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Speaker 3: What do we have today, Cristel Oh, We have.

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Speaker 4: A lot to tackle this morning.

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Speaker 2: We're going to preview that big Trump putin Alaska summit.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to take an early look at how

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Speaker 2: the midterms are shaping up. We've got some news out

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Speaker 2: of Israel, including netnyahuo embracing the Greater Israel project, so

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Speaker 2: just mask fully off at this point. I'm also going

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Speaker 2: to take a look at Theo vonhad In, American doctor

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Speaker 2: who was just back from Gaz's pretty extraordinary episode. I

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Speaker 2: whole thing, but we have a clip from that. I

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Speaker 2: wanted to talk a little bit about that as well.

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Speaker 2: Marthorie Taylor Green and Laura Lumer in an Absolute flame

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Speaker 4: I don't know to dig into as well.

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Speaker 2: Congresswoman Luna is telling Joe Rogan about UFOs, so Sager

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Speaker 4: I guess I have some thoughts there. Well.

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Speaker 3: It's actually there's a lot going on there, Okay, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, you'll break that down for us. And then Israel

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Speaker 2: wanting to get him on for a little while to

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and start with that Trump Putin summit.

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Speaker 3: It is tomorrow. We'll have some reaction on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we'll get to that in terms of

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Speaker 1: our future programming notes. But we actually wanted to start

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Speaker 1: it off with Dave Smith, who was recently on Piers

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Speaker 1: Morgan's show, debating a very pro Ukraine, pro Western NATO

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen, what.

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Speaker 5: Are we doing. You're just trying to insult Vladimir Putin,

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Speaker 5: insult Russia. It's like the most childish immature, just taunting.

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Speaker 5: There's an actual war going on right now. Where hundreds

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Speaker 5: Why are we not all pushing in that direction. It

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Speaker 5: I'm not absolving Vladimir Putin of any responsibility. He launched

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Speaker 1: I thought he did a good job, kind of a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually find it almost similar maybe to the

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Speaker 1: That's part of the reason I think that Daryl Cooper's

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Speaker 3: Right, And that makes it what it's called nuance.

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Speaker 1: It's about understanding how these things don't happen necessarily in evacuate.

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Speaker 4: It's not an adulting version.

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Speaker 2: Where it's just like he's an evil bad guy, so

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Speaker 2: it's like the cartoon version of it. And I will

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Speaker 4: It was like some I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know, Russian State TV propaganda's and so that was

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Speaker 4: So Peers is more pro Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: the actions that multiple US administrations, including the first Trump one,

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Speaker 2: And so, you know, if you are interested in trying

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Speaker 2: to bring this thing to a close, you have to

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Speaker 2: live in reality. The other alternative being offered here is

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Speaker 2: just what endless war or you know, if we're actually

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Speaker 2: going to try to get Ukraine to quote unquote win

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Speaker 2: that's what's driven me crazy about this conflict from the

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Speaker 2: it's just a mess and a quagmire. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm not particularly hopeful about this summit this weekend. I'll

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Speaker 2: we'll have some indications you're about to share of, you know,

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Speaker 2: not great signs going into it.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm just at this point there really needs to be

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Speaker 3: I don't see it either.

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Speaker 1: Here's Trump talking about the summit, setting expectations.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listener.

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Speaker 4: Let's your face.

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Speaker 5: Any consequences if Vladimir Putin does not agree to stop

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Speaker 5: the war after your meeting on Friday.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they will.

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Speaker 3: What will they will be?

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Speaker 1: Cons There will be I don't have to say there

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Speaker 1: will be very severe consequences. Yes, very severe consequences. I'm

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Speaker 1: which sounds reasonable in practice, like maybe in business, but

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Speaker 1: There's been multiple reports out now, none of it contradicted

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Speaker 3: I'm going to read it here.

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Speaker 1: Quote ceasefire as a prerequisite for any further talks. Quote,

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Speaker 1: Already on the Ukrainian side, it's going to be very

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Speaker 1: difficult to get a deal. Why because Zelensky has a

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Speaker 1: He has to bring it to the people. Now, he

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Speaker 1: exactly how many troops have been killed, but it's a lot,

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands probably, you know, the Russians will claim. Otherwise,

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Speaker 1: there doesn't seem to be very much. There just doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem to be a whole lot of descent. They somehow

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Speaker 1: seem to have solve that problem. I guess the population

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Speaker 1: just supports it, unlike they did in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 3: I really have no other explanation.

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Speaker 1: I also read that they're paying very generous salaries to

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Speaker 1: a lot of the draftees or a lot of the

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Speaker 1: people who will come in from the Caucuses or these

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Speaker 1: other regions, much more than they could ever earn otherwise,

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Speaker 1: and so even the widowers and the families are like, well,

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Speaker 1: it sucks, you know, to lose your husband, but I'm

451
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Speaker 1: getting a pension for the rest of my life. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how they did it. I'm not an expert

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Speaker 1: or anything, but what I thought that this could be

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Speaker 1: an Afghanistan type situation for them.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't appear to be.

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Speaker 1: People. They seem willing as a polity to accept hundreds

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Speaker 1: of thousands, if not millions of casualties in Ukraine. There

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Speaker 1: has been zero actual internal descent since twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of the draft.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it may have worked out for them because

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Speaker 1: the Western style elites they all just left Russia and

462
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Speaker 1: so everybody who's left is like, yeah, we're on board,

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Speaker 1: We're you know, we're on the train.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They have a large, you know, relatively poor, rural population

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Speaker 2: that is committed, that believes in the war goals, like

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Speaker 2: believes in the aims, and you know for whom those

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Speaker 2: those salaries are quite appealing. And so I, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm I don't know, but that's my guess as to

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Speaker 2: why they've been able to sustain this high rate of

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Speaker 2: casualty without having any notable significant societal backlash as far

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Speaker 2: as we can tell, you know, as outsiders looking in. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, with regard to the ongoing war tactics, there

475
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Speaker 2: was actually a great quote in that piece. One of

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Speaker 2: the said, you know, big Soviet army beats little Soviet army,

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Speaker 2: basically saying like, yeah, they use these same terrible tactics

478
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Speaker 2: of just throwing men into a meat grinder and never

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Speaker 2: wanting to retreat even when it makes sense, letting their

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Speaker 2: troops get encircled and slaughtered. But they have a lot

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Speaker 2: more people than we do, so in the end, how

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Speaker 2: do you think that that is ultimately going to work out?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: There was also some some quotes in here from a

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Speaker 2: guy who's fifty years old wanted to go fight, signed up.

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Speaker 2: He was like, you know, he'd never handled a weapon before,

487
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Speaker 2: had zero training, never been in the military before, but

488
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Speaker 2: wanted to serve and thought that he could go in

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Speaker 2: and get some training and go do something that wasn't

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Speaker 2: really on the front line. I mean, again, he's fifty

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Speaker 2: years old, he's never been in warfare before, he's never

492
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Speaker 2: fired a weapon before, and they didn't even give him

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Speaker 2: a gun before they send him to the front lines,

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Speaker 2: and he you know, he laughed, he was he was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing this.

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Speaker 3: That's the Soviet thing.

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Speaker 4: I've everything, I'm not doing this.

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Speaker 2: And apparently they have a lot of deserters because of

499
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Speaker 2: exactly this. They're like, you didn't give me any training.

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Speaker 2: You're sending one in the front lines. The you know,

501
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Speaker 2: guy who's in charge here is just willing to, you know,

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Speaker 2: let us get encircled and slaughtered, like we're not doing it.

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Speaker 2: And so, you know, you also have that dynamic unfolding

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Speaker 2: on the ground here too. But you know, your point

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Speaker 2: about us having all the cards with regard to Ukraine

506
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Speaker 2: is a really important one, really important. You know, the

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Speaker 2: party that we really have the most ability to pressure

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Speaker 2: is the Ukrainians.

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Speaker 4: They are very dependent on us. That's just the reality.

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Speaker 2: And so you know, pressure needs to be put on them,

511
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Speaker 2: and it needs to be done in order to secure

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Speaker 2: a deal that yes, they're going to be unhappy with, right.

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Speaker 2: It's it's not like in order to bring this war

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Speaker 2: too close now it would require territorial concessions.

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Speaker 4: There's just no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: Certainly, crimea you know, Eastern Ukraine and what needs to

517
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Speaker 2: happen is there needs to be some ability to create

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Speaker 2: face saving for Zelenski, Like, if you're interested in actually

519
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Speaker 2: bringing this thing to a close, you put pressure behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes, You try to resolve the underlying issues that

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Speaker 2: led Russia to, you know, create to launch this illegal

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Speaker 2: invasion to begin with, and you try to create some

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Speaker 2: sort of face saving pretext for Zelenski so that he

524
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Speaker 2: has because his ego is massive, clearly, and he's backed

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Speaker 2: himself sort of into a rhetorical corner, so that he

526
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Speaker 2: has some sort of an out And it just seems

527
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Speaker 2: from the beginning the complete opposite policy has been pursued.

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Speaker 2: You know, the pressure has been on the Russian side,

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Speaker 2: so Lencia gets publicly humiliated. That actually doesn't help you

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Speaker 2: in terms of trying to get him to back off

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Speaker 2: of his egoistic position, which you should be doing is

532
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Speaker 2: pumping him up in public and then putting the pressure

533
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Speaker 2: on behind the scenes to force an outcome that again

534
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Speaker 2: is like not ideal and is going to be deeply painful,

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Speaker 2: but increasingly the Ukrainian population is actually open to Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that look all well said the prop the summit,

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Speaker 1: you know, the initial by the way, as you know,

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Speaker 1: I loved the initial office meeting.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was great.

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Speaker 1: I was like, he needs to be put into his place,

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Speaker 1: and finally that we can break you know, in terms

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Speaker 1: of our so called special relationship, we could force him

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Speaker 1: to the table. But since then it's like I said,

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Speaker 1: Trump totally about face and this is not an advisor's thing.

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Speaker 1: I really believe that he seemed to think that he

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Speaker 1: could just use his relationship with Putin to bring the

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Speaker 1: conflict to an end, and I did not understand the

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Speaker 1: fundamental spot in Putin. The thing is about Putin is

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Speaker 1: he's crazy, but he has very rational objectives from within

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Speaker 1: his worldview. If you look at it, he disregards which

551
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Speaker 1: is insane, you know, the existence of all of these outs,

552
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Speaker 1: like these breakaway republics. He thinks the Treaty of Breslatosk

553
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Speaker 1: is like one of the greatest disasters to ever befall

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Speaker 1: the history of Russia, and that the tragedy was the

555
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Speaker 1: fall of the Soviet Union from the demise of a

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Speaker 1: great power, and that they've been bullied by the West.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, he is a czar through and through

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Speaker 1: in his security, defense or depth vision. Well for him,

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Speaker 1: if you look at him in that you know view.

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Speaker 1: It's personality has nothing to do with it. Yes, he

561
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Speaker 1: will use you as a personality to get relations or

562
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Speaker 1: any of it, but he only cares about one thing.

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Speaker 1: He invaded Ukraine for a reason and he will continue,

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Speaker 1: you know, along the same reason path. They've committed their

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Speaker 1: entire country towards this end. They will not simply give

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Speaker 1: up because of a nice phone call. Sanctions don't matter anymore, none.

567
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Speaker 3: Of this stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's all about territory and if and with the current side,

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Speaker 1: I mean even on the Ukrainian side and the Europeans,

570
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Speaker 1: they're like, we will never recognize diplomatically any of this territory.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we can live with it, but we will never

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Speaker 1: diplomatically recognize it. I'm like, I just don't see a

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Speaker 1: scenario where any of this stuff is going to fly

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Speaker 1: right where there's no How can you normalize relations or

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Speaker 1: any of that in the future. I guess the Korean model,

576
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Speaker 1: you know, some of these you know technically Koreas, you know,

577
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Speaker 1: state of war with a treaty and all of that.

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Speaker 1: It is possible, but it's very difficult to see with

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Speaker 1: the emotions and the way things are right now. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I come if I tie it back to Israel,

581
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Speaker 1: something I love that you said in one of our

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Speaker 1: last shows. You're like, Israel exists. It's not about right

583
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Speaker 1: to exist. We have to deal where we are today.

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Speaker 1: That's it, you know, we just have to look and

585
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: it's not just it's not nice, but that's geopolitics. It's

586
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Speaker 1: you know, there's no rights to territory. There's simply the

587
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Speaker 1: ability basically to take it or not. In Israel context,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of flipped because we're the ones enabling the

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Speaker 1: Russia of that region, and then out two sides of

590
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Speaker 1: our mouth, we're speaking differently. Yeah, and I get that it's.

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Speaker 2: Sometime more to blow up that international law consensus of

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Speaker 2: like territorial integrity, integrity and human rights than any other

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Speaker 2: country on the planet.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, again, it's like the country that invaded Iraq

595
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Speaker 1: based on the Coalition of the Willing, is going to

596
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Speaker 1: go around telling people about territorial integrity. What are we

597
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Speaker 1: doing here? You know, the country that toppled Libya and

598
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Speaker 1: turned it into a failed state, Syria. Look at where

599
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Speaker 1: it is right now, led by literally al Qaeda. You know,

600
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Speaker 1: it's like one of these where this commitment to democratic

601
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Speaker 1: norms or any of that stuff. It has never been

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Speaker 1: US policy. And in fact, I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: by by holding that up and continuing to act the

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Speaker 1: way that we've done, it's exactly why we are where

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Speaker 1: we are with Russia, with Ukraine, with so many of

606
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Speaker 1: these other different conflicts, and yeah, it just really holds

607
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Speaker 1: us back. So anyway, that's the table set. We'll see

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Speaker 1: what the hell happens. Yeah, it could all go otherwise.

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Speaker 1: I remember hell Sinki where it was totally different. Yeahright,

610
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Speaker 1: so it could be very pro putin.

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Speaker 2: I could absolutely possible that we're eating Crow by Monday,

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Speaker 2: and we would be happy to do it. US programming note,

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Speaker 2: we are going to forego the Friday show in order

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Speaker 2: for Saga and Ryan actually going to cover the results

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Speaker 2: of the summit on Saturday morning. So we're going to

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Speaker 2: have a Saturday show and Friday show, so everybody look

617
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Speaker 2: for that.

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Speaker 1: That's right, because the powers that be decided that Alaska

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Speaker 1: is five hours behind, and so by the time we

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Speaker 1: even get all the news and all that, it probably

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Speaker 1: won't be It could be midnight or something like that

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Speaker 1: if it all runs late, which, by the way, having

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Speaker 1: covered some of these diplomatic summits, they always go way

624
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Speaker 1: longer than they're supposed to. The meetings are scheduled twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: The last an hour and fifty minutes the pressentforate.

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Speaker 2: Ways to get the translation of what happened.

627
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Speaker 3: Yes, the instant readouts.

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Speaker 1: They're going to hold a just joint press conference, which

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be kind of fun. Actually, that's one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite traditions from the Washington Press Corps is it's

631
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Speaker 1: called a two and two where the American Press Corps,

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Speaker 1: when you get called on by your president, you actually

633
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Speaker 1: have the opportunity to ask putin a question. And so

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Speaker 1: whoever gets that, please do your homework. Don't ask some

635
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Speaker 1: dumb ass question. Actually ask something which is useful for

636
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Speaker 1: both for the Russians and for ourselves as well, So

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Speaker 1: you know, don't try and make yourself a dou hero

638
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Speaker 1: looking at you, Jim Acosta or any of these other people.

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Speaker 4: So we haven't done a lot on polling and where

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Speaker 4: we are.

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Speaker 2: As we head into I mean, I know we still

642
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Speaker 2: have a good bit of time before the midterms, but

643
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: trust me, these things are already taking shape, already heating up.

644
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Speaker 2: So we wanted to do spend a little bit of

645
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Speaker 2: time on the horse race and taking a look at

646
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Speaker 2: where things stand as best we can tell as of today.

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Speaker 2: Harryington did a breakdown civically on the issue of inflation

648
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Speaker 2: and how Trump has really fallen off a cliff on

649
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Speaker 2: the issue that voters continue to say is their number

650
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Speaker 2: one concern. Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 7: Look voters on Trump and inflation. He won the twenty

652
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Speaker 7: twenty four election because he was more trusted on inflation

653
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Speaker 7: than Kamala Harris was led by a margin of nine points.

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Speaker 1: Look at where his net approval.

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Speaker 7: Stands today though on inflation, my goodness, gracious, on the

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Speaker 7: issue that got him elected. He led on by nine

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Speaker 7: points on it last year, and now he's twenty five

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Speaker 7: points underwater. As I said, this is a complete and

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Speaker 7: total disaster for the president of the United States. Trust

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Speaker 7: which party more inflation? You go back to the twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty two mid terms. Look at this, Republicans led by

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Speaker 7: thirteen points on which party was more trust in inflation.

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Speaker 7: Look at where we are now, nearly a fifteen point

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Speaker 7: shift in the Democrats direction. It's within the margin of error,

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Speaker 7: but the Democrats up by a point, This just looks

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Speaker 7: totally different from where we were back in twenty twenty two, when,

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Speaker 7: of course Republicans took back the House. That's what Democrats

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Speaker 7: are trying to do this time around. What is the

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Speaker 7: top issue for you right now?

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Speaker 1: It's a run of way.

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Speaker 7: It's inflation. It's thirty four percent compared to the economy,

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Speaker 7: which is basically very similar at sixteen percent, Medicare and

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Speaker 7: Social Security at fourteen percent. But the bottom line is

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Speaker 7: voters in Paul after Paul after Paul say that Donald

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Speaker 7: Trump has taken his eye off the ball, off the

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Speaker 7: big issue of the day, which is inflation. And that

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Speaker 7: is why Donald Trump is way underwater on this issue,

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Speaker 7: and it's why Democrats have caught up to Republicans on

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Speaker 7: the all important issue of inflation and.

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Speaker 2: Tager In some ways, I think that last piece about

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Speaker 2: which issues are most important to people is maybe the

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Speaker 2: most devastating for Republicans because, as Harrynton points out, Trump

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Speaker 2: is now very unpopular on any economic issue, but inflation,

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Speaker 2: you know, certainly so inflation is the number one issue.

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Speaker 4: Economy in general is the number two issue.

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Speaker 2: I don't think just like firing the BLS person and

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Speaker 2: not putting out jobs report is really going to fix

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Speaker 2: that for them. And then number three is Medicare and

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Speaker 2: Social Security. Well, what do you think that's about. That's

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Speaker 2: about the Big Beautiful Bill. That's why people are concerned

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Speaker 2: about Medicare. And I do feel like the Big Beautiful

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Speaker 2: Bill is that, Like I don't, we probably need to

693
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Speaker 2: talk about it more because I think for average people

694
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Speaker 2: it's factoring into their perception of this presidency much more

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Speaker 2: than it's sort of given credit for.

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Speaker 4: Because just think about the numbers.

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Speaker 2: You have millions of people or now have to be

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Speaker 2: concerned about whether or not they're going to have healthcare

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Speaker 2: going forward. And you pair that with the fact that

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Speaker 2: the way that's being financed is a giant tax cut,

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Speaker 2: predominantly for the rich, and it is an utter political disaster.

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Speaker 1: Especially on the Medicaid front. Right yere, You're going to

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Speaker 1: see some impact. And I mean, by the way, part

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Speaker 1: of the problem with the messaging or whatever around this

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Speaker 1: is that you know, for a lot of people, they

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Speaker 1: didn't necessarily read Medicaid.

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Speaker 3: They thought maybe it's aid Medicare.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there are changes to Medicare as well, but

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Speaker 2: the bigger changes is certainly medic.

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Speaker 1: Your Medicaid snap, any of those types of programs. By

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Speaker 1: the way, just as you and I were talking, there

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Speaker 1: is a new report out that shows that the core

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Speaker 1: producer price the PPI inflation came in at three point

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Speaker 1: seven percent versus two point nine percent, and the stock

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Speaker 1: futures are diving literally.

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Speaker 3: Oh really, and I are talking right now.

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Speaker 1: The wholesale price rose by point nine percent in July,

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Speaker 1: which is much much more than, much more than expected. Quote,

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Speaker 1: the Producer Price Index, which features final demand goods and services,

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Speaker 1: jump point nine compared to the Dow Jones estimate of

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Speaker 1: zero point two percent. That's excluding food and energy prices.

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Speaker 1: So that's particularly wholesale goods, which is going to show

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Speaker 1: up at the grocery store. I know, point nine doesn't

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Speaker 1: sound like a lot, but it's much more about the

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Speaker 1: impact of the overall rise inflation. It's almost three times higher.

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Speaker 1: It's as high as has been since April of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one in terms of the jump. So that is

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Speaker 1: one where it could be a precursor to higher inflation.

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Speaker 1: Just again, though, that's going to be something that if

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Speaker 1: the economists, stock marketing, all these people are worried about,

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Speaker 1: that could be something that's showing up for you. Combine

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Speaker 1: it with the Social Security, that Medicare, any of this

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Speaker 1: stuff where again look, I mean social Security didn't get touched,

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Speaker 1: but the medicaid stuff, and in particular the tax cut,

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Speaker 1: because again, the thing about the tax cut that everybody

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Speaker 1: doesn't remember is that that's when the Trump presidency in

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen went off the rails. The first six months

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Speaker 1: of the first Trump administration was an outright battle inside

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Speaker 1: between like Paul Ryan and Jared Kushner and Steve Bannon.

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Speaker 1: Remember Steve Bannon had his white board for all the

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Speaker 1: things that they wanted to do, and there was even

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Speaker 1: the theater about the border wall. There was this floated

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Speaker 1: tax called the Border Adjustment Tax, which by the way,

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Speaker 1: would have been a great tax which went after remittances

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Speaker 1: and trade. It was supposed to be an initial kind

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Speaker 1: of trade imbalance way to correct with Mexico, and that

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Speaker 1: would have financed immigration enforcement. And the entire GEOP was like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: We're not doing that.

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Speaker 1: They're like, we're cutting taxes for rich people and that's it, right.

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Speaker 1: And so by the time that came out with the

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Speaker 1: corporate tax, the reduced taxes not only for corporations, but

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Speaker 1: for the highest income brackets that is really where Trump

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Speaker 1: sank to his lowest ever level of support. It makes

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Speaker 1: total sense to me. It's very similar to Obamacare. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you think back to the coverage of the twenty

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Speaker 1: ten election, the anger that was bubbling up in the

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Speaker 1: town halls was over Obamacare. But the country, even national

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Speaker 1: media can kind of moved on from there by that point.

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Speaker 1: They were talking about various different things, but that is

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Speaker 1: what slammed them at the ballot box. So it's very

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Speaker 1: possible that inflation and in particularly the capriciousness around trade policy.

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Speaker 1: What I have found is that Americans don't want to

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Speaker 1: tune into the news on the economy. They want it

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Speaker 1: to just run. And so when they have to check

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Speaker 1: every day, not only are their portfolio or businesses have

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Speaker 1: to pause deals and unpause, have to pause hiring and

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Speaker 1: then maybe reduce salary or if you have to think

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Speaker 1: about policy when it impacts their business.

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Speaker 3: That's when people get upset.

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Speaker 1: They don't want it to They only want to pay

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Speaker 1: attention whenever it's good, but when it's bad, that's not

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Speaker 1: what they want. And by and large, that's mostly where things.

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Speaker 3: Are right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you point it out to there are certain

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Speaker 2: certain key items where you can really see that price

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Speaker 2: hike directly as a result of tariffs. In fact, I

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Speaker 2: sent us this morning, Rocan is doing something smart. He's

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Speaker 2: introducing legislation to roll back, specifically the tariffs on coffee

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Speaker 2: because because we hit Brazil so hard, you know, because

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Speaker 2: we're mad at them over their court decisions with regard

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Speaker 2: to bolscenario, that is causing coffee prices to spike dramatically.

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Speaker 2: It also is causing beef prices to write to spike dramatically.

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Speaker 2: Good probably for American cattle ranchers, but if you're trying

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Speaker 2: to include steak in your diet here in the US,

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Speaker 2: you know it's going to become much more costly. So

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Speaker 2: in any case, I thought that was a clever tactical

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Speaker 2: move from him and.

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Speaker 1: The coffee the pressure off yet, look is something I

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Speaker 1: think the vast majority of Americans drink coffee every single day.

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Speaker 1: If not, it's probably like seventy eighty percent. I need

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Speaker 1: to check the data. But the point is actually is

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Speaker 1: that if you look at the way it will really

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Speaker 1: impact you is if you buy it at a retail

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Speaker 1: chain like Starbucks or anything. By the way Starbucks are anything,

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Speaker 1: has anyone been recently? I never go to Starbucks or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's like five dollars, So what the hell is going

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Speaker 1: on here?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Exactly. I was like, I was like, whoa. I mostly

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Speaker 1: brew almost entirely all my own coffee. I'm pretty much,

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Speaker 1: you know, immune from whatever the retail market. But every

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Speaker 1: once in a while you'll just check and you're like,

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Speaker 1: what the hell is going.

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Speaker 2: I mean, even if you're not going to Starbucks, Like

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Speaker 2: how many you know, blue collar guys are going out,

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Speaker 2: you know, early morning, they're stopping at seven eleven getting

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Speaker 2: their cup of as they're on the road how to

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Speaker 2: do their job. I mean, this is very common, you

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Speaker 2: know experience, cross class experience, and those would be the

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Speaker 2: people who will be most sensitive to those price increases.

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Speaker 2: And so even if it's not five bucks at Starbucks,

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Speaker 2: you're still going to notice.

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Speaker 4: That price increase.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and get to this next slide that shows

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Speaker 2: you where the generic ballot is.

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Speaker 4: So this is just if you ask people.

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Speaker 2: Would you vote for the you know, whoever the Democrat

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Speaker 2: is or whoever the Republican is in your congressional district

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Speaker 2: without specific names attached who comes down on top and

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Speaker 2: you can see. Listen, let's all take the polls of

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Speaker 2: the grain of salt at this point in our lives,

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Speaker 2: at this point in American history. However, you have a

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Speaker 2: very consistent trend here in favor of Democrats. The overall

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Speaker 2: RCP average has them up three point five percent on

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Speaker 2: the generic ballot. You've had one poll from Yahoo News.

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Speaker 2: Actually this Atlas Intel one is the highest one up

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Speaker 2: on the board of plus eight for Democrats. More common

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Speaker 2: is more in the two three four type of range.

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Speaker 2: But you know, a significant edge, especially when you consider

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Speaker 2: that Republicans have a very narrow edge in the House. Now,

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Speaker 2: what is going to happen with all this redrawing of

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Speaker 2: the maps in Texas and California, New York and whatever's

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Speaker 2: going on there. I don't know, maybe Republicans, but I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think the very fact that they're pulling the fire

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Speaker 2: alarm to potentially do a new sense is to redraw

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Speaker 2: these maps, et cetera, shows you they don't feel real

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Speaker 2: great about their position going into the midterms either. Now,

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Speaker 2: on the other side, on the flip side, let's put

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Speaker 2: this next piece up on the screen. I think this

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Speaker 2: is what Republicans are kind of comforting themselves with. The

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party is wildly unpopular. Net favorability plunges to near

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Speaker 2: three decade low according to polls, and to me, Sager,

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Speaker 2: I think this reflects a lot of things. I mean

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Speaker 2: think there's just like a lot of mistrust of the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party overall. But the reason it's reached this historic

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Speaker 2: level of unpopularity, you know, and this is reflected in

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Speaker 2: the data, is because there are a lot of Democrats

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Speaker 2: that are disgusted with the Democratic Party. And I do

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Speaker 2: think Israel is a big part of that because it's

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Speaker 2: just such a you know, moral atrocity, it's such a

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Speaker 2: there's such massive divergence in you know, the numbers are

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Speaker 2: starker than maybe any other issue I've seen, the distance

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Speaker 2: between Democratic leadership and where.

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Speaker 4: The base is.

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Speaker 2: Then you add to that that they feel that they

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Speaker 2: aren't fighting the Trump administration. They aren't you going to

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Speaker 2: the mat to try to fight for democracy, fight against

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Speaker 2: their legislation in the ways.

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Speaker 4: That they want to see.

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Speaker 2: And then you see like Chuck Schumer and King Jeffrey's

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Speaker 2: not even willing to endorse their on mom Donny. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they're just an embarrassing, pathetic mess, especially like the higher

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Speaker 2: up you go, the more embarrassing and cringeworthy it becomes.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's a big part of why their

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Speaker 2: favorability has sunk to such historic lows.

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Speaker 1: I saw it actually in the DC context. Dave Weigel

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Speaker 1: was like, you know, because the DC mayor and the

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Speaker 1: politicians were all caught off guard, and Wigel was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you've only had seven months to prepare when he said

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Speaker 1: he was going to do it on the campaign trail.

872
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Speaker 1: It's like, so, if you're Chuck Schumer, fine, you know

873
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: you're not focused on Washington, d C. If you're Mayor Bowser,

874
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: it's like, what you.

875
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 3: Never thought about? It was like, you guys literally never

876
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 3: thought about it.

877
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: He had no plan for how this was all going

878
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: to go and police chief embarrassing yourself on national TV

879
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: or anything. It's like, so, what's happening? Yeah? Right, It's

880
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: like I think that's what's so frustrating Ryan for.

881
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: A lot of a councilwoman who was who's more on

882
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: the left, who was disgusted with her, and like, you know,

883
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: you're not even going to like try a lawsuit to

884
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: you know, may at least force them to say what

885
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 2: the emergency is like, at least go through that process.

886
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 4: But instead it was just like, eh, okay, what are

887
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 4: we going to do?

888
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just thought it was crazy the way that well. Actually,

889
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: DC another good example Eleanor Holmes Norton. If you live

890
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: in the Washington is your not she has a non

891
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: voting power in the House of Representatives. But it's symbolic.

892
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: But I mean, you have your politician, you're popularly elected.

893
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: What is she eighty eight years old? She has not

894
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: made a single public statement on what's happened, and is

895
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: running for really and is running for reelection and by

896
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: all accounts is basic. Look, I mean, you know, to

897
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: avoiding libel or whatever, hasn't showed up to a lot

898
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: of events. Yeah, a lot of questions by her some

899
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: of her constituents about her health, the DC political machine

900
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: doing nothing about it. And it's like, you look at that.

901
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: If you're watching a d C lib which statistically ninety

902
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: five percent of you are, you should be really mad

903
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: about that. I mean, you know, if everyone on license

904
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: plate says no taxation without representation, but it's like even

905
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: your representation is doing nothing. Again, I'm not saying you

906
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: know that I'm that if you're a Republican you should

907
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, that's hilarious, But if you're a Democrat

908
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: you should be mad. I mean, you should think about

909
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: it in the Republican context from back in nine. That's

910
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: exactly why they voted out so many of their leaders

911
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: in nine, or in twenty ten and again in twenty fourteen,

912
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: because they felt completely abandoned on the issues that were

913
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: the most core to that.

914
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what is different is that they do

915
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: feel abandoned. Democrats do feel abandoned by their leaders in

916
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: a way that is very different from any other time

917
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: you know that I've seen in modern history. And if

918
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: you play on that Tea Party twenty ten wave analogy,

919
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: you also had Republicans unpopular with their own base.

920
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 4: But that didn't mean that they didn't do well in

921
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 4: the midterms.

922
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 2: There was you know, a massive way of Obama called

923
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: it a shellacking. You know, so many Democrats swept down

924
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: of office. That ends up being incredibly consequential because then

925
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: you had the twenty ten census, then you had redistricting

926
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: that helps to lock in the political era that we're

927
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: in at this point in time. But in any case,

928
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: so I don't know that this number of Democratic unpopularity

929
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: is going to be the saving grace that Republicans hope

930
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: it is.

931
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 4: Now.

932
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: What I will say is if they were doing a

933
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: lot better, I think they would be poised. You know,

934
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: if they were fighting in a way and had a

935
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: clear and compelling message and had people who were younger

936
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: than eighty years old making that clear and compelling message

937
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: on a day to day basis, I think they would

938
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: be in position to truly romp and have you know,

939
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: an opportunity and maybe take back the Senate or things

940
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: like that. I think the fact that they are not

941
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: particularly trust will limit the gains, but I still think

942
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: they're probably in well possession, and history would indicate that

943
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: in this midterm you're likely to get a backlash against

944
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: the incumbent party in any case. The other thing that

945
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on that's coming up more rapidly

946
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: here is there are two states this year that have

947
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: their governor's races, New Jersey and it's Virginia. New Jersey

948
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: obviously more of a democratic state and Virginia, more of

949
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: a swing state, can put be four up on the screen.

950
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 4: So this race is.

951
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: Going to pit former undercover CIA agent Abigail span Burger.

952
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: Why are these spooks?

953
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 2: The Democratic Charity loves any like national security police whatever.

954
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 4: They love that this is a rama manual thing.

955
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: Actually recruited all these like veterans and you know, cops

956
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: and whatever. So anyway, that's who Abigail span Burger is.

957
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: She's very centristy kind of a Democrat. And the Republican

958
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: is win Some Sears, who is the current lieutenant governor,

959
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: and she right now Spanberger has a pretty wide and

960
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: as far as I can tell in the polls, quite

961
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:05,959
Speaker 2: consistent lead.

962
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 4: Now, again the polls can be.

963
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 2: Wrong, but I will say in Virginia she has Winsome

964
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Speaker 2: Sears has a particular problem because of Doche So many

965
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: federal government employees live in Virginia. And I'm not just

966
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: talking about northern Virginia, although Northern Virginia is where a

967
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: lot of the political power in the state is at

968
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: this point in time, you also have a lot of

969
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: federal government jobs throughout the state, surrounding many military bases, etc.

970
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 2: I mean, the little town I live in is based

971
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: around you know, civilian scientist naval research center called Dalgren

972
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: And so this is a very key issue and Winsome

973
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: Seers has not availed herself well when she's talking about dough.

974
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: She's been unable to separate herself in the Trump administration,

975
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: unable to separate herself from the DOGE federal government worker cuts,

976
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 2: and so you know, I think that has significantly hobbled

977
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 2: her chances, and I think it was going to be

978
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 2: a difficult race to be with. I believe I saw

979
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: something about the RGA basically like, Okay.

980
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 4: She's not funding.

981
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all a question how much she's going to.

982
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Spamberger might been what he thinks

983
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen points.

984
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: I don't think that's too far. So what's nine and

985
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: one by two the previous Well, what was the.

986
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 4: Twenty seventeen Spanberger by seven?

987
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: Spanburger by seven?

988
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: Wow, that's still actually lower than I would think, because

989
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: I mean, all indications right now are just a blowout.

990
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: Put B five up there on the screen. I sent

991
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: this because this is just shows you how crazy things are.

992
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: The Virginia Police Benevolent Association, which four years ago supported

993
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: every Republican in the state, is now backing Spanberger over

994
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: win some series.

995
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, she's done. We don't even have a choice.

996
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 2: Well, I think yeah, and I think that's what it is.

997
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: First of all, Spanberger did try to vote for like

998
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: police funding. She was certainly never a defund the policer, right,

999
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: But they they endorsed against her when.

1000
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 4: She ran for Congress.

1001
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: And so now I read it as they see the

1002
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: writing on the wall and they're like, we may as

1003
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 2: well endorse her and being good with her because it'll

1004
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 2: put us in a better position to advocate for whatever

1005
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: it is we want when she's governor. That's how I

1006
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: that's how I read the endorsement.

1007
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: I think that's the right way to see it.

1008
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: But the point is just that it's always been a

1009
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: precursor this one. I think, as you said, it's more

1010
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: of an outlier just because Doge.

1011
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: Is going to be so impactful.

1012
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: If you saw yesterday Emily and I covered the layoffs

1013
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: higher since twenty twenty one, a massive portion of it

1014
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: is government employees. Yeah, massive portion of those are going

1015
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: to live in Northern Virginia, and so those people are

1016
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: just I mean, I get these are my neighbors. They're irate,

1017
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: they hate They probably hate Trump more this time than

1018
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: last time because of Doge.

1019
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: You just can't stand it.

1020
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing is it's not just the direct

1021
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: federal government employees.

1022
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: The contractors here right with They all so.

1023
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 2: Many of these contracts, like the funding was cut. And

1024
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: you know, even if you're not losing your job, okay

1025
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: you don't, you're not on with this particular client. I

1026
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: was actually just talking to a woman about exactly this.

1027
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: She's like, well, they cut our contract over at a camera,

1028
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 2: but I think she was at USDA. And so now

1029
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 2: there's not really a place for me to go internally,

1030
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 2: So I'm just going to be working at like booz

1031
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: Allen Hamilton, you know, doing the whatever in the office.

1032
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: And so it's it has a wide ranging impact. And

1033
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: if you drive around this area, you know, within a

1034
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: forty mile radius, it's contractor after contractor after contractor. And

1035
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: this has been a huge upending of their lives. And

1036
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's the having to come into the office,

1037
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: it's the you know, the the change to lifestyle, the commuting,

1038
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: the pay cuts, the contract loss, the actual job loss,

1039
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: just the chaos and the uncertainty, which is very stressful.

1040
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: So that will definitely weigh on the Virginia race. I mean,

1041
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: in some ways, It'll be interesting to watch the New

1042
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: Jersey race. Even though all expectations are that the Democrat

1043
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: Mikey Cheryl, who's another like Centricty type of Democrat, all

1044
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: expectations are that she will end up prevailing, but the

1045
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: margin there will be interesting to see as well if

1046
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: there's some sort of Democratic over performance, especially since New

1047
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: Jersey was a state where Trump sort of overperformed.

1048
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's right. I mean, I still wonder how

1049
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: much of that is A twenty I think the twenty

1050
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: twenty four election will be the high water mark for

1051
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: Republicans and Republicanism for quite a long time. There's a

1052
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: lot of reasons for that. The popular vote, you have

1053
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: the popular vote, you have the vibe, you have Kamala like.

1054
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: There are multifaceted reasons for why it was. I think

1055
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: it could either be a flash in the pan or

1056
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: they could have built on it. I think the built

1057
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: on it has passed mostly at this point. I mean,

1058
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: they could still.

1059
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 3: Possible. It's very possible they could do it again.

1060
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: It would have to be I think, a total change

1061
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: both in the way that the two parties come into

1062
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty eight election. But yeah, just looking at

1063
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: where things are trending right now, and in terms of

1064
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 1: the way that they've handled themselves, it does not look

1065
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: like the midterms are going to go all that well,

1066
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: all jerry mandering or redistricting or whatever, withstanding, which is

1067
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: still such an same story the way that.

1068
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: They can also screw themselves with that if yeah, I

1069
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: tried it, if they try to be too cute and

1070
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: make the districts a little too tight, they could like

1071
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: it's not you know.

1072
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rian made that point.

1073
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: If you go fifty two forty eight in every single district,

1074
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: you can find yourself in some serious upsets, which happens

1075
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: in Texas all the time.

1076
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: Especially because Trump as this particular unique pull pull. So

1077
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 2: the numbers that Trump pulled, let's say, with Latino voters

1078
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: in you know, the Rio Grand Valley in Texas, you

1079
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: can't rely on another random Republican to be able to

1080
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 2: pull the Ted Cruise or whoever to be able to put.

1081
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: Texts when in South Texas, you know, yeah, they probably

1082
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: hate him. Yeah, HiT's that absoually Sorry, I'm sure John

1083
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: Cornyn is going to clean up down in Laredo. You know,

1084
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: It's like that's not.

1085
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: Happening exactly, And so I think, you know, I think

1086
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: that's that makes it even diceier is that Trump is

1087
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: sort of like his own entity, so you don't have

1088
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: as much predictability about the way individual like voting groups

1089
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: are going to behave So anyway, will continue to track that.

1090
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Speaker 2: That's an interesting story in and of itself. Agreed, All right,

1091
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: let's go and throw this up on the screen. A

1092
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 2: little update about some of the full mask off that

1093
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: the Israelis are going on at this point. So Netanyahu

1094
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: says he is on a historic and spiritual mission and

1095
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: that he feels a connection to the vision of greater Israel.

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00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 4: Let me go ahead and read this.

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00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: Specifically, He was asked if he feels a connection to

1098
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: that vision of greater Israel. Not now who says quote

1099
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: very much that question about a greater Israel. After he

1100
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 2: asked a premiere if he feels he's on a mission

1101
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: on behalf of the Jewish people, Netanyaho answers, he's on

1102
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: a mission of generations. There are generations of Jews that

1103
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 2: dreamt of coming here and generations of Jews who will

1104
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: come after us. So if you're asking if IY have

1105
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: a sense of mission historically and spiritually, the answer is yes,

1106
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 2: And this has been a pretty consistent theme here. Sager that,

1107
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: like from the beginning, if you listen to either the

1108
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,959
Speaker 2: most hyperbolic leftist or the most psychotic settler, you would

1109
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: have a much better understanding. Certainly, don't listen to the

1110
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: Western press. Certainly, don't listen to the US politicians who

1111
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: just pretend they have no idea what's going on, even

1112
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 2: as you have words directly out of the mouths of

1113
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister or the Minister of Defense, like the

1114
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 2: you know, smoke Chrich Ben Givier, the members of his coalition,

1115
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 2: et cetera. They just pretend they don't hear or see

1116
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: any of that. But at this point in time, Netanyahu

1117
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 2: is feeling so emboldened thanks to a combination of Biden

1118
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: and now Trump, you know, enabling every atrocity and allowing

1119
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 2: him to do literally whatever he wants apparently that he

1120
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 2: is just out and out saying, yeah, greater Israel, I'm

1121
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: into that, just so people if they don't know. Now,

1122
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,959
Speaker 2: in fairness, there are apparently different conceptions of what quote

1123
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 2: unquote greater Israel might mean. Some of them mean just

1124
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: from the river to the sea, you might say, including

1125
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: quote unquote Judae and Samaria in the Israeli which is

1126
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: the West Bank in with Israel and Sagaza strip. But

1127
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: there is a more expansion, expansionative vision as well. We

1128
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: can put this map up on the screen that looks

1129
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: like this, you know, includes Egypt, includes part of Egypt,

1130
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: part of Saudi Arabia, part of Iraq, part of Syria,

1131
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: all of Jordan, you know, the Sinai Peninsula of course,

1132
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: all of Israel plus the West Bank plus Gaza.

1133
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 4: So you know, just putting it out.

1134
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: There that this is a potential vision, and certainly the

1135
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: actions that Israel has taken, given that they have been

1136
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 2: bombing almost all of these countries over the past couple

1137
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: of years, again with our support and arming them, makes

1138
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: it much less preposterous than it felt at one point.

1139
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 4: We can put this up on the screen. C three.

1140
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia very unhappy with these comments from Prime Minister

1141
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: net Nyahuu Foreign Ministry, expressing the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's

1142
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 2: condemnation in the strongest terms possible of the statements made

1143
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: by the Prime Minister of the Israeli occupation government regarding

1144
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: the so called vision of Greater Israel, and expresses its

1145
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: outright rejection of the settlement and expansionist plans adopted by

1146
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: the Israeli occupation authority.

1147
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 4: So, Sager, what did you make of these comments?

1148
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: Well, uh, well, the Saudi Arabian ones are interesting because

1149
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: the entire theories, the Abraham.

1150
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 3: Accords and all of that.

1151
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: But the whole point around Greater Israel is just the

1152
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: ideological vision and divorcing it from the things that they

1153
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: say as in like, look, we're just about dismantling Hamas,

1154
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: we're just about occupying Gaza. We're not going to stay there,

1155
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: we promise, even though we said that there was going

1156
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: to be an indefinite presence. I mean, the reason why

1157
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: KSA is so upset about the map is because did

1158
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: you see the map that we put up like country?

1159
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: And the reason why you are forced to take it

1160
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: seriously is because of the actions of the Israeli government

1161
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: under Nata Yahu. If it was just Gaza, it would

1162
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: be part of the Greater Israel project. But you have

1163
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: to contextualize it with the current treatment of the West Bank,

1164
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: of the two tiered system of justice, of the indefinite

1165
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: presence in Lebanon, of the indefinite presence in Syria of

1166
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: the overthrowing of this series government and then if basically

1167
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: trying to establish a druze Israeli free zone inside of

1168
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: a country outside of the goal on heights of the

1169
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: sixty seven you know recognized bards, right. So, like all

1170
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: of these things point to an expansionist rogue power and

1171
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: we're going to get to a little bit later on

1172
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: in the show about the potential war with Iran. But

1173
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: it all fits together as part of something which is

1174
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: just destabilization, regime change everywhere else in order to serve

1175
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: this smaller nation which could never do any of this

1176
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: without the backstop of the United States for America.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really the point.

1178
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: They recognize the historic moment that they're in where support

1179
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: for Israel is plummeting off. I mean, we're the only

1180
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: country that really matters to them, and support for them

1181
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: is plummeting off a cliff. They've already lost the Democratic Party.

1182
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 4: It's gone.

1183
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to get a twenty twenty

1184
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: eight Democratic nominee who holds the same positions that Joe

1185
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 2: Biden and Obama and every other you know, bipartisan politician

1186
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 2: has on Israel and modern history. I don't think you're

1187
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: going to get that in twenty twenty, and I don't

1188
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: think it's going to be possible. And certainly the Democratic

1189
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: base is disgusted and horrified by what our tax dollars

1190
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: have done. On the Republican side, as we've discussed, you

1191
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: have a younger generation that thinks very differently. I think

1192
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 2: they know that, and so that's why they are really

1193
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: going for it, trying to secure this greater Israel vision,

1194
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: abandoning the pretext that this I mean, just think of

1195
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: how preposterous it is at this point to pretend like, oh,

1196
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 2: this is all just in self defense, and we're doing

1197
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 2: these limited targeted strikes against Hamas and this is just

1198
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: all about going after the bad guys who got us

1199
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: on October seventh. Utterly and completely preposterous when you consider

1200
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: the number of countries that they're bombing, the territory that

1201
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: they've annexed, the actions in the West Bank. You know

1202
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 2: that we're going to talk a little bit more about that.

1203
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 2: Jasper Nathaniel has been highlighting. I mean, the West Bank

1204
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: annexation is all but complete, and this is all in

1205
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: quote unquote self defense. For October seventh, you'd have to

1206
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 2: be a fool to believe that at this point, or

1207
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: a liar, which you know there are many of those

1208
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 2: as well. Just to take it back to what the

1209
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 2: settlers have been saying, because they've long been pushing this

1210
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: biblical vision quote unquote of greater Israel. Let's go and

1211
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 2: take a listen to Daniella Weiss explaining why this is

1212
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 2: central to her conception and her ideological goals.

1213
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: How big is that lan, Because it's very big.

1214
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 8: No, this is the promise of God to the patriarchs

1215
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 8: of the Jewish Nation. It's three thousand kilometers. It's almost

1216
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 8: as big as this is it?

1217
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: So this is the biblical Israel.

1218
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, so, and this is what's and so which countries artists.

1219
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 8: And which country don't mention? I think it's Iraq and Syria.

1220
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 8: So you thought of Saudi Arabia.

1221
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: This is a holy place.

1222
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 8: It's a place, one part of the universe that was

1223
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 8: chosen by God. It's a kind of a stage for

1224
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 8: the Jewish nation to express the ideals, the ideas and

1225
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 8: ideals of the Jewish nation.

1226
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 4: So there you go. It's very large, she lays out

1227
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 4: for you.

1228
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: It's a rock.

1229
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 2: It's Syria, it's part of Saudi Arabia. This is God's

1230
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 2: promise to us. This is also why like theocracies are

1231
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: really bad, because if you believe that your religion justifies

1232
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: a genocide, rogue wars against all your neighbors, this incredibly

1233
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: you know, expansionist, aggressive foreign policy.

1234
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 4: If you believe that.

1235
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: And you know, obviously net Nyahu is sort of embracing that,

1236
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 2: even though himself he's like more of a secular figure,

1237
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: but he's allied with these hardcore religious figures and you know,

1238
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: who have absolutely psychotic ideas about what the state should

1239
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 2: be and what they should do to effectuate it. You

1240
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: end up with absolute horror, which is exactly what we

1241
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: do have.

1242
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: And it fits actually with this next piece to put

1243
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: it up there on the screen. This is very significant

1244
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: and inside of Israel is actually getting a lot of play.

1245
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: So after a twenty year freeze, the Finance Minister Besilosmotrich

1246
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: has approved the construction of new housing units in an

1247
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: area where the development has been blocked. The reason why

1248
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: even these psycho settler movements and others have not allowed

1249
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: settlers to go and be there is because doing so

1250
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: would quote effectively block the establishment of a Palestinian state

1251
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: due to its strategic position separating areas south of Jerusalem

1252
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: from those to its north. And actually they followed it

1253
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: up this morning Prosmotrich in a press conference in the country,

1254
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: where he said, by doing this, we quote bury the

1255
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: idea of a Palestinian state.

1256
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 3: Just again.

1257
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: To understand exactly while all this is happening, and even

1258
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: in the Israeli press, here's what they say. To understand

1259
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 1: the significance, we have to go back to nineteen forty eight,

1260
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: during the War of Independence, the Arab malicious place to

1261
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: siege on Jerusalem. After they broke the siege, the Holiest

1262
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: site has now been under Jordanian I occupation until the

1263
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: IDF liberated it in nineteen sixty seven. The siege left

1264
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: a stain on the consciousness of Israeli leadership, but they've

1265
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: kept it open for the potential establishment of a Palestinian state.

1266
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: So now by green lighting, yes, even this small settlement

1267
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: of thirty four hundred people, the strategic location of it

1268
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: is a is a signal to the Palestinians, to the

1269
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: Arab States, to the Jordanians and others it's not happening.

1270
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: It's also meant as a counter diplomatic signal to all

1271
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: of the Western countries which are talking about recognizing Palestinian statehood.

1272
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: You can't recognize statehood if it doesn't exist in any

1273
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: sort of conception.

1274
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what people say, is like, okay, point to

1275
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 2: me on the map where the Palestinian state is, because

1276
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: this is you know, this is an extraordinarily provocative and

1277
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: I think significant development in terms of blocking any future

1278
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: Palestinian state Smotriche again, he says it. You know, this

1279
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 2: isn't us just like theorizing or making it up. They

1280
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: put it out there and make it plain what is

1281
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 2: going on here. And this is what Jaspernathdaniel wrote about

1282
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: in that piece that we interviewed him about. He actually

1283
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: talked about this specific development and how consequential it was

1284
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 2: in terms of locking the possibility of a Palestinian state.

1285
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: So this is what's going on. This is why annexation

1286
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 2: of the West Bank is de facto complete, because the

1287
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 2: Israelis have in real life, like in what's actually happening

1288
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 2: on the ground right now, they have complete control over

1289
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 2: everybody's life who lives in the West Bank. They are

1290
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 2: living under Israeli government rule. And it is truly you know,

1291
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 2: I mean, any thought that this wasn't an apartheid system

1292
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: goes out the window when you realize that, yes, the

1293
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: Palestinians who live in the West Bank are fully under

1294
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 2: Israeli government control, and we know that they don't have

1295
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: any rights whatsoever. We know the settlers are encouraged to

1296
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: go and murder them, and then you know they get

1297
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: the settlers get off scott free and are just sent more,

1298
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 2: sometimes American made weapons. So that's the reality of what's

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Speaker 2: happening in the West Bank. And just to again tie

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Speaker 2: it in here, because it's not only the religious extremist

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Speaker 2: terrorists running Israel that are a problem and part of

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Speaker 2: what has created such an insane situation, you also have

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Speaker 2: some plenty of religion being invoked to justify our continued,

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Speaker 2: endless support of Israel here in the US as well.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to Lindsey Graham.

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Speaker 10: I am tired of the word genocide. Let me tell

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Speaker 10: you about genocide. If Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could,

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Speaker 10: They have the capability to do that, they choose not to.

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Speaker 10: To people in my party, I'm tired of this crap.

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Speaker 10: Israel is our friend, They're the most reliable friend we

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Speaker 10: have in the Mid East, there's democracy.

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Speaker 1: It's not a hard choice if you're a Christian.

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Speaker 10: A word of warning, if America pulls the plug on Israel,

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Speaker 10: God will pull the plug on us.

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Speaker 3: Israel is not the bad guy. They're the good guy.

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Speaker 10: The bad guys or the rag wal Islamis who would

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Speaker 10: kill everybody in this room.

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Speaker 3: They could.

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Speaker 10: So I haven't lost my vision of right and wrong

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Speaker 10: when it comes to foreign policy. President Trumps stood up

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Speaker 10: for all the right things, and he stood up against

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Speaker 10: wrong things.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the government that is starving babies to death, they're

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Speaker 2: the good guys.

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Speaker 4: Those are the good guys.

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Speaker 2: But he says if Americans pull the plug on Israel,

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Speaker 2: God will pull the plug on us. And Soger, perhaps

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Speaker 2: you want to weigh in on his statement that Israel's

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Speaker 2: the best friend.

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Speaker 4: We could ever have. They're great.

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Speaker 1: I can't weigh in whenever it's rooted in your biblical ideology,

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Speaker 1: which you know many of your own believers say is Harris.

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm not Christian.

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Speaker 1: You know it's not my job to sit here and

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Speaker 1: critique dispensationalism or whatever.

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Speaker 3: I can only just say I think.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy and not really the way that you should

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Speaker 1: conduct foreign policy based upon the particular interpretation of the Bible,

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Speaker 1: which is a much more recent development and divorced from

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Speaker 1: any sort of national interest. But that's Lindsay Graham and

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party for you.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's the other thing here with him. Does

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Speaker 1: he really believe this or does they just use it

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Speaker 1: as a cudgel. I actually don't know which one it is.

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Speaker 1: I kind of think the latter, because you know, look,

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham, he has crazy beliefs.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's a dumb guy.

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Speaker 1: I think what he does is see clearly to preserve

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Speaker 1: his like neo conservative ideology that the one last bastion

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Speaker 1: of pro Israel support is these Kufi John Hagy evangelical Republicans.

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Speaker 3: South Carolina is full of them.

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Speaker 1: And so that's the one way that he can message

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Speaker 1: himself as like the upholder of their religion in terms

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Speaker 1: of their foreign policy priorities. That's the only way I

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Speaker 1: could possibly see it and to hold on to any

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Speaker 1: sort of like grasp organically at a political level. But

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Speaker 1: that is a window. And two is real support. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's all biblical, biblical.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you're right that it's probably cynical.

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Speaker 2: I mean, not that really makes the difference whether he

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Speaker 2: does or not. He has really certainly used it cynically

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Speaker 2: of course. You know, they see this long cultivated the

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Speaker 2: you know, evangelical Christian right in order to you know,

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Speaker 2: make sure that they have this solid base of support

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Speaker 2: in the US. And we have to say it's been

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Speaker 2: very successful for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, all right, let's go and get to this next piece.

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Speaker 2: I listened to this entire Theovon podcast. I really recommend

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Speaker 2: that you guys do as well. You know, THEO made

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Speaker 2: a lot of waves when he came out and said, listen, guys,

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Speaker 2: I think this is a genocide. He asked jd Vance

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Speaker 2: about it when he was on the show, and he

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Speaker 2: went a step further now by hosting a doctor, an

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Speaker 2: American doctor who is just back from GASA, you know,

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Speaker 2: for a full episode to discuss what this doctor saw

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Speaker 2: when he was there on the ground at NASA Hospital.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and take a listen to a portion.

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Speaker 11: Of this Saturday, they had the MCI it's called a

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Speaker 11: mass casualty incident, and they basically pull a fire alarm.

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Speaker 11: What the hell's that? Oh, every doctor come down to

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Speaker 11: the er to try to help, and so I was like, okay,

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Speaker 11: So went downstairs, got in there. There's just a brain

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Speaker 11: matter coming out of people. There's guts coming out of

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Speaker 11: people's abdomen, there's people's legs blown off, and someone's carrying

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Speaker 11: it in next to the you know, one of the

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Speaker 11: family members bringing it in for the doctors, and you know,

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Speaker 11: they think you can just reattach it and.

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Speaker 1: It's just like absolute chaos.

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Speaker 11: There's family members, security in the hospitals trying to push

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Speaker 11: out the family members so the doctors and nurses can

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Speaker 11: take care of the patients. It's it's absolute chaos. And

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Speaker 11: then US American physicians are just like looking at it here,

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Speaker 11: They're like what is going on here? And you know

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Speaker 11: that was that was that's when reality hit and I

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Speaker 11: was like, okay, this must be like a one off,

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Speaker 11: and it just kept happening every day and sometimes multiple

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Speaker 11: times a day. Essentially, basically, we can we found the

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Speaker 11: pattern related to when the GAHF sites were opening up.

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Speaker 2: So he's there backing up the claims which we heard

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Speaker 2: directly from a doctor who was just recently back. We

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01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 2: of course heard from Anthony Aguilar GHF whistleblower that when

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Speaker 2: the sites are active, you are going to have mass

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Speaker 2: casualty incidents. You were going to have, he says, hundreds

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Speaker 2: of people showing up in the hospital wounded, you know,

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Speaker 2: in the conditions that he describes.

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Speaker 4: There were a couple other.

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Speaker 2: Moments Soccer that I also thought were really interesting, I

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Speaker 2: mean horrifying. He said that he heard of people who

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Speaker 2: were basically trying to commit suicide by GHF, where you know,

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Speaker 2: in Islam, suicide is banned, and so people would talk about,

1413
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Speaker 2: like listen, if I lose my family, like I'm just

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Speaker 2: going to go to one of these GHF sites and

1415
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Speaker 2: hope that they take me out. Like that's how grim

1416
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Speaker 2: and dire the situation was. And yet he was really inspired,

1417
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 2: you know, but of course by the people he saw there.

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Speaker 2: He was really man doctors are cut out of a

1419
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Speaker 2: different cloth, because he felt so energized by just getting

1420
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Speaker 2: to go and help care for people and like be

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Speaker 2: in this situation where he was able to do something

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Speaker 2: and not just walk from watch from Afar, so, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's just remarkable to see the way these people operate.

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Speaker 2: And then there was also a moment that I thought

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Speaker 2: was pretty interesting from THEO because he explained more why

1426
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Speaker 2: he felt the need to speak out on this and

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Speaker 2: come forward, even he felt some pressure not to. And

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Speaker 2: he's like, you know, from the time that you're a kid,

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Speaker 2: you're taught endlessly about the Holocaust and this idea of

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Speaker 2: like this genocide and can never happen again, and then

1431
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Speaker 2: you see it happening and you're supposed to stay quiet.

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Speaker 2: So he, you know, he sort of really took in

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Speaker 2: at face value this idea of like we can't be

1434
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Speaker 2: involved in that. We when we said never again, we

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Speaker 2: really actually should mean it, And that's why he felt

1436
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Speaker 2: the need to say something and speak out, even though

1437
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Speaker 2: that's obviously, you know, sort of an uncomfortable place for

1438
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Speaker 2: him to be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think for him, he is just

1440
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: naturally found out about the issue.

1441
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Speaker 3: He's horrified by the issue.

1442
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Speaker 1: He's not boxing into politics since he's like, this is

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Speaker 1: how a normal person reacts.

1444
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Speaker 3: So it's actually a.

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Speaker 4: Good barometer I think for a lot of you know, yeah.

1446
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Speaker 1: Because for most people, they're not coming in with all

1447
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Speaker 1: the baggage of Washington and the social consequences and they're like, yeah,

1448
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Speaker 1: I think this is really messed up.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: And then actually it's when you get the backlash that

1451
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Speaker 1: you're like, WHOA, am I crazy? And then that's the

1452
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Speaker 1: battle test for THEO and for Miss Rachel. It's kind

1453
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Speaker 1: of fascinating the track of Miss Rachel, if you go

1454
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Speaker 1: and you look at it is. She started out with

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Speaker 1: a single thing where she's like, my heart weeps for

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Speaker 1: the babies of Israel and Gaza boom, I mean mass attack.

1457
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Speaker 1: Then she did her hop Little Bunnies song with a

1458
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Speaker 1: three year old girl who got her leg blown off.

1459
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Speaker 1: Same thing. Now it's like anti semi anti, and she

1460
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Speaker 1: had to decide, I've actually been listening to some interesting

1461
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Speaker 1: episodes and stuff where she talks about this, and she

1462
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Speaker 1: was like, look, I mean, by the way, look let's

1463
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Speaker 1: not tony.

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Speaker 3: Miss Rachel's filthy rich, right, So at this point, you

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Speaker 3: don't need to do it for the money.

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Speaker 1: You're one of the most watched YouTube videos Netflix and

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Speaker 1: all that.

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Speaker 3: You're a brand.

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Speaker 1: And so she's like, okay, so if I'm the next

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Speaker 1: mister Rogers, which she considers herself like in that vein,

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Speaker 1: she looked back to a nineteen sixty nine episode that

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Speaker 1: mister Rogers did where he hosted a black man and

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Speaker 1: they both put their feet in the same pool as

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Speaker 1: a statement against segregator. He didn't make he didn't make

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Speaker 1: anything about it. It was just one of those things

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Speaker 1: by doing it treated as normal statement against Jim Crow

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Speaker 1: and against segregation. So she sees herself now in that

1478
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Speaker 1: vein where you've made enough money that you don't care anymore,

1479
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Speaker 1: and then you set yourself at the standard. And what

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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of these Zionists and pro

1481
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Speaker 1: Israel supporters don't understand is that when you bring the

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Speaker 1: full hammer down on people, especially if you're independent like

1483
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Speaker 1: THEO or Miss Rachel or places like this show, you

1484
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: don't have the tools of control, you actually make us

1485
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Speaker 1: be like no, actually screw you, Like we're going all in,

1486
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Speaker 1: going all in. Yeah, we're going all in. We're talking

1487
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Speaker 1: about intermarriage, We're talking about Jewish supremacy, like we're we're

1488
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Speaker 1: putting it all on the table now. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's what they underestimated in terms of us popular culture,

1490
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Speaker 1: is that for the Internet and for people who don't

1491
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Speaker 1: have their ties to all these think tanks or whatever,

1492
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Speaker 1: you can speak very very freely and say whatever you want.

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Speaker 3: And so you know and acknowledge reality.

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Speaker 1: And that's part of the consequence of how this has

1495
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Speaker 1: all gone about, and it's actually really pushed people and

1496
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Speaker 1: made them feel as if they have a responsibility a

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Speaker 1: certain point to be like, no, I need to counter

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Speaker 1: you know, all this other bs that's out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's why the tactics become increasingly heavy handed,

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Speaker 2: where it's like, Okay, we're going to deport you, we're

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Speaker 2: going to arrest you, we're going to you know, block

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Speaker 2: your block, We're going to install an IDF sensor at TikTok.

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Speaker 2: You know, they've become increasingly desperate. And it also ties

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Speaker 2: in back to what we're saying about you know, them

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Speaker 2: really grow going for it with the Greater Israel Project

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Speaker 2: and the co Fleet annexation both of the West Bank

1507
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Speaker 2: and the Gaza Strip, because they recognize that there's a

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Speaker 2: limited runway here for them at this point. One other

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Speaker 2: thing I wanted to highlight is Emma Biggeland interviewed over

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Speaker 2: on the Majority Report, UH doctor who was talking about

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Speaker 2: you know, what what he saw in the ways in

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Speaker 2: which he believes uh. And this is backed up by

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Speaker 2: you know, a Lancet study and other other studies of

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Speaker 2: the death count. Why he believes the official death count

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Speaker 2: is such a wild understatement.

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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and take a listen to a little

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Speaker 4: bit of that.

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Speaker 9: The numbers are a wild undercount.

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Speaker 3: That's perfect.

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Speaker 9: I can tell you, for example, about malnutrition. So I

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Speaker 9: work within the Ministry of Health System. Right we as

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Speaker 9: what are called emergency medical teams, international doctors and nurses

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Speaker 9: and allied health professionals. We go in in solidarity with

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Speaker 9: medical teams, and so we sort of follow their lead

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Speaker 9: in terms of how they do things. When I document

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Speaker 9: what the cause of death is for somebody, everybody receives

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Speaker 9: a piece of paper that says how they died. What

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Speaker 9: our directive is is that if there's anything other than

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Speaker 9: simple malnutrition that's causing this death, don't write it down

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Speaker 9: as a malnutrition case. You can write it as secondary tertiary,

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Speaker 9: but don't write that this person died for malnutrition. Similarly,

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Speaker 9: Palestinians do not count the debt unless they have been

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Speaker 9: to a hospital. So, for example, there have been many

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Speaker 9: AID massacres, which by the way, is another kind of

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Speaker 9: depravity we haven't even touched upon. When the AID massacres

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Speaker 9: have been happening, there are many bodies that people tell me.

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Speaker 9: Lots of my patients will tell me their bodies stranded

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Speaker 9: there that we couldn't get to. We don't count those debts.

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Speaker 9: We don't count them even really as more than missing,

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Speaker 9: because we don't know for one hundred percent sure that

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Speaker 9: that person is dead. Like look at the lists the

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Speaker 9: Palestinians release. They release only the bodies they can identify

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Speaker 9: with the ID numbers attached to them. Of course, it's

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Speaker 9: a wild undercount. Think of how many people are under

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Speaker 9: the rubble, how many people are still in red zone,

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Speaker 9: how many people are thrown around laying dead in the sun,

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Speaker 9: including at GHF sites.

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Speaker 3: Of course, it's a wild undercount.

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Speaker 9: Really, credible organizations that have done these counts for other

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Speaker 9: places like Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo estimate

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Speaker 9: the number at this point to be five to six

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Speaker 9: times more easily. That's three hundred thousand people who were

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Speaker 9: very likely dead. And of course there's another concept in

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Speaker 9: medicine called excess deaths. So for example, I've seen numerous

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Speaker 9: number of people DIACIS patients. So I saw diacis patient too.

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Speaker 9: We worked on yesterday for a number of hours who

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Speaker 9: ended up dying in our account that person died of

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Speaker 9: a kidney related cause. But obviously that person who was malnourished,

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Speaker 9: they couldn't receive dialysis care the way they were supposed to.

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Speaker 9: They were killed by Israel, they were killed by the occupation,

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Speaker 9: but we don't count those as direct conflict related deaths.

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Speaker 2: So I thought that was a really effective explanation of

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Speaker 2: the ways in which and the very you know, rational

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Speaker 2: ways in which this is likely a very wild undercount.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I also think about Amir who was

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Speaker 2: killed at a J eight side and now just quote

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Speaker 2: unquote missing. You know, how many other people were I

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Speaker 2: mean likely what happened is Israelis came in with their

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Speaker 2: bulldozer and he is buried somewhere under the sand thereby

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Speaker 2: that GHF. It's very likely the case, you know, as

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Speaker 2: they come through and they use the bulldozers to destroy

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Speaker 2: all of Gaza city, Like how many bodies under the

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Speaker 2: rubble will never be recovered? And then he talks about,

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Speaker 2: you know, people who have other conditions, they're not able

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Speaker 2: to get the medical treatment they need. Their bodies are

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Speaker 2: incredibly stressed by hunger and a lack of clean drinking water,

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Speaker 2: and the endless displacement, and now they're exposed to the

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Speaker 2: elements with there's been extraordinary heat wave in the Gaza

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Speaker 2: strip and those deaths don't get counted in the official

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Speaker 2: war death toll. So you know, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: we'll ever know exactly what the count is, but I

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Speaker 2: think we can say with a lot of confidence now

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Speaker 2: it is wildly higher. The number of people who have

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Speaker 2: been killed by Israel during this genocide is wildly higher

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Speaker 2: than the official number. And if anything, the news media

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Speaker 2: downplays that number. Its oh the Gaza, you know, the

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Speaker 2: Hamas run Gaza health ministry.

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Speaker 3: We're not doing that anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, health ministry, trutherism or whatever. Look, eventually

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Speaker 1: one day we'll know. I actually that is point about

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Speaker 1: Rwanda and all of that was very apt because the

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Speaker 1: death soll did take a while for it all to

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Speaker 1: come in. It would make sense that you can't have

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Speaker 1: accurate accounting of the dead. I mean what you think

1595
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Speaker 1: the Nazis had a very accurate account right of who

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Speaker 1: they killed and when. It was more accurate than people thought.

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Speaker 1: But you know, people had to go back and look

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Speaker 1: to actually assemble all the records to come to the

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Speaker 1: numbers that they eventually did. So it's just one of

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Speaker 1: those where you know, you really have to just think

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Speaker 1: about that, both the death toll and the way that

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Speaker 1: it's being messaged. But I do broadly think that the

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Speaker 1: theovon Miss Rachel phenomenon on all of that is very

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Speaker 1: impactful on the culture in a way that a lot

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Speaker 1: of people in Washington are underestimating. I really think America,

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Speaker 1: American politics is way too captured by Twitter, where Israel

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Speaker 1: is wildly overrepresented, and that if you look at any

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Speaker 1: other social media platform, it's ninety ten. I remember thinking

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Speaker 1: that with the Milk Boys episode, and that's a real

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Speaker 1: lesson for people just in terms of media consumption and

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Speaker 1: kind of where the country is going. And I think

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Speaker 1: it should be internalized by people in power, but they

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Speaker 1: don't want to listen.

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Speaker 4: No, they certainly do not