WEBVTT - Geoff Ogilvy - Instruction, P-Reed, Rollback, and Mixed Events 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:05.160 Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:10.520 Today's episode is brought to you by the Fridagg Pro Shop. Today, 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.120 I'm going to talk a little bit about our prints. 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:17.439 Most of it is my photography. We do fine art 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:21.320 paper prints, which are beautiful traditional prints. You can get 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:25.639 those framed or unframed, and then we also do metal prints, 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:28.120 which are kind of a little bit more unique, one 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.960 of kind vivid colors. Everybody that sees these metal prints 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.040 are kind of in awe of them. And we have 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.440 tons of golf courses photographed up on the site. We 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:40.680 have some other ones. I'm still trying to get up there, 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.159 it just takes some time. Most recent one that we 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:48.120 put up was Kiwa Island, the ocean course, so we 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.159 got a bunch of photos from beautiful morning out at 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:55.000 kia And what we're doing through Sunday of this week, 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.040 which would be through I don't know what would be 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:03.600 the twenty something twenty second. We are doing twenty percent 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.480 off those Kiawa prints, both paper and metal. So a 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.280 good time to get yours if you've been there and 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:13.640 want a beautiful print of golf course on an ocean. Anyways, 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.720 today's episode is with Jeff Ogilvie. It's been a little 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:22.119 while since we chatted. Obviously, it's been a nuts news 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.200 cycle the early part of the year between the USGA 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:29.200 Patrick Reid and something that I saw that was really 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.040 cool that prompted this chat that I wanted to talk 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:37.000 with Jeff about was this player series event that Jeff 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:42.440 hosted in Australia and it is a mixed event, really cool. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.600 He goes into detail about that, and I think long term, 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.040 this is an event that golf should take a look 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.040 at and think, hey, can we do more of these 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:56.520 or incorporate some of these maybe in America, Europe other places, 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.600 because it is such a neat event, and I think 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.200 there are would just be a huge interest in it 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.160 on a bigger scale, and hopefully one of these Australian 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.600 ones is televised. It would be neat to see it. 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.000 I'm sure it's televised in Australia, but it'd be great 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.560 to see it televised or stream somewhere that we could 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.960 see it in the United States. Without further ado, here 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.240 is Jeff Ogilby. I miss a green, for example, I'm 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.480 already upset when I find my ball in the bunker 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.639 I'm really upset, and when I find my ball in 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.760 a brid egg Friday egg, the dreaded Frida egg Frida 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.160 egggg Frida egg brid egg, Lie, I'm about ready to 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:56.720 run off of the Did you have like one teacher 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:01.800 throughout your career junior gaul for Did you have multiple? 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.240 What was your teaching situation? 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.359 I had a few lessons from a few different guys 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.120 when I was younger, really young, I mean I was 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:14.760 I think Dad take me, tout me to get some 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.120 lessons before I was ten, sort of eight and nine, 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:22.400 maybe ten with the local pro at his golf club, 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.640 a guy called Henry Caussele, who was the pro at 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.360 Yariara It's where Dad was a member. And I had 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.880 a couple lessons there and I remember I wrote down 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:31.840 like the four or five things he gave me, like 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:33.880 the legs and the strongest thing in the body, and 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:35.360 there was a couple of well there was three or 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.400 four things, and then I think I got a lesson 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.040 to have Bruce Green, who was the pro Rod Melbourne 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.720 still is still a legend driving around ro Melbourne giving lessons. Yeah, 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:50.240 been there forever, great player, too, wonderful teacher, old school 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:54.560 teacher a bit like more like like the Butch Harmond school. 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.080 No video cameraund, no track man. He's just got that 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.200 old school kind of. I just tow it in here 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:00.760 or move the ball back and he stance and hit 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:02.600 it hard to day Jeff or some stuff like that. 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.120 But then I kind of as we got into the system, 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.200 like their systems here, so as a good junior golfer 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.960 you sort of get noticed by the State Golf Association 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:14.840 and the Institute of Sport. And once I kind of 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.599 got into that system. Steve Banner Dale Lynch sort of 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:22.240 Banny at first, who's coached a lot on to a 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.600 lot of guys who play in the US, and then 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.479 Day Lynch pretty much from about fifteen sixteen onwards all 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:28.960 the way through. 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.800 So I had a few like different. 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.760 Ones along the way, but then it became Lynchy really 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.240 for most of the time. And he came over with 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.279 he came over regularly with me and Dads and Stevie 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:43.760 Allen and Great Spence and Charmers and yeah, a few 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:44.280 different ones. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.080 But did you ever think about switching once you were 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:48.040 with Lynch? 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:53.840 No, So I'm a good I'm a bad student in 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:59.000 the I think I'm just I don't. I'm very skeptical 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.400 of everything anyone tells, you know, I think I know better, 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.279 you know, which is a whole mark of guys. You 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:05.920 play on to it generally when you talk to them, 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.479 they all think they know the answers. But I actually 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.920 did think I knew the answers, and I liked Lynchy 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:11.840 because he helped me. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.880 Find them my own way, you know what I mean. 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:16.480 He didn't tell me this is the way it is, 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:19.520 he said. 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.440 He just did very wise about golf, the way he 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.400 spoke about it, you know, very educational. So I never 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.920 even considered anyone else to be honest because I thought 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.240 everything he said was great. 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.760 Yeah, I always wonder about that because I feel like 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:37.840 continuity is like the most important thing, because in reality, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.640 I feel like most golfers are just usually working on 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.920 the same things over and over again, and if you switch, 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.679 it's just like you're starting from scratch and it could 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:49.880 get you all all messed up. 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:51.520 Well, I think. 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.600 It should be a medicine, not a diet, you know, 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:58.919 Like it should be like going to the doctor. He 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:00.880 fixes you up, and then you go away and you 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.200 go play again, and then you come back when you 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:08.320 need the doctor again, whereas they they're a bit like 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.120 chiropractice or something. Not to pick on chiropractice, but like 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:12.640 once you start going to a golf coach, just like 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.000 we've got to come back next week, you've got to 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:15.599 come back the week after, you got to come back. Well, 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.200 if you were teaching me, I wouldn't need to come 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.000 back all the time, you know. And I think the 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.920 art of a golf coach is that he teaches the 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.960 golfer how to coach himself. He needs to become redundant. 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.200 And at some point I think that was at least 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.320 my philosophy. And if you look at the best golfers 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.039 of all time, I mean Jack, he barely needed a 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:36.040 coach by the end. 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.559 I mean Stuart Maiden helped Jones. 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.240 I mean, Hogan did it all himself, so need did 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.760 it all himself, Travino did it all himself. Guys like 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.839 Freddi Kupels kind of did it all himselves. The long 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:51.760 these long term great balls truckers found their game their way, 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:53.520 you know, and you can get an advice and stuff 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.960 along the way of how to help, sort of signposts 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:58.880 if you like, try this, try this, try that, and 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.320 you'll discover it over in that area. But I think 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.279 if you have a guy as ah, well, you're going 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.240 to come back and fix your set up or fix 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:06.560 your back swing and never going to be any good 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:07.200 until you do that. 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.880 I think it's missing the point of coaching. 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:14.440 So it makes sense is going to become self playing 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:15.840 because when you get out in the third hole and 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.960 it feels bad that day, you can't hang on, let 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.520 me send you a video of swing and tell me 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:22.960 what I'm doing wrong. I mean, you got to work 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.200 it out today and then on the fourth and then 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.560 and the game is really the art is working it 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:30.880 out as you go along there. So a great coach 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:32.840 is someone who teaches someone how to do that. 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.960 And if you get it right, then you'll be infinitely 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:42.160 more consistent because every day you wake up and you 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:46.040 feel a little different in being able to figure out 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.920 what isn't quite working in a given day. Will that's 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.240 the lead to more made cuts, more times in contention? 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:59.440 Yeah, you just you'll you're actually you'll be always polishing 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.320 that skill, that skill of I've got to work it 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.160 out today, how to hit it straight today? You know 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:05.920 how to hit a good shot right now? That's an 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.480 art to kind of if you feel if you're feeling 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.760 kind of crappy and you wake up feeling weird sometimes 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.120 and you do, You've got to work out how to 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.280 hit it today because no one cares. 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.000 How you if. 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:18.280 You're swings getting there, you know, I mean, you've got 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.040 to shoot a good score today. And the best golfers 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.920 are the ones or the most consistent goings are the 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:25.800 best golfers, because some of the best golfers seem to 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:27.520 be those guys who can like peak for a certain 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.400 week with all their technique work and that. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.600 But I think the true professional and the art of 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:33.160 the game. 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.200 Is to be able to hit a good shot right now, 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.200 work it out. And if you don't hit this one good, 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.440 the work out the next one, you know what I mean, 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:41.520 and just repeat that. 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.560 And I think the great coaches. 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.320 Get their players to be more self sufficient, you know, 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.240 they get them motivated, They get them wanting to be 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:51.840 out there, and they get them wanting to kind. 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.319 Of learn about their golf swing and play rather than just. 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:58.960 Making them think if you hit all these certain positions 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:00.520 and these numbers, you'll be player. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:04.560 You know, there's an irony about it that a golf 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:09.640 a great golf coach would make you see them less 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:14.280 over time, which would thus cost them money in terms 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:15.200 of lesson time. 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.880 It's a conflict in their business model. 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:23.640 Yeah, it's yeah, But the truly great coaches are if 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.679 you talk to them, they're like, even though you might 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.440 see them behind the guys on the range all the time, 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.840 the great I mean, Butcher's just keep them half the 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:34.480 time most of the time, just keeping these guys in 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:38.400 a good mood and pumping him up mentally and just 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.680 generally having a good time. And if they need, if 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:42.319 they want something, he's there with it, you know what 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.640 I mean. But he's generally just there helping them out. 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:46.040 And then the great coaches a lot of that. They're 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.960 not giving any technique lessons on the range on Thursday mornings. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.920 I mean, some of them aren't. But the great ones don't, 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:53.280 you know, They're just going to be there and make 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.040 their player feel like a better player all the time. 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:59.080 I think that's really the art, making the player love 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:03.440 the game and love kind of working his game out, 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.679 you know, because it's hard going to work out. 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.920 Was there a guy outside of your coach? Is that 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.160 that you over the years that you liked talking to 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.720 the swing most about like either player or coach that 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.920 you just like to chat with about well, you know, 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:21.679 different things about the swing. 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.240 All the ways through it was interesting. 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:26.720 I always thought like, if I go all the way 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:30.760 through my golf through the players. Justin Rose when we 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:32.800 were kids, he was always into this with Justin and 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:36.680 Trevor were the two guys Immelman who really were into 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:41.240 the swing and had great technical actions, And I was 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.559 interested in what they were working on and used to 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.280 talk to them a little bit about it growing up 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.360 through the thing. And then on the way I'm obviously Lynchy. 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.360 He was my guy we would talk to the most, 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:52.880 but I always to love I hung out with Butcher 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:54.880 a lot because he was I used to. 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.760 Play a lot with Adham, so we Scotty, so we'd 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:57.240 walk a lot. 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.520 Of practice rounds, and I loved hanging out with She 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.280 was just good energy and had a fair bit of 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:06.320 wisdom with the game. I think Pete Cowen speaks brilliantly 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.560 about the game. I don't know anybody's thought about it 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:09.240 as much as Pete. 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:09.760 I mean everybody. 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:11.160 There's a lot of people that have thought about golf 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:18.520 a lot. You and me included, right but Pete right 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:24.640 up there, he's played at a pretty high level. Accepted 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:29.079 that he wasn't there because of for whatever reason. I 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.560 think he says he's at his anger issues were pretty strong. 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:38.120 But he's he's incredibly wise about the game and no nonsense. 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.200 You know, he won't sugarcoat it for you. He'll say, 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:41.440 this is the way it is. If you do this, 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:42.800 you'll be better. If you don't, you won't. 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:48.000 Like he's got a really interesting delivery system. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:49.880 he's great a lot of guys. Look, I still love 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.240 speaking to all the coaches. I think it's fascinating, like 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.680 how everybody's trying to interpret It's the same thing, really, 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.199 I mean, you're just trying to get the club to 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.240 hit the ball the right direction, you know what I 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:06.360 mean basically, and everyone interprets that completely differently and explains 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.040 it differently. And I think it's there's value in talking 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.400 to lots of different people about it because everyone sees 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.520 it different and you you will too. But the more 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.760 different perspectives you have, maybe the more you can kind 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.200 of zone in on the way you want to feel 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:18.760 about it, you know. 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:25.720 Yeah, And every golfer like the way they understand how 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.280 that person interprets it different, like and somebody could just 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.000 explain it a little different and it clicks with you. 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.040 Yeah, absolutely, Like there was definitely times when Lynchy was 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:38.760 like probably banging his head against the walls, knowing, how 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:39.679 can Jeff not get this? 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:40.680 How can he not get this? 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.800 And then I would talk to other another player or 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.160 just randomly and someone would be or I'd look at 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.200 another player working on something and I would try something 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:49.600 and Lynch, She's like, well, that's what I've been trying 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:50.640 to get you to do for a year or so, 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.560 why don't you just tell me that? You know, so 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.560 we get very tunnel vision suck in our ways, And 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.800 as I said, I was fairly stubborn. I knew the 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:04.080 answers and no one else did. So you don't open 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:05.719 your eyes as much. I think the more times, the 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:07.960 more the more you just absorbed the game from all 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.719 sorts of people, I think the more it helps. 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:15.240 It's funny you mentioned Justin Rose because I think I 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.840 think he almost did what Bryson did before Bryson did it, 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:23.120 because he that how he gained distance was pretty incredible 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:27.199 because he went from being you know, not long to 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.840 long over the course of a couple years. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.160 Yeah, he wasn't naturally one of the long ones for 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.280 me or kid, I mean Charles Howell will Kids, he 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.520 was naturally long. You know, he's always smashed it and 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.640 hit the ball. Well, I mean Scotty Adam was really 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.959 naturally long, Sergio I was naturally long, but Justin wasn't 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.560 naturally long. But he's created He's made himself a long hitter, 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:52.800 which is amazing. Yeah, it's hard to do because history 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:54.760 has always said that the guys who tried to gain 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:59.160 length usually lost the plot, right, but recent times, You're right, 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.800 Justin was one of the runs who actually turned himself 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.360 from a not he wasn't short, but he wasn't one 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.920 of those naturally like speedy swingers to a guy actually 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:08.640 smashes it. 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.360 Yeah, yeah, impressed. 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.880 Yeah, tell us about this Player series in Australia. It 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.400 perked my interests and I wish it was on TV. 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.440 I thought it was a really cool concept. And he 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:24.200 tell us the concept of the event, and then about 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:28.480 the first one that you hosted and played in Australia. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:32.680 Yeah, yeah, I mean it was really cool. So the 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:38.800 Player series events, we thought we've been struggling to get 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.800 the big sort of the medium level to events going 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:43.560 in Australia. We've always sort of done right with the 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.880 Strain Open and the PGA and the Masters and stuff, 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:47.520 though the Masters has gone. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:48.320 By the way so now, but. 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:51.640 We'd always have two or three big events and then 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.520 there'd be nothing for anyone to play in except for 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:55.880 the guys who go overseas. 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:58.960 So there was sort of a bit of an idea 0:14:59.000 --> 0:14:59.480 thrown around. 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.640 I'd always thought that we should get amateurs and pros 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:06.000 playing together more often. And then with the Victorian Open, 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.840 they've been running the men's and women's tournament concurrently at 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.440 the same thirty six hole venue and you'd play men's group, 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.560 women's group, men's group, women's group, and that's been a 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.840 massive success. Has having a guys and girls tournament running 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.440 at the same time. Brought more people in kind of 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:26.320 opened our eyes to the women's game and opened their 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.480 eyes to our game, like it was just a really 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:33.760 good thing. So combining the pros and juniors and men 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:37.840 and women both in the one tournament, we thought, one, 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:41.080 this is at not a crazy prize money level, but 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:47.680 at at a at a level. To create this, let's 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.960 have guys and girls play the same tournament, and we 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:56.200 adjust the girl's teas to match theoretically, you know what 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.000 I mean, as good as we can. So only one. 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.120 We're playing for one and the men and women are 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.120 for it. And it's pro. It's the best pros we 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:08.680 can find in the area, and thirty or forty ameters, 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.520 you know what I mean. So the first two days 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:17.360 there's a men's pro, a woman pro probably and an 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.800 elite amateur who could win the tournament, you know, these 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.080 plus anticap gids, these kids who are about to turn pro. 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.360 And then on the weekend after the cut, the two 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.520 pros in the group they would they had like an 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:32.880 under eighteen junior tournament on the week thirty six tournament 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:34.520 they played in our group. So we had a junior 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:35.320 in every one of our groups. 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:35.960 Oh my god. 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.280 So yeah, so the junior's got to play with pros 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.920 on the weekend in a tournament in contention, play for 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.040 their own thing, and the men and women got to 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:48.400 play their own tournament too. It was It was amazing. 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:52.520 So the Australian Tour Graham Scott, who's one of the 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:54.480 rules officials, set up the teas for the guys and 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.360 the girls and we had Suo who was probably our 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.000 most legitimate women play this. She's top fifty in the world, 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:01.800 plays LPGA, a really really good player. 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:04.160 She had a chance to win. 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.119 She was tied for the lead with two hours to play. 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:11.680 And then we had Elvis Smiley who's a young amateur 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.000 nineteen I think nineteen and one of the probably one 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:15.560 of the best amateurs in Australia right now. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.960 He bird is the last to go in front of 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.800 Sue on Sunday. 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.560 And then Brad Kennedy, the veteran pro who's won a 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.560 bunch of Japan and stuff Australia. He goes and has 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.760 like three hundred in the last four and he ends 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:30.440 up winning by a shot. So we have a girl 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.359 about to win, then one of the amateurs is about 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:33.959 to win, and then a pro wins right at the end, 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.840 all in front of the thing, and we had the 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.600 young There was a young fourteen or fifteen year old girl, Molly, 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.879 who was a local girl from Rosebud the course we 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.639 were playing. She was tied for the lead and the 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.600 amateur thing or one behind in the amateur tournament. And 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.119 the amateur tournament was this the junior tournament was to 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.720 say was girls and guys in the same thing. 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:55.880 She stumps it to like three feet in the last 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:56.480 in front of her. 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.439 Home crowd makes Bertie to win, and then the kid no, 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.320 and then the kid, the eighteen year old kid. He 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:03.760 comes up the last and I was like a twenty 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:05.280 foot of a beat her by a shot. Like it 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:09.479 was just an amazing thing. Everybody, just the experience everyone 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:13.560 gained was really really cool, and everyone was really excited. 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:15.720 And as I said, we had a guy and a 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:19.600 girl like Sue, as I said, a world class player, 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.040 and Brad Kennedy's a world class player. They we got 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.600 the tea's right, So it was a fair tournament, you 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:25.920 know what I mean, between guys and girls. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:26.760 So it was really cool. 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.480 What was the difference in yardage about. 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.080 In very Look, it was quite a short course, so 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.840 it was maybe a little bit. I don't know if 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:38.400 it would be easier to do on a short course 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.439 for a harder course on a longer course, I don't know, 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:46.040 but thirty meters thirty yards something like that, ten on 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.280 the path, threes and thirty on a part five something 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.280 like that, I don't know, forty on a part five 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.639 something like that. So it was they were trying to 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:58.320 get it, so we hit the same clubs in and 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:02.120 it's it's a tough one, I think, because there's more 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:06.159 variation between the longest women golfers and the shortest than 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.679 there is between the guys. You know, I think totally 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.359 the median band for guys is pretty much everybody you know, 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:16.000 between two ninety and three ten or wherever you want 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.119 to put it. That's kind of where everybody hits it 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.879 except for a few outliers, you know. Whereas the girls, 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.800 there's some girls who hit it far. And the difference 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:25.840 between the and Van Dam and the shortest here on 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.000 tour is sixty yards or something fifty yards. You know, 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.160 there's no guys don't have that spread. 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.240 Mb Park hits at like two thirty you know. 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:34.120 Yeah, you know what I mean. 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.440 And Ni, Yeah, it's crazy. 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.800 So there's a big It would be harder probably to 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:42.919 look and this isn't a thing that you would ever 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.960