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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noah.

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Speaker 4: They call me Ben, and we are joined as always

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Speaker 4: with our super producer Alexis codenamed Dot Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 4: you are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't.

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Speaker 1: Want you to know.

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Speaker 4: We return to you, fellow conspiracy realist, from some time

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Speaker 4: outside of our fair metropolis of Atlanta. It is also

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Speaker 4: true that we learned quite a bit about Las Vegas.

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Speaker 4: Not enough, We'll have to go back. If you have

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Speaker 4: been checking in with us on our various areas of contact,

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Speaker 4: you will know that this is one of our favorite

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Speaker 4: moments of the week. This is where we get to

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Speaker 4: share your stories with your fellow listeners. We're going to

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Speaker 4: talk about meds. We're going to talk about you know,

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk about big sugar beekeeping. We're going

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Speaker 4: to talk about those gated communities, those little touch pads

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Speaker 4: or swipe screens you see when you Enteroh woosh, secured areas.

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Speaker 4: Before we do any of that, we are going to

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Speaker 4: read at least one of the many emails we have

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Speaker 4: received in response to our earlier episode on hearing voices

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Speaker 4: scientifically called paracusia or auditory hallucination.

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Speaker 5: Right, and this one comes from Samurai and this sounds

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Speaker 5: like God, they Matt Widow in an email. I have

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Speaker 5: to say, Samurai here, permission to share is granted. Doesn't

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Speaker 5: that sound like you, Matt?

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Speaker 3: That's a you thing. Sure, that's a Matt joke.

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Speaker 4: Sam's an old friend as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been rating for a long time, sure has,

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Speaker 5: and this one is no exception in that he has

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Speaker 5: written it. But it's also very personal perspective. As you mentioned, Maim,

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Speaker 5: just listen to your hearing Voices episode and it made

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Speaker 5: me feel so much better than I am not alone.

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Speaker 5: I started quote unquote hearing voices when I was about thirteen.

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Speaker 3: At first they were in my own.

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Speaker 5: Voice, but over the years the voice has changed to

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Speaker 5: various people. I recall a time when it was the

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Speaker 5: voice of Michael York, Carl Sagan, Sean Connery, and Topaul

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Speaker 5: as Tevia in the movie Fiddler on the Roof, and

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Speaker 5: more interestingly, Paulie Shore.

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Speaker 3: Wow, how about that one got a little grating after

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Speaker 3: a while.

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Speaker 5: I remember when I was younger being worried about the voice,

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Speaker 5: thinking it was some sign that I was going crazy

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Speaker 5: voice I would hear until I was in my twenties

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Speaker 5: and mentioned it to my wife. She did not seem

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Speaker 5: to be concerned, but was quick to explain that she

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Speaker 5: did not experience such a thing. The voice, and I

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Speaker 5: use the singular because it has never been more than

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Speaker 5: one at a time. It may have changed, but I

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Speaker 5: always knew it was the same person. It never felt

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Speaker 5: like separate identities as you might find in cases of

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Speaker 5: did really quickly. That was something that I think we

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Speaker 3: They are two very different things.

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Speaker 5: It also is inherently a sign of schizophrenia, which is

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Speaker 5: also something very different. People can live very normal lives

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Speaker 5: and you know, to Samuraiz point, maybe not even mention

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Speaker 5: it to anybody, which I would argue maybe probably was tough,

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Speaker 5: you know, opening the email saying it felt lonely, so

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Speaker 5: then to finally have someone that you trusted enough that

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that did happen.

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Speaker 5: But I'm sure for a long time, especially worrying in

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Speaker 5: the way that you must have or that you said

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Speaker 5: some form of mental illness that could get worse. I'm

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Speaker 5: really glad you found that ability to share, and I'm

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Speaker 3: Help with that.

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Speaker 4: DID stands for disassociative identity discords.

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Speaker 3: Right, and yep, that's what I was saying.

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Speaker 5: We was something that came up in the episode that

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Speaker 5: It never felt like separate identities as you might find

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Speaker 5: But getting back to what I was saying, the voice

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Speaker 5: the lines of your human don't do this to yourself,

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Speaker 5: I can use it to my advantage too, by working

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Speaker 5: on or in some of my writing. I'm willing to

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Speaker 5: bet that more people than are willing to admit have

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Speaker 5: that voice in their head, but there is such a

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Speaker 5: fifty or one hundred years ago. One other thing, thinking

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Speaker 5: Nietzsche quote and if you gaze long enough into an abyss,

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Speaker 5: the abyss will gaze back into you. It's one of

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Speaker 5: our favorites too, Sam that said, how deep down the

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Speaker 5: rabbit hole do you want to go? Alice, There's also

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Speaker 5: a part of me that wonders if you talk to

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Speaker 3: Have you created a new identity within you?

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Speaker 5: Or have you, maybe speaking as a computer tech that

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Speaker 5: I have been for the power part of thirty years,

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Speaker 5: partitioned a portion of your brain. This reminds me of

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Speaker 5: the bicameral mind stuff that we discuss. I'd love to

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Speaker 5: get into that in a second. Partitioned a portion of

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Speaker 5: who you want to be. We all know that we

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Speaker 5: do not consciously use all of our brain, So is

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Speaker 5: there enough room in there for a backup of who

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Speaker 5: you are? Do people that have an overly active process

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Speaker 5: that do not. These questions answered and more in the

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Speaker 3: Okay, so that last bit was just shower thoughts.

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Speaker 5: So I thought and question to you five, have you

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Speaker 5: you realize it was all in your head.

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Speaker 3: That's it. Thanks for putting up with me, guys. I

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Speaker 2: Hmmm. I don't think I've ever had anything like that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's what you were talking about in the episode, Like,

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Speaker 5: I you know, it's very similar to thinking about what

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Speaker 5: it would feel like to not be able to see

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Speaker 5: mind stuff and the idea of an internal monologue, I

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, guys. I've been living alone for

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Speaker 2: Sean Connery's voice. I'm not kidding, Samurai. Quite often I'm

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Speaker 2: walking around and just doing Sean looking at beautiful shading words.

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Speaker 1: Also, you have a probably have a better singing voice

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Speaker 3: Those notoriously bad singer.

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Speaker 4: He's not notoriously amazing singer.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I thought, I'm I thought, got it.

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Speaker 4: I just I've never really I compliment people.

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Speaker 2: It is true, Ben, I often walk around house singing

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Speaker 2: it's straight for your computer. Uh no, I'm just shoking.

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Speaker 2: like I'm talking to my dogs right, or I will

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Speaker 2: Is that really strange? Guys?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Okay, No, I think people talk to themselves all the time.

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Speaker 5: I talk out loud, I'll say, I'll exclaim things when

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Speaker 5: It's something you're you know, You're you're having a dialogue

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Speaker 3: It is the idea of talking to yourself.

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Speaker 5: Is that something that you've seen as well, like people

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Speaker 5: An external personality that's influencing them, whether positive or negative.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, going back to your correspondence here, Sam, and thank

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Speaker 4: you as always for writing in the what I said

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Speaker 4: on the earlier episode about hearing voices is true. One

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Speaker 4: of the one of the indicators is, as you pointed out,

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Speaker 5: Let's take a quick break, hear a word from our sponsor,

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Speaker 2: All Right, we've returned, and we are going to jump

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Speaker 6: Ad a longtime listener, first time caller, was calling to

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Speaker 6: My understanding is is that there's already a medbed hotels.

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Speaker 7: In England, I believe, and it just is a grift

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Speaker 7: You need to really address and kind of come to

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Speaker 7: these boomers for a ride. Well, love to hear back

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Speaker 2: Right, all right, Anonymous anonymous we with stories about med beds. Now, Guys,

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Speaker 2: before I jump into anything, have you ever heard of medbeds?

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Speaker 2: I don't think we've talked about them.

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Speaker 4: I have never heard of this until hearing this voicemail.

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Speaker 2: Now, oh boys, I was in the same position just

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Speaker 4: It's pretty interesting that what would you say to anybody

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Speaker 2: Well, first, I would say google it, just like you

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Speaker 2: copy and paste from an EI in press wire newsmatics

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Speaker 2: like a pr thing, right, they just got just got

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Speaker 2: And this is what the title is, Energy Spheres bringing

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Speaker 2: plasma energy based medbed technology to homes in the United

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Speaker 4: And is it a little tasty? Do you promise in

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Speaker 4: the end to tell us what pastelanon is. I have

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Speaker 4: no idea what that is, but okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: Well I also kind of got it in a way

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Speaker 5: Crystals, like hippie kind of like snake oil stuff.

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Speaker 4: That's sort of what I yeah, but also antisabetic so well.

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Speaker 2: I but see, I don't know if it is or not.

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Speaker 4: We gotta get to medbed first.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, we do, Okay, so I'm just gonna

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Speaker 2: read it quote. Medbeds and medbed type technology are a

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Speaker 2: Although the term medbed can have many meanings, many are

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Speaker 2: There are many rumors that the government has med bed

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Speaker 5: And they're about thirty grand a piece roughly, and they

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Speaker 4: To fifty thousand crystals, right, because you always want a

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Speaker 2: Well, let me just tell you. The most affordable of

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Speaker 2: these med beds that I've found run about thirty five

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Speaker 4: Thirty five hundred, What do they want? I'm sure you

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Speaker 2: Those are the ones. I think that these are the

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Speaker 2: that right now is the truth. That is what's going on.

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Speaker 2: And do you know why?

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Speaker 4: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: These plasmaspheres Guys, you may have seen these in a

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Speaker 4: Oh sharper image spencer gifts.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 5: You've seen your local science center. It's the thing that

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Speaker 5: that's different, well sort of. There's the one where you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what if you could lay on it? You know

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Speaker 2: But that's not at all what's happening here. There are

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Speaker 2: there's no connection to power or a power supply pollution. Okay.

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Speaker 2: They can also be used in nature away from electromagnetic pollution.

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Speaker 2: You can kind of see what's happening here, right stuff

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Speaker 4: You're a little bit of a vibe with us one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely a vibe going on. There are diagrams

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it seems on the surface, I'm already

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Speaker 5: Did you happen to catch the BBC article The Truth

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, that is really good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, from just just a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 5: It tells you to lay on your bed and think

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Speaker 2: In that same article, it states there were some versions

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Speaker 2: And I wondered if there's a place that I could

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Speaker 2: use a MED bed. Could I go to like a

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Speaker 2: spa and experience a MED bed? So I found a

442
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Speaker 2: place in San Clemente, California, is called O two Wellness,

443
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Speaker 2: and they've got on their website listed somewhere under services

444
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: a page titled the med bed and it says experience

445
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Speaker 2: of the med bed. Our medbed combines p EMF infrared

446
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Speaker 2: heat and brainwave Entrainment and trainment E n t r

447
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Speaker 2: AI n M E MT. To promote that I.

448
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Speaker 5: Don't know it exists in English it's got a cunk

449
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Speaker 5: on Earth kind of thing.

450
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Speaker 2: Way.

451
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Speaker 4: The way they're applying it, yeah, ask uh uh sort

452
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Speaker 4: of begs further explanation. Is well, I'm being very diplomatic here.

453
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Speaker 2: Well, and this is the part that flummekes me a

454
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Speaker 2: little bit. It says, uh, it uses those to promote

455
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Speaker 2: healing and balance in the mind and body. So healing

456
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Speaker 2: and balance. Whether you are perfectly healthy or you want

457
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Speaker 2: to treat a specific condition or symptom, the medbed can help.

458
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Speaker 4: If people were all perfectly healthy, none of them would

459
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Speaker 4: have died, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is this is the part that irks me,

461
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Speaker 2: and orks I think it irks everybody. It's said, well,

462
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Speaker 2: except for people who believe in it, And there are

463
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Speaker 2: a lot of people who believe this, like wholeheartedly, that

464
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Speaker 2: this medbed, this these technologies are somehow going to help.

465
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Speaker 2: And I don't want to just make anybody that would

466
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Speaker 2: believe that feel bad. It's just we know that this

467
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Speaker 2: there's no way that this medbed can treat things like

468
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Speaker 2: or help with acute or chronic pain and injuries, allergies,

469
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Speaker 2: autoimmune diseases, neuropathy, cataracts, Crohn's disease, diabetes, depression, lack of energy, heartburn,

470
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Speaker 2: herniated disks, immune support, ibs, kidney stones, menopause, migraines, obesity,

471
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Speaker 2: It goes on and on and on and on and on.

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Speaker 4: The only one I heard that is provable there is

473
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Speaker 4: is lack of energy. Right, if you get a lay

474
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Speaker 4: down at any point.

475
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Speaker 2: That's gonna help.

476
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Speaker 4: That's gonna help a little. But the rest of it,

477
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Speaker 4: to your nepe Matt and to you ad On, it

478
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Speaker 4: seems a bit broad in application. Whether it stands for

479
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Speaker 4: meditation bed or what is it medical bed, then it

480
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Speaker 4: seems like they're promising a lot, and to Nole's point,

481
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Speaker 4: it seems like they're not being required to prove efficacy.

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Speaker 4: So no, it is a little can surname.

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Speaker 6: You know.

484
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Speaker 3: It's interesting too.

485
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Speaker 5: In that article that we were talking about, there's a

486
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Speaker 5: company that keeps coming up called Tesla.

487
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, no relation to the relation.

488
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Speaker 3: Right, And that's like a branding nightmare. Tesla Biohealing.

489
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Speaker 5: I guess that's where Tesla is, Tesla Motors is Tesla

490
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Speaker 5: bio Healing. It is a famous individual's last name. I

491
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Speaker 5: guess it's no one can own Tesla out right, maybe,

492
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 5: but I don't know it's the subtitle matters. But anyway,

493
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Speaker 5: on the top of the article, there's a picture of

494
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Speaker 5: like what looks like a pay by the you know our.

495
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Speaker 3: Type fleabed fleabag motel.

496
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Speaker 5: Somewhere in Mississippi or on the Mississippi River is what

497
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Speaker 5: it says, that has been converted into a Tesla medbed center.

498
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Speaker 3: And it is.

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Speaker 5: It is scuzzy looking, it's rough and apparently this company

500
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Speaker 5: sells their med beds for twenty grand, but you can

501
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Speaker 5: get time with one for just one hundred and sixty bucks.

502
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Speaker 2: Well see, but now that's crazy because when I talked

503
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Speaker 2: to the actually lovely person at O two, and I

504
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Speaker 2: don't want to cast dispersions on that company at all,

505
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: because they offer all kinds of things. And again they're

506
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Speaker 2: offering a service that people are willing to pay for.

507
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: So whatever, it just seems a little whatever. They were

508
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 2: very kind and according to the person I spoke to,

509
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: it is forty dollars for ten minutes on a med bed, okay.

510
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Speaker 2: And so when your mind starts to wrap itself around that,

511
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Speaker 2: you think, okay, well it's only forty dollars. That's a

512
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Speaker 2: lot for you know, some people. But you do get

513
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Speaker 2: ten minutes, but then you realize that's only ten minutes.

514
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Speaker 3: How much tumor size reduction?

515
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Speaker 4: Are we talking six of an hour?

516
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. How long do

517
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Speaker 2: you need to be in there? And the person I

518
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: spoke to just said, well, people come in a lot.

519
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Speaker 4: Also, again, if there is not this guaranteed result. In

520
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 4: none of these cases anonymous have their been guaranteed results.

521
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 4: There have been claimed testimonials which are very much not

522
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 4: the same thing. Sort of how like before Google became alphabet,

523
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 4: they said don't be evil, which is not the same

524
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Speaker 4: thing as saying be good or do well.

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Speaker 6: You know.

526
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Speaker 4: Also, the idea it only really look it reminds me

527
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 4: a bit of the ivy things that sprung up where

528
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Speaker 4: they say we're going to just put some nutrients straight

529
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Speaker 4: into your veins, and there is efficacy, there is advantage

530
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Speaker 4: to that, but perhaps not all of the advantages advertised

531
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Speaker 4: right by the people who want to hook you up

532
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Speaker 4: to the thing. You could say that, you could say

533
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 4: that overall, yes, people are stressed. Overall, yes, people do

534
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 4: need time to go horizontal and relax for a little bit.

535
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Speaker 4: You know, why not? What what differentiates a medbed from a

536
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Speaker 4: sense dev tank. You could put the same technology in both.

537
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Speaker 4: And I like multifunctional things.

538
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Speaker 3: That's a good point, ben.

539
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Speaker 5: And also like, I don't think anyone's claiming that a

540
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Speaker 5: sensory deprivation tank is going.

541
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Speaker 3: To cure you of all of your you know, ailments.

542
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: It is.

543
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Speaker 5: It is more marketed, is sort of a new aid

544
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 5: sort of meditative, you know, introspective kind of thing in

545
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Speaker 5: my understanding at.

546
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Speaker 2: Least, Yeah, yeah, I think if you meditate like that,

547
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: it's going to be good for you. But if you

548
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: and well here's the other thing, if you placebo think

549
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: that pe m f right, that whole plasma electromagnetic field

550
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: therapy thing sure is going to somehow have an effect

551
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: on you. Maybe it will.

552
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 7: Maybe.

553
00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: If you go to I MRS Prime pr ime dot com,

554
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: you can see the specific type of med bed which

555
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: is really just a computer system that you apply on

556
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: a bed that is the one that is at that

557
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: two wellness place, and you can again, you can read

558
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: all about it until you get to the very bottom.

559
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: And just like that BBC article says noluh, it says

560
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: the IMRS Prime Wellness system is not licensed or certified

561
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: as a medical device. The system is not intended to diagnose, cure, treat, mitigate,

562
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: or prevent any particular disease or symptom of a disease.

563
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 4: And that same warning applies to this show.

564
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 5: Yes, what was that catch all term the Anon used?

565
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 5: Pistachio gonon, what was it pastell and pstell. I still

566
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 5: want to know more about that.

567
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 4: Oh, it's not as deep redque.

568
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: The whole reason people are super excited about not the

569
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: whole reason. The reason this is getting traction. We didn't

570
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: even talk about that. Well, it's not because it's not

571
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: directly because of q Andon, but there are so many

572
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: rumors that are being spread, just spread everywhere, especially weirdly enough,

573
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: as our anonymous caller is saying, in slightly older generations,

574
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: like just be beyond ours that speak of elysium level technology,

575
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: of these special beds that cure anything and everything. No

576
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: matter how dead you are or how hurt you are,

577
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: this thing's gonna get you and you'll be fine, just

578
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: come right back.

579
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 4: And it's the extreme like the QAnon tie, right, is

580
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: that this elysium level I love that, Matt. This elysium

581
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 4: level technology is used to keep Jay Fitzgerald pop pop

582
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 4: Kennedy alive until such a time as his revelatory return.

583
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: Well, and it's tied that too, but now it's gone

584
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: beyond that. Now it is just oh, these oh yeah,

585
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: you heard about the med the medbeds, right that they've

586
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: got this freaking med beds, the Illuminatis guy or you know,

587
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: and it just becomes something people will talk about and

588
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: just mention, and it's just kind of accepted as it continues.

589
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 5: I just want an add to the whole Uh. I

590
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 5: think you brushed over this for maybe I didn't quite

591
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 5: get an answer. But pastellanon is just specifically kind of

592
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 5: like an aesthetic quality of spreading some of these QAnon

593
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 5: type memes, Like remember the Wayfair scandal, where there was

594
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 5: this whole rumor that like Wayfair, the furniture company, it

595
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 5: was doing sex trafficking and.

596
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.

597
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 5: But a lot of the pastellanon thing comes from a

598
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 5: feminine aesthetic that's that's associated with spreading these types of messages.

599
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 5: So it'll be like nice, soft, warm colors and like

600
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 5: wavy text sort of like eat prey love kind of signage,

601
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 5: but spreading you know, Q kind of conspiracy stuff.

602
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: Interesting.

603
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 3: I did not I did not know that that's really fascinating.

604
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're looking to that more.

605
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: All right.

606
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: Well, hey, that's all we know for now. Anon. We

607
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: hope your mom's okay. We hope anyone out there who

608
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: is using one of these medbeds who has experienced with

609
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: it will write to us and tell us your experience

610
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: and just let us know how you feel about it.

611
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: That would be great. We'll be right back with more

612
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: messages from you.

613
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 4: And I'd like to start this segment by thinking, again,

614
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 4: everybody who wrote in this is fascinating stuff. I want

615
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 4: to be fully clear at the end of this listener

616
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 4: mail segment, I may do something that is considered a

617
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 4: bit of an advertisement, perhaps problematic. What are we talking about?

618
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 4: You'll see in a moment. Our first letter comes from

619
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 4: glass Gate. Glassgate first off says you're welcome to read

620
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 4: what I've written. If you wish, please refer to me

621
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 4: as Class Skate, and then notes they would love for

622
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 4: us to cover and for us to dive deep into

623
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: homeowner associations to do an episode on Hoa's. We've talked

624
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 4: about it a bit. I think we agree it's a

625
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 4: I think we agreed to an episode in the future

626
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 4: and Glassgate is writing to us about operational security. You know,

627
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 4: how you go to a community that has some sort

628
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 4: of gated thing like a touchpad or a card swipe. Yeah,

629
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Speaker 4: and glass Skate says, I wouldn't say these gates are

630
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 4: completely ineffective, but I do think they mostly serve as

631
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 4: a reminder to help honest people stay honest and to

632
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 4: give residents a false sense of security. At one of

633
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 4: my prior jobs, I would work with a gatecode system

634
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 4: and have become familiar with a handful of them. Like

635
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: many other systems, a lot of gatecode systems have a

636
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 4: default gate code. A large number of communities never changed

637
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 4: nor disable that default code. So if someone happens to

638
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 4: be familiar with a list of these gate codes, they

639
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 4: could sit and try multiple default codes to see if

640
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 4: they could get it. Now, let's pause there first reactions.

641
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 4: Have you guys ever done.

642
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: This found a default gate code?

643
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 4: Yeah?

644
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: No, but sounds good.

645
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: I just try six sixty six on all of them,

646
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: just to see.

647
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 4: I bet that, you know what? I bet that works

648
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 4: in Los Angeles and Las Vegas one hundred or yeah

649
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 4: one like that? Yeah, I do the sequential number. Uh No,

650
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 4: I don't.

651
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: I don't actually do this, I'm.

652
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 5: I mean, it would be kind of creepy, right, isn't

653
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 5: that like going and testing people's gates.

654
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 4: Well, if it's if it's people's gates, that's different from

655
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 4: an institution, that fair intriguing.

656
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 3: It is the people's gate who live behind said gate.

657
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 4: Right Again, if it's an institution, it's far less ethically fraught,

658
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Speaker 4: and Glassgate continues and says. In addition, a lot of

659
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Speaker 4: gate systems have a code that's designated for emergency services.

660
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Speaker 4: That means that anytime anyone in emergency, police, fire, or

661
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Speaker 4: medical services who is given one of these codes for

662
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Speaker 4: access basically has that code going forward. Modern systems make

663
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Speaker 4: it easier to change codes, but because emergency services need

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Speaker 4: access at unexpected times, it's generally not too wise to

665
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Speaker 4: change those codes. The code works just like any other,

666
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Speaker 4: so in many systems it's not like it's likely to

667
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Speaker 4: alert anyone that the emergency access code was used. In

668
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Speaker 4: some systems it may hit a log, but it's rare

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Speaker 4: that a system allows a special notification to be sent

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Speaker 4: and that someone has taken time to set up such

671
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Speaker 4: a notification. Kind of scary to pause here, because it

672
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Speaker 4: sounds like and you guys correct me if I'm off base.

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Speaker 4: It sounds like what glass Gate is saying is that

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Speaker 4: there are a lot of people who get handed skeleton.

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Speaker 3: Keys and then it never gets changed.

676
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Speaker 1: And it never gets changed. Does that sound about right?

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Speaker 3: I think so?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly, yeah, And glass Gate continues like some sort

679
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Speaker 4: of hellish Billy mays. But wait, it gets worse. Long ago,

680
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Speaker 4: I worked for a consolidated police and fire Department nine

681
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Speaker 4: one one dispatch center which covered all of Salt Lake County.

682
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Speaker 4: Our computer aided dispatch system would keep records on addresses

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Speaker 4: anything they dispatch for and would add what are called

684
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Speaker 4: hazard flags to any address. And one of the things

685
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 4: they would use in that hazard field, right, that sort

686
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Speaker 4: of metadata for sending people out was the emergency access

687
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: gatecode for any quote, apartment, complex, community organization, company, you

688
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Speaker 4: name it. And while that stuff was pretty up to date,

689
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Speaker 4: because there were emergencies of plenty, I imagine there was

690
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Speaker 4: very little logging in place in order to track who

691
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Speaker 4: add access to that information. The logs would not do

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Speaker 4: anything substantive in terms of chain of command. And I'm

693
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Speaker 4: paraphrasing a lot here.

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Speaker 2: But basically they wouldn't pinpoint an individual's access, right, that's

695
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Speaker 2: what it's saying, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, that's exactly what Glassgate is said. And Glas

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Speaker 4: goes on to say, here's a quick list of anyone

698
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Speaker 4: I can think of right off the top of my

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Speaker 4: head who would have access. And now we have a

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Speaker 4: four point bullet list. Maybe we round robinet. Now you

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Speaker 4: want to start.

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Speaker 2: Sure, every police officer or detective in many employees of

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Speaker 2: any police department we dispatched for, which was almost all

704
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Speaker 2: of them in the county, which, again, theoretically that's good. Right,

705
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Speaker 2: A police officer can gain access if you're stuck in

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Speaker 2: your apartment or a part of your apartment complex, or

707
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Speaker 2: even job right at your place of business and you're

708
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Speaker 2: in trouble, an officer can come and aid you. Theoretically

709
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Speaker 2: that's good.

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Speaker 5: Every firefighter at emergency medical technician as well as most

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Speaker 5: fire department employees in the entire county.

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Speaker 4: And the third would be various contractors that Glassgate Center

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Speaker 4: worked with at various times, sometimes or long sustained periods.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, yeah, I'm just here to do it.

715
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Speaker 4: I'm just here to do the HVAC.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we were talking about this on that news piece.

717
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Speaker 5: You brought Matt about the Los Angeles killings of the

718
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Speaker 5: young women very close to one another, and that's sort

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Speaker 5: of where this came up.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if this is what glass.

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Speaker 2: I think that's exactly referencing. I think Glassgate is doing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the uh And to continue, the fourth point

723
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Speaker 4: would be, perhaps most importantly, says Glassgate, basically every employee

724
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Speaker 4: of the company which created and maintained the system. The

725
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Speaker 4: last point is important, says Glassgate, because this was a

726
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Speaker 4: popular CAD system used across the country for not the county,

727
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Speaker 4: the country, for small to mid sized agencies. The employees

728
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Speaker 4: of this business effectively have access to gate codes across

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Speaker 4: the entirety of the United States. Again, the company was

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Speaker 4: based in Utah, does not have remote employees. And then

731
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Speaker 4: Glassgate says the following, And you know what, let's round

732
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Speaker 4: robin this again. Somebody pick up here that said, consider.

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Speaker 2: This, Motorola provides their own CAD or computer aided dispatch system.

734
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Speaker 2: The targets large agencies.

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Speaker 5: Idea what one looks like or how secure its information

736
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Speaker 5: might be. But they bought out the company which supplied

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Speaker 5: the CAD system to which I'm referring to years ago.

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Speaker 4: So feasibly. A lot of employees at Motorola now also

739
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Speaker 4: have access to that sort of information.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Motorola has offices in twenty four locations across the country.

741
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: They have innumerable contractors and provide CAD systems to agencies

742
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Speaker 2: small and large.

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Speaker 4: Sleep type gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, see, it's just so. Anyone that installs your

745
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 2: home security system, anyone who installs your garage door, you know,

746
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Speaker 2: any company that has those things has these default codes.

747
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 4: Any delivery service that visit you regularly such that you say, hey,

748
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 4: it's more convenient for you to just be able to

749
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Speaker 4: get in and drop it off.

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Speaker 2: It's not fun.

751
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 4: It's not fun. It is a It is an important point.

752
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 4: And you know this will be of great interest not

753
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 4: only to you Glassgate, but I think to all of

754
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: us tuning in this evening. There is a device that

755
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 4: you can buy to play along at home called the

756
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 4: Flippers zero. Have you heard of this?

757
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: No, tell us.

758
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 4: The Flipper zero is a relatively affordable let's call it

759
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 4: a multi tool for pin testers and geeks until they

760
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 4: describe themselves. The Flipper zero is something that can play

761
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 4: with radio protocols, control systems, access hardware, things like that

762
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 4: it's open source, it's customizable, you can play along with it.

763
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Speaker 4: And what I'm saying is to add to your point,

764
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 4: glass Gate, these entry thresholds often they're socio they're they're

765
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Speaker 4: social barriers, they're not hard barriers.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

767
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Speaker 4: The Flipper zero might be scary to people because think

768
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Speaker 4: of how many modern cars work on a keyfob. You know,

769
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Speaker 4: that's all just what a radio frequency. I'm not an expert,

770
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 4: but if one could emulate that radio frequency, a lot

771
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 4: more cars are unlocked. It reminds me a little bit

772
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Speaker 4: of the the the small picket fences that are ornamental

773
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 4: that you see outside of so many houses in the suburbs.

774
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 4: They go up to about your waist, and you think

775
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 4: that is not even stopping short of it's more of

776
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 4: a suggestion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is this the one you said I would be

778
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: really interested in, Ben.

779
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 4: Yes, I put that in our notes. I thought you

780
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 4: would be very interested in the flipper zero, Matt.

781
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: Why because.

782
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 4: It's a way to explore different signals right vasively as well.

783
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 4: It's fascinating. In full disclosure, this should not at all

784
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 4: ever be used for anything illegal, And in full disclosure,

785
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 4: I'm sure there are people using this for illegal means

786
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 4: I don't think even law enforcement should have a skeleton

787
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 4: key to all fob operated car bocks.

788
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Speaker 2: Well, hey, weirdly enough, guys, I've got I've either got

789
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: a poltergeist living in and around my garage or somebody

790
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: tampered with my external garage door opener that I have,

791
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 2: which is a whole lot of fun.

792
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 5: Really, So, yeah, you thought that you accidentally left it open,

793
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 5: but in fact it has been spontaneously opening.

794
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not functioning anymore. The password got changed on it,

795
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: and I was like, huh, that's kind of strange. I

796
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: was gone for a little while.

797
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Speaker 4: That's concerning because also, yeah, we were talking earlier and

798
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 4: you said you left the garage door open, and it

799
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 4: just seems very unlike you.

800
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Speaker 2: Yep. So that's fun. The good thing is if they

801
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: come in my house, they got to deal with me.

802
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 4: So well, that is that is a chilling point about this,

803
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 4: and it's one that perhaps Glassgate is referring to here.

804
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Speaker 4: The things that may seem secure are I don't know.

805
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking about like chain of custody, what do

806
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: you It's like asking about changing your password. How often

807
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 4: does one change one's password?

808
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: Right?

809
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 4: How do you how do you change those codes? For

810
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Speaker 4: law enforcement?

811
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean our work one requires us to do

812
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 5: it every so often, but I bet most people take

813
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 5: the path of least resistance and just add a digit

814
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 5: on there.

815
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Speaker 2: You know.

816
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 5: Whatever happened on is password wallets, remember those Those are

817
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 5: popular for a minute, right, will generate you you have

818
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 5: a master password that it generates you random passwords that

819
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 5: are really complicated. You think there'd be one of those

820
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 5: for a home security system, you know, or something along

821
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 5: those lines, where you would know that it would cycle through,

822
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Speaker 5: you know, in a way that it couldn't be replicated.

823
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 4: There might be a that's a good question for the

824
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Speaker 4: home security stuff. I imagine for direct access or even remote access,

825
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 4: there's the facial recognition, some kind of soft biometric going in.

826
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Speaker 5: You know, movies are any indication all you got to

827
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 5: do is scoop somebody's eye out and then you hold

828
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Speaker 5: it up to the thing and then you get access

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Speaker 5: to the launch deck.

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Speaker 2: We've all learned this.

831
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well, the thing that movies miss, I think

832
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 4: often is that the eye scans that they're alluding to,

833
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 4: which are real things, also factor in temperature of the eye,

834
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Speaker 4: So you gotta it's.

835
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Speaker 3: Like gotta be fresh.

836
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 4: It's like cheating on a test, you know what I mean,

837
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Speaker 4: Like the people who cheat on piss tests will try

838
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 4: to have whatever fake piss warm. You gotta like kind

839
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Speaker 4: of you know, roll the eye around a little bit

840
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 4: in your hands.

841
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, those piss tasts take that into account if

842
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 5: you buy those kids.

843
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 3: So I've heard they come with little handwarmer.

844
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 5: Things and you and you and you keep them in

845
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 5: there and they warm it up and then you keep

846
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Speaker 5: it close to.

847
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Speaker 3: Your body can strip on there. That tells you what

848
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: the temp is. So I've heard, is what I say.

849
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Speaker 1: Right.

850
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Speaker 4: Also, I'm kidding about the temperature of the eyeball. It's

851
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 4: not going to work. Please, if you're hearing this and

852
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 4: you thought you were on the fence about it, don't

853
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 4: take someone's eye out and try to get into that

854
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 4: place because it's also it's going to need to be

855
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 4: an actionable eye. And the technology to create something that

856
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 4: dilates that way and responds that way to light without

857
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 4: being plugged into a human skull is very non existent.

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Speaker 5: Well you say so you need an actionable eye. I

859
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 5: get you an actionable actionable eye.

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Speaker 3: Oh you know, ah, you.

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Speaker 4: Know you got ane with a guy.

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Speaker 3: I got an actional eye guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we are speaking of folks who have eyes on.

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Speaker 4: We are so grateful for your time this evening, fellow

865
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Speaker 4: conspiracy realist. Thank you to Anonymous, Thank you to Glassgate,

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Speaker 4: Thank you to Samurai, everyone else who wrote in, who

867
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Speaker 4: continues to contact us during these strange, dare we say,

868
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Speaker 4: interesting times. If you want to take a page out

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Speaker 3: It's right.

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Speaker 5: We are conspiracy stuff on YouTube and Facebook, and we

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Speaker 5: are conspiracy stuff show on Instagram and TikTok.

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