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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Hey, it's the first of the month.

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Speaker 1: Wake up, wake up, wake up. Kesho check saying get up.

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Speaker 1: It's not it's just actually the twenty sixth of June,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to say it anyway. Hi everyone, June

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Speaker 1: twenty sixth, twenty twenty three. Welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: Morning Combat, the best show in combat sports, mostly on

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Speaker 1: Zoom these days. Hi everyone, my name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I am nearly one half of your hosting duo. I

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Speaker 1: join you from the capital of the status anitos right

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Speaker 1: here in Washington, d C. Joined by the man with

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Speaker 1: the gangster lean and a bunch of imaginary titles. He's

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Speaker 1: my friend in yours. He has unbelievable CTE. It's Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Hi, going to be to be fair, Luke, they are

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Speaker 2: at least established titles. You can call me the Layer,

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Speaker 2: the Laird of London. Okay, look, thank you very much, guys.

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Speaker 1: The Layered of London. You didn't get layered in London.

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Speaker 1: I know that I was there when you were.

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Speaker 2: You were just you were quite surely did barely did

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Speaker 2: in the lower forty eight too, Luke By, what are

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Speaker 2: you gonna do about that? You know what I mean? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Hey, we had an interesting weekend of combat sports, did

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Speaker 1: we not? Nothing is trending on YouTube in the US

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Speaker 1: for combat sports other than slam Ball meets MMA, because

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Speaker 1: you know, when I say that, people think I'm imagining it.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually not. But it's real. Nevertheless, we did have

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Speaker 1: some interesting action over the weekend UFC at ABC five.

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Speaker 1: We'll react to Elliot's to Portrio's big win over Josh Emmett.

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Speaker 1: We of course had on top of that some PFL controversies.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to those.

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Speaker 2: Well, hey, hey, dicey, dicey, Bopa, what are we doing?

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Speaker 2: Smart cage? Come on right?

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, skits and bits already, skits and

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Speaker 1: bits already, But you get the idea. There's actually a lot.

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Speaker 1: Plus there was some decent boxing of the weekend. BC

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Speaker 1: and I called some of the prelims for the Carlos

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Speaker 1: Adamis and Julian J. Rock Williams Fight. So we have

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Speaker 1: a fair amount to get to here today. Thumbs up.

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Speaker 1: B See, how was the rest of your weekend? Did

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Speaker 1: you do anything yesterday with the fam after we parted ways?

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Speaker 2: Yes, my mom is up visiting from Florida, so you

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Speaker 2: know mini golf? Did you know? Take out? I mean

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Speaker 2: it was you know, it's the full family affair. Good

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Speaker 2: time's great oldies. Luke.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, BC. I have to tell you I

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Speaker 1: Well, yes, she definitely did. I mean you're like, yes,

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Speaker 2: Yes, it did happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, see, we have a running joke in our family

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Speaker 1: wrong that we're gonna have our merch sorted probably very soon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got two letters for you, our Jay Dunkle

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Speaker 2: Gang Bang Luke. Okay, yes, yes, uh uh you know

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Speaker 2: There were corporate travel hiccups.

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Speaker 1: Sign me up? All right? You see anything else? If

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Speaker 2: I just want to always shout out our great listeners. Luke.

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Speaker 2: You know you and I are running competitive not really

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Speaker 2: competitive scams, but just the same. Luke Cameo dot com

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Speaker 2: you know, happy anniversaries and birthdays in life advice. Thank you, folks.

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Speaker 2: You're keeping me well well stocked with Vinyl records while

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Speaker 1: There you have it all right, the Brian Campbell Special.

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Speaker 1: a headlining contest between featherweights Iliot so Poria and Josh

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And on a macro level, he showed me that

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Speaker 1: Him doing that to Emmett showing the improvements, like even

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Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, I just don't know what they're

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Speaker 1: So, let's let's game this out BC. You've got Max

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Speaker 2: TKZ in Singapore and not get hurt, which is, you know,

428
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 2: more likely or possible, very likely. I think Max versus

429
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,000
Speaker 2: Yaiya in a rematch of a great action fight in

430
00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 2: which Max won but it was very close, is the

431
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 2: fight to make under that scenario. Topuria would have to

432
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 2: wait under Under that scenario, Luke, I think that opens

433
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 2: up the door if Volkanowski did not leave the division

434
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 2: to make a fourth Alex Vulk fight under the only

435
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 2: circumstance of where it would work with Holloway having regained

436
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 2: his crown. But again, I don't think we even get there.

437
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 2: I think Volkanovsky's going out. But I'm still gonna stand

438
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 2: on this and say Max has shown us that he's

439
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 2: still great. He can be anybody in this division. But Volkanovski,

440
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 2: if Yaira wins this, that's the fight I want, even

441
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,400
Speaker 2: with this, to Puria breakthrough. But tell me if if

442
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,880
Speaker 2: you know, if as usual, Luke, I'm a way off

443
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 2: on MMA, you tell me, I don't think.

444
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 1: You're I don't think your way off. But it does

445
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,120
Speaker 1: create a real big problem because here's the thing. The

446
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 1: neat answer would be Vulk beats the air, goes to

447
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 1: one fifty five, drops the belt. The winner of basically

448
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 1: Holloway TKZ faces Toporia for the vacant belt. That that's

449
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 1: that's actually like the cleanest scenarioan.

450
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,159
Speaker 2: Or no, because Tapuria said he's only fight in max

451
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,959
Speaker 2: in a non title fight. If it's in Spain. Obviously,

452
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 2: if it's a title fight, it could be anywhere. But

453
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,719
Speaker 2: they got a chance to blow Spain up here with

454
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 2: what Tapuria is doing.

455
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would hope that they would put it in Spain.

456
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that in just a minute.

457
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: But I'm just thinking, like match up, matchup. The best

458
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 1: case scenario is Vulk wins, drops it and then you

459
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 1: can reconstitute it. If he wins, then I think they're

460
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 1: gonna give Yaya a rematch. You know, you beat the

461
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: number one pound pound guy in the sport. They're just

462
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 1: gonna make you do it twice. That's just how it goes.

463
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 1: Even if you win, you don't think so, No.

464
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Speaker 2: Dude, if he wins and it's not again disputed, could

465
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 2: have gone either way. Volks out, he's out, Dude, he's

466
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 2: going north.

467
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 1: So you think he's out no matter what.

468
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 2: I do again, unless unless it's like, unless he's like,

469
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 2: I know, I beat Yair. It was a great fight.

470
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 2: Let's do it again so I can prove that to you. Now, look,

471
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 2: I could be wrong. I'm not in the brain of Volkanovski.

472
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 2: I thought out Sonya would already be out of middleweight

473
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 2: and he's still sort of lingering figuring out his future.

474
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 2: Alex could just as easily say, you know what, Tapuria

475
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: is exciting me and surprising me. I beat Yaya. Let's

476
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 2: do that. But yeah, I do think he's out, Luke.

477
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 2: Nobody Mikey jumping in saying he'd love to be see

478
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 2: yere versus Taporia. Nobody would would would kick that out

479
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 2: of the bed, Luke. But the but Max is still

480
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 2: here and I love it, and also don't forget or

481
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 2: Tega is coming back. The rumor seems to be Giga Chikazi.

482
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 2: So damn featherweight's funny shit. I mean, it never stopped

483
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 2: being Luke. It doesn't always get the fanfare of bantamweight

484
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 2: and lightweight, but uh, you're talking about Arnold Allen looking

485
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 2: for a recovery fight you're talking about you know, Cater's

486
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 2: still there. This is funv Loev Mitchell, this is a

487
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 2: fun division.

488
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: I want to talk about something about Elliot Toioporria that

489
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 1: I noticed as well this week. I mean, I guess

490
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: I maybe picked up on it before, but not really.

491
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: It was crystallized for me on Saturday BC. I know

492
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: you joke about people having popularity from countries outside the

493
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: United States as if it's not real, but it is

494
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: quite real.

495
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: In fact, I when did I ever do that? Luke?

496
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 2: Did you see Tajikistan. They're going nuts anytime they're fighters, Dude.

497
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: Spain is a much more relevant, large and important market

498
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: than to Jikistan, and I think just given respect.

499
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: Where respect is deserved across the globe because they turn

500
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: out for their fighters.

501
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you could add up the top five NFL

502
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: players in terms of popularity and they still wouldn't match

503
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: the level of popularity that Sergio Ramos has.

504
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: Just before we go any further, Luke has not any

505
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: that's not in any way an exaggeration, that is, but

506
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: you have. I'm not talking about the Caribbean island, but

507
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 2: you have a bone air the size of the Eiffel

508
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: Tower for the idea that this this elite footballer would

509
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: come and infiltrate the UFC and show everybody, you know,

510
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: how great Taporia is.

511
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 1: Because well, here's the thing.

512
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: This man has more followers than the entire NBA combined.

513
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 2: That's cool, Luke, But it's not like moving you know,

514
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: it's not. It's not moving me on the level.

515
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: Here's the thing I mean. I was talking about this

516
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: with some other journalists yesterday. I had some phone conversations.

517
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: If he wins a title, If and when he wins

518
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: a title, I think everything will coalesce at once. But

519
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: he's certainly much more popular right now in Spain than

520
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: he is in the United States. Eliotiporia. But dude, something

521
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: I noticed this, and now I want to say this upfront.

522
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: My Spanish is not good. It's not good at all.

523
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: So if any native Spanish speaker thinks this is wrong,

524
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: by all means, speak out. But I don't think they're

525
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: going to disagree with this one, which is I noticed

526
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: how Tapooria talks in English, and b see his English

527
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 1: is pretty good actually, like he seems very conversational with it.

528
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: It is I just cannot overstate this ladies and gentlemen.

529
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: That is not how he sounds in Spanish at all

530
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: at all. It is if it is as if he

531
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: is a different person when he speaks in Spanish. And

532
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: I know he's obviously natively Georgian has kind of adopted

533
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: Spain and they have adopted him, and it's this working relationship. Dude,

534
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: he's got like he's his voice sounds different. He's got

535
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: way more like machismo and swag when he talks in Spanish.

536
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 1: His English is this very diet version of what he

537
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: normally sounds like. So he does for example, if you

538
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 1: look at the media scrums that he did post fight,

539
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: if you look at the English language numbers, they're very

540
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: so so if you look at the Spanish language numbers,

541
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: they're enormous. They're huge, They're huge. So what I'm trying

542
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,479
Speaker 1: to point out to you here is BC Sergio Ramas

543
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: showing up doesn't do much for any American fan. I

544
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: totally get that, but what it shows you is on

545
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: the leading edge of what's going on over in Spain,

546
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: and I would say more broadly Europe and in many

547
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: ways the rest of the world, but starting with Spain, obviously,

548
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: if Taporia can keep going, dude, he might be a

549
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: breakthrough massive European star. Spain is dying for a guy

550
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: like this. They don't have a big tradition of it.

551
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: He is way more popular there than we realize, and

552
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: I think that that could lead to some pretty big

553
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: goings on. And I just want to I just want

554
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,719
Speaker 1: to say it one more time. If you've heard him

555
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: speak English, you do not understand what he sounds like

556
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: at all in that other language, very different.

557
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: Do you think Sergio Ramo's backstage at Weistar and Jacksonville

558
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: is like? What the who the fuck are the Nelk boys?

559
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: Why is everyone took the sultzer in my hands? I mean,

560
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: I mean, like, why is Dana at the Blackjack table?

561
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: I'm not here right now? What is going on?

562
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: My understanding, My understanding is that after that presser, they

563
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: flew Uh to Portia and Ramos flew to like Miami

564
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: together to go party. They didn't even stay in jack

565
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: Do you think.

566
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: With uh with uh with MESSI Luke, because isn't he

567
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: going to be playing in Miami?

568
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? By the way, so I've talked about this, Ramos

569
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: has I think fifty nine million followers on Instagram. Do

570
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: you know how many Messi has? No. I think he's

571
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: got four hundred and twenty four million as it stands, Which.

572
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: Would be like, is that like the Paul Brothers and

573
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 2: Mister Beasts combine, Luke, I don't really follow the trends.

574
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: That would be like the Paul Brothers plus Mister Beast

575
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: plus a lot of other things.

576
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 2: That's Keith Lee. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Keith Lee exactly.

577
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: He's a TikTok guy, I think.

578
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: But Keith Lee at the BET Awards last night, it

579
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: was good to see him walk the red carpet.

580
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, Mikey's saying, MESSI joining inter Miami

581
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: made that ig account pass almost all the other Miami

582
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: team accounts like overnight, and of course you know once

583
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: he leaves, they're going to turn back into a pumpkin.

584
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: I just want to say something like, I just feel

585
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: I just I just feel like Sergio Ramos being here

586
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: doesn't say anything about the American market fair enough, but

587
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: it does tell you what's happening else other places and

588
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: what that could lead to with some good opportunities. You're

589
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: talking about, Hey, if he's gonna fight Max, he wants

590
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: to do it in Spain. Ladies and gentlemen, you put

591
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: that fight in Spain, It's going to be massive, massive

592
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: over there. You can't overstate that enough.

593
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 2: When you reference all of these quote other places that

594
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: it's blowing up, You're growin would be one of them. Luke,

595
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: when you saw Ramos come out, you were, I mean,

596
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: you were like doing like a like a dance, dude.

597
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: Ramos. Ramos is one of the greatest defenders in Spanish

598
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: football history. Uh, one of the greatest defenders in real

599
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: Madrid history. And uh, you know, he's fucking royalty. If

600
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: ever there was one in the.

601
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: Which team did you jump on again? Was it Barcelona

602
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: or Madrid?

603
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: It's Madrid, you fucking dope, you know that.

604
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: Sorry, I was just trying to set the record straight.

605
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just trying to be a dick, is all

606
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: you're trying to do. You just don't like it that

607
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: there's these sporting figures that are like infinitely more popular

608
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: than Americans figures because if they don't like play here,

609
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: like all of a sudden, it just doesn't count. I

610
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: guess I don't really understand that.

611
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm a natural ignorant American or

612
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: if my you know, daily battles with stress and anxiety

613
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: just forced me to create this bubble that doesn't include

614
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: celebrity footballers. Luke.

615
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, Well the other guy who showed up

616
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: for Nantorrez only has three million followers on Instagram, So yeah.

617
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: What an absolute piece of shit that guy is.

618
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: Right, he's on nothing. Okay, but that's that hell of

619
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: a win.

620
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, big question, big question right now, forget the matchups,

621
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: forget the scheduling. If Touria fought Vulk tomorrow, what are

622
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: the betting odds and what are you feeling? Can he

623
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: Actually you're saying it's it's basically a matter of fact

624
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: that he wears a championship. He looked fricking awesome. But

625
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: I did bring up that point about styles, Luke, because

626
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: like what Vulk did to TKZ, for example, he's not

627
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: necessarily going to do to every other elite fighter. Do

628
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: you think to Puria could not puncher's chance could beat

629
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: Vulkanov's tomorrow?

630
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: So we're talking non puncher chance.

631
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: Non non craziness, right, non Matt.

632
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: Siri, I wouldn't favor him to. I wouldn't favor him

633
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: to No.

634
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: But but you're saying he is in that fight and

635
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: he's a problem for everybody.

636
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, think about it, dude. Vulk has been

637
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: dropped by Ortega. Volk's been like put to a knee

638
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: by Max a couple of times. He got dropped badly

639
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: by Chad Mendez. Let me just explain something to you.

640
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: If any of those guys can drop Vulk, fucking Takoria

641
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: can put his lights out like very easily. So I

642
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: do recognize he's a threat, but it is hard at

643
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: like right today to pick against Volkanowski like he is.

644
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: You know, the level of fight IQ is like some

645
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: we've never even seen before. So I think it's where

646
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: it's where Taporia is growing into all I just.

647
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: Want to remind you that we have not seen the

648
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: last of Arnold Allen nor his evolution. Luke, He's going

649
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: to be coming back to bang after this injury, right, that's.

650
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: Fair, And like again, he gave Max all kinds of

651
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: problems in that fifth round, So something to keep in

652
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: mind there. To your point, To your point, everyone talks

653
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: about the kind of the twin sort of heads of

654
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: dominance of bantam weight and lightweight with good reason, But dude,

655
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: just start looking around a featherweight man, there is a

656
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: shitload of fun fights. Especially if Max moves on, Sorry,

657
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: if Vulk moves on, there's a new champion and you

658
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: get some fresh permutations in there, no doubt about it.

659
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: All right, BC, let's talk about that co main event.

660
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: So Amanda Hebas took on for point number two. Here

661
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: Amanda Hebos took on. May see, wait wait, what does

662
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: Mike you want? Give me a quick ranking?

663
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? I like this question, Luke. What you know what

664
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: right now? What are your po pond rankings on UFC

665
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: divisions to watch? You could extend it globally if you want.

666
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: Bantam Weight touches a lot of promotions in a high level.

667
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: But what you know right now just UFC are like

668
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: in general? Either or Luke, whatever you feel provides a

669
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: more entertaining answer.

670
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: Definitely gonna, I mean easy. The easy answer is lightweight

671
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: and bantam after that.

672
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: Well after that women's straway it's probably the third best

673
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: division in terms of, you know, just start to finish

674
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: pound four pound competitiveness.

675
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: It might be, I have to be honest with you,

676
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: it might because what are you gonna say one seventy no,

677
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: when I mean one of five some big fights. But

678
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: what but you know, light heavyweight, heavyweight like no.

679
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: Okay, but but but but real talk here, And this

680
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: does transition nicely to the co main event the women's

681
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: flyweight division one two five that we have constantly been

682
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: talking about out of nowhere? Is it creeping up to

683
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: like a top four or five best division in the sport?

684
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: Or slow your role?

685
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: BC? Well, I got to say, some of the things

686
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: that we were typically anticipating just didn't show up, and

687
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: like in a very good way. So let's talk about

688
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: that for just a second if we can. Uh one

689
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: twenty five was the division. Let's talk about the co

690
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: main event from UFC on ABC five point number two.

691
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: Macy Barber earned a finish over Amanda Heboss in that

692
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: co main event. So, b C, I'm gonna ask the

693
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: question this way. I thought she looked unbelievably good. True

694
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: or false? This is the first first time you've ever

695
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: seen in your mind Macy Barber as a potential title contender.

696
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say false on that because I do want

697
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: to remind people that before the injury slash flat performance

698
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: slash first loss against Roxanne Monti Furry, which was a

699
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: you know, monster betting upset. At that time, we were

700
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: grooming her to have a chance to beat John Jones

701
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: record as the youngest UFC champion. I saw big time

702
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: flashes there of future now at that point. To be fair, Luke,

703
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: that division was not what it is today, but did

704
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: have a more dominant champion at the time on top.

705
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: And I do think looking back, if Barbara had won

706
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: that fight against Monta Furry, you know she made, she

707
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: would have gotten offered up to Valentino way too early

708
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: and it would have gone bad for her. But I

709
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: saw the flashes back then. Things fell apart, as we've

710
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: talked about a nauseum, the two fight losing skid, and

711
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: even on the four fight win streak that led her

712
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: into this, there had been flat performances. There's been you know,

713
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: moments where she shined in certain key aspects of the fight,

714
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: but was vulner and others. I predicted aggressively that she

715
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: was going to win this fight, but I didn't necessarily

716
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: see it going this way with the big stoppage, Luke,

717
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you that she's back where she

718
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: needs to be, mindset wise, aggression wise. Look when people

719
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: said it when I was saying, take the plus money

720
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: on her in this fight against Heboss, a fighter that

721
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: I really think is good. And I was saying because

722
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: of the aggression, you know, I get a lot OFBC,

723
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: your white belt streaks continue. No, at this level of

724
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: women's fighting, sometimes it is some of those keys that

725
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: pushed you through. Her aggression is what pushed her through

726
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: to not just overcome the busted nose, and the fact

727
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: that it wasn't was not a perfect performance out of her.

728
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: Still some defensive hole, still some things you don't love.

729
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: But she does have a superpower. I believe in that aggression,

730
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: in that want and that willingness, in that drive that

731
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: allows her to raise her game to another level when

732
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: it's activated. It got activated in this one. She was

733
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: mentally there to win no matter what. And she not

734
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: only you know, outworked, lasted, she stopped t Boss. This

735
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: was a dominant, strong statement. It does now allow her

736
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: to enter in already crowded, so you know, in a

737
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: good way, surprisingly crowded, how so happy crowded top ten

738
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: rankings at one twenty five. But I don't think it

739
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: was perfect. I do think there's she's got to go

740
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: back to the lab and continue to work on her game.

741
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 2: But that intangible was back Luke on on a really

742
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: strong level. And I think when she leans on that

743
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: and refines her craft around that, Yeah, she's a future problem.

744
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,479
Speaker 2: But I don't think she's a future problem even after

745
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: this win. Right now, She's gonna have to continue to

746
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: work and grow. Uh, But I have seen that spirit before.

747
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: You're telling me I had to modifi. You didn't remember

748
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: Bretto Kimoda was like he almost had Aaron Pico level

749
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: of like anticipation about this young prospect, bang and the drum.

750
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 2: She was one of those early Dana White Contender series

751
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: fighters who were like, this is what this promote, this

752
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: is what this league is all about. Get them through there,

753
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: get them launched in. It was too early, but I've

754
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: seen this spirit before, and it's back in her. Look.

755
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I appreciate that. You know, I do

756
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: my own scattered report. See, I'll just put it that.

757
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: Way, says I follow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

758
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: And then when he drops his pants, you also follow

759
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: because you know that's who you are.

760
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: But it's okay, I'm gonna bring Brett on and make

761
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: you answer for these comments, just so you know.

762
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: I like Brad dude, me and Brett get along just fine.

763
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: It's you're the one who wants to bang I'm not me.

764
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I really look, you know, you understand. I

765
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: was in a business relationship with Brett similar to the

766
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: one I'm in with you now as his editor.

767
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: Luke.

768
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: You know, we worked together to break through the ceilings

769
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: at ESPN that were at the time pushing combat down.

770
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: So when you go through a lot of euphemistic ways

771
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: of describing you want to bang him.

772
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: I just you know, when you go through war with somebody, Luke,

773
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: sometimes you look back and be like, that's my guy,

774
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: no matter what.

775
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: I just want to point this out too. BC and

776
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: I figured this out over the weekend because he had

777
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: a short but a very effective run with Peter Rosenberg.

778
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: So I had a little moment there with with with

779
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell. I tried to explain to him, like, the

780
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: two best things in terms of like shows you've ever

781
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: been on have been with Washington DC guys. Peter Rosenberg

782
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: lives in New York now, but he cut his teeth

783
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: theory we were on the same radio station.

784
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: Is a Maryland guy, Luke, Okay, he's a Marylyn is.

785
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: A DC guy. He's a DC guy.

786
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: He went to think DC is basically the entire mid Atlantic.

787
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 2: To be fair, you do think that, why.

788
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: Don't you ask Rosenberg what he is? I guarantee you

789
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: he identifies as a DC guy. Anyway, I'm just trying

790
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: to point out we have saved your bum ass life. Okay,

791
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: neither here nor there.

792
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: Wow. Look, you know history may te tell a different

793
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: tale about where you were and who you are after

794
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: meeting me.

795
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: Luke. Okay, yeah, listen, that's fair too, that's fair too.

796
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: But listen. Getting back to mac barber, I was high

797
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: on her, like a lot of people were coming off

798
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: the Contender series in some of her first early UFC fights,

799
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: But then when she hit the kind of roadblock that

800
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: she hit, I didn't think it was some kind of

801
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: death sentence or anything like that. Again, she is very,

802
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: very very young. Getting back to the point by Eliot's

803
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: a Potia. The difference is that Eliots and Pooria has

804
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: never taken a backstep, and even though he's been challenged

805
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: in fights, he then persevered through again fourteen and oh undefeated, Right,

806
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: So that wasn't at that. It's a very elite path

807
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: that not everyone can or will walk. Through, And of

808
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: course I don't hold those two losses against her in

809
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: terms of what she can actually do. But I was

810
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: waiting for this one, right, I was waiting for this one.

811
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: I was waiting for a fight on a big card,

812
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: or at least a relatively big card, you know on ABC.

813
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: It's a big spotlight, right, that kind of thing. You're

814
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: in the co main event role. It's an important fight

815
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: to see who's actually gonna be not for a title fight,

816
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: but getting pretty close to some of those title fight implications,

817
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: maybe one or two more after this, So it's a

818
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: really important kind of contest. And more to the point,

819
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to see her somewhat challenged and then really

820
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: bulldoze through some of the things I had seen previously,

821
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: like in the random Maverick fight was kind of like

822
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: eking things out. She didn't eke anything out this time.

823
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: She put it on Amanda. Hebas really going back to

824
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: what work. And I want to say something else too.

825
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: This is gonna sound surprising, but I see it on

826
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: tape all the time. Like a lot of times fighters

827
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: get confused with a game plan that's not working, and

828
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I got to stick to the game

829
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: plan and whether it works, whether it doesn't. Now I

830
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: think that they had done this on purpose, but I

831
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: just want to point out something. It looks to me

832
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: like they had clearly seen something was working and they

833
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: wanted to stick with it. Eighty six percent of what

834
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: Macy Barber used as a target for all of her targets,

835
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: eighty six percent of them were to the head she

836
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: lit Amanda he Boss up. She found something that worked

837
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: and kept going to it. Now, this is to me

838
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: an issue with Amanda he Boss is striking defense. It

839
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: could be a lot better than it is. Right, there's

840
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: a big problem there. She does not move her head

841
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: very well at all. But the killer instinct from Macy Barber,

842
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: the brutality of it all, the willingness to push through

843
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: getting taken down a couple times, fighting right through it.

844
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: There was just an urgency. There was a meanness, there

845
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: was a grittiness to it in combination with the skill.

846
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: So I'd seen that grittiness against overmatched opponents. I'd seen

847
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: some skill to kind of eke out, you know, get

848
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: just kind of crossed that finish line. This was the

849
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: first time to me, especially with those stakes, where things

850
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: really began again to come together and also, you know,

851
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: I think she's really entering her full woman strength period.

852
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: Like she looked like she was physically able to deal

853
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: with some of these challenges, locking up with Qbas better

854
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: than she had in the first I'll tell you. For me,

855
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: this was the first time I saw her as like, Okay,

856
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: now she might actually become a real title contemper.

857
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is a fair because, like I said,

858
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: even though she showed us those flashes ahead of the

859
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: Roxy fight, I didn't believe she's then going to beat

860
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: Valentino with that. But look, let's be actually critical here,

861
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: not of Barbara and victory. She was, you know, largely

862
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: fantastic and shocked a lot of us by pushing through

863
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 2: with blood streaming from her face and getting a violent

864
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 2: stoppage and an aggressive one in that regard. But she's talking,

865
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: she's being opportunistic, and this is what a fighter should do.

866
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: She's twenty five years old, she's got a five fight

867
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: win streak she is talking about when they said who

868
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: do you want next? Both after the fight and then

869
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: in the press conference later, she kept bring up Lexa Grosso,

870
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: the champion who she loved, in a close fight that

871
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: she felt, you know, could have gone the other way,

872
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: or maybe that she looks back and realizes what the

873
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: growth she's done now that she can get over that hill.

874
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: The circumstances were obviously different then. Also, Grosso's got Chevchenko

875
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: most likely next in a remetch in September. Also, this

876
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 2: top ten is filled with rising names, so Luke she

877
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 2: Barber was ranked eleven coming in she beat the number

878
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: nine heboss. I do think this catapults her, But not

879
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: only do I think she won't and shouldn't get you know,

880
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: the champion next, or even someone ranked right under that.

881
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: I think she would really benefit, Like I'm not you

882
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: know a flyway. Five wins in a row is a

883
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: lot and again she has the name, the look, the

884
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: highlights of her bloody winning the fight that if she

885
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: gets a huge fight next, no one's gonna say anything,

886
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 2: but I think she would benefit a lot more fighting

887
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: one of the more veteran names in the back end

888
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: of this top ten. Think Lauren Murphy, think Caitlyn Chukegi,

889
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: and think the Jennifer Maya types. Because even though five

890
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: in a row is im press if there's been two

891
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: split decisions in there, there's been some levels of inconsistencies.

892
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 2: I do think if you're rewatch this he boss fight

893
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: close to there's still some inconsistencies within there that she

894
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: overcame by being so aggressive. If there is levels to

895
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: this game, and specifically in this division, I'd like to

896
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: see her fight some of the more durable, hard to

897
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: stop type fighters like Chukegian and Murphy who can really

898
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: kind of stretch her and test her and make her

899
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: show more of a complete game before she does get

900
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: catapulted right to that top. Because while the aggression and

901
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: the striking and the you know, the bad assy propels

902
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: her through tough moments in fights, the very top of

903
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: this division does have elite practitioners from Grosso to Chefchenko

904
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: to Blanchefield, Tyler Santos that I'm I'm not sure she's

905
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: actually ready for that yet, Luke, in terms of going

906
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: in there with a great chance to win, I'd like

907
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: to see a little bit more in between. And I

908
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: think the rankings dictate that. Do you think her potential

909
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 2: star factor trumps that? I mean, there's not a real

910
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: path to the title right now, to be.

911
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: Fair for her, yeah, there's not. And again this these

912
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: are unupdated rankings, so these are the old ones. There'll

913
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: be some new ones out later today or tomorrow. But

914
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: they have Macy Barber sitting at eleven, Amanda he Boss

915
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: at nine, so it moves her up to probably mean,

916
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: excuse me, it moves bet Barber inside the top ten.

917
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: But you know, again we've been over this before. You

918
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: got Grosso sitting at one, Shiftchenko two, and then fierroa

919
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: at Uh at one, and then Filereau at two, and

920
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: then Santo's at three, show fight Aaron Blanchfield, who's at four,

921
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: and then after that it's androge Uh and then a

922
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: bunch of other ones, and I can't pronounce Kaitland Chukegan's

923
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: last name, Lauren Murphy, Jennifer Maya. You know, these are

924
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: names that have already been up there. And then you know,

925
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: probably I'm not going to get another title shot, so

926
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: it's not too too far. It's a couple two more

927
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: after this one maybe to get up there. In terms

928
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: of the to your question about the you ask you

929
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: basically if like a popularity is going to make a

930
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: difference heresually what you're getting at.

931
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: Because you you would agree that that she does have

932
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: to continue to work and grow. The game is not finalized.

933
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no no, no, no, no, definitely not. I

934
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: mean again, this to me was a breakout performance and

935
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: a clear growth of the evolution to this point. But

936
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: I would say that there's again, even in the case

937
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: of Eliot support you, there's still some steps to go, not

938
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: just in who you beat, but in who you have

939
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: to be in order to beat them, and who you

940
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: have to be in order to get to those next spots.

941
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: So it was just, yeah, this was to me. This

942
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: was to me like finally putting into practice all the

943
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: things that you had seen flashes of against either overmatched

944
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: opposition or really tough fights, and there's a little bit

945
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: of a little peek at it. To me, everything I

946
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: was like, whoosh, came together here all at once, and

947
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: it just gave you a better glimpse of what's possible

948
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: going forward. You see, we do have to ask about

949
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: Hebos though, and your cat, which are you know just

950
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the level.

951
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: Of this is, Zoe looks I'm waiting for the violent

952
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: turn at any point. Okay, I'm waiting for it's coming.

953
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: I want that cat to scratch your fucking eyeballs out.

954
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: I mean, just turn everything twice about it and then

955
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: she'd come back ask him to be Petigan right after Luke,

956
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: she's a you know, she's an independent woman.

957
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you go If there's something I like

958
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: looking at, it's your cat's butthole constantly on this show.

959
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I just can't get enough of that. Really,

960
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: it's so great. B C. I'm gonna say this about Amanda. Heboss,

961
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: she got some questions to start asking herself. Now, it's

962
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: not some disaster. She wins one, she loses one. She

963
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: wins one, she loses one. So she's fifty to fifty

964
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: in her last four. Not the end of the world,

965
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: but in terms of making real progress, it just feels

966
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: like to me, she's like she was doing this weird

967
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: thing where she was like putting her arms out all

968
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: the way after every striking, almost like she was like

969
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: mentally a little bit I'm not gonna say afraid, but

970
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: overwhelmed by the pressure a little and it.

971
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: Just, you know, she was just trying to get herself

972
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: in the flow and sort of like you know, if

973
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: you release a jump shot and you keep your hand

974
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: up there for a while. I think she was just

975
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: trying to get herself into that mode. But Luke so

976
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: let me.

977
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: Say this, let me say this most of the time.

978
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: Let me say one thing and one thing. One thing

979
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: most of the time. When I see people do this,

980
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: when they put their hands out like that for long

981
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: extended periods, I see in situations where they're sparring someone

982
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: else and the other person is a heavy hitter. That's

983
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: where I commonly see that kind of thing. To your point,

984
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: could be nothing. I just want to say, that's where

985
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: I usually see it.

986
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: All right, Well, look you mentioned the defensive holes. It's real.

987
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: She's a she's a good fighter across the board, but

988
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: as we talk about a lot, that can be a

989
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: detriment at the elite level, thank you, Zoe, especially in

990
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: a division that is now deep where she does not

991
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 2: have a dominant skill, especially not at one twenty five.

992
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: She's not small for a flyweight. But I think the

993
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: advantages that she had when she used to make the

994
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 2: really tough cut down to one fifteen, and she has

995
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: flip flop divisions a bit during this streak of winds

996
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: juggling wins and losses, I think that's where she's got

997
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 2: a chance to be more elite. Now I can only

998
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: speak I can't speak to that weight cut because I'm

999
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: not going through it, Luke. But if I'm gonna say,

1000
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: where does she go next? What can she do? What

1001
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: can she be? The foundation is strong. She's a you know,

1002
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: a very good fighter in a lot of ways, and

1003
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: she's game as shit, even though she's been stopped twice

1004
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: by I think believe by Hadriguez at one point fifteen

1005
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 2: and now here at this high level. Uh, you know,

1006
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: the foundation to make some changes to it is possible here,

1007
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure it happens at one twenty five.

1008
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: And if she doesn't pick up those defensive holes, then

1009
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: you know she can hang around against good people but

1010
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 2: inevitably going to get overwhelmed and beaten.

1011
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think that's basically right. It's

1012
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: a again, still young enough in either case to make

1013
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: some meaningful improvements and some meaningful changes, but they are

1014
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: certainly in order topic trainers.

1015
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: She's got her dad in his tattooed arm of Emily

1016
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: whitmyer does she need to like? But she has.

1017
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: Everyone asks those Everyone asked those questions whenever something goes wrong,

1018
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: and you're always like, oh, it must be the trainers.

1019
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: It could be it could be her own preparation. It

1020
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: could be other issues that no trainer can fix. I

1021
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: doubt getting other looks would be a bad thing for her,

1022
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, I doubt getting to go to ATT would

1023
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: be some kind of disaster. I certainly had that jiu.

1024
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: Jitsu coach from ATT in her corner this time.

1025
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: Pahoopah, right, yeah, yeah, that's good, that's great to have.

1026
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: It's just to me, it's not the issues with her

1027
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu or her judo. To me is the issues

1028
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: with her striking. And I don't know what exactly is

1029
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: ailing her beyond what I can see on tape, but

1030
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: in terms of what produces that, it's a little hard

1031
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: to say.

1032
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: But that being said, I go with the Nogara brothers

1033
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: if I was.

1034
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: Her moving forward, especially especially mid nog Right, the one

1035
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: you're the most.

1036
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 2: Middle nog very underrated nog Well, you know what one

1037
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: of two of the three of those brothers, Luke, or

1038
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: under you know, or properly rated. There's only one that's overrated,

1039
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 2: to be fair, which one.

1040
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: Was your favorite? Smothers brother BC the.

1041
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: Middle one too, Luke?

1042
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, topic number.

1043
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: Three, lest think is the answer obviously, Luke, But you

1044
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: can't say that in twenty twenty three.

1045
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't We're doing Smothers Brothers fucking bits on the air.

1046
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: Now we should be canceled fired immediately, all right, BC,

1047
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: let's get to it now. UFC fight net Emma versus Daporia.

1048
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: We talked about the main we talked about the Comaine.

1049
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: Give me someone else who stood out on this for

1050
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: reasons good or bad?

1051
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,959
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, was there a con going on on this card?

1052
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: Not necessarily, but Brendan Allen scored another victory, this time

1053
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 2: subbing Bruno Silva in round one, and he did use

1054
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: big names in the post fight interview, particularly the champion

1055
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: in Israel, O lot of Sonia and trying to categorize

1056
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: himself as essentially having you know, the kryptonite or the

1057
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: right type of game here that could upset the Apple

1058
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: car atop the division. He's twenty seven years old, Luke,

1059
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 2: this is now five wins in a row. He beat

1060
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: the you know, the Alvis, the joke Coos, the Andre Munizes,

1061
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: and Bruno Silva. I do want to see him now

1062
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: step that up against the next level. He's not ready

1063
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: nor next for a title shot. I like the the

1064
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: hoots puff from him. Luke, But I'm impressed with what

1065
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: he's putting together. The only loss of recent memory was

1066
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: by stoppage to Chris Curtis in twenty twenty one. But

1067
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: he's seven in one in his last eight. How serious

1068
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: are you taking Brendan Allen with the with the Davy

1069
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 2: Crockett hat, Luke, He's starting to knock on our door here.

1070
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: Like I said with Shot kott Rokamanov, dudes who wear

1071
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: dead animals on their head, Yeah, they mean business. They

1072
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: mean business. Whether it's a country boy from Tennessee or

1073
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: a dude from Kazakhstan, it doesn't matter. So here's what

1074
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: I'll agree with you. I think Brendan Allen is really

1075
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: begin to come along. I think there are some issues

1076
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: about striking defense that could potentially be worked on. Again,

1077
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: no one is a perfect fighter, but he is a very,

1078
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: very good one. His ground game just looks phenomenal. He

1079
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: made that one look a lot easier than I remember.

1080
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: I think I had Bruno Silva as my underdog pick,

1081
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: so that blew up in my face. He certainly proved

1082
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: me wrong, a lot of people wrong, and I think

1083
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: just shows that he is definitely a middleweight force. Now

1084
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: to be reckoned with and hard to say exactly what

1085
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: the next steps are because middleweight is in a strange

1086
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: place with We'll see what happens at UFC two ninety,

1087
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: but he might not be farther from a title shot

1088
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: than we really, I'm sorry, he might not be far

1089
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: from a title shot either, especially the way he's been looking.

1090
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: He's got some big wins in front of him to do.

1091
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: Obviously we're not at that level, but he's I'm just

1092
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: saying the momentum he's fighting is high. It's legit.

1093
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: What can we say? See in my right eye of

1094
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: Justin Tafa Luke?

1095
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? How about that? I I wish we had a picture.

1096
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: Do we have one for? Have you seen the ship? No?

1097
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: I was always grossed out by it. I don't want

1098
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: to see that.

1099
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: Dude. That was like they were talking about that. I mean,

1100
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: that finger got submerged in that eye. And by the way,

1101
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: because it's a no contest now, Justin Tafa gets half

1102
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: of his purse, which seems fucking absurd if you ask me,

1103
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: But the fighters all say fighter pay is great, and

1104
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: that's the MMA journalists causing trouble. So I'm not sure

1105
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: what to say about that. Anymore.

1106
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: But what the hell do we know, Luke? You know

1107
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: what I mean?

1108
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, here's the thing. It's like,

1109
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: you want to advocate for these guys, but then they

1110
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: don't want you to advocate for him, not just in

1111
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: Tafa specifically he but to their.

1112
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: Point, I am in front of a keyboard, I'm a warrior,

1113
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: I'm in my basement, I'm holding a cat. So uh yeah,

1114
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: who am I? Luke?

1115
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: Okay?

1116
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: Well, I mean look at who you've tethered your career

1117
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 2: too and written just.

1118
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 1: Absolutely horrible decision making.

1119
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah this is great.

1120
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck you up? Bro? Yeah. Probably.

1121
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: But you know, all the women in my life do

1122
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: Luke right, You know it's great. None of them are

1123
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: Latino either. It's weird.

1124
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: Uh okay, BC. On my end of things, you mentioned

1125
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: that I have justin Tafa. One more thing I'd like

1126
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: to point out here if I may, How about the

1127
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: career of z Augus Zumagoulav So he made a very

1128
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: interesting like name for himself with the horrendous haircut of

1129
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: relate BC. This was his third split decision loss in

1130
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: a row right split decision loss on Saturday to Josh

1131
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: Van split decision loss to Charles Johnson split decision loss

1132
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: to Jeff Molina. He got knocked out by Manel cop

1133
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: Before that, he did have a win over Jerome Rivera,

1134
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: which he won, and then before that he had two

1135
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: decision losses to Amir al Bazi and Howley and Paiva.

1136
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: So he is now one and six in the UFC

1137
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: with four losses in a row, again three by split decision.

1138
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess that, you know, dumb haircut and all

1139
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: that might be it for him here in the Ultimate

1140
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: Fighting Championship.

1141
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 2: He makes fun fights though, Luke, you know, I.

1142
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: Mean, he's gone fights he seemingly cannot win, no, but

1143
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: they are fun.

1144
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: And when he makes me smile when they announce him

1145
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 2: and he's you know, yeah, hold on, my dog is

1146
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 2: going nuts. Your dog is bas yeah, my hold on,

1147
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: hold on one second. Here, I'm home alone and this

1148
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 2: is great.

1149
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: All right?

1150
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 4: Right?

1151
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: Do you think I'll re introduce the next topic and

1152
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: then we'll set you up for it? All right? So

1153
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: let me set this one up. Topic number four. Here

1154
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: we go. The PFL made a very interesting decision, so

1155
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: it goes something like this. On Friday night, you had

1156
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: Houshman Fio and Natan. I think is it Schulz Shulte

1157
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: who were in a contest together? I think a Shulte

1158
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: were in a contest against one another. Now here's the

1159
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: part about it. They are like great friends in real life,

1160
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: to the point where they're each the godparent of their

1161
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: respective children, and you know, have cared for one another

1162
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: financially and in all other kinds of ways. And the

1163
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: way the seating works in PFL, of course, is that

1164
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: in the second half of the season, the PFL does

1165
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 1: the matchups, it picks them. So they were the ones

1166
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: by their own model and their own choice. Essentially, who

1167
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: put these two together knowing that they were best friends,

1168
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: knowing that they were more than just that they were

1169
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: like really like bonded in life and sort of very

1170
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: deep and profound ways. So I will be honest, if

1171
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: you didn't see the fight, you don't need to watch it.

1172
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: But it's fucking terrible. Who is this dog? I can't

1173
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: hear you, You cannot hear.

1174
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: You did no, I did? This is my wife's dog,

1175
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 2: Sasha Luke. I want to get into serious PFL topics,

1176
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: but she was you know, she screams at the neighborhood

1177
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 2: all day and you know she tries, she gives me

1178
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: the look of death if I try to hug my wife.

1179
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: We got a lot of issues with female animals in

1180
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: this house.

1181
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: Luke, let me get my dog. Hold on, let me well,

1182
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, let me set this up and then I'll

1183
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: get my dog. But then let me let me finish this.

1184
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: So they had a fight, uh the ton Choulte and

1185
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: househman Fio, and it was terrible. It was really bad,

1186
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: to the point where they were wondering like was it

1187
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: fixed now? The Georgia Commission said that they don't have

1188
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: any issues with the fight. I mean, yeah, I've been

1189
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: maybe and terrible, but they don't have any was the

1190
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: fight above board issues BC. Clearly these guys were not

1191
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: trying to hurt each other as much as they possibly

1192
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: could have. Old on the finish, let me set it up.

1193
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it to you first. It didn't look

1194
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: to me like they were giving you know, they were

1195
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: really trying to damage one another. I'll put it that way.

1196
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: So fight ends, Shulte wins. Okay, you think he is

1197
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: now heading into the playoffs. Burgos fails to make it.

1198
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: Then we wake up the next day and lo and

1199
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: behold Burgos is in the playoffs, Schulte is out. And

1200
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: their argument was Houseman Fio and Natan Schultz basically in

1201
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: their contracts aka or or I used to say, but

1202
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: they probably their baud agreements. They obviously have to give

1203
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: their full fledged effort and they didn't, so they removed them.

1204
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: But it's not clear BC that that's what's allowed in

1205
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: the rules. Again, I want to set this up one

1206
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: more time. Here is what their contracts say. During the

1207
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: regular season, the PFL bases its points awarded on commission rulings.

1208
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: If a fighter wishes to appeal a commission ruling during

1209
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: the regular season, they must do so within rebusiness days.

1210
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. The PFL will honor any subsequent changes

1211
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: made by the Commission, which they did not make any

1212
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: as long as the Commission comes to an official decision

1213
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: in the normal appeals process. Blah blah blah. They do

1214
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: have some other pieces of their contracts PC which say

1215
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: quote the PFL may amend these rules at any time

1216
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: end quote, and that they hold some sway to oh,

1217
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: here we go. They have some quote discretion when it

1218
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: comes to awarding points the after the fact for bouts,

1219
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: so here's what I'm going to say, BC, it does

1220
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 1: look a little bit unclear about what regulatory mechanism they're

1221
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: using to enforce this. Burgos is a fan favorite. She'll

1222
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: tell is not. What do you make of what happened here?

1223
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 2: Well, I'm reading the official PFL statement that they put out,

1224
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 2: and it's clear this is what they're leaning on for

1225
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 2: the regulatory reason saying, all fighters in their PFL fight

1226
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: agreements and here's the quote, agree to use their best efforts,

1227
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 2: skills and abilities as a professional athlete to compete and

1228
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 2: defeat any opponent. End quote. So, Luke, even if they're

1229
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: leaning on a legal, binding contract that they feel like

1230
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: they can enforce, I guess no. Similar to the people

1231
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 2: who say, hey, sign a contract with the employee or

1232
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 2: all you want, but at any point can they legally

1233
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 2: wiggle out and get rid of you? They probably can.

1234
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 2: This isn't to me about legality in that case, if

1235
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: PFL has an actual case here. This is about the look.

1236
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 2: This is about the esthetics. The esthetics suck. The aesthetics

1237
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 2: feel manipulated, overbearing in a season right now in which

1238
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: pfl's identity is largely staked, not just in the future,

1239
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: of launching its pay per view division and how well

1240
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: both Francis and Ganu and Jake Paul fit into that

1241
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 2: and can it lead to increased ratings and attention and

1242
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,479
Speaker 2: recruitment for the future and free agency and all that.

1243
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: It's tied to the idea that what are they trying

1244
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 2: to be different than everybody in their format but fight

1245
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 2: or friendly, especially against the big one that they've already

1246
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: told us they are competing against that they're gunning for.

1247
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 2: The big one is UFC in PU right now. If

1248
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 2: there's any issue with UFC, it's fighter treatment and leverage

1249
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 2: and all of that and pay and PFL is now

1250
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: doing something that you wouldn't even play like that you

1251
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: would expect Dana to have done, manipulating the rules in

1252
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 2: a case where it's like, what does it look like

1253
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: on paper? That fight sucked? Did it? It sucked? But

1254
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: now you're saying we're just going to judge. We're gonna

1255
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: jump in and say, you know what, you didn't try

1256
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: hard enough and that sucked, so under our contract you

1257
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: can be gone, Hey, let's grab the exciting former UFC

1258
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: guy that we did bring in as a as a

1259
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: big free agent in his prime and just plug him

1260
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 2: back in so everybody's happy and entertained. Nah, that's bullshit.

1261
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: That goes against meritocracy, that goes against the actual thing

1262
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 2: that happened, which two guys agreed to a fight, the

1263
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: promotion agreed to put it on, they went through a

1264
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: commission to do it, and the two guys fought. Was

1265
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: it fun?

1266
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: No?

1267
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: Did they use the best, the very best of their

1268
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: abilities to try to win? I think we can all

1269
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: say no. But they did throw punches, they did take

1270
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: each other down, and they did fight. Look, this is

1271
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 2: where a promoter, in my opinion, only has so many

1272
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: as far as they can go. You don't want a

1273
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: promotion with complete control because then you fear that there

1274
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: could be manipulation and impropriety behind the scene. So why

1275
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 2: do we have an athletic commission to control the things

1276
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: that a promoter shouldn't the outcomes of what happened in

1277
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: a cage. They agreed to promote the fight, the fighters

1278
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 2: went to agreed to fight it. Look, not every fight

1279
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 2: is going to be a banger. You can put whatever

1280
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 2: you want in a contract. The job is to go

1281
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: out there and try to win. It's not to try

1282
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: to gauge whether they tried hard enough. There's a lot

1283
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 2: of fights where people don't end up trying hard enough.

1284
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 2: Why because they're injured, or they don't want to risk

1285
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,959
Speaker 2: the knockout, or you know, they're having a mental block

1286
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: or whatever. Bad fights happen all the time for a

1287
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: million reasons. These guys agreed to fight. They did the

1288
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: best that they could based on their friendship. I'm not

1289
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: saying it was the right choice, but why did you

1290
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: put them against each other in this spot if you

1291
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: knew this had the potential happening. If you want to

1292
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: after the fact, go into the locker rooms as the

1293
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: promoter and rip these guys and say you're gonna have

1294
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: no future in this promotion if you fight like that,

1295
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 2: and we're not gonna give you bonuses and blah blah blah. Fine, whatever,

1296
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: you can hold them back in the future and not

1297
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: put them in the tournament next year, you're gonna go

1298
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 2: the level of changing the result, maybe not the result

1299
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: on who won, but what that result gives you at

1300
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 2: a time that it's just gonna scream, oh, you're just

1301
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 2: grabbing the former UFC fighter with a big name and

1302
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: putting him in there over these two. What are we

1303
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 2: doing here. You're gonna, You're gonna, You're gonna allow this

1304
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: level of manipulation. All that does is scream the potential

1305
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 2: of future impropriety that you can make a judgment call

1306
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: on that. What because you put in your contract that

1307
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 2: everybody's supposed to fight their hardest. Yeah, everyone hopes they do.

1308
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: That's why we have bonuses for fight of the night.

1309
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: That's why we have, you know, parts of the prize,

1310
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: the winning purse, that you can gain more through a

1311
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 2: more aggressive performance. Everybody, every promoter wants their fighters to

1312
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: fight balls out right. The UFC has been the biggest

1313
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: one behind that. But you can't manipulate the ship in

1314
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: the structure that you set up, which is this regular season,

1315
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 2: in this points system. You can't just go all we

1316
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: want the more exciting, better fighter who will bring it

1317
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 2: next time. You agreed to promote this fight, the fighters

1318
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 2: agreed to fight it. Whatever happens in that cage unless

1319
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: someone cheated, is what happens in that cage. What the

1320
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: hell are we doing here? This is the worst look

1321
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 2: you can have, especially when you are telling everybody by

1322
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: signing Francis, We're going to start our own not Fighters Union,

1323
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 2: but our own seat at the table for the fighters. Well,

1324
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: now it's time to use that seat at the table, Luke,

1325
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 2: because this is bullshit. This is absolute bullshit. The worst

1326
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: thing you would want, remember PFL had that scare was

1327
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: a PFL looke who had that scare with the betting

1328
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 2: when they when there was a card that was pre

1329
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: taped and they still had live betting on it. Was

1330
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,439
Speaker 2: that then that's the type of scare that they should

1331
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 2: be lucky that they jumped away from that. They fixed

1332
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: the glitch that no one's saying, Oh, is this place

1333
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 2: on the up and up. A decision like this, to

1334
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: me as a fan, screams that you're not on the

1335
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 2: up and up because this is what you're willing to do.

1336
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 2: Just throw out the rules and make it happen. It's

1337
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 2: different when you do a ranking system and you go,

1338
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: I know we have a ranking system, but I'd rather

1339
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: have the number eight guy fight for the title next

1340
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 2: because he's the most exciting. That's promotion, that's part of

1341
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: the job. But you built a structure of a tournament,

1342
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: which in theory goes against that. It's meritocracy. It's like

1343
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: whoever's gonna advance is gonna advance. You set the fight up.

1344
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: They went out there and thought they can't pull them

1345
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: from the tournament because they didn't live up to your expectations.

1346
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: Come on, you put on the fight. Shouldn't the smart

1347
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 2: case tell you this is a bad pr Look the

1348
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: fuck's going on here?

1349
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: PFL dude, I'll tell you what happened. I guarantee you

1350
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: this is what happened here. I guarantee it. They made

1351
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: that fight like they booked it, and they did not

1352
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: think that it really mattered that these guys were close,

1353
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: or that it wouldn't really affect it, or they probably

1354
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: thought naively that it would actually make it better or

1355
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: something like it would be you know, oh, it'll be

1356
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: the final from the movie Warrior or something where you know,

1357
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: they'll just give us even more not realizing that it's

1358
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: gonna fuck everything up. Like to me, it's naivete about

1359
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: how the fight game actually works, rather than you know,

1360
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: any other explanation that that's really what it comes down to,

1361
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: to the point that you raised me. See, I don't

1362
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: have much to add beyond it. Like again, there might

1363
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: be a legal mechanism for what they have shown or not.

1364
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: It looks to me like there probably is not one,

1365
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: but they've got enough. We retain discretion at all times

1366
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, sort of catch all jargon to potentially

1367
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: protect them. But here's the point. Even if that's true,

1368
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: the reality is this decision clearly goes against the stated

1369
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: ethos of everything the PFL is supposed to be about.

1370
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: And that's not what we put on them. That's what

1371
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: they put on us. They have spent quite literally now

1372
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: years years telling us that not only was their format

1373
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: more equitable and fairer, but that it was because they

1374
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: were a quote fighter first organization. Ladies and gentlemen. Substituting

1375
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: Burgos in and taking out the rightful winner of about

1376
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: because you just don't like the fucking results is the

1377
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: opposite of fighter friendly. It is the opposite of fighter first.

1378
01:02:55,240 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: It is promoter first, It is ratings first, It is

1379
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: our bottom line first. It is everything every other promoter

1380
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: resorts to in the end, because we see, here's the

1381
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: actual result. Tournaments and MMA do have a very solid

1382
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: history together, but one of the realities that Bjorn Revne

1383
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: went up against and his tournament model was slightly different.

1384
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: Guys competed much more quickly over time, in most cases

1385
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: than you do in PFL. The result he came to was,

1386
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: and then, this is something that we knew in twenty

1387
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: fourteen twenty thirteen, was that you can do tournaments where

1388
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: guys are fighting once a month or once every couple

1389
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: of months, and that may or may work, and that

1390
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: might be cool, but the best way to do it

1391
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: is to do them all on one night. The one

1392
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: night tournaments are the ones that really matter, and of

1393
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: course those are very difficult to do in the modern age.

1394
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: When you have commission rules, you can have a two roundbout.

1395
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: In the three round bout, it's much harder to do.

1396
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: But the only way to really do them correctly is

1397
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: to do them over a single night. All of this

1398
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: shit where you're spacing them out, it just becomes very,

1399
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: very difficult. They ran into a situation where they had

1400
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: results that they didn't like from their own model, and

1401
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: they just decided, fuck it, We're just we're just not

1402
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: going to pay attention to it, and uh, and then

1403
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: she'll take in each ship. That is really what they

1404
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: basically said. We don't give a damn and yeah, I

1405
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: don't fight the fight. The fight sucked, but the fight

1406
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: sucking is not reason, especially the fight that they booked,

1407
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: the fight they boo sucked. That's not reason to change

1408
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: a fucking thing.

1409
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, this has happened before. We have had We have

1410
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 2: seen fighters go into a fight that they have to

1411
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: take against a teammate or somebody close to them, and

1412
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 2: they don't go all out on that level. Heck, look,

1413
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 2: there were times people used to say Venus and Serena

1414
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,439
Speaker 2: didn't go all out on the level that they could

1415
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 2: or should. But I remember Chris Bird defended the heavyweight

1416
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 2: title in two thousand and four against Devera Williamson on Showtime.

1417
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,439
Speaker 2: They were old buddies training partners. They didn't go after

1418
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: It was one of the worst televised title fights of

1419
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 2: all time, even like Tyson and Corey Sanders or was

1420
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 2: it U No, it was the other. It was the

1421
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 2: guy the Rhino Clifford atn Mike knocked him out but

1422
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 2: didn't want who helped him back up afterwards admitted afterwards,

1423
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 2: I just gave him a paid because he's a friend

1424
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: of mine. I mean, look, this stuff can happen, but

1425
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 2: I would I can't. I'm about to say this. I

1426
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 2: would almost rather pfl behind the scenes, do more chicanery

1427
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 2: than this to have fixed this and say sorry, Natan

1428
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: should is injured, he can't fight in the next round,

1429
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 2: so Shane Burgos is next. Even if the injury is bullshit.

1430
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 2: I would almost have more respect if I found that

1431
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 2: out to be true after the fact than how they've

1432
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 2: decided to do this, because it's just like it's manipulation.

1433
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 2: I got the you know, I didn't watch this card live,

1434
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: but I got the email with the results and I

1435
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: was reading them, and you know, the initial d If

1436
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 2: they did this a day later, it's a horrible look

1437
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 2: in every possible way.

1438
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: Here's a question for you, and I mean send it.

1439
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: Here's a question for you. And I have not thought

1440
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: this through, but I think it's important to ask. And

1441
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: I saw that Naton had put up a post together

1442
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: and then tagged a bunch of people in it, and

1443
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: one of the people he tagged was Francis and Ganu.

1444
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: Now Francis and Ghanu just signed this massive deal blah

1445
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: blah blah. And remember he also got put on this

1446
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: advisory board. He's gonna be the chairman of PFL Africa.

1447
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: But he was one of these guys he's supposed to

1448
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: be this symbol of Hey, here's what happens when a

1449
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: promoter puts fighters first. That's what that's what the sales

1450
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: angle is of everything Francis is doing. Now, it's not

1451
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: Francis's job to fix this, and I don't even know

1452
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: if he could. What should Francis do? What should he

1453
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: say about this?

1454
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 2: If if this whole idea and I and I believe

1455
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 2: structurally it's real, the whole idea of okay, well, Francis

1456
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 2: will also be the fighter representator in our you know

1457
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 2: whatever meetings fight fighter you know situations where we're debating stuff,

1458
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 2: then this should be the how you activate that, how

1459
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 2: you start that, how you find out if that is

1460
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 2: bullshit or not, Because if it's not, and I don't

1461
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: think it is, then it is time to get together

1462
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: in a room. And if Francis is the chosen representative

1463
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 2: by PFL per the deal of signing him, then he

1464
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 2: should do what a you know, union representer or leader does.

1465
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 2: Talk to Natan schul, figure out the situation, talk to

1466
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 2: both fighters, and then come back and argue. I would

1467
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 2: think if Francis is using law, and he seems to be,

1468
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 2: because he seems to be about the right things, that

1469
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 2: robbing Shultz of a chance at a million dollars because

1470
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 2: he didn't fight exciting enough against a friend. As much

1471
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 2: as as a fan, you don't want that. Right as

1472
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 2: a promoter, you don't want that. But can you actually

1473
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 2: suspend both fighters and take away his chance to win

1474
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 2: a million dollars in that? No, that is bullshit against

1475
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 2: what a fighter does. Luke Francis should, at the very

1476
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 2: least in this role, be able to present that to

1477
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 2: the promotion and figure out what they're going to do

1478
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: moving forward. But I would hope that there would be

1479
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 2: enough of an outcry. Maybe people just don't care. It's

1480
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 2: not huge names, but I would hope there'd be enough

1481
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 2: of an outcry where they would back this up and announce, yeah,

1482
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 2: we made the wrong decision here, we made the wrong

1483
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 2: decision because this is you know, if that is the

1484
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 2: end result that could happen by Francis sitting on a board,

1485
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 2: then that's great, let's do it. Let's have those meetings.

1486
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 2: But you know, maybe that is also just more bells

1487
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 2: and whistles than it actually is. I mean, I'm not

1488
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 2: saying this, this is you know that Francis isn't responsibility,

1489
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 2: but it actually kind of is if that's the role

1490
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 2: he's trying to play.

1491
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, no, I think you're right. I think Francis

1492
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: actually should say something here. I really do. I think

1493
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be if you're gonna present yourself as

1494
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,439
Speaker 1: a fighter advocate, not like that's what you are. First. First,

1495
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: he's a fighter, Okay. I don't think he has to

1496
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: come out and blast the executives. I don't think he

1497
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: has to come out and say this is the biggest

1498
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: travesty on the history of the world. But I think

1499
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: he should say. Yeah, I think it's unfair. I don't

1500
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: think he should be doing that again. I'm just gonna

1501
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: get back to it.

1502
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 2: Man.

1503
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: Like their whole pitch is, hey, were you left by

1504
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: the side of a road promotionally because matchmakers didn't favor you, Well,

1505
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: this is a place you can you can get around that.

1506
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: And then they match people up with like the the

1507
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: godfather to their children, and then like, we didn't get

1508
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: a fight that we liked as a consequence, Well, look

1509
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: in the fucking mirror, bro, like you're the one who

1510
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: you you set these guys up to fail. They failed you.

1511
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: I mean the fight did suck. I don't deny that

1512
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 1: it did, and then you're gonna penalize them for your

1513
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:54,440
Speaker 1: bad decision making. Dude, that is like, that is everything

1514
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: you don't want a promoter to do. They did in

1515
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 1: one fell swoop. And the best part about this was

1516
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: BC this was all avoidable. They set up their own problems.

1517
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: Was there no one in the executive team who's like, hey,

1518
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: I've been watching MMA, whow this is certain disaster? Did

1519
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: no one fucking do that?

1520
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 2: Like?

1521
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: How how did you get to this place where someone

1522
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: who knows what they're doing in this business thought that

1523
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: was a good idea? Because here's the reality, no one

1524
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: who knows this business would think that's a good idea.

1525
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 2: Pure Is there something we're missing about this? I mean,

1526
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 2: you know, I like to cover all all opinions, all

1527
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 2: sides to a story. Did the promotion find out information

1528
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 2: that they have not made public, that the fighters had

1529
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 2: planned this ahead of time to not fight aggressively, and

1530
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: then you know they find I mean, I don't know,

1531
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 2: but that to me doesn't even change the equation they

1532
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 2: put on a fight that two guys came out and

1533
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 2: fight and threw punches and wrestled. There's more than one

1534
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 2: way to win a fight, right, going just for the

1535
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 2: knockout is not the only way. I don't think these

1536
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 2: guys went out there to try to hurt each other.

1537
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 2: But again, it was a contest. Two guys fought one

1538
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 2: guy one. I mean, we've seen fights before where one

1539
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 2: fighter has a mental blows or doesn't want to do

1540
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 2: it anymore and just kind of doesn't try. You're going

1541
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 2: to penalize the winner's advancement because of that?

1542
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: No, Well, I mean both guys in this case clearly

1543
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: didn't want to like deeply damage the other one. Maybe

1544
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 1: they did find that out. But here's what I come

1545
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 1: keep coming back to. Like the George Commission was like,

1546
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: it's a sound about as far as we're concerned. So, like, dude,

1547
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: if I'll say this, if you're a promoter and you

1548
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: found out that your fighters were colluding to fix the result,

1549
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: you have an obligation to tell the Athletic Commission people

1550
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 1: under your watch. Again, I'm not saying that this is

1551
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: what happened. I'm theorizing a hypothetical. But in a hypothetical example,

1552
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: if I'm a promoter and I find out two of

1553
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: my fighters are colluding, first thing I'm going to do

1554
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: is cut them and the second thing I'm gonna do

1555
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,799
Speaker 1: is report them to the commission because you don't want

1556
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: anything to do with that. That's your business. That is

1557
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 1: cancer in your business. If that is real, where you're

1558
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: tolerating like a lightened version of fight fixing, this is

1559
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: this is you cannot in any way accept that. So

1560
01:10:58,200 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: if that is the case, then act on it, you know.

1561
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to close on the bad optics here in

1562
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,799
Speaker 2: the PFL role and their new identity as being fighter first,

1563
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 2: they went out of their way. It seemed to allow

1564
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 2: Brendan Locknan a new home to compete rightfully after what

1565
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 2: happened to him, which was getting screwed showing up on

1566
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 2: the Dana White Contender Series using wrestling to win a

1567
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: fight and then being called out by Dana afterwards, who,

1568
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 2: under the structure of that series has the ability to

1569
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,719
Speaker 2: reward the more exciting winners with a contract until other winners, sorry,

1570
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 2: you know, get back in line. Well, PFL was the

1571
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 2: one who raised their hand and signed him, and they've

1572
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 2: kind of used that angle as part of the marketing

1573
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 2: side of Brendan Locknan, who's also a very good fighter

1574
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: and won the championship last year. But it's like you

1575
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 2: gave him the home because that greedy promoter, you know,

1576
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 2: prioritized excitement over who he thought was a good up

1577
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 2: and coming fighter for his promotion, and now you're doing

1578
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 2: the exact same thing, exact same thing.

1579
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Here is a statement from the Georgia Athletic and

1580
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,560
Speaker 1: Entertainment Commission regarding the bout between Natan Schultz Schulte and

1581
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: then Houshman FIO. The Georgia Athletic Commission places both fighters

1582
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 1: on a seven day mandatory rest suspension. This is an

1583
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: injury suspension basically following their about from June twenty third.

1584
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:12,839
Speaker 1: Ask for the PFL suspending them. That is their decision

1585
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: as a company. That's it. I mean, you just you

1586
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 1: guys booked a stupid fight, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

1587
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say here, All right,

1588
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: b C With that in mind, well the top.

1589
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 2: Question, does that make you question the intelligence of that cage?

1590
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 2: No jokes all, just a sun I mean, shouldn't that

1591
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 2: be the voice of reason? The on budsman who raises

1592
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 2: his mechanical arm and says alert, Alert, Alert, This will

1593
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 2: look badly on us. Alert.

1594
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, this is fucking stupid.

1595
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 2: Uh, they should just call that we need more toilet

1596
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 2: paper in the men's room at the Atlanta Arena. This

1597
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 2: is stupid. Let's go BC.

1598
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: Do you remember back in the day, like when we

1599
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: were like let's say, late nineties, kind of early two thousands,

1600
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: there were like a bunch of different search engines that

1601
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: were all like before Google like took over. It was

1602
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: like AltaVista. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna start calling it the

1603
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 1: Ask Jeeves Cage. That's what I'm gonna start calling it,

1604
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: just the Ask Jeeves cage because it's just fucking worthless.

1605
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: All Right, you're here, are there? But you see topic

1606
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: number five. Last, but not least, we called the prelims

1607
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: for the Carlos Adamas Julian J. Rock Williams fight a

1608
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: middleweight contest one hundred and sixty pounds on Showtime Championship

1609
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: Boxing for the Interim Middleweight WBC strap BC. Here's what

1610
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna say. Adamas was winning, and even Jay Rock

1611
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: and his trainer Stephen Bredman Edwards acknowledge at the time

1612
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,440
Speaker 1: of the stoppage, which by the way, was very, very controversial.

1613
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in just the second, but here's

1614
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: the question up until that, and they acknowledged that Williams

1615
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: was hurt. How good did a Domas look before the

1616
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 1: referee intervened.

1617
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 2: I think very good. Not perfect, not perfect, okay, but

1618
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 2: he's not a perfect fighter. The key about this version

1619
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 2: of Carlos a Damas and look, we didn't We talked

1620
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 2: about the Bob Santos relationship, you and I in the

1621
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 2: of this, but I don't think we even really had

1622
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 2: the full statistics at that moment. This is just the

1623
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 2: second fight with Bob sonso so what has both produced

1624
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 2: for Carlos Adamas? The ability to take all the things

1625
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 2: that he does well, the danger he he has as

1626
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 2: a guy who switches stances so off in power in

1627
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 2: both hands and just siphoning that to be as dangerous

1628
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 2: as possible. Sometimes there's defensive holes in that. Sometimes when

1629
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 2: Jay Rock had big moments, the Damas wasn't throwing enough.

1630
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 2: But for the most part we can question the stoppage,

1631
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 2: and we should. But Adamas did appear to be on

1632
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,839
Speaker 2: his way to winning that fight. And when you consider

1633
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 2: that this division is like empty, I mean Jamal charloill

1634
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 2: probably fighting Canelo this fall, probably getting out Glovkin moved up,

1635
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 2: Mongilla moved up, like who Andre moved up? Like who

1636
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: the hell has left nobody? You know, janebec right. I mean,

1637
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 2: there's a couple guys lingering. Carlos Adamas I believe has

1638
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 2: done the work with the Missus Montiel fight, and now

1639
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 2: this Julian j Rock Williams to fight too. If not

1640
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 2: announced that he's the best middleweight in the world, I mean,

1641
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 2: Jannebeck would have something to say about that, but then

1642
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 2: at least show you he may be the most exciting

1643
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 2: and the guy who is coming on and trying his

1644
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 2: best to maximize what he brings to the table. I thought. Overall,

1645
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 2: Odamis looked great. But part of that, Luke is I

1646
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 2: think Julian j Rock Williams really came to fight at

1647
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 2: thirty three, really exceeded our expectations. And even though the

1648
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 2: ending separate from the disputed stoppage, which I get that

1649
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 2: you can't separate that, But what's always going to be

1650
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 2: the lingering thing about Jay Rock that his punch resistance

1651
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 2: isn't at the elite level that it would need to

1652
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: be to beat some of these killers. That may be true,

1653
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 2: that may always be true, but I thought Jay Rock

1654
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 2: gave himself his best chance to win, made great adjustments,

1655
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 2: showed incredible character to survive some really tough moments and

1656
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 2: stay in that fight. And I think to fuel the

1657
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 2: anger that him and Bredman had. Even if I thought

1658
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 2: Redman went over the line a bit at times inside

1659
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 2: the ring, they may actually be right with a lot

1660
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 2: of their criticisms, and he Luke Jay Rock seems to

1661
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 2: be a reborn fighter to some degree. So I say

1662
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 2: that now about adamis to tell you that that fight

1663
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:05,600
Speaker 2: was maybe harder than a lot of us expected to

1664
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 2: be in a damis to be shined in the end.

1665
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 2: He is fun as shit to walk. Name a fighter

1666
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 2: who's fighting with more moxie and just like I am

1667
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 2: destined to show you how great I can be at

1668
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 2: the moment and.

1669
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,839
Speaker 1: Uh toom Lopez, Yeah.

1670
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's it. I mean, I am really impressed

1671
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 2: by who adamis. Has become not perfect but dangerous flashy mean,

1672
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 2: I mean, look, he fights spiteful, he fights angry. I

1673
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 2: think that, you know, middleweight wise, he's the big gun

1674
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 2: at the moment in terms of the guy I want

1675
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 2: to see the most fight.

1676
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's where I'm at I'm at the

1677
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: place where it's like, do I think he's the best

1678
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: guy in this weight class? Probably not? Probably not. But

1679
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,759
Speaker 1: do I think he's a fun guy in this weight class?

1680
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 1: So I think he drops bombs? Do I think he

1681
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: goes for it? Do I think he takes sometimes silly

1682
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 1: risks but great for the fight and great for our

1683
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 1: entertainment value? Yeah?

1684
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: I do.

1685
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 1: I actually think that you bring up the fact that

1686
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: he's approved a lot. I don't want to. I don't

1687
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: want to take that away from him as well. Again,

1688
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: he's a far cry from the guy who lost to

1689
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: Patrick Tasharello these many years ago. He's he's gotten significantly better.

1690
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: But again, like BC, do you see him as best

1691
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 1: in class in this weight class?

1692
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 2: I don't.

1693
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't quite see him in that way. But I

1694
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 1: take your point about fun, going for it, mixing it up.

1695
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: He had Williams nearly finished in what round was at

1696
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: the third of the fourth where he nearly put him away,

1697
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: or maybe it was the fourth, and so he had

1698
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 1: he had moments where he was putting it on Williams,

1699
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: but then you know Williams would kind of claw back

1700
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: and make it an interesting fight, and then obviously the

1701
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: stopper was a little bit premature. We'll talk about that

1702
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: in just a second. So I don't see him as

1703
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: the best guy in this weight class, but I see

1704
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: him as a reliably good, reliably fun guy, and maybe

1705
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: that's enough.

1706
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 2: Maybe we should quickly look at the rankings here. I'm

1707
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 2: going by ESPN's middleweight rankings just to kind of illustrate

1708
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 2: that even if you are right, Luke, he may still

1709
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 2: end up being the best middleweight in that regard right now.

1710
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 2: According to Mike Coppager in ESPN, Gnati Gelofkin the number

1711
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 2: one Ranke Middleway, but he's all signs appear to be

1712
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 2: moving up. He's dropped his titles jannebec uh Alim Connuli.

1713
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 2: I'll always butcher his name. Who has the uh? I

1714
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 2: think he's got one of the titles. Luke, he's number two.

1715
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 2: Mangia moved up to sixty eight at number three, so

1716
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 2: you got a Damas at four, and then the names

1717
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 2: after that are not going to blow you away. Liam Smith,

1718
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 2: Felkyle Madramov, Old Old, Arislandi, Laara, Chris Hubank Junior who's

1719
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 2: so unpredictable, and Zarafa who is blown up Junior Middleway

1720
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 2: but still a good fighter. My point is Adonis Adamas

1721
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 2: might actually end up being the best an He's funny ship.

1722
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 2: Look could we before we get into the stoppage. This

1723
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 2: fight was great until the stoppage. It was dramatic. There

1724
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 2: were back and forth ebbs and flows. The crowd, of

1725
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 2: course in Minneapolis was very good. It had an old

1726
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 2: school feel. This was great theater that once again, like

1727
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 2: the co main event on Saturday in ESPN, seemed to

1728
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 2: get stained by premature referee decision making.

1729
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: Wait which comin event Oh you mean on the wait, which.

1730
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 2: Looked very good against Cuba, Luis Arius dropped him in

1731
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 2: the fifth, but Arius waited for that count to get

1732
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 2: to nine, stood up ye, and the referee still waved

1733
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 2: it off even though he was clearly up and was

1734
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 2: alert and there now we get to the main event, Luke,

1735
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 2: this does combine with what we saw from Tony Weeks

1736
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 2: and some of these other recent runs. At the very least,

1737
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 2: I think we have a trend going right now, and

1738
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it's it's horrible refereeing or conspiratorial refereeing,

1739
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 2: you know whatever, with money behind the scenes. I think

1740
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 2: there's becoming a movement to stop fights earlier rather than later.

1741
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 2: A very noble move given what can happen in the ring,

1742
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 2: but it's too early too often lately. Jay Rock may

1743
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 2: have been on his way to getting stopped, but he

1744
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 2: was not only in that fight. He was in those

1745
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 2: sequences that led to the stoppage. Luke, I don't know

1746
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 2: if we have video, if we can throw to it,

1747
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 2: but it was just not a good stoppage for what

1748
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 2: was really going on in that fight.

1749
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a good stoppage at all. I was gonna

1750
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: ask you what you thought of it. I thought it

1751
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: was terrible. And dude, his trainer. If you guys don't

1752
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: know who this is, well, I don't know who the

1753
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 1: MMA equivalent would be of Steven Bredman Edwards. If you

1754
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: don't follow him on Twitter, you should. Very very very

1755
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 1: bright guy, we mean, really knows a lot about the

1756
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: fight game, ins and outs. He was the trainer for

1757
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:14,879
Speaker 1: Jay Rock. Here he was losing his mind at referee

1758
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 1: Mark Nelson, and then they interviewed him afterwards, and here's

1759
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: what he said. BC. He basically argues, listen, not only

1760
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 1: are you getting these early stoppages that are fucking these

1761
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 1: bouts up, it's always in favor of the A side,

1762
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 1: and Adamis was the A side here Williams was the

1763
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: B side. Williams had one fight at one sixty BC,

1764
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: and I called that this was the second one. It

1765
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: was for a title, obviously an interim title, but a

1766
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: title just the same. And they stopped it in favor

1767
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 1: of a Damas you go back to the Rollie and

1768
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 1: the about Also fight, they stopped it in favor of

1769
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 1: Roly and on and on and on. Do you think

1770
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: there's something to the idea about A sides getting favoritism

1771
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: with early stoppages of their opponent.

1772
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 2: So let's talk about this because when I said on Twitter,

1773
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,600
Speaker 2: and I only took the tweet down because people are misinterpreting,

1774
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 2: I said, Breadman took it too far, and I do

1775
01:20:58,400 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 2: believe he did. We you and I were texting each

1776
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 2: in the moment as this fight was happening. I'm like,

1777
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,759
Speaker 2: oh my god, Bremen's about to put hands on somebody,

1778
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 2: which would have meant like expulsion, right, It would have

1779
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 2: been a very bad move for him. I think he

1780
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 2: went a little too far in there. But was his

1781
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 2: message wrong about either the stoppage or the overall treatment

1782
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 2: in this case? In the recent trend. It's not wrong, Luke.

1783
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 2: The real answer is how to what level is it? Right?

1784
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 2: We already unfortunately have this overall feeling in boxing with

1785
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 2: these scorecards, and how many times do we see it

1786
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 2: where the scores happen and one of the three judges

1787
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 2: or two of them are just way, you know, ten

1788
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 2: rounds of zero or whatever. You're just like, no, that's

1789
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 2: not that's not it does it more often go to

1790
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 2: the fighter who's on the A side. It does so

1791
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 2: when they're competing, when they're complaining about this A side

1792
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 2: stoppage here, I want to say, no, this isn't the moment.

1793
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 2: The referee, who is a very good referee by the way,

1794
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 2: Mark Nelson, is just trying to protect the fighter. And

1795
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 2: I think even if you read Tony Weeks's full interview

1796
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 2: that he gave Michael Woods of New York Fights about

1797
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 2: that roly stoppage, unless you're just dead set on him

1798
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 2: being you know, have gotten money behind the scenes, you

1799
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 2: can also understand the sturarly stoppage in general are going

1800
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 2: in the direction of care of prevention. They're getting it wrong,

1801
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 2: but it's in the right side. But what about that

1802
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 2: A side thing from Redman. They announced the scores afterwards.

1803
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 2: It was a close fight, ste you know Steve Farhood

1804
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 2: on showtime, Luke had it. I think he had only

1805
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 2: two points up at that moment a Damas. But then

1806
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 2: the scorecards are released and one judge had it eight

1807
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 2: to nothing for Carlos adamis Luke insane?

1808
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 1: Insane?

1809
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 2: Look back on that. At the very least, you got

1810
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 2: to give Jay Rock like three rounds at the very right.

1811
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying that fight was a draw.

1812
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 2: Jay Rock said in the interview. Look, it was a

1813
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty fight at that point. It wasn't a

1814
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 2: Damas had surged back ahead after because I think, look,

1815
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 2: Adamas almost punched himself out twice trying to finish Jay Rock.

1816
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 2: And I think it was Jay Rock's stubbornness that made

1817
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 2: this such a good fight. But to have it eight

1818
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 2: nothing is insulting. The other two judges were closer to reality,

1819
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 2: but not even really. There is there a larger problem

1820
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 2: on the treatment of a side fires. I'd like to

1821
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 2: say there isn't, Luke, but we continue to have these

1822
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 2: things pile up. Now do I believe Mark Nelson stop

1823
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 2: the fight early than it should have because of the

1824
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 2: A side. No, I don't. I do think though, we

1825
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 2: are having too many moments which can be thrown into

1826
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 2: that basket because this is These are horrible stoppages to

1827
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 2: the financial futures of the fighters who are putting it

1828
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 2: all in, and I love that it's angled towards saving them.

1829
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 2: But we always say this about boxing whenever there's a bad,

1830
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,560
Speaker 2: unfortunate ring death, or which happens more often than you realize,

1831
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 2: or there's somebody getting hurt really bad. You know, think

1832
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 2: Magomed a bunch of years back is you know, well,

1833
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 2: what can we do to change it? Well, anything you

1834
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 2: do too far means you're taking it away from what

1835
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 2: the sport is boxing. There is huge inherent dangers built

1836
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 2: in here. But I think it's an all or nothing thing.

1837
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 2: I think it's either you outlawed the sport, which is

1838
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 2: not gonna happen. I don't think you can clean it

1839
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 2: up too much. I don't think you can safeen it

1840
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 2: up too much. It's still a fight at the end

1841
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 2: of the day. And Jay Rock wasn't in that round

1842
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: and was still thrown back and was blocking punches.

1843
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,639
Speaker 1: He was throwing a punch when the referee stepped in.

1844
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 2: And even when you're always gonna lean on that, I'd

1845
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 2: rather at a punch too soon than a punch too late.

1846
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to be in the shoes of anybody

1847
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 2: who's connected to when we have these awful moments of

1848
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 2: ring deaths or when someone's changed. I don't want that

1849
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 2: responsibility as a judge, referee, promoter, broadcaster, or even a fan.

1850
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 2: It sucks. I'm never gonna be fully secure with who

1851
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,440
Speaker 2: I am as a boxing fan because of this ridiculous

1852
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 2: price that they often pay, either full in death or

1853
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 2: sometimes partially in a very changed life after fighting. But

1854
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it is fighting right,

1855
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:39,600
Speaker 2: and at the end of the day there has to

1856
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 2: be an allowance. That's why I get mad when a

1857
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 2: guy gets dropped and a ref just waves it off

1858
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 2: before even giving him the ten seconds to show us

1859
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 2: if he can shake it off. We're going in the

1860
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 2: direction where this isn't boxing anymore. And if there's enough

1861
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 2: reason for these guys to scream the a side argument,

1862
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 2: we're doing something wrong. We are at this moment, Luke,

1863
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 2: because Jay Rocks should have been allowed a chance to

1864
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 2: show his recouver skills, which he showed earlier in such

1865
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 2: bold and really smart ways that the holding all of that,

1866
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 2: he's a look. One thing we'll say about Jay Rock

1867
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 2: he is an old school technician. He is a veteran.

1868
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 2: He understands this game. He was in that fight, so

1869
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 2: was Barroso against Romero too. But we gotta get out

1870
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 2: of the way of this shit. And sometimes, Luke, what

1871
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 2: do we love about you know, the late Steve Smoger,

1872
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 2: the great Hall of Fame referee. These are fighters referees.

1873
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 2: Tony Weeks was always a fighter's referee, But Luke, he

1874
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 2: was the referee when your boss Sidley got into physical

1875
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 2: trouble there against Morrell, and I don't envy that. Did

1876
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 2: that change his decision making? It might have, Luke, but

1877
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 2: this is also a very very dark sport, and I

1878
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 2: don't know if you can actually change that. How much

1879
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 2: can you change the NFL rules until before it becomes

1880
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 2: touch football? Luke, They're right, it's the same conversation. M hmm.

1881
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, at some point, it is just what it is.

1882
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: I'll just say this, The commission model is maybe the

1883
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: one that we have to use. I've said it a

1884
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: million times, but it's a terrible model. It has all

1885
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: kinds of problems that are deep and profound. And then

1886
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, Jay Rock had a tweet yesterday saying I

1887
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: had to fight five people. I had to fight Carlos Adamis,

1888
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 1: I had to fight the ref, and I had to

1889
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 1: fight all three judges. It's a little bit strong, but

1890
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 1: I understand where he's coming from. Yeah, BC. Lastly on

1891
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 1: this or actually on the Boxing Weekend recap, Edgar Bloga

1892
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: gets a twelfth round unanimous decision when he beat up

1893
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: Jason Quigley dropped him four times. I watched the fight

1894
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: this morning. Here's what I'm gonna say about Burlonga. He

1895
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: looked fine. They're talking about a fight with Haimimungia next.

1896
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 1: I don't know if the promoters are gonna be able

1897
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,679
Speaker 1: to make that, even though they're both under the Dezonne banner.

1898
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 1: But one way or the other, I'll just say this,

1899
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 1: did this look to you like he was quieting some

1900
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 1: of the criticism that has developed because he didn't look bad,

1901
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: but he didn't look great either.

1902
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the answer is yes and no, but I think,

1903
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:48,600
Speaker 2: unfortunately I'm leaning more towards no. So let's set the

1904
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 2: stage right. We talked about the deal leaving Top Break

1905
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 2: on mutual term signing with Eddie Hearn. And now he's

1906
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 2: getting this big push and he can fill theaters in

1907
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 2: New York City, which he did at MSG there, he's

1908
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 2: got the Puerto Rican Fabi, He's got everything want. But

1909
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 2: that sixteen fight first round knockout streak hurt him really

1910
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 2: badly as a fighter in his growth and development. To

1911
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 2: his credit, he took the year off here went back

1912
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 2: to his original trainer, and Luke, I don't know if

1913
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 2: you saw between rounds there, if you're watching close enough,

1914
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 2: is the original trainer was like verbally accosting him a

1915
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 2: lot to try to wake him up. Did Burlonga right

1916
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 2: some of the wrongs and fix a good part of

1917
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 2: his reputation? Yes, he dropped quickly four times, including twice

1918
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 2: in the final round. Luke, I had the okay bet

1919
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 2: that this would go under. So I was agonizing watching

1920
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 2: that final round where quickly survived. And let's add in

1921
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 2: that Jason Quigley, who had been averaged for most of

1922
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 2: his career after being a bright prospect, fought the best

1923
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 2: fight of his career, the best game plan under trainer

1924
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 2: and Lee. Andy Lee gave himself the best chance to win,

1925
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 2: and by doing that muted some of the potential ways

1926
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 2: that Berloga could have taken over this fight. So the

1927
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 2: good is that Buranga survived in events he wanted one,

1928
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 2: dominantly scored for knockdowns, all of that. But the bad news,

1929
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 2: Luke is it's it's the work in progress thing is.

1930
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 2: I don't think he's that far toward progress still, I

1931
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 2: don't think he's that far different from the guy who

1932
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 2: went to the decision four times to end his top

1933
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,600
Speaker 2: rank career and look kind of flat doing it. He

1934
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,479
Speaker 2: was way too inconsistent, even with a year layoff where

1935
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 2: you give him some room to show you something. And

1936
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,839
Speaker 2: we're talking about huge names. I mean, look, promotionally, Canello

1937
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 2: signed with the PBC has to crush Eddie Hearn and

1938
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 2: Burlonga because you know that's the fight to make. But

1939
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 2: you mentioned can we even make these other fights. The

1940
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 2: two names that Barlonga wants the most, and he brought

1941
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 2: him up after the fight is either Haimimongia or Gonadi Glovekin,

1942
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 2: And you know both of those two are flawed in

1943
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 2: certain ways where it's not out of the realm that

1944
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 2: it's a very good fight, and that Brologa can win it,

1945
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 2: but he's not. You know, what Brolongo was supposed to

1946
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 2: do was blow through quickly. And you know, look, maybe

1947
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 2: if one of those two twelve th row knockdowns had

1948
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 2: led to a stoppage, we would have a different tune.

1949
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 2: But if you watch this fight close enough, dude, he's

1950
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 2: just not there. I think that knockout streak certainly he

1951
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 2: delayed his growth. I know there's questions about his commitment

1952
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 2: and in his fight IQ and all of that. He's

1953
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 2: got a long way to go. I don't know if

1954
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 2: he gets there before he ultimately gets cashed out though,

1955
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 2: And that's a harsh thing to say out loud, but

1956
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Could he beat monge as sure, but

1957
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 2: Oscar and Eddie Herner are not working together. It doesn't

1958
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:18,600
Speaker 2: seem right now. Maybe his oonne would make them, but

1959
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 2: losing that that thing you're building to at the end

1960
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 2: of the rainbow, which is Canelo in the short term,

1961
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 2: that doesn't help either, Luke. And he's also not in

1962
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 2: a position to win that fight or even look all

1963
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 2: that good. He's pretty good, You're not great, Luke. I

1964
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:31,600
Speaker 2: don't know if he gets there. I don't because I

1965
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 2: don't know what the real hiccup is behind the scenes.

1966
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 1: He was this time he was walking down Quickly, which

1967
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 1: at times made sense. It's not like I think that's

1968
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 1: inherently a bad thing all the time, but like Quickly

1969
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: was kind of on his horse. He wasn't doing a

1970
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he was doing some ring cutting, like not

1971
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: faking or fainting, not like setting things up, just kind

1972
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 1: of going and then like hoping a big shot landed,

1973
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: which at times it did. There's times where you can

1974
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 1: see him put combinations together like Okay, that's great. There's

1975
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: just not enough of the in between things that like

1976
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, that make a box, like the really special

1977
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 1: version of him.

1978
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a couple of rounds where he worked

1979
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 2: behind the jab and you're like, okay, this is him.

1980
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 1: He got rocked one time by Quickly, too quickly.

1981
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 2: Not a puncher at sixty eight under any means. The

1982
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 2: problem was too often because Quickly was showing him fresh

1983
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 2: boxing looks through Andy Lee, which again, now not only

1984
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 2: did they do great, I'll say it all the time.

1985
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 2: Sergio Mora on his own, one of the most underrated

1986
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 2: analysts in this game. I thought he called a great

1987
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 2: fight and they were right, quickly fought out of his ass.

1988
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 2: Eddy Hern said so afterwards. But what that led to

1989
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 2: while he's boxing out of his ass was Berlenga following

1990
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 2: him around, not punching, looking for one big shot. That's

1991
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 2: not gonna win. It's not gonna win. The If Berlengga's

1992
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 2: ready to beat Glovekin and Mungia and do it dominantly,

1993
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 2: he would have blown Jason quickly away in four rounds, Luke,

1994
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 2: he's not the guy that that knockout streak suggests. Is

1995
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 2: there still time? Yes? Is the foundational skill there very good?

1996
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 2: It has a chance to be. But the new trainer

1997
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 2: didn't fix it because they were yelling at him all

1998
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 2: fight to wake the frick up, and they were using

1999
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 2: the F word a lot, Luke. That's a warning sign.

2000
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 2: That's a sign it is. And you know there's not

2001
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 2: all the all the big names of sixty eight are

2002
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 2: in PBC. We all know that. So is there a

2003
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 2: world where Erlenga could beat glove Canan Mungia in somewhat

2004
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 2: big fights and raise that stature and do something across

2005
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 2: the street. Yeah, maybe, but there's no guarantee he would

2006
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 2: even beat Mangia Luke because what happened.

2007
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think he would beat Mangia.

2008
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 1: I don't think he would. I think Mungia would would

2009
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,640
Speaker 1: hurt him. Uh, you see very quickly because we got

2010
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: to get to DMS. We gotta get to Have you

2011
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:35,799
Speaker 1: seen this shit? Why is Oscar so relentless these days

2012
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,599
Speaker 1: about shitting on Eddie Hearn? I don't fucking get it

2013
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 1: at all.

2014
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,799
Speaker 2: I don't know if well, okay, it'd be a natural

2015
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:46,599
Speaker 2: explanation to say, when Canelo and Oscar got divorced, right,

2016
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 2: what did what did Canelo do? He looked at the landscape,

2017
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 2: went right to Eddie Hearn, who was on the same

2018
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 2: network of his own, right. I mean, Canelo could have

2019
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 2: walked away from his zone for good. They didn't. They

2020
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 2: didn't come through with the full three hundred and sixty

2021
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 2: five million deal that he signed. They basically got to

2022
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 2: a point where they said, we can't keep paying it,

2023
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,600
Speaker 2: we can't finish it. And he still came back to

2024
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 2: Dizone because he felt hern had the best offering for him,

2025
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 2: and it really was. He was the star for a

2026
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 2: while there at the zone outside of the Caleb Plant fight.

2027
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess it's that where Oscar's like, you know,

2028
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 2: my guy divorced me and went to you, and look

2029
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 2: you made it worse. Oscar's armed with this Luke. Maybe

2030
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:23,919
Speaker 2: something we didn't talk about in Canelos signing with PBC.

2031
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 2: Once the Bevall fight fell apart and once they couldn't

2032
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 2: do Badu Jack Eddie Hearn didn't have a viable offering

2033
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 2: for him at one sixty eight or anything. And what

2034
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 2: the reporting behind the scenes from from both Mike Coppinger

2035
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 2: and Dan Rayfield suggests is that de Zone was like,

2036
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 2: we took a loss for the John Ryder fight. We

2037
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:43,600
Speaker 2: take a loss whenever you fight somebody that's not you know,

2038
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 2: glovekin or whatever. They didn't you know that the offer

2039
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 2: wasn't there in this regard, there was there was no

2040
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 2: money there. The money was in PBC. That's you know. Ultimately,

2041
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 2: I think while he's doing that and getting closer to

2042
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 2: that Benevida's fight, but I think it's Oscar just like, look,

2043
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 2: you took my guy from me and you ruined him. Now,

2044
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 2: that's too strong and not accurate, but that would be

2045
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 2: Oscar's argument in this case, and it's petty and it's ridiculous.

2046
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:06,639
Speaker 2: And you know, does does Zone have the upper hand

2047
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 2: at the end, because both promoters are signed exclusively with them?

2048
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 2: And maybe de Zone's got a leg up for allowing

2049
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 2: Oscar to let Ryan Garcia fight on showtime. I'm not sure,

2050
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 2: but I don't think it would stop among the fight

2051
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 2: from happening against Berloga. But it's it's weird to see

2052
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 2: Oscar go to these lengths now. To be fair, Luke,

2053
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:27,759
Speaker 2: is is what Oscar saying about him? True? That PBC

2054
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 2: doesn't like Eddian, doesn't want to work with him, Top

2055
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 2: Rank hates Eddien doesn't want to work with him. Eddie

2056
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 2: always says, well, that's because I'm so successful. Like what

2057
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 2: do you make of Eddie Hearner in America right now?

2058
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 2: Like he's got good fighters, he makes good events, but

2059
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 2: he's not like selling big houses in the US when

2060
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:42,839
Speaker 2: it's not a j or Canelo.

2061
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean I like Eddie hearn I think

2062
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 1: he's a pretty good promoter. Actually, I think I I

2063
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, he's one of these guys who when he

2064
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 1: shit talks like Bob Errom or something, he's always like,

2065
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 1: I'd still do a deal with Bob in fact, he

2066
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:56,600
Speaker 1: still wants to do a deal with you know, with

2067
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:00,719
Speaker 1: Oscar if it can be made. So she really appreciate

2068
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,000
Speaker 1: him as a promoter. He sort of gets that you

2069
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:03,640
Speaker 1: got to mix it up and get dirty a little bit,

2070
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 1: but at the same time make sure you make all

2071
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 1: the big deals that you can. So I agree with that.

2072
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,759
Speaker 1: I've often said that, like, I don't think his US

2073
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: push has been quite what it is over in the UK,

2074
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's altogether unfair BC. I mean,

2075
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 1: I got a little bit of pushback when I said

2076
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 1: it the first time a few months ago, but I

2077
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 1: feel like that's largely largely panned out. Yeah, I don't know.

2078
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 1: Someone Mike He's asking, is he one of the more

2079
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 1: fighter friendly promoters in the game. Yeah, I would say

2080
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:30,600
Speaker 1: that he is.

2081
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 2: No, that's the key to his success. Well, the real

2082
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 2: key to his success is what him and his dad

2083
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 2: did in the UK and how they since Anthony Joshua

2084
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 2: on the twenty twelve Olympics have turned boxing in UK

2085
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 2: to a destination, a night out, a party, a you know,

2086
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 2: almost an elite event. People show up in suits to

2087
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 2: that at times in the UK. But how he's been

2088
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 2: able to stretch this to take over America, take over

2089
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 2: being you know in quotes of how what degree do

2090
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 2: you think he has? It's by being fighter friendly. He

2091
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 2: understands that, he gets it. That's why him and Canelo

2092
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 2: are still close and they would work together if Eddie

2093
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 2: had the right fight. And I don't want to downplay Eddie.

2094
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 2: I think he's great for the sport. I think he's

2095
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 2: doing great. Look what he's done Taylor and Serrano in

2096
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 2: New York City. I mean that was you know, old

2097
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 2: boxing heads still say that was the, if not the

2098
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 2: number one boxing in arena experience they've had. It's right

2099
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 2: there in the conversation. But I just think across the board,

2100
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:22,679
Speaker 2: Eddie hasn't taken over like maybe some of his words

2101
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 2: had said so. So some of what Oscar's saying is

2102
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 2: rooted in truth, but there's also weird pettiness and jealousy.

2103
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 2: And I mean it's Oscar Luke right, it's hat.

2104
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: I mean Oscar needs to worry about keeping Ryan Garcia happy.

2105
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 1: But okay, see, let's move the show along if we can.

2106
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:37,600
Speaker 1: That's it for our top five. Let's go now to

2107
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 1: DMS from Donks. We put up social posts on Sunday.

2108
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 1: You guys fill him up with question. Our producers pick

2109
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 1: them and then we answer, let's do it.

2110
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 2: Dude, why does this sound like that donkey is?

2111
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 4: Uh?

2112
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 2: Remember that video in the nineties that used to get

2113
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 2: thrown around, Luke of the horse and don't I don't

2114
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 2: want to go further, but you know that video talking

2115
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 2: about from like the mid nineties. You know I'm talking

2116
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 2: about as the one that you're in. Well, there was

2117
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 2: probably some urine exchanged in the transaction, but no, I

2118
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 2: was not in it. Luke. It's gotta be as gross

2119
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 2: as that two girls thing. You're trying to make me

2120
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 2: two broke girls or whatever.

2121
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 1: You still need to watch it, Okay, BC from Cole

2122
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 1: Underscore Brown eight five A, what do you think about

2123
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 1: one Championship using a ring rather than a cage for

2124
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 1: some of their MMA bouts? It has kind of a

2125
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: pride vibe, BC, I actually have an update on this. Yes,

2126
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine explain this to me. Here's what

2127
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 1: he says. The Thai government doesn't allow one to use

2128
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 1: a cage at Loompini, which is one of the more

2129
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: so Lumpini and Roger Dominran are their big Thai stadiums.

2130
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 1: This being muay thais sacred ground and all, which is

2131
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 1: why all events there use the ring. In January, they

2132
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 1: started running weekly one Friday night fights out of Lompini,

2133
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: consisting mainly of muy Thai and kickboxing. So for whatever

2134
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 1: reason they put the Bowler Versus Mallekin fight there, I

2135
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 1: guess because they wanted to be in a good time

2136
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:04,760
Speaker 1: zone for both India and Russia the respective sort of

2137
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: nations that the fighters were representing, and then the fight

2138
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 1: night on Prime videos are the ones that happen in

2139
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 1: a different time zone are There's some other reasons about

2140
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 1: maybe why they did that, but it just comes down

2141
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 1: to that they actually can't put a cage in Lampini,

2142
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 1: So the question is like, why wouldn't you put that

2143
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 1: fight on some other place. I don't know. I don't

2144
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 1: know what the answer is about why they had to

2145
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 1: put it at that part of the calendar, but they did.

2146
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:29,440
Speaker 2: I mean competitively, there's pros and cons there's advantages and disadvantages.

2147
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 2: As a viewer, Luke, I get the Pride throwback and

2148
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 2: that's cool, and if that's enough to make people feel

2149
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:36,880
Speaker 2: like it's more of a war or something special and

2150
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 2: that's great, but I think you know, effectively, the cage

2151
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 2: is the better format for this sport, and it is.

2152
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 2: You made a comment when we were watching that fight

2153
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 2: live and that fight being Mallekin against Booler on Friday morning,

2154
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 2: that it you know, the ring is not holding them. Well,

2155
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 2: I mean that's part of the cons of it.

2156
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also like if you are if you don't

2157
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 1: have great striking footwork and your opponent does, that's a

2158
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:06,480
Speaker 1: bad place to fucking be. Yeah, that's a bad place. Yeah,

2159
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 1: or anywhere really, all right, Ah, Jimmy underscore read is

2160
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 1: Ilia versus Max the most exciting fight that can be

2161
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 1: made at one five not involving Vulcan. I gotta say

2162
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 1: Ilia versus Yaeir might be the most exciting yet.

2163
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 2: Ilia versus Ya Year or anything involving Ortega. You really

2164
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 2: can match him with any of these guys. Yeah, I mean,

2165
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I know people are about BCA. Stop

2166
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 2: bringing up or taking nobody else's I love him. He's

2167
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 2: still a viable contender. But he makes great fights in

2168
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 2: probably great post nights loud probably knowing, probably fantastic postfights, right,

2169
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:46,559
Speaker 2: It just just next level, But dude, he makes great fights,

2170
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 2: So I'm always gonna bring him up in this case.

2171
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 2: But you're right, Yayir versus Iliad. No disrespect to Max

2172
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 2: who makes great fights with everybody as well. But you know,

2173
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 2: if I'm gonna pick what I would flavor in terms

2174
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 2: of what's the best action fight you can make, I'd

2175
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 2: probably say that, Yeah, okay, Max versus Staporia for the

2176
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 2: title would post Vulk would be uh would be a

2177
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 2: special night at the office, Luke, that'd be a big

2178
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:09,480
Speaker 2: fight'll be huge.

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01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 1: Huge, all right? From Leo the Lion, Levy got enough

2180
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 1: l's in there. Can you guys list the top five

2181
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:21,720
Speaker 1: best chins in the UFC of all time? B See,

2182
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:23,640
Speaker 1: what do you say? The Diaz brothers have got to

2183
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 1: be on that list?

2184
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:28,879
Speaker 2: True, Markant has to be, and Roy Nelson and markont

2185
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 2: have to be.

2186
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 1: They have to be Foundation, They have to be Roy

2187
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 1: Nelson in particular.

2188
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,559
Speaker 2: But yeah, Big Nog, although he showed more of it

2189
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 2: in Pride, right, Big Nog's chin is just there's nothing

2190
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 2: like it, Luke, There's nothing like it.

2191
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 1: Big Knox's chin is one of the most legendary things

2192
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 1: of all time.

2193
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 2: Nothing like it. When we did that fade or deep dive,

2194
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 2: and I got to, you know, reimagine those moments like,

2195
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:52,519
Speaker 2: holy shit, that guy's got a chin on him.

2196
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 1: I would say Dan Henderson, Dan Henderson's got a big

2197
01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:02,759
Speaker 1: ass chin. Josh Emmett, Yeah, josh EM's pretty good. Max

2198
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 1: Max obviously Max has a great chin. Who are the

2199
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 1: guys that had great chins? That just I mean, for

2200
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:11,640
Speaker 1: a time, Vanderley Silva had a good chin. It just

2201
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 1: about chins.

2202
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 2: Because you mentioned Diz Brothers as your first offering, and

2203
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:18,679
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and say that DIA's brothers

2204
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:21,800
Speaker 2: don't have bad astery and their punch resistance. But I've

2205
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 2: always felt there's a difference, not that there's levels, but

2206
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 2: there's distinctions within who has a great chin, because some

2207
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:31,160
Speaker 2: guys have flash chins. Think Eddie Alvarez, meaning you can

2208
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:33,600
Speaker 2: floor them right. There were there were certain boxers on

2209
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 2: the way up, bright prospects, but they got dropped flash

2210
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:38,719
Speaker 2: knockdowns a couple of times. You can have a flashish chin,

2211
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:43,639
Speaker 2: but does that change your your overall reputation on true

2212
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 2: will and resistance to be able to get up and

2213
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 2: continue and hang in craziness. I mean, Eddie Alvarez is

2214
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 2: a dog, no one's gonna ever say to me, he's got,

2215
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,800
Speaker 2: you know, one of the best backbones in this sport's history.

2216
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:55,879
Speaker 2: But you could have hurt him quicker than most right.

2217
01:40:57,320 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 1: One, I'm not really talking about that. I'm talking about

2218
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:01,639
Speaker 1: guys who can take a punch without being knocked down.

2219
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 2: So you would not put Eddie and Poorier. I'm serious here,

2220
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 2: you would Eddie and Pooria. You wouldn't put them in that.

2221
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 2: They have flash chins, but they have wills that are

2222
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 2: next level.

2223
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 1: They've both been stopped with strike snow. Okay, okay, which

2224
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 1: doesn't say they don't have good chins. They do. We're

2225
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 1: talking The question here is all timers all timers. I

2226
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 1: don't think they have all timer chins. I think they

2227
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 1: have just very very good ones. So yeah, uh.

2228
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:29,240
Speaker 2: A female fighter who develops a reputation solely based on

2229
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 2: their chin, or not solely, but a huge part of

2230
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 2: why they can hang in there because that's a superpower.

2231
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 2: Emmett is an elite fighter, Luke because he has that

2232
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 2: chin to be able to hang in fights and still get.

2233
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 1: What he who is the who's the one forty five

2234
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:49,439
Speaker 1: or cyborg beat the fuck out of in UFC, The

2235
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 1: Canadian woman.

2236
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 2: I believe Felicia Spencer.

2237
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 1: Felicia Spencer, she beat the living dog shit out of

2238
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:56,559
Speaker 1: her and she hung around.

2239
01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah she's teaching now, Luke, I'm sure she did. She

2240
01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 2: did have a great chin. And Mikey bringing up too,

2241
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 2: that the fans are offering in the live chat within

2242
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 2: the misogyny and racism, Luke, Mikey swam through and found it. Yeah,

2243
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:10,040
Speaker 2: dude number one with a bullet. But John Jones has

2244
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 2: to be, has to be, has to be mentioned in

2245
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:16,640
Speaker 2: this conversation. And Mikey says Marvil Vittori. Yeah, how the

2246
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:18,840
Speaker 2: hell we forget that so quickly, Luke, how the hell.

2247
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:23,519
Speaker 1: Do Rock Chin absolute fucking iron chin ic Chin?

2248
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2249
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, here we go from it's not cage fighting.

2250
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:31,480
Speaker 1: Has Flyway become the best women's division in the UFCBC,

2251
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 1: that's a question for you.

2252
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 2: Let's have that question. Has it right now top to

2253
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 2: one fifteen? I think you can make that argument. Some

2254
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 2: of that also is like, look, Rose just might have

2255
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 2: left one fifteen to go to one twenty five. People

2256
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:47,599
Speaker 2: are now parachuting in why because there's big business, because

2257
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:51,720
Speaker 2: there's big names. One fifteen's key has always been that.

2258
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:54,000
Speaker 2: I think from one to ten, the top ten has

2259
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 2: always been very strong. There's always been like four or

2260
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 2: five women who you're like, I could see them winning

2261
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 2: the title. And there's also been legends who have fought

2262
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:02,920
Speaker 2: each other multiple times and built this sort of mount

2263
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:07,640
Speaker 2: rushmore of the division's history of Joanna rose Waylee Andrage.

2264
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:10,000
Speaker 2: Who is the other one I'm missing, Luke there's another one?

2265
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 2: Oh as far as it won the title twice. I mean,

2266
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 2: there's been great fighters that have come through here. But yeah,

2267
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 2: at the moment right now, one twenty five is the

2268
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 2: best women's division in the game. It is. It is.

2269
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 1: I think that. I don't think that's not crazy right now.

2270
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, six months ago that might have

2271
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 1: been crazy, but dude, times change quickly in the sport.

2272
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:32,760
Speaker 1: Things move rapidly, So yeah, you might be right. You

2273
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:34,799
Speaker 1: might be right, and it kind.

2274
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 2: Of should be because people have always said the reason

2275
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 2: why one fifteen has been like overwhelmingly the best UFC

2276
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 2: female division in history has been because that's just the

2277
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 2: perfect weight class where you have the largest number of

2278
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 2: women that size two are also really good and have

2279
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 2: been training forever and have gotten to that level. But

2280
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 2: weightcutting is not easy, and people grow over time, so

2281
01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:58,040
Speaker 2: it should be natural that eventually one twenty five would

2282
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 2: maybe not catch up, but would start to fill up

2283
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:02,840
Speaker 2: of people who say, hey, it's only a ten pound difference,

2284
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 2: let's move up. And especially when that was a Baron

2285
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:07,719
Speaker 2: division where you had a much shorter ride to the title,

2286
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:09,840
Speaker 2: it has finally caught up with us. One fifteen is

2287
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 2: not easy to.

2288
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 1: Make fair enough. I don't think that, especially what people.

2289
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:16,040
Speaker 2: Fill out muscularly, that changes the way cut right.

2290
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,680
Speaker 1: It does. And you know on the mens side too,

2291
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 1: when you're twenty four, it's one thing. When you're thirty one,

2292
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 1: thirty two, it's a very different one, all right, b

2293
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:26,760
Speaker 1: see last but not least from telvin Ky Papa.

2294
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:29,840
Speaker 2: The whi ze Oh I love that guy.

2295
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:32,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it says Cole Brown eight five eight on

2296
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 1: the screen there, Mikey, that's all right. Last but not least.

2297
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:38,439
Speaker 1: If you guys had the chance to book a MMA

2298
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 1: fight between two celebrities, who would they be BC, who

2299
01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 1: would they be?

2300
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 2: I mean after after Musk versus Zuck.

2301
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:49,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would actually keep it Musk versus Zuck. Winner

2302
01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:51,680
Speaker 1: gets shot into outer space, loser gets shot to the

2303
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:52,840
Speaker 1: bottom of the Mariana trend.

2304
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:54,720
Speaker 2: We got a little bit more on that, and have

2305
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 2: you seen this shit? So all won't go there. And

2306
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:59,720
Speaker 2: just to clarify quickly here, I'm not standing on the

2307
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:02,320
Speaker 2: street corner saying I want this fight, Okay.

2308
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:04,720
Speaker 1: I would we get some pushback, Oh yeah, a lot

2309
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:04,920
Speaker 1: of it.

2310
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 2: I just want to let people know nor you know,

2311
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:09,880
Speaker 2: I think it's it's disrespectful to the UFC and elite

2312
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:12,479
Speaker 2: MMA to roll this fight out. I just felt like

2313
01:45:12,520 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 2: while we were debating it that there was a certain

2314
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:16,920
Speaker 2: inevitability that if the fighters, if the two guys actually

2315
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:20,400
Speaker 2: wanted to do it, the two lustful billionaires, Yeah right,

2316
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:23,639
Speaker 2: that to see Dana that giddy means it actually could

2317
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:25,720
Speaker 2: get done. So let's actually talk about it rather than

2318
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:27,720
Speaker 2: just shit on them and the people who would be

2319
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:30,000
Speaker 2: interested in it. I also do agree that if it

2320
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 2: was happening, I couldn't turn away from it. I'd have

2321
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 2: to get involved in. I mean, yeah, it would have

2322
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 2: to be. But I am not asking for this, nor

2323
01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 2: do I necessarily want it. I was just playing off

2324
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:40,920
Speaker 2: of Luke's anger to try to have an interesting discussion.

2325
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 2: But is there a celebrity fight? I remember when Joe

2326
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:45,960
Speaker 2: Rogan was gonna fight Wesley Snipes at one point.

2327
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:48,360
Speaker 1: I I remember, I forget what UFC was, but there

2328
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 1: was one UFC where on the air. You can verify

2329
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:52,880
Speaker 1: this unless they edit it out on Fight Pass, but

2330
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:55,120
Speaker 1: there is one event on the air where Joe Rogan

2331
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:57,559
Speaker 1: was like, you know, if my friend Wesley Snipes is watching,

2332
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 1: it's a real offer. They got reasonably close. That's a

2333
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:03,000
Speaker 1: little different because you have two guys with martial arts

2334
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 1: training and then one guy, you know, obviously with a

2335
01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 1: significant amount of martial arts involvement. Even that would be gimmicky.

2336
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:11,840
Speaker 1: But you know, there was an action.

2337
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 2: Movie star, and I'm sure you can fill in the

2338
01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:15,720
Speaker 2: names of the modern ones that are in their you know,

2339
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:18,519
Speaker 2: physical twenties and thirties prime who I'm not thinking of.

2340
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:21,639
Speaker 2: But what if we put in, you know, a Paul

2341
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 2: Brother against like a leading badass action movie star. That's

2342
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:27,160
Speaker 2: kind of nice.

2343
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:29,720
Speaker 1: I'm the wrong guy to ask this because it's like

2344
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:32,759
Speaker 1: I've seen so many fights. There's no mystery to me here.

2345
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:37,280
Speaker 1: It's like two guys who are inevitably going to be

2346
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:41,400
Speaker 1: shit at this. Which two guys who are shit would

2347
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 1: you like to see do this? And it's like, Yeah,

2348
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:47,680
Speaker 1: that doesn't do anything for me. I don't know how

2349
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:48,360
Speaker 1: to answer that.

2350
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:52,559
Speaker 2: Mikey is offering Michael B. Jordan versus Mark Wahlberg since

2351
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:55,160
Speaker 2: they both did boxing movies. Okay, Michael B. Jordan's probably

2352
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 2: the name. I'm thinking, like like an in shape in

2353
01:46:57,200 --> 01:47:01,000
Speaker 2: the moment leading actor who's just sick on peds. Just

2354
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:04,519
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just is a shredded machine. Luke, what

2355
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:08,799
Speaker 2: if he seriously? Let's let let me let me Everybody

2356
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:10,400
Speaker 2: could pause the show or fast forward if they don't

2357
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 2: want to hear this. But Michael B. Jordan versus Logan

2358
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 2: Paul and a straight up MMA fight? Could that happen?

2359
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 2: Would you care? And would Dana break last? I mean,

2360
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 2: Dana has already said that if this thing happens, it

2361
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 2: would be a main event of a UFC pay per view.

2362
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:26,240
Speaker 1: I just don't see any way these guys do this

2363
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:29,880
Speaker 1: and then take the re they perceived anyway, reputational harm

2364
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:31,880
Speaker 1: that would come from a loss or worse, like do

2365
01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 1: no one wants to be Nate Robinson. No one wants

2366
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:35,839
Speaker 1: to be Nate Robinson.

2367
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:38,880
Speaker 2: Nate trained. According to people that knew Nate, Nate had

2368
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:40,800
Speaker 2: never boxed before and had trained for like a couple

2369
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:42,800
Speaker 2: of weeks and thought really didn't realize what he was

2370
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 2: getting into. Obviously, right, if these these guys are Michael Jordan,

2371
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:48,080
Speaker 2: B Jordan has to be a great athlete. He's in

2372
01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:50,080
Speaker 2: that sick shape at all time. Obviously has to work

2373
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:53,720
Speaker 2: hard along with the absurdities they're pumping inside of him.

2374
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 2: Seriously imagine him and look all if they went all

2375
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:58,920
Speaker 2: out and all in. I think if you come up

2376
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:00,639
Speaker 2: to if you show up to fight and give your best,

2377
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 2: you're not taking a reputational hit unless you get like

2378
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:06,360
Speaker 2: one punched and you get smeared across.

2379
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 1: The you get one punched. And these guys, by the way,

2380
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:11,400
Speaker 1: they suck ass. But the possibility of getting one punched

2381
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:14,760
Speaker 1: is real. Yeah, it would be bad for you, which

2382
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:16,479
Speaker 1: is why this whole thing is so stupid. You think

2383
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 1: a fifty year old, uh, you know, bag of milk

2384
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:24,479
Speaker 1: from apartheid fucking Land is gonna do something interesting, Like

2385
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:27,560
Speaker 1: how fucking out of your mind do you have to

2386
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:29,679
Speaker 1: be to think something like that. It's just the dumbest

2387
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:32,639
Speaker 1: shit ever. It's gonna be the worst fight you've ever seen.

2388
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you get I'm serious about this,

2389
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 2: like old guys the zu thing, it's it's it's a

2390
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,360
Speaker 2: next level sort of stupid. But if you got a

2391
01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 2: prime in the moment athlete and they were given the

2392
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:45,080
Speaker 2: sea and they were super, I mean they have to

2393
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:47,559
Speaker 2: be uber famous, but they were given the CMO CM

2394
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:49,360
Speaker 2: punk thing where it's like, okay, go train at a

2395
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:52,720
Speaker 2: real gym, we're gonna put in a real fight. It

2396
01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 2: went horribly. That was also a late thirty CM punk

2397
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:58,360
Speaker 2: and at that moment lust for the attention. I'm saying,

2398
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:00,760
Speaker 2: if somebody like Logan Palma will be Jordan who in

2399
01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:03,400
Speaker 2: great shape agreed to do this one time. I don't

2400
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:05,559
Speaker 2: think this is the stain on the sport of the

2401
01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:09,640
Speaker 2: Zuck Musk level. And I think both. I don't know.

2402
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 1: I think I think if you had someone like Rogan,

2403
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 1: now Rogan's in his fifties two, but like let's say

2404
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:15,920
Speaker 1: Rogan was back in his thirties or something, you know,

2405
01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:18,880
Speaker 1: black belt jiu jitsu was a taekwondo competitor of actually

2406
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:21,639
Speaker 1: a very good one. I could look the other way

2407
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:23,559
Speaker 1: on that one, for sure. I think that one's actually

2408
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:28,520
Speaker 1: reasonably worth you know, doing or entertaining at a bare minimum.

2409
01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:30,919
Speaker 1: But it's when you've got these guys, you know in Zuckerberg.

2410
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:33,160
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, don't you have a company to save? Like,

2411
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:36,320
Speaker 1: why are you Your shit is like going down the

2412
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:39,360
Speaker 1: tubes by the day, Instagram tool TikTok is eating your

2413
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:41,360
Speaker 1: fucking lunch. You got work to do, homie, you should

2414
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 1: be not training with Lex Friedman and doing a little

2415
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:46,599
Speaker 1: more work to save your company. But okay, neither here

2416
01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 1: nor there. You know, these are these these questions are

2417
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:52,200
Speaker 1: like completely uninteresting to me because it's like, dude, Like

2418
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:54,439
Speaker 1: if you go to a gym, Dude, if you want

2419
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:57,000
Speaker 1: to see musk versus Zuck, I'm not doing a bit

2420
01:49:57,040 --> 01:50:00,200
Speaker 1: what it would look like. Go find your local jiu

2421
01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:03,759
Speaker 1: jitsu jim on Nogi night and then just go watch

2422
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:07,320
Speaker 1: the beginner's class. That's what you're gonna get. Like what

2423
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 1: is But.

2424
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 2: This is where I take the other side and start

2425
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:14,080
Speaker 2: arguing with you. You're not want We're not expecting high

2426
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:18,040
Speaker 2: level striking your jiu jitsu. Fine, super rich people get

2427
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:20,920
Speaker 2: punched in the face. It's what Max Kellerman always argues

2428
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:23,599
Speaker 2: that boxing is actually the best sport of all time

2429
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:28,360
Speaker 2: because if your four favorite sports broke out in a city.

2430
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 2: Run to the fight, dude, this is what it's all about.

2431
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:33,599
Speaker 2: You'd run to see these guys show you the balls

2432
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:35,240
Speaker 2: of doing this and see who we can laugh at.

2433
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:38,840
Speaker 1: The stated though stated very clearly that you're saying, oh,

2434
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:40,880
Speaker 1: it's people would want to see it. No, no, no, no,

2435
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:45,719
Speaker 1: tell me why you want to see it specifically, what

2436
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 1: is interesting to you?

2437
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:49,880
Speaker 2: The only thing interesting to me in a Zuck thing

2438
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:54,719
Speaker 2: would be the car crash. Can avoid have to see

2439
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:56,360
Speaker 2: what they look like? Are they going to really come

2440
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:58,280
Speaker 2: out and beat each other up? Like? What is this?

2441
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:00,720
Speaker 2: I don't expect to be entertained. I don't expect that

2442
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:02,479
Speaker 2: this is a good thing for the sport. But if

2443
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:04,800
Speaker 2: it was happening and we couldn't stop it, Luke, which

2444
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:07,280
Speaker 2: to be fair, maybe Rother McGregor had that feeling for

2445
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:09,760
Speaker 2: a while before people actually were like, Okay, let's get

2446
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:11,800
Speaker 2: excited about this and figure out what it could be.

2447
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 2: You'd have to watch. That's that's why I don't think

2448
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:17,400
Speaker 2: you can completely just drop a deuce on this, like

2449
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:19,519
Speaker 2: you would have to watch it, Luke, And what you'd

2450
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 2: be looking for is the ridiculous.

2451
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:23,400
Speaker 1: It's ridiculously I mean, I would watch it because it's

2452
01:51:23,439 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 1: my job. I don't think you have to watch anything

2453
01:51:25,439 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 1: like that again. I'm gonna be saying one more time.

2454
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 1: You go to any gym, find the beginner's class. You're

2455
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:33,439
Speaker 1: gonna see exactly what you're gonna get between these two.

2456
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:35,559
Speaker 1: You're gonna see some guy who showed up from his office.

2457
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:37,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna see some guy who showed up for the

2458
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:40,800
Speaker 1: six thirty pm No G class from his office take

2459
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:42,880
Speaker 1: on some other thirty year old guy who left the

2460
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 1: job for the six thirty pm No G class. They're

2461
01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:47,200
Speaker 1: gonna do armbar drilling for a little while, they're gonna

2462
01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:49,920
Speaker 1: run around, then they're gonna spar It's gonna be shit. Yeah,

2463
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:51,080
Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna see.

2464
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:54,120
Speaker 2: Nobody's expecting that that part wouldn't be shit. Luke, you

2465
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:55,880
Speaker 2: need to get past that. You need to understand that

2466
01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:58,720
Speaker 2: there's not a damn person on this earth. That's like, man,

2467
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:01,599
Speaker 2: I want to see if if Zuck can pass his guard.

2468
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:04,880
Speaker 2: You think he's got a no more platter going. So hey, honey,

2469
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:06,920
Speaker 2: get me another one of them, you know, be.

2470
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:09,880
Speaker 1: Right, Mikey brings up people buy barstools rough and rowdy,

2471
01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:11,840
Speaker 1: and that's a bunch of bums fighting, right, But those

2472
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:18,200
Speaker 1: guys show up to get mocked. We're not. You know

2473
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:20,640
Speaker 1: what put Musk versus Zuck on rough and rowdy, and

2474
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:24,080
Speaker 1: I I pull back almost all of my criticis they don't.

2475
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:26,679
Speaker 2: Those are just they're gonna get mocked. They're just there

2476
01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:27,599
Speaker 2: to get attention.

2477
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:30,960
Speaker 1: Yes they do. They book these guys who are eminently

2478
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:34,320
Speaker 1: mockable up front, dude, that's what they do on purpose.

2479
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:37,479
Speaker 2: Zuck would probably think he Zuck would be pressured to

2480
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:39,720
Speaker 2: show that he's a real as you look, he would

2481
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:40,479
Speaker 2: show he would care.

2482
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:43,479
Speaker 1: But no, come on, that's the thing. All these guys

2483
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:45,360
Speaker 1: want to do this. Like you see Musk tweet, He's like,

2484
01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:48,960
Speaker 1: I have trained in judo and then no contact, no rules,

2485
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:51,719
Speaker 1: street fighting. No you didn't. You're an out of shape

2486
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:55,880
Speaker 1: apartheid fuck. Stop lying to everybody. You're not gonna do this.

2487
01:52:56,439 --> 01:52:58,920
Speaker 1: None of this is real. You're just making it up.

2488
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:01,840
Speaker 1: No one believes you you, no one thinks you're a badass.

2489
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:03,439
Speaker 1: Work on your ship. Please.

2490
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 2: I wish you would take that fervor and assign it

2491
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 2: to correctly pronouncing the non Latina UFC women's fighters last names.

2492
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:13,840
Speaker 1: Look, that's true, that is that is a fair criticism.

2493
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:15,320
Speaker 1: What do you want?

2494
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:17,400
Speaker 2: I have? I got my you know I got I got,

2495
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:19,360
Speaker 2: I got my favorites. What do you want? Let's get

2496
01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:23,120
Speaker 2: into the ship. Luke I scoured the globe for the

2497
01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:25,000
Speaker 2: ups and down, the Hias and niles, the good and bad,

2498
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 2: the ugly, the in between, from combat sports to elder

2499
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:30,800
Speaker 2: abuse and beyond. It's called have you seen this ship?

2500
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:40,559
Speaker 2: Mm hm, Well, isn't that convenient? Luke Zuck Musk fever

2501
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 2: is sweeping the nation and Dana White has already made

2502
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:47,880
Speaker 2: t shirts. Look, if this doesn't come off, then this

2503
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:50,680
Speaker 2: is zoof of Boxing t shirt two point zero. But

2504
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,880
Speaker 2: how do you react to the smile atop of that

2505
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:54,439
Speaker 2: T shirt?

2506
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:55,640
Speaker 1: Desperation?

2507
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:59,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is desperation, it is it is Yep.

2508
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:02,280
Speaker 1: The only reason, the only reason we're doing this is

2509
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:04,600
Speaker 1: because we don't have a mega fight on the horizon,

2510
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 1: So they're just doing this to fill like. It just

2511
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:10,080
Speaker 1: tells you what's not actually happening, because if we were

2512
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:14,599
Speaker 1: having like the Spence versus Crawford version in MMA, all

2513
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:16,720
Speaker 1: the conversation would be about that, but we don't have that,

2514
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:17,840
Speaker 1: so they're just doing this.

2515
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:21,479
Speaker 2: We're two videos from now, we're gonna run sound when

2516
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:23,240
Speaker 2: Dana talked to uh or we're gonna show you a

2517
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 2: quote from Dana when he talked to Pat McAfee on

2518
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:26,760
Speaker 2: the show. But one of the things he said on there,

2519
01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:29,160
Speaker 2: Luke is I'll be on the phone with both guys

2520
01:54:29,240 --> 01:54:31,880
Speaker 2: right after this and we're gonna talk. So maybe this

2521
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:33,920
Speaker 2: is like all those dinners with Habib where he just

2522
01:54:34,040 --> 01:54:36,040
Speaker 2: kept backing up the truck more and more and it

2523
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:39,320
Speaker 2: didn't work out. But Luke, a lot of people going, Hey, Dana,

2524
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:41,760
Speaker 2: what about the hypocrisy in this, Let's let's go to

2525
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:42,480
Speaker 2: this videotape.

2526
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:44,680
Speaker 5: That's one of the big problems with boxing right now.

2527
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:47,600
Speaker 5: It's all about these gimmicky type fights and that's just

2528
01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:49,760
Speaker 5: not what I do here. It's not what I do.

2529
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:53,040
Speaker 5: I put on fights with the best fighters in the world.

2530
01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:55,160
Speaker 4: A few moments later, I was.

2531
01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:59,080
Speaker 6: Talking to both Elon and Mark last night. Both guys

2532
01:54:59,120 --> 01:55:02,120
Speaker 6: are absolutely dead serious about this. If they really want

2533
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:03,880
Speaker 6: to do it, and they're serious and we can figure

2534
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:06,160
Speaker 6: it out and figure out a way to pull this off,

2535
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:08,160
Speaker 6: I would absolutely positively do this.

2536
01:55:08,280 --> 01:55:10,360
Speaker 2: Build a real card with real guide and they're the

2537
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 2: main event. They're the main event now let's go to

2538
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:16,280
Speaker 2: the quote from the Pat McAfee, because he did kind

2539
01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:18,720
Speaker 2: of softly question and be like, well, isn't this a

2540
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:21,080
Speaker 2: gimmick You said you don't do gimmick fights. Danx's quote

2541
01:55:21,160 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 2: is this ain't a gimmick fight. Gimmick is MMA guys

2542
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:27,960
Speaker 2: doing boxing and getting beat. We have a fight between

2543
01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 2: two We've seen it already, we know how it ends.

2544
01:55:30,240 --> 01:55:32,040
Speaker 2: This is a fight between two of the most powerful,

2545
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 2: richest in the world. Who will win. Who has seen

2546
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:35,280
Speaker 2: this before?

2547
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:36,080
Speaker 1: Nobody.

2548
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:40,320
Speaker 2: It's also a crossover fight that literally everyone will watch.

2549
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:44,480
Speaker 2: While the latter I believe is true, the former is

2550
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:50,640
Speaker 2: this isn't a gimmick fight. So, Louke, you've said to

2551
01:55:50,720 --> 01:55:53,720
Speaker 2: me offline that you think Dane is just because of

2552
01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:57,520
Speaker 2: the ESPN deal, just bored as shit and that's why

2553
01:55:57,560 --> 01:55:59,760
Speaker 2: we work our slap and that's why we have this.

2554
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:02,640
Speaker 1: I think he's bored with regular MMA. I mean, I

2555
01:56:02,640 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 1: don't know that. I've not spoken to him, and I'm

2556
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:05,720
Speaker 1: sure if I did, he would tell me to go

2557
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:09,000
Speaker 1: fuck myself. And now, okay, that's his right, but you know,

2558
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:11,120
Speaker 1: when you're like I dude, during the course of the show,

2559
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:14,320
Speaker 1: I got another email about Power Slap seven or though

2560
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:16,560
Speaker 1: it's on July seventh, Power Slap three, whatever it is.

2561
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:21,080
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, like this is this is where all

2562
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:25,200
Speaker 1: of his attention is gone. Largely it's around saying things

2563
01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:27,160
Speaker 1: about Francis, which you can you know, we've already talked

2564
01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:30,760
Speaker 1: about that promoting slap and now this it's like have

2565
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 1: you have you heard him talk about a lot? I mean,

2566
01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 1: obviously it's you know, in fairness, it's a couple of

2567
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 1: it's a couple of weeks away between UFC two ninety,

2568
01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:39,480
Speaker 1: but like, honestly, I feel like he's you know, again,

2569
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm just guessing. It just feels to me like he's

2570
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:43,080
Speaker 1: a little bit bored with not so much high level

2571
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:45,560
Speaker 1: MMA or the super highest level, but like regular day

2572
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:47,560
Speaker 1: to day stuff. It seems a little bored by me.

2573
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:49,000
Speaker 2: I want to I want to close at this point

2574
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:51,960
Speaker 2: because you know, rightfully, you get a lot of data

2575
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:54,240
Speaker 2: paraders that will come at us on social media, and

2576
01:56:54,240 --> 01:56:55,760
Speaker 2: again I always get it when it's just the people

2577
01:56:55,800 --> 01:56:57,720
Speaker 2: that like, look, I don't care about any of this.

2578
01:56:57,800 --> 01:56:59,520
Speaker 2: I care about fights. There's fights on every Saturday.

2579
01:56:59,560 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 1: Leave me alone.

2580
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:02,680
Speaker 2: That's the case. It's probably you know, just move forward.

2581
01:57:03,480 --> 01:57:05,040
Speaker 2: But you know, people are like, oh, you're but heard

2582
01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:08,640
Speaker 2: about being in that video, blah blah. No, it's constant lying,

2583
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:11,960
Speaker 2: it's constant contradicting. I mean, like everything he says is

2584
01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:15,440
Speaker 2: about boxing, shitting on it he's doing right now. Boxing says.

2585
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:17,960
Speaker 2: Promoters don't work together, he says, and they get in

2586
01:57:17,960 --> 01:57:20,080
Speaker 2: the way of the biggest fights. He's literally getting in

2587
01:57:20,120 --> 01:57:21,560
Speaker 2: the way of Francis and John right now. But I

2588
01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 2: get he can lean on his excuse of we tried

2589
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:26,080
Speaker 2: to make it, Francis didn't want it, Okay, okay, but

2590
01:57:26,240 --> 01:57:29,240
Speaker 2: why would we care so much unless we're but heard

2591
01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:31,080
Speaker 2: about that? The vide is a joke first of all.

2592
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:33,760
Speaker 2: But here's why I thought Ben Folks on Twitter uh

2593
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:36,600
Speaker 2: actually summed it up the best. Because Dan is the

2594
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:42,680
Speaker 2: only like leader of UFC that speaks on the regular

2595
01:57:42,720 --> 01:57:46,040
Speaker 2: to the media. You don't get quarterly calls with Ari

2596
01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:48,760
Speaker 2: about the you know, about Endeavor's future, where the media

2597
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:51,520
Speaker 2: can ask you know, like business related questions. You don't

2598
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:54,240
Speaker 2: get any close ups with anyone really, I mean, the

2599
01:57:54,280 --> 01:57:56,920
Speaker 2: matchmakers don't have like a public profile and a give

2600
01:57:56,920 --> 01:57:58,880
Speaker 2: and take outside of mixed tweets that we talked about

2601
01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:03,280
Speaker 2: that time. So when you're only public deliverer of the message,

2602
01:58:03,560 --> 01:58:04,960
Speaker 2: you know, because people are like, don't you guys get it.

2603
01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:08,320
Speaker 2: You've been cover combat sports forever. Promoters live, they say, shit, okay,

2604
01:58:09,080 --> 01:58:12,160
Speaker 2: But UFC has a control over this industry like no other.

2605
01:58:12,720 --> 01:58:16,800
Speaker 2: And the only guy that speaks publicly is constantly talking

2606
01:58:16,840 --> 01:58:20,200
Speaker 2: in circles, lying or outright contradicting himself. And that's all

2607
01:58:20,200 --> 01:58:22,800
Speaker 2: we get. So you know what I mean, and look

2608
01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:25,240
Speaker 2: to be honest. When we do get Dana, it's hey, Dana,

2609
01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:27,360
Speaker 2: obviously this is a great fight for that guy. What'd

2610
01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:27,760
Speaker 2: you think?

2611
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:28,520
Speaker 1: Uh?

2612
01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:35,040
Speaker 2: What what do he said? What I thought? Yeah? I

2613
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:37,120
Speaker 2: thought he looked great. And you know, okay, Dana, So

2614
01:58:37,160 --> 01:58:38,720
Speaker 2: what's next to that guy? You know, we don't we

2615
01:58:38,720 --> 01:58:40,560
Speaker 2: don't make fights on the night to fight. You know

2616
01:58:40,600 --> 01:58:43,000
Speaker 2: that already. That's all we ever get from him anyway.

2617
01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:46,360
Speaker 2: On top of this, it's just sort of like, look,

2618
01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:49,120
Speaker 2: there are realities of covering this game as a journalist,

2619
01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:51,680
Speaker 2: which they're trying to move all journalists out in favor

2620
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:54,880
Speaker 2: of entertainers and uh and that's a fact, and and

2621
01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:57,360
Speaker 2: in favor of entertainers and influencers. And I get that.

2622
01:58:57,400 --> 01:58:59,360
Speaker 2: I get that the direction is going for sports media.

2623
01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:01,400
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying necessarily stand on the corner and

2624
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:04,480
Speaker 2: say protect sports media because we're entertainers. To Luke, that's

2625
01:59:04,480 --> 01:59:06,400
Speaker 2: what it is. We're getting a paycheck to come out

2626
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:10,160
Speaker 2: here and be provocative. But that's our only access to

2627
01:59:11,120 --> 01:59:14,680
Speaker 2: give and take and answers and clarity. Look, there's no

2628
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:17,480
Speaker 2: ombudsman for UFC that you can email and get your

2629
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:20,440
Speaker 2: things sorted out, right, Like, it all points up the chain,

2630
01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:23,200
Speaker 2: and they don't speak. So when you do speak, and

2631
01:59:23,240 --> 01:59:26,360
Speaker 2: we're constantly catching you in lies, who can quote Dana

2632
01:59:26,360 --> 01:59:30,080
Speaker 2: accurately in a story anymore like accurately nobody.

2633
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:35,240
Speaker 1: It's not possible. And independence, yeah, independent, short of independent verification,

2634
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's just hard to know what is going

2635
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:39,280
Speaker 1: to be said as true. The one thing I'll add

2636
01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:40,720
Speaker 1: to this is it's supposed to be a fun segment.

2637
01:59:40,760 --> 01:59:42,600
Speaker 1: I want to keep it fun. I'll just say it's like, dude,

2638
01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:44,960
Speaker 1: it's our job not to be like, you know, we're

2639
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:48,560
Speaker 1: the journalistic truth tellers. Like we're gonna get shit wrong too, obviously,

2640
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:52,280
Speaker 1: but the job is to the best extent possible, with

2641
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:55,800
Speaker 1: an honest relationship with the audience to check up on promoters,

2642
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:57,920
Speaker 1: whether it's the PFL doing what they're doing, whether it's

2643
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:00,640
Speaker 1: Scott Cocher and Belt or Chattri Like I feel like

2644
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:02,520
Speaker 1: I spit venom, you know, no matter where it needs

2645
02:00:02,520 --> 02:00:05,480
Speaker 1: to go. So in this particular case, this is a

2646
02:00:05,480 --> 02:00:07,360
Speaker 1: little more on the silly side than anything else. But

2647
02:00:07,360 --> 02:00:08,640
Speaker 1: to me, it just speaks to the fact that like

2648
02:00:08,680 --> 02:00:10,920
Speaker 1: we don't have and this big shit going on, and

2649
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:13,680
Speaker 1: Devor is using this product to make maximum amount of money,

2650
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:17,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily in conjunction with fan interests. If people don't

2651
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:19,000
Speaker 1: like us saying that, I don't know what to tell you,

2652
02:00:19,200 --> 02:00:21,560
Speaker 1: but you have a choice to go and consume other media,

2653
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:22,280
Speaker 1: so do that.

2654
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:24,840
Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, uh well, let's get back into the fun.

2655
02:00:24,920 --> 02:00:28,320
Speaker 2: Luke UFC in Jacksonville gave us some moments, David Onama,

2656
02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:32,560
Speaker 2: San Gabriel Santos and by proxy MK super fan Dominic Sarno,

2657
02:00:32,640 --> 02:00:35,560
Speaker 2: who told you and I that Gabriel was coming he

2658
02:00:35,600 --> 02:00:38,320
Speaker 2: sent him to hell. Luke, and how about Onama doing

2659
02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:40,800
Speaker 2: the outa Sonya emoji afterwards?

2660
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't love that. I mean a great knockout

2661
02:00:43,080 --> 02:00:45,360
Speaker 1: by the way, great knockout, but then doing this shit

2662
02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:48,440
Speaker 1: like come on man, Yeah.

2663
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:50,480
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's it's you know, wow, that's a big

2664
02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:52,520
Speaker 2: win for him though. That's a nice finish, Luke, look.

2665
02:00:52,360 --> 02:00:54,480
Speaker 1: At that that upper cut, the uppercut was beautiful. The

2666
02:00:54,520 --> 02:00:56,920
Speaker 1: finish was great, like good for him. He looked awesome.

2667
02:00:56,960 --> 02:00:58,680
Speaker 1: This is a he's on a put together like a

2668
02:00:58,720 --> 02:01:01,480
Speaker 1: decent record now. But just taking the Izzy bit like

2669
02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:03,280
Speaker 1: it was. It was awesome when Izzy did it. But

2670
02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:05,880
Speaker 1: like you gotta, you gotta at a bare minimum, here's

2671
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:07,680
Speaker 1: my problem with it. At a bare minimum. He didn't

2672
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:10,520
Speaker 1: remix it. You gotta remix it a little bit, you know.

2673
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:13,240
Speaker 2: And if you can't think of anything to show your hog, Luke, right,

2674
02:01:14,200 --> 02:01:17,320
Speaker 2: just walk around like that, you know. All right? Hey, lightweights,

2675
02:01:17,320 --> 02:01:21,040
Speaker 2: Trevor Peak and Jose Mariscal, I must have butchered that.

2676
02:01:21,160 --> 02:01:23,720
Speaker 2: I must have you tweeted this out Look, they put

2677
02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:26,280
Speaker 2: on a striking clinic during this one sequence. Let's look

2678
02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:26,720
Speaker 2: in on it.

2679
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean, here's what I'm gonna say. Everyone's clowning this ship,

2680
02:01:30,160 --> 02:01:35,120
Speaker 1: and with good reason. This is massively better than Zuck

2681
02:01:35,240 --> 02:01:38,680
Speaker 1: versus Musk. I mean, just like kind.

2682
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:41,120
Speaker 2: Of look like Paiga Newness one or no or two.

2683
02:01:41,320 --> 02:01:44,600
Speaker 1: No, this is this is Spence versus Crawford in a

2684
02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:47,640
Speaker 1: world where Musk versus Zuck exists.

2685
02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:50,720
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not shitting on peaking Marskall because they

2686
02:01:50,760 --> 02:01:53,600
Speaker 2: did make this a fun ass fight. Here's a particularly

2687
02:01:53,640 --> 02:01:58,720
Speaker 2: fun sequence from it as well. Oh boy, God just

2688
02:01:59,440 --> 02:02:01,080
Speaker 2: bombs just.

2689
02:02:01,200 --> 02:02:03,720
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy, he's just wenting on toughness, you know,

2690
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:04,640
Speaker 1: God bless him.

2691
02:02:05,120 --> 02:02:07,120
Speaker 2: Hey, Trevor Peak to be all fair. I mean, this

2692
02:02:07,160 --> 02:02:09,200
Speaker 2: guy came from like meth and jail to get to

2693
02:02:09,240 --> 02:02:11,000
Speaker 2: this career, Luke, and you know he went out and

2694
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:12,480
Speaker 2: poured it out on Saturday.

2695
02:02:12,520 --> 02:02:14,760
Speaker 1: Listen. He gives you what he's got. You can't say that.

2696
02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean, look at him. He gives you what he's got.

2697
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:19,320
Speaker 1: It's just that, like, you know, it's hard to be like, hey,

2698
02:02:19,400 --> 02:02:20,760
Speaker 1: this is the place where the best fighters in the

2699
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:23,320
Speaker 1: world fight. It's like, well sometimes you know, well Luke.

2700
02:02:23,200 --> 02:02:26,080
Speaker 2: Real recognized real backstage and boy, were you happy to

2701
02:02:26,120 --> 02:02:29,400
Speaker 2: see this football or Sergio Ramos who set cage side

2702
02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:32,960
Speaker 2: just just loving on Tiporia dude.

2703
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I've said this before. You can make an

2704
02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:40,280
Speaker 1: argument that this is the most famous sporting, famous athlete

2705
02:02:41,120 --> 02:02:45,000
Speaker 1: who's ever attended a UFC fight ever.

2706
02:02:45,680 --> 02:02:46,600
Speaker 2: More than Jim Brown.

2707
02:02:46,640 --> 02:02:51,120
Speaker 1: At UFC one globally famous. Sergio Ramos is massively more

2708
02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:53,720
Speaker 1: famous than him. Massive people like what about Tom Brady

2709
02:02:53,960 --> 02:02:57,720
Speaker 1: one more time? Sergio Ramos is several orders of Magne.

2710
02:02:58,080 --> 02:02:59,880
Speaker 2: Mikey dropped Mike Tyson on us.

2711
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:02,400
Speaker 1: He's right, So Mike Tyson's an interesting one because here's

2712
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:05,000
Speaker 1: what I would say. I would actually agree, like we

2713
02:03:05,000 --> 02:03:07,160
Speaker 1: were kids in the eighties, dude, Mike Tyson was like

2714
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:10,280
Speaker 1: a fucking god. I mean, it's hard to like top

2715
02:03:10,360 --> 02:03:15,120
Speaker 1: what that meant so all time at his peak. Yes,

2716
02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:19,280
Speaker 1: I do think Mike Tyson was more popular today less

2717
02:03:19,320 --> 02:03:20,240
Speaker 1: so well.

2718
02:03:20,200 --> 02:03:23,960
Speaker 2: Luke Flyway, Joshua Van jammed all the buttons on the

2719
02:03:23,960 --> 02:03:28,360
Speaker 2: controller at the same time against zooma Goolov. Luke, look

2720
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:28,760
Speaker 2: at this.

2721
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:32,880
Speaker 1: Damn Zoomagolov's toughest shit, bro, I'll give him that. Look

2722
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:36,240
Speaker 1: at this boy, that hair just swinging in the wind.

2723
02:03:36,640 --> 02:03:38,320
Speaker 2: Did he throw both hands at the same time?

2724
02:03:38,440 --> 02:03:40,760
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just see that. You know, you know, dude,

2725
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:42,120
Speaker 1: you know who I was watching the other day who

2726
02:03:42,120 --> 02:03:45,080
Speaker 1: did that? Emmanuel Augustus. He would do one of these

2727
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:47,440
Speaker 1: punches at the same time in a boxing match like

2728
02:03:47,480 --> 02:03:48,480
Speaker 1: he was nuts.

2729
02:03:48,720 --> 02:03:50,440
Speaker 2: Do you remember Pacio did that to the side of

2730
02:03:50,720 --> 02:03:52,760
Speaker 2: Claude's head and he got worn by the referee in

2731
02:03:52,760 --> 02:03:53,440
Speaker 2: that awful fight.

2732
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about that. I've mostly put that fight

2733
02:03:56,160 --> 02:03:56,920
Speaker 1: out of my memory.

2734
02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:00,240
Speaker 2: Luke's Jack Jenkins had a big win. But how about

2735
02:04:00,280 --> 02:04:02,920
Speaker 2: his cornerman, Luke, is this the best haircut in UFC history?

2736
02:04:03,240 --> 02:04:05,120
Speaker 1: You know what? Fuck it? If you're gonna go ball,

2737
02:04:05,400 --> 02:04:06,800
Speaker 1: just have the worst haircut on earth.

2738
02:04:07,160 --> 02:04:10,440
Speaker 2: Just what do you call that? That's not a mullet.

2739
02:04:10,480 --> 02:04:11,080
Speaker 2: He doesn't have that.

2740
02:04:11,240 --> 02:04:13,080
Speaker 1: You put that one up again. Put that one up again, Like,

2741
02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy just fucks. That's what I know.

2742
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:19,720
Speaker 1: That's what I know. BC. He just has you know that?

2743
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:22,200
Speaker 2: Or he has a grosser search history than even you,

2744
02:04:22,280 --> 02:04:23,440
Speaker 2: which is probably.

2745
02:04:23,120 --> 02:04:24,480
Speaker 1: You know what he should do. He should shave his

2746
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:26,680
Speaker 1: balls in a similar way. Just have like one patch

2747
02:04:26,680 --> 02:04:28,040
Speaker 1: where all the hair comes out, you know.

2748
02:04:28,200 --> 02:04:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great wellness, check time, Luke. We do this

2749
02:04:31,320 --> 02:04:33,400
Speaker 2: up once in a while. Let's check it on Johnny Walker.

2750
02:04:34,120 --> 02:04:48,680
Speaker 3: No, uh, they looks like it looks like the comments

2751
02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:53,320
Speaker 3: whenever I tweet something very true the Unibros.

2752
02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:57,240
Speaker 2: They'd be a good tag team in WWF. Luke, that's great. Uh, Hey,

2753
02:04:57,560 --> 02:05:01,000
Speaker 2: Fat Joe made a large public declaration during the twenty

2754
02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:02,720
Speaker 2: twenty three NBA draft. Let's listen.

2755
02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:07,160
Speaker 1: In what player do you like most that's been drafted tonight? Anyways?

2756
02:05:07,200 --> 02:05:08,200
Speaker 2: Standa your mon is it went?

2757
02:05:08,680 --> 02:05:10,959
Speaker 3: I tell you that you I can't.

2758
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:13,240
Speaker 2: Go against one but yam and he is what he is, right,

2759
02:05:13,400 --> 02:05:14,080
Speaker 2: But I tell.

2760
02:05:13,960 --> 02:05:14,800
Speaker 1: You I like Dick.

2761
02:05:18,640 --> 02:05:20,200
Speaker 2: I mean who I mean, Luke?

2762
02:05:20,240 --> 02:05:23,120
Speaker 1: Who doesn't you know what good for good for Fat Joe?

2763
02:05:23,200 --> 02:05:25,120
Speaker 1: People should be allowed to be who they want to be,

2764
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:26,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying exactly.

2765
02:05:27,160 --> 02:05:29,000
Speaker 2: Shout out to Grady Dick of Kansas.

2766
02:05:29,120 --> 02:05:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was talking that dude, Yeah, the one the

2767
02:05:31,240 --> 02:05:33,160
Speaker 1: guy who has like the world's worst haircut and then

2768
02:05:33,160 --> 02:05:35,080
Speaker 1: the world's worst suit. But it seems like he's a cool,

2769
02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:35,920
Speaker 1: fun guy, you know.

2770
02:05:36,160 --> 02:05:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, a lot bit a very big dick in

2771
02:05:39,560 --> 02:05:41,800
Speaker 2: the in the NBA circle there coming in no doubt.

2772
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:44,160
Speaker 2: Shout out to Fat Joe though for coming clean. Luke,

2773
02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:47,320
Speaker 2: You've long told me that vapors are closers, right.

2774
02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:50,480
Speaker 1: Right, I guess yeah, coffin closers.

2775
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:54,760
Speaker 2: Here's New York Giants football head coach Briand Ball during

2776
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:56,160
Speaker 2: the Oh yeah.

2777
02:05:56,040 --> 02:06:00,240
Speaker 1: Bro, hell dude. First of all correct me. If I'm wrong.

2778
02:06:00,280 --> 02:06:02,760
Speaker 1: I know Mikey is our resident like actual Giants fan,

2779
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:05,120
Speaker 1: you rep them, but you're a bullshit Connecticut carpetbacker, so

2780
02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:07,040
Speaker 1: you don't count Nike.

2781
02:06:07,080 --> 02:06:09,200
Speaker 2: He's from Jersey, bitch, Mikey.

2782
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:11,120
Speaker 1: Mikey Creby. If I'm wrong, didn't this guy have like,

2783
02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:12,800
Speaker 1: not like obviously did him with a Super Bowl anything?

2784
02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:14,800
Speaker 1: But didn't Brian have like a really good first season

2785
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:16,960
Speaker 1: as a head coach? Like he he kind of had

2786
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:19,160
Speaker 1: a decent turnaround, did he? Yeah? I said a good year.

2787
02:06:19,360 --> 02:06:20,960
Speaker 1: My man had a good year and said give me

2788
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:23,920
Speaker 1: the vate pen. Hell yeah, high a ship.

2789
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:26,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's celebrate with a family barbecue, Luke, let's

2790
02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:31,600
Speaker 2: go to the backyard. This one's about to take a turn.

2791
02:06:31,680 --> 02:06:33,200
Speaker 1: This is gonna end real poorly. Here.

2792
02:06:36,640 --> 02:06:39,120
Speaker 2: Hey, honey, saved the canoli, please, I mean you saved

2793
02:06:39,120 --> 02:06:41,840
Speaker 2: the Hey one more time, one more time on this Mikey, Like,

2794
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:44,320
Speaker 2: my man has been smoking that probably for seven or

2795
02:06:44,360 --> 02:06:44,960
Speaker 2: eight hours.

2796
02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, here she comes. Does she know that there are

2797
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:48,560
Speaker 1: breaks on that thing?

2798
02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:51,320
Speaker 2: Does she know that I can also offer Luke, as

2799
02:06:51,400 --> 02:06:53,040
Speaker 2: much as this is a sad turn of events for

2800
02:06:53,080 --> 02:06:55,880
Speaker 2: any dad in the backyard, isn't like, you know, a

2801
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:57,600
Speaker 2: captain of a ship supposed to go down with it.

2802
02:06:57,600 --> 02:06:58,800
Speaker 2: That's what happened on the Titanic.

2803
02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:01,760
Speaker 1: Luke, right, I've seen they all got incineratid.

2804
02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, shouldn't shouldn't this guy have stayed the

2805
02:07:04,680 --> 02:07:07,000
Speaker 2: course and defended that. I mean he you know those

2806
02:07:07,120 --> 02:07:11,560
Speaker 2: those ribs were I mean, you know the sauce. I

2807
02:07:11,600 --> 02:07:13,680
Speaker 2: mean they're probably they're not They're done. They're done.

2808
02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:15,839
Speaker 1: They're just covered in gravel and piss.

2809
02:07:16,160 --> 02:07:19,120
Speaker 2: Hey. PFL six in Atlanta gave us some controversy in

2810
02:07:19,160 --> 02:07:22,520
Speaker 2: a really shitty fight. They also gave us some sick ko.

2811
02:07:22,720 --> 02:07:26,000
Speaker 2: So if you if you think we're PFL haters, we ain't.

2812
02:07:26,080 --> 02:07:29,640
Speaker 2: Let's go to reigning walterweight champion Sada bu C in

2813
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:31,280
Speaker 2: round three against Shane Mitchell.

2814
02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:38,680
Speaker 1: Amazing, perfectly placed, perfectly timed reset steps backwards, just a

2815
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:43,080
Speaker 1: wonderful shot from him. Won the season last season. Hard

2816
02:07:43,120 --> 02:07:44,120
Speaker 1: to root against that guy.

2817
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:46,200
Speaker 2: I think Terry Adam just rolled over in his grave

2818
02:07:46,280 --> 02:07:47,000
Speaker 2: watching that, Luke.

2819
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:49,160
Speaker 1: I think Terry still alive.

2820
02:07:49,560 --> 02:07:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know reputationally I'm talking about. Okay, right,

2821
02:07:53,000 --> 02:07:55,880
Speaker 2: let's go to walter Way Carlos Leal. He went club

2822
02:07:55,880 --> 02:07:58,720
Speaker 2: and against Delano Taylor in this all Brazil showdown.

2823
02:07:59,800 --> 02:08:01,560
Speaker 1: Oh did the old stank?

2824
02:08:02,840 --> 02:08:13,160
Speaker 4: Damn moms, dude, dude, jesus, you know the the smart way.

2825
02:08:13,240 --> 02:08:15,720
Speaker 1: This is not an all Brazil affair. See Taylor is

2826
02:08:15,720 --> 02:08:17,280
Speaker 1: from Jamaica.

2827
02:08:17,880 --> 02:08:20,560
Speaker 2: There we go. I racistly read that flag wrong. Sorry, Luke,

2828
02:08:20,600 --> 02:08:24,600
Speaker 2: Taylor not not from Brazil. Sorry, read that too fast.

2829
02:08:25,080 --> 02:08:29,280
Speaker 1: Don't you think oh red stripe, the famous beer of Rio.

2830
02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:30,000
Speaker 1: There you go.

2831
02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:35,200
Speaker 2: Don't you think though, that the smart cage should blink

2832
02:08:35,400 --> 02:08:38,080
Speaker 2: in red lights whenever the fight should be stopped when

2833
02:08:38,080 --> 02:08:40,320
Speaker 2: it's getting too gnarly, just so these referees, you.

2834
02:08:40,240 --> 02:08:42,400
Speaker 1: Know, why do you need referees if you've got an

2835
02:08:42,440 --> 02:08:43,440
Speaker 1: actual smart cage?

2836
02:08:43,480 --> 02:08:46,879
Speaker 2: Is really absolutely hey, let's shout out lightweight Clay Collared.

2837
02:08:46,920 --> 02:08:50,080
Speaker 2: He clinched a playoff spot with the second round stoppage

2838
02:08:50,360 --> 02:08:53,200
Speaker 2: of Stevie Ray. Luke, there has been a continuing good

2839
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:54,880
Speaker 2: story in combat sports.

2840
02:08:55,880 --> 02:08:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, not so much the destruction of Stevie Ray,

2841
02:08:58,360 --> 02:09:02,080
Speaker 1: who then retired following this. At your point, Clay Collared, who,

2842
02:09:02,080 --> 02:09:04,839
Speaker 1: by the way, I think Clay Collar is fighting Shane

2843
02:09:04,840 --> 02:09:07,600
Speaker 1: Burgos if memory serves from the seatings, which you know

2844
02:09:07,960 --> 02:09:10,760
Speaker 1: as a fight BC, you wouldn't complain about no, But

2845
02:09:11,720 --> 02:09:15,760
Speaker 1: Clay Collar had this, He washed out of UFC, had

2846
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:19,680
Speaker 1: this resurgence through the pandemic, through boxing, now goes back

2847
02:09:19,680 --> 02:09:23,160
Speaker 1: to MMA and is having the wins and the moments

2848
02:09:23,200 --> 02:09:28,680
Speaker 1: of his entire career. He is absolutely what everything PFL

2849
02:09:28,760 --> 02:09:30,200
Speaker 1: is supposed to stand for.

2850
02:09:30,840 --> 02:09:33,080
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, by the way, I got great shit the

2851
02:09:33,160 --> 02:09:34,800
Speaker 2: rest of the way. What have you seen this shit?

2852
02:09:34,880 --> 02:09:36,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you in real time, Luke, here we go.

2853
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:42,640
Speaker 2: Finally PFL gave us welterweight Magomed Magomed Karamov smearing David

2854
02:09:42,760 --> 02:09:45,240
Speaker 2: Zuwata across the smart cage in round one.

2855
02:09:46,480 --> 02:09:51,120
Speaker 1: Oh, just leapt into range and got him maca Med Karamov,

2856
02:09:51,120 --> 02:09:53,000
Speaker 1: by the way, one of the better fighters in PFL history.

2857
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:54,200
Speaker 1: He's good, He's really good.

2858
02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:57,920
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, he kind of looks like Magomed Magamedov, but

2859
02:09:57,960 --> 02:10:00,680
Speaker 2: that's not who he is, Luke, He's Magomed magam care Mov.

2860
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:02,760
Speaker 1: That's right. Don't you fucking forget it?

2861
02:10:03,120 --> 02:10:03,240
Speaker 2: All?

2862
02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:03,480
Speaker 1: Right?

2863
02:10:03,600 --> 02:10:05,640
Speaker 2: Hey, Luke, look, we can't we all can't wait for

2864
02:10:05,720 --> 02:10:08,280
Speaker 2: July twenty nine, Spence Crawford, you know, at showtime pay

2865
02:10:08,320 --> 02:10:10,960
Speaker 2: per view. But what the f kind of stretch was

2866
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:14,160
Speaker 2: Aerol Spence doing here? And does that make those two

2867
02:10:14,240 --> 02:10:15,320
Speaker 2: common law married?

2868
02:10:17,120 --> 02:10:19,320
Speaker 1: So this is how BC and I warm up for MK.

2869
02:10:21,960 --> 02:10:24,560
Speaker 2: I did see like the most cynical boxing fans quote,

2870
02:10:24,560 --> 02:10:27,920
Speaker 2: tweet that video and go Crawford TKO four sealed it.

2871
02:10:27,960 --> 02:10:28,640
Speaker 2: There it is Luke.

2872
02:10:28,680 --> 02:10:30,720
Speaker 1: There it is no. I mean, here's the thing. It's like, dude,

2873
02:10:31,160 --> 02:10:34,680
Speaker 1: is there a way to stretch with another man that

2874
02:10:34,920 --> 02:10:38,520
Speaker 1: is normal looking? You know what I mean? Like if

2875
02:10:38,520 --> 02:10:40,400
Speaker 1: you want to get actual physical stretch, like if you

2876
02:10:40,400 --> 02:10:42,760
Speaker 1: go even you go to a chiropractor, it's still weird

2877
02:10:42,800 --> 02:10:43,800
Speaker 1: ass positions, you know.

2878
02:10:44,400 --> 02:10:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's true. Let's go to the parenting

2879
02:10:47,600 --> 02:10:49,600
Speaker 2: move of the week. Let's head to the ballfield.

2880
02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:56,280
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Well it's Latin America.

2881
02:10:56,800 --> 02:10:59,040
Speaker 2: Look, that's the US of A. That's Major League Baseball

2882
02:10:59,120 --> 02:10:59,400
Speaker 2: right there.

2883
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:01,760
Speaker 1: Dude, I think I told you about this before, So

2884
02:11:01,800 --> 02:11:04,040
Speaker 1: I think I think the legal drinking age in Colombia

2885
02:11:04,080 --> 02:11:06,600
Speaker 1: is like eighteen something like maybe sixteen something like that.

2886
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:09,640
Speaker 1: But dude, I didn't realize this. So we had a

2887
02:11:09,680 --> 02:11:12,440
Speaker 1: party for one of her relatives, my wife's relatives, and

2888
02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:14,320
Speaker 1: we were down there. It was a birthday party. It

2889
02:11:14,320 --> 02:11:17,000
Speaker 1: was one of their birthday celebrations and we went to

2890
02:11:17,040 --> 02:11:20,200
Speaker 1: a bar and then a bunch of her family members

2891
02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:24,360
Speaker 1: brought their kids, and the kids are like thirteen, fourteen,

2892
02:11:24,440 --> 02:11:26,680
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how the fuck are they in this bar?

2893
02:11:26,920 --> 02:11:28,680
Speaker 1: So the way it works in Colombia is, yeah, you

2894
02:11:28,720 --> 02:11:30,080
Speaker 1: got to be eighteen, I guess to get into a

2895
02:11:30,080 --> 02:11:33,360
Speaker 1: club or something, although you know they get around that too,

2896
02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:36,000
Speaker 1: but if you show up with your parent to a bar,

2897
02:11:36,080 --> 02:11:38,240
Speaker 1: they'll just let you in and drink. So these fucking

2898
02:11:38,240 --> 02:11:41,760
Speaker 1: thirteen and fourteen year olds were boozing next to me,

2899
02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:44,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, dude, this is a this is a

2900
02:11:44,520 --> 02:11:47,480
Speaker 1: weird experience here, but they think it's normal.

2901
02:11:47,560 --> 02:11:51,280
Speaker 2: So all right, well there you go. We've always you know,

2902
02:11:51,920 --> 02:11:55,880
Speaker 2: look poort to John's. They're a lot like Regional Mma.

2903
02:11:55,960 --> 02:11:58,800
Speaker 2: They're gross as shit and anything can happen inside of them.

2904
02:11:58,840 --> 02:12:03,120
Speaker 1: True, I've seen abortions in Porta John's at heavy metal concerts,

2905
02:12:03,280 --> 02:12:04,440
Speaker 1: actual abortions.

2906
02:12:04,480 --> 02:12:07,160
Speaker 2: Conversation at the moment, thank you, But let's go over

2907
02:12:07,160 --> 02:12:09,440
Speaker 2: to the old Porta pot and see what happened here.

2908
02:12:30,360 --> 02:12:33,200
Speaker 1: That you should be you should be allowed to murder

2909
02:12:33,280 --> 02:12:33,960
Speaker 1: someone for that.

2910
02:12:34,360 --> 02:12:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was gonna say that. I don't know if

2911
02:12:36,280 --> 02:12:38,000
Speaker 2: I should have showed that on this show. Look, that's

2912
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:40,640
Speaker 2: some cruel ship. I hope no one copies that move.

2913
02:12:40,720 --> 02:12:44,520
Speaker 1: But that's uh just pushing cowering and someone's push them door.

2914
02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:48,040
Speaker 2: First down as the ultimate just oh my god.

2915
02:12:48,560 --> 02:12:50,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the door first bit. That's the one that

2916
02:12:50,800 --> 02:12:53,760
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, you know what. I don't even want

2917
02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:56,520
Speaker 1: to say it. I don't even want to. I don't

2918
02:12:56,520 --> 02:12:58,120
Speaker 1: want to get fired. I don't want to go the way.

2919
02:12:58,160 --> 02:13:00,000
Speaker 2: You don't end up covered in fecal materiy.

2920
02:13:00,240 --> 02:13:03,120
Speaker 1: There's not a chance, right Yeah, in your mouth, in

2921
02:13:03,160 --> 02:13:06,160
Speaker 1: your eyes, up your nose, in your ears. Yeah.

2922
02:13:06,200 --> 02:13:08,200
Speaker 2: We used to do different stunts like try to ride

2923
02:13:08,200 --> 02:13:10,320
Speaker 2: our bicycle down the stairs. You ever do that before, Luke?

2924
02:13:13,240 --> 02:13:15,560
Speaker 1: But I can't believe he's white, you see, it seems

2925
02:13:15,560 --> 02:13:18,000
Speaker 1: so uncharacteristic of him.

2926
02:13:18,240 --> 02:13:20,960
Speaker 2: Little frad house fun there for you, Hey, Luke, you

2927
02:13:21,000 --> 02:13:23,680
Speaker 2: know what people really want to play in this hashtag?

2928
02:13:23,800 --> 02:13:27,640
Speaker 2: Rate that tat. Let's bring in the resident tattoo expert.

2929
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:33,200
Speaker 2: Here is NBA champion Nicola djok brothers tattoo of his

2930
02:13:33,320 --> 02:13:35,080
Speaker 2: brother as the joker.

2931
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:41,640
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's not great.

2932
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:44,960
Speaker 2: Are you serious looks badass. What's wrong with that?

2933
02:13:45,480 --> 02:13:49,920
Speaker 1: Go back? Look at the flame on the card. It's

2934
02:13:49,920 --> 02:13:52,080
Speaker 1: a little bit mangled. It's a little hard to see.

2935
02:13:52,200 --> 02:13:54,520
Speaker 1: The hair on top. No, let me finish. The hair

2936
02:13:54,600 --> 02:13:58,680
Speaker 1: on top does not look really like hair all that much.

2937
02:13:58,760 --> 02:14:02,520
Speaker 1: The face is okay. The middle finger, look how big

2938
02:14:02,600 --> 02:14:04,600
Speaker 1: it is relative to the rest of the fingers, Like

2939
02:14:04,640 --> 02:14:07,400
Speaker 1: they're kind of mangled. The shady is a little bit

2940
02:14:07,440 --> 02:14:09,720
Speaker 1: all under the chin like there's a lot that's wrong

2941
02:14:09,720 --> 02:14:10,640
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, I think that.

2942
02:14:10,680 --> 02:14:12,880
Speaker 2: Was to size, Luke. He's like seven feet tall.

2943
02:14:12,920 --> 02:14:15,280
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's a little It's like I said, it's

2944
02:14:15,280 --> 02:14:16,800
Speaker 1: not terrible, but it's just okay.

2945
02:14:17,080 --> 02:14:18,600
Speaker 2: All right for our last one. I don't want you

2946
02:14:18,640 --> 02:14:20,840
Speaker 2: to rate the tat, but the technique. We never rate

2947
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:23,800
Speaker 2: the technique in mid tat, Luke, So tell me what

2948
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Speaker 2: you feel about this.

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02:14:26,640 --> 02:14:35,520
Speaker 1: Oh no, they're not What the fuck are you shitting?

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02:14:36,600 --> 02:14:38,840
Speaker 2: Degree of difficulty ten thousand, Luke.

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02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:45,480
Speaker 1: First of all, no helmet on these two idiots. I

2952
02:14:45,480 --> 02:14:47,840
Speaker 1: would say it's I would say it's Florida, BC. But

2953
02:14:47,880 --> 02:14:49,120
Speaker 1: the terrain doesn't look like it.

2954
02:14:49,760 --> 02:14:51,919
Speaker 2: Hey, the guy has gloves on. At least that's sanitary.

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02:14:52,440 --> 02:14:54,240
Speaker 1: This is gonna be the worst tattoo ever.

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02:14:56,600 --> 02:14:58,360
Speaker 2: You said you have a couple on your body that

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02:14:58,360 --> 02:14:59,840
Speaker 2: would look like this, like you've told me.

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02:14:59,800 --> 02:15:01,880
Speaker 1: That, I mean, not quite this bad. I mean I

2959
02:15:01,960 --> 02:15:04,400
Speaker 1: got some bad ones. But what the fuck is this?

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02:15:04,400 --> 02:15:06,600
Speaker 1: This is a drive by tattooing.

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02:15:06,560 --> 02:15:07,800
Speaker 2: Yes it is? What are your thoughts?

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02:15:07,880 --> 02:15:08,840
Speaker 1: Oh?

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02:15:08,920 --> 02:15:24,320
Speaker 2: My f ing god? All right, God, what I've seen

2964
02:15:24,400 --> 02:15:26,120
Speaker 2: UFC fighters with worst tatts than that.

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02:15:26,280 --> 02:15:28,520
Speaker 1: I definitely the worst tattoo I've ever seen.

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02:15:29,400 --> 02:15:32,040
Speaker 2: It's better than the damage they're in, the damage Elkins.

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02:15:32,120 --> 02:15:33,760
Speaker 2: Is that what that says across his chest? Luke?

2968
02:15:34,080 --> 02:15:36,400
Speaker 1: No, even that one is better than that piece of ship.

2969
02:15:36,520 --> 02:15:40,000
Speaker 1: That's the worst tattoo I've ever seen. Holy fuck.

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02:15:40,280 --> 02:15:42,960
Speaker 2: All right, hey, people have said, hey, we don't need

2971
02:15:43,040 --> 02:15:45,920
Speaker 2: more of BC your restroom fight of the week, So

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02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:48,320
Speaker 2: let's go over to the urinal Luke, look at this.

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02:15:48,320 --> 02:15:49,720
Speaker 2: This is great?

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02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:52,720
Speaker 1: What kao.

2975
02:15:54,240 --> 02:15:56,120
Speaker 2: Ko on?

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02:15:57,000 --> 02:16:03,280
Speaker 1: My man loses his left shoe. Watch my man has

2977
02:16:03,520 --> 02:16:06,879
Speaker 1: urinal cakes knocking this fool out of his shoes and socks.

2978
02:16:10,520 --> 02:16:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, t shirt of the week. Luke goes

2979
02:16:13,560 --> 02:16:14,520
Speaker 2: to this fisherman.

2980
02:16:17,240 --> 02:16:19,760
Speaker 1: The worst day of fishing beats the best day of

2981
02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:21,160
Speaker 1: withdrawing from Heroin and.

2982
02:16:26,400 --> 02:16:29,480
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's probably true. It's probably true.

2983
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:32,600
Speaker 1: Wow, you know what I woulven say that's wrong. I

2984
02:16:32,600 --> 02:16:33,320
Speaker 1: can't even say that.

2985
02:16:34,440 --> 02:16:37,080
Speaker 2: Luke. You ever had to your local grocer to the

2986
02:16:37,120 --> 02:16:40,440
Speaker 2: meat section and sometimes you're like, yo, what's going on here?

2987
02:16:41,360 --> 02:16:42,039
Speaker 2: Would you eat this?

2988
02:16:44,360 --> 02:16:47,480
Speaker 1: I'd eat this ship out of that?

2989
02:16:47,560 --> 02:16:48,800
Speaker 2: You in fat? Joe Luca?

2990
02:16:49,160 --> 02:16:49,200
Speaker 1: What?

2991
02:16:49,600 --> 02:16:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2992
02:16:50,760 --> 02:16:52,640
Speaker 1: After the NBA draft, we're gonna cook that out.

2993
02:16:52,680 --> 02:16:55,040
Speaker 2: Cook up some dick, all right, let's chick in on

2994
02:16:55,040 --> 02:16:57,359
Speaker 2: a bueila, Luke. It was her birthday over the weekend.

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02:16:57,959 --> 02:17:01,240
Speaker 1: It was oh god, oh good.

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02:17:02,720 --> 02:17:06,359
Speaker 2: Oh.

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02:17:07,040 --> 02:17:08,760
Speaker 1: First of all, why does she have the haircut of

2998
02:17:08,800 --> 02:17:10,240
Speaker 1: an e walk? That's what I want to know.

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02:17:10,640 --> 02:17:14,039
Speaker 2: Oh boy, uh Boyla, come on, come on, that was

3000
02:17:14,040 --> 02:17:16,120
Speaker 2: not taken at your house. I'm not being no, it

3001
02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:19,520
Speaker 2: was not, Luke. Is this next move genius or crazy?

3002
02:17:19,560 --> 02:17:24,039
Speaker 2: Because there's a thin line sometimes between that. Here's a

3003
02:17:24,040 --> 02:17:26,279
Speaker 2: fella on his way to a job interview with cargo

3004
02:17:26,320 --> 02:17:30,320
Speaker 2: shorts on and he's got Totino's pizza rolls filled in

3005
02:17:30,360 --> 02:17:31,879
Speaker 2: his cargo shorts.

3006
02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:36,920
Speaker 1: This gentleman deserves to be hit by cars.

3007
02:17:38,040 --> 02:17:39,960
Speaker 2: Now, Luke, I said, job interview. He could have been

3008
02:17:39,959 --> 02:17:41,760
Speaker 2: on his way to like a public restroom for all

3009
02:17:41,800 --> 02:17:42,040
Speaker 2: I know.

3010
02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:44,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, he just left a wah wah that he

3011
02:17:44,720 --> 02:17:46,520
Speaker 1: had shoplifted, which I support.

3012
02:17:46,800 --> 02:17:49,880
Speaker 2: But uh, Luke, people want to see more jokes. Here's

3013
02:17:49,879 --> 02:17:50,959
Speaker 2: your joke of the week from this.

3014
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:52,840
Speaker 1: Young boy, George Washington.

3015
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:57,240
Speaker 2: I bet he's like rock hard right now, dude, really.

3016
02:17:57,000 --> 02:17:58,199
Speaker 1: Gavin, how many times.

3017
02:18:01,640 --> 02:18:04,640
Speaker 2: It's so good? It's so good? All right?

3018
02:18:04,720 --> 02:18:06,560
Speaker 1: It was like Govin, How many times are we going

3019
02:18:06,600 --> 02:18:08,440
Speaker 1: to tell you to stop talking about in Rackshoti?

3020
02:18:10,360 --> 02:18:22,560
Speaker 2: Look? Does this make you harder? Flashed? Be honest? Wait,

3021
02:18:22,600 --> 02:18:23,760
Speaker 2: there's a good ending. Watch out.

3022
02:18:29,240 --> 02:18:30,960
Speaker 1: She makes me weep for her parents.

3023
02:18:31,240 --> 02:18:33,879
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, There you go. And Luke, if

3024
02:18:33,920 --> 02:18:36,280
Speaker 2: you didn't already need it, here's your reminder that soccer

3025
02:18:36,320 --> 02:18:39,600
Speaker 2: fans are the worst people in history. This is an

3026
02:18:39,680 --> 02:18:40,520
Speaker 2: Everton fan.

3027
02:18:46,360 --> 02:18:53,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god. The dirt bag toffees. Look at that's

3028
02:18:53,680 --> 02:18:56,640
Speaker 1: what they call themselves, the toffees. That's the slang anyway,

3029
02:18:56,720 --> 02:19:01,000
Speaker 1: or the you know, godly dude.

3030
02:19:01,240 --> 02:19:04,800
Speaker 2: People get on you for for bandwagoning that Spanish team.

3031
02:19:04,840 --> 02:19:07,480
Speaker 2: People get on aerial for bandwadding some Forest team. Luke,

3032
02:19:07,520 --> 02:19:08,160
Speaker 2: you know this team?

3033
02:19:08,760 --> 02:19:08,960
Speaker 1: No?

3034
02:19:09,680 --> 02:19:11,560
Speaker 2: Oh either? Do I Noddingham Forest?

3035
02:19:11,600 --> 02:19:13,720
Speaker 1: I don't know noting forest. Yeah, they're like a second

3036
02:19:13,800 --> 02:19:16,040
Speaker 1: or third division team or whatever. All right, all right,

3037
02:19:16,400 --> 02:19:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't keep up.

3038
02:19:18,840 --> 02:19:20,959
Speaker 2: Our final video of the week combines two of the

3039
02:19:20,959 --> 02:19:24,200
Speaker 2: best things about this segment, a neighborhood street fight and

3040
02:19:24,360 --> 02:19:28,960
Speaker 2: elder abuse. Let's go to chaos in this waterfront area.

3041
02:19:30,600 --> 02:19:32,760
Speaker 2: So this gentleman is trying to throw rocks through his

3042
02:19:32,800 --> 02:19:36,080
Speaker 2: neighbor's windows. He's so pissed off. Only one thing can

3043
02:19:36,120 --> 02:19:37,760
Speaker 2: save the neighborhood from this man, Luke, what do you

3044
02:19:37,800 --> 02:19:48,879
Speaker 2: think it is? God? Man, that's as salt, that's murder, dude.

3045
02:19:48,959 --> 02:19:51,160
Speaker 1: They ran over him like the Wicked Witch of the

3046
02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:53,880
Speaker 1: West in uh Wizard of oz Man.

3047
02:19:55,080 --> 02:19:58,080
Speaker 2: So the extended version of that video shows him throwing

3048
02:19:58,400 --> 02:20:00,840
Speaker 2: attempting to throw rocks through more ultiple houses.

3049
02:20:01,320 --> 02:20:02,959
Speaker 1: Is this some crazy guy in the neighborhood?

3050
02:20:03,320 --> 02:20:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he broke a window right there. I have

3051
02:20:05,040 --> 02:20:07,000
Speaker 2: no idea what the backstory is on this, but this

3052
02:20:07,000 --> 02:20:09,680
Speaker 2: guy saved the look at look at chub Rock. Just

3053
02:20:09,720 --> 02:20:12,359
Speaker 2: save the neighborhood, dude.

3054
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:14,879
Speaker 1: This fat fuck rolled up on this golf cart and

3055
02:20:15,040 --> 02:20:16,680
Speaker 1: was just like I was on the way to get

3056
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:22,760
Speaker 1: meatball subs and I just saw him in.

3057
02:20:20,959 --> 02:20:24,600
Speaker 2: My True Hero, Mikey said. The guy who was run

3058
02:20:24,600 --> 02:20:27,439
Speaker 2: over was saying, please let me out. I'm done underneath

3059
02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:27,959
Speaker 2: the back door.

3060
02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:30,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, bet you fucker, you're underneath the golf.

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02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:33,520
Speaker 2: Cart he is. Thank you, Mikey. More mile for CBS

3062
02:20:33,560 --> 02:20:36,000
Speaker 2: for compiling all that shit. That's that's what I got

3063
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:36,440
Speaker 2: for the week.

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02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:38,480
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I have a phone call in seven minutes,

3065
02:20:38,480 --> 02:20:41,440
Speaker 1: so I have to go. So BC, let's remind everyone

3066
02:20:41,560 --> 02:20:43,600
Speaker 1: thank you for watching today. We greatly appreciate it. Thanks

3067
02:20:43,600 --> 02:20:45,840
Speaker 1: to everyone who tuned in on Saturday's broadcast. Again, we'll

3068
02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:49,400
Speaker 1: be on that July eighth broadcast before UFC two nineties,

3069
02:20:49,400 --> 02:20:50,840
Speaker 1: so you can catch everything all at the same time.

3070
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:52,959
Speaker 1: Let's see let's keep going here for just a second.

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02:20:53,200 --> 02:20:55,280
Speaker 1: Showtime dot Com is the label that page Showtime dot

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Speaker 1: Com get a thirty day free trophy like you can

3073
02:20:56,920 --> 02:20:58,720
Speaker 1: keep it. If not, you're welcome to bounce. You can

3074
02:20:58,760 --> 02:21:02,279
Speaker 1: go fuck yourself. Let's see Morningcombat dot Store, which which

3075
02:21:02,720 --> 02:21:05,080
Speaker 1: which might be turning around here a little bit. So yeah,

3076
02:21:05,080 --> 02:21:07,280
Speaker 1: the good news. And then, of course, most importantly but

3077
02:21:07,360 --> 02:21:10,480
Speaker 1: not to forget Morning Coombat at gmail dot com to

3078
02:21:10,720 --> 02:21:12,840
Speaker 1: in fact reach the show b see any final thoughts

3079
02:21:12,840 --> 02:21:13,800
Speaker 1: before we take us out here.

3080
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:16,360
Speaker 2: Do you think that Zoe the cat or my wife's

3081
02:21:16,400 --> 02:21:18,600
Speaker 2: dog Sasha was the MVP of this episode?

3082
02:21:21,280 --> 02:21:26,640
Speaker 1: Zoe, Yeah, Zoe, bitch? All right.

3083
02:21:26,920 --> 02:21:30,720
Speaker 2: Oh that's Brian Campbell today today Russell and Heather Luke

3084
02:21:30,760 --> 02:21:32,520
Speaker 2: from Georgia. I remember they got married by Elvis and

3085
02:21:32,520 --> 02:21:35,800
Speaker 2: they brought him kids. Today is their two year anniversary

3086
02:21:35,959 --> 02:21:38,400
Speaker 2: in Georgia. Congrat congrats folks.

3087
02:21:38,840 --> 02:21:41,560
Speaker 1: Congrats to them. We appreciate their patronage and it's a

3088
02:21:41,560 --> 02:21:43,720
Speaker 1: big day for them. All right. That's Brian Campbell. I'm

3089
02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:45,280
Speaker 1: Luke Thomas. Thanks to Mickey Morms on the Ones and

3090
02:21:45,320 --> 02:21:47,360
Speaker 1: twos for helping us out today and doing a great job.

3091
02:21:47,640 --> 02:21:49,520
Speaker 1: We are done for the day. We'll see you Wednesday,

3092
02:21:49,560 --> 02:21:52,279
Speaker 1: and until then, may all of your gains be loyal.