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Speaker 2: part of the volume. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout with

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Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles. He does the Three and Out podcast

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Speaker 2: team joins me every Sunday night for an hour, and

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Speaker 2: we just watched Michigan throttle Washington thirty four to thirteen.

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Speaker 2: I was pulling, you know, for Washington for reasons because

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Speaker 2: John had a lot of money on it and I

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Speaker 2: am from the Pacific Northwest. But I had said with

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Speaker 2: John and on FS one and Fox Sports Radio, I

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Speaker 2: thought Michigan really matched up with Washington. Well, I thought

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Speaker 2: their secondary would clamp down, they'd get a pass rush.

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Speaker 2: You saw it tonight. Recruiting does matter, and Michigan recruits

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Speaker 2: at a higher level.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: One of the limitations for Washington has always been they

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Speaker 2: are geographically jammed up in the corner Washington, Oregon, Idaho

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Speaker 2: do not have a lot of Division one players. They

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Speaker 2: have to convince kids to come up to the rainy weather.

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Speaker 2: Michigan more centrally located, you know, and sometimes it's a

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Speaker 2: little bit easier in the region they're into recruit I mean,

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Speaker 2: Oregon and Washington play at a very high level and

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Speaker 2: sort of overcomes some recruiting disadvantages. Nil certainly helps Oregon

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Speaker 2: because of Phil Knight and his backing. But my takeaway

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Speaker 2: to start this game was that listen, Michigan felt they

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Speaker 2: on the run. Washington was aggressive defensively got burned, but

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Speaker 2: I think in the end, Washington averaged four yards of

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Speaker 2: Washington's firepower. Washington has thrown the ball on everybody for

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Speaker 2: two years, and Michigan's corners pass rush just took it away.

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Speaker 2: And then you had a very limited Michael Pennix who

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Speaker 2: never great all season. I just I kind of felt

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Speaker 3: I mean, that guard center combination was getting shoved around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was. As I was watching the game,

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Speaker 3: And the one thing Jim Harbaugh has always done and

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Speaker 2: but he doesn't feel like a top six seven pick.

429
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Speaker 2: So okay, so we we both sort of agree. I

430
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: think we both agree. Harbaugh's off to the NFL. I

431
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Speaker 2: think you've convinced me Washington could have a slight edge,

432
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 2: you know, in that division. It's interesting too. So in

433
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 2: that division, I mean you got to think about everything.

434
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 2: Although Harball wouldn't probably spend much time on this. Mike McCarthy,

435
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni.

436
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 3: Right defensive coordinator, just quit.

437
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 2: I saw Waite Martindale.

438
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 3: The Giants have a lot of issues, I was told

439
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 3: and I said this on the pod a month and

440
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 3: a half ago. The coaches didn't like him, and I

441
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 3: thought Dave was really good last year, but they have

442
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 3: had a lot of strife internally, and there was a

443
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: lot of talk everything's fine, everything's fine. Well, one of

444
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 3: the best assets on the coaching staff was like, I'm

445
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 3: out Quit, which is not normal. I mean, that's a

446
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 3: huge red flag. He wasn't fired. He said I want out,

447
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 3: you know. So the day Ball situation, let's face it, offensively,

448
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 3: they haven't really been explosive. Their tied to Daniel Jones,

449
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 3: and now they lose their defensive coordinator. They've been excellent

450
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 3: on defense. I mean last year they made the playoffs

451
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Speaker 3: because it's not like they were scoring a lot of points.

452
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Speaker 3: So I would say the Giants are very, very influx.

453
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 3: The Eagles know, we've never seen a ten to one

454
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 3: team leak oil like them and the Cowboys. You can

455
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 3: feel the pressure building right every playoff game if something

456
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 3: gets weird. Jerry's getting older, is liable to do something crazy,

457
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 3: even he didn't really give him the ringing endorsement going

458
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Speaker 3: into the playoffs, right, We'll see what happens. So I yeah,

459
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Speaker 3: I think Washington. I still think the Raiders are You know,

460
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 3: the history of football means something to Jim. You know,

461
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Speaker 3: you get a a blank slate, like you said, the

462
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 3: Chargers isn't necessarily a blank slate. You get Herbert, But

463
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 3: there is a lot of other stuff going on.

464
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Speaker 2: And they have some cap space issues. You've got to

465
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Speaker 2: move off some people there. Washington has got the most

466
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Speaker 2: cap space. There's a romance about the Raiders. I just

467
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: seen so many coaches fail there after a while, it

468
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 2: feels like there's a systemic problem beyond just like the

469
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: helmet and the logo like Mark Davis is one of

470
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Speaker 2: the poorest owners, and it's you know, they've made some

471
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: bad decisions on personnel, head coaching GM. So I think

472
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Speaker 2: i'd pass on that.

473
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would too. I just think Jim's crazy enough

474
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Speaker 3: to be to be connected there, which I believe, and

475
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Speaker 3: I think it's fair to say it would shock me

476
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Speaker 3: if he doesn't even pick up David Tepper's call at

477
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Speaker 3: this point. That organization's got a lot of issues, a

478
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 3: lot of questions, and it doesn't really feel like Bryce

479
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 3: Young would be I mean, Jim would have him by

480
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 3: about five inches and forty five pounds, so it doesn't

481
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Speaker 3: seem like he'd be that interesting. Did in that quarterback?

482
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Speaker 2: Let's spend five minutes on this. So the playoff bracket

483
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: is out. I don't we don't need to go game

484
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: by game, but I do think it's interesting. The game

485
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: that really jumps out to me is the Rams against

486
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Speaker 2: the Lions. Sam Laporta is hurt, the remarkable rookie tight

487
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: end for Detroit. You know, I went through I went

488
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 2: through coaching is so valuable. I went through the Rams

489
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Speaker 2: and the Lions today on the show, and I kind

490
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Speaker 2: of I wrote down things that matter head coach. RAMS advantage,

491
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: quarterback RAMS advantage. I like their wide receivers, Pooka and Cooper.

492
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Speaker 2: Wide receiver advantage. If Laporta is out, tight end advantage.

493
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Speaker 2: O line advantage, especially left tackle. It's Detroit, but PFF

494
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 2: has the Rams. It's like the tenth best offensive line

495
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: and they're pretty good left guard over to the right tackle.

496
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: The Jackson's an undrafted left tackle. He's serviceable, he's not great.

497
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 2: They're going to draft to tackle very early. I've been

498
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: told in the draft. You know, my gut feeling on

499
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: that is the Lions should win the game. But you

500
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: talked about the injury report. Dan Campbell said today there's

501
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 2: an outside shot Laporta plays. I know tight ends don't

502
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 2: drive lines in Vegas, but I felt like without Laporta,

503
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Speaker 2: I I mean, here's the thing. The Rams weakness. They

504
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: leak on the back end of the secondary. Well, nobody

505
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 2: leaks like the Lions. So I just I don't know,

506
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 2: I just I found myself today the more I looked

507
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: at that injury report, I'm like, God's that could be

508
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: a bit of a coaching mismatch.

509
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Speaker 3: I also think these playoff games, you know the way

510
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 3: the it's one and done. All of a sudden, the

511
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 3: Rams you're up seventeen to ten. That place gets tight.

512
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: Dan Campbell gets tighted, he gets a little over aggressive.

513
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 3: Sometimes you can see that thing unraveling. The other thing

514
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: what gets with Jared Goff pressure. Now he's a much

515
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 3: better quarterback in a dome, in a controlled environment, no weather.

516
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: But if they can hit him, and what are the Rams,

517
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: you know Aaron Donald's gonna be bringing it. The young

518
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 3: pass rusher they drafted in the mid rounds from Wake

519
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: Forest is pretty good, so they can get Raheem Morris

520
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 3: is you know a guy that's gonna be interviewing all

521
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 3: over the league. He's a really good defensive coordinator. That

522
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 3: Laporte injury, He's not Rob Gronkowski or he can play

523
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 3: at seventy percent like as an inline blocker. He's an

524
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 3: athletic at He's a Kelsey type. So that that is

525
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 3: a devastating injury for them because to me, if they

526
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Speaker 3: were fully healthy, you go listen, the Rams probably top

527
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: to bottom have a little or excuse me, the Lions

528
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 3: have more talent. Yeah, this guy is an elite player.

529
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: I mean he is a premium tied end. That's a

530
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 3: devastating injury. So I gotta go with McVeigh and the Rams,

531
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Speaker 3: which is sad because the Lions have had a remarkable

532
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: Season's only a second time in ninety years, Colin. They've

533
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: won twelve games. I mean, Niners won twelve games like

534
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: five times in the last decade. They've won it twice

535
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Speaker 3: in ninety years.

536
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do think to your point. I mean McVeigh,

537
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: I mean, the Packers in Houston are playing with house

538
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: money because they got in. But I mean this was

539
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: a rebuild year for McVeigh, so they're going to come

540
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: in with a ton of energy. I mean, you know,

541
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: it's interesting if you go look at the Rams season.

542
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: The most impressive moment to me, Baltimore's off a buy

543
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: early start East Coast. They go out there and outplay

544
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: them and their leaky special teams lose the game. I

545
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: watched Baltimore crush the Niners, crush Miami, crush Seattle, crush Detroit,

546
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: and then I watch the Rams go out there and

547
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: line up with them physically, and it's like, Okay, that's

548
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: not an illusion that they're that lost to Baltimore. I

549
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: remember after that game I'm thinking, oh, this is all real,

550
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: this is absolutely real. And then you know, a couple

551
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: of weeks later, Baltimore hammers the Niners. It happens occasionally

552
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: where you'll playoff run and you'll go back and go,

553
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: oh god, yeah, of course. And I look at that

554
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: Rams lost to Baltimore and I think, just look who

555
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 2: Baltimore has man handled in the last two months.

556
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: Well, the Rams have a quarterback that, when he's on

557
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 3: is can go toe to toe with Mahomes Josh Allen Lamar, Right,

558
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: forty nine ers can't say that, right, that he's not

559
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 3: that talented and Matt Stafford in that game the rain

560
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 3: was pumping and it was pouring on and he was elite.

561
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 3: The other thing is their wide receivers are really physical

562
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 3: a lot like forty nine ers. They're willing to go

563
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 3: over the middle, take hits, they break tackles, and it

564
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: was on full display. I mean, Pooka is truly one

565
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 3: of the better rookie stories in recent memory. I mean,

566
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: he is a he's an elite player. So if they

567
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: beat you know, the Lions, then they would play the

568
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers, assuming the Packers lose. Now I would

569
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: take I would pick the forty nine ers going into

570
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: that game. But the Rams are gonna feel comfortable a

571
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: team that they've seen a lot, that they've beat before.

572
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: In a massive game, there'd be a lot of pressure,

573
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: you know, the Niners would be favor but they would

574
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: have a ton of momentum going into that game because

575
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: they've had to keep playing, right Hell, they just they

576
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: rolled out Wentz, who the they resurrected from the dead

577
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 3: so that they have. It's cool to see that Sean,

578
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: you know, turned down that money he belongs in coaching.

579
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: Clearly he's reinvigorated now saying I'm coming back for twenty four.

580
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: He's on a year to year basis, but he's got

581
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 3: to feel pretty good about his squad headed in the playoffs.

582
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: And let's face it, if they just win a playoff

583
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: game on the road, What a remarkable season from Sean McVay.

584
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: Because we all define guys over their championship years, but really,

585
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: you build a resume like Andy Reid build a resume

586
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: for fifteen years every year going to the playoffs, winning

587
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: games when guys were hurt, when he had to go

588
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: with the backup quarterback. What Sean McVay has done this

589
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: year with random young guys and some of his old

590
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: core guys. Is one of the better stories of the year.

591
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you know that's the thing as

592
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: again Michigan Thump's Washington and I look at Harball who

593
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: is and Jed Fish was on my show today, the

594
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: Arizona coach, and he said, Yeah, the most competitive coach

595
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: I've ever worked with. I think Jim. I think John

596
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: Harbaugh he wants to face McVeigh, he wants to face

597
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: Andy Reid. He may not want to face his brother,

598
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: but I mean he's proven. Ryan Day is considered an

599
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: elite college coach, and Jim's got his way with him right.

600
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: Kaylin de Boor is considered the best young coach in

601
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: college football. Jim completely stifled their game plan with an

602
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: NFL receiver and three NFL NFL quarterback, three NFL receivers.

603
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: I think Jim looks around college football and thinks, Okay,

604
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Speaker 2: I've beat Saban this year. I own Ryan Day, Kaylin

605
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: de Boor whatever. He's a competitive guy. John. I think

606
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: he wants he wants to go after McVeigh. He proved

607
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: he can beat Pete Carroll. He wants to go after

608
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: Andy Reid. McVeigh and I if you're competitive, I think

609
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: it's the next logical step. He's proved, I mean, God,

610
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: and just what fitting way Saban check the rising star,

611
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: Kailin de Board check, Ryan Day check. Like it's just perfect.

612
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: And let's face it, in the Big Ten, even with

613
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: these teams coming in half his games, he's the heavy

614
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 3: favorite in him and it's just not the same. I mean,

615
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: he's up twenty five to nothing and a half over

616
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 3: the majority of the Big Ten opponents. In the NFL,

617
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: I don't care who you're playing. You could play a

618
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: random five win team on a given. You played the

619
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 3: Arizona Cardinals this year down the stretch, you got a

620
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: tough game. So the level of competition is clearly so

621
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: much higher in the NFL, and the coaching from an

622
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 3: intellectual level, it's less about the motivation and more outthinking you,

623
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: more out scheming, you, more putting players, making personnel moves.

624
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: And let's face it, Jim thrived at that with the

625
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: forty nine ers, I mean really did. His disastrous year

626
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: was eight and eight. You know, people like, oh, you

627
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: got run out of town. It wasn't that bad. How

628
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: many coaches this year would have died to go eight

629
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: and eight. So Jim's ceiling, or excuse me, his floor

630
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: is just so high. And I'm telling you his ability

631
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: to build a coaching staff because he knows he's not

632
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 3: mister scheme guy like his brother, and what do they

633
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 3: hang their hat on having the best in the brightest

634
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 3: and they do a good job. We talked about this

635
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: with Belichick being so insulated with only the guys he's

636
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: known from when they were twenty two. They will take

637
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: young guys who maybe are thirty or thirty that have

638
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: been somewhere else and then mold them. He did it

639
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: with Jed Fish, He's done it with Sharon Moore. He's

640
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Speaker 3: doing it now with Mentor Harbaugh's the same way, and

641
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Speaker 3: they develop coaches really, really well. I think how many

642
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: guys get jobs like this is the difference between like

643
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: I've always said about Andy Reid, Belichick, all his assistants

644
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: go on and have some semblance of a success. A

645
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Speaker 3: lot of them have a lot of success, and it's

646
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: because he's open minded to bringing guys on. Same thing

647
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Speaker 3: with the Harbob brothers. They're willing to talk and meet

648
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 3: with anyone, not just because well, you didn't work in

649
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: this system. Well are you good coach? But do do

650
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: you have qualities that I like? And I think Jim

651
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: I would look for his coaching staff. Like if you

652
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: told me next year, whatever job he has, that team's

653
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: obviously had a bad year previously, they're immediately competitive. I

654
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: believe I'd bet on it. I hammered the over of

655
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Speaker 3: whoever he dakes. I'll tell you that.

656
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Speaker 2: Well that so the parent, the parents issue the you know,

657
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: close to John.

658
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: And they're clearly getting older, right.

659
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: Absolute getting older doesn't have to face his brother. And

660
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: if you look at the NFC right now, there's not

661
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: a lot of great young quarterbacks. I mean no, Jim.

662
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: Jim looks out there and sees Josh Allen and Mahomes

663
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Speaker 2: and Burrow and Lamar. You look over the NFC, I

664
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Speaker 2: mean it's it's I mean, Stafford's great, but he's got

665
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Speaker 2: probably two great years.

666
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: Left after five years old.

667
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Speaker 2: It's it's a lot of you know, it could be

668
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Speaker 2: really I mean, if he gets one of the two,

669
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Speaker 2: he gets Drake, may somebody else in the NFC gets

670
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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. For all we know, for the next five years,

671
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Speaker 2: those are the two best young quarterbacks in the NFC

672
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Speaker 2: next year, this year's draft, it's going to be a

673
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Speaker 2: great class, or you know in twenty twenty four, the

674
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Speaker 2: following year is not supposed to be as good. It's

675
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Speaker 2: kind of a it's a bit of a dip yere

676
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Speaker 2: So huh, I'm just congrass the Michigan.

677
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Speaker 3: Who would you like more if I told you that

678
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Speaker 3: Drake May go's a Hardbaugh in Washington and Caleb goes

679
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 3: with eber Flus and Getze in Chicago. Who do you

680
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: think is better? Right away? I'd probably bet on Drake

681
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: May having more success immediately because.

682
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Speaker 2: Certainly in year one, Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, in

683
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: year one it would be Drake May and I do

684
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Speaker 2: I think. I don't think it could be. Underscore is that,

685
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: you know, Sam Howe will lets you you're gonna be

686
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: no pressure year one, right, You're gonna get to make

687
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: any money, doesn't matter. But it also allows you to

688
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: go into camp with a pro. And again, Sam Howe

689
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 2: with Ron Rivera is not Sam Howe with Jim Hardbaugh.

690
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: He's going to be a better version, the best version

691
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Speaker 2: of himself. And you know, Jim, I could see him

692
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 2: playing him till mid up mid November, around Thanksgiving and say, Okay,

693
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: we're not gonna win the Super Bowl here, all right, kid,

694
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Speaker 2: We've shored up the old line. You got some protection.

695
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 2: Washington's got receivers, a couple backs.

696
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Speaker 3: I like.

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00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: There's a lot about Washington. You know, I watched Washington

698
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: a couple times earlier this year. I think they beat

699
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: at Denver, They've played with Philadelphia, and I'm like, they

700
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: just need a better quarterback and a better coach. Like

701
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: I was talking on the Seattle radio station this morning,

702
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 2: I said, if if you gave Pete Carroll right now,

703
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen with that roster, you're going to

704
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 2: the super Bowl. It's like you get the quarterback right.

705
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 2: It's amazing how it just it just erases your flaws.

706
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I still contend after Stefan Diggs, Buffalo's offense

707
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: is not that talented. No, you watch it with Josh.

708
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: You watch it with Josh there like, what a big

709
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Speaker 2: play offense.

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Speaker 3: This is totally I'm just glad. Jim. I remember as

711
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: a kid, you know, I grew up around a lot

712
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: of Joe Montana lifers, and they always kind of I

713
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: felt had it out for Steve and you could feel

714
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 3: it when they finally got the monkey off his back

715
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 3: and Gary Plummer and he won that Super Bowl because

716
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 3: he was a chainampionship level player and it just took

717
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 3: him a little longer. To me, Jim Harbaugh has been

718
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 3: a championship level coach, you know, just didn't happen at

719
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 3: forty eight years old, but it happened at sixty. And

720
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: I'm just glad people don't talk to him about him

721
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: as a guy. Andy Reid was that way for a

722
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: long time. It's like, do you watch this guy coach?

723
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: I mean, he's better than ninety eight percent of coaches. Ever,

724
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: it's like he's gonna be He's gonna get over the hump.

725
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 3: And now Jim has a chance if he goes to

726
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 3: the pros to you know, join a small company of

727
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: guys that have won on both levels. Right, That's that's

728
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 3: a pretty special group to be sitting at the table.

729
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: With John Middlecow, former NFL scout. He's got a podcast

730
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Speaker 2: three and out, so valuable to our podcast company, the

731
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Speaker 2: volume which is just smoking. Shannon Sharp, John Jason Timp,

732
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Speaker 2: Draymond Green. We've got just five twenties, a new one.

733
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Speaker 2: Daniel Cormier, The Fantasy pros love where we're at.

734
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Speaker 3: Just when are you gonna have Kat Williams on your podcast?

735
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Speaker 2: Yeah know that thing?

736
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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

737
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Speaker 2: I had people come up to me that I didn't

738
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: even I didn't even I mean I got people that

739
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: went to the Volume in the last week that I

740
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: don't even think they knew what the Volume was like

741
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: a week ago.

742
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Speaker 3: It's just crazy.

743
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: Shannon's been such a you know, we're very lucky. We

744
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: just signed Raymond Green, and you know, it's it's we

745
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: can talk about this because that's what the podcast is for.

746
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: Social media has really created an environment. It's an avalanche

747
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: and everybody wants to jump on the avalanche and bury people,

748
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: but nobody wants to grab a shovel and help people

749
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: that have been rolled over in the avalanche. And when

750
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: Draymond Green it is He told the story today and

751
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: it's absolutely true. We were in his house getting ready

752
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: to sign the comp We were negotiating the contract for

753
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: over a year. We were in his house. My staff

754
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: was when Adam silvercalled and suspended him. We're in his

755
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: house and we said, hey man, you want us to

756
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: announce it today that you signed with the Volume. We're

757
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: not going to we got our shovels here, man, don't worry.

758
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: We got your back. And I'll get pushed back for that,

759
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: which I could couldn't give a rip. But the point

760
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: being is we live in this world now where if

761
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: something goes sideway, somebody steps in it, you me, Draymond.

762
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: And Draymond's the first to admit, I mean, I had

763
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: to get some help. You know, I was really wrong.

764
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: I did something really inappropriate that I'm this is a

765
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: talent first company because I've been on the air for

766
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: thirty years, and it's like we all step in it.

767
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: I'm not we all step in it. Draymond's incredibly coachable,

768
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: and he also acknowledges I'm made a huge mistake. I apologize.

769
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Speaker 2: So I love having him. People wouldn't have believed. I'm

770
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: glad Draymond told the story. People would not have believed

771
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 2: that we were in his damn house and Adam calls

772
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: and says, you're suspended, and he's like, oh brother, and

773
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: we're like, we got your back, man, don't worry about it,

774
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: we understand it. Listen. And the other thing I've always said,

775
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 2: you know, this is a warrior guy. So in hockey,

776
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: if you have a great player. Look at look at Gretzky.

777
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: You have a you have a protector. You've got somebody

778
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: that's on the ice. They're somewhere getting his getting on,

779
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: maybe the beer or the sea line, but somebody around

780
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: to protect him. Most great teams have a physical presence.

781
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: The Pistons had several. If you took Draymon out of

782
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: the Warriors, and Steve Kerr has told a friend of

783
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: mine who had covered the team, Draymond's so elevated practice,

784
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: Like this team got you know, baskets came so easy

785
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: for the Warriors and the Dynasty. They could get a little,

786
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: a little sloppy. You know, there's there was sort of

787
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: a globe trotter element to this team behind the backs.

788
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: You're like, when points come easy, it's different if you're

789
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: a team that's built on defense, When you're a team

790
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: built on threes, points come easy. That Draymond was such

791
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: a catalystic practice to stay on guys ass that her.

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Speaker 2: You know he was there. He's like I've been with Michael.

793
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: Like Michael, when you start winning these titles one after another.

794
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: Michael held everybody accountable on a Tuesday practice against the

795
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: bad Denver team, and so you know, it's easy to

796
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: dump on Draymond, but outside of staff, he's the soul

797
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: of that franchise.

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Speaker 1: Sports sometimes needs to have a little crazy, you know.

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Speaker 1: You know this is not pee wee sports that this

800
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Speaker 1: is not your typical office setting in an insurance company.

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Speaker 1: I remember talking to John Lynch one time and I said,

802
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Speaker 1: do you think they would have kicked you out of

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Speaker 1: the NFL.

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Speaker 3: This is a guy that's viewed as like super high character,

805
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: mister president. Everyone loves him. He used to kill people.

806
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: I mean he couldn't play today. And the sports that

807
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: I grew up on fights left and right in baseball,

808
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just this isn't I think sometimes social

809
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: media magnifies this stuff. Now, let's Draymond. The hit in

810
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 3: the Phoenix game was obviously over the top, But like

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Speaker 3: the NBA I grew up on, I mean, they were

812
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 3: all out brawls all the time. Just google basket in

813
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: the nineties, not that long ago, and that was celebrated.

814
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 3: You needed those guys. Not everyone could be Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 3: Not everyone can be Barry Sanders. That is part of

816
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 3: the deal. I think sometimes a lot of people try

817
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: to input their own situation in their own life in

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00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 3: the sporting world, and it's just completely different. You don't

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00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: get you don't get mf'd by your boss on a

820
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: daily basis like you do from a coach in sports.

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Speaker 3: So it's I like to have some crazy guys on

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Speaker 3: my team, whether it's a podcast network or whether it's

823
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Speaker 3: on my sport team.

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Speaker 2: So good stuff. We knocked out about forty five minutes.

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Speaker 2: John Middelcoff. Listen to him at the Volume three and

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Speaker 2: out appreciate it. John Nick writes on the show, I'm

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Speaker 2: talking to him tomorrow, so that'll be released Tuesday night

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Speaker 2: and Wednesday morning. And thanks everybody for hanging with us.

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Speaker 2: Michigan thirty four to thirteen earned earn that championship. Our

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Speaker 2: guests Harbod Jettison's college off to the NFL if he

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Speaker 2: comes back. Don't have a problem with that either. He's

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Speaker 2: great for college football. John, we'll talk soon.

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Speaker 3: Seek the volume