Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me, I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,
Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy
Speaker 1: for Dake Edith State. Is that woo woom? And then
Speaker 1: and Tye.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Solid Rebel boys and girls. My
Speaker 2: name is ty hilden Brandt, joining me as always over
Speaker 2: there beautiful Chicago, Illinois. Dan Rubinstein, sir, how are you.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good. I'm excited to nibble at the bones
Speaker 1: of the college football off season. I don't juicy wings.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm going with that, but I'm
Speaker 1: very excited for this episode. There are there's a really
Speaker 1: nice thematic crossover that we have going on with today
Speaker 1: shows that I'm particularly proud of. Yeah, So, as we've
Speaker 1: mentioned here before, you are turning forty in the fall
Speaker 1: in the fall, correct fall, late Paul, Thank you, by
Speaker 1: the way, thank you for reminding me of this simple
Speaker 1: fact I had forgotten.
Speaker 2: Several times so far this year. Thank you for reminding
Speaker 2: me your true friend.
Speaker 1: Of course. Of course, Well, first of all, you don't
Speaker 1: look forty. You look like you're in your early to
Speaker 1: mid thirties, like I am. And whoa wa wait early
Speaker 1: to mid thirties. Yeah, I'm thirty seven, and so that's
Speaker 1: like in that like mid thirties ish.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know alone, I like you, Well, i'll give
Speaker 2: you mid thirties about early, but mid we can.
Speaker 1: Do mid, I know. So I was thinking about it,
Speaker 1: of course, and thinking about like, forty is a number
Speaker 1: where like, Okay, you're in your twenties, you're young, year
Speaker 1: out of college. Thirties you're you're a grown up, for sure,
Speaker 1: you're a grown up, but the twenties are just kind
Speaker 1: of in your rear view mirror. You hit forty and
Speaker 1: the rear view mirror is chipping off, right.
Speaker 2: You start we're talking about portfolios once you hit forty,
Speaker 2: and you're just not when you're twenty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking ear hair, you're talking having to ice
Speaker 1: a lot more often after normal activities. And it's okay,
Speaker 1: we're all going to go through it, you know, us
Speaker 1: us younger generations. So what I was thinking about was
Speaker 1: your progress towards forty and what you have and maybe
Speaker 1: haven't accomplished, because that is that big number as you
Speaker 1: enter this fifth decade of life, right, And so what
Speaker 1: I want to say is you're you're officially like, okay,
Speaker 1: so my people say you're officially a man when you
Speaker 1: turn thirteen, But like there is something you can call
Speaker 1: somebody kind of like boyish in their thirties. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you can when you hit forty. Well, this
Speaker 1: is I wanted, Hey, this is the Mike Gundy thing.
Speaker 1: It's in our intro. I'm a man forty, So this
Speaker 1: is this is your official time. It's vah this year
Speaker 1: it's happening. And so I wanted to review teams that
Speaker 1: are definitely young adults. But are they men? I don't
Speaker 1: think so yet, and I don't know there's a certain
Speaker 1: thresho and it's to me, a double digit win program
Speaker 1: is an adult program. In this case, we say I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty because it's Mike Gundhy, So what
Speaker 1: we'll go with a man instead of a woman. But
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying here, sure that there are
Speaker 1: programs that have grown up, but are they fully realized?
Speaker 1: Are they fully hitting their potential as often as they
Speaker 1: should be? I thought about this about thirty seconds before
Speaker 1: the show. Are they Saturday Sundays? So what I'm saying there,
Speaker 1: that's Sundays with an e We all strive to make
Speaker 1: an enjoy ice cream, but those special bulls tie have
Speaker 1: what chocolate syrup or hot fudge, whipped cream, peanuts cherry
Speaker 1: on top. That's what we're angling for. And you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just the hot fudge, but there are those
Speaker 1: four elements that maybe take you from eight wins to
Speaker 1: twelve wins. I'm going to say this show's theme is
Speaker 1: taking a look at five teams who I feel like
Speaker 1: are on the precipice of becoming I'm a man, I'm forty,
Speaker 1: like you, on the precipice of a double digit win
Speaker 1: ish program, but there's still some work to do to
Speaker 1: earn that hot fudge, peanuts, whip cream, cherry. So I
Speaker 1: want to take a look at those five teams with you,
Speaker 1: one from each power conference, and figure out why they
Speaker 1: haven't been and if they could be that Saturday Sunday.
Speaker 1: I'm a Man, I'm forty. Does that make any sense? Sure?
Speaker 2: Also a theme for this show are the two links
Speaker 2: that you send me, one of which is titled forty
Speaker 2: things to Do when you turn forty and another that
Speaker 2: says health checklists for men in their forties. I did
Speaker 2: one to zero in on number five on the things
Speaker 2: to do list, which is make a will. That's where
Speaker 2: we're going with this, make a will, get your first colonoscopy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, good, indulge in one of your sex fantasies.
Speaker 2: I mean this is this runs the gamut here.
Speaker 1: I mean it can be as many as you want.
Speaker 1: Are the other news items you wanted to get to?
Speaker 1: Are there housekeeping items you wanted to get to. We're
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Speaker 2: podcasting are having a bit of a re birth during
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Speaker 1: So that's true.
Speaker 2: I am always open to ways to try and add
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Speaker 1: Yeah, not a lot of news, and that's I think
Speaker 1: worthy of the sound effect. It's, you know, more transfers
Speaker 1: some coming. I know the dead period ends, so we'll
Speaker 1: get some visits and more quote unquote normal recruiting happening
Speaker 1: across the sport, but nothing too enormous to me has
Speaker 1: been happening across the sport. I saw ESPN released like,
Speaker 1: what is it FPI, their Power into Power Index. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some sort of combination of returning starts and production and
Speaker 1: I don't know what else they include. They're kind of opaque.
Speaker 1: Can I give a pro tip on the FPI? Please?
Speaker 2: A pro tip on the FPI. So a lot of
Speaker 2: people will ask, we've had it on like some of
Speaker 2: the live stuff that we've done. How much would X
Speaker 2: be favored over? Why get that all the time?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: An easy way just as a guide. It's by no
Speaker 2: means a tried and true way to get the exact number.
Speaker 2: But if you're just like interested in that sort of thing,
Speaker 2: go to the FPI. Look at the total ranking for
Speaker 2: both teams and subtract one from the other. And that's
Speaker 2: that's basically how you get a neutral field point spread
Speaker 2: protect we'll pro tip.
Speaker 1: I also saw that you and Boston College are aligned
Speaker 1: with your new Balance associations.
Speaker 2: Dan, I'm wearing Air Jordans right now. I've evolved into
Speaker 2: my is that true?
Speaker 1: You are? Which ones? I don't know the ones that
Speaker 1: I sent you months ago? I think you. I think
Speaker 1: you sent me the ones. They're really nice. Good job.
Speaker 2: You actually may have ones that look like this. I don't,
Speaker 2: but no, these are I'm wearing Air Jordans. The New
Speaker 2: Balances have been relegated to mowing the lawn and now
Speaker 2: entirely grass themed. Should we get into our five teams
Speaker 2: on the precipice of becoming Saturday Sundays.
Speaker 1: I would love to.
Speaker 2: Don't forget to tell all your friends to follow along
Speaker 2: on social media, to follow along on the podcasting app
Speaker 2: of their choosing, and as Dan said, go on out
Speaker 2: to verballers dot com. We are doing the nineties sports
Speaker 2: movies for kids with Bill Barnwell. It will be available
Speaker 2: again only to our patriot On subscribers. There will be
Speaker 2: a video version that is available to some of you
Speaker 2: as well. I'm very excited about this show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hornier than I remember the nineties kids sports movies.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even joking around about that, Like there
Speaker 1: are more references to adult themes in them than I
Speaker 1: immediately remembered.
Speaker 2: Night nurses from Jersey. Are we going there with nurses
Speaker 2: from Jersey? Absolutely? Why don't we start with Iowa? Dan
Speaker 2: m Okay. So in twenty nineteen, Iowa went ten and three.
Speaker 2: They had the Big Bowl win over US see the
Speaker 2: resounding Bowl win over USC. This past year in the
Speaker 2: COVID shortened season, played eight games, went six and two.
Speaker 2: The defense has remained stout over the years, certainly over
Speaker 2: the last two years. Explosiveness, though, has remained poor. And
Speaker 2: my guess is that we're gonna We're gonna talk a
Speaker 2: little bit more about this as it relates to Iowa
Speaker 2: maturing into that fully formed threat to win the Big Ten.
Speaker 2: The offense did improve marginally in twenty two, but my
Speaker 2: eye is trained on that explosivity number, which I know
Speaker 2: we have come to know and love. The only other
Speaker 2: tidbit here that I'll offer just looking forward, is that
Speaker 2: the schedule in twenty twenty one actually looks fairly workable.
Speaker 2: It's not a bruiser of a schedule. They do obviously
Speaker 2: of Iowa State and the non con They've got Penn
Speaker 2: State as one of their cross divisional games, big matchup
Speaker 2: against Iowa. But it's as big ten schedules go, it's
Speaker 2: it's fairly workable. So when you looked at Iowa, what
Speaker 2: was the first thing that jumped out to you? What
Speaker 2: is their next step?
Speaker 1: So I rewatched. So what I did is I went
Speaker 1: back and watched the five games involving these teams that
Speaker 1: seem like we could have if one of those teams.
Speaker 1: So if any of these five teams won the game,
Speaker 1: that we might be looking at this team differently in
Speaker 1: terms of hype coming into this year or and so
Speaker 1: i was a little bit different than these other programs
Speaker 1: in that they've won double digit games relatively recently, if
Speaker 1: you include the Bowl game against you USC recently than
Speaker 1: they won it that year, but they went nine to
Speaker 1: three in the regular season. I tend to look at
Speaker 1: these things as a regular season thing. So I rewatched
Speaker 1: and scrub through the Northwestern game from last year, a
Speaker 1: game that Iowa essentially gave away because Spencer Peatris couldn't
Speaker 1: Petrus Petros Petris Petress, couldn't stop throwing interceptions. He was inaccurate,
Speaker 1: and he was At one point the announcer called his
Speaker 1: continued throwing style hot and high hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: reminiscent of that. And so ultimately, over the course of
Speaker 1: the season, I was defense was sensational. Iowa's offense was
Speaker 1: more creative, especially on the ground, but they lose their
Speaker 1: top two receivers, notably Ism and I don't know if
Speaker 1: we saw a ton in terms of the Hawks evolving
Speaker 1: going downfield successfully and more creatively in the passing game.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of what I like to think
Speaker 1: of as pickleball ball, where it's just real tight, twelve
Speaker 1: yard fields at a time. And do you play pickleball?
Speaker 1: Do you know what pickleball is? I know what pickleball is.
Speaker 1: I've never played, though, I'm about to start playing paddle
Speaker 1: tennis paddle that is different but similar. Yeah, different different ball,
Speaker 1: different racket, different rules.
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, we're going to we may need to
Speaker 2: come back to this because I need to learn more
Speaker 2: about pickleball, but anyway, continue.
Speaker 1: It's popular with older people, so I think you really
Speaker 1: do need to dig in Thank You a little bit
Speaker 1: more of that. Iowa is interesting because the offense when
Speaker 1: it's at its best, relies on an ethos of serving
Speaker 1: its defense, but also efficient passing. I mean, the running
Speaker 1: game hasn't been there over all these last few years,
Speaker 1: but there's no reason to. It's just what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say is it's a smaller margin for air when
Speaker 1: you don't have that explosivity which Bill c talks about
Speaker 1: in terms of the team that wins the explosivity battle,
Speaker 1: generating and preventing wins more games than any other metric
Speaker 1: could dictate, even more than turnover margin. And so IOWA
Speaker 1: was fantastic at stopping those big plays. But until they
Speaker 1: fully shed that offensive I guess timidity. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's hard when you have a reputation for not developing
Speaker 1: explosive players on offense, but they need to continue going
Speaker 1: down that creative path. And with the Big ten where
Speaker 1: it is right now, with essentially a power as it
Speaker 1: stands in the off season of twenty twenty one, games
Speaker 1: are winnable for IOWA and there's no there's no real
Speaker 1: reason beyond I think the accuracy and ability in the
Speaker 1: downfield passing game. I mean that the Northwestern game was
Speaker 1: so ugly. They were up early, they were taking advantage
Speaker 1: of short fields. They I mean, the second half was
Speaker 1: just a complete nightmare for the Iowa offense. And it
Speaker 1: was early on in the season. But it's not like
Speaker 1: we saw this offense suddenly come to life in the
Speaker 1: back half of their schedule. So I am hopeful that
Speaker 1: they can evolve, but I don't know that this is
Speaker 1: the quarterback to lead that way.
Speaker 2: And so me as the elder statesman of this show,
Speaker 2: hearing this analysis, Dan, and looking at this list again
Speaker 2: forty things to do when you turn forty, I've been
Speaker 2: evaluating through the course of your analysis what Iowa may
Speaker 2: need to do, per this list, if they want to
Speaker 2: take that next step and if they want to be
Speaker 2: a man and be forty. Does that make sense correct?
Speaker 2: Number eighteen update your wardrobe. Okay, update your wardrobe feels
Speaker 2: like a good step here for Iowa, especially on offense,
Speaker 2: because a lot of this program we want to remain intact.
Speaker 2: We want to keep the defense intact. You know, we've
Speaker 2: made fun of Kirk Farns before because he's kind of
Speaker 2: boring and he's been there forever. But He's also built
Speaker 2: something that's very very sustainable. It's a sturdy program and
Speaker 2: it's done well. It's done very well. Over Is that
Speaker 2: not what you were mentioning before? That, like indulge a fantasy.
Speaker 2: Indulge a fantasy that might be a you sort of
Speaker 2: have a successful workmanlike experience in the bedroom, but it's
Speaker 2: time to zazz it up a little bit, right, So
Speaker 2: I mean we could go we could go sex fantasy.
Speaker 1: Sure, we could go spice up your.
Speaker 2: Marriage, which I don't that no one ever has like
Speaker 2: a real good answer for what that means.
Speaker 1: I mean, how much time do you have?
Speaker 2: Or thank you? Or I feel like update your wardrobe.
Speaker 2: It's got it's conservative enough that it fits the program,
Speaker 2: but at the same time it conveys the point what
Speaker 2: askman dot com says is as you enter the next
Speaker 2: phase of adulthood, you may want to reconsider how you
Speaker 2: dress for the part. Forty is a great time to
Speaker 2: reinvent your style, Dan, something a little bit more like that,
Speaker 2: a little bit more age appropriate. No one's saying you
Speaker 2: have to retire all your torn concert ta ease, but
Speaker 2: as a forty something, you want to make sure you
Speaker 2: have some good options for business, casual and formal events too.
Speaker 1: So I feel like we.
Speaker 2: Want I want to get more of those cutoff T shirts,
Speaker 2: want them to be a little bit edgy shirts. Maybe
Speaker 2: they'd be wearing khakis a little bit too much over
Speaker 2: the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: We do want to zazz it up a little bit
Speaker 1: by updating that wardrobe. Do you agree? Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's fine. Do you have items that you
Speaker 1: are looking to check off in terms of wardrobe updating?
Speaker 2: You know what, I actually made a rather large clothing
Speaker 2: purchase look at you before the pandemic, okay, before the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Was there a theme to it at the time.
Speaker 2: It was work attire, just like updating the work attire,
Speaker 2: because okay, I just I don't buy clothes that often,
Speaker 2: and so I updated the work attire. And I haven't
Speaker 2: taken any of it out of the packaging.
Speaker 1: I have it at tear.
Speaker 2: I could count on one hand the number of times
Speaker 2: in the last year I've worn a collared shirt.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I decided a couple of years ago to invest
Speaker 1: more in premium ath leisure really the same joggers and
Speaker 1: stuff like that as Yeah, and then I really and
Speaker 1: this it just hasn't come to pass. And I again,
Speaker 1: I'm nowhere near forty in the way that you are,
Speaker 1: but I really wanted to. I have a couple of
Speaker 1: items like the like button down, short sleeve shirts with
Speaker 1: prints like little pineapples and stuff like that. Not full Hawaiian,
Speaker 1: but just you know, colorful prints, not full Andy Reid. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. I'll get there eventually, right, but no, not that. Okay,
Speaker 1: So update your wardrobe. I think that's appropriate. Next team,
Speaker 1: What do you want a wardrobe?
Speaker 2: Is the advice for IOWA to get to the next stage.
Speaker 1: Why don't we go to Auburn? Dan Auburn?
Speaker 2: Auburn could be a really interesting discussion here. So nine
Speaker 2: and four, two years ago, six and five, this past
Speaker 2: yere parted ways with Gus Melson, brought in Brian Harson.
Speaker 2: That's the obvious headline. Both offense and defense in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty took a mark riginal step back. It wasn't a
Speaker 2: horror show, but it was a marginal step back. And
Speaker 2: I feel like, especially an offense, there was just this
Speaker 2: air of inconsistency. That's what has plagued Gus malson what
Speaker 2: had plegged Gus mails on in the last few years
Speaker 2: of his tenure at Auburn. The explosiveness in particular has
Speaker 2: been really bad for two years running. And if you
Speaker 2: look at things that ultimately are like antithetical to the
Speaker 2: gust Malson brand.
Speaker 1: We think of Gus Malson, we think.
Speaker 2: Of like what you did with Cam Newton, we think
Speaker 2: of the Nick Marshall year, like this is not necessarily
Speaker 2: an offense that I've come to know as lacking explosivity.
Speaker 1: It's it's a good times of Jared Stidham. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: were some fun Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's it's supposed to be an explosive offense that zags,
Speaker 2: as you like to say, and canes teams off guard
Speaker 2: with its ability to do different things. We just didn't
Speaker 2: see enough of that. Now we could go into detail
Speaker 2: here on why that didn't happen, whether it was bone,
Speaker 2: whether it was any number of different things. But they're
Speaker 2: obviously moving on from Miles On. They're going to Brian Harson.
Speaker 2: I guess the question that we can ask is what
Speaker 2: does this transition mean. It also means the arrival of
Speaker 2: Derek Mason, who was let go by Vanderbilt to come
Speaker 2: down and now run the defense. For the Auburn Tigers,
Speaker 2: Mike Bobo running their offense.
Speaker 1: It was, yeah, he was going to be retained in Columbia,
Speaker 1: but yeah he got seduced away from South Carolina to Auburn.
Speaker 2: Seduced away. So this is very much a program in transition,
Speaker 2: maybe a bit of a midlife crisis here.
Speaker 1: What say you?
Speaker 2: I know you watch some of your Auburn Auburn clips.
Speaker 1: What do you think? So? I rewatched the Auburn A
Speaker 1: and M game, which was fun and strange and honestly
Speaker 1: there for the taking for Auburn. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that saves his job. I know that there were stories
Speaker 1: that after the South Carolina loss it was basically all
Speaker 1: but a done deal for gusmels On and moving in
Speaker 1: a new direction. But Auburn's interesting. So they're replacing their receivers,
Speaker 1: they're they're changing things up on defense. After a really
Speaker 1: impressive stretch with Kevin Steele running the show, he's gone
Speaker 1: and as you mentioned, Derek Mason taking over and shifting
Speaker 1: a little bit in terms of scheme. I believe. So
Speaker 1: to me, what jumped out about that game and where
Speaker 1: Auburn needs to be and where they aren't is I
Speaker 1: just think they need a better quarterback, Like that's the
Speaker 1: starting point in the you know, the Mic Bobo system
Speaker 1: for as good it's as it's been at certain places,
Speaker 1: but not every place. If bo Nix is not able
Speaker 1: to consistently throw on platform, to take a snap and
Speaker 1: make a read and step into a throw in the pocket,
Speaker 1: he's able to make plays. He made incredible plays in
Speaker 1: that A and M game, especially with his feet. But
Speaker 1: I just if we're talking about Auburn as a more
Speaker 1: consistent double digit win threat, they there needs somebody that
Speaker 1: you can count on at quarterback to be like a
Speaker 1: consistent B plus or they need that high ceiling dude.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's d Davis, the freshman who set all
Speaker 1: sorts of records at Texas. He's a shorter dude, like
Speaker 1: five ten, five eleven, but I think he has an
Speaker 1: electricity to him that's pretty intriguing for the future, depending
Speaker 1: on if he's a good fit with whatever Auburn is
Speaker 1: running on. Offense. Of course, Brian Harson has his own
Speaker 1: offensive background, but I don't know the defense took a
Speaker 1: step back offensively. They're going to be relying on a
Speaker 1: number of new skill guys. But Auburn should always recruit
Speaker 1: well enough, but it's very difficult to see. And now
Speaker 1: Texa and m has a very good defense, but that
Speaker 1: game was absolutely there for the taking, and there were
Speaker 1: just far too many mistakes and three and outs and
Speaker 1: miscalculations and missed receivers to feel like bow Nicks. Hope
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Always hope I'm wrong with stuff like this
Speaker 1: because I'm always uncomfortable or I've become more uncomfortable criticizing
Speaker 1: college kids. But it doesn't seem like he's a double
Speaker 1: digit win answer at this junction.
Speaker 2: Okay, So there are several themes I think emerging here
Speaker 2: again as the elder statesmen looking at this handy list
Speaker 2: from askman dot com, which I will link up for
Speaker 2: anyone interested. It's prepaucous, but there are several themes.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: The one that is shining through the most is one
Speaker 2: of self awareness. Sure, one of self awareness. So there
Speaker 2: are a couple of different angles that we could go
Speaker 2: here in our advice to Auburn to get them in
Speaker 2: nineteen mentor somebody mentor somebody number seven get a colonoscopy, Okay,
Speaker 2: like just you know, just suck it up, get the picture.
Speaker 2: Taken and let's really medically assess what's going on here.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm very excited to hear what you have to
Speaker 1: say in terms of comparing a colonoscopy to the Auburn offense.
Speaker 1: We could do that.
Speaker 2: We could go go back at school. Could also go
Speaker 2: number twenty two. Embrace the change, embrace the change of
Speaker 2: the moment, steer into the Brian Harrison regime and just
Speaker 2: go with something new. Also, how about take dancing lessons
Speaker 2: number twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Just to get out of the comfort zone. Get out
Speaker 1: of the comfort zone. I'll ask you this then, just
Speaker 1: because you bring up an internal procedure, go deep inside
Speaker 1: and look at your gut, feel your gut, and do
Speaker 1: you see the Brian Harson, Mike Bobo, Derek Mason Bonix
Speaker 1: and or d Davis and whatever whoever comes after their
Speaker 1: at quarterback and just the general potential for Auburn given
Speaker 1: the situation the SEC West, do you think they can
Speaker 1: win double digit games once every three years, which I
Speaker 1: imagine does not sound unreasonable to an Auburn program that
Speaker 1: has won played for national championships in the last decade,
Speaker 1: has been in the SEC championship game, has been in
Speaker 1: major games, is that an expectation that you think is
Speaker 1: unreasonable for the now Brian Harson Auburn program, ten regular
Speaker 1: season wins once every three years.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's unreasonable at all. Okay, no, I
Speaker 2: don't think that's unreasonable at all. I think, you know,
Speaker 2: part of what Harson was good at at Boise was
Speaker 2: maintaining some general level of stability. He was consistent year
Speaker 2: in and year out. And I think if you're Auburn, look, Auburn,
Speaker 2: we've done the thing on this show where we talk
Speaker 2: about every other year. It's like every other year when
Speaker 2: you don't think Auburn's going to have a good year,
Speaker 2: they have a good year. When you think they should,
Speaker 2: they don't. So it's been the tale of two Cities
Speaker 2: to an extent for the Auburn Tigers. If you're Brian
Speaker 2: Harson coming in, I think you want to try and
Speaker 2: establish that consistency. Now, maybe it's not ten wins every year,
Speaker 2: it probably.
Speaker 1: Isn't in the SEC.
Speaker 2: But if you can, if you can consistently be at
Speaker 2: like a nine win level and every so often bump
Speaker 2: up to ten eleven, if you're really lucky, twelve, I
Speaker 2: think that's entirely in the cards, but we kind of
Speaker 2: don't know what it's going to look like yet. And
Speaker 2: it's a difficult SEC schedule as it always is. They've
Speaker 2: got Penn State in twenty one coming up here in
Speaker 2: the fall. Second to last week is September. That's going
Speaker 2: to be a tough road non conference game. So it's
Speaker 2: it's just not gonna be easy. And in the short term,
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I was really high on bow
Speaker 2: Knicks when he took the reins. He's a legacy. He
Speaker 2: did have moments in his freshman year, especially where we
Speaker 2: you know, the stats kind of kind of painted a
Speaker 2: different picture, but there were there were certainly moments in the.
Speaker 1: Early Oregon in Alabama. Yeah, in the.
Speaker 2: Early part of bo Nix's career where it was like,
Speaker 2: this kid's got some intangibles. I tend to agree with you.
Speaker 2: Now after another season, I'm not sure he's the guy.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it's taken dancing lessons, I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's the full on colonoscopy, two different
Speaker 2: sides of the spectrum there.
Speaker 1: You know, a colonoscopy just is a picture taking procedure.
Speaker 1: They're not cleaning everything out. I am aware of what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Okay, I do appreciate that I am aware,
Speaker 2: but in some way, shape or form, the move for
Speaker 2: Auburn is one of self reflection, looking in the mirror
Speaker 2: and being honest with oneself. And so whether it's hey,
Speaker 2: I got I gotta stretch my limits, I got to
Speaker 2: get outside my comfort zone and take dancing lessons, or
Speaker 2: it's I got this pain in my gut, I got
Speaker 2: to get this thing checked out. One or the other,
Speaker 2: they got to do something to just truly evaluate where
Speaker 2: they're at in life.
Speaker 1: I would also add number fourteen, put yourself out there
Speaker 1: because they're recruiting to be expected with the coaching transition
Speaker 1: fell off a cliff, and this last class and this
Speaker 1: next class. Obviously there haven't been guys on campus and
Speaker 1: camps and spring days and all sorts of things like that,
Speaker 1: but hasn't started off in a gangbuster's way. And so
Speaker 1: I'm positive this staff is making things a priority out
Speaker 1: on the recruiting trail. But it really needs to be
Speaker 1: seen in the twenty twenty two class that Auburn just landed,
Speaker 1: because I think they went from the number seven class
Speaker 1: to the number twenty class and all things considered, it's
Speaker 1: a pretty big drop off. So I am going to
Speaker 1: say put yourself out there, number fourteen and just really
Speaker 1: really sing the sort of praises of the Auburn brand,
Speaker 1: whatever that is. Let's go to North Carolina. Dan Okay.
Speaker 2: North Carolina led by one Mac Brown seven and six
Speaker 2: in year one under Mac eight and four. This past season,
Speaker 2: COVID weird year offense took a huge jump forward, huge
Speaker 2: jump forward by any measure of the offense was outstanding
Speaker 2: both through the air and on the ground. On the
Speaker 2: defensive side, I think we were looking for more of
Speaker 2: an improvement, Daniel. It did sort of tread water. It
Speaker 2: wasn't as big of a jump as many were expecting,
Speaker 2: though they have recruited well on that side of the football.
Speaker 2: Defense probably actually got a little bit worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the defense was fine. I mean they played some
Speaker 1: tough offenses, but there were stretches there. I mean this
Speaker 1: you're looking at a program that what they went seven
Speaker 1: and three within the ACC and they beat like Western
Speaker 1: Carolina or something, so they had technically had eight wins.
Speaker 1: So they go eight and four if you include the
Speaker 1: bowl game loss to Texas A and M. But their
Speaker 1: losses during the season that were not that they were
Speaker 1: going to have a good chance at winning. They were
Speaker 1: never going to win that Notre Dame game with the
Speaker 1: way that Notre Dame defense was playing, especially letting Jordan
Speaker 1: Travis run all over them and letting everybody on the floor.
Speaker 2: State offense frustrated by North Carolina on the rewatch, weren't.
Speaker 1: You I rewatched the Virginia game and Sam Howell shredded
Speaker 1: the whose They ran the ball fine, but Sam Howell
Speaker 1: shredded them all game long and did enough to win
Speaker 1: that game. The issue is Sam Howell and just mistakes
Speaker 1: in general, in terms of turnovers and mistakes. It killed
Speaker 1: the Heels. It kept them out of the game, and
Speaker 1: they Sam Howe kept bringing them in and then so
Speaker 1: you have Sam Howell bringing them to the goal line
Speaker 1: near halftime in the first half and throwing a bad
Speaker 1: backwards pass that can't be handled and that ends the
Speaker 1: half right as they're about to score, and then another
Speaker 1: fumble in the second half. It's just one of those.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was right away in the second half,
Speaker 1: and it's surrounded by Virginia getting it done right before
Speaker 1: the end of half and the end of the first
Speaker 1: half in the beginning of the start of the second half.
Speaker 1: That's just like God, this is such a winnable game
Speaker 1: for North Carolina, and yet, and yet, and it was
Speaker 1: on the road. They snatched what defeat from the jaws
Speaker 1: of victory. Yeah, that was an eighty I'm seeing let's say,
Speaker 1: eighty six percent postgame win expectancy. If you look at
Speaker 1: the metrics in that game, the computer would figure there's
Speaker 1: an eighty six percent chance North Carolina wins. They give
Speaker 1: up forty five in a losing effort, and then that
Speaker 1: Florida State game, it was just, you know, a nightmare
Speaker 1: of a first half, and they fixed things in the
Speaker 1: second half, but they couldn't bring themselves back. So this
Speaker 1: was the team that was most obviously a double digit
Speaker 1: win quality team. They weren't on A and m's level,
Speaker 1: which A and M is right there on the edge
Speaker 1: of the playoff. And that's fine in the bowl game,
Speaker 1: But as we move forward and what North Carolina is
Speaker 1: replacing its best receivers and best running backs. They've recruited well,
Speaker 1: and you know, ty Chandler comes in from Tennessee, but
Speaker 1: it's not obvious as to who is immediately holding up
Speaker 1: their end of the bargain with Sam Howell. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean at the skill position, So the one at the
Speaker 1: skill positions. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The one caveat I would add here is that despite
Speaker 2: the fact that there are obvious targets, obvious skill positions
Speaker 2: that are going to need to be replaced, North Carolina
Speaker 2: is set up pretty well in the trenches. They do
Speaker 2: bring back a lot in the front seven, with the
Speaker 2: exception of Chaz Surrat. So I think this is a
Speaker 2: team that is set up well. They need to find
Speaker 2: some of those complimentary pieces as you said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's going to be guys who can
Speaker 1: hang with Sam Howell and at least a little bit
Speaker 1: more havoc on the defensive side of the ball, especially upfront.
Speaker 1: That's where they they got pushed around a little bit,
Speaker 1: and so that can make up for a lot of
Speaker 1: offensive green issues early on. But you know, I mean
Speaker 1: they've recruited well again, there are guys who can come
Speaker 1: into their own this fall. I don't have the schedule
Speaker 1: in front of me, but this is, without a doubt
Speaker 1: a team who has shown flashes. And even though I
Speaker 1: like to call Michael Carter Williams, but Javonte Williams and
Speaker 1: Michael Carter are gone. It was as complete an offense
Speaker 1: as we saw, I guess outside of Alabama across college football.
Speaker 1: So that has me feeling good about the Heels and
Speaker 1: threatening to become a Saturday Sunday and when you know,
Speaker 1: ten games every so often or more often than they
Speaker 1: do now.
Speaker 2: So what you're describing to me, again as the elder
Speaker 2: statesman of this show, I don't know if I've said
Speaker 2: that before, but what you're describing to me is somebody
Speaker 2: in there, like mid to late twenties where they've got
Speaker 2: things going in a good direction, totally not fully matured.
Speaker 1: Yet no, not yet a woman, as Britney Spears like
Speaker 1: to point out the wise profit. Mm hm.
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking things around, create a retirement plan, talk
Speaker 2: to a financial advisor, even things like, you know, don't
Speaker 2: hold grudges or get serious about dental care dan.
Speaker 1: Which number thirty two. Your teeth are.
Speaker 2: Slowly rotting away, thank you, AskMen dot Com.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like the message of stability is what we
Speaker 2: need to try and convey here, because the other fact
Speaker 2: that you didn't mention is that Sam Howe is going
Speaker 2: to go pro after this coming season.
Speaker 1: He's going to go going to be they've not a
Speaker 1: QB of the future as well, got a QB of
Speaker 1: the future Drake May. Yeah, however, Sam Howell call you call.
Speaker 2: Lightning in a bottle with him, and not all of
Speaker 2: those top blue chip recruits work out, right, So my
Speaker 2: only point here is let's start thinking long term about
Speaker 2: how we can build this thing. The offense has been fun,
Speaker 2: the defense needs to get better. What can we do
Speaker 2: if for mac Brown, if we're really trying to turn
Speaker 2: this into a fully formed program something of stability, get
Speaker 2: serious about dental care feels a little more, a little
Speaker 2: too morbid. It implies that there is an issue. But
Speaker 2: maybe we just go like surface level, talk to a
Speaker 2: financial advisor, like start start getting some stuff together, set
Speaker 2: up that IRA, make sure that you're make sure that
Speaker 2: your contributions to the four oh one K are going
Speaker 2: to the right spot for long term growth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not too conservative with your investing hull.
Speaker 2: When you're young, that's when you want to go risky.
Speaker 2: You just gotta you gotta go pedal the metal when
Speaker 2: you're younger. But maybe we're starting to talk about all right,
Speaker 2: we'll throttle it back a little bit. We'll go into
Speaker 2: into some you know some investments that are less risky
Speaker 2: that feel.
Speaker 1: That I was the same page. Anything detail oriented on
Speaker 1: here make a will. So that's crossing t's and dotting
Speaker 1: eyes or in Wayne's world too lower case jays. It's
Speaker 1: the reason they lost those games is not because they
Speaker 1: were out talented or out scheme. They were just outplayed.
Speaker 1: And so if they are not fumbling, if they're not
Speaker 1: muffing punts, if they are not getting beaten by Florida
Speaker 1: State's second or third string quarterback on the ground and
Speaker 1: good but not killer running backs, and they obviously showed
Speaker 1: that they were able to make the adjustment defensively in
Speaker 1: the second half. But yeah, it's becoming more detail oriented.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's on your list, but it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's raking leaves. I got it, I got it,
Speaker 1: I got it right here. I found it. Number nine.
Speaker 2: Look at number nine by property, by property, that's isn't
Speaker 2: that the ultimate?
Speaker 1: Like I am maturing? Move right there? Sure, when that's
Speaker 1: paying attention, that's cleaning out your gutters.
Speaker 2: Buy property number nine. So our advice.
Speaker 1: Buying and maintaining, Yeah.
Speaker 2: North Carolina is get out of the rental, get out
Speaker 2: of the apartment, find something that's going to start working
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: Build equity as a program. That's it. Man.
Speaker 2: Okay, you may not be able to I'm going to
Speaker 2: read this. You may not be able to afford your
Speaker 2: dream apartment in your favorite city, but you can probably
Speaker 2: invest in something that will develop and appreciate nicely over
Speaker 2: the next few decades. This is what we're talking about here.
Speaker 2: Not in this market. Time plus you plus you end
Speaker 2: up with the option to rent out your space and
Speaker 2: sell it down your line for a tidy I like
Speaker 2: these words here, tidy, appreciate nicely, next few decades. We're
Speaker 2: trying to build this thing for North Carolina number nine
Speaker 2: by property. That's my advice. Okay, next team, Next team,
Speaker 2: let's go Oklahoma State. Dan oh would love to Oklahoma State.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State eight and five and twenty nineteen, eight and
Speaker 2: three in twenty twenty. My thing with Oklahoma is that
Speaker 2: every team every year feels exactly the same.
Speaker 1: You mean state, because that's very insulting to call them
Speaker 1: Oklahoma Oklahoma State.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, yeah, please forgive me. Yep, every team every
Speaker 2: year feels kind of exactly the same.
Speaker 1: Wait they bump up against that ceiling. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: every year we are always good, but then they'll have
Speaker 1: a clunker and a half and lose a game that
Speaker 1: they shouldn't and they end up nine and three, eight
Speaker 1: and four.
Speaker 2: The really exciting bit for Oklahoma State that has left
Speaker 2: me actually feeling a bit frustrated is that the defense
Speaker 2: has improved.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: It has improved. And whenever you see a defense in
Speaker 2: the Big twelve that plays at a really high level,
Speaker 2: that's a competitive advantage at least it should be. The offense, though,
Speaker 2: has been very inconsistent. And there are various reasons for that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: various for the nightmare, Yeah, various reasons for that. You know,
Speaker 2: like this past year there were you know, the Chewba
Speaker 2: Hubbard thing. Is he playing? Is he not playing? Spencer
Speaker 2: Sanders was hurt. Yeah, yeah, like there were there were
Speaker 2: reasons for it. I'm not saying it's all self inflicted.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 2: But despite a lot of promise, it just feels like
Speaker 2: that offense has not really appreciated, I'll use the word again,
Speaker 2: in the way that we had expected. The defense has
Speaker 2: done its part. The offense just feels like just very
Speaker 2: frustratingly inconsistent in a way that we have not necessarily
Speaker 2: come to know from a Mike Gundy team, where typically
Speaker 2: we think Gundy, we think offense first. So I know
Speaker 2: you went back. I know you looked at Oklahoma State.
Speaker 2: What did you see, man? They handed the Texas game
Speaker 2: to the Horns on a silver platter. They moved the
Speaker 2: ball so well, they made so many good decisions on offense,
Speaker 2: and then strip sacks and bad picks and picks run
Speaker 2: back to give Texas short fields. There was a ninety
Speaker 2: eight percent win expectancy for Oklahoma State given the metric
Speaker 2: advantage that they had over Texas across the board. But
Speaker 2: Texas made plays on defense, and as we've come to watch,
Speaker 2: Sam Ellinger, somehow, through a mix of occasional deep balls
Speaker 2: but mostly slowly developing drag routs, comes back and helps
Speaker 2: Texas to win this game. Made plays at the end
Speaker 2: of the game that Spencer Sanders and he was getting
Speaker 2: beat up at the end of this game as he tried.
Speaker 2: But it was another instance of just not take I
Speaker 2: don't know if there's an item here like don't shoot
Speaker 2: yourself in the foot. I don't know what that's analogous to.
Speaker 2: But there was something about Oklahoma State who as a
Speaker 2: double digit win ish team and program should do they
Speaker 2: weather a quarterback injury and they're able to survive and
Speaker 2: advance and win games with was it? Shane Illingworth was
Speaker 2: the one who ended up taking the majority of Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Shane Ellingworth, who was fine but obviously had a very
Speaker 2: young ceiling.
Speaker 1: But the offense was able to adapt and win games,
Speaker 1: which is, as far as I'm concerned, a very positive
Speaker 1: thing for the Pokes. But the Spencer Sanders element. I
Speaker 1: know he cut down on the interceptions overall, but the
Speaker 1: picks that he threw in this game were so backbreaking
Speaker 1: that I believe in Spencer sanders Is ability and his
Speaker 1: ceiling more than I do for Bonnicks. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, there is that seesaw element like you talked about,
Speaker 1: Like the offense has an amazing year and the defense
Speaker 1: falls off a cliff. Then the defense steps up in
Speaker 1: a big way, and the offense is dealing with injury
Speaker 1: issues or turnover issues or something like that, and they
Speaker 1: fall down. And now we're dealing with an Oklahoma State
Speaker 1: team who is I think still pretty solid at running
Speaker 1: back if I remember correctly, their room is still pretty
Speaker 1: deep even without CHEWBA Hubbard, but no more Dylan Stoner,
Speaker 1: no more Tylan Wallace. So they should be fine at receiver.
Speaker 1: They generally seem to and Mike Gundy and his staff
Speaker 1: and they have one of the better I guess he's
Speaker 1: now their coordinator, but the receipt of the longtime receivers
Speaker 1: coach has always done a great job finding and developing talent,
Speaker 1: so that Oklahoma States, I don't see a reason why
Speaker 1: they're making that leap to ten wins, but I could
Speaker 1: see the threat becoming more obvious that they're going nine
Speaker 1: and three, or they're going eight and four, but they're
Speaker 1: only losing games because Baylor has gotten so much better,
Speaker 1: or TCU finally found a quarterback and they just go
Speaker 1: back and forth. It's it's easy to see how they
Speaker 1: could win ten games, but my confidence level is sort
Speaker 1: of on that similar. Oklahoma State seesaw that offense defense see,
Speaker 1: so I'm just like, I'm gonna need to see it
Speaker 1: more often before I believe it.
Speaker 2: So this this is a message of not unlike North Carolina,
Speaker 2: trying to get more consistent, trying to get more stable. Sure,
Speaker 2: there is an item. There are a couple items again
Speaker 2: on the as the Elder Statesman on this askman dot
Speaker 2: Com list.
Speaker 1: Right, I think, by the way, in terms of getting
Speaker 1: to double digit wins, they win because they won their
Speaker 1: bowl game, so that got them to eight wins, So
Speaker 1: there's seven to three in the regular season. They lose
Speaker 1: to TCU, scoring twenty two points in a not great
Speaker 1: offensive performance. Obviously, they're not competitive in the Bedlam game
Speaker 1: in Norman, and they eke out a win against Will
Speaker 1: Howard and Kansas State on the road backup QB. So
Speaker 1: it's not like the seven regular season wins were crazy impressive,
Speaker 1: and it's a strange year for everybody. But I just
Speaker 1: I want to see a twenty seven touchdowns to six
Speaker 1: interception year from Spencer Sanders if that is, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just it's kind of a hollow stat But if
Speaker 1: we're in that range, that's telling me that he's playing
Speaker 1: with a certain degree of confidence that makes me feel
Speaker 1: good about a ten and two Poke team.
Speaker 2: The answer here is number twenty one. Eat healthier, Yeah,
Speaker 2: eat healthier. We are looking for a cleaner, burning, more
Speaker 2: efficient version of Oklahoma State.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really close to what I guess t
Speaker 1: boone was trying to do, right, wasn't he trying to
Speaker 1: go wind energy near the end there, I think near
Speaker 1: the end there. Yeah, yeah, I think I think he was.
Speaker 1: Here's what this says. This is great.
Speaker 2: Everyone knows you're supposed to live healthier as you get older.
Speaker 1: The days of.
Speaker 2: Smashing cheeseburgers and beer with impunity are over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my Gundy has had to change his ways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not all exactly.
Speaker 2: Not only is it easier to put on weight now
Speaker 2: as your metabolism slows, but threats like heart disease and
Speaker 2: diabetes are more real than ever. So start subbing greens
Speaker 2: for grease, and hedge your bets. I almost read hedge
Speaker 2: your farts, which is definitely wrong. Might apply eat healthier.
Speaker 2: We are looking for a cleaner, more refined, more disciplined,
Speaker 2: and more consistent Oklahoma, So it's the late night snacking
Speaker 2: for Spencer Sanders. That's so tantalizing. That's just gonna mess
Speaker 2: everything up for the next morning.
Speaker 1: Put down the cheetos, Maybe go carrot sticks. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: all same. I mean you would. I would. I've done
Speaker 1: it too. Yeah, next team, what do we talk about?
Speaker 2: We got one team left here, Dan, Okay, talk about
Speaker 2: your Arizona State Sun Devils. Yeah, let's talk about the
Speaker 2: Asu Sun Devils. Also eight and five in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: just two and two in twenty twenty. COVID shortened year,
Speaker 2: especially so for the PAC twelve mm hm, okay, I
Speaker 2: am all over the map on Asu. Okay, I really
Speaker 2: like Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 1: I've zoomed in a little bit. I've dropped a pin.
Speaker 1: You've dropped a pin? Yeah, Like, when you when you're
Speaker 1: all over the map, don't you drop a pin on
Speaker 1: like your phone to tell somebody where you are?
Speaker 2: You drop the pin or if you're on the computer,
Speaker 2: or drop the pin and like spin the wheel to
Speaker 2: really Yeah, well continue, I am all over the map
Speaker 2: on ASU. I really like Jaden Daniels. I really like
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels. I don't know if they figured out a
Speaker 2: way to put him in a position to succeed. He's
Speaker 2: had some talent around him that he's been able to utilize,
Speaker 2: but I feel like his interaction, especially with like his
Speaker 2: offensive line, hasn't been great.
Speaker 1: We saw him run.
Speaker 2: More this past year, which was which was both exciting
Speaker 2: and at the same time kind of like terrifying for
Speaker 2: his life. Necessary yeah yeah, like and on the defensive side.
Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes we get a good version of ASU,
Speaker 2: sometimes we don't like I don't know. Maybe the reason
Speaker 2: that we're playing this game for at least four of
Speaker 2: these five teams, Auburn, UNC, Oklahoma State, and now ASU
Speaker 2: is to figure out how they can get more consistent
Speaker 2: and how they can play to a higher level. My
Speaker 2: opinion of this team, though, is very much clouded by
Speaker 2: the fact that I like their quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I'm just unsure of pretty much everything else. There
Speaker 1: are a number of things to like about ASU. The
Speaker 1: secondary was pretty good last year. The skill talent was
Speaker 1: especially given some of the youth there. I mean a
Speaker 1: good mix of youth and older guys Lvi Bunkley, Shelton,
Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson's a huge dude. Frank Darby made plays. But
Speaker 1: they just had like a nothing season. They lose last
Speaker 1: second to USC. I didn't rewatch that game because I
Speaker 1: didn't want to rewatch anybody's first game because it's never
Speaker 1: fully indicative of anything. But they lose that game up
Speaker 1: late and just completely completely fold, and then they're off
Speaker 1: for a month. ASU is totally snake bitten by the
Speaker 1: health and safety stuff, and so they get back on
Speaker 1: the field early December against U a month later, and
Speaker 1: there were cobwebs. The offensive line was not good and
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, who normally I believe he is not turnover prone.
Speaker 1: He does not throw a lot of picks. He I think,
Speaker 1: had a fumble at the goal line. He lined up
Speaker 1: under center about to score and there's a botched exchange
Speaker 1: and UCLA recovers, and then he throws an exceptionally catchable ball.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately it's true when he overthrows it by about ten
Speaker 1: feet and throws a pick in the end zone. So
Speaker 1: the opportunities were there for ASU to go undefeated this year,
Speaker 1: and big asterisk, that's four and oh for ASU. They
Speaker 1: end up not playing in a bowl game. But they
Speaker 1: could have beaten USC quite easily in La. They could
Speaker 1: have beaten UCLA in Tempe. They blow out Arizona. They
Speaker 1: have a nice win against Oregon State, who wasn't fantastic,
Speaker 1: but Oregon State won the Civil War, that's something. They
Speaker 1: had a sixty five percent win expectancy in that UCLA
Speaker 1: twenty five to eighteen loss, and they just which is
Speaker 1: where they're not moving the ball were too frequent, and
Speaker 1: then the mistakes when they do move the ball, so
Speaker 1: they Arizona State is quite close. They need to get
Speaker 1: better and deeper upfront on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1: Ucla had too many plays pushing around and running over,
Speaker 1: around and through ASU up front on defense and then
Speaker 1: on offense. Jaden Daniels was constantly under fire in this game.
Speaker 1: And the teams we've talked about, Auburn has been pretty
Speaker 1: good upfront on offense and really good on defense. Iowa,
Speaker 1: of course, is kind of an NFL factory on both
Speaker 1: sides of the line of scrimmage, and North Carolina certainly
Speaker 1: showed a lot of improvement on both sides, so they
Speaker 1: got pushed around on defense a bit. That's one of
Speaker 1: those things where and Oklahoma State looked incredible upfront on
Speaker 1: defense for stretches last year. It's one of those things
Speaker 1: where it's hard to see ASU not dropping three games
Speaker 1: when their lines of scrimmage are not necessarily on the
Speaker 1: level of the rest of the field, or they're better opponents.
Speaker 1: So I can see them taking down good teams like
Speaker 1: they did a couple of years ago against Oregon. But
Speaker 1: UCLA was fine, they were interesting, they were intriguing. ASU
Speaker 1: should have beaten UCLA at home last year. It was
Speaker 1: right there for the taking, and I imagine a Herm
Speaker 1: Edwards hyped team. They're basically two minutes from being four
Speaker 1: and zho. That's so it's it is tantalizing to me,
Speaker 1: and I understand the ASU hype, but there their big
Speaker 1: bodies need improvement big bye. So is it a question
Speaker 1: of cleaning up the sloppiness somewhat? Yeah, they didn't tackle
Speaker 1: particularly well against UCLA.
Speaker 2: Number twenty three. Trim all the extra hair?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Is?
Speaker 1: That? Is that painting with two broad a brush? Well,
Speaker 1: Herm definitely did number sixteen reconnect with old friends. He
Speaker 1: did Tonio Pierce and Marvin Lewis. He did Hugh Jackson
Speaker 1: take care of your parents? Oh?
Speaker 2: I mean Herm is an older gentleman, right, I man,
Speaker 2: ASU was tough for me. It is tough for me.
Speaker 2: It's certainly not switch up your career path because I
Speaker 2: feel like they're on like a decent enough track. It's
Speaker 2: it's really a question of getting better at some key
Speaker 2: spots as well as that clean up of the.
Speaker 1: Slot sing Did Hugh Jackson not go? Was it just
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis? I think Hugh Jackson was going to go
Speaker 1: to ASU and help out in some way. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he actually did continue.
Speaker 2: So I think I think it's a combination of of
Speaker 2: a couple things. For starters, I will stick to trim
Speaker 2: the extra hair. You gotta you gotta clean the sloppiness,
Speaker 2: I think, oh yeah, especially up front and offense. I
Speaker 2: mean UCLA had plays where and this is more of
Speaker 2: a credit to UCLA and their front and creativity where.
Speaker 2: I think ASU had obviously their five linemen in and
Speaker 2: they left their running back in to help out, and
Speaker 2: so you had a six man wall and UCLA showed
Speaker 2: pressure on one side and dropped guys back, and UCLA
Speaker 2: was getting to Jade and Daniels untouched with a four
Speaker 2: versus six disadvantage, And that's an issue.
Speaker 1: I think they like really impressive overloaded sides and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But I don't know if it's a Jayden
Speaker 1: Daniels or if it's an offensive line thing, or it's
Speaker 1: a communication between the two. But with the game on
Speaker 1: the line, Jade Daniels was running for his life and
Speaker 1: just couldn't make place.
Speaker 2: It's a combination of Truman the extra hair with number
Speaker 2: twenty five making amends, Dan making amends. Here's what it
Speaker 2: says for making amends. And I think this is as
Speaker 2: the elder statesman. You know, this is something that I
Speaker 2: think about a lot as I enter the latter stages
Speaker 2: of my life. Mate, no matter how hard we try,
Speaker 2: make amends. No matter how hard we try, we all
Speaker 2: commit wrong doings from time to time.
Speaker 1: Dan, Okay.
Speaker 2: Often it can be easy to gloss over or hope
Speaker 2: that they fade into the ether. But now's a good
Speaker 2: time to make amends for those things you might have
Speaker 2: said or might have done that never settled right. Not
Speaker 2: only will you feel unburdened, asu you might just rescue
Speaker 2: or rekindle an important relationship with winning football.
Speaker 1: I added that last part. I like it. Make amends
Speaker 1: and trim the heir. Number thirty nine. Learn basic survival,
Speaker 1: which you might need if Dimitric Felton and dtr are
Speaker 1: going to and what Britain Brown are going to keep
Speaker 1: running all over you.
Speaker 2: Number thirty nine. You're an authority figure now like it
Speaker 2: or not. People are going to look to you for
Speaker 2: guidance and reassurance, especially when things go Southn't let them down.
Speaker 2: Know how to handle yourself. This is where it takes
Speaker 2: a turn in various survival situations. I thought this was
Speaker 2: just like medicals.
Speaker 1: Is it also what's surviving at the end of the
Speaker 1: USC game with the lead sh Yeah, surviving a full
Speaker 1: drive without fumbling on the goal line. Okay, okay, it's
Speaker 1: a stretch.
Speaker 2: Okay, So instead of making amends, since that's a little
Speaker 2: too deep for this show, yeah, why don't we say
Speaker 2: we got to do the trimming of the hair thing
Speaker 2: because that's too funny to us? And then thirty nine
Speaker 2: learn Basic Survival. It also says learn how to build
Speaker 2: a fire and a shelter, keep emergency kits in your
Speaker 2: house and car, know how to perform CPR or fashion
Speaker 2: a splint. You're the one they're looking to. I don't
Speaker 2: know who is looking to ASU in this strange kind
Speaker 2: of comparison, but learning basic survival, as you said, they
Speaker 2: were two minutes from four to.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that fits Dan. I actually liked that one
Speaker 1: a lot. Thank you very much. Those are our five teams, right,
Speaker 1: those are the five teams. Yeah, what across anything that
Speaker 1: you may have read in the literature I sent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for that advice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the medical checklist and things to accomplish from
Speaker 1: your forty, and there's a lot of bucket list stuff
Speaker 1: on there. What makes you either physically or emotionally, mentally whatever,
Speaker 1: What makes you feel your age the most explicitly? Get
Speaker 1: your first colonoscopy? Yeah, yeah, I think that does make
Speaker 1: a will. Scare me, make a will? I mean a
Speaker 1: will's yeah, I mean you have to. Isn't that a
Speaker 1: little premature at turning forty? No? No, I think you so.
Speaker 1: I think I need to do it more so than
Speaker 1: you do right now, just because I have potential heirs,
Speaker 1: clear potential airs. I don't know what kind of thought
Speaker 1: you've given you You're who's going to be your heir?
Speaker 1: But like next generation air, not solid wife, Kate. Sure,
Speaker 1: but I think it's the responsible thing to do to
Speaker 1: get your affairs in order. It's a crazy violent world.
Speaker 1: Make an archive of your life so far, number thirty five. WHOA,
Speaker 1: that's deep.
Speaker 2: Hell, man, Chances are there's a ton of documentation about
Speaker 2: your life scattered throughout the real.
Speaker 1: And online world. That's that's for sure. Let's go through
Speaker 1: each one of these real quick. I just want to
Speaker 1: know where you're at. Okay, there's forty of them, not
Speaker 1: all of you. Yeah, well, just real quick. Let's I
Speaker 1: know you don't have time, You've got We've got five minutes.
Speaker 1: We got five minutes. All right, celebrate? Are you? Are
Speaker 1: you grateful? Do you celebrate? Are you you know? Are
Speaker 1: you prone to celebration? Prone to celebration? Yeah, you will
Speaker 1: need a good life.
Speaker 2: I'm not prone to celebration, but I'm not I'm not
Speaker 2: against I I believe we all need to celebrate a
Speaker 2: little bit more.
Speaker 1: Well. Will you have a fortieth birthday party with friends
Speaker 1: and family? Will you go all out and let them
Speaker 1: shower you with happiness? It depends on what that means.
Speaker 1: If anyone is putting stuff in my yard, I will
Speaker 1: kill them. Okay, we'll murder them in cold blood. Otherwise
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it. Go on an adventure. I'm okay
Speaker 1: with this. Like, Okay, what what sort of adventure or
Speaker 1: vacation or trip? Sounds like the most out of your
Speaker 1: comfort zone? No? Like, do you want to go climb
Speaker 1: a mountain? Do you want to take surfing lessons in
Speaker 1: Costa Rica?
Speaker 2: No? I just let's like, let's go to Europe. That'd
Speaker 2: be fun.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a big place. TI. We're gonna need to
Speaker 1: be specific and we need to be specific about activities.
Speaker 1: I'm like, do you want to climb the Matterhorn? No?
Speaker 1: I don't care about climbing. I hate heights. You know me,
Speaker 1: You've been on a plane. Hate heights. What about some
Speaker 1: sort of water adventure? I like boats. I'm cool with boats.
Speaker 1: Would you go like, like serious whitewater rafting? No, I
Speaker 1: don't like boats that much. No, Oh, it's fun ty, No,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, but I'm I think that's a good one
Speaker 1: for you. White water rafting, yeah, I don't. Maybe you
Speaker 1: can do it in Pennsylvania. I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: think you got to get out west. You can do it.
Speaker 1: In Canada. You can do it, you know, Arizona, Colorado,
Speaker 1: somewhere like that. You do in California, Oregon. White water
Speaker 1: rafting's really fun. And if you get thrown, you're wearing
Speaker 1: a life jacket and you sort of bob in the water.
Speaker 2: It's great. I don't know how I feel about this.
Speaker 1: I need I need to. I can give up. I
Speaker 1: don't really hold grudges that much, but you are crazy
Speaker 1: competitive about certain things. I do hold some grudges now
Speaker 1: that you mentioned Yeah, yeah, okay, we talked about make
Speaker 1: a Will you haven't made your will yet. You've started
Speaker 1: a family, and that you've gotten married. That's correct, So
Speaker 1: you have all sorts of relatives that you didn't before
Speaker 1: you got married, so that technically counts. Sure. I did
Speaker 1: read about genetic material and what happens when you turn forty,
Speaker 1: so you were sending me this as well. I didn't.
Speaker 2: We didn't include this as part of Yeah.
Speaker 1: First colonoscope. We talked about this. You just got to
Speaker 1: do it. I don't think it's a big deal.
Speaker 2: This is one of the ones that makes me feel old.
Speaker 2: You ask it's a big deal. I'm not saying it's
Speaker 2: a big deal, but I know, let me just do it.
Speaker 2: Create a new tradition, a chili cookof, a scavenger hunt,
Speaker 2: a family roast, a country getaway, anything.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with new traditions.
Speaker 2: This is this is like doing the college football playoff
Speaker 2: on New Year's Eve, Like they tried it and it
Speaker 2: didn't work. But I feel like I could do a.
Speaker 1: Better job by property. You've already done that. Stop worrying
Speaker 1: about what other people think. I've gotten better with this.
Speaker 2: I think just through the course of doing like our
Speaker 2: show here, I don't I definitely don't care as much
Speaker 2: about like when Michigan people write in and bitch about
Speaker 2: something I said.
Speaker 1: Eleven. Indulge a sex fantasy. Don't go to your grave
Speaker 1: with a bunch of unfulfilled fantasies. Instead, find a few
Speaker 1: that are feasible and discuss them with your partner. So
Speaker 1: like nothing that'll be super threatening for your shoulder, because
Speaker 1: you've got a bum shoulder. Sharing a fantasy can bring
Speaker 1: the two of you even closer together, as long as
Speaker 1: you're honest and willing to be flexed.
Speaker 2: This is this is the reason that you started doing
Speaker 2: this list, isn't it You want to.
Speaker 1: Know it actually isn't. I'm not gonna. I'm it's not
Speaker 1: fun to hear you like divulge, like you're the inner
Speaker 1: workings of your ID. But I think it's important to
Speaker 1: think about. Okay, what's number twelve. Let's go to twelve.
Speaker 1: Hold on, we're not done with number eleven. Man. I
Speaker 1: once had a conversation, not with solid wife Jody. I
Speaker 1: once had a conversation with somebody, and it didn't go
Speaker 1: as poorly the conversation, that is, it didn't go as
Speaker 1: poorly as I thought it could have gone. Like I
Speaker 1: was asked the question and didn't really have a good answer.
Speaker 1: Ask the question back and she had an answer. We
Speaker 1: did not indulge. I was like, huh, okay, that's feasible
Speaker 1: as number eleven likes to feasible, likes to indicate. Take
Speaker 1: them a team sport. Number twelve, you do this. You've
Speaker 1: played in rec leagues? I have, Yeah, I have.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm in team sport material right now,
Speaker 2: but I'm always open to team sports.
Speaker 1: This one I love. Number thirteen. Spice up your marriage. Spice.
Speaker 1: Don't let your marriage stagnate. It can happen naturally and
Speaker 1: slowly drive you and your partner apart. That's the stagnation. Instead,
Speaker 1: make the effort to keep going on fun dates flirty texts.
Speaker 1: So this is not necessarily the fantasy stuff. It's just
Speaker 1: are you keeping the embers? Are you trying to turn
Speaker 1: the embers into flames? Right? Would you say you are sure?
Speaker 1: Always just making sure? Okay, throw some extra emojis at
Speaker 1: the end of a text, Yeah, you know, just you
Speaker 1: got to keep them guessing. That's smart, that's smart. Put
Speaker 1: yourself out there, yourself out there.
Speaker 2: We've put ourselves out there more than enough.
Speaker 1: That's true with number eleven and thirteen and yeah, discover
Speaker 1: a new passion. Is there something that you are looking
Speaker 1: that you've always said? I'd love to learn how to
Speaker 1: be a calligrapher, calligrapher. I'd love to learn hip hop dance.
Speaker 1: I'd love to learn Italian. Is there something there that
Speaker 1: you're like? Okay, if I had a swath of time,
Speaker 1: I would love to pursue. We should talk about this
Speaker 1: one later. We could talk please, We'll talk about this
Speaker 1: one later. Yeah, like off mic no in an upcoming show.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about this. Okay. Reconnect with old friends. I'm
Speaker 1: very bad at this. I'm pretty good with this one. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so bad. I'm pretty I guess it has to
Speaker 1: do with grudges to take care of your parents. Parents.
Speaker 1: You do a good job with that. I do. I
Speaker 1: just saw mommage today. Actually nice. Update your wardrobe. We
Speaker 1: talked about that. Mentor someone I'm down to mentor somebody. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like doing it. Create a serious retirement plan. I
Speaker 1: think you investing. Yeah, I'm good. I'm good there, eat healthier.
Speaker 1: We've talked about embrace the change. Look, your reflexes are
Speaker 1: going to slow down your memory will start to fade.
Speaker 1: I've totally embraced this. Yeah, sure, yeah, I'm exercising. I'm
Speaker 1: not great with change. Trim all that extra hair. We've
Speaker 1: heard from you on the Manscaped dads. Sure, treat yourself.
Speaker 1: Is there a luxury item tie that you've an eyeballing for?
Speaker 1: I'm not good at this one. A midlife crisis, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Midlife crisis not so much. But treat yourself could take
Speaker 2: on many forms.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If I feel like you could treat
Speaker 1: yourself better, I could. I definitely. You haven't really traveled.
Speaker 1: I think that's the I think luxury travel is to
Speaker 1: treat yourself that you need to start travel. Make a
Speaker 1: man twenty five. I'm good.
Speaker 2: Stop procrastinating. I will never stop procrastinating. That's sort of nicemo.
Speaker 1: Go back to school. I'm cool. I'm good. I don't
Speaker 1: need that. Ease up on vices.
Speaker 2: I don't really have that many vices. Take dancing lessons.
Speaker 2: I took dancing lessons, actually be remembered. Before the wedding,
Speaker 2: we were gonna do We're gonna do a little dance,
Speaker 2: mm hmm. And then we called a hot route at
Speaker 2: the end because cage dress was way bigger than I.
Speaker 1: Oh. She had warned me.
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, like, it's been fun doing this as
Speaker 2: a couple. I'm glad we did this together. Had this
Speaker 2: moment right, there's no way we can do the dance
Speaker 2: and I was I was like, very dismissive, and she
Speaker 2: took exception to that. I was very dismissive. She's like, listen,
Speaker 2: listen this this dress is not going to support the day.
Speaker 2: And it didn't, so we didn't. We called it off
Speaker 2: at the last second.
Speaker 1: Wow, could you do it tonight? No? If need be,
Speaker 1: you don't have the muscle memory still, Nope, totally forgot it.
Speaker 1: If you're almost bald, you have a wonderful head of hair,
Speaker 1: shave your head. No, that does not apply to you.
Speaker 1: Start a skincare routine. I'm good. Do you have a humidifier?
Speaker 1: Do moisturize? I don't do any of that. Do wear sunscreen?
Speaker 1: Are you responsible at sunscreen type? Nope? Nope. I'm not
Speaker 1: really get serious about dental care.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty serious, but I'm a clencher and I'm a blinder,
Speaker 2: and I'm pretty sure right now at time of recording,
Speaker 2: I have another crack tooth. I did it last year.
Speaker 2: I think I did it again again this year through
Speaker 2: the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Are you a water picker, a flosser, electric toothbrush.
Speaker 2: I've got one of those quipped toothbrushes, which used to
Speaker 2: be a sponsor.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Yeah, they're very good.
Speaker 2: And I floss. Yeah, not as much as I should,
Speaker 2: but I do a good job. It's just I feel
Speaker 2: like the clenching is really grinding me away.
Speaker 1: It's fair. Did were you a bracest kid? I was? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely was. Yeah. Uh, stress relief, stress relief. Nah,
Speaker 1: I need to get better at that. What so you
Speaker 1: do take walks?
Speaker 2: I take sleep, though I know I don't. I'm not
Speaker 2: very good at sleep.
Speaker 1: You gotta start taking breaks too, I think you. I
Speaker 1: think meditation would serve you pretty well. I try to
Speaker 1: do them. I might have add I get bored. I
Speaker 1: try to meditate. Yeah, you'll get you can get past it.
Speaker 1: You guys got a practice. It's a practice.
Speaker 2: Make an archive of your life. We talked about that's
Speaker 2: very morbid.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wrote a memoir when I was ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, keep a journal. I'm I've tried. I just I
Speaker 2: can't keep with it.
Speaker 1: Support a cause you've done, start a business, you've done
Speaker 1: basic survival you probably haven't done. Haven't done? No, Were
Speaker 1: you a boy scout, no cub scout, anything like that?
Speaker 1: Same I was not either. Would you be okay? And
Speaker 1: like would you be okay in like a Sopranos pine barrens?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you watch Sopranos? Would would you
Speaker 1: be able to handle yourself if your car broke down
Speaker 1: in a forest and you needed to stay warm and
Speaker 1: you were like starving or crazy thirsty? Do you think
Speaker 1: you could make do until morning? Until morning? Yeah? Or
Speaker 1: maybe twenty four hours?
Speaker 2: Whatever I could last, I could last whatever the maximum
Speaker 2: threshold is for the human body before it starts to
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is I couldn't do anything on my own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would make it two hours. I would last
Speaker 1: as long as my body would allow. Master a handful
Speaker 1: of recipes. Check you've done it, this is your thing? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh man. I have a couple new projects in the
Speaker 1: works as well, food wise, non pizza. Wow. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's all I have, Tai. It's been an
Speaker 1: honor and a privilege, and honor and a privilege as
Speaker 1: the elder statesmen to the show. I appreciate this more
Speaker 1: mature discussion about where we're all headed super than later
Speaker 1: or or we we have people that listen that are
Speaker 1: older than forty, so if they want to weigh in
Speaker 1: on how to live your best forties for our dear
Speaker 1: boy Tie, that would be.
Speaker 2: I would appreciate that. Actually, I would appreciate some advice.
Speaker 2: Someone take me under their wing mentor me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, always ice, always always ice. Outside of always ice. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorr, I'm pretty pumped about. We're going to be
Speaker 2: ratcheting up a lot more so, I got Dan. I appreciate,
Speaker 2: I appreciate your candor in this discussion today.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm just trying. Now. Everybody that listened to
Speaker 1: the show at one point said, yeah, I wonder what
Speaker 1: TI's fantasy is. Yeah, I think it's right. And the
Speaker 1: thing is, you're you. I'm across as so rational and
Speaker 1: straight laced and dependable that it almost makes what that
Speaker 1: possibility is that much more electric. I'm Iowa, is what
Speaker 1: you're saying. I'm Iowa. Yeah, But then what is your
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen holiday ball where they go crazy against USC.
Speaker 2: I think that's where we leave it, Dan, Okay, don't forget.
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Speaker 2: the meantime, stay solid, peace,