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Speaker 2: many people know about the Rhodesian Bush War. If you
Speaker 2: missed a lot of the background, and so much of
Speaker 2: it was background, It was tribal stuff. And if you
Speaker 2: miss that, I don't have time to recap it for you.
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Speaker 2: to one minute background.
Speaker 1: Is this.
Speaker 2: A man named Cecil Rhodes grabbed a bunch of miners,
Speaker 2: other people, yes, women and children, walked into a tribal land,
Speaker 2: a tribal land that had stuff he wanted. They started
Speaker 2: to mine there. There were two historically there were more,
Speaker 2: but two main rival tribes there who hated each other
Speaker 2: and slaid each other, slaughtered each other, raped each other,
Speaker 2: and burned each other alive for a very long time.
Speaker 2: At some point they did it in front of the Europeans.
Speaker 2: There was a big uprising. The Europeans were mortified by
Speaker 2: such savagery, and they stepped up and they said, okay,
Speaker 2: this place is kind of ours. Now this is done.
Speaker 2: You all, you people, you tribes, you tribesmen, you go
Speaker 2: over there. You other tribesmen, you go over there. Now.
Speaker 2: This is what colonization looked like a lot of the time.
Speaker 2: We're about to lay it out for the British Empire.
Speaker 2: Remember when your history professor in college was whining and
Speaker 2: crying about colonialism. That's actually kind of a ridiculous term
Speaker 2: because there are so many different ways to quote colonize
Speaker 2: a country. And let's be honest, right now. Colonization is
Speaker 2: simply a more peaceful form of conquest. That's what it is.
Speaker 2: So let's just call it all conquest, shall we. There
Speaker 2: is a spectrum, isn't there? We could go with the old. Well,
Speaker 2: the easiest one would be Genghis Khan form of conquest. Hey,
Speaker 2: I really like your lands. I think I shall take
Speaker 2: my gigantic army in there and i will slaughter every man,
Speaker 2: woman and child. I'll even send a rearguard back to
Speaker 2: your city to ensure I killed all the pets, and
Speaker 2: then I'll move in. That is obviously an extreme end
Speaker 2: of that spectrum, but that's how conquest has been done.
Speaker 2: Then there are other types. The French. The French would
Speaker 2: be more likely to kind of not really move in,
Speaker 2: but trade with you, right, They'll provide security, they'll trade
Speaker 2: with you. The Spanish. The Spanish were about as hands
Speaker 2: off with so much of their conquest as you can be.
Speaker 2: And I know about the Spanish conquest of Mexico and whatnot,
Speaker 2: but the Spanish and all their colonization or conquests, they
Speaker 2: really just kind of wanted the gold. Hey, just give
Speaker 2: me some gold. You have any gold, I'll take some gold.
Speaker 2: The British, in my opinion, did it smarter than anyone else,
Speaker 2: because here's what the British always believed about conquering colonizing
Speaker 2: any place. The British believed that you should move in.
Speaker 2: They believe that possession was nine tenths of the law.
Speaker 2: And you can't ever really grab control of a place
Speaker 2: just by sending emissaries from Afar and picking up a
Speaker 2: shipment of gold along the coast. No, you needed your
Speaker 2: people physically building homes and schools and roads. You need
Speaker 2: your people moving in and setting up shop. But wait,
Speaker 2: there's more. I don't want to make it sound all
Speaker 2: bad if you're against conquest. They also believed in integrating
Speaker 2: the local population as you moved in. The Brits did
Speaker 2: not want to slaughter everybody. They actually didn't want to
Speaker 2: send everyone away as refugees. And we're talking about this
Speaker 2: spot in Africa Africa here, but Britain did this in
Speaker 2: many other places. They wanted to find a way where, Yes,
Speaker 2: they took over. I'm not making them sound completely magnanimous here.
Speaker 2: They wanted to take over, but they also wanted to Hey,
Speaker 2: all these tribes and things like that. Look will help
Speaker 2: you out too. How About how about some clothes, how
Speaker 2: about a job? How about access to medicine, how about
Speaker 2: how let's let's help let us help you too. You
Speaker 2: are gonna work for us, like you're gonna work under us.
Speaker 2: Let's be honest, but we're gonna help each other.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: Your life will be better. And I don't want to
Speaker 2: act as if they did this just out of the
Speaker 2: kindness of their hearts. Of course there'd be some of that,
Speaker 2: but really, for the Brits, and this is why I
Speaker 2: think it was so brilliant, it just made more sense.
Speaker 2: We want to take the place, we want to take
Speaker 2: it over. Slaughtering everybody generally doesn't work. It's hard to do,
Speaker 2: it's hard to maintain. As we've talked about before in
Speaker 2: the show, you can't really kill your way out of
Speaker 2: a problem. Usually that's difficult. But if you can somehow
Speaker 2: make the people you're conquering make their day to day
Speaker 2: lives better, then you have to deal with a lot
Speaker 2: less rebellion, a lot fewer problems. They might even go
Speaker 2: along with it, and in fact, Rhodesia eventually, we're not
Speaker 2: quite there yet, Rhodesia kind of gets to that place
Speaker 2: for a while. But right now we are post this
Speaker 2: little tribal war. The English are mortified. The Europeans in
Speaker 2: Zimbabwe are mortified, and they say, Okay, enough is enough.
Speaker 2: Now it's ours. But what does it's ours mean? Well,
Speaker 2: let's talk about what it was before the Europeans got there.
Speaker 2: As you know, tribal lands. But what does that mean lands? Well,
Speaker 2: a tribe, at least these tribes, the way they worked,
Speaker 2: they would find some remote area, well it's all remote,
Speaker 2: there's no civilization. They'd find an area that had things
Speaker 2: they needed. And what does every tribe need? Every tribe
Speaker 2: needs some way to eat. Maybe you're a hunting tribe,
Speaker 2: maybe you do agriculture. Every tribe needs water. Let's find
Speaker 2: a river, let's find something. Tribes are going to find
Speaker 2: locations that work for them and that's where they're going
Speaker 2: to build their village, their huts. That's how it's going
Speaker 2: to work. And in many ways, the tribes were extremely isolated.
Speaker 2: The villages were isolated from each other. These were people
Speaker 2: who didn't build roads, they didn't have the wheel. You
Speaker 2: as a young boy, I mentioned the two tribes yesterday.
Speaker 2: I'll mention them again, the Shona and the Indobelly. And
Speaker 2: by the way, the Indebelly go buy several names. I'm
Speaker 2: just calling them into Belly, the Shona in the end
Speaker 2: of Beelly. If you were a young boy, you were
Speaker 2: born in this village, this indobelly village, there is a
Speaker 2: reasonable chance you never left. Yeah, you would go out
Speaker 2: and you would go hunt, or maybe you would go
Speaker 2: to war or something like that. But you certainly didn't
Speaker 2: bounce around the country. We modern day people, certainly modern
Speaker 2: day Americans. Anyone, anyone living in a first world country
Speaker 2: listening to me right now, you've been on a road trip,
Speaker 2: How haven't you? Maybe you still live in your hometown,
Speaker 2: but you know what a place one hundred miles from
Speaker 2: you looks like, don't you? Of course you're almost probably
Speaker 2: scoffing and laughing. Of course everyone does. Maybe you've even
Speaker 2: been on a plane. That way of thinking is totally
Speaker 2: foreign to these people who live in this area. What's
Speaker 2: one of the very first things the Europeans start to do. Roads,
Speaker 2: They start to build roads, they start to build train tracks.
Speaker 2: Why well, they're moving goods and services and people to
Speaker 2: and fro and now they're connecting villages that had previously
Speaker 2: never been connected before. The African people in some time,
Speaker 2: in some ways they're moving to and fro in ways
Speaker 2: they've never moved before. And in some ways they're getting
Speaker 2: run out of an area. If the English, if the
Speaker 2: europe let's stop calling them English, because there were people
Speaker 2: from all over the European world. If the Europeans wanted
Speaker 2: that area, remember they decided they were in charge now
Speaker 2: they said you need to leave. Well, they were also
Speaker 2: integrating the local population, as I mentioned, they tried to
Speaker 2: do that. They really believed in doing that. Let's find
Speaker 2: a way to weave these people into our society. And
Speaker 2: remember there weren't very many Europeans at the time, not
Speaker 2: very many at all. They were way out numbered by
Speaker 2: the tribesmen. So crime, for instance, you don't have this
Speaker 2: large European police force. What do you do for cops?
Speaker 2: Every area needs cops. Well, that can create problems if
Speaker 2: you don't understand the area you're taking over. We'll get
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Speaker 2: The Europeans are starting to take over. They're starting to
Speaker 2: build roads, they're starting to build trains, They're starting to
Speaker 2: connect African villages that have never been connected before. They're
Speaker 2: starting to run Africans out of certain places. Now, this
Speaker 2: is where, this is why I keep bringing up the
Speaker 2: two tribes, because these two tribes, the fact that there
Speaker 2: are two tribes who hate each other, is always going
Speaker 2: to come into play in this entire story, right up
Speaker 2: to the horrible brutal ending of it. Not to give
Speaker 2: the whole thing away. Remember before these guys even got here,
Speaker 2: the Shona had been conquered by the end of Belly.
Speaker 2: They were slaves under the end of Belly. Those kinds
Speaker 2: of hard feelings don't go away easily. And the Europeans
Speaker 2: just got there, they just arrived five minutes ago. It's
Speaker 2: hard to understand everything about the culture you're conquering. It's
Speaker 2: hard to understand old tribal rivalries and bad blood. It's
Speaker 2: hard to understand the religious significance, different significance of different things,
Speaker 2: for instance, And this is going to come into play
Speaker 2: for virtually all these tribes. You know, what was really
Speaker 2: a currency for them, almost a sacred level of currency,
Speaker 2: a status symbol cattle. How many cattle do how many
Speaker 2: cows do you have? You have a lot of cattle.
Speaker 2: Oh you've only got three. Oh that sucks, Chris, I've
Speaker 2: got five. Must suck to be so low class. I
Speaker 2: mean you're laughing, But that's how that's how it worked.
Speaker 2: If you were a king, part of that status would
Speaker 2: be look at all of our cattle. Well, what are
Speaker 2: cattle to the Europeans at this point in time? Just
Speaker 2: what they're beef? It's beef or its milk. It's no
Speaker 2: big deal. You raise them, you kill them, whatever. It's
Speaker 2: just one of those things they didn't quite get. They
Speaker 2: also needed a police force, and they're trying to integrate
Speaker 2: the local tribes. But let me ask you something. Do
Speaker 2: you ever have any bad blood in your family? Every
Speaker 2: family hasn't, maybe even in your town a rival town arrival,
Speaker 2: family arrival, this arrival that. I want you to imagine
Speaker 2: this when it comes to Zimbabwe that we're talking about
Speaker 2: right now. Let's say your people, your people had historically
Speaker 2: kept the Shona as slaves and slavery. Remember was not
Speaker 2: touchy feely, not at all ugly things for women children.
Speaker 2: Let's just say, maybe your mother had been a slave
Speaker 2: of the endobelly. You're now twenty five years old. Your
Speaker 2: mother raised you with those stories of what the Indibelly
Speaker 2: did to them. The Europeans knock on the door of
Speaker 2: your hut and they're handing you a policeman's uniform because
Speaker 2: now you you are going to help police some of
Speaker 2: the indobelly areas and you have the power of law
Speaker 2: enforcement behind your badge. You don't have some oath you
Speaker 2: take or even believe in. You're a tribesman who's historically
Speaker 2: been at war, and that tribe has historically abused your family,
Speaker 2: and now you're about to get a weapon and two
Speaker 2: or three of your cop buddies and you're about to
Speaker 2: walk into their area. Do you think there would be
Speaker 2: any temptation to abuse that kind of power. This happened often.
Speaker 2: The Europeans were having and will always have such a
Speaker 2: difficult time keeping the tribes separate from each other, understanding
Speaker 2: the depth of hatred they have for each other. There
Speaker 2: was African police au African on African police abuse all
Speaker 2: over the place. Combine that with this. I already talked
Speaker 2: about historically how these tribes work. They lived in their
Speaker 2: little villages. Now they're being moved onto what are essentially reservations.
Speaker 2: They're getting moved away from their historic homelands. They're not
Speaker 2: thrilled about it. Now, let's add one more element to it.
Speaker 2: And this is a long complicated affair. For the sake
Speaker 2: of not having this be a ten episode thing, I'm
Speaker 2: fast forwarding through some things. There gets to be a
Speaker 2: plague with the cows. What do the Europeans do when
Speaker 2: there's a cow plague? They do what any civilized society
Speaker 2: would do, and they start to kill the cows. I
Speaker 2: just got done explaining cows are sacred to these people,
Speaker 2: a status symbol to these people. As a European, you
Speaker 2: may have everyone's best interests at heart. When you send
Speaker 2: a few guys onto somebody's land and shoot twenty of
Speaker 2: his cows in the head, he is almost undoubtedly going
Speaker 2: to interpret that act differently than you do. It's bad.
Speaker 2: Rebellion breaks out. Rebellion breaks out. In fact, you should know,
Speaker 2: I won't tell you the name of it, because it's
Speaker 2: another detail. I'm already drowning you in details. But they
Speaker 2: consider the Rhodesian Bush War to be the second version
Speaker 2: of this rebellion. That's what they call it. This is
Speaker 2: the first of these rebellions. The tribes rise up, they rebel.
Speaker 2: They are not as technologically advanced they do, however, have
Speaker 2: the numbers. It's slaughter, it's destruction. They're doing things like
Speaker 2: one miner. He had worked with ten Africans on a
Speaker 2: mind for a long time. He then found himself with
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Speaker 2: talking about the land down under Africa tonight as we go.
Speaker 2: Quit what, Chris, I'm not a geologist, all right, I
Speaker 2: don't know everything. All right. Back to our history of
Speaker 2: the Rhodesian Bush War. The Europeans had set up the trains,
Speaker 2: they'd set up the villages. The tribes were hating each other.
Speaker 2: The tribes were not liking this European rule, and they
Speaker 2: broke out in rebellion. Now, this is nothing like the
Speaker 2: rebellion that will happen during the Rhodesian Bush War. This
Speaker 2: is completely disorganized. There aren't a the central leaders. And
Speaker 2: remember the two tribes hate each other as much as
Speaker 2: they hate the Europeans. So what does this rebellion look like?
Speaker 2: It sounds horrifying, but it's essentially small areas where panic
Speaker 2: gets inflamed, anger gets inflamed, and it's oftentimes led by
Speaker 2: local religious leaders, local tribal religious leaders, you know, all
Speaker 2: these weird tribal false religions. Local religious leaders would get
Speaker 2: their local area to rise up against the white invaders,
Speaker 2: the European invaders. I told you briefly about that story
Speaker 2: of the miner. Well you know how most of that
Speaker 2: story went. He walked out of his house to find
Speaker 2: ten Africans who he had worked with on the mine,
Speaker 2: not slaves or something like that, you know, working with
Speaker 2: them every day lunch wages. That there were co workers
Speaker 2: with war clubs. This animal manages to wrestle one of
Speaker 2: the war clubs from him. They start beating him. He
Speaker 2: starts swinging back and beating them. He makes his way
Speaker 2: all the way into the mind shaft where he rolls
Speaker 2: down into the mind shaft. And then he has more
Speaker 2: miners in the mind shaft who he's worked with, who
Speaker 2: he thinks will come to his aid, and they start
Speaker 2: beating him too. He starts fighting them off. He's fighting
Speaker 2: his way through the mines. These things happen. In another incident,
Speaker 2: two guys are sitting there, there are women and children
Speaker 2: hidden behind them, and the tribesmen have surrounded the mine
Speaker 2: and they are essentially getting ready to kill everyone in it.
Speaker 2: The two dudes make a break for it. What are
Speaker 2: they making a break for. They're going for the telegraph
Speaker 2: line so they can telegraph for help so the women
Speaker 2: and children won't die. They book it, one of them,
Speaker 2: actually both of them end up making it the entire
Speaker 2: way to the telegraph hut. One holds the door closed
Speaker 2: from the angry tribesmen behind him, while the other gets
Speaker 2: on the telegraph machine and telegraphs the message out. Eventually,
Speaker 2: the door is kicked down and both men die with
Speaker 2: African spears sticking out from all over their bodies. This
Speaker 2: is taking place all across Zimbabwe at this time, but
Speaker 2: as I said, it is not unified. It is poorly led.
Speaker 2: And eventually the Europeans raise for themselves, or that they
Speaker 2: should say, they get back their army. It's a long
Speaker 2: story I won't go into. Most of their fighting men
Speaker 2: had gone to fight somewhere else and they'd been captured.
Speaker 2: They get their fighting men, and their fighting men are
Speaker 2: organized and they are well led, and they start to
Speaker 2: put this rebellion down. They put it down to such effect.
Speaker 2: The rebels are now starving. The rebels are hiding in
Speaker 2: k and the Europeans are dynamiting rebels out of caves,
Speaker 2: dynamiting the entrance, starving them. And there's an or horrible, horrible,
Speaker 2: ugly affair. Cecil Rhodes, the guy who started all this,
Speaker 2: he brings all the tribal leaders together finally after a
Speaker 2: very vicious little war, and he negotiates a peace because
Speaker 2: the tribes are starving. They're starving, they're done. Only now,
Speaker 2: this is the problem with rebellion. When you lose one.
Speaker 2: If you lose one, you are always going to end
Speaker 2: up worse off than you were before. If you're going
Speaker 2: to rebel, you better win. The whole history of the
Speaker 2: world proves this to be the case. It's almost weird
Speaker 2: when you look back and you wonder why so many
Speaker 2: people rebelled. We're going to rebel against Babylon. Oh no,
Speaker 2: we're all skinned alive. It just doesn't it doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Now they have no more control. And now after the
Speaker 2: negotiated peace, now Britain is no longer doing that. Well,
Speaker 2: it's not really our thing, it's kind of a private
Speaker 2: enterprise thing. Nope, Now this is the nineteen twenties. Now
Speaker 2: Britain says no, no, no, no, no, it's our country now. Now.
Speaker 2: They even gave it a name, South Rhodesia. By the way,
Speaker 2: in case you're wondering, Yes, that name comes from the
Speaker 2: name Cecil Roads. And no he didn't name it. In fact,
Speaker 2: he didn't even like the name, which is weird. I've
Speaker 2: always wanted a country named after me. That is not
Speaker 2: what he preferred at all, but Rhodesia. Only at this
Speaker 2: point in time it's named South Rhodesia. Let's fast forward
Speaker 2: just a little bit. They are locking in their control
Speaker 2: of the area. They're building whole cities now, they're trying
Speaker 2: to modernize this country as possible in a long comes
Speaker 2: World War two. This part is going to be important
Speaker 2: for our story as we move along. I already told
Speaker 2: you the kind of people last night, the kind of
Speaker 2: Europeans who came here. These were not convicts who just
Speaker 2: got out. These were not idiot's welfare recipients. In many ways,
Speaker 2: it was the cream of the crop for Europeans and
Speaker 2: their children. They were tough as nails as well, not
Speaker 2: these effeminate, you know, pinky out people. Tough as nails
Speaker 2: and they also had, because there were so few of
Speaker 2: them and a country that was so big, with so
Speaker 2: many bigger tribes, mandatory military service for all the males
Speaker 2: if you were a male in Rhodesia, by the way,
Speaker 2: and females females were the females didn't have man mandatory
Speaker 2: military service. Let me clarify, but the females were tough.
Speaker 2: The males were tough. We're not talking about sipping tea.
Speaker 2: These were farmers and miners and people who worked hard.
Speaker 2: And even the ones who were more wealthy, you hunted
Speaker 2: all the time, the elements, sleeping out under the elements.
Speaker 2: They were already a people familiar with the outdoors, familiar
Speaker 2: with firearms. And then when you add in mandatory military service,
Speaker 2: there may not have been many of them. At about
Speaker 2: the height of Rhodesia's army's power, there was only about
Speaker 2: twenty thousand. That's a tiny army. They were all tough
Speaker 2: as nails, tough as freaking nails, because look, you grew
Speaker 2: up in Africa shooting lions, that's what you did. They
Speaker 2: were a tough people. World War two comes along and
Speaker 2: Britain calls, hey, Rhodesia, we need some guys now I
Speaker 2: need to pause here, and I'm going to have to
Speaker 2: make this disclaimer many times as we continue to tell
Speaker 2: this tale. It can be easy to think about this
Speaker 2: story as white versus black. I'm sure you've done it
Speaker 2: in your mind several times, because the Europeans were white
Speaker 2: and the tribesmen were black. And in some ways that
Speaker 2: may be accurate. But when I said they were trying
Speaker 2: to integrate the Africans, they were trying to integrate the Africans.
Speaker 2: That Rhodesian army I just mentioned, at the height of
Speaker 2: its power, like half of it was black. They're elite troops,
Speaker 2: like half of them were black. The Rhodesians didn't see
Speaker 2: this as a white versus black thing at all. The
Speaker 2: loser Kamis worldwide, it's very similar to the Commis we
Speaker 2: have today. That's how they sold it worldwide. Look at
Speaker 2: these Nazis oppressing the black people. That is not how
Speaker 2: it was. They were working in many ways hand in hand.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, Chris. They used good old fashioned race
Speaker 2: communism to sell this locally and internationally. When things kicked off,
Speaker 2: the Rhodesian military was not just white Europeans. The Africans
Speaker 2: were getting training, getting everything again, integrating them in Britain
Speaker 2: fighting World War II needed men, They said, Rhodesia, can
Speaker 2: you help Rhodesia full of a bunch of tough people,
Speaker 2: said absolutely, tell us where you need us. So many
Speaker 2: Rhodesian men, black and white, stepped up to fight. The
Speaker 2: Brits got concerned that there would be no men to
Speaker 2: go back to Rhodesia if they all died, so they
Speaker 2: spread the units out all across the everywhere Britain was fighting.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't let the Rhodesians go all to one area
Speaker 2: because they'd worry about it. Hey send fifty here, sent
Speaker 2: one hundred there, and they went and fought like lions
Speaker 2: for Britain and World War two. Their service is incredible.
Speaker 2: But something else, I mean, World War two was awful,
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Speaker 2: I swear if you're suffering, we'll be back to politics
Speaker 2: in ten minutes. But we're doing part two of the
Speaker 2: Rhodesian bush War.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: We just finished the rebellion. The Europeans put down the rebellion.
Speaker 2: Britton essentially decided, okay, that's enough of all this playing games.
Speaker 2: Now it's a country. Now, it's our country. In fact,
Speaker 2: we're slapping a name on it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: It's called South Rhodesia. And well, the way it works is,
Speaker 2: of course, World War two breaks out. The Rhodesians, as
Speaker 2: I mentioned, black and white military men went off and
Speaker 2: fought valiantly for the Brits. That will end up mattering
Speaker 2: later on. But something else happens, And this is the
Speaker 2: ugly part of life, the ironic, I guess I should
Speaker 2: should say part of life. In a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: War can be good for economies. Certainly, if you are
Speaker 2: a country that produces stuff, war can be very good
Speaker 2: for you. Why are the Europeans in Rhodesia to begin with?
Speaker 2: It's rich with resources, The land is wonderful for agriculture.
Speaker 2: There are things to mine there. And guess which empire
Speaker 2: needs stuff right about now? Well the Allies, well all
Speaker 2: of them, but the Allies need it. The economy starts booming, booming,
Speaker 2: there are huge checks coming into Rhodesia because the Allies
Speaker 2: needs stuff. Well, this is Africa, we already mentioned. It's
Speaker 2: a rough place. It's been a rough place, just has
Speaker 2: not become a modern continent. Ever, what do you think
Speaker 2: happens when the Rhodesian economy starts booming? The word goes out,
Speaker 2: The word goes out to all the other countries around
Speaker 2: there who may be struggling. There's always a famine, always
Speaker 2: a war, always a plague, and more Africans start pouring
Speaker 2: into Rhodesia looking for work, looking for an opportunity, and
Speaker 2: they find them. But as usually happens, the war doesn't
Speaker 2: last forever. And after the war is over, Let's say
Speaker 2: let's say it's the year nineteen forty one in your Rhodesia,
Speaker 2: just for the sake of argument, and your economy starts booming.
Speaker 2: Everyone knows it, Everyone in Africa knows it. And so
Speaker 2: let's just say you get a million, two million Africans
Speaker 2: from other countries coming in to take advantage of the
Speaker 2: opportunity to feed their families, clothed themselves, you know, all
Speaker 2: those things. But then nineteen forty five rolls around in
Speaker 2: bip war over. Well, there's still a market obviously, crops
Speaker 2: and chrome and the other things they mind, but not
Speaker 2: near the market it once was. Well, now all those
Speaker 2: people have already come in, Now they've already brought jobs in.
Speaker 2: Now there's not as much economic opportunity to go around,
Speaker 2: yet the people are still there. This creates a situation
Speaker 2: that from the outside looking in looks terrible. The situation
Speaker 2: being this, you have these extremely wealthy, modern looking mostly white,
Speaker 2: although there were plenty of black people. There are extremely modern,
Speaker 2: wealthy looking towns that would have looked like any town
Speaker 2: in America, any city in Europe popping up. Only on
Speaker 2: the outskirts there are extremely run down, poor, all black
Speaker 2: shanty towns that start popping up. The reason this is
Speaker 2: so disastrous is post World War Two there was a
Speaker 2: thing that was happening globally. It wasn't just to Britain.
Speaker 2: After World War Two, countries that had empires overseas started
Speaker 2: to give them up. Sometimes they fought hard for them.
Speaker 2: You know that. This was the French in Vietnam. They
Speaker 2: eventually lost that, but they fought hard trying to keep it.
Speaker 2: Some countries just flat out walked away from it. But
Speaker 2: no matter what, there is a macro movement happening on
Speaker 2: planet Earth post World War two. And that movement was, hey,
Speaker 2: you super powerful empires with a colony here and a
Speaker 2: colony there. In Britain's in India, and the French are
Speaker 2: in Vietnam, and everyone's in Africa. It said, hey, you
Speaker 2: know what, no more, no more, It's time to walk
Speaker 2: away from your overseas empire. And I'm going to put
Speaker 2: this in quotes because I don't necessarily believe in this,
Speaker 2: but the quote decolonization movement has begun. Now, well, how
Speaker 2: do you think Rhodesia looks to the rest of the
Speaker 2: world when everyone else is giving up their overseas territories
Speaker 2: and now you look at this insanely wealthy, prosperous African country.
Speaker 2: These other African countries, for the most part, they're sucking
Speaker 2: it up. They're doing terribly well. Rhodesia. Certainly the Rhodesians
Speaker 2: are the Europeans in Rhodesia. Rhodesia they're thriving. And the
Speaker 2: African peoples in Rhodesia they're on reservations, just like our
Speaker 2: Indian reservations. They're on reservations where the Europeans put them,
Speaker 2: or they're in shanty towns. And there's another part of
Speaker 2: it that just looked bad. And this is actually how
Speaker 2: we're going to open our show tomorrow. So let me
Speaker 2: ask a question. Who should get to vote in any society?
Speaker 2: Who deserves a say in the government of any society.
Speaker 2: I think you would probably agree with me that shouldn't
Speaker 2: be everybody right, you don't want twelve year olds to vote.
Speaker 2: Of course, if there's some serial killer getting ready to
Speaker 2: be executed tomorrow, do you want his vote canceled out?
Speaker 2: He's canceling out your vote for president tomorrow? No, okay?
Speaker 2: So will at least agree on that it shouldn't be everybody, okay?
Speaker 2: So that means there should be limits? What limits? How
Speaker 2: do you form a nation, a good country, if that's
Speaker 2: what you want to be, a good prospers country, a
Speaker 2: country considered to be free, while also putting limits on
Speaker 2: who has a say in the government. In Rhodesia, the
Speaker 2: Africans did not have a say in the government. No
Speaker 2: say none, And that's about to be a problem. We'll
Speaker 2: have to continue that tomorrow. Before we do that, let's
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