. They bought up like three sides 480 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 3: of the land bordering this air Force base. The purchases 481 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: started in twenty eighteen, they're continuing as we record today. 482 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 3: That's at least eight hundred million dollars as of July thirtieth, 483 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 3: so like just a few days ago, as we record. 484 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 3: And here's the kicker. If you ask the local authorities, Hey, 485 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 3: who is Flannery Associates The one thing they can tell 486 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 3: you with some degree of certitude is that it's probably 487 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 3: nothing to do with Flannery O'Connor common misconception that would 488 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 3: say the thing they cannot tell you is essentially everything else. 489 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 3: They have no idea who owns it. I did a 490 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 3: little bit of digging. I've got some like half assed answers, frankly, 491 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 3: but they're not answers to my satisfaction. If you ask 492 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 3: the federal officials who you know, if you ask the 493 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 3: US Air Force and so on, then their public statement 494 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 3: is that they don't. No. Everyone is collectively shrugging, yes. 495 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 2: Okay, is it too early to just go over ideas 496 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: of why you would buy land around air Force base. 497 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 3: Also, the only thing we need to set up for 498 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 3: that is that they threatened individual landholders and are taking 499 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 3: them to court. Flannery is taking these folks to court, 500 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 3: with the contention being that these individual farmers or farm 501 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 3: land owners are illegally preventing them from buying more stuff. 502 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 2: Wait, what so? But they're not. There's no eminent domaining 503 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,959 Speaker 2: going on. They're buying land that was for sale. 504 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if there was a willing seller for it. 505 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: Okay, this is all this is so weird to me. 506 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 3: What do you think you? 507 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: Okay, I got some ideas. The first one that came 508 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 2: to mind before I understood the scope and really understood 509 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: where Solano County is, the west of Sacramento and everything. 510 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: My first thought was a spying on a military base, 511 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: because you could. You could just set up anything, any 512 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: sensors to look up in the sky basically see and 513 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 2: see any aircraft that lands or takes off from that base. Right, 514 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: you could, theoretically, but you could do that without buying land, 515 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 2: I think, or buying one small piece of land. So 516 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense. What about stuff that's underneath 517 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 2: the surface of the land? 518 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 3: Ooh, mineral rights, water, water, things like that. Yeah, I 519 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 3: mean both the Chinese and the Saudi Arabian governments have 520 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 3: been making agricultural deals which do essentially divest the United 521 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: States of water. Whoa any of you think about it? 522 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 6: Oh? 523 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: Okay, well, well let's continue, because that's that's what I 524 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 3: was thinking too. No, you got one. You gotta guess. 525 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 3: Does that sound off base or are you thinking? 526 00:29:59,520 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 5: No? 527 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 4: I think it's I mean, I'm with you. I'm just 528 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 4: kind of playing along at home. 529 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 5: I want to hear more. 530 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 3: All right, So so do a little digging and you 531 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 3: will find that Flannery Associates, LLC is a branch of 532 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 3: a place called Burst Creativity. Flannery Associates, LLC. 533 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 5: Out of Delaware, Delaware. We're in Delaware. 534 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 4: It turns out as a magical place when it comes 535 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 4: to at least tax havens and shady dealings. 536 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I feel you man. Maybe I was 537 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 3: profiling a little as well, But as soon as I 538 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 3: saw Delaware, I thought, okay, corporate governance a little more 539 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 3: friendly in that state. So what we find is that 540 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 3: Flannery Associates has a fixer, an attorney out of DC 541 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 3: who refuses to divulge what this land will be used for, 542 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 3: what the purpose of it is, and ultimately also refuses 543 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 3: to divulge the entire the identities basically behind the shell. 544 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 3: Flannery Associates did reply to i think a Department of 545 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 3: Agriculture request for more information, and when they replied, they 546 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 3: said something like, look, ninety seven percent of our capital 547 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 3: is based in the US. There they said something slippery, 548 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 3: They said, there is no nun say foreign entity. I 549 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 3: think they just said ninety seven percent is US based, 550 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 3: which is a lot like answering a question. 551 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's real similar, real real similar. 552 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 3: From far enough away, it looks like answering the question. 553 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 3: So the mystery continues. Officials don't know. People contact to 554 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 3: Congress about this house represented, senators, etc. And no one 555 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 3: is sure what's happening. We do know some existing laws, 556 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 3: and we do know some existing public facts that have 557 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 3: already been out there before this company formed. Oh also, 558 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 3: this LLC pretty young stuff they don't want you to know, 559 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 3: not just as a show but as a podcast, is 560 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 3: older than Flannery Associate's LLC. It incorporated in twenty eighteen 561 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 3: and it's just been blowing up. So we know that 562 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 3: the offer's Flannery has been giving people in this area 563 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 3: near Travis Air Force Base are way above asking price, 564 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 3: way above what you would expect for this raw agricultural 565 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 3: land or drive farmland as they would call it. We 566 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 3: also know that this agricultural land has restrictions on its 567 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 3: use in Solano County, meaning that if you buy this stuff, 568 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 3: you can't immediately build you know, a string of those 569 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 3: live laugh, love mixed use condo developments or. 570 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 2: Well that's nice. 571 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's that, sure, But this is a mystery 572 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 3: that continues, and right now the thing that is, maybe 573 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 3: it's understandable, but I don't know how helpful it is. 574 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 3: When you do see reporting on this, you'll often see 575 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 3: people raising the flag of senophobia si no phobia meaning 576 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 3: anti Chinese sentiment, and they'll say, oh, rabble, the Chinese 577 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 3: are taken over this air force space and stuff like that. 578 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 3: Not necessarily the case. There's been no provable evidence of that. 579 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 3: But I have a guess on the mystery. If you 580 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 3: guys want to hear. 581 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 2: It, is it the government itself? Well? 582 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 4: Did you mention that some that officials have told news 583 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 4: stations they are quote, highly skeptical about this company's intense. 584 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, as reported in the in Politico and the Hill. 585 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 3: When congressional folks have been asked about this, Representative John 586 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 3: Garamendi's district includes the base is one of the people 587 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 3: who who says similar things like why is this secret 588 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 3: of organization buying up all the land? I love that 589 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 3: you bring this up. No, because it sounds like, at 590 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 3: least publicly, the folks we pay to represent us in 591 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 3: US governments are just as clueless and they think something's up. 592 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 3: But how much of that is theater. How much of 593 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 3: that is sincerity? 594 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,720 Speaker 5: What do you think theater of the mind? 595 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 3: Man, all theaters theater of the mind? 596 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 5: Right, sure? 597 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 3: So, okay, there's another thing. Sacramento sees a ton of 598 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 3: air traffic. It's known across the world. It's home to 599 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 3: some critical military ops. It's also currently deeply involved in 600 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 3: the effort to transport stuff into Poland for the ongoing war. 601 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 3: And you cry, which makes some other folks say, hey, 602 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 3: maybe this is a Russian operation. I want to go 603 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 3: back to your question, Matt, is it uncle Sam not 604 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 3: knowing what its left hand is doing when people ask 605 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: the right hand something. 606 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 2: They couldn't get a budget to expand the Air Force base, 607 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 2: so they're like, fine, we'll use our black budget and 608 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 2: we'll just buy all the land and then we'll start 609 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 2: moving stuff on to it. And we'll be like, oh, 610 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 2: we're associated with Flannery associates. Now, No, I'm just joking. 611 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: I have no idea, but that's that would just be 612 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 2: a move for some reason. I don't know why, but 613 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 2: like there's been some release. Yeah, forty chest is just 614 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 2: buy all the land so nobody can bother us anymore. 615 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 3: Here's my going concern on this I think it is. 616 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 3: I have to be careful with this one. There is 617 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 3: a strong what we could call non zero likelihood that 618 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 3: intelligence does know us. Intelligence does know exactly who is 619 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 3: doing this and why. And the thing in that kind 620 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 3: of game is if you know what someone is doing, 621 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 3: if you know the entity that is having that is 622 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 3: playing this three card monte or shell game of land acquisition, 623 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 3: and then what you want to do is never publicly 624 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 3: say it. What you want to do is let them 625 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 3: keep dig in the hole, right. You want them to 626 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 3: get more and more comfortable and be more and more acclimated, right, 627 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 3: and to think they got away with it, And then 628 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 3: that's an opportunity for you to feed false information. So maybe, 629 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 3: but in both Matt and both your example and in 630 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 3: the example that I'm doing and these thoughts experiments, we 631 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 3: are signed need a great deal of wait for it, 632 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 3: intelligence to these actors. One thing that is more frightening 633 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 3: than any conspiracy in the world is, as our old 634 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 3: pal Dan Harmon said, the idea that there's no one 635 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 3: at the wheel. What if it is, what if there's 636 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 3: a secret organization a flannery O'Connor stands, you know what 637 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 3: I mean? And all they want to do is take 638 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 3: over Travis Air Force Base so they can cause play 639 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 3: good country people and a good man is hard to 640 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 3: find and all those hits, I think that's beast likely maybe, 641 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 3: But that's the thing. Without enough information, it is currently 642 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 3: not something we can we can solidly confirm, and it's 643 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,959 Speaker 3: not something we can solidly deny. In fact, I would 644 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 3: I would posit this is textbook stuff they don't want 645 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 3: you to know. We're going to keep this one short. 646 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 3: There was a ghost divorce we didn't get to. But 647 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 3: the course of true love never did run smooth as 648 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 3: they say there were. There was massive chaos in Ecuador, 649 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 3: which did not get reported widely in US news outside 650 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 3: of Univision, which I think all of us should be 651 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 3: watching more often. The thing that we want to walk 652 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 3: away with is this. We want your. 653 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 5: Help, folks. 654 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 3: If you could change into an animal, what animal? What'd 655 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 3: you change into? 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