1 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to another episode of Cutting the 2 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: Distance podcast. I'm your host Dirk Durham, and this week's 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: guest does a guy I've been following on Instagram for years. 4 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: I think the first time I ever met Ryan was 5 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: at Western Hunt and Jordan Harberson pointed you out and said, hey, 6 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: you see that guy. This is like ten years ago. 7 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: He said, you see that guy over there, He's got 8 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: pictures of big bulls. And I'm like, oh really yeah. 9 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: So I'm like, hey, man, you gotta I heard you 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: a lot of pictures of big bulls. And you looked 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: at me like what. 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: Are you talking about? 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: Like the hell are you? What are you talking about? 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: But on Instagram that's what caught my attention once I 15 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: kind of started following along and figuring out out who 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: you were, and it was a lot of pictures of 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: big bull whether it was trail camp picks and VIDs 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: or some gripping drins from clients and whatnot, and uh, 19 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, some shed horns and stuff you'd picked up. 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: But anyway, welcome to the show. Ryan Carter from DC. 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: Outfitters, Thanks sir, nice to be here. 22 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So where do you live currently or how 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: long you live there, I guess actually I should say. 24 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: I'm south Salt Lake fifty sixty miles. Probably consider it 25 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 2: central Utah. 26 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, have you lived there your whole life for? 27 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 2: Is that? 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: Okay? 29 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: Grope guiding right here, I've kind of migrated south, like, 30 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 2: I mean, there's still big bulls right here, but down south, 31 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: like I'm attracted to the desert. I just do better 32 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: down there. 33 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's kind of crazy, like the different landscapes 34 00:01:53,760 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: that Utah holds, from big beautiful timber to like date 35 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: sage flats in the desert, and there's giant bulls in 36 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 1: all of them. Would you say, there's kind of a misconception, like, man, 37 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: there's just four hundred inch bowls running around everywhere in Utah. 38 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: Dude, I don't say fwords very often. I just don't 39 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: see them. I mean, we've had our run ins. Jeez, 40 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: I probably haven't seen a real four hundred inch bowl 41 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: since probably since Jimmie's bull died in Arizona. We kill 42 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 2: a lot of three eighties, three nineties, like breaking books 43 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: kind of our our goal what we shoot for. Yeah, 44 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: but the F words are are few and far between, 45 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 2: especially nowadays. 46 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, It's funny you talk when you get to 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: talking to people and you know they're like, oh yeah, utah, yeah, yeah, 48 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: there's four hundred inch bulls, and you know you talk 49 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 1: about like somebody that got a three eighty oh, three eighty. Yeah, 50 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: there's some four hundred inches around, Like people just throw 51 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: it around sometime. It's like it's the new three hundred 52 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: inch bowl, you know in some of these places so. 53 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: Well, and to some people, you know, I know some 54 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: guys down Arizona, that's that's their life, right, Like they 55 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 2: kill four so that's what they do. The rest of 56 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: us SAPs. Man, a three point fifty is a giant bull, 57 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: three forties a giant pole. I'm not that guy to 58 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: ever start talking big numbers, but I do enjoy, like, man, 59 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: just focusing on the upper age class, like that's my life, 60 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: that's what I care about, and we do a pretty 61 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: good job of it. 62 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: Yeah think yeah, Yeah, You've got some great, great pictures 63 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: of bulls on the hoof and then bulls in the 64 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: hands of happy clients. Yeah, it's it's awesome to see. 65 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: Did you grow up in a hunting. 66 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: Family then yeah, my dad hunts. My grandpa's a big hunter. 67 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: Big rifle guys like honestly, and I grew up just 68 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: kind of a punk, not going down that hole. But 69 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,679 Speaker 2: I didn't get into hunting until a really bad dirt 70 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: bike crack. I was probably twenty seven, twenty eight. Oh wow, 71 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 2: walks into my local shop and Kevin Wilke was running 72 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: the bow shop. He's uh I did. For those who 73 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 2: don't know him, he's like the marketing manager for qu 74 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, I want to get into this, and 75 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: he's like, oh, let's go, let's go. Here's some boats. 76 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 2: He's fun and we still talk quite a bit. You know, 77 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: same hometown. 78 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool. So you could say wrecking your bike 79 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: was a life changing event. 80 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was a bad wreck. I was in 81 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 2: the hospital quite a while. Honestly, it's it's everything kind 82 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: of shifted in my life. Then that's when I met 83 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: Sean de Gray, who runs the Tack. Got out of 84 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: the hospital, me and him went like scouting for deer 85 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: with a mutual friend. We've been friends since I got 86 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: out of the hospital. My wife had sold all my bikes. 87 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 2: I had little girls at the time. Yeah, it's shifted 88 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: things for sure. 89 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So what made you want to get into 90 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: too guiding. 91 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: So I don't remember what year was, it had to 92 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: have been around three. I drew my limited entry oak 93 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: Tag local Mountains here. Killed a really big bull at 94 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: any time. He's three sixty eight, but at that time 95 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: I'm in Utah. Utah wasn't killing that big of bulls 96 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: like he was. He was a good bull. Yeah, And 97 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I get into this. So started 98 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: kicking around talking to people knew a couple outfitters, started 99 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: with one guy, did a couple of years, went to 100 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: Christians and Arms, did a few yers years there, and 101 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: then twenty eleven decided to start our own gig and 102 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: running a sense. 103 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it seems you know, there's a lot of 104 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: people always asking the same question, how do I get 105 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: into the hunting industry? I think some folks just see people, 106 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: you know, living the lifestyle or doing the doing the 107 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: They see the most visible part. They don't see the 108 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: invisible part, you know, the hard work on the back 109 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: end and and stuff. What do you have any advice 110 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: for people who want to get into the hunting industry 111 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: and make a go of it? Now? 112 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: I don't I don't know that I'm in the industry 113 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: like I have another business, I run, I have, I 114 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: have three girls. I'm busy, and I'd never considerself my 115 00:06:55,040 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: that part. But you know i'd My whole focus is 116 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 2: finding and killing big bulls. It's all I care about, 117 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: It's all I do. I could care less about the 118 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: industry part of it, other than I get to meet 119 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: really cool people like you. I mean, sure I might 120 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: have ran into you at the XBO. We might be friends, 121 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: but it would have been in passing and you wouldn't 122 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: have been able to follow up and see all my 123 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: cool bulls. So thank you, Jordan Harveson. But you know, 124 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: my passions are a little bit deeper than what industry is. 125 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: And for all those kids that I say they want 126 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: to get into the industry, I always my answer is 127 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: always the same, like don't get get a real job, 128 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: make real money, and buy real tags. The industry guys 129 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: all have to work when it's hunting season, Like they 130 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: don't get to come play like you and I do, 131 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: Like unless you're a guide, unless you're full time YouTube whatever. 132 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: I rotate my schedule around everybody else's needs because I'm 133 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: a service provider, not a product, so things are really 134 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: different for me and my crew. 135 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's great advice. I've my kids, you know, 136 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: growing up, they always they're like, I want to do 137 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: something I'm passionate about, you know. I'm like, we have 138 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: to kind of be careful about mixing passion and turning 139 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: that into work, right, you know, I really love this, 140 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: I really love that. But I always told them, like, 141 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: get a job that gets paid you, pays you really 142 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: well and gives you enough time off to where you 143 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: can afford to go do your passion and go do that, 144 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, in your free time. But you know, don't 145 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: mix I don't mix work work with pleasure, maybe because 146 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: you'll probably be a lot happier. 147 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: There's a lot to say about that, you know. I'm 148 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: come mid September. My job is a job, you know, 149 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: and we should be smiling and laughing like I I 150 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: Opening Day. I'm gonna tell a quick story. Opening day. 151 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 2: Had had the bull, one of the bulls we wanted 152 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 2: to kill. Put him to bed that morning, just typically 153 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: a layup spot, kind of tucked him in these beds, 154 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: kind of hit him in the spot and there's just 155 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: kind of a draw. They usually work up the draw 156 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: in the evening. So we had kind of staged to 157 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 2: set up like he was just going to work up 158 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: to us at night. Well, a storm is blowing in 159 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: the winds got a little erratic. I told the guy like, hey, 160 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: let's back out, let's back out. He's like, no, he's coming. 161 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: He's coming. Got sixty yards out, wind shifted. We'll kind 162 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: of headed up on this mesa. I'm like, well, busted, 163 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: I said. You know, the guy was older. I said, dude, 164 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: can you run. He's like, yeah, I can run. I'm like, okay, 165 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 2: if we can run, we can make it. And we 166 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: we swing around this big toe and we get into 167 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: the saddle where the bulls kind of always typically cross 168 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: and I'm like, dude, sixty yards ahead, you see that pinion. 169 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: He goes yeah. I said, if you can get at 170 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: the base of that opinion, he's going to walk through 171 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 2: that saddle. And he started to go and he got 172 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: twenty yards from the pinion and the bull steps out 173 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 2: one hundred yards away. Pinned. Just wow, he's got us 174 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: right yeah, And for me, like I'm like, well, that's 175 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: too bad. Like you know, my bow hunters were typically 176 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: you know, one stock out of nine works, and that's 177 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: how it works. Like I'm used to it and that's 178 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 2: just the game. And so the bullpins us sees we 179 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: were in his spot where he was headed and he's like, nope, 180 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: I'm out, turns around, walks away. He came and up 181 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: to that point, like I kind of had this big rock. 182 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: I sat down. I looked over the most beautiful sunset. 183 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: You know, the desert is just the sunset's in southern Utah, 184 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: northern Arizona. Just unrich. I'm watching the sun I'm like, 185 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: this is red. And he comes walking back. He sits 186 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: by me, and you know, I'm just kind of watching 187 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: the sun thinking. I look over and he's mad. He's hot. 188 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: Oh man, kind of kind of tore into me a 189 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: little bit, like that wasn't supposed to play out that way. 190 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: This is what it is. And I'm like, whoa, Like 191 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: We're going to do this nine more times, probably on 192 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: that bowl. Relax, like enjoy the sunset, like we're good man. 193 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: I love to hunt, and so it's one of those things. 194 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: It's it's it's work, but at the same time, it 195 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 2: is cool work. I don't I don't know if it's 196 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: a it's a catch twenty two. 197 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: I guess yeah, yeah, yeah, I think people kind of 198 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: forget to like they put so much pressure on the outcome, 199 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: they kind of forget to enjoy the whole process. Yeah, 200 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: and you fail nine out of ten stocks, right, you 201 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: know people kind of think, oh, yeah, you probably call 202 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: in bulls, you know, left and right. It's the same 203 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: thing with calling in l you know. For me, uh, 204 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: you know, maybe one out of every ten bulls, I 205 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: get the bugle, we'll get into archery range and and 206 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: maybe we'll have a shot because it's you know, maybe 207 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: too brushy or. 208 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: Whatever, but or if he's the caliber you're looking for, Yeah, 209 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: I deal with limited entry. It's you and I'd run 210 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: kind of different worlds. Sure that goes same species, but yeah, 211 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: I'll call in you know, twenty or thirty three, twenty 212 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: three thirty class bulls to one big, big bull. And 213 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: I'm not complaining, Like it's awesome, like I see cool things. 214 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's like I've had clients. 215 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: I had one guy say like, dude, you call in 216 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: one more three forty bowl, I'm gonna wrap this barrel 217 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 2: around your head. You're driving me nut. That's the right, Like, 218 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: enjoy it. It's fun. 219 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: This is fun, man. Yeah, Yeah, that kind of makes 220 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: it weird and tough sometimes. But but I think you know, 221 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: you know what makes you tick and what makes you happy, 222 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: So there's always that. 223 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. 224 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: How many years or excuse me, how many days a 225 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: year do you spend out in the field with hunting 226 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: related stuff, whether it's guiding or shed hunting or setin 227 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: trail cams? 228 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: Mhm? You know what, I really don't know the answer 229 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 2: to that. I I don't shed hunt as much as 230 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: I used to. You know, I've gotten a little older. 231 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: I used to really get a kick out of Well, 232 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: two things happened. One the state got rid of trail cameras. 233 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: Like we have a season now, right Like, I put 234 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: them out first of July, pick them up into July, 235 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 2: and that's all I get. Used to be that I 236 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: could run them all year. I like to kind of 237 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: watch what the elk we're doing all winter. I've tried 238 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: to go in and get their sheds. I really tried 239 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: to retain as much info as I could. Pulling the 240 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: trail cameras really kind of took that fire out of me. 241 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: In fact, I don't really even shed hunt where my 242 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: bulls are anymore. So I don't know I don't even 243 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: know how to answer that question. It's just things have changed. 244 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: I've gotten older. I'm push them fifty now. I don't 245 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: have that drive that I used to have. I would 246 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: guess I'm probably sixty, between sixty and ninety a year. 247 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Back when you were running your full camera 248 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: game days, back before they had the season, man, you 249 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: must have had an incredible amount of photos to go 250 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: through and just you know, with that many cameras out, 251 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: how many cameras would you typically run back then? 252 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: Well, I mean when we say back then, you know 253 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: it trail as, trail cameras evolved. Things got better, you know, 254 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: like used to be that you'd put in your thirty 255 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 2: five mil cam and the cows would come in and 256 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: get on your salt, and you got a bunch of 257 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: moo cow pictures and you hung your ten cameras that 258 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: were you know, one hundred bucks, which seems so expensive, 259 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: and most of them were moo cows, and it was 260 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: fifty dollars to develop the film. And it was I think, 261 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: you know, fourteen fifteen got to where we're using more 262 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: SD cards. I probably got into like twenties, you know, 263 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: twenty cameras or so seventeen eighteen is when I really 264 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: started dropping some cameras and I got out to like, oh, 265 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: I'd be one hundred and fifteen ish a year by 266 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: myself for me and Aaron. That was helping me anymore. 267 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: We just have a month, so I kind of regulate 268 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: what we put out because we have to pull them all. 269 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: But I still think, you know, there's nine guides working 270 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: with us now, and I think between all of us 271 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: we push almost two hundred cameras between the units. Yeah, 272 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 2: but it's thirty or forty each. It's palatable before it wasn't. 273 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: That's a lot of batteries. You probably buy those things 274 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: in bulk off Amazon. 275 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: Amazon's great for bulk for sure. 276 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: Do you run the do you run the lithium double 277 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: a's or what are you running those? 278 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: I did when I could have them out in the winter, 279 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: so lithium doesn't freeze as fast as al alkali does, 280 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: so the winner. I always ran the lithiums because it 281 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: saved me cameras so they weren't exploding. I didn't have 282 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: battery acid everywhere, sure, so yes I used to. But 283 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: now that I only have I mean I technically I 284 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: could drop them off in January, but most of my 285 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: spots I can't access till June. Their high altitude, most 286 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 2: of them, like the plateau that I spend most of 287 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: my time on to eleven thousand feet and I drop 288 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: into the high desert the nine thousand foot range quite 289 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 2: a bit, but it's not worth putting cameras out till July, 290 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 2: so I run the industrial Alkali set. Most of my 291 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 2: cameras on video anymore, which which eats cards, but for 292 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: six weeks of information it's different. So ten eight years 293 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: ago I was I was running about I think we'd 294 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: pull about twenty thousand good photos a year, and right 295 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 2: now we're probably between five hundred and two thousand. 296 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, wow, twenty thousand good ones? So yeah, how 297 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: many bad ones? Undred thousand? 298 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: I have about a terra of storage just in trail 299 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: camera photos. One terror, it's a lot. That's great. 300 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm gonna shift gears real quick here. So 301 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: it's Today's Pendleton Whiskey Q and A. Every episode we 302 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: ask a question sponsored by Pendleton Whiskey. This one is 303 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: it's a pretty easy one. It should be simple, elk 304 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: or mule deer? 305 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: Which is better? I dude, Yeah, that's an easy question. 306 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll good. 307 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: And so I used to guy mule there, oh three 308 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: oh four to two thousand. I think my last one 309 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: was like ten or eleven, and I was a young guy. 310 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: But you know, we had a unit called the Henry Mountains. 311 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard about it Mountains. It 312 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: had been closed down for five or six years. That 313 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 2: open back up. One of my buddy's dads and mentors. 314 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: I still credit him to a lot of the things 315 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: I've learned today. Drew a sportsman's tag, which gives him 316 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 2: state wide access. We killed a giant meal deer like 317 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 2: two sixty seven I think, and after that I kind 318 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: of got hooked on the Henrys and I think we 319 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: killed eight bucks that would break two twenty ish oh 320 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: man through those couple of years, and it was a riot. 321 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 2: I kicked myself because at the time I had this 322 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: like twenty year old mentality. I didn't take pictures with 323 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: the guys. I'm like that it's their buck, and sometimes 324 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: we'd have pack out pictures that kind of thing. But 325 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 2: I've learned really quick. The hardest part about meal there 326 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: was just finding them because in my opinion, and this 327 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: is limited entry, right, but it's not public land. It 328 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 2: was once you found them. If you get the wind right, 329 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 2: like as good as dead most of the time. Didn't 330 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: take eight or nine stocks. It might take two, right 331 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: if you could, if you knew how to work the wind, 332 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: muld or die. And I'm not like discrediting any mule 333 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 2: deer guys at all. I just when I have that 334 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 2: debate with people, I say, look, man, when you start 335 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 2: tipping over four hundred inch bulls and you can tell 336 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: me how many stocks it took for each one, then 337 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 2: you can start telling me which one's harder. I won't 338 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 2: point any fingers until you sit down and do it, 339 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 2: and then we can sit and compare notes. 340 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: So I love it. I typically just say, well, which 341 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: one bugles, and that's that's the one that settles it 342 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: for me. Like, well, they don't bugle, so they're not cool. 343 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: There's that too. But you're good at talking to elk. 344 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 2: I talked to them by breaking sticks, you know, when 345 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: things get quiet. I I try to sound like an 346 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 2: elk and it works, so I do things a little 347 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: bit different. I can't talk to elk like you do. 348 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the great the great part about talking 349 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: to help though, is like you using you know, sticks 350 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: and stuff, and people have to keep their mind open 351 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: to that too. It's like, yeah, I just can't bugle 352 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: or I can't calcol or whatever to save means. But 353 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I've I've been walking, 354 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, popping brush and stuff and have bolls, you know, 355 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: bugle at me. And if i'd have just not bugled, 356 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: if I'd probably just picked up a stick and raked 357 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: or something, I both probably would have came right in. 358 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: I never tried that. 359 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna try that next time. 360 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 2: Well, so for me, I'm always calling for clients, right, 361 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 2: and I wouldn't say I'm a bad call or I'm not. 362 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: I work out pretty well. But that quiet time when 363 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: they hold up, with that quiet time when they kind 364 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: of pause, and I'm like, oh crap, I know they're 365 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: in the range of the bow. Either doesn't have a 366 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: shot or whatever's going. I didn't pay eight thousand for 367 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: this tag. I walk over and take the biggest log 368 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 2: and bust it against your tree, because I'm telling you, like, 369 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: when they hold up, they're like, something's not right. But 370 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 2: if they hear oh no, there's elk down there. They 371 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: keep going more often than not. If I can make 372 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 2: them like at least think that, Okay, what I heard 373 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 2: was an elk, I'm gonna keep pursuing I can get 374 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 2: them to feed past that shooter. So, like I said, 375 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: I I'm not a great talker to elk. Like when 376 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 2: Corey asked me, like, hey, dude, what did you say, 377 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know. Just blowing my tube. That's 378 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: that's what it is for me. I get them to 379 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: stop pausing by making a little more noise, making myself 380 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: seem like an elk just far enough you can't quite 381 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 2: see to keep walking past my shooter. And that that's 382 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 2: that's how I work out. 383 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's some great advice. I think a lot 384 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 1: of folks who come from let's say the Midwest or 385 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: the Deep South or the East Coast, they come out thinking, Okay, 386 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna do this kind of like wild why tail 387 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: hunting or whatever. And and you want to be quiet 388 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: when you're white tail hunting, right, that just doesn't work 389 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: with with helk hunting. You have to be noisy elkra 390 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: noisy animals. You know, you you hear a bowl coming 391 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 1: man he's popping brush and snapping this and that and 392 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: making noise and and yeah, you have to add that 393 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: realism in there. So yeah, I love that. 394 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: They are big, that's for sure. Yeah. 395 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: So you mentioned shed hunting some of the bulls that 396 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: you've been had on camera. How hard was that to like, Okay, 397 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: we find these things in the summer range, we follow 398 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: them through the rut, and then you know they're gonna 399 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: turn up on the winter range somewhere and then be like, 400 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: oh man, Jackpie, I remember this guy, I pick up 401 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: a set of sheds. I mean, how how often did 402 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: that happen back when you used to do that? Is 403 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: that like pretty common or was it like oh wow, 404 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: like you don't normally find the guy that you've seen 405 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: in August or or July. 406 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 2: Hm, me personally grabbing one of those bulls was very rare, 407 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 2: pretty few and far between. Impact. It's just it's such 408 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 2: a small world anymore. I Like, I know, people say 409 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: the industry, they say our community. It's like it's big. 410 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 2: It's it's really not. So I did a lot better 411 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 2: with just kind of keeping my tabs on social media, 412 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: watching these people that I know hit that area and bam, 413 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: they pop up holding these giant sheds that oh that's cool, 414 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: that's this bull like, and I'd hit them up like, hey, bro, 415 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: like how big is he? What does you score? 416 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: Like? 417 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 2: Can I take some looks at him? Like where are 418 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: you at? And I'd meet up with these kids and 419 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: measure the bulls out and then have an idea of 420 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: what they scored the next year. Now, when I was 421 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 2: in my twenties, we didn't have big elk. I did 422 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 2: find a few, but it was a different thing. It 423 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 2: was my thirties that things kind of shifted and we 424 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 2: started getting into that world. My guides. I have two 425 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: or three guides that are really good at that, like 426 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: really good and keeping tabs on them all winter, picking 427 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: them up. West just found one side off one of 428 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: our biggest bulls, and he's as big as we thought 429 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: he was. And that's it's nice to see. But if 430 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 2: I was to go over statistics and say how often 431 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 2: that happens, it's pretty rare. It's really rare. 432 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be quite it's quite an achievement. Then whenever 433 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: it does get put together, like holy cow, that's him, 434 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: you know, pretty exciting. Instead of just finding some random 435 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: ones you don't have any history with. 436 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 2: I get excited easy Dirt when I find him on camera, 437 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: I get that excited. Did I start freaking out? So yeah, 438 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 2: you too. 439 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: I run a lot of cameras too, nothing like the 440 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: game you do. But and I'm like, I'm so jacked 441 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: if I see a bull come back in Idaho here. Man, 442 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: it's so tough, you know, with our our winters and 443 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: our wolf population, and you know it's it's not limited 444 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 1: entry at least where I'm going. And you're just like, 445 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: you never know if if a ball is going to 446 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: turn up again the next year, and you get him 447 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: a couple three years in a row on camera, You're like, oh, wow, man, 448 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: this guy's good. He's he knows where to hide and 449 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: how to avoid all the pitfalls that life has to 450 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: throw at him. So yeah, I can relate. It's like 451 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: Christmas every time you open that card and you start seeing, oh, man, 452 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: I think that might be the same one. So then 453 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: you're digging back in your in your hard drive, on 454 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: your and your archives there to see if that's really 455 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: the same one or maybe one that just look like it. 456 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: So yeah, I get pretty I think that's one of 457 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 2: the best parts of ELT cunning is putting the pieces together. 458 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: It's something I'll never like get sick of. I never 459 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: get tired of it. Not for me, Like killing them 460 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: is just killing them, like it's just it's another dead bull. 461 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: But over the years, like learning the things I do 462 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 2: from them, finding out like man, I have hit bulls 463 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 2: that hit the same water to the same day a 464 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 2: year later. Like I had one bull hit the same 465 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: spot three years running on July seventh, Wow. And I 466 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: had one bowl the last two years come into the 467 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 2: same little valley September first, the last two years, and 468 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 2: I mean big bulls, like old age class bulls that 469 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 2: I still didn't connect with. I didn't kill of those two. 470 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: I didn't kill either one of them. But it's putting 471 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 2: those pieces together and seeing like geez, what is he 472 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 2: doing on these dates? Why does he pull in here? 473 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 2: What's going on? Whether it's you know, their feed, the 474 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: acorns came on, they moved off the top, whatever it is, 475 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: it changes their behavior, you're And those are the fun 476 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 2: little pieces to put together, you know, finding the sheds 477 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 2: or picking up the getting the trail camp picks, that's 478 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 2: that's cool too. But learning lessons from some of these 479 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 2: older pools. That's that's fun. 480 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool. So what's your opinion? Maybe you 481 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: don't have opinion on it, but what's your opinion on 482 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: shed seasons? Is that a good thing? Is that a 483 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: bad thing? Is it doesn't really matter to you? Or 484 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: what do you think? 485 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: Well, I mean everything's everything weighs into that, right. I 486 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 2: really think there's some places where it it's a there's 487 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: a lot to be said about overregulation, right, Like our 488 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: states come in, like they've treated our resources like their own. 489 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: They've tried to pull the people's from doing something that 490 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,239 Speaker 2: they should be able to just go do anytime. Like 491 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: who's to say when it's okay that somebody goes snowmobiling 492 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 2: January twentieth, and who's out there hiking or killing coyotes 493 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: or whatever they're out doing. So I'm not a fan 494 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: of that. However, I personally have pushed out too hard. 495 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: I'll like, I know it happens, it happens pretty regular, 496 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 2: and so I know that there's a lot of value 497 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 2: in trying to put a season on that gives them 498 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 2: a chance, like it's such a detrimental time and their 499 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: fat contents down and on a hard winner. Shed hunters 500 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 2: will kill a bull. They will, and so I'm not 501 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 2: completely against it either. It's just one of those things 502 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 2: that I wish, you know, we had a good enough 503 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 2: community to know when that's right and wrong. But since 504 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 2: we don't, the government has to come in and regulate us, 505 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: and it changes things. It makes things hard, It makes 506 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: people bicker, it makes people tattletale on other people for 507 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 2: doing something that just seems so petty and silly. I'd 508 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 2: never say shed hunting takes a lot of talent. I'm 509 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: not that guy. You don't have to get the wind right, 510 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: you don't have to pattern anything. Your homework pays off 511 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 2: one hundred percent. It does, like getting out in February 512 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: of March and watching these bulls, like homework pays off. 513 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 2: But it's not something that just takes a lot of talent, 514 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: but some self regulation to be nice. 515 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I agree with a lot of that. 516 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm not a big shed hunter like. I enjoy it, 517 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: but I don't put much effort into it. So I 518 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: can't say I have big stacks of antlers like some 519 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: of these guys have. But I do enjoy it. But 520 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: I can I see that some of what you're saying too, 521 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, they'll shut it down for shed hunting, but 522 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: other outdoor enthusiasts are free to go do whatever they want. 523 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: So I feel like that's a little unfair or a 524 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: little narrow minded. If you're really trying to help the animals, 525 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: maybe they should, you know, close it down for everybody 526 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: for a certain time, like truly, like don't interfere with 527 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: the animals right now for anyone, you know. And I'm 528 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I don't like a lot of you know, 529 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: government overreach and saying, you know, it's a free country. 530 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: We should be able to go do whatever we want. 531 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: You know, we have to kind of you have to 532 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: look think bigger than ourselves sometimes, you know, it's like, 533 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: you know, let's let let's let those animals have a break, 534 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: But that means, like you say, snowmobilers, No, you guys 535 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: can't go up there, you know, hikers, you know, kyo hunters. 536 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not. I just don't think, you know, if 537 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: they're going to shut it down for one group, they 538 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: should probably shut it down for all of them. And 539 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: I think I think more people would be probably have 540 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: more respect for the the idea of it than anything 541 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: if they did that. 542 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 2: Well, you know, we look back like hunters as a 543 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 2: as a whole. I mean, if you look back like 544 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: Wisconsin had a winner that was super bad, came in early, 545 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 2: all the deer were dying, it was too deep to 546 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 2: get to feed. Most of the state turned in their 547 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 2: deer tags and all the money that they would have 548 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 2: taken to go hunting. The hunters jump back into buying 549 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 2: feed and trying to rescue some of these deer, and 550 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: still most of them died. Like it was a really 551 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: harsh winner. But I still think we have a lot 552 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 2: of people with the same values. I think if we 553 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 2: let people give them a chance, I think a lot 554 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 2: of them would step up at right times when we 555 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: have a bad winner like we did two years ago. 556 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 2: And I think if they simply asked, hey, give them 557 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 2: a chance, stay out of there, like we need to 558 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: try to keep our wildlife alive. I think most hunters one, 559 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: I think would you just what they asked? And two, 560 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 2: I think they would self regulate that there's always the guys, 561 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: Like they're going to meet the guys at their truck 562 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: at the bottom of the canyon, Like, bro, what are 563 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 2: you doing up there? Stay in your truck they're not 564 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 2: done the shows. Do you give them some time? I 565 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 2: think we govern ourselves a lot of the time, and 566 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 2: so I have a hard time when government comes in 567 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 2: and tries poking us. So, man, when you start going 568 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 2: down the regulation track, I get a little upset. 569 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I get it. I can see 570 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: that for sure. We'll flip flop a little bit here. 571 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: Back to what you were saying about the camera season 572 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: in Utah is so short now that you don't do 573 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: You don't run the amount of cameras or time that 574 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: you used to do. You think that has and it's 575 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: been a few years now, you think that's positively positively 576 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: impacted animals? Negatively didn't make a difference. What's your opinion 577 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:08,919 Speaker 1: on that whole thing? 578 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 2: Zero difference zero. You know, I had a friend draw Tag. 579 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: In fact, he killed a pretty big bull. I had 580 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 2: kind of talked him through it a bit, but you know, 581 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 2: he pulled me on on a podcast to talk to 582 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 2: me about it, and you know he was telling me, 583 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 2: he was like, you know, I think I think if 584 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 2: we still had the camera rules, I think if I 585 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 2: could have kept running them, I hard have figured out 586 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 2: where he disappeared on on day nine eleven. I think 587 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 2: I could have killed him, And I said, you know, 588 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 2: I saw a lot of guys with the same mentality 589 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 2: hold out on that tag, passed the three sixty, past 590 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 2: the three seventy, knowing there was a three to ninety 591 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,720 Speaker 2: and eat their tag and it was about fifty to fifty. 592 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 2: Like some people were successful. Most people ate their tag, 593 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 2: and now it's gone, like everyone's just like, oh, that 594 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,439 Speaker 2: was the glory days. And I'm like, maybe I never 595 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 2: successfully because I don't have service and cell camera things 596 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 2: were back then still fairly new, right, every card I 597 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 2: had to get to I had to walk to and 598 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 2: pull sure, you know, get out my DSLR, flipped through 599 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 2: it and see what was there. And I'd have to 600 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 2: go through the routes and find all these cameras and 601 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 2: I'd spend half my day doing stuff that I didn't 602 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 2: need to do. I really haven't seen our success rise 603 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 2: or fall any I think we're still as good as 604 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 2: we were. And I just when I look back at 605 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 2: my successes, none of them revolved around the camera like 606 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 2: it was cool to have them running. And man, I 607 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 2: missed the bogling videos, you know, I missed the rut 608 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 2: on trail cameras. But it's in my opinion, and they 609 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 2: made this law through legislation without letting our state be involved. 610 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 2: And they really hosed like to do it yourself, hunter 611 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 2: from competing against guys like me. They really did that. 612 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 2: Those guys, you know, they're lucky to get fifteen cameras 613 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 2: out and they didn't get to hunt these units the 614 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 2: year prior or the year prior to that. They uncle 615 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 2: might have had the tag four years ago, they might 616 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 2: have an idea where to go. But man, they really 617 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 2: shafted those guys from competing against the guys who are 618 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 2: down there every year, the outfitters that the guys that 619 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 2: just mean they're getting paid to be there. Yeah, it's 620 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 2: just another instant of the state coming in with no 621 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 2: science backing it. You know, Nevada. When Utah made this law, Nevada, 622 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 2: I had already been doing it for three four years. Okay, 623 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 2: zero increase an opportunity, zero increase in age class. In fact, 624 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 2: if anything had fallen, the science pointed to the fact 625 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 2: that the cameras do nothing yet because somebody had their 626 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 2: feelings hurt somewhere and I could name names, but because 627 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 2: you know, a little little baby Casey had his feelings hurt. 628 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,439 Speaker 2: We had to lose, lose an opportunity for everybody else. 629 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 2: And while he thought he was helping to do it yourself, Hunter, 630 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 2: while he thought he was intervening with the people that 631 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 2: needed the help, he really really shafted them in a 632 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:39,479 Speaker 2: bad way. 633 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you think most of the intent was like, hey, 634 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: let's level this playing field to the between the outfitters 635 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,439 Speaker 1: and the common guy that just drew the tag. 636 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 2: That statement was used over and over and over again, 637 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 2: that level of playing field and I'm not afraid to hunt. 638 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 2: I heard it over and over again, and I just thought, man, 639 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 2: you guys like you have no idea what you're saying. 640 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 2: You have no idea the amount of field time it 641 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 2: takes to do what some of these other guys do, 642 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 2: if that's what you need, you. 643 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: Know, man, you know we kind of see that stuff 644 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: here in Idaho with their own game commission. Sometimes I 645 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: hate to throw rocks, but sometimes, you know, people want 646 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: to make rules around things they don't understand that much too. 647 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of the people may be pushing 648 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: for these rules and regulations of different things. They they 649 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: don't actively run cameras, they don't run lighted knocks. They've 650 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: never shot a flint lock muzzleoder versus a in line 651 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,479 Speaker 1: or whatever. And man, it is hard to like get 652 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: people to wrap their heads around stuff. And they've never 653 00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 1: even participated and know anything about trail cameras or in 654 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: inline muzzleloaders or whatever. They just think, oh, you got 655 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: trail cameras, you can just kill any bowl you want. 656 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 2: Now. 657 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: It just doesn't work that way. We run sell cameras 658 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: at my buddy's place in Kansas, and they'll be deer 659 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: on it. They'll be whether we're hunting deer, turkeys, you know, turkeys. 660 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: Oh man, there's gobblers on that camera right now. Well, 661 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: you can run over there within fifteen minutes and you'll 662 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: be damned if you'll find a gobbler or a turkey, 663 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: Like where do they go? And in fact, you would 664 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: almost it makes you start chasing your tail a little 665 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: bit on those things. Pretty soon you're just kind of 666 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: going here, going there. It's like, this isn't good information. 667 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,320 Speaker 1: We just need to go find turkeys that want to 668 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: talk and hunt them and just just do that. And 669 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: we always seem to do better when we do that. 670 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: So I don't, yeah, I don't think they're leveling the 671 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: playing field at all by taking that away from people. 672 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,280 Speaker 2: I agree, I agree. 673 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 1: So have you Have you heard about Idaho requiring non 674 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,280 Speaker 1: residents to buy a hunting license before they go shed hunting? 675 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 2: What is is that? What it came down to you? 676 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 2: Like I had heard and I didn't follow ups. I 677 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 2: don't shed hunt Idaho at all. Yeah, I thought they 678 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 2: were requiring you to get a license for shed hunting. 679 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 2: But that's what they're doing, is making them buy a 680 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 2: hunting license in order to shed. 681 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: Out, Yes, a valid hunting license, non resident hunting license, 682 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: which is what one hundred and twenty three bucks or 683 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty some bucks for a non resident 684 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: hunting license to come into the state of Idaho and 685 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: shed hunt. 686 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 2: Have they have they gotten better about their I mean 687 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 2: I watched social media, right I'm stuck. I didn't like 688 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 2: we were talking about the industry guys like I don't 689 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 2: get to go hunt Idaho because I'm stuck right in 690 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 2: the industry doing my stuff here. In fact, I don't 691 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 2: see a lot of the big bulls until October on 692 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 2: reposts because I don't have service for the month of September. Yeah, 693 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 2: but you know, what I see on social media when 694 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 2: people are trying to buy tags in Idaho, Like there's 695 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,760 Speaker 2: a huge weight, like twenty thousand people. 696 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's crazy. 697 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 2: So does that are you in that line to get 698 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 2: a tag in order to shed hunt or is it 699 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,720 Speaker 2: just like a habitat license. 700 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a it's just a kind of like 701 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: a habitat, just a journal hunting license. So you buy 702 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: the hunting license, then then you wait in line to 703 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: buy a tag of some kind of leather, it's deer, elk, whatever. 704 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,439 Speaker 1: But you can get a turkey tag or a bear 705 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: tag or a you know, small like upland game permit 706 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: on top of that general hunting license. 707 00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 2: As far as that's concerned, it's probably smart on Idaho's part, 708 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 2: because one, you're not increasing or decreasing opportunity, you're taking 709 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 2: one of your natural resources and finding a way to 710 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 2: make commission off it. Right, the state's pulling in some money, 711 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 2: and it's pulling in money from non residence, which they 712 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,760 Speaker 2: should because the non residents technically aren't paying their taxes 713 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 2: for those animals. I'm not against that. I don't think 714 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 2: it sounds like a terrible idea. Now, if they were 715 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 2: making us wait in that twenty thousand line pool to 716 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 2: go after them. Then you'd think, yeah, like that's that's 717 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,879 Speaker 2: going to really cripple money coming in. And as much 718 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 2: as people want to complain about shed hunters and non 719 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 2: residence coming in, I personally like see the small communities 720 00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 2: where I hunt, they're shut down really and and I'm 721 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 2: between national parks, so where I guide it is kind 722 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 2: of between Bryce and Capitol Reef and Zion National Park. 723 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 2: I spend a lot of time. I mean when I 724 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 2: sit out on some of these lookouts and glass for bulls, 725 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 2: Like there's more Chinese and French people than I ever 726 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 2: see white Americans ever, and it's interesting and cool. But 727 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 2: I spend a lot of time in the parks. These 728 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 2: towns are shut down December, January, February, no money coming in. 729 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 2: They've had to have saved their money from the summertime. 730 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 2: And what's crazy is people start they start opening up 731 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 2: their shops in March because here comes the shed hunters. 732 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 2: Hotels get booked, the restaurants get hit, the grocery stores 733 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 2: have more money coming in. Complain all you want, but 734 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 2: hunters bring in revenue. They really do, and it really 735 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,240 Speaker 2: helps the state. It helps the small towns, It helps 736 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 2: these little people with these small businesses get by. So 737 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 2: complain all you want about shied hunting being popular and 738 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 2: causing problems, it does. But at the same time, it 739 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 2: helps out the community, It helps out other people, and 740 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 2: in Idaho state, why not why not take the non 741 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 2: residence money and help put it back into something else. 742 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 2: So I don't think that's a bad call, terrible call. 743 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,879 Speaker 2: It would be different if it was changing opportunity, if 744 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,279 Speaker 2: it was changing you know, the age class of the 745 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 2: of the animals. It's not, it's not really crippling anybody. 746 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 2: It's just bringing in revenue. Good for Idaho. Yeah. 747 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. They they also kind of thought like, well, instead 748 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: of like imposing maybe seasons, we can maybe control a 749 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: little bit of the flow of people coming in that 750 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: you know that people just like on a whim and 751 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,359 Speaker 1: be like, hey, let's run over there real quick and 752 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 1: go shd hunting. You maybe have less people just on 753 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 1: a whim coming over. They'll maybe don't they're not willing 754 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,320 Speaker 1: to spend that extra hundred bucks or whatever that license 755 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: is that come over. But yeah, and I think it 756 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: also keeps the residents of Idaho happy because there's a 757 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,400 Speaker 1: lot of you know, you know how it is that there. 758 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,320 Speaker 1: Every state has it. You know, they complain about non residents, 759 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,280 Speaker 1: you guys coming and shooting all of our deer or elk. 760 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of grumblings amongst that. So 761 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: I feel like maybe that kind of helps, you know, 762 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: temper some of that beckering through the locals. You know, 763 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: it's like, well they, hey, these guys are paying to 764 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:30,479 Speaker 1: come here. 765 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 2: You know. 766 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: I think probably some of them would like to set 767 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: up a border that where they couldn't even come over 768 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: and shed hunt or rifle hunt or anything, or bowhunt anything. 769 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 1: But that's just not the way it works. 770 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 2: No, I think it belongs to the public. It needs 771 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,280 Speaker 2: to stay in graphs of the public's reach. And honestly, 772 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 2: like I mean, if we're to look from a broader perspective, right, 773 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 2: if we're to look at some of those things, like 774 00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 2: I have these guys that are like, dude, what do 775 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 2: you do post in that picture? Like they know where 776 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,319 Speaker 2: that walla is? And I'm like, they might, but I 777 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 2: know what it takes to get in there, and it's 778 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 2: not easy, and in all reality, most people don't want 779 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,399 Speaker 2: to do the work. I don't stress about a lot 780 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 2: of that stuff. I look at it, I'm like, okay, 781 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 2: makes sense. Cool. However, like the amount of people that 782 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,319 Speaker 2: really put in the work to do things like shed hunting, man, 783 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 2: it requires some time, It requs. It requires some physical 784 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 2: capabilities that not everybody has. Yea, And yeah, it's upsetting 785 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 2: when when some dude picks up this set you've been 786 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 2: watching since January, especially if the dudes from another state, Right, 787 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 2: Joe Smo from Utah just showed up and pulled this 788 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 2: my favorite set. I get being mad, but I think 789 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,719 Speaker 2: that's just part of being mad. Yeah, I don't know. 790 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's no different than going out to the 791 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: to the dance hall. Right, some out of towner's come 792 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: in and scoop up one of the local girls and 793 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: take them home Marriham or whatever, and it's like, Hey, 794 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 1: what the heck? People got to be mad about anything? 795 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:12,719 Speaker 2: Yeah? For sure? 796 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 1: Well cool, I think we should wrap things up. You 797 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: got any final comments on what maybe twenty twenty five 798 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,800 Speaker 1: is going to look like as far as antler growth, 799 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: and you let a optimistic anticipation of the fall, you're 800 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,840 Speaker 1: probably just excited to go again. 801 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,399 Speaker 2: I uh, man, it's going to be an interesting year. 802 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,279 Speaker 2: Like we down here, we haven't had any snow. Utah 803 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 2: and Arizona are really going to struggle putting up the 804 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 2: numbers that they have in years past. Now both can 805 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,000 Speaker 2: change on a dime, Like I really believe, you know, 806 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 2: hard winters up north hurt animals, antler growth for sure, 807 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,400 Speaker 2: like even where I live right here, But southern Utah 808 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 2: and Arizon don't know. These these bulls that win around 809 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 2: maces and and and down in the slick rock country, 810 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,400 Speaker 2: really all they need is water in March in April. 811 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,319 Speaker 2: If we get moisture put down right now, like these 812 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,279 Speaker 2: bulls will be as big as they ever are or 813 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 2: as up north. It might be a tough year, But honestly, 814 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:24,280 Speaker 2: Utah hasn't. It hasn't shot for age class in northern Utah. 815 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 2: It's if anything, it's used your northern Utah as an 816 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 2: outlet to level our point creep, give people opportunity, and 817 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 2: they've kept Southern Utah to carry age class. So there's 818 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 2: still you know, if we get some rain, I still 819 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,799 Speaker 2: think Utah can do fairly well. But at the same time, 820 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 2: right now it looks really bleak. I think as a resident, 821 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,959 Speaker 2: I'm only allowed to put in for one species elk, 822 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,120 Speaker 2: deer or antelope, and then on resident across or once 823 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,360 Speaker 2: in a lifetime across the board, and all my points 824 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 2: are on deer, and I hunt desert deer. I don't 825 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,960 Speaker 2: go to the high altitude stuff. So for me, like 826 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,800 Speaker 2: I'm retaining my points, I'm going to buy a point 827 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,960 Speaker 2: or put in for some weird tag that I probably 828 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 2: can't draw because it's just not that year that I 829 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,080 Speaker 2: think we're going to get the phenomenal growth in the desert, 830 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,279 Speaker 2: So I'm holding back. So it's hard to say. I 831 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,400 Speaker 2: don't stress about it. I just look forward to the 832 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,240 Speaker 2: good time because even on bad years, we kill good bulls. 833 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 2: They're broken up, but they're still good, and I just 834 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:31,760 Speaker 2: like to have a good time. 835 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, awesome. Where can folks find you if they 836 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,320 Speaker 1: want to find you on social or your your website 837 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,400 Speaker 1: for your outfitting. 838 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:46,400 Speaker 2: Business socials, Just Ryan DC Outfitters websites U d c 839 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,200 Speaker 2: O Utah or if you type in DC Outfitters Utah, 840 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 2: it'll pop up. You can find me either place like 841 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,239 Speaker 2: I do a lot of social stuff, as you know. 842 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, give them a follow on Instagram. Man, 843 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,360 Speaker 1: it's it's it's great if you like to see pictures 844 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,479 Speaker 1: of cool, cool bowls and videos. I mean, you still 845 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 1: post some of those good old days where videos where 846 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: you'll get a rut a rut, bull come through and 847 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,680 Speaker 1: bugle or something. So I always go to those. So 848 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,520 Speaker 1: every now and the end see one of those. But 849 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,640 Speaker 1: but man, I appreciate you coming on today and look 850 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,000 Speaker 1: forward to what you and your clients pull out of 851 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 1: the woods as folk. 852 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,839 Speaker 2: Ah, thanks sir here as well. Man, best of luck 853 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:28,040 Speaker 2: to you. 854 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, we'll catch everybody on the flip flop, all right. 855 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:00,960 Speaker 2: Look