WEBVTT - Rhodesian Bush War Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>This is a Jesse Kelly Show.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of the

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse Kelly Show on a magnificent Wednesday. So you know

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<v Speaker 2>in hour three there's some hopeful signs on the horizon

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<v Speaker 2>so much more coming up in the third hour of

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<v Speaker 2>The Jesse Kelly Show. But it's our two and as promised,

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<v Speaker 2>we are now going to pick up where we left

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<v Speaker 2>off last night and continue our history, a history not

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<v Speaker 2>many people know about the Rhodesian Bush War. If you

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<v Speaker 2>missed a lot of the background, and so much of

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<v Speaker 2>it was background, It was tribal stuff. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>miss that, I don't have time to recap it for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we must move on in the story. iHeart Spotify iTunes.

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<v Speaker 2>You can go download the podcast. It's all free. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no charge for any of this. Our two of last night,

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<v Speaker 2>we gave a lot of the background, your thirty second

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<v Speaker 2>to one minute background.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this.

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<v Speaker 2>A man named Cecil Rhodes grabbed a bunch of miners,

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<v Speaker 2>other people, yes, women and children, walked into a tribal land,

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<v Speaker 2>a tribal land that had stuff he wanted. They started

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<v Speaker 2>to mine there. There were two historically there were more,

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<v Speaker 2>but two main rival tribes there who hated each other

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<v Speaker 2>and slaid each other, slaughtered each other, raped each other,

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<v Speaker 2>and burned each other alive for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 2>At some point they did it in front of the Europeans.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a big uprising. The Europeans were mortified by

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<v Speaker 2>such savagery, and they stepped up and they said, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this place is kind of ours. Now this is done.

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<v Speaker 2>You all, you people, you tribes, you tribesmen, you go

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<v Speaker 2>over there. You other tribesmen, you go over there. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what colonization looked like a lot of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>We're about to lay it out for the British Empire.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember when your history professor in college was whining and

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<v Speaker 2>crying about colonialism. That's actually kind of a ridiculous term

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<v Speaker 2>because there are so many different ways to quote colonize

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<v Speaker 2>a country. And let's be honest, right now. Colonization is

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<v Speaker 2>simply a more peaceful form of conquest. That's what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's just call it all conquest, shall we. There

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<v Speaker 2>is a spectrum, isn't there? We could go with the old. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the easiest one would be Genghis Khan form of conquest. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I really like your lands. I think I shall take

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<v Speaker 2>my gigantic army in there and i will slaughter every man,

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<v Speaker 2>woman and child. I'll even send a rearguard back to

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<v Speaker 2>your city to ensure I killed all the pets, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I'll move in. That is obviously an extreme end

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<v Speaker 2>of that spectrum, but that's how conquest has been done.

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<v Speaker 2>Then there are other types. The French. The French would

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<v Speaker 2>be more likely to kind of not really move in,

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<v Speaker 2>but trade with you, right, They'll provide security, they'll trade

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<v Speaker 2>with you. The Spanish. The Spanish were about as hands

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<v Speaker 2>off with so much of their conquest as you can be.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know about the Spanish conquest of Mexico and whatnot,

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<v Speaker 2>but the Spanish and all their colonization or conquests, they

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<v Speaker 2>really just kind of wanted the gold. Hey, just give

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<v Speaker 2>me some gold. You have any gold, I'll take some gold.

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<v Speaker 2>The British, in my opinion, did it smarter than anyone else,

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<v Speaker 2>because here's what the British always believed about conquering colonizing

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<v Speaker 2>any place. The British believed that you should move in.

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<v Speaker 2>They believe that possession was nine tenths of the law.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can't ever really grab control of a place

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<v Speaker 2>just by sending emissaries from Afar and picking up a

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<v Speaker 2>shipment of gold along the coast. No, you needed your

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<v Speaker 2>people physically building homes and schools and roads. You need

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<v Speaker 2>your people moving in and setting up shop. But wait,

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<v Speaker 2>there's more. I don't want to make it sound all

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<v Speaker 2>bad if you're against conquest. They also believed in integrating

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<v Speaker 2>the local population as you moved in. The Brits did

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<v Speaker 2>not want to slaughter everybody. They actually didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>send everyone away as refugees. And we're talking about this

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<v Speaker 2>spot in Africa Africa here, but Britain did this in

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<v Speaker 2>many other places. They wanted to find a way where, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they took over. I'm not making them sound completely magnanimous here.

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<v Speaker 2>They wanted to take over, but they also wanted to Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>all these tribes and things like that. Look will help

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<v Speaker 2>you out too. How About how about some clothes, how

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<v Speaker 2>about a job? How about access to medicine, how about

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<v Speaker 2>how let's let's help let us help you too. You

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna work for us, like you're gonna work under us.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's be honest, but we're gonna help each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>Your life will be better. And I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>act as if they did this just out of the

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<v Speaker 2>kindness of their hearts. Of course there'd be some of that,

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<v Speaker 2>but really, for the Brits, and this is why I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was so brilliant, it just made more sense.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to take the place, we want to take

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<v Speaker 2>it over. Slaughtering everybody generally doesn't work. It's hard to do,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to maintain. As we've talked about before in

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<v Speaker 2>the show, you can't really kill your way out of

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<v Speaker 2>a problem. Usually that's difficult. But if you can somehow

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<v Speaker 2>make the people you're conquering make their day to day

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<v Speaker 2>lives better, then you have to deal with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>less rebellion, a lot fewer problems. They might even go

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<v Speaker 2>along with it, and in fact, Rhodesia eventually, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>quite there yet, Rhodesia kind of gets to that place

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<v Speaker 2>for a while. But right now we are post this

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<v Speaker 2>little tribal war. The English are mortified. The Europeans in

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<v Speaker 2>Zimbabwe are mortified, and they say, Okay, enough is enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's ours. But what does it's ours mean? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about what it was before the Europeans got there.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, tribal lands. But what does that mean lands? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>a tribe, at least these tribes, the way they worked,

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<v Speaker 2>they would find some remote area, well it's all remote,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no civilization. They'd find an area that had things

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<v Speaker 2>they needed. And what does every tribe need? Every tribe

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<v Speaker 2>needs some way to eat. Maybe you're a hunting tribe,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you do agriculture. Every tribe needs water. Let's find

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<v Speaker 2>a river, let's find something. Tribes are going to find

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<v Speaker 2>locations that work for them and that's where they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to build their village, their huts. That's how it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to work. And in many ways, the tribes were extremely isolated.

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<v Speaker 2>The villages were isolated from each other. These were people

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<v Speaker 2>who didn't build roads, they didn't have the wheel. You

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<v Speaker 2>as a young boy, I mentioned the two tribes yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll mention them again, the Shona and the Indobelly. And

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, the Indebelly go buy several names. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just calling them into Belly, the Shona in the end

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<v Speaker 2>of Beelly. If you were a young boy, you were

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<v Speaker 2>born in this village, this indobelly village, there is a

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<v Speaker 2>reasonable chance you never left. Yeah, you would go out

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<v Speaker 2>and you would go hunt, or maybe you would go

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<v Speaker 2>to war or something like that. But you certainly didn't

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<v Speaker 2>bounce around the country. We modern day people, certainly modern

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<v Speaker 2>day Americans. Anyone, anyone living in a first world country

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<v Speaker 2>listening to me right now, you've been on a road trip,

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<v Speaker 2>How haven't you? Maybe you still live in your hometown,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know what a place one hundred miles from

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<v Speaker 2>you looks like, don't you? Of course you're almost probably

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<v Speaker 2>scoffing and laughing. Of course everyone does. Maybe you've even

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<v Speaker 2>been on a plane. That way of thinking is totally

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<v Speaker 2>foreign to these people who live in this area. What's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the very first things the Europeans start to do. Roads,

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<v Speaker 2>They start to build roads, they start to build train tracks.

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<v Speaker 2>Why well, they're moving goods and services and people to

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<v Speaker 2>and fro and now they're connecting villages that had previously

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<v Speaker 2>never been connected before. The African people in some time,

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<v Speaker 2>in some ways they're moving to and fro in ways

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<v Speaker 2>they've never moved before. And in some ways they're getting

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<v Speaker 2>run out of an area. If the English, if the

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<v Speaker 2>europe let's stop calling them English, because there were people

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<v Speaker 2>from all over the European world. If the Europeans wanted

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<v Speaker 2>that area, remember they decided they were in charge now

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<v Speaker 2>they said you need to leave. Well, they were also

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<v Speaker 2>integrating the local population, as I mentioned, they tried to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. They really believed in doing that. Let's find

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<v Speaker 2>a way to weave these people into our society. And

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<v Speaker 2>remember there weren't very many Europeans at the time, not

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<v Speaker 2>very many at all. They were way out numbered by

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<v Speaker 2>the tribesmen. So crime, for instance, you don't have this

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<v Speaker 2>large European police force. What do you do for cops?

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<v Speaker 2>Every area needs cops. Well, that can create problems if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't understand the area you're taking over. We'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to those problems in a moment. There's about to be

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<v Speaker 2>a rebellion, a first one. I should say before we

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<v Speaker 2>get to rebellion time, I want you to rebel against pain.

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<v Speaker 1>More. Next Jesse Kelly Vaccian.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic, Fantastic Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>a hump Day, doing part two of our history of

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<v Speaker 2>the Rhodesian bush War. Remember you can email us your love,

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<v Speaker 2>The Europeans are starting to take over. They're starting to

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<v Speaker 2>build roads, they're starting to build trains, They're starting to

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<v Speaker 2>connect African villages that have never been connected before. They're

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<v Speaker 2>starting to run Africans out of certain places. Now, this

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<v Speaker 2>is where, this is why I keep bringing up the

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<v Speaker 2>two tribes, because these two tribes, the fact that there

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<v Speaker 2>are two tribes who hate each other, is always going

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<v Speaker 2>to come into play in this entire story, right up

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<v Speaker 2>to the horrible brutal ending of it. Not to give

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing away. Remember before these guys even got here,

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<v Speaker 2>the Shona had been conquered by the end of Belly.

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<v Speaker 2>They were slaves under the end of Belly. Those kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of hard feelings don't go away easily. And the Europeans

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<v Speaker 2>just got there, they just arrived five minutes ago. It's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to understand everything about the culture you're conquering. It's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to understand old tribal rivalries and bad blood. It's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to understand the religious significance, different significance of different things,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, And this is going to come into play

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<v Speaker 2>for virtually all these tribes. You know, what was really

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<v Speaker 2>a currency for them, almost a sacred level of currency,

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<v Speaker 2>a status symbol cattle. How many cattle do how many

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<v Speaker 2>cows do you have? You have a lot of cattle.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you've only got three. Oh that sucks, Chris, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got five. Must suck to be so low class. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you're laughing, But that's how that's how it worked.

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<v Speaker 2>If you were a king, part of that status would

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<v Speaker 2>be look at all of our cattle. Well, what are

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<v Speaker 2>cattle to the Europeans at this point in time? Just

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<v Speaker 2>what they're beef? It's beef or its milk. It's no

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<v Speaker 2>big deal. You raise them, you kill them, whatever. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just one of those things they didn't quite get. They

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<v Speaker 2>also needed a police force, and they're trying to integrate

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<v Speaker 2>the local tribes. But let me ask you something. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you ever have any bad blood in your family? Every

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<v Speaker 2>family hasn't, maybe even in your town a rival town arrival,

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<v Speaker 2>family arrival, this arrival that. I want you to imagine

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<v Speaker 2>this when it comes to Zimbabwe that we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Let's say your people, your people had historically

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<v Speaker 2>kept the Shona as slaves and slavery. Remember was not

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<v Speaker 2>touchy feely, not at all ugly things for women children.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just say, maybe your mother had been a slave

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<v Speaker 2>of the endobelly. You're now twenty five years old. Your

0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.680
<v Speaker 2>mother raised you with those stories of what the Indibelly

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<v Speaker 2>did to them. The Europeans knock on the door of

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<v Speaker 2>your hut and they're handing you a policeman's uniform because

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<v Speaker 2>now you you are going to help police some of

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<v Speaker 2>the indobelly areas and you have the power of law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement behind your badge. You don't have some oath you

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<v Speaker 2>take or even believe in. You're a tribesman who's historically

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<v Speaker 2>been at war, and that tribe has historically abused your family,

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<v Speaker 2>and now you're about to get a weapon and two

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<v Speaker 2>or three of your cop buddies and you're about to

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<v Speaker 2>walk into their area. Do you think there would be

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<v Speaker 2>any temptation to abuse that kind of power. This happened often.

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<v Speaker 2>The Europeans were having and will always have such a

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<v Speaker 2>difficult time keeping the tribes separate from each other, understanding

0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.960
<v Speaker 2>the depth of hatred they have for each other. There

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<v Speaker 2>was African police au African on African police abuse all

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<v Speaker 2>over the place. Combine that with this. I already talked

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<v Speaker 2>about historically how these tribes work. They lived in their

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<v Speaker 2>little villages. Now they're being moved onto what are essentially reservations.

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<v Speaker 2>They're getting moved away from their historic homelands. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>thrilled about it. Now, let's add one more element to it.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a long complicated affair. For the sake

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<v Speaker 2>of not having this be a ten episode thing, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>fast forwarding through some things. There gets to be a

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<v Speaker 2>plague with the cows. What do the Europeans do when

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<v Speaker 2>there's a cow plague? They do what any civilized society

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<v Speaker 2>would do, and they start to kill the cows. I

0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:52.760
<v Speaker 2>just got done explaining cows are sacred to these people,

0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:57.480
<v Speaker 2>a status symbol to these people. As a European, you

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<v Speaker 2>may have everyone's best interests at heart. When you send

0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.960
<v Speaker 2>a few guys onto somebody's land and shoot twenty of

0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:09.879
<v Speaker 2>his cows in the head, he is almost undoubtedly going

0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:16.840
<v Speaker 2>to interpret that act differently than you do. It's bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Rebellion breaks out. Rebellion breaks out. In fact, you should know,

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<v Speaker 2>I won't tell you the name of it, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>another detail. I'm already drowning you in details. But they

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<v Speaker 2>consider the Rhodesian Bush War to be the second version

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<v Speaker 2>of this rebellion. That's what they call it. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the first of these rebellions. The tribes rise up, they rebel.

0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.800
<v Speaker 2>They are not as technologically advanced they do, however, have

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers. It's slaughter, it's destruction. They're doing things like

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<v Speaker 2>one miner. He had worked with ten Africans on a

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<v Speaker 2>mind for a long time. He then found himself with

0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.280
<v Speaker 2>them crawling into the mind trying to beat him to

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<v Speaker 2>death one night. There are some stories I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 2>in a moment. Before we get to some of these stories,

0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.880
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<v Speaker 2>It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the land down under Africa tonight as we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Quit what, Chris, I'm not a geologist, all right, I

0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.520
<v Speaker 2>don't know everything. All right. Back to our history of

0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:42.639
<v Speaker 2>the Rhodesian Bush War. The Europeans had set up the trains,

0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:46.240
<v Speaker 2>they'd set up the villages. The tribes were hating each other.

0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.400
<v Speaker 2>The tribes were not liking this European rule, and they

0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:53.040
<v Speaker 2>broke out in rebellion. Now, this is nothing like the

0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:56.480
<v Speaker 2>rebellion that will happen during the Rhodesian Bush War. This

0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:01.840
<v Speaker 2>is completely disorganized. There aren't a the central leaders. And

0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:05.240
<v Speaker 2>remember the two tribes hate each other as much as

0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:09.159
<v Speaker 2>they hate the Europeans. So what does this rebellion look like?

0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:15.200
<v Speaker 2>It sounds horrifying, but it's essentially small areas where panic

0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:21.840
<v Speaker 2>gets inflamed, anger gets inflamed, and it's oftentimes led by

0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:28.879
<v Speaker 2>local religious leaders, local tribal religious leaders, you know, all

0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:33.320
<v Speaker 2>these weird tribal false religions. Local religious leaders would get

0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:38.119
<v Speaker 2>their local area to rise up against the white invaders,

0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:42.080
<v Speaker 2>the European invaders. I told you briefly about that story

0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.600
<v Speaker 2>of the miner. Well you know how most of that

0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.919
<v Speaker 2>story went. He walked out of his house to find

0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.240
<v Speaker 2>ten Africans who he had worked with on the mine,

0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:53.399
<v Speaker 2>not slaves or something like that, you know, working with

0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.280
<v Speaker 2>them every day lunch wages. That there were co workers

0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:01.919
<v Speaker 2>with war clubs. This animal manages to wrestle one of

0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:05.280
<v Speaker 2>the war clubs from him. They start beating him. He

0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.080
<v Speaker 2>starts swinging back and beating them. He makes his way

0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.439
<v Speaker 2>all the way into the mind shaft where he rolls

0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.760
<v Speaker 2>down into the mind shaft. And then he has more

0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.840
<v Speaker 2>miners in the mind shaft who he's worked with, who

0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:21.600
<v Speaker 2>he thinks will come to his aid, and they start

0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:25.520
<v Speaker 2>beating him too. He starts fighting them off. He's fighting

0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:29.600
<v Speaker 2>his way through the mines. These things happen. In another incident,

0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:34.920
<v Speaker 2>two guys are sitting there, there are women and children

0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:39.800
<v Speaker 2>hidden behind them, and the tribesmen have surrounded the mine

0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:43.639
<v Speaker 2>and they are essentially getting ready to kill everyone in it.

0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:47.040
<v Speaker 2>The two dudes make a break for it. What are

0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:50.320
<v Speaker 2>they making a break for. They're going for the telegraph

0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:53.480
<v Speaker 2>line so they can telegraph for help so the women

0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.640
<v Speaker 2>and children won't die. They book it, one of them,

0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.359
<v Speaker 2>actually both of them end up making it the entire

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<v Speaker 2>way to the telegraph hut. One holds the door closed

0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:08.160
<v Speaker 2>from the angry tribesmen behind him, while the other gets

0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:12.919
<v Speaker 2>on the telegraph machine and telegraphs the message out. Eventually,

0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:16.560
<v Speaker 2>the door is kicked down and both men die with

0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:22.119
<v Speaker 2>African spears sticking out from all over their bodies. This

0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:27.240
<v Speaker 2>is taking place all across Zimbabwe at this time, but

0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:31.320
<v Speaker 2>as I said, it is not unified. It is poorly led.

0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:36.240
<v Speaker 2>And eventually the Europeans raise for themselves, or that they

0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:38.640
<v Speaker 2>should say, they get back their army. It's a long

0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:41.280
<v Speaker 2>story I won't go into. Most of their fighting men

0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:44.200
<v Speaker 2>had gone to fight somewhere else and they'd been captured.

0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:47.920
<v Speaker 2>They get their fighting men, and their fighting men are

0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:51.560
<v Speaker 2>organized and they are well led, and they start to

0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:55.760
<v Speaker 2>put this rebellion down. They put it down to such effect.

0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 2>The rebels are now starving. The rebels are hiding in

0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:04.600
<v Speaker 2>k and the Europeans are dynamiting rebels out of caves,

0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:09.800
<v Speaker 2>dynamiting the entrance, starving them. And there's an or horrible, horrible,

0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:14.560
<v Speaker 2>ugly affair. Cecil Rhodes, the guy who started all this,

0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 2>he brings all the tribal leaders together finally after a

0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:24.679
<v Speaker 2>very vicious little war, and he negotiates a peace because

0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:30.919
<v Speaker 2>the tribes are starving. They're starving, they're done. Only now,

0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:35.480
<v Speaker 2>this is the problem with rebellion. When you lose one.

0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:41.800
<v Speaker 2>If you lose one, you are always going to end

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<v Speaker 2>up worse off than you were before. If you're going

0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:49.480
<v Speaker 2>to rebel, you better win. The whole history of the

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:51.800
<v Speaker 2>world proves this to be the case. It's almost weird

0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:54.960
<v Speaker 2>when you look back and you wonder why so many

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:58.480
<v Speaker 2>people rebelled. We're going to rebel against Babylon. Oh no,

0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:01.520
<v Speaker 2>we're all skinned alive. It just doesn't it doesn't work.

0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Now they have no more control. And now after the

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:11.919
<v Speaker 2>negotiated peace, now Britain is no longer doing that. Well,

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 2>it's not really our thing, it's kind of a private

0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:20.280
<v Speaker 2>enterprise thing. Nope, Now this is the nineteen twenties. Now

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Britain says no, no, no, no, no, it's our country now. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>They even gave it a name, South Rhodesia. By the way,

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:34.000
<v Speaker 2>in case you're wondering, Yes, that name comes from the

0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 2>name Cecil Roads. And no he didn't name it. In fact,

0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 2>he didn't even like the name, which is weird. I've

0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:43.199
<v Speaker 2>always wanted a country named after me. That is not

0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:46.359
<v Speaker 2>what he preferred at all, but Rhodesia. Only at this

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 2>point in time it's named South Rhodesia. Let's fast forward

0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:55.120
<v Speaker 2>just a little bit. They are locking in their control

0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:58.960
<v Speaker 2>of the area. They're building whole cities now, they're trying

0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:02.639
<v Speaker 2>to modernize this country as possible in a long comes

0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:06.560
<v Speaker 2>World War two. This part is going to be important

0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:10.399
<v Speaker 2>for our story as we move along. I already told

0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:12.560
<v Speaker 2>you the kind of people last night, the kind of

0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Europeans who came here. These were not convicts who just

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:22.399
<v Speaker 2>got out. These were not idiot's welfare recipients. In many ways,

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:24.960
<v Speaker 2>it was the cream of the crop for Europeans and

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:28.879
<v Speaker 2>their children. They were tough as nails as well, not

0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.120
<v Speaker 2>these effeminate, you know, pinky out people. Tough as nails

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 2>and they also had, because there were so few of

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 2>them and a country that was so big, with so

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:43.960
<v Speaker 2>many bigger tribes, mandatory military service for all the males

0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:46.720
<v Speaker 2>if you were a male in Rhodesia, by the way,

0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:49.960
<v Speaker 2>and females females were the females didn't have man mandatory

0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:52.840
<v Speaker 2>military service. Let me clarify, but the females were tough.

0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 2>The males were tough. We're not talking about sipping tea.

0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.680
<v Speaker 2>These were farmers and miners and people who worked hard.

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 2>And even the ones who were more wealthy, you hunted

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:05.840
<v Speaker 2>all the time, the elements, sleeping out under the elements.

0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 2>They were already a people familiar with the outdoors, familiar

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:14.680
<v Speaker 2>with firearms. And then when you add in mandatory military service,

0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:17.920
<v Speaker 2>there may not have been many of them. At about

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 2>the height of Rhodesia's army's power, there was only about

0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand. That's a tiny army. They were all tough

0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:28.240
<v Speaker 2>as nails, tough as freaking nails, because look, you grew

0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:32.640
<v Speaker 2>up in Africa shooting lions, that's what you did. They

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:36.199
<v Speaker 2>were a tough people. World War two comes along and

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Britain calls, hey, Rhodesia, we need some guys now I

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:45.600
<v Speaker 2>need to pause here, and I'm going to have to

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 2>make this disclaimer many times as we continue to tell

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 2>this tale. It can be easy to think about this

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:56.399
<v Speaker 2>story as white versus black. I'm sure you've done it

0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 2>in your mind several times, because the Europeans were white

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:04.680
<v Speaker 2>and the tribesmen were black. And in some ways that

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:08.960
<v Speaker 2>may be accurate. But when I said they were trying

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 2>to integrate the Africans, they were trying to integrate the Africans.

0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:16.920
<v Speaker 2>That Rhodesian army I just mentioned, at the height of

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 2>its power, like half of it was black. They're elite troops,

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:24.879
<v Speaker 2>like half of them were black. The Rhodesians didn't see

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 2>this as a white versus black thing at all. The

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:32.159
<v Speaker 2>loser Kamis worldwide, it's very similar to the Commis we

0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:36.199
<v Speaker 2>have today. That's how they sold it worldwide. Look at

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 2>these Nazis oppressing the black people. That is not how

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 2>it was. They were working in many ways hand in hand.

0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:49.880
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right, Chris. They used good old fashioned race

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 2>communism to sell this locally and internationally. When things kicked off,

0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 2>the Rhodesian military was not just white Europeans. The Africans

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 2>were getting training, getting everything again, integrating them in Britain

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:07.360
<v Speaker 2>fighting World War II needed men, They said, Rhodesia, can

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 2>you help Rhodesia full of a bunch of tough people,

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 2>said absolutely, tell us where you need us. So many

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Rhodesian men, black and white, stepped up to fight. The

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Brits got concerned that there would be no men to

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:24.640
<v Speaker 2>go back to Rhodesia if they all died, so they

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:29.120
<v Speaker 2>spread the units out all across the everywhere Britain was fighting.

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.920
<v Speaker 2>They wouldn't let the Rhodesians go all to one area

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 2>because they'd worry about it. Hey send fifty here, sent

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 2>one hundred there, and they went and fought like lions

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 2>for Britain and World War two. Their service is incredible.

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 2>But something else, I mean, World War two was awful,

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 2>but the result of it was actually wonderful in some

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 2>ways for what is now Rhodesia. I'll explain in a moment.

0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Before I get to that, let's talk about finding someone

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0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:11.760
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0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:15.080
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<v Speaker 2>Where do you go me? Personally, I would go to

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<v Speaker 2>saving you time and money. You don't have all day

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Kelly returns.

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<v Speaker 2>Next it is the Jesse Kelly Show on a magnificent Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>I swear if you're suffering, we'll be back to politics

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<v Speaker 2>in ten minutes. But we're doing part two of the

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<v Speaker 2>Rhodesian bush War.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>We just finished the rebellion. The Europeans put down the rebellion.

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<v Speaker 2>Britton essentially decided, okay, that's enough of all this playing games.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's a country. Now, it's our country. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>we're slapping a name on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called South Rhodesia. And well, the way it works is,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, World War two breaks out. The Rhodesians, as

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned, black and white military men went off and

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<v Speaker 2>fought valiantly for the Brits. That will end up mattering

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<v Speaker 2>later on. But something else happens, And this is the

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<v Speaker 2>ugly part of life, the ironic, I guess I should

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<v Speaker 2>should say part of life. In a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 2>War can be good for economies. Certainly, if you are

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<v Speaker 2>a country that produces stuff, war can be very good

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<v Speaker 2>for you. Why are the Europeans in Rhodesia to begin with?

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<v Speaker 2>It's rich with resources, The land is wonderful for agriculture.

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<v Speaker 2>There are things to mine there. And guess which empire

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<v Speaker 2>needs stuff right about now? Well the Allies, well all

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<v Speaker 2>of them, but the Allies need it. The economy starts booming, booming,

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<v Speaker 2>there are huge checks coming into Rhodesia because the Allies

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<v Speaker 2>needs stuff. Well, this is Africa, we already mentioned. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a rough place. It's been a rough place, just has

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<v Speaker 2>not become a modern continent. Ever, what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>happens when the Rhodesian economy starts booming? The word goes out,

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<v Speaker 2>The word goes out to all the other countries around

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<v Speaker 2>there who may be struggling. There's always a famine, always

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<v Speaker 2>a war, always a plague, and more Africans start pouring

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<v Speaker 2>into Rhodesia looking for work, looking for an opportunity, and

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<v Speaker 2>they find them. But as usually happens, the war doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>last forever. And after the war is over, Let's say

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<v Speaker 2>let's say it's the year nineteen forty one in your Rhodesia,

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<v Speaker 2>just for the sake of argument, and your economy starts booming.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone knows it, Everyone in Africa knows it. And so

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<v Speaker 2>let's just say you get a million, two million Africans

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<v Speaker 2>from other countries coming in to take advantage of the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to feed their families, clothed themselves, you know, all

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<v Speaker 2>those things. But then nineteen forty five rolls around in

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<v Speaker 2>bip war over. Well, there's still a market obviously, crops

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<v Speaker 2>and chrome and the other things they mind, but not

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<v Speaker 2>near the market it once was. Well, now all those

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<v Speaker 2>people have already come in, Now they've already brought jobs in.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there's not as much economic opportunity to go around,

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<v Speaker 2>yet the people are still there. This creates a situation

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<v Speaker 2>that from the outside looking in looks terrible. The situation

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<v Speaker 2>being this, you have these extremely wealthy, modern looking mostly white,

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<v Speaker 2>although there were plenty of black people. There are extremely modern,

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<v Speaker 2>wealthy looking towns that would have looked like any town

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<v Speaker 2>in America, any city in Europe popping up. Only on

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<v Speaker 2>the outskirts there are extremely run down, poor, all black

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<v Speaker 2>shanty towns that start popping up. The reason this is

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<v Speaker 2>so disastrous is post World War Two there was a

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<v Speaker 2>thing that was happening globally. It wasn't just to Britain.

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<v Speaker 2>After World War Two, countries that had empires overseas started

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<v Speaker 2>to give them up. Sometimes they fought hard for them.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that. This was the French in Vietnam. They

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<v Speaker 2>eventually lost that, but they fought hard trying to keep it.

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<v Speaker 2>Some countries just flat out walked away from it. But

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what, there is a macro movement happening on

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<v Speaker 2>planet Earth post World War two. And that movement was, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you super powerful empires with a colony here and a

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<v Speaker 2>colony there. In Britain's in India, and the French are

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<v Speaker 2>in Vietnam, and everyone's in Africa. It said, hey, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, no more, no more, It's time to walk

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<v Speaker 2>away from your overseas empire. And I'm going to put

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<v Speaker 2>this in quotes because I don't necessarily believe in this,

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<v Speaker 2>but the quote decolonization movement has begun. Now, well, how

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<v Speaker 2>do you think Rhodesia looks to the rest of the

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<v Speaker 2>world when everyone else is giving up their overseas territories

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<v Speaker 2>and now you look at this insanely wealthy, prosperous African country.

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<v Speaker 2>These other African countries, for the most part, they're sucking

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<v Speaker 2>it up. They're doing terribly well. Rhodesia. Certainly the Rhodesians

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<v Speaker 2>are the Europeans in Rhodesia. Rhodesia they're thriving. And the

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<v Speaker 2>African peoples in Rhodesia they're on reservations, just like our

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<v Speaker 2>Indian reservations. They're on reservations where the Europeans put them,

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<v Speaker 2>or they're in shanty towns. And there's another part of

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<v Speaker 2>it that just looked bad. And this is actually how

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to open our show tomorrow. So let me

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<v Speaker 2>ask a question. Who should get to vote in any society?

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<v Speaker 2>Who deserves a say in the government of any society.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you would probably agree with me that shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be everybody right, you don't want twelve year olds to vote.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, if there's some serial killer getting ready to

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<v Speaker 2>be executed tomorrow, do you want his vote canceled out?

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<v Speaker 2>He's canceling out your vote for president tomorrow? No, okay?

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<v Speaker 2>So will at least agree on that it shouldn't be everybody, okay?

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<v Speaker 2>So that means there should be limits? What limits? How

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<v Speaker 2>do you form a nation, a good country, if that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you want to be, a good prospers country, a

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<v Speaker 2>country considered to be free, while also putting limits on

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<v Speaker 2>who has a say in the government. In Rhodesia, the

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<v Speaker 2>Africans did not have a say in the government. No

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<v Speaker 2>say none, And that's about to be a problem. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>have to continue that tomorrow. Before we do that, let's

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<v Speaker 2>do some more politics, shall we. Let's talk about some

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