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Speaker 2: Pulled in by Wilson for a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Touchdown Kyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 4: Oh that was nasty right there.

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Speaker 3: Rights slam the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 3: He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 2: I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just can't quite comprehend that. Aj Brown gets

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Speaker 2: us attention for having a book on the sideline. If

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Speaker 2: you've ever been down on the sideline, you know books

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Speaker 2: are everywhere. You know, there's always a good moment to learn.

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Speaker 2: The one that I've been working on this year, Darren,

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Speaker 2: this might be good for you as well. Learning leadership

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Speaker 2: is the self help book that I've been relying on

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Speaker 2: quite a bit. On the sideline here in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four campaign, you're.

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Speaker 5: Completely blocking your face from the camera.

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Speaker 2: Most people will say that's an asset. The primary instrument

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Speaker 2: for leaders is the self. Did you know that that

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Speaker 2: authentic leadership flows from the inside out according to this

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Speaker 2: book here?

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Speaker 4: And that sounds very lonely, Paul.

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Speaker 2: Darren. I mean, come on, there's different chapters here. You

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Speaker 2: know that could be invaluable, you know.

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Speaker 4: Jim Murphy fan Now fundamental one.

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Speaker 2: Believe you can. Believing that you can lead is essential

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Speaker 2: to developing your leadership skills and abilities. There's that.

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Speaker 5: Do you believe that you can lead? Yes or no?

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Speaker 4: Yes? But here's my question.

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Speaker 5: Don't lack of confidence?

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Speaker 4: I believe it, damn it? Do? Do I need a

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Speaker 4: book to tell me that?

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Speaker 2: You know? This might be a good time? Chapter nine,

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Speaker 2: it's not just about you, Darren?

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Speaker 4: Okay, show that chapter. My name is not on the

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Speaker 4: It stops after not just about you?

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Speaker 5: Why don't you read that and then give us the

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Speaker 2: Version says invariably the answer we get to the question

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Speaker 2: how do you define leadership? How do you identify leaders?

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Speaker 2: It's real simple. They have followers.

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Speaker 5: Well, I do follow at cards Chatter, so that would the.

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Speaker 4: Reality is, if you guys are told to follow me,

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Speaker 4: you really don't have much of a choice.

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Speaker 5: The unfortunate.

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Speaker 2: That's good leadership right there.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's being transparent and realistic. Okay, Jim Murphy,

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Speaker 4: are you're a Jim Murphy fan?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 2: Never heard of Jim Murphy and the other day Right

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Speaker 2: by the way, that last nament my Darren would be

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Speaker 2: chapter twelve, Get Gritty and Stay hearty. That would be

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Speaker 2: Darren putting the gritty into get gritty right there.

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Speaker 5: So I like the chapter names.

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Speaker 4: No, no Philadelphia conversations here, that's that Gerson.

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Speaker 5: You should get reimbursed.

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Speaker 4: Pretty is not allowed.

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Speaker 5: You should get reimbursed for getting that book. Paul teaching

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Speaker 2: Okay, full disclosure, because you know we are a fact

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Speaker 2: Never want to mislead to find viewers or listeners that

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Speaker 2: it actually belongs to Swim Insecurity upstairs. And I actually

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Speaker 4: Just thought the inner excellence, the the aforementioned book that

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Speaker 2: Does AJ Brown get a cut of that?

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Speaker 5: You were allowed to have a book on the sideline.

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Speaker 4: Was a very engaged tweet. Let me tell you.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I didn't remember that because I follow

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Speaker 2: chapter eight. Who you are isn't who you will be.

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Speaker 2: That's uh, that's that's chapter eight.

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Speaker 5: So you go through Slim's book on the ground being

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Speaker 5: nice with Slim's book, it's so all right, there we go.

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Speaker 2: Darren is prepared for the cold weather before we get

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Speaker 5: I like that, Jack of it's been football weather.

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Speaker 4: In the az Uh, try and be fashionable around.

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Speaker 5: I can feel it.

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Speaker 5: Danny, I am on the upswing. It's been a whole

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Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I'm starting to come down with something.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, come on now, it's not for me. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the precautions to protect. And that's not even part

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Speaker 5: So does that mean you are putting cheeto in a sweater?

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Speaker 5: You know, as we record this on Tuesday is National

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Speaker 2: All right, here we go, It's time to roll up

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Speaker 2: the sleeves on net. Is this really a thing?

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Speaker 5: I mean, yes, people dress their pets, mostly dogs.

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Speaker 2: But can it really be honored with it and celebrated with.

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Speaker 2: Something as heinous is dressing up your own pet.

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Speaker 5: So that's to No, you don't put cheeto in a sweater.

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Speaker 5: Corrections? If you live somewhere cold, I think it's adorable

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Speaker 5: getting nods to disapproval from my two co hosts over here.

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Speaker 5: You know what I also really love though, So I've

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Speaker 5: So those are the exceptions if it's it's weather related

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Speaker 4: But I did that way too many times. Because you

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Speaker 5: I love the videos to you of when the pets

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Speaker 2: get it. Beyond that, putting your pet in some sort

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Speaker 2: I mean, are are you not removing all that?

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Speaker 5: It's just for a photoop.

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Speaker 2: It's like your pet has had all its dignity removed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, right there on the spot, you know, something like.

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Speaker 5: That Halloween costume nearon.

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Speaker 2: The only thing worse than dressing up your pet is

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Speaker 2: when people refer to themselves as pet parents.

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Speaker 5: I agree on that one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: And the third person like a pet dad, a dog dad,

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Speaker 2: or oh my goodness, please agree.

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Speaker 4: Okay, where do we I know I'm going to offend

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Speaker 4: that kind of feel like they're yeah, okay, maybe I

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Speaker 5: Disagree. It's not the same thing, the same not the

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Speaker 5: same thing. Responsibility.

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Speaker 4: It is a responsibility, not the same responsibility is a responsibility,

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Speaker 2: Like you should be able to make a citizen's arrest

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Speaker 2: with a pet owner who is who has dressed their

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Speaker 5: I take it. Neither of y'all have ever seen somebody

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Speaker 2: We have several those folks that are in our neighborhood. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure somewhere at the team shop there was Cardinals

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Speaker 2: I'm buying myself some time. Okay, here you go. Here's here's.

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Speaker 2: I saw a lot of adults stressed up in uh

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Speaker 4: I'm going to give that a eight point five out

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Speaker 2: I saw two Fran tarking in jerseys to old timers

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Speaker 5: I got your segue that you missed. Cardinals sent two

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Speaker 2: Right if we're keeping score with six dogs and two cats?

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Speaker 4: I mean, if we're talking about pets. Our good friend

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Speaker 2: So well, and I shared this unread Sea report as

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Speaker 2: It was amazing how many of the fans said, thank you,

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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny because I had I did a

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Speaker 5: Truly, every department had a hand in this, from the

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Speaker 5: The IT department making sure that the practice facility where

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then when the game started, you're like, you

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Speaker 5: What happened to Minnesota man?

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Speaker 2: Well, Sam Donald held under the ball way too long, Wait, very.

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Speaker 4: Long, he did hold onto the ball too long. And

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Speaker 5: And what about Minnesota's defense thirty three takeaways in the

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Speaker 2: That flies in the face of what Kurt Warner was

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Speaker 4: You know, puts everything on the quarterbacks like always.

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Speaker 2: You got to get rid of that ball. That ball

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Speaker 4: And I get that, although it is interesting when you

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Speaker 4: the Vikings. This Rams defense, the thing that I came

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Speaker 4: This Rams defense is getting really good, really fast, and

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Speaker 2: So here's a stat. Wall Street Journal did a story

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Speaker 2: That's twenty seven million less than the next lowest team

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Speaker 5: Day for an organization that hasn't always been known for

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Speaker 2: Of them picks, yeah, the whole less sneed. Honestly, if

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Speaker 2: if so, that person might be worthy of getting promoted,

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Speaker 4: Well, and to me, it also goes back to like

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Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know you guys have been doing,

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Speaker 2: He's from Detroit. He has a basketball background.

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Speaker 4: I'm not eligible in the draft, Paul, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I was talking more about Darius Robinson. Darren, It's not

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Speaker 4: It's a large human being.

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Speaker 2: Size of a nose tackle, quickness of a three technique

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Speaker 4: We have to know that this is Paul's time of

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Speaker 5: That's why I'm just sitting back and letting him go.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Darren, come on, you know the insatiable appetite

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Speaker 4: You know me, the draft time doesn't start until the Combine.

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Speaker 4: Before then, I got stuff I gotta do.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. There was a countdown in the office today.

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Speaker 4: There's a big countdown in the office.

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Speaker 2: There are really only a couple things in America where

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Speaker 2: there's an insatiable appetite. The draft is one. Donuts would

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Speaker 2: be another, which is why I disagree Duncan ran into

444
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 2: an issue.

445
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 5: I don't not like donuts. They just don't really do

446
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 5: much for me. So you object, Danny, if I'm wanting

447
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,120
Speaker 5: something for breakfast. Ten out of ten times, I'm picking

448
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 5: a bagel.

449
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 4: I don't want to donut, Like a breakfast donut is

450
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 4: a sweet tree.

451
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,479
Speaker 5: You're telling me like you would go have a donut

452
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 5: that's been sitting in a box at like two o'clock.

453
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 5: That's like stale at that point. No, you have to

454
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 5: get in the morning when it's fresh man.

455
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 2: You got, first of all, who doesn't like donuts. You're

456
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 2: awful demanding about donuts.

457
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 5: I like them. They just don't only do much for me.

458
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 4: Okay, so your Dunkin Donuts should not run out of donuts.

459
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 2: You didn't have a mental health episode of any sort

460
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 2: when Duncan ran out of donuts. This seas though, yes.

461
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Speaker 4: They all.

462
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 5: I was right there when I understand that darre and

463
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Speaker 5: it's on the rundown. But I didn't see when it

464
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 5: happened online.

465
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Speaker 4: Well, because it only happened in like a couple of states,

466
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 4: but still Nebraska.

467
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 2: New Mexico, a few others. They didn't have donuts on

468
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Speaker 2: their shelves and they had to notice.

469
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Speaker 4: But I don't understand they had donut holes. They didn't

470
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Speaker 4: have donuts. I thought the whole point of the donut

471
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Speaker 4: hole was like you were like carving out something out

472
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Speaker 4: of the regular donut. Shouldn't shouldn't it be a one

473
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 4: to one ratio donut one donut hole to every donut.

474
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Speaker 2: But when you rebrand your company Dunkin and you eliminate

475
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 2: donuts from the brand, it's you're just known as Duncan.

476
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: Then you know, all of a sudden, you know you're

477
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Speaker 2: speaking in a new existence. Now you have this donut

478
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Speaker 2: drought going on.

479
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 4: Also, as an English person, them saying donuts or whatever

480
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 4: the how are they spell it? They spell it wrong

481
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 4: and it's very annoying.

482
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: Here's here's my conspiracy theory. You want my conspiracy theory,

483
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Speaker 2: which one the day that they ran out of donuts

484
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 2: also coincided perfectly with National Quitter's Day January tenth, which

485
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Speaker 2: is the day by which most Americans have already quit

486
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Speaker 2: their news resolutions. So I think these this was the

487
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: case of the donut gods, right, the fitness gods speaking

488
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 2: and saying no, no, no, I shall not break quit your

489
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: New Year's resolution. Guess what you want? A donut? You

490
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 2: vowed to go without a donut your news resolution, Well,

491
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: you won't get a donut because there are none, or.

492
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 5: Are we about to get a new movie release by

493
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 5: Ben Affleck, and this is all part of a ploy.

494
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 2: Right and he's got his sweatsuit on and he's got

495
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: a bad rap song to go along with it. Is

496
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Speaker 2: that what you're saying?

497
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 4: Wow? Then I missed that.

498
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 5: Is he about to announce he's back together with Jennifer Lopez?

499
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 5: Is that what this is all about?

500
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 4: I had to grab that right before it went way

501
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: over my head and pull it back so I could

502
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 4: not understand what was going on there.

503
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: That would be interesting if yeah, at ben Affleck Affleck,

504
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 2: he just flies in and saves the day with donuts,

505
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: you know, super donut man, something like that. Okay, all right, now,

506
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 2: what's the segue back to football? That's that's a great question, hm,

507
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: Sweet treat Buddha Baker named second team All Pro? How

508
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 2: about that? Go there? You go? That's his reward? Give

509
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 2: that man.

510
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 4: This is where Paul makes all his money? Is this

511
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 4: kind of stuff?

512
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: Give Buddha a donut? You know?

513
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 5: So that was a really good display to put it

514
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 5: in his review?

515
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: Should he have been first team? You know what's interesting?

516
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: Antoine Winfield Junior, who got you Jack to the squad

517
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: a year ago? Despite all these ridiculous stats, and he

518
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: was very angry about it. Didn't make the Pro Bowl,

519
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: didn't make it this year, got first team All Pro. Right,

520
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: So it really does lend credence to the whole. You

521
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: make the Pro Bowl and or All Pro one year

522
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: too late, and you probably stick around on that team

523
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: one year too long.

524
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 4: Probably true. And that's that's because everybody pays attention to

525
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 4: all the people that complain about. There was somebody who

526
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 4: didn't make it this year. Oh the dude the safety

527
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 4: for the Lions who had like nine interceptions, Kirby Joseph

528
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 4: He didn't even make the Pro Bowl.

529
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 2: No, but he was first team All Pro. Yes, so

530
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 2: like last year Kyrone Williams was second team All Pro

531
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Speaker 2: running back.

532
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 4: But oh, and what's the difference there? The All Pro

533
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 4: is the writers voting. The Pro Bowl is the players voting,

534
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 4: ah and.

535
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 5: Coaches and fans.

536
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: So do you guys agree? You know now that we've

537
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 2: had another week elapse since the twenty twenty four season,

538
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,959
Speaker 2: that the more we get into the future and remove

539
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: from this past season, the more we'll begin to appreciate

540
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: what Buddha Baker put out on that field. An epic

541
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: career year. Do you think in the.

542
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 5: Moment we appreciated him in the moment?

543
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 2: Sure, though, I'm asking you, are you sure you might

544
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 2: want to do a systems check and double check that

545
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: you come with the receipts.

546
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 5: Paula, I'm pretty sure I appreciated Buddha. Baker during the season.

547
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: Fully appreciated Buddha's epic season, the greatness he put on

548
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: that field, down and down game. You sure there wasn't

549
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: a game or two you took it for granted.

550
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 5: I'm positive, Okay.

551
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: All right, I just want to make sure, oh got loud.

552
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: Danny's mad now he just turned down my headphones.

553
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 5: Bring the receipt Okay.

554
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 4: I will say, what when I look back on Buddha

555
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 4: right now is it's amazing. It's amazing how it feels

556
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 4: now Compared to when we were going into training camp.

557
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 4: You didn't know if he was going to get a

558
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 4: contract extension. He didn't have a bunch of splash plays

559
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 4: last year. There was a lot of questions about Buddha,

560
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 4: and it feels like all he did was all season

561
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 4: was just check every single box that you were looking

562
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 4: at until we got to this point.

563
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 2: Maybe most critical, what offenses continue to go away from

564
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: Buddha Baker, minimize his impact, neutralize him by just going

565
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 2: the other way, by breaking the huddle and going up.

566
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: There's number three on the right, let's go left. So

567
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 2: whatever the Cardinals did, and we talked about this last week,

568
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: the unlocking of Buddha Baker, allowing him to keep his

569
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: eyes on the quarterback more and just use his instincts

570
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: in football IQ and when he deemed it necessary and appropriate,

571
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 2: Boom shoot his gun, get into the backfield and set

572
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: a career high for tackles for loss.

573
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 5: For example, ten led the team and tackles for loss

574
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 5: led the team in tackles with one hundred and sixty four.

575
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 5: You look around the league at the top tacklers and

576
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 5: it's a bunch of middle linebackers. Baker. It's incredibly impressive

577
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 5: the way that he is able to be as impactful

578
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,239
Speaker 5: as he is and play with the consistent technique that

579
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 5: he does everywhere on the field. He's not only great

580
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 5: in one aspect and then good over here. He is

581
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 5: great everywhere he plays. And it's nice that now that

582
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 5: you saw in year two a better understanding of what

583
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 5: the parameters of this defensive scheme is which allowed him

584
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 5: to just not think and go play and rely on

585
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 5: his natural instincts a little bit more.

586
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: And what's amazing too is beyond everything we can cite

587
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: in terms of the stats and the splash plays and

588
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: the highlights, is how the rest of the guys in

589
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: that locker room truly revere Buddha Baker and how they

590
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: watch his every move, the young guys. Darius Robinson on

591
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: the Big Red Rage recently, Oh yeah, I always have

592
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: half an eye in Buddha Baker. How's he going about

593
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: his business? Rabbit saying, I go up purposely from day one.

594
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: I sit in the front row right between Buddha and

595
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: Jalen Thompson. You know, I mean, if you're Manias four

596
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 2: and Jonathan Gannon, how do you put a price on that?

597
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: When that's the kind of guy they're following, and he's

598
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: one of the best playmakers in the league, and you

599
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: understand why they got preemptive and got ahead of the

600
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: curve and got him under contract.

601
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 5: They found a price to pay, and thank goodness, they

602
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 5: did it. It says a lot that Baker didn't even

603
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 5: want to test free agency. Rabbit said that he doesn't

604
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 5: even necessarily ask questions. When in meeting rooms with Jalen

605
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 5: Thompson and Buddha Baker, he just sits by them and

606
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 5: listens to them talk and ask questions to each other.

607
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 5: And that's how he learned. That's crazy.

608
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: There's just one shortcoming. One problem with Buddha Baker's season

609
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: is that.

610
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 4: A dig on his height. I thought we've already I

611
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 4: thought you and he already had a battle about that.

612
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: No, it would be on the It would be a

613
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: dig against the media content team of the Arizona Cardinals.

614
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: Those who failed to vote Buddha Baker most Valuable Cardinal.

615
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 5: Okay, yours truly towards.

616
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: Yours truly installed Buddha Baker as most Valuable Cardinal. And

617
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: I was aghast at the fact no, hardly anybody else

618
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: did see.

619
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 5: I was a gast that that was not unanimous for

620
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 5: James Connor.

621
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: Well, it's like so on right now. We definitely have

622
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: a divergence of opinion here on Cardinals under I.

623
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 4: Did I think that it never happens.

624
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 5: I did vote well for those listening. Every year we

625
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 5: do Cardinals Awards, and this year it's editorial staff on

626
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 5: air personalities. There were thirteen of us and we voted

627
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 5: for most Valuable Cardinal Offensive, a defensive Player of the Year,

628
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 5: Newcomer of the Year, beyond the box score, Player of

629
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 5: the Year, and Play of the Year. There were two

630
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 5: instances where I was the only person who voted for

631
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 5: the players I did. I gave Buddha Baker beyond the

632
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 5: box score player. I understand when you look at the

633
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 5: stats we're talking about of the tackles for loss and

634
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 5: the tackles and how much he made an impact when

635
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 5: you're looking at the numbers, although when you look around

636
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 5: the league a lot of times the safeties, you're looking

637
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 5: at those splash plays of the interceptions or PBUs things

638
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 5: of that nature. I went with Baker for all the

639
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 5: things we were just talking about, for beyond the box score.

640
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 5: Of the type of leader he is. He's a vocal leader.

641
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 5: He leads by exam he does things the right way,

642
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 5: puts the team above himself. He takes care of his body.

643
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 5: He is not only working in the field, he's also

644
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 5: in the film room. All of those things. And because

645
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 5: he is so ingrained into this Cardinals organization and wants

646
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 5: to win so badly with Arizona, that has a trickle

647
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 5: down effect and that's why I voted Baker beyond the

648
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 5: box Score player, and I don't look, I understand it's Baker,

649
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 5: So that would be a good argument against I don't

650
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 5: know how you didn't see James Connor as the most

651
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 5: Valuable Cardinal truly, I don't.

652
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the beyond the box score. I

653
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: define beyond the box score is like sort of an unknown,

654
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: underappreciated type player. Yes, am I alone and then understanding, I.

655
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 5: Think both perceptions can be valid, whatever prism you want.

656
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 5: I think I did a pretty nice job explaining why

657
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 5: I viewed certain things beyond the box score?

658
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 4: Did you vote for frohol Is that who you vote?

659
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: That's still a good vote, just you know, I mean

660
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: how often hear anybody bring up thro Holt? It's isn't

661
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: that the essence of beyond the box score player? Right?

662
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Speaker 2: I mean he's never in the box score, right unless

663
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Speaker 2: he recovers a fumble or something. I mean, you know

664
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Speaker 2: he's never gonna So.

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Speaker 4: Was that a diss against Jonah Williams. I don't understand

666
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Speaker 4: why you would just say that.

667
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Speaker 2: So yeah, but yeah, I won Buddha Most Valuable Cardinal,

668
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Speaker 2: and uh, and I won Trey McBride Offensive Player of

669
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Speaker 2: the Year, and when I looked at my my, my,

670
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Speaker 2: my ballot there before I said, I said, geez, it

671
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Speaker 2: is missing James Connor. Uh. Not ideal. But I will

672
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Speaker 2: say this, James Connor missed the last two and a

673
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Speaker 2: half games.

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Speaker 4: So that's why he was my most valuable cardinal is

675
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Speaker 4: because when he went out of that Panthers game, there

676
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Speaker 4: went the season.

677
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Speaker 2: Sort of the Steve Nash effect. Yes, Steve Nash won

678
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Speaker 2: his first MVP because Buddha.

679
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Speaker 4: But it was between him and Buddha. Really for me,

680
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Speaker 4: I wasn't I thought Trey had a great year. But

681
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Speaker 4: when I'm looking at most valuable, I'm looking for the

682
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Speaker 4: emotion part of it too, and so it was between

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Speaker 4: those two.

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Speaker 2: So I guess if I reverse engineer, one of the

685
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: reasons I went Buddha most Valuable Cardinal is we saw

686
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: the Cardinals offense without James Connor. Not ideal, but they

687
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Speaker 2: were in a position without James Connor to win, and

688
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Speaker 2: in Week seventeen at the Rams, and they did win

689
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Speaker 2: the finale. I guess the question I asked myself was

690
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Speaker 2: what would the defense have looked like without Buddha. Baker

691
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Speaker 2: saving their bacon.

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Speaker 4: I think ultimately we're it's it's very good to have

693
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Speaker 4: a cornucopia of ideas here.

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Speaker 5: For So, who is your defensive player of the year.

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Speaker 2: I actually actually, as I look at that, now, that's

696
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Speaker 2: uh might want to go into my next segue at

697
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Speaker 2: this point.

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Speaker 5: No, let's hear it, Paul, say it with your trust.

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Speaker 2: I had Kaiser White, and I mean he had like

700
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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty seven tackles. Kaiser White, I went defense,

701
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Speaker 2: and I calls the defense. He's the nobody's the quarterback

702
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Speaker 2: of the defense.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's mad.

704
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Speaker 4: I can't.

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Speaker 2: I can't answer started all seventeen games.

706
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Speaker 5: Can check it out cardinals dot com. You can see

707
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Speaker 5: who everybody voted for and who won.

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Speaker 2: Answers were prime All right, well yeah, so, uh yeah, okay,

709
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Speaker 2: it's all it's all how you're you're.

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Speaker 5: Viewing it sounds like it's how you're viewing it.

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Speaker 2: Does anybody lose their vote? Like, you know, has anyone

712
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: over the years Darren lost their vote because of a

713
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: responses so poor and.

714
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Speaker 4: So I don't know if we want to go there

715
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Speaker 4: sober reft of any the uh that yeah, that nearly happened.

716
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Speaker 4: I don't know if it actually happened happened.

717
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Speaker 2: Because they couldn't help but notice them. The whole grid

718
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: was posted what everybody voted for in every category. It

719
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Speaker 2: was posted at the end of the story online it.

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Speaker 4: Was you knew where or Paul.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying it like that for like seven years.

722
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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is like when they vote like

723
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Speaker 2: national of like the baseball writers, they don't. They don't

724
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Speaker 2: post every single writer something. No, But I'm saying it's

725
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: all right there, Like we apparently on Easycardinals dot Com.

726
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Speaker 2: We believe in transparency.

727
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Speaker 4: We do. It's about It's about transparency.

728
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Speaker 2: Okay.

729
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Speaker 5: I'm not ears by my answers.

730
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Speaker 4: If people want to get mad, let them get mad.

731
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Speaker 4: I had somebody call me out in the mailbag for

732
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Speaker 4: my beyond the box score choice?

733
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Speaker 5: Who is your beyond the box score? L? J.

734
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Speaker 4: Collier?

735
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Speaker 5: Oh, I like that, not bad.

736
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 4: He was mad because I didn't pick Calvin Beacham.

737
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Speaker 5: That's the beauty. There there are options for all of

738
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 5: these and I was the only one who picked Garrett Williams.

739
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 5: That dependsive Player of the Year.

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Speaker 2: It's like I wont an only ground role here on

741
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Speaker 2: Cardinal's Underground, all opinions, your own, own, your opinion.

742
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 5: I didn't know that was a role.

743
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's been around for before you worked here.

744
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 5: I've always had opinions though, so that's not really a part.

745
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 4: I think he actually said that when Wolf used to

746
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Speaker 4: sit in that chair.

747
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: Actually, I think I got out a chapter eleven of

748
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: learning leadership here. I'll refer to that level breakout session

749
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: after this podcast, we can talk leadership.

750
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Speaker 5: The book A. J. Brown was reading went up? How

751
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 5: what was the percentage?

752
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: Fifty three percentage.

753
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 5: Of that book is going to rise after Paul giving

754
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 5: it some love on Cardinals Underground?

755
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 4: Yeah one, this book, great question.

756
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, let's see what else has happened since last

757
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: episode of Cardinals. You know what I did? Forget one

758
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: bit of housekeeping from the last Cardinals Underground coming off

759
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: the end of the season. Yes see, how should I

760
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: put this? For years has been something known as the

761
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: Pash factor. Oh yeah, it hasn't really been that predominant

762
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 2: or evident the last couple of years.

763
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Speaker 4: You know, I hear a butt coming.

764
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe someone else is ready to fill into that role.

765
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Speaker 2: I'll let Darren swallow before I mentioned uh derb around

766
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 2: here was there an urban factor going on with Michael

767
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: Wilson missing this season finale? After speaking of Azycardinals dot Com,

768
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: it was put in print that he was expected to

769
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Speaker 2: complete an entire season. True, and twenty four hours later

770
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Speaker 2: and injury of some sort was suffered in the last

771
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Speaker 2: practice of the year.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I will say that, Uh yeah, I don't believe

773
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Speaker 4: any of that stuff urban factor.

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Speaker 5: I don't believes or any of that stuff good luck

775
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 5: or karma.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you and you want to know something, Michael Wilson

777
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 4: did not come over to me and slap me upside

778
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 4: the head and say why did you do that to me?

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Speaker 2: So you didn't get a DM of any sort of

780
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: Michael Wilson.

781
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Speaker 4: Because he's Stanford educated and he understands what reality is.

782
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Speaker 4: I can't speak for those that have got educated at

783
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 4: other Bay Area schools, but.

784
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Speaker 2: Well, it's five years in a row. We've a cal

785
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: ober Stamford. Just to let you know, Michael, one for

786
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: the thumb is where we go. Where we are right

787
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: now in the rivalry. See, you guys might want to

788
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: find your next Jim Harbaugh David Shaw. You might want

789
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: to find your next good coach. Guys.

790
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Speaker 4: It don't tempt them.

791
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: It ain't working right now. No, let's not tell you

792
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: that much right now. It's the only thing we have

793
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: to hang our hat on, that's for sure, all right.

794
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: Speaking of Michael Wilson, right, he was the guy who

795
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: was identified to take a big jump from year one

796
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: to year two. Who from this rookie class from year

797
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Speaker 2: one players and there are a dozen rookies out of

798
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Speaker 2: the draft undrafted guys, is there anyone, Look, Marmon Merrison junior,

799
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Speaker 2: we expect to be better. Let's just start there. How

800
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Speaker 2: much better do you think Marvin Harrison Junior can be

801
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: in year two? You look at the numbers, pretty pretty

802
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: good for a rookie, right, the old Larry David. But

803
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: if you watch every single game as we do, obviously

804
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: there was a lot left out there on the field

805
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: where he.

806
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 5: Can get better. Is consistency. Marvin Harrison Junior did have

807
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 5: a good rookie year. When you're looking at the receptions,

808
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 5: receiving yards. He tied the franchises record for most receiving

809
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 5: touchdowns by a rookie with eight. You need to see

810
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 5: that on a more consistent basis. It wasn't until the

811
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Speaker 5: very end of the season when Harrison had back to

812
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 5: back games of fifty or more receiving yards and some

813
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 5: of the throws, some of the incompletions were not necessarily

814
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 5: on Harrison, whether that was pressure on the quarterback or

815
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 5: timing or anything of that nature. However, there were too

816
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 5: many incompletions. There were some dropped passes. You just need

817
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 5: to see more. You need to see more physicality, winning

818
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 5: some more of those contested catches. Now you did see

819
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Speaker 5: some stell So that's why you have the foundation of

820
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Speaker 5: expecting a jump from year one to year two because

821
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 5: we did see some of those contested catches. Somewhere he

822
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Speaker 5: was contorting his body or it was over the shoulder

823
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 5: or whatever it might have been. You just need to

824
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 5: see that on a more consistent basis. When Harrison is

825
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 5: on the field, you need him. You need him to

826
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 5: be your most threatening receiver. That was just not the

827
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Speaker 5: case as many times as it should have been.

828
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Speaker 2: You know, if you go back to the week seventeen

829
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Speaker 2: game at the Rams, where he had six for ninety

830
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Speaker 2: six on ten targets, had long and twenty four that

831
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Speaker 2: went down the sideline, the back shoulder, and then you

832
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 2: go to the comments made the next week in the media,

833
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 2: Marvin Kyler and Drew Petsing, which was the final media

834
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: availability really on that topic. And it was interesting if

835
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: you listen to Kyler say, yes, we put him in

836
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: position to win. Yeah, and then Marvin said not long

837
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: after that, I had some different routes that I got

838
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: to run against the Rams in week seventeen, and then

839
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: I have it here somewhere Drew Petsing talking about, Ah,

840
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: he won someone on ones. He played fast, violent, aggressive

841
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: at the top of the routes, the run after catch,

842
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: and he got the football. We got the football to

843
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: eighteen in space. So I think if you take all

844
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: that together, I think that represents a little bit of

845
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: a different strategy, a little bit some different routes that

846
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: he ran in the last couple of games. Either he

847
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: mastered that and or they realized he had then in

848
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: his route treat it wasn't being maximized. And then also

849
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: you know Kyler talking about I don't know if it

850
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 2: was that week or the week before that, Yeah, it

851
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: can be better. It needs to be better, right, So

852
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: I think there's that realization too from the quarterback that

853
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: I guess what they left some on that bone out

854
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: there when it comes to Marvin Harrison Junior. And so

855
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Speaker 2: if he is, if he takes a significant jump this

856
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Speaker 2: next season, I would not be shocked just based on that.

857
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: I would not be shocked either, although again, what is that?

858
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Speaker 4: How does that manifest itself? Can he make a significant

859
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Speaker 4: jump and still gain let's say he gains eleven hundred

860
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 4: yards ten touchdowns? Is that? But he can he make

861
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Speaker 4: a significant jump and put up those numbers? Or are

862
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 4: you Are you sitting here saying if he doesn't put

863
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 4: up fourteen hundred yards and ten touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: It's am I wrong not to attach a number two it?

865
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Speaker 2: I guess it really is more of what we see,

866
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Speaker 2: no more aggressive going after.

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Speaker 4: Ultimately, that's the question. The way he don't think you're

868
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 4: going I think nuance and context matters, and we've said

869
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 4: that all along. I said that before the season, I

870
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 4: thought he could be everything they needed him to be,

871
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 4: and maybe he gets a thousand yards, maybe he doesn't.

872
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Speaker 4: Now I don't think he was everything they was were

873
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 4: hoping he was going to be, and it kind of

874
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 4: manifested itself in those numbers, because again, it's what we saw.

875
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 4: But I don't think there's a direct correlation between gaudy

876
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 4: video game numbers and what you're trying to get out

877
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 4: of the guy because you don't know what it's supposed

878
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Speaker 4: to want.

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00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 5: Here's another reason to believe that Harrison will have a

880
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 5: jump from year one to year two that many hope

881
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 5: to achieve in the league is that he has the mentality.

882
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 5: He's been very humble, very focused since the moment he

883
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 5: stepped foot in the door. And that's what happens when

884
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 5: you grow up with a Hall of Fame wide receiver dad.

885
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 5: So he already has the mentality and he knows what

886
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 5: it takes and how to take care of his body

887
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 5: and to put the team first. Harrison was never the

888
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 5: type of player this year when he was coming off

889
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 5: a great game, coming off a poor performance of blaming

890
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 5: other people or having a pity party that you see

891
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 5: with a lot of other receivers around the league. Harrison

892
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 5: already has the mentality that you want from a mature,

893
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 5: experienced player, and that's another reason to believe that he

894
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 5: is going to have a jump from year one to

895
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 5: year two and understanding what this coaching staff is wanting

896
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 5: from him and working hard to achieve that.

897
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 4: Paul, have you seen Marvin read a book on the

898
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 4: sideline any point during.

899
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 5: The game, maybe you should suggest that, you know, he

900
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 5: might have a book on it.

901
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: You know, he's a young guy, right, so he probably

902
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: has a book.

903
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 4: They're at young compared to us, Paul.

904
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 2: They have a book. He has a book on the tablet.

905
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 2: You know, maybe he has a book on the tablet.

906
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 4: Like how my wife reads books.

907
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, instead of you know, at the kindle. They still

908
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: have kindles.

909
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 5: You know what, everyone's going to be reading a lot.

910
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 4: More surface TikTok. It's a Microsoft surface that use on

911
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 4: the sidelines. I just need to reiterate. It's a Microsoft surface.

912
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 5: Okay, we get it. Everyone's going to be reading a

913
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 5: lot more TikTok actually gets banned. I don't know what

914
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 5: I'm going to do all day at work.

915
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: See once again, that's the gods at work again. You know,

916
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: no more donuts, don't break your news resolution. We ran

917
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: out of donuts, and then no more TikTok because it's

918
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: destroying people's brains from the inside out. Go back to literature.

919
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 5: How am I going to see videos of people putting

920
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 5: boots on their dogs for the first time and learning

921
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 5: how to walk?

922
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 4: How is she going to put out videos like talking

923
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 4: about her? What job is that? What the video was?

924
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 5: Do you remember when I made a TikTok of Darren

925
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 5: and I just recorded him without he without him knowing,

926
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 5: and the whole trend was like your voice was in it.

927
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 5: The whole trend was like you, baby, you have TikTok

928
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 5: quote unquote babysit your boss where you record them and

929
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 5: you walk away without telling them what's going on, and

930
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 5: then you go back and see what they said about you.

931
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 5: Right before a podcast the middle of the season, I

932
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 5: brought my phone in front of Darren and I left

933
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 5: the room, and you said, as his legal counsel, you

934
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 5: recommended not saying anything. And Darren went on about how

935
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 5: good of an employee I am and how much he

936
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 5: likes working with Alex.

937
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 4: Do you want to drop this in the video so

938
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 4: our camera operator back that video wherever it is.

939
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: Okay, rookie number two, I'm gonna throw you actually learned a.

940
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 5: Lot from TikTok hang On. I'm not done. There's a

941
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 5: lot of TikTok hacks that you can learn, and I'm

942
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 5: actually really concerned if we don't have this app much longer,

943
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 5: because you can learn a lot of really valuable things

944
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 5: from that app. It's not all just doom scrolling.

945
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people who's business, like their marketing

946
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: and the promotion of their business.

947
00:43:58,680 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 5: That's pretty, but all their money.

948
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: I mean, they're about to repetition.

949
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 5: I can sign or something.

950
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 4: Yes, but then certain other countries to take over your mind.

951
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 4: I hope you got that clip about Danny saying hold on,

952
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 4: I'm not finished, because if I don't hear that elsewhere

953
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 4: at some point, I'm gonna be very disappointed.

954
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 5: I have read me on TikTok before it's banned.

955
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: The breakout session we do with the leadership Book will

956
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: conduct on TikTok. So we'll check every box on that one. Okay,

957
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 2: a little bit later, how about that.

958
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 4: The second rookie for me? Yes, good, thank you.

959
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 2: It was like so PBS, Darren just went very formal.

960
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 2: Right there, this.

961
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 4: Sounds this is so low hanging fruit. But I mean,

962
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 4: doesn't it have to be Darius Robinson. Doesn't it have

963
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 4: to be.

964
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: Well, there's only one way, and it's up at this point.

965
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 4: I mean, well, and it's I'm not even charging. I

966
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 4: just I want to see him play the full season. Now,

967
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 4: I don't know what this team. I don't know what

968
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 4: this team and Paul you already kind of talked about

969
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 4: a little bit when you got way ahead on your

970
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 4: draft talk. But obviously, I think this team is going

971
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,479
Speaker 4: to be addressing the defensive line as we get into

972
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 4: this offseason. But I want to see I mean, first

973
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 4: of all, it's weird, like we don't even talk about

974
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 4: Justin Jones and Blall Nichols and those guys are gonna

975
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 4: be around and back. But I think they're going to

976
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 4: address the defensive line. But don't you you want to

977
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 4: see Darius Robinson make that big jump. It felt like

978
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 4: he was trending in that direction at a high rate

979
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 4: of speed in training camp and then the injury, and

980
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 4: I mean he didn't He literally did not have a

981
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 4: full practice once the regular season starts. So even when

982
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 4: he came back, they listed him as limited in practice

983
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 4: every single practice the rest of the season.

984
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: And for that reason, and based on a comment that

985
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: his position coach said in one final meeting with the

986
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: media late in the year, I do wonder if he

987
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: was ever one. I do wonder if we ever saw

988
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: the real Darius Robinson to what degree was he still limited?

989
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: Was he not able to go full full go, full

990
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: contact football because of the.

991
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 5: Calf injury kept him limited all season. Once he returned,

992
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 5: by the time Darius really got going, the season was

993
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 5: over because he only played half a season, and when

994
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 5: you're a rookie typically you hit that mark earlier on

995
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 5: in the season because remember Robinson missed a couple final

996
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 5: weeks of training him, so he missed significant amount of time.

997
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 5: That does make sense. Those are the two low hanging

998
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 5: fruits of where you want to see a significant jump

999
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 5: from year once year two and your first round picks.

1000
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 5: Of course, that's what you want to see. You want

1001
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 5: to see longevity, and you want to see promise of

1002
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 5: these players that they can be part of the foundation

1003
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 5: and the future moving forward. It'll be interesting though, of

1004
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 5: where players beyond those two make a jump, and mostly

1005
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 5: because what kind of reps are they going to get.

1006
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 5: Rookie running back Trey Benson, it's very intriguing to me

1007
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 5: because once he had the opportunity to get consistent reps

1008
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 5: in the middle of the season, you saw some flashes.

1009
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 5: He dealt with injury late in the season. The question is, though,

1010
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 5: is is he going to see significant more time next

1011
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 5: year when the cardinal I've resigned James Connor or is

1012
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 5: it going to kind of be what we saw from

1013
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 5: Benson this year where he's the clear number two, but

1014
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 5: it's not a complimentary one and two splitting reps evenly

1015
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 5: kind of deal. What about Rabbit Taylor Demerson, the safety,

1016
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 5: somebody who when his number was called upon, he looked fast.

1017
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 5: He was a hard hitter. You could tell that he

1018
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 5: was picking up the speed of the game. How much

1019
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 5: playing time is going to be available for him when

1020
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 5: he's playing behind Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson. There are

1021
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 5: players where I still expect to see a jump and

1022
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 5: I think that can be even more impactful. The question

1023
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 5: is going to be what kind of playing time? And

1024
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 5: that includes cornerback Max Meltain, who's going to be fighting

1025
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 5: for spots against Sean Murphy, Bunting and Star Thomas Elijah Jones.

1026
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 5: Elijah Jones somebody at rookie we did not see all year.

1027
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're going to say he's going

1028
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 4: to make a jump because he didn't get to work.

1029
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 5: That's low hanging fruit if we see him in a game.

1030
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 4: But like the cornerback position is fascinating to me, because

1031
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 4: you're going to have too many guys for playing time,

1032
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 4: and that's good. You want to be able to get

1033
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 4: the best guys you can. But what does that look

1034
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 4: like is that Starling Thomas? Is this still Shaw Murphy Bunting?

1035
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 4: Does Max Meltin jump like a second round pick should?

1036
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 4: Is Elijah Jones as a third round pick going to

1037
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 4: get into the mix right away? Yeah?

1038
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: The two I was gonna throw out Rabbit one just

1039
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: because the more he spoke this year, the more he

1040
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: realized how different this defense was from college. I mean,

1041
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: it really was so foreign to him in so many

1042
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: different ways. So I think he faced one of the

1043
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 2: biggest learning curse I think, going from the college game

1044
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: to the pro game in terms of the scheme and

1045
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: how he fits and what his responsibilities are. And then

1046
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: it finally he finally started playing and stopped thinking very

1047
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: late in the season, but you saw him as a

1048
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: seek in destroy type safety. The other one I'll throw

1049
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: out is Isaiah Adams and it was interesting to hear

1050
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: him talk about how he was working with the Cardinals

1051
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: strength staff during the season. Now, a lot of these guys,

1052
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 2: especially the veteran guys, it's sort of maintenance workouts during

1053
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: the year, but he was, from what it sounds like,

1054
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: was doing strength building type workouts during the year. And

1055
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: so if he spends his offseason in the squad rack

1056
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: and works on that lower half, he has a size,

1057
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: he has a length, he has the athleticism, he has

1058
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: the skill set, the technique, and he just needs some

1059
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 2: more of that raw strength and power to be able

1060
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: to anchor. And you know that that's his lower half.

1061
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: And if he's able to make gains, I'll sort of

1062
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: throw out like a Zach Allen was sort of that guy.

1063
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: Like his first year he's so he was a little

1064
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 2: pro Zack Allen. He was little too second team I

1065
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: believe Byron Murphy making the Pro Bowl, and and so

1066
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: there's Zach Allen and he needed to put on size

1067
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 2: and weight in a little bit of strength. He was

1068
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: around two eighty five. I think a Darius Robinson at

1069
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 2: two eighty five, and I think Zach Allen. I think

1070
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 2: what would Darius Robinson be. I mean, he has the

1071
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 2: physique of what he used to be a basketball player

1072
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, and so what if he

1073
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: was closer to three hundred with his strength and his athleticism,

1074
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: what would that mean In the trenches.

1075
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 5: Usually between year one and year two line of scrimmage,

1076
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 5: players are in the weight room trying to put on

1077
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 5: some extra weight, some extra muscle, and so I would

1078
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 5: be right with you there, especially when talking about Adams

1079
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 5: as your guard. This is a good thing that the

1080
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 5: Cardinals have had so many impactful rookie players and players

1081
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 5: that have shown enough that make you confident to see

1082
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 5: a jump from year two now. There are still players

1083
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 5: that you have question marks still, and sometimes that situations

1084
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 5: like tackle Christian Jones, who didn't see a lot of

1085
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 5: playing time. He played one game the final game, had

1086
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 5: had a few snaps the week prior year two. Is

1087
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 5: he going to make enough of a jump in the

1088
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 5: off season to see a little bit more of him

1089
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 5: that maybe we see him more in the regular season,

1090
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 5: and what the Cardinals decide to do there when you've

1091
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 5: got Kelvin Beacham who's been your swing tackle as a

1092
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 5: pending free agent. Xavier Thomas is another name as a

1093
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 5: pass rusher where there's a big question mark of what

1094
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 5: did you see from him in year one and what

1095
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 5: are you telling him to work on in the offseason

1096
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 5: to be an impactful pass rusher and all the other

1097
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 5: things that this coaching staff asks of those outside linebackers

1098
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 5: to do besides getting to the quarterback. Actually, when you've

1099
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 5: got b jo Jalari expected to come back after missing

1100
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 5: the whole season with an ACL injury, a question mark

1101
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 5: around pending free agent Dennis Gardak, So there are there's

1102
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 5: different levels when you're talking about the expectations of jumps

1103
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 5: from year one to year two for a lot of

1104
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 5: these rookies, and I think when you look at some

1105
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 5: of those players, it's we didn't see a lot of

1106
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 5: you this year, so it's a bigger question mark of

1107
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 5: what kind of jump are you going to be able

1108
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 5: to take?

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00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: Speaking of cornerbacks, here's the segue to the fines that

1110
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: were levied against Sean Murphy, Bunting and Starling Thomas, but

1111
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: not Juwan Jennings, the guy who I think most would

1112
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 2: agree was the instigator. Now, I think probably the difference

1113
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 2: between forty nine.

1114
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 4: The league didn't feel like he was a nastigator.

1115
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: The difference between forty nine Er fan and Cardinals fans

1116
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 2: would be that Niner fans says he was just finishing

1117
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 2: a physical block.

1118
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 5: Twice he got disqualified from a game and that's not

1119
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 5: enough to find him.

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00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: And actually three times in two weeks, because if you

1121
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: go back to the week before against the Lions, he

1122
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: took a Lion safety all the way through the end zone,

1123
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: passed the goalpost and into the luxury field seating Before

1124
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: then I think Kirby Joseph actually was the one who

1125
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 2: came and picked him off and separated him. But that's

1126
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: what Starling Thomas was talking about. Juwan Jennings, the guy

1127
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: who went viral the week before for taking the dB

1128
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: you know, in a situation where you're not expecting the

1129
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 2: one hundred percent effort of blocking and then he takes

1130
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: advantage of that. And then once you got a guy

1131
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 2: and you got him unroller skates and now you're going

1132
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: to finish him and the whole tough guy thing and

1133
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 2: here we go. But yeah, the fact he didn't get

1134
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: fined it all when he has a track record and

1135
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: a precedent.

1136
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 5: He was over on the forty nine ers sideline, hyping

1137
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 5: up the fans, taking his sweet time leaving the field.

1138
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: And by the way, maybe they didn't find him. The

1139
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: only thing I can think of, maybe they didn't find

1140
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: him because he missed his bonus for not hitting the

1141
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: thousand yards. He was twenty five twenty five yard shy

1142
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: cuz he got ejected.

1143
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 4: Did he have a bonus?

1144
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 2: I saw a couple of posts that he did.

1145
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 4: Okay, so, and I knew he wanted to get there

1146
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 4: to get there. But yeah, that's a bad that's a

1147
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 4: way to lose some money.

1148
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: Yes, it is, no doubt about it.

1149
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 5: Good leadership advice.

1150
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 4: Let's see, don't do that, follow the rules. I'm a

1151
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 4: rules person, Danny. I don't know if you knew that

1152
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 4: about me.

1153
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 5: That's new news to me.

1154
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 4: See here, Yes, you're recording it, Cody, just relax.

1155
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 3: Uh.

1156
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: Part two fundamental, wont believe you can. Believing that you

1157
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: can lead is essential to developing your leadership skills and abilities.

1158
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 2: The best leaders are the best learners. So maybe Danny

1159
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: might have a few pointers for you, Darren a little

1160
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: bit later, she sure does.

1161
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 4: She's not finished, Paul, hold on a minute, I'm not finished.

1162
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: Oh man. Uh So, let's see what would be the

1163
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: who would be the opposite of Juwan Jennings. Hey, Larry

1164
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: Fitzgerald as a person and as a player.

1165
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 4: I'm just going to title this podcast.

1166
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: So tell us about the video Darren that's up and

1167
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: out and gaining great traction. I watched it, very well done,

1168
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 2: and it's a Fits family production.

1169
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, there were Fits various Fitzgerald's in it. They

1170
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 4: didn't produce it. They had other things going on.

1171
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 2: Sorry, I mean Den didn't didn't he didn't edit the

1172
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 2: whole bang. No, I figured it was We actually had

1173
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: a So Devin figured he did it on TikTok and

1174
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: send it over.

1175
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: Do what you can.

1176
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: That's right.

1177
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 4: So this is a this is a feature that we

1178
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 4: had been talking about making for over a couple of

1179
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 4: years now. It's morphed in a couple of ways, and

1180
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 4: at one point we came up with the idea of

1181
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 4: involving Larry Fitzgerald's son, Devin Fitzgerald, who is a wide

1182
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 4: receiver at Brophy Prep in Phoenix, and he just finished

1183
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 4: his junior year of high school and he kind of

1184
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 4: of helps narrate this piece that we put together that

1185
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 4: highlights Larry Fitzgerald's two thousand and eight playoff run as

1186
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 4: magnificent as it was. We have interviews with Ken Wizenhunt

1187
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 4: and Larry and Kurt Warner and Adrian Wilson, and so

1188
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 4: we hit a bunch of people and Grayson Joy did

1189
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 4: a great job editing it. Kyle Droni helped out with

1190
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 4: the shot. The shoot with Devin, which actually went down

1191
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 4: twice for a couple of different reasons, so we had

1192
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 4: to kind of redo some things, but I think it

1193
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 4: turned out wonderfully. It's part of a new video series

1194
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 4: sponsored by Microsoft Surface called Cardinals Overtime, and it's the

1195
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 4: first of a handful. Danny has some episodes in the works,

1196
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 4: so please check it out on YouTube. It's also on

1197
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 4: the website, but YouTube is probably the main place to

1198
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 4: get it. Larry's legendary run and hopefully everybody enjoys that.

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Speaker 5: It was really well produced, and I like the idea

1200
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 5: of this whole feature series where every story is going

1201
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 5: to be different and look very different, and they're not

1202
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 5: just about Cardinals history. It's also about these players as

1203
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 5: people and incorporating their families, and I think it's a

1204
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 5: really unique perspective on a lot of people who fans

1205
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 5: think they know and getting to know them.

1206
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: A little better and you think you know the story,

1207
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: and for those of us who were there and we

1208
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: covered it, like I totally forgot Larry had one catch

1209
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: going into the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl. He

1210
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: had one catch at that point in the game.

1211
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 4: Yes, they had shut him down pretty good.

1212
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: That's the kind of stuff I just I didn't remember.

1213
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: And then he ended up with seven for one twenty

1214
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 2: or something like that. And then the two touchdowns is

1215
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 2: he got the one off his helmet, and then obviously.

1216
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 4: Tyree, well I guess it wasn't Tyree before Tyree, because

1217
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 4: I think Tyree was before that, right, I.

1218
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 2: Can't remember, Yeah, which one was that exactly? I think

1219
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: Tyree was the six or yeah, seven, Okay, but yeah,

1220
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 2: it's and then the stories of Larry in practice, which

1221
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: is what we would hear about anecdotally, the catches he

1222
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: made in practice. If you guys could see some of

1223
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 2: the catches he makes in practice, man Alan iverson style, right,

1224
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 2: then you some of the some of the catches he

1225
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: made in training camp that were allowed to see, or

1226
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 2: even in preseason, the catches that didn't count that were remarkable,

1227
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: and it just gives you a whole new appreciation for

1228
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: what he put out on that field. And even here

1229
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: fifteen years later, seventeen years later, I mean, that performance

1230
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 2: doesn't look doesn't look antiquated at all. Doesn't look I

1231
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 2: mean that that's still it still holds water twenty twenty five.

1232
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, and I'm sure it'll be one of the

1233
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 4: main talking points when Larry Fitzgeral goes into the Hall

1234
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 4: of Fame in about a year.

1235
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 2: That's right, no doubt. Although as he filed his papers, Darren,

1236
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: has he filed these kind of things you need to know?

1237
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: As he filed his papers, officially the retirement papers. Do

1238
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: you have to file your retirement paper to start the clock?

1239
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 4: Now? You do not?

1240
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 5: You do not know?

1241
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 4: Okay, you just can't play in a game five years,

1242
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 4: I see, okay, and I'm feeling fairly confident Larry will

1243
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 4: not be appearing in an NFL.

1244
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 5: Wouldn't that be just the craziest off season ever? Shall

1245
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 5: we manifest it?

1246
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:17,959
Speaker 4: That's a TikTok video.

1247
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: No, these things happened in threes, okay, So no donuts,

1248
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: no pets in outfits, and no fits rekindling his playing career. Okay,

1249
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 2: those sort of like yours, truly, refrigerator went out, the

1250
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: garbage of spoils went out. And then I joked, while

1251
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: I was filling in with Wolf on Friday, I said,

1252
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: these things happened in threes. This is the third thing

1253
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: is I have to sit here for four hours and

1254
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: carry your keystar on your own show. Yuck, yuck yuck.

1255
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: And then the gods didn't like that because on Sunday

1256
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: my dishwasher broke. No oh, water everywhere.

1257
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 5: So I think you've got two kids to help you

1258
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 5: wash dishow once again.

1259
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah no. They weren't even up yet, didn't get

1260
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: up till.

1261
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 4: Help he was. He had at an apron on.

1262
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 5: They dressed the very good dishwashers. They will look at

1263
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 5: anything off a plate.

1264
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: The dog, no chance. Look, the dog has broken every

1265
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: other rule that I had established. Okay, but I'm holding

1266
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: firm on the no dressing up of the dog. In fact,

1267
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: I did bring the hammer down in a rare instance

1268
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: where I was actually the leader at Kasa CALVICI I said,

1269
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: thou shalt not wear a Halloween costume. Not happening. We're

1270
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: not putting our dog in a Halloween costumes.

1271
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 4: And that got followed.

1272
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: It got followed, It did.

1273
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 4: At least that's impressive.

1274
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: As far as I know, I wasn't there for all

1275
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: the treat.

1276
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 4: How was Cheeto's weight? I mean, I know that we've

1277
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 4: already we've already passed the second Friday in January, so

1278
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 4: he's probably not going to the gym anymore.

1279
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: No, he was tracking pretty well. Unfortunately, his uncle showed up,

1280
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: who's an avid dog lover, and we found out that

1281
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: he's been slipping him dog treats on the side, and

1282
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: we wondered, why did Cheeto take such a quick liking

1283
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: to his uncle he never met before, Like, within twenty

1284
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: four hours there were besties. Well, that's because he was

1285
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: slipping them somebody.

1286
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 4: You know, you talked about being a leader back there, Paul,

1287
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 4: but it feels like you're totally not in control of

1288
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 4: that house way. You know.

1289
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 2: I try and empower the people under my leadership, you know,

1290
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: so I don't try to micro manage them.

1291
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 5: But yeah, I haven't gone to that chapter of the

1292
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 5: book yet.

1293
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're losing. They're losing my faith and we're

1294
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 2: gonna need some new rules. You're right, Darren. You know

1295
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: I tried. I tried to let everyone be their own boss.

1296
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: It's not working.

1297
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 4: You do need to go to the Inner Piece book

1298
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 4: instead of the leadership book.

1299
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to Rennedy now, so full circle, we

1300
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 2: come back to the book on leadership as we wrap

1301
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 2: up this edition of Cardinals Underground, brought to you by

1302
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: Pacific Office Automation. Chapter nine. Once again, it's not just

1303
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: about you, Darren.

1304
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 5: There's a lot of you in here, Like right, that

1305
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 5: was supposed to be the mic drop to head the episode.

1306
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: That was the end of the podcast.

1307
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 4: Okay, cut that off.

1308
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: That was it.

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Speaker 2: Edit somewhere in here, somewhere, please you got one more? Okay? No, oh,

1310
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Speaker 2: who you are isn't who you will be when you

1311
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Speaker 2: look back ten years from now. Are things the same

1312
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Speaker 2: today as they were then? Such? Chapter eight. There we go.

1313
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Speaker 2: It's a good off season, good off season directive right there,

1314
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Speaker 2: and no better time to start than right now, because

1315
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Speaker 2: every journey starts with that first step in three, two

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Speaker 2: and one,