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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: wa with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, January tenth, twenty eighteen, Season thirteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number ninety nine. Welcome to another edition of The Break,

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Speaker 1: live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star.

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Speaker 1: We're talking Cowboys football, as we do every Wednesday here

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Speaker 1: on the Break. And how's everybody feel in this morning? Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling good? You are? Yep? Good? David? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: feel really good. Thanks, Derek, Yeah, you're good. I feel great, awesome.

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Speaker 1: I like that and happy to be back wonderful? Yeah? Great? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What are you happy to be back from our one

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Speaker 1: week break? Did we? I thought we did a show

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Speaker 1: last week? Do we not? I don't know. It feels like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we did a show last a show last week? One week.

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Speaker 1: Since one week, it's a one week break, it's not

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Speaker 1: really a break because we're not really no, it is.

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Speaker 1: We're not doing shows. It is a break. That's that's

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Speaker 1: what the show's called. Yeah, break, we're doing a break

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Speaker 1: right now. Let me rephrase Derek. All right, rephrase you

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Speaker 1: with the fellowship of this group. I'm happy to be here, man.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty pumped that Derek dropped me all the way

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Speaker 1: down from five podcasts a week to three in the

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Speaker 1: off season. Yeah, improvement, right, Yeah, you don't know what

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Speaker 1: from now, though, we might get that number back up

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Lord, No, I'm just playing. I did

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Speaker 1: hear that was your idea. It was like you were

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Speaker 1: to complain. Okay, good, but I'll do good. That's what

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Speaker 1: really really excited. Dave tweeted that he's going to do

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Speaker 1: about that. You haven't. Wow, that's the boy that actually

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Speaker 1: takes on a whole different connotation. It asked the boy.

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Speaker 1: I know, that's why Brian says it all the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's good. I like that boy. But if you haven't

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Speaker 1: Hellman is brilliant on that little summit. Hopefully get more

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Speaker 1: but you're already talking about maybe cutting Das to save

425
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Speaker 1: twelve million dollars. Beasley's in a contract year. Terrence's deal

426
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 1: it's frontloaded, which gives them an easy out after year

427
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Speaker 1: or two. Bryce is he's not technically with the team

428
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Speaker 1: right now. Switzer's a fourth round pick. Noah Brown's a

429
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: seventh round pick. Like, there's not a single receiver on

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Speaker 1: this team that they are tied to. The closest thing

431
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Speaker 1: is probably dead just because his contract is so big

432
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Speaker 1: that maybe you don't want to cut it. Does the

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Speaker 1: time make them tie make make make it to where

434
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 1: they're tied to Terence? Maybe more because of the time

435
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 1: that's still left on that. Yes, because they don't save

436
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Speaker 1: much with Terrence. I think Terrence is here through twenty eighteen,

437
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: but I mean he you know, if they want to

438
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Speaker 1: let him go after that, I really think that they

439
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Speaker 1: could if they were just like custom much hell been

440
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Speaker 1: on doing it. Yeah, okay, you know the issue obviously

441
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Speaker 1: we've talked about what Dez is. You save money, if

442
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Speaker 1: you cut Dez, that's fine, but you have to replace him,

443
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Speaker 1: and you got a factor of that in and how

444
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Speaker 1: do you do that? And if you if you just

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Speaker 1: want to say the draft, that's that's fine. But I

446
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: mean the draft is way in what a month and

447
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Speaker 1: a half after free agency, so you just were they

448
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Speaker 1: I know, they hate going into a draft, just just

449
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 1: like pigeonholed, like we've got to have a guy. Um. Well,

450
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: I mean, but you don't have to make the move

451
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Speaker 1: on Dez before draft, do you You're I think they

452
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Speaker 1: would be crazy to do anything with Dez until after

453
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Speaker 1: the draft. In my opinion, I think if you happen

454
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Speaker 1: to get that guy that you cover it at wide

455
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Speaker 1: receiver that you think could step in and immediately take

456
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Speaker 1: that that role. Then you make a decision, Hey, Dez,

457
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Speaker 1: we're either going to keep you and you're gonna take

458
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Speaker 1: a pay cut, or we're gonna cut you, and and

459
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Speaker 1: then it's kind of a decision that's made for you

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Speaker 1: by whatever Dez chooses to do. Right, And that's if

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Speaker 1: I remember correctly. The two guys that can recall that

462
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 1: have taken just a straight pay cut our Brandon Carr

463
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Speaker 1: and Doug Free. And I think that they waited on

464
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: both of those guys until a little bit later when

465
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Speaker 1: their options of you know, it's easy to be like,

466
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Speaker 1: I'll just get another team. But when the money drives up,

467
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: although for a guy like Dez the money will never

468
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Speaker 1: dry up. Money, it will be there will be a

469
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Speaker 1: team out there. He'll have put money together to say,

470
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Speaker 1: we're gonna go get Dez Brian if he if he

471
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Speaker 1: becomes available in July, there will be teams that put

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Speaker 1: something together to go and get him. Yeah right, I

473
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Speaker 1: mean that's just because of his name. There will be

474
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Speaker 1: teams that put something together to go get him, you know,

475
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Speaker 1: and maybe an offense that is more. You know, it's

476
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Speaker 1: kind of tailored towards him. Yeah, towards what he can do. Right,

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Speaker 1: let's go and take our first break. When we come back,

478
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about free agents. There's a whole list

479
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Speaker 1: of free agents the Cowboys have this year, and they're

480
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Speaker 1: gonna have to make decisions on all these guys. And

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Speaker 1: do with each of these free agents will be that

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Speaker 1: a Star. We're gonna talk a little free agency here.

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Speaker 1: Cowboys have a list of unrestricted free agents and restricted

527
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 1: free agents that are coming up this offseason that they're

528
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Speaker 1: going to have to make some decisions on. So what

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do is I want to go through

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Speaker 1: the list with you. Guys. I'm going to get ask

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Speaker 1: you for to give me one of three answers. I

532
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Speaker 1: want to nail you down one of three answers for

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Speaker 1: each one. Either keep them and that what I mean

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Speaker 1: by keep them is do whatever you have to do

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Speaker 1: to keep them. And I think there are one or

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Speaker 1: two on here that are on that list. Uh, there

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Speaker 1: is an option to say move on and just let

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Speaker 1: them go, don't worry about the price, just it's not working,

539
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Speaker 1: or for the right price, i'd have him back. All right,

540
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Speaker 1: does that make sense? I'm keep them move on or

541
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Speaker 1: for the right price, I'll have them back. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: answer all of these with the last one. All Right,

543
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Speaker 1: we'll see. Okay, we'll see Alfred Morse. No, you're not

544
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like, we'll see. Let's let's hold him

545
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Speaker 1: to that. Let's see move on, all right, move on

546
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: from Alfred Morse. Move on. Well, the first one, he's

547
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Speaker 1: just right out of the box, and I'm the other

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Speaker 1: end of this, right, I'm sorry, all right, Amber, move on? Yeah,

549
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: or I mean they could keep him the right prize,

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Speaker 1: what I would think they would just draft someone instead. Okay, yep,

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00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: I move on and but I but I addressed that position.

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00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: It needs to be addressed with a guy that you

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00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: think is capable, young guy that's you know, we've see

554
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: we see mid Ryan picks that are rookies that are

555
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: doing well in the Pro Bowl, you know, from small schools. Actually,

556
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Kareem Hunt. Uh see Kamara doing some

557
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: some great things. So he needs to be addressed for

558
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: sure some point in the draft. Just for the sake

559
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Speaker 1: of argument, do you guys give any difference to the

560
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Speaker 1: fact that he did have some moments this year where

561
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: he looked pretty good and having a veteran back there

562
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Speaker 1: maybe does that change your thoughts at all. It's got

563
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: nothing to do with Alfred Morris. Like, I mean, he's

564
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: he's the best guy in that locker room. He's like,

565
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: love him, veteran presence, good player. I think like if

566
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Speaker 1: he was the number one back here, I think he'd

567
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: be fine. He had some really outstanding moments during the

568
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Speaker 1: six week stretch. I thought he was fine. It's just

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Speaker 1: he's he's twenty nine. He's just crazy, Like that's old. Yeah,

570
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: that's old. But yeah, he's a solid player. He doesn't

571
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't he's not explosive, he doesn't do anything crazy.

572
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: He's not he doesn't offer you a receiver component or

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Speaker 1: you know, a game breaking component. Like he's a solid,

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Speaker 1: dependable back. I just think you can upgrade. Bring me

575
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Speaker 1: somebody that does something better than Zeke. I mean, you're

576
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: not gonna do everything better than Zeke or you'd be starting.

577
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: But give me somebody that's better, and you can get

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Speaker 1: a guy in the fifth, sixth round. I mean even

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Speaker 1: a Lance Dunbar type could have done something type, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but something better than him. Not to mention, Sorry, Zeke's

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00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: played twenty five games at this point. He's got twenty

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00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: six hundred rushing yard. He's a vet, he's the veteran. Yeah,

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00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: you're right about that, I said. As as I was

584
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: asking that question, I thought to myself, Well, Zeke's now

585
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Speaker 1: a veteran. He's in year three. All right, Bryce Butler,

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00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: keep him move on or for the right price, for

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00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: the right price, keep him for the right price. I'm

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Speaker 1: doing that one, okay, I move on, Move on, I

589
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Speaker 1: don't think. I mean, had they want to do something

590
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Speaker 1: with him, you would have seen him more involved this

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Speaker 1: year and even last year. So move on. The NFL.

592
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: The NFL leader this year in yards per catch, I

593
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Speaker 1: believe was Marvin Jones out of Detroit. And you have

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Speaker 1: to have so many catches to qualify for it. I

595
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: don't know if it's thirty forty whatever. He led the

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Speaker 1: league with eighteen eighteen point nine. Yeah, he really had

597
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Speaker 1: a good year. The Bryce Butler had twenty one yards

598
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Speaker 1: per catch now only on fifteen catches, but that is

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Speaker 1: that's not just one catch. I mean James Hannah had

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Speaker 1: twenty five he leagues the team still fifteen catches. It's

601
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: a smaller sample size, but it's enough to show that

602
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: you're big play, especially when that number would lead the league.

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00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: That just shows me that he's got something that the

604
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Speaker 1: rest of the team doesn't have in big in big

605
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: play potential. Now, if the league's rest of the leag

606
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Speaker 1: sees it and pays him a lot of money, great,

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Speaker 1: because he just said it in the locker room. He's

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Speaker 1: not going to take him. He's not gonna do it

609
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: early like he did last year or just signed before.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna at least test the water. That may not

611
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Speaker 1: be a great thing for him, but for the right price,

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Speaker 1: I would keep him. Veteran guy, big, big receiver, plays

613
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Speaker 1: big at times, plays fast at times. I would would

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Speaker 1: I just I just look at it from a number standpoint.

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Speaker 1: Do we all agree that the talent needs to be

616
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Speaker 1: upgraded at wide receiver? Yeah? Where's that? Where's that coming from?

617
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Speaker 1: Somebody's got to go right, And I honestly think that

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Speaker 1: that's probably a move that happens if Dez is not here?

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Speaker 1: What is you? You resigned Bryce? You keep Terrence? If

620
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Speaker 1: you if you cut Dez and then you have to

621
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Speaker 1: draft someone. But at least you go into a season,

622
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: which that scares me. That scares me a lot. I

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Speaker 1: think that just that, and that I'm not certain that

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Speaker 1: that the results will bear out any different. I'm just

625
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: saying that scares me. Not having a legitimate, at least

626
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Speaker 1: even in just make a legitimate number one threat that

627
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: teams have to take like that, that would go against

628
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: their mo so much in my opinion, in terms of

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Speaker 1: how they approached the draft, like that. They they identify

630
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Speaker 1: their problem spots, they paper over them as best they

631
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: can in free agency, and then they try to hit

632
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Speaker 1: the home run that really fills the hole in the draft.

633
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: But will they continue with that same model, because I

634
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: think there's been at least some evidence that maybe that

635
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: doesn't work. There's plenty of evidence that it doesn't work.

636
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Speaker 1: But can we I mean, even as bad as he

637
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: was last year, would we all agree does as their

638
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: best receiver? You're gonna get rid of him before, I like,

639
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: before addressing the problem in the draft. You're just gonna

640
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: say we don't need you. That doesn't make sense to me,

641
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: because what I mean, what if it doesn't fall the

642
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: way you want it to in the draft. What if

643
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: the guy you wants not there, or what if you

644
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: don't upgrade the position, then you're up the creek. I

645
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: just I would be shocked if they did something like that.

646
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: Listening to the Draft show. I listened to the Draft show.

647
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: There was a there was some talk about the wide

648
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: receiver group and that it should be a deeper class

649
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: this year, particularly second round, third round. Any of those

650
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: guys you think would be good enough that even taking

651
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: a flower on him, that next year you could plug

652
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: them in and they could potentially be your number one. Yes,

653
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: bring me the aggie. He's first round though, right, I

654
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: don't care. Bring it's I think it's too soon to say.

655
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: But there's yeah, there's there's a scene there at nineteen

656
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk I'm talking about. I don't know like ill

657
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: made his board yet. I don't make a board anyway.

658
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm well, I don't kill for me because I know

659
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't like to pretend like I'm a scout. I

660
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: let him do the scouting. I'm there to offer you

661
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: analysis and cowboys insight and he's the scout. Like I

662
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: don't like to pretend like I've ever sat in a

663
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: draft room, there are there are people on draft that's

664
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: healthy to do that. That's health because because you know,

665
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: you got mel Kayper doing his thing and miss Shake

666
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: comes in and says, this is what I do, and

667
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: that's day was like, I'm not trying to I will

668
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: watch the guy and tell you if I think he's

669
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: good or not. I'm not going to try to project

670
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: his grade or any because that's not your thing. I

671
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: think it's disingenuous. I got you, um, but there's about

672
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: even having watched just a handful, there's definitely five or

673
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: six guys that I think could be this team's number

674
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: one receiver. But again next year though, that's the key.

675
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: Like sometimes when you're going from the first round a

676
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: second round, it's because they're not quite ready. I think

677
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: there are guys that come with that. I just thought

678
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: of this. If you're going to draft a second round corner,

679
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: a third round corner, in a sixth round corner, and

680
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna get scandricked act in the way he did

681
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: after the draft, can you imagine a first round receiver

682
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: and how Daz is gonna respond, and that's how all

683
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: of them will respond. I think I don't think there'll

684
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: be a lot of them. They'll be looking at this like, oh,

685
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: that's a good things, that's a no. That's a hell

686
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: of a counter argument. Because I've said a number of

687
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: times what I would do is draft the future now,

688
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: keep dazz around, worry about it next year. You could argue,

689
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, what's Daz's reaction to that over the course

690
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: of nine months where or well, and I could see

691
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: that where that that really spurs him like all right, show, Yeah,

692
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: I would. I can see that that would be the ideal.

693
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: But do players always react that way when these types

694
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: of things happen. I don't know. They react well when

695
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: it's a contract. To your good point and this point

696
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: of a contract, the main point being I would. I

697
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: think there are receivers who can do that. I would

698
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: not want to go into a draft knowing that I

699
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: have to get one or else I'm screwed. That's a

700
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: terrible way to approach a draft. And people now know.

701
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: Other teams now know, Okay, at this spot they're going

702
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: for a wide receiver. If I want one, I need

703
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: to jump ahead of them. If I want this guy,

704
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: and that's not good for you, right, all right, let's

705
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: move on. Let's talk about Byron Bell. Keep him, move

706
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: on or for the right price. For the right price,

707
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: probably I think they need to sign a swing tackle

708
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 1: and free agency, I can't imagine. I mean, I would

709
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: imagine for the money they're going to spend, he's about

710
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: as good as you could expect to get for the

711
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they're not going to hand out

712
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: a thirty million dollar contract to a number three tackle.

713
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: So if not him, then another guy who would probably

714
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: cost them six hundred thousand to a million dollars. I

715
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: like for the right price, because really, when you go,

716
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: you you think on a game day, he puts on

717
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: a helmet in the uniforms, that's four backup spots right there.

718
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: He is a backup to four different linemen other than

719
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: Frederick anybody he could play that spot, and that's very valuable.

720
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: For the right price, I would love to have him back. Okay, uh,

721
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: Jonathan Cooper, keep him, move on or right price? I

722
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: say keep, but I'm saying that thinking that his market's

723
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: not going to be amazing, like and it's so hard

724
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: to predict that. I mean somebody wants to offer him

725
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: a boatload of money, then let him go. But I

726
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: gotta believe you can get him back. And then what though, price?

727
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: What what I mean? I think I think you have

728
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: to play that that domino effect of like, Okay, if

729
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: we don't have him, what are we doing? Then maybe

730
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: the next guy's a guy's a guy on the list. Yeah, Um,

731
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: Joe Looney is who I'm talking about. Yeah, I think

732
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: you gotta have one of those two guys, don't you.

733
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: You need you need to sign one of those again.

734
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: You need to not be going into the draft needing

735
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: a starting guard. He told me that he is going

736
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: into free agency. They're looking at starting center positions. He

737
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: is going to try to be on the starting center. Yep.

738
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: And he's here and he said that, he said, I

739
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm behind the best one in the league in his opinion,

740
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: and hopefully I've learned from you know, I mean he

741
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: but but he said, I would love to be back

742
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: if if it works. He's a he's a different guy.

743
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: He's really a fun everyone loves, you know, he's really jolly,

744
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: and he's really good for the locker room. But he's

745
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: a little different because he said this year was a

746
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Last year it wasn't really that fun.

747
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: But this year was a lot of fun. And I'm

748
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: thinking your definition of fun seems a little backwards. But

749
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: he but he was just talking about, you know, going

750
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: to war in the trenches with these guys and just

751
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: in just how every game was playoff mentality style, and um,

752
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: he wants to be here, but I don't think you

753
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: can do. How many of these backup guys do you need? Now, Belle?

754
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: But Cooper. If Cooper signs, he's the starter, right, I

755
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: would assume, you know, Luney reminds me. If he reminds

756
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: me of Cal Closer. He's never gonna be the greatest guy.

757
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: But I think he's very, very solid, and I think

758
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: in the right situation, I think he could be a

759
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: good contributing guard for you as a starter. So I

760
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: would if I couldn't sign Cooper, if the money just

761
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: didn't make sense, I would actually make an effort. Now, again,

762
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: that's assuming that he's willing to take a job where

763
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: he's going to be presumably the starting guard versus being

764
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: a starting center. But I would really consider I'm moving on.

765
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm nervous about the fact that they had an open

766
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: competition for the left guard spot last summer, and Looney

767
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: wasn't part of it. Like they just were so certain

768
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: in that evaluation that they didn't even really give him.

769
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: But was that also because they looked at it as

770
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: we need to have a solid backup center option and

771
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: he's he serves a better role for us being a

772
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: backup to all three of those positions rather than being

773
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: a starter at guard. Maybe. But I move on because

774
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: when you think about when Lyle Collins was thrown in

775
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: there as a rookie, did he do pretty good job? Yeah? Yeah?

776
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: And then when Leary came in, he did really well.

777
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: And then Cooper came in and it took a little

778
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: to beat out of Chas Green, but when he did,

779
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: he did really well. I kind of think if the

780
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: unless the money's if the money's right, I'm fine with that.

781
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: But I mean, whoever you put in is probably gonna

782
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: be Okay. Let me ask you this, did the offensive

783
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: line play up to the standard that you thought they

784
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: had set this season? No, you're right, and they stepped

785
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: back from Leary and so, And what I'm even saying is,

786
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: I think the more you keep turning over that position

787
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: any position. The more you keep turning over positions on

788
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: this line, I think you're kind of shooting yourself in

789
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 1: the foot from the standpoint of building continuity and helping

790
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: this line be the best that it can be. Yes,

791
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: you've got great parts, and so that means that whoever

792
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: you plug in there is probably gonna be better than

793
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: they would be on another line. But it's still for

794
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: an overall line. I think you want to start building

795
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: some continent and for those spots now you feel pretty

796
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: good about where you are at least for next year,

797
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: probably the year after. But that guard spot, if you

798
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: can keep that one the same, I think there's some

799
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: value to that. I sincerely hope that that John and

800
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: I mean obviously he wants to have a great market, kudos,

801
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: go go get what you can. But for the cowboy's sake,

802
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: I hope that Jonathan Cooper's market is pretty manageable, because

803
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: it would it makes a lot of sense to have

804
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: him back. I just I hope it's cost feasible. All right,

805
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: let's go to the next one. DeMarcus Lawrence, keep him,

806
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: move on or write price on. Keep him? Yeah, keep him,

807
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: whatever it takes, doesn't matter. You got over takes. You've

808
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: been waiting forever to get a guy that branched back

809
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: at this rate, that's the guy you want. Although you

810
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: look at it, and you know, people talk to me

811
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: about this all the time. They're looking at roughly twenty

812
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: million in cap space. Seventeen of that will go to

813
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: d Law if they have to tag him and they

814
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: can't get a deal done. There's other stuff they can

815
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: do to free up space. You can cut guys, you

816
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: can restructu your contracts, but you're talking about messing with

817
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: your cap if you're doing that, and so I don't

818
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: know if it's realistic, but it would be great if

819
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: they could sign him to a deal that would push

820
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: his cap hit down, you know, and tag him temporarily

821
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: and then can take work on a Yeah, I'm just

822
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: saying it. It greatly affects their cap space if they

823
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: have to just leave him on the tap. But you know,

824
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: the question then comes back, has he done enough to

825
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: warrant that kind of deal. I mean, he's had a good,

826
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: really good season. He had a great season. He had

827
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: a great season. Um but but again, you know, and

828
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: the Cowboys typically their track record is is one great

829
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: season will lead to that and because for whatever the reason,

830
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: and we saw it with Miles Austin, we saw it

831
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: with Tony Romo, we saw it with Doug Free, these

832
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: guys that took a while to finally have that breakout

833
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: year for whatever the reason. And then it's like, you

834
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: only got a smaller sample size that we're gonna go

835
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: with this. It makes sense to franchise him if you

836
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: could afford it. Would you say that DeMarcus Lawrence has

837
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: had good seasons in the past, or at least good

838
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: moments that that showed you that this that what he

839
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: did this year was very much likely or possible for him. Yeah,

840
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: he had to. He had that stretch there at the

841
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: end of that fifteen season I guess where he had

842
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: seven sacks in eight games or something like that. Yeah,

843
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: he's had some moments. And the reason why I asked

844
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: that is because I think that it's one thing when

845
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: you have a guy that it's his contract year and

846
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: he flashes and he does things that he'd never done before.

847
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't think I put DeMarcus Lawrence in that category.

848
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: Maybe he hasn't done it consistently throughout an entire season

849
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: because of injury, because of suspension, whatever, it is. He

850
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to do it for an entire sixteen games.

851
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: But I do think that what we saw this year

852
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: was just a continuation, in my opinion, of what we've

853
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: kind of seen from him throughout his career. Yeah. The

854
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: tricky part here is is what's what's the tag? Sixteen, seventeen,

855
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: seventeen and then so when they get a four or

856
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: five year deal, they're gonna want seventeen, you know, per

857
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: because that's what the franchise tag is. But that ain't

858
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: gonna happen. That's the hopefully that's the problem of the

859
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: open market. I mean, Olivier Vernon's resume was awfully comparable

860
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: to what he has done so far, and he got

861
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: eighty million dollars or whatever it was from the Giants,

862
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: and it's how many years on that deal? Yeah, four

863
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: or five? I don't It's just it's a lot. I mean,

864
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones says it all the time. You pay good

865
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866
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Speaker 1: they're good, like you're just you're overpaying when you get

867
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Speaker 1: into those situations, you know, and DeMarcus that situation really

868
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Speaker 1: might have an effect on what happens with death. Could

869
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: it affect what happens with Zach? You gotta sign him,

870
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: I know you do, but well, but that means you

871
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Speaker 1: got like two coming up here in the next couple

872
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,200
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873
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: Signing Zach would actually be good for your bottom line.

874
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: Right he's about to be He's got one year left

875
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: on his deal, which is set to pay him something

876
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Speaker 1: like ten because it's the option year, so you can

877
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Speaker 1: you can sign him that not that hit your cap

878
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Speaker 1: to hit lower his salary for twenty seven or twenty

879
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: eighteen to like a million dollars or whatever. So that

880
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: would actually be put a lot of it in bonus.

881
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: It would be good for your big picture if you

882
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: But but to franchise, to franchise DeMarcus Lawrence, that means

883
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,480
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884
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Speaker 1: right lesson you have out yeah a million, yeah, something

886
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888
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889
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890
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: But that's going to come to an end at some

891
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Speaker 1: move on. Let's uh, let's go on. Let's finish our

952
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: list of free agents here. Um, we talked about DeMarcus

953
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: Lawrence last. Let's talk about Anthony Hitchins. He's another guy

954
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: that if you if you knock out DeMarcus Lawrence, in

955
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: my opinion, he is the next most important guy to

956
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: make a decision on because of what he means at

957
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,479
Speaker 1: the position where he is and how well he played

958
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: this year. So would you keep him, you move on,

959
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: or you get him back at the right price. Bump bump,

960
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: but um, bump bump but um. There are a lot

961
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: of people. But if the price is right, there you go.

962
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: If the price is right, I would love to have

963
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: him back. I love Anthony Hitchins. I think he's so underrated.

964
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: I think he was great this year. He can play

965
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: all three linebacker positions. Not only do I think he's

966
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: going to be awfully hard to keep because of the price,

967
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: but in his heart of hearts, where he'd never say

968
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: it on the record, does he want to be back here?

969
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: Because if he comes back, he's it's as a platoon guy.

970
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: It's I mean, you're not relegating Jalen Smith too. You're

971
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: splitting reps there, You're not just relegating him to the bench.

972
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: And obviously the team's preference also, if he's up to it,

973
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 1: is that Jalen starts at Mike. That's what they want

974
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: to happen. So and plays on special I mean, I

975
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: mean plays in nicol. Do you want to come in

976
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: here and be like, well, I'm either Jalen's insurance policy

977
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: or a guy that can split reps with him. That's

978
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: what you're signing on to be. And as a competitor

979
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: and a guy who's been pretty damn productive as a

980
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: starter in this league, I feel like he'd probably rather

981
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: go somewhere where they're like, you're our Mike or our Will,

982
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: whatever you want to be, You're gonna be our starting guy.

983
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: You're gonna be a key piece of our defense. Does

984
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: he look at it, though, and say, know that between

985
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: Jalen and Sean, not only how they rotate, but also

986
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: looking at Sean's injury history, Sure, I'm gonna get some opportunities.

987
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: So you put the three of them together and they're

988
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: all gonna get a lot a significant amount of playing.

989
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: If I were him, I would I would go. I

990
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: agree with what Dave says, I would go, and I

991
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: would probably look at a three four defense. Really, yep,

992
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: I'd be an inside guy in a three four scheme.

993
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: I think those big guys, you get somebody with some

994
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: big tackle, some one techniques that can kind of cover

995
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: up and let him go run and make plays. If

996
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: I were him, that's what I would I would be

997
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: focused on. I think for the right price, you keep them.

998
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: But you know, you guys said it just now. I

999
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: mean the priority is if if Jalen Smith is there,

1000
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: Sean leaves there, that those are your two guys. It's

1001
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: just the scheme doesn't really call for it. And I

1002
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: think it makes more sense for the cow And again,

1003
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: for the millionth time, I think the world of hitchings,

1004
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: but I think it makes more sense for them draft

1005
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: a guy and whatever he has no saying what you do,

1006
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: even if he's a first round pick, you platoon him.

1007
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: He's here for four years. He can be your successor

1008
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: to Sean Lee at the will, or he can be

1009
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: your insurance policy for Jalen at the MIC. He can

1010
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: be whatever. I mean, the guy that keeps getting thrown out.

1011
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: There is Roquan Smith. I don't know if that's either.

1012
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's realistic. And if you get

1013
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: a guy like that, you're not platooning it. He's got

1014
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: to play, right said Well, no, see, I disagree. I

1015
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Speaker 1: just you find you find time for him. And between

1016
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Speaker 1: between all the different sub packages you can run and

1017
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: the fact that you can't one hundred percent count on

1018
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: either of your starters, I don't think that's a big deal.

1019
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: I think you'll find a way to use a guy

1020
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Speaker 1: who's good enough to be a first round pick. I'm

1021
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: not worried about that. But as a draft pick, you're

1022
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: given a lot more flexibility I think than if pay

1023
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: whoever you again has to be able to play whenever needed,

1024
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: like not this rookie guy that needs some time to

1025
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: growth and give him some little reps here and there,

1026
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: and we need to see a development a guy that

1027
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: is ready because we I don't know when um Sean

1028
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: Lee will go down. We don't know about Jalen Smith health. No,

1029
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: I agree, But well, the issue here at linebacker two

1030
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: is the fact that's drafted somebody a couple of years

1031
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: ago that's been very insignificant and and you know, when

1032
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: you think about Damien Wilson, we said this other day.

1033
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: I don't forgot who I said this in the press

1034
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Speaker 1: bucks too. When you think about the three things that

1035
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: come to mind first about Damien Wilson, what are they? Well,

1036
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Speaker 1: mainly the year okay, are mainly the arrest rest you know,

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Speaker 1: rest you're gonna I don't. I don't thaintball ran somebody

1038
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 1: and gave up an a six yard game winning touchdown

1039
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: to C. J. Spiller. I knew only play he played.

1040
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna bring up the Spiller thing.

1041
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: I don't think about that as often because that was

1042
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: that was his rookie year and it was I but

1043
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: I think about that, but that has nothing else. Yes,

1044
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the first touchdown. He like a balance, right,

1045
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: you got the negative, but where's the positive that makes

1046
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: you forget about the negative. And that's I think the

1047
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: point that Nick masive when you said his name, I

1048
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, like he's a guy, seriously forget. Yes,

1049
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: it's funny too because I think of him and Hitch

1050
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: together all the time because they're both big ten guys.

1051
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: They were both taken in the middle fourth round uh

1052
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: and Hitchins. I mean, Hitchins is out done with year

1053
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: four and even even after year three. I mean, he

1054
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: was a starter. He started all sixteen games as a rookie.

1055
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: He's played in all three spots. It just hasn't materialized

1056
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: that way for Wilson, even though I think their draft

1057
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: number was like within five spots of each other. Yeah,

1058
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: and that was like one twenty seven and Wilson was

1059
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: like one twenty nine. Athletically, well, you know, Wilson is

1060
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: I think a much better athlete. He seems to be.

1061
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: He may not have these may have the instincts and

1062
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: all that stuff, but him, he's got a good athletic ability.

1063
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: It just hasn't worked for him. And you would think

1064
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: that he would be coming on here and there would

1065
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: be no issues with Hitchens goes to free agency. They

1066
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: drafted Jalen Sean Lee and they got a guy like

1067
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: Damian Wilson, but because he hasn't developed, right, I do

1068
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: in the same vein though. All right, let's say you

1069
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: can't afford to keep hitch it sounds great to draft

1070
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: a linebacker. That's something I would want to do, but again,

1071
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: in keeping with their strategy, that's probably something you want

1072
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: to sign somebody, even if it's just like a Jasper

1073
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: Brinkley type. I mean, he didn't even play it down,

1074
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: but they signed a guy to cover their bases, and

1075
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: so I went, let's see who the special teams coaches.

1076
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: If it's somebody that comes in, because we've seen before

1077
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: Sachi comes in, he really wants a guy like Andrew

1078
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 1: gash Car or something like that, they'll they'll have somebody

1079
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: will if they bring someone from the outside in. There

1080
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: now a name dimension on these coaches to kind of go.

1081
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: Keith O'Quinn has been around for a while, kind of

1082
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: similar on a flip side to um Will McClay because

1083
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: he started out in scouting and went to coaching where

1084
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 1: we're flip Will did the opposite. But he's been around.

1085
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: He's had several roles. He's the assistant special teams coach.

1086
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: He's in line for the special team coordinating job, and

1087
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: he's been talked about it for tight ends coach, so

1088
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: which he almost had two or three years ago when

1089
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 1: that was available. So he'll be included in this somehow.

1090
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly where, but um, I'm just saying,

1091
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: when you the special teams coach might have a say

1092
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: in those backup linebackers spots because they're really a core

1093
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: players to special teams. I can't help but think about

1094
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: Terrence when we talk about this too, though, because I was.

1095
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: I spent all offseason just like about sat wave By

1096
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: to Terrence Williams. Somebody's gonna pay him too much, so

1097
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: never never, you never know. It'll depend on what the

1098
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: market says. But I just I think the world of

1099
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchins, and I think somebody else will think enough

1100
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: of him to do Hey him, Kyle wilbur keep him

1101
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: move on, right price. I think it's time to move on.

1102
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think there's a good chance

1103
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: that he's an Oakland Raider at some point this year

1104
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: because of Pisaccia. That's where Bisacci is going. That's who

1105
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: loves him the most. He's a really good special teams play,

1106
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 1: a great special teams player. But I mean, I don't

1107
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: know that that's worth another contract. And I like him too,

1108
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: like he's good. He's probably made a very He's made

1109
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: a bigger impact on more games than Damian Wilson has

1110
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: in the same amount of time. I mean, he's made

1111
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: he's a point he's good for a game changing special

1112
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: teams play or two per year. Like he's a good

1113
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 1: core special teams guy. His role on defense has gone

1114
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: down as the years have gone by, though, Like I

1115
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: think this year, I don't know that he played more

1116
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: than a dozen defensive snaps, And I just don't know

1117
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: if that's worth another contract when you can just go

1118
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: draft a guy to do that, and maybe he won't

1119
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: be as good right away, But yeah, I'm I'm not

1120
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: worried about bringing him back. All right. There are a

1121
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: couple other understrick of reagents we need to hit real quick,

1122
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: Banabian Wickery and LP Latticer. How would you feel about

1123
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: those two guys. I just don't see any reason why

1124
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: LP has shown that he is slowing down and literally

1125
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: because yes, he's had great snaps again, you know, he's

1126
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: the most consistent player on the team. When it comes

1127
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: to doing his job, he does it well. But he's

1128
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: been in the league fifteen years. Part of snapping on

1129
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: punts is running down there and making tackle and all that,

1130
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: and they what do they give up fifty five yards?

1131
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: He's certainly not a liability. He recovered a fumble down there.

1132
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 1: He's always involved I mean he's he's not slowing down,

1133
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: and he is as good as at his job as

1134
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: anybody else. I guess, for the right price. I just

1135
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: don't see him. I think he wants to play twenty years. Um,

1136
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: we're thirteen. No, that's not true. I don't think he

1137
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: said twenty years. He didn't. That's what that would be.

1138
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: Seven more years doing that. It's a lot. Now, I don't.

1139
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see that. The only reason I

1140
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: guess the witness say twenty years. The only reason I

1141
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: could think of not to have him back is if

1142
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: he just doesn't want to play anymore, like if he

1143
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: just wants to call it a career. And I don't

1144
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case. I think I don't

1145
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: think if you don't have a long snapper problem, don't

1146
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: create one. Yeah, it's kind of the mantra now, of course.

1147
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: And I don't think long snappers get in the habit

1148
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: of like really negotiating hard, like they need this really

1149
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 1: big contract. I think it's kind of written on the will,

1150
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: here's what you get paid for the most part. I

1151
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: think that yea of an easy negotiation. So I would

1152
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: think if that's the case, no, reason not to help

1153
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: him back, right, I think they do like the guy

1154
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: they they brought in for two years, is it Zach

1155
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: would Yeah, I think that they like him. I'm pretty

1156
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: sure he's with another team now. That's at one point

1157
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: this season. I don't keep tabs on other teams long snappers,

1158
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: but at one point this season, three of LP's understudies

1159
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: were on teams. Yeah, and like, uh, there, that doesn't count,

1160
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: John Condo, you're not. No, I'm talking about guys in

1161
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: the time that the crier Wood was another one, and

1162
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: then um, I'm sorry, Yeah, but like there were two

1163
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: or three guys that had gotten jobs just from being

1164
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: his backup in training camp, you know, and that and

1165
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: that again special teams coach will come in and see.

1166
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: But I just don't see how you mess with that.

1167
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: But is that one of those that you get a

1168
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: little worry about again with Bosaccio leaving that he likes

1169
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: him enough to where he goes out and makes a

1170
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: pitch for him, and he likes posacci so he goes Yeah,

1171
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: but he was here way before Pisaccio. Guy, I get it.

1172
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm just just for question's sake, his family's here, like

1173
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: he owns you know, he's say, walks around here looking

1174
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: like he's pretty good. He's pretty good. Just getting here,

1175
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: you with your vibes again, munching on something. It's always building.

1176
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: He's set up here like he's got he's got kids

1177
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 1: and and you know, you would think he'd want to stay.

1178
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: I would be surprised if he was like looking for

1179
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: a way out, especially to go sign up with a

1180
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,479
Speaker 1: team that's going to change cities in a couple of years.

1181
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: I don't know that would surprise me. All Right, we

1182
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys join us. We're back next week on

1183
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: Wednesday for another edition of The Break. Till then for

1184
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: Nicki even Dave helm At Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagleton.

1185
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,960
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00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:49,640
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