WEBVTT - Part Two: Push the Button: The Brief Life and Quick Death of Giuseppe Zangara 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:04.800 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:07.080 Hello, and welcome to Cool People who did cool stuff, 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:09.280 which is sometimes about cool people who did cool stuff, 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:12.560 but is currently about complicated people who did interesting stuff. 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:17.040 I'm your host, Murder Kiljoy, and my guest is Miriam. Hi, Miriam, 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:20.400 Hi are you today? That's totally a different day than 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.520 the previous day, because obviously we recorded on different days. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:25.799 Yeah, I'm having a really different day than it was 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:27.280 the last time that we talked. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.199 Sophie is our producer. Hi, Sophie, Hi. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.200 I'm still drinking my questionably colored electrolyte drink. 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:43.240 It's lasted you days days. Yeah. For anyone who can't see, 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.680 which is everyone except the three of us, because mercifully 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.000 this is not a video podcast. Sophie is currently drinking 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.920 a I was trying to come something more clever than 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:56.480 it is. It just looks like pee, that's what's happening. 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.200 Yeah, aesthetically this drink. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.320 But it seems like it probably tastes good. Yeah, I 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:03.600 don't know. 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:05.560 It's taken her three days to drink it. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.000 That's true, but that parts, well, that's not true. That's 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:09.680 the part that's the lie, that's the bit we're doing. 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.960 But part of the not bit, but instead my weird 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:15.880 thing where I have to do everything the same way 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:19.080 every time that I'm not going to diagnose. We also 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:23.360 have to introduce our audio engineer, Rory hi Rori or 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.479 hi Rory inter The music is my own Woman. 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:30.399 I think it's a really good way of making sure 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.480 you don't forget anything. That's what I think it is. 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:36.760 Yeah, exactly exactly. We are on part two of a 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:40.880 two parter about gioseppes On Gara, who is a would 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.520 be Well, I guess if you don't kill the person 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.039 you're trying to kill, you're not an assassin. 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:49.040 So he's a murder he did, he did assassinate someone. 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.720 Well, but but he didn't try to kill that guy. 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:52.960 Mmmm. True. 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:56.000 True, So I think he's would be assassin and just 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:58.680 a regular murderer, yes, and. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:02.240 An interesting person who did interesting stuff, we definitely agree. 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.760 Who is wildly sympathetic, just the most sympathetic of the 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:10.880 person who it's so complicated. I love this story. 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.560 So many bad things have happened to him. 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:18.040 I know, I know. And now he's in Miami and 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.040 he has a gun. He got ten bullets and then 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:25.839 because nothing makes sense and anywhere that only has one 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.240 version of history means that it's probably lying to you. 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.800 He either practiced somewhere with the first five rounds or 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.600 they were on him when he was arrested. Both have 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.200 been presented by credible sources. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.280 That seems like so easy to fact check, I know, 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.440 but for that, not for you if people are saying 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.160 different things, but like he either had five bullets in 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.160 his pocket or he did not, Like this is there's 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:48.160 no subtlety to this. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.960 A lot of like records and stuff all went missing. 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:57.800 You did say there were conspiracy theories, true crime elements 0:02:57.840 --> 0:02:58.120 to this. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:02.440 Yeah, okay, all of the records about him disappeared in 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:10.600 nineteen forty five. WHOA, and then like his criminal record 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.919 in Italy was like destroyed in the war the coming one, 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:15.040 the World War two one. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.680 And like there's just like stuff, you know. 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.520 Anyway, I don't think we've even talked about why he 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.520 has a criminal record in Italy. I don't think you 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.440 mentioned any Italian crimes. 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.280 He was arrested having an illegal knife on him when 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:31.280 he was like twenty oh care and he served thirteen 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.720 days in jail for it, which is kind of wild. 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.040 It might have been during the while he was like 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.040 walking around Rome trying to kill the king part of 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:40.320 his life. But I'm not sure. 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.560 I mean, I would hope he had a like for 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:45.640 his sake in terms of his planning, that he had 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.920 a gun when he was walking around Rome hoping to 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:48.520 kill the king. 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:53.000 Yeah, but yeah, so he had illegally feoun him. Pie 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:57.200 served searching days in jail, and who knows, it seemed 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.160 like not a big deal. It only came up because 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.040 they actually spent a while after he got arrested right there, 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.280 would like write, hello, our friend Mussolini, can you let 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.720 us know about this man we have in custody, you know, right, 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:09.520 And for a while they were like, oh, I don't 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.080 have anything on that guy, and slowly came up. And 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.200 then there's like a bunch of others Joe's Angaras in 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:17.880 the US and whatever. Anyway, So the closer we get 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:21.240 to the event itself, the blurrier the details get, because 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:25.000 everyone wanted to take credit for saving the day or 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.200 knowing something about what happened, or tying him into their 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.880 favorite pet conspiracy about the anarchist international network that they 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:33.520 think is bad instead of like me, where I think 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:34.480 it's cool, you know. 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.560 Not to make the whole conversation back to the Sondhim musical. 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.240 But the song about Zangara in the show is called 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.320 How I Saved Roosevelt, And it's a crowd song where 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:46.680 every single person is telling like how the story is 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:47.719 really about them. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:49.599 That is very accurate. 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:53.480 Yes, he's a good writer, Stephen Sondheim. But like everybody 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.039 is talking about like, oh, he tried to push in 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:56.360 front of me and I made him to go stand 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:57.960 at the back. And then somebody else is like I 0:04:57.960 --> 0:04:59.880 saw him getting up on the chair and I pushed him, 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.880 you know, like everybody has their own little thing. And 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.360 then is like basically talk about this story is really 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.480 about me, while he just like screams in anguish and 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:08.120 is ignored. 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:12.640 Yeah, that's actually just pretty directly like those two exact 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.120 things are going to happen well, or people will claim 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:16.720 they happened. 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:17.440 Right. 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.320 There's one version of The Fateful Day where Giuseppe went 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.560 and got a hotel room and smoked half a hundred 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.360 cigarettes on the bed while chambering the gun and worrying. 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.000 This comes from the woman who runs the hotel. 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:33.920 Can I ask you something, You're a professional writer? Half 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:34.440 a hundred? 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:39.599 Yeah? Why half hundred. I didn't that that was the 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.159 way the woman described it. Half a hundred cigarettes. 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.839 Fifty there's a perfectly good number. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.360 Half a hundred carries a different connotation, it. 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.480 Does, doesn't it. It sounds like he had one hundred 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:53.520 there and he only smoked half of them, and like 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.719 he was trying to smoke all of them, but he 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:56.600 only did half. 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:58.760 Smoking fifty cigarettes, it means you were there for a 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:00.960 while smoking half a hunt undred cigarettes, and means like 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:01.360 you're like. 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:06.679 Yeah, it is you know, it sounds wild to smoke 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.039 half a hundred cigarettes. Smoking fifty cigarettes is just a 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.440 lot of cigarettes. I just wanted to really do a 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.159 close reading of this moment. Thank you for indulging me. 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.960 Yeah, yeah, no, totally Yeah, two and a half packs. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:18.600 They could have just said two and a half packs, right, 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:19.919 because then anyway. 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.880 Whatever that sounds reasonable, I know, he smoked two and 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:24.800 a half packs of cigarettes. Just sounds like, yeah, that 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:26.080 doesn't even sound like anything. 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:30.600 I've met people who do that. But he didn't smoke. 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.920 Oh great, so he actually smoked half a zero cigarettes. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:39.200 Probably he also had a room in town. He probably 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.880 never went to a hotel. Great, this woman has probably 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:46.520 just interjected herself into the story. But it's also kind 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.400 of a compelling narrative, like you could see they're like, well, 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.000 I'm gonna die today. I'm gonna go smoke half a 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:56.880 hundred cigarettes. You know, I don't know either way. Nine pm, 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:02.120 February fifteenth, nineteen thirty three, Franklin and Doug Nope, where 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:11.320 did that one? Franklin diminutive Deborah Franklin Deborah Roosevelt docked 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.040 and got into a car, one of the three cars 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.119 with his entourage, and they went off to Bayfront Park. 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.880 And if you're thinking to yourself and only Margaret, is 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.920 that place sounds familiar? And there's a band stand there? 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:29.880 Did you, Margaret get trapped there? Once kettled alongside thousands 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.400 of other people in November two thousand and three, the 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.440 day after you saw Dead pres play at the bandstand 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:40.000 at the Miami FTAA protests. Well, I looked at photos 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.040 and the answer is yes, I saw Dead pres play 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.080 where this guy shot the president. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.840 That actually rules. Do you think they knew? 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:52.960 I don't know. I have no idea. 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.520 I mean, I would hope somebody told them. 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.840 I know, I know they're like, oh, you should have 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.680 been dead Mayor just for the night. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:03.840 You know, if they really fucked up the show, if 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:05.800 they really fucked up the show, then they were dead Mayor. 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.080 It's like, oh, yeah, I missed on that one. 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:15.200 Yeah, so anyway, Franklin, Demetrius Roosevelt, Miriam gave me that 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.000 one in between. Then the break showed up at the 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.720 park and there was a huge crowd. Giuseppe tried to 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.400 push his way through the front of the crowd. Some 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:28.120 witnesses claim that he had someone with him, most claimed 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.840 that he didn't. He probably didn't. 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.960 It seems like he usually doesn't have anybody with him, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.320 and when he does, it's often a teenager. 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.320 Well those are the ones we hear about. But yes, okay, 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:43.960 he wanted to get to the front row because he 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.000 is short, and he wants to shoot the speaker, which 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:51.640 is obviously a thing that comes up anyway, and potentially 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.120 a guy stopped him from pushing his way forward. This one, 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:55.720 I kind of tend to believe there was, Like some 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:59.160 witnesses Zuku Testa this one the particular, like, hey, what 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:00.559 are you doing? You can't push your way up, And 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:01.959 he's like, I'm sure it let me through, And the 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.719 guy's like no, you're a man. You can't go anywhere, 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.520 you know. But obviously this guy has a vested interest 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.200 in claiming he saved the president, so right, you know, 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.880 he remembers the story very well. He's also one of 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.480 the people who claimed that the guy, oh I don't remember, 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.800 everyone had. It's like a chart of people who claimed 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:20.480 to have saved the president and claimed that he did 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:24.840 or didn't have an accomplice with him whatever. So he 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.120 ends up in the third row. Waiting on the steps 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:32.000 to the stage. Are all these dignitaries. Since the country 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.360 that their dignitaries in is the United States of America, 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.120 this means it's all the rich people in town, like 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.920 all the business leaders of Miami or whatever, sitting there. 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.800 And since it's like the early twentieth century, they're all 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.440 probably wearing like top hats and like a ribbon across 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:45.959 their chest. 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.280 Yeah, that says like I am an industrialist. Ha ha 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.280 ha sucks to be you. I think that's what they 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:51.680 all wore. 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:53.160 Yeah. 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.240 Also waiting there is the mayor of Chicago, Anton cermac 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:58.160 I was. 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.440 Really waiting for you to explain what he was doing there, 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:02.480 because it never occurred to me to wonder what he 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.440 was doing in Miami ran so the soon to be president. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:07.640 The first time I read it, I was like, oh, huh, 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:09.360 I need killed like an important guy. And I'm like, wait, 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:16.080 Miami is famously not in Chicago. Yeah, so what the 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:19.360 fuck was the mayor of Chicago doing in Miami. I 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:21.360 hear mayor of Chicago in the nineteen thirties, and I 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.520 assume he's a corrupt mafia puppet, right, And Miami is 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.559 almost a sister crime city to Chicago at this point 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.679 with organized crime or whatever. Is what I've infurring. I mean, 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.480 that's a subtext to some stuff I've read. I'm not 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.839 a historian of the organized crime in Miami. So is 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:42.120 he there because of organized crime? No? Ant In cermac 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.800 is the politician who broke the racist Irish stranglehold on 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:51.680 Chicago politics. Huh, including by getting the Irish vote. He 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:55.199 wasn't a like haha, we pulled one over on the Irish. 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.360 He himself was an immigrant. He was from Slovakia. He 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.360 grew up speaking Czech, was a coal miner, and Anton 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.839 grew up working class before he kind of bootstrapped him. 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:10.120 He American dreamed himself into being a businessman. You know 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.320 and then started exploiting people for money or whatever. Right, 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.920 but he fought against prohibitionists on a campaign of personal liberty. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.959 He ousted the incumbent mayor by leveraging his own working 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.840 class cred and rousing the vote of the ethnic minorities 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:26.600 whod been shut out of politics, especially getting out the 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.280 black vote in a way that hadn't been done well. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.120 And if he was an anti prohibition guy, that means 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:37.000 that the Chicago mob was probably very anti him, because 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.280 the mob wanted prohibition to stay so they could continue 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:41.480 selling illegal bootze. 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:46.240 He did this thing where he kind of ran on 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:51.360 a mafia neutral platform, but he was anti mafia, according 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.960 to what I've read the people of This is where 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.520 there's even more arguments, right, But yeah, he was. He 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.920 was anti mafia. The mafia was anti him. This is 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.200 part of why people thought that maybe this is why 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.840 he was killed. It is almost certainly not what happened. 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.200 He won by the largest landslide victory in the city's history. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.560 And his whole thing is anti corruption. And then what 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:17.080 people claim is that actually he was just as dirty, 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.400 but he was the opposite side. Al Capone is in 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:23.880 jail at this point and so he wants not actually, 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.480 but people say that he wants or there's no evidence 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:30.120 rather of the idea that he wants a different mafia 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.840 guy in charge. Right right seems to be a minority 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.600 opinion among historians. I believe that the general opinion is 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.720 that he was anti corruption and anti mafia. He's sixty 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:42.800 nine years old at this point. It took him a 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.520 while to get to mayor, right, and he's in Miami 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:49.160 because Chicago is having trouble raising enough money through taxes 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.520 thanks to the Depression, to pay for all the public 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:58.000 services it needs. Specifically, he is there because public school 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:03.240 teachers aren't getting paid enough in Chicago. Oh no, I'm 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:09.360 telling you this is a tragedy. The active duty mayor 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:14.800 traveled to Miami to hang around a bandstand to desperately 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.400 try to catch the ear of the president elect for 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:22.040 a second to plead for federal funds to pay public 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:22.800 school teachers. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.520 Oh no, that's such a good thing to do. 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.880 It is. And it wasn't a like I'm just gonna 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.120 go chum it up with so and so. He was 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.320 there as a like, if I can get half a 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.520 second of the president, maybe I can help these teachers 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.640 Oh my god. He didn't know exactly when the things 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:40.200 was gonna be. 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.000 He just like and this wasn't him being like like 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.280 trying to like yeah, forge a political alliance or like 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:48.360 call in a favor for himself. 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.800 This was like, oh no, yeah, because he was he 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.200 was just kind of do it okay for himself. You know, 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.959 he's like the business guy and like, yeah, as far 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:01.240 as I can tell, there was an ulterior motive here. 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:06.040 He was there for literally the thing that just Seppi's 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.240 there for, yeah, that poor kids should get to go 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:10.040 to school. 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.800 That poor kids should get to go to school. 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:16.040 Oh no, I know that. This was the moment where 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:21.600 I was like, oh god, like this is like I 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:22.040 read this. 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.160 I was really counting on this podcast recording session to 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:27.240 lift my spirits. 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.800 You know that. I'm so sorry. 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:32.800 It's always a gamble talking to you. 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:34.480 I know. 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.080 No, that's not true. I love talking to you. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.760 It's still like it's a tragedy, but it's like you 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.280 know when we go see Shakespeare for the comedies and 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:43.920 the tragedies, right, yeah. 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:50.760 No, it's a poetic tragedy. Yeah, it's a oh. 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.240 And both sides of it are I straight up thing 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.480 Joeppe's on the wrong side of this, but honestly, so 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.640 is this businessman mayor right, like in other ways, you know, 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:00.600 for anyone who's listening wonders by talking about I mean 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.560 because of capitalism, not because of the anyway whatever. So 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.560 there's the mayor, there's some business leaders, there's twenty five 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:11.120 thousand Miamians, and then there's Giuseppe's Angara with a revolver 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:18.640 in his pocket. Franklin Dylan Dorothy Dorothy Dylan Roosevelt shows 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.920 up and he's he's paralyzed. Right, there's a thing that 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.480 wasn't a People did know this at the time. It 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.760 wasn't totally hidden, but it wasn't like it was downplayed 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:28.600 as much as possible. 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.560 It was sort of yeah, he like like I know, 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.680 he sort of really tried to avoid being photographed in 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.960 a wheelchair and stuff like that, but. 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.880 Like, you know, and he walked with heavy leg braces 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.400 underneath his trousers and I'm not trying to At some 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.080 point I wanted I want to read more about ableism 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.960 and FDR because I think it's very interesting that possibly 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.840 the most powerful American president in history was a was disabled. 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:56.280 You know, Yeah, especially during a period of even more 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:01.840 intense and ableism than currently, which is still instead of 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.960 going up on stage, he's in an open car, right, 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.160 so they just pick him up and put him onto 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:08.880 the backseat of the car so we can talk to 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.000 the crowd. This is part of the like, well, they're 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.080 not really hiding it, they're just not playing it up. 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:13.480 You know. 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.000 That was also like that was a very popular way 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.480 for politicians to appear in public, you know, up to 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.040 another assassination that ye fair took place. 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.680 Yeah, before people realize that convertibles is a good way 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:30.000 to get shot. Yeah. He gives a very very short speech, 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.880 just a couple of sentences, and he talks about he's 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:34.920 trying to go to the beach. Yeah, he talks about 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:36.760 his favorite topic. He talks about how he caught had 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.120 a great time fishing, but he figures he gained about 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.760 ten pounds on vacation, and so his first order of 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:43.800 business once he gets into the White House is an 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:49.520 executive order of himself to lose those ten pounds. Oh gross, Yeah, 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:51.960 that's like all he talks about. It's ridiculous. 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.320 Franklin diet culture, Roosevelt. 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.240 I did not enjoy that. I did not enjoy that. 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.280 No, no, he's going to say another annoying fatbook thing 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:00.840 a little bit too. 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.919 We all had the same face of like, yeah. 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.640 Nobody wants to hear about your diet. 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:11.000 Yeah, and you're ob tessive worry abou anyway, whatever, m 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:16.320 M no, thank you. Yeah. Actually that's a kind of 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.840 Trumpian way to talk. They'll like getting up and giving 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:21.919 a speech is like I had a great time fishing, 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.280 you know, and now I'm going to say something body 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.680 shamy like, yeah. 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.960 I think they like, I'm just like you. I enjoy 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.400 phishing and a self deprecating joke is like pretty standard 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:37.240 politician like way of trying to endear yourself to a crowd. 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:42.520 But no, you're you're right. And it was over before 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:44.920 anyone knew it, and Giuseppe was like, oh, I missed 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:46.440 my chance. And he didn't shoot during it because he 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.320 didn't have a clear line of sight and you know whatever, 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.480 and FDR's aids helped him back down to sitting in 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.680 the back seat. A few dignitaries rushed over to talk 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.280 to him, including Anton Sermac, who was like, Hey, I've 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.359 got some business to talk to you about. Gara was 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.560 about twenty five feet away, and so he stood up 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:10.280 on his chair and he said, I love products and services. Wow, 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:11.320 oh you really? 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.920 You jump scared me with that one. I didn't say coming. 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:19.080 I know that no one suspects that I can't do 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.360 a Spanish inquisition because if I just say the Spanish products, 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:34.720 that doesn't work. Well, here's ads and we're back. He 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.919 did stand up on his chair. He didn't shout anything. 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:41.000 He's quiet the entire time. Another woman about his size 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.360 named Lillian Cross, who was almost certainly in the song 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.520 that you're talking about, Yeah, was standing on the chair 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.199 right in front of him, and so he held the 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:53.479 gun over her right shoulder and fired one shot, then 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.480 two more shots, than two more shots, and then the 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.919 gun was empty. Lilian's face was burned by the powder 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:04.760 as he fired. And then everyone claims to be the 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:09.119 hero who saved the day. Yeah, Lillian Cross gets the 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.000 most credit, Like she's the one you're gonna find on 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:15.320 the Wikipedia page for example. She's actually the Well, neither 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.600 of these are very credible witnesses. No one stopped his aim. 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:19.360 The spoiler alert, no one stopped him. 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.639 Oh yeah, no. She definitely claims to have given him 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.520 a mighty shove or something when he Yeah, when he 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:25.360 was aiming. 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.159 She claims she hit his arm with her bag or 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:30.280 wrestled his arm up. And then a carpenter named Thomas 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:34.359 Armor in the British style with a U somehow that's 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:38.800 important to me, disputes this and says Lilian didn't do anything. 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.560 It was I who rushed forward and grabs Angara's arm 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:46.760 and forced it up. Zagara's claim is that no one 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:50.320 stopped him. Well, I mean, afterwards they crap beats the 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:54.360 shit out and almost kills him. But most likely they 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:59.080 are both liars or misremembering. Most likely, Zanngara fired unimpeded 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.080 except for the wobbling of his chair that was caused 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.720 by the crowd, and that's how he remembers it. And furthermore, 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.239 of his arm had been held up, he wouldn't have 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:09.720 shot so many people. 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:12.160 Yeah, he would have missed more. 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:16.560 Yeah. And almost every almost every witness who isn't claiming 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.320 that they personally saved the day is like, no, he 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.240 just shot on him. No one stopped him until he 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:26.840 was done. The rich, little old lady became the national hero. 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.639