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Speaker 1: Welcome to Tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey thereon

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Tech Stuff. I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm

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Speaker 1: an executive producer with iHeart Podcast Send How the tech

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Speaker 1: are you? It is time for the tech News, ending

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Speaker 1: on Friday, June twenty eighth, twenty twenty four. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be a very short episode. There wasn't that much

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Speaker 1: tech news. Most of the news in the United States

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Speaker 1: has revolved around the election cycle, and thankfully I have

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Speaker 1: nothing to contribute to that. So let's talk about some

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Speaker 1: tech news. And first up in the haven't We been

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Speaker 1: here before? Category, we have a story about Meta potentially

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Speaker 1: blocking news content on Facebook in Australia. Now, if that

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Speaker 1: does sound familiar to you, it's because this actually stems

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Speaker 1: from a twenty twenty one law that would require company

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Speaker 1: like Meta and Google to negotiate with news media companies

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Speaker 1: in order to allow the inclusion of the news company's

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Speaker 1: content on their digital platforms. The purpose of this law

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Speaker 1: is to quote help support the sustainability of public interest

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Speaker 1: journalism in Australia end quote, and the justification for the

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Speaker 1: law appeared to be the assertion that platforms like Facebook

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Speaker 1: can at least partly thank news media for the platform's popularity.

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Speaker 1: That because people can find news on social media, they

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Speaker 1: spend more time on social media platforms, and so therefore

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Speaker 1: Meta owes some of its revenue that it generates from

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Speaker 1: user engagement to the companies that are providing this content

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Speaker 1: that's being posted to Meta, whether you know Meta's doing

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Speaker 1: it or a user's doing it. Further, there's an argument

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Speaker 1: to be made that if people are just you know,

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Speaker 1: they're not going to click through. They don't go to

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Speaker 1: home website of that article doesn't receive a page impression

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Speaker 1: and though therefore it doesn't receive any ad revenue. So

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Speaker 1: the news media organizations are saying, you're benefiting from our

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Speaker 1: any of that ad revenue, and that has been part

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Speaker 1: of this whole argument. Initially, Meta blocked news sites on

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Speaker 1: eventually Meta backed off of that and negotiated with individual

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Speaker 1: Australian media sites, but those agreements expire this year and

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Speaker 1: Meta has already said it's not going to renew those agreements,

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Speaker 1: Australia rather than continue to pay for that privilege. Meta

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Speaker 1: reps have argued that news is not a major driver

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Speaker 1: news isn't going to have a negative impact on Facebook's numbers. Essentially,

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Speaker 1: for Facebook. So if Facebook says now we didn't allow

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Speaker 1: engagement if we're still doing just fine without you. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of Facebook's take on this. So the Australian government

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Speaker 1: I have no insight into that, but it does sound

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Speaker 1: these different media outlets. There's a lot more going on here.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversation to be had about this

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Speaker 1: It actually gives much more advantage to really large media

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Speaker 1: outlets that are already like multi billion dollar conglomerates. But honestly,

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Speaker 1: are other places, such as Canada that have explored similar policies.

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Speaker 1: version of themselves. Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg said quote, you

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Speaker 1: like finding out that a celebrity doesn't run their own

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Speaker 1: a celebrity, it just doesn't have the same pizazz. But

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe some fans would just be thrilled

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Speaker 1: but I'm not an expert. Maybe maybe there's nothing at

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Speaker 1: all wrong with that, but it just seems I don't know, icky,

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Speaker 1: But I can see this actually working better for businesses.

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Speaker 1: I can see that being much more effective. So let's

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Speaker 1: I did have a birthday this week. That's also in

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Speaker 1: don't really grock with this. Hackers have taken aim at

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Speaker 1: So our next story is about Tim Griffin, Arkansas's Attorney General,

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Speaker 1: Timu is dangerous malware that's posing as a shopping app,

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Speaker 1: and that Timu is really designed to quote gain unrestricted

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Speaker 1: want that to happen. So what Griffin is saying is

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Speaker 1: that's a heck of an accusation, and it's a really

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Speaker 1: report that was created by an organization called Grizzly Research.

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Speaker 1: I am unfamiliar with that group. TIMU reps are saying

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Speaker 1: that this report from Grizzly Research is all just misinformation

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Speaker 1: trying to essentially short sell Timu and that that's like,

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Speaker 1: that's what Grizzly Research does, is that they make money

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Speaker 1: you check out Ashley Bellinger's article about this on Ours Technica.

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Speaker 1: It's titled shopping app Timu is dangerous malware spying on

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Speaker 1: Bellinger did a great job laying out all the facts

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Speaker 1: Here is how TIMU is trying to refute those claims,

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Speaker 1: Lopato reveals how a startup AI company is taking shots

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