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Speaker 2: opposing views on the Supreme Court decision regarding presidential immunity.

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Speaker 2: We've got Bradley Moss, he's a national security lawyer, and

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Speaker 2: we've got Will Chamberlain. Both of these gentlemen have appeared

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Speaker 2: on the show before. Will is the senior counsel at

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Speaker 2: joined by both of you because there's been a lot

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Speaker 2: of discussion here about this Supreme Court decision regarding presidential immunity.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and put this up there

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Speaker 2: on the screen and read a little bit from this,

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Speaker 2: and I want to get both of your reactions. So

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court has ruled that the ex presidents have

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Speaker 2: quote broad immunity, but the broad immunity applies only to

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Speaker 2: so called official acts. The secondary effect of this is

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Speaker 2: going to dramatically decrease the chance of a pre election

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump trial. Let's go to the next slide, Police,

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Speaker 2: so I can read a little bit from the decision itself.

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Speaker 2: The decision maintains that from the Conservative majority that has

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Speaker 2: returned it to the trial court to determine what is

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Speaker 2: then left of the Special Council Jack Smith indictment. As

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Speaker 2: I said before, it applies to official acts of the presidency,

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Speaker 2: reading here directly from John Roberts. Under our constitutional structure

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Speaker 2: of separated powers, the nature of presidential power entitles a

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Speaker 2: former president to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions

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Speaker 2: within this conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority, and he is

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Speaker 2: entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all

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Speaker 2: of his official acts. There is no immunity for unofficial acts. Brad,

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Speaker 2: I want to go ahead and start with you. There

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Speaker 2: has been a lot of discussion about Justice Soda Mayor's dissent,

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Speaker 2: in particular in which she claims that per Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: under this authority would be allowed to send Seal Team

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Speaker 2: political opponent. What is your reading of the decision? What

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Speaker 4: Well, Justice Sotomayer is not too far off.

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Speaker 5: In terms of how the majority opinion has structured this.

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Speaker 5: So to be clear, they basically created three buckets. One

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Speaker 5: is that absolute immunity that goes for everything that's within

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Speaker 5: the exclusive authority of the executive branch.

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Speaker 4: Think about it.

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Speaker 5: That's running the Justice Department, which is why they completely

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Speaker 4: That's controlling the military.

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Speaker 5: He's the commander in chief, he has exclusive control of

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Speaker 5: Any of those things would be evidence that would be excluded,

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Speaker 4: Would not infringe on executive authorities.

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Speaker 5: What could be more principle to the executive authority than

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Speaker 3: Will can we go ahead and get your bottle please?

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Speaker 6: I mean to that, I mean that's been the status

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Speaker 6: quote for twenty years. President Obama assassinated the sign of

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Speaker 6: that's honestly the settled understanding of our country. And I

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Speaker 6: think the really simple way to understand the Supreme Court's

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Speaker 6: what was already understood, but rather just reifying the kind

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Speaker 6: people are wildly overblowing this. The Supreme Court's opinion is

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Speaker 6: actually substantially more modest then I think it should have been. Honestly,

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Speaker 6: that a lot of and it's certainly not something that's

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Speaker 3: Well that, yeah, you can go ahead and respond to that.

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Speaker 5: With the Bush examples, They're actual were inquiries conducted led

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Speaker 4: Would he have presumptive immunity according to this decision? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Could it be overturned? Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: I want to stick actually within a conservative framework, and

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Speaker 2: can you just give us kind of a view, as

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Speaker 2: I mean, hypothetically should a president you know, again not

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Speaker 4: I mean, it should be extraordinarily challenging.

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Speaker 6: And I think the reason is precisely what the majority identified,

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Speaker 6: which is this circumstance where presidents routinely prosecute their predecessors

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Speaker 6: I mean, you think about how broad and how vague

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Speaker 6: If they aren't immune from prosecution for those, then it's

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Speaker 6: You know, even you know, very even like simple presidential

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Speaker 4: Issues for his own political purposes.

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Speaker 6: All these things would have been prosecuted in a role

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying really hard to left yet. Let me

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Speaker 4: And it didn't happen.

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Speaker 5: The reason Donald Trump got indicted is because Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: couldn't accept he lost the election. And Donald Trump conspired

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Speaker 5: put up fake electors. That's why he got indicted in

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Speaker 5: the DC case. No, wah, the president has been indicted

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Speaker 5: for murder ever, and it's a laughable excuse that owe

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Speaker 4: Now give me.

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Speaker 2: A break, Okay, Well, let's stick with that though, because

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Speaker 2: the January sixth element to this is actually quite important. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'll let you lay out a little bit of this,

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Speaker 2: because as I understand it, there is a parsing in

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Speaker 2: versus the so called false electors scheme, which would perhaps

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Speaker 3: What is your view of that?

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Speaker 3: And I got to be honest, a.

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Speaker 6: Coordinated conspiracy with the FBI, James Comy, all of them

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Speaker 4: Lawfair.

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Speaker 6: It's you know, the funny thing is this Lawfair campaign

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Speaker 3: Let's get brad fullchanswersp.

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Speaker 5: The wonderful the love affair they have with the idea

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Speaker 4: Disinformation is ridiculous. It's in the Mother.

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Speaker 5: Report, It's in the Senate Republican report, the last take Republicans.

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Speaker 3: Okay, last word on Russia, gay before we move on

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, the entire investigation was predicated on the

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Speaker 2: All right, So let's then stick with stick with the

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, No, I mean, the cases are not going

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Speaker 4: The judge Chuck in in DC.

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Speaker 5: Biggest question is does Jack Smith's move to sort of

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Speaker 5: According to Donald Trump, on the last day of his presidency,

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, well.

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Speaker 4: On what point?

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Speaker 6: So go ahead, yeah, I mean, I can see why

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Speaker 3: Got it all?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna end and in a tactic that Christal

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Speaker 3: Why is that incorrect in the American system?

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Speaker 2: Well, give us the counter kase and a conceptual world.

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Speaker 2: case scenario.

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Speaker 6: I don't think the Soda Maora descent has any merit

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Speaker 6: at all, but I will say I think Barrett's concurrence

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Speaker 6: makes a reasonable point, which is the sort of I

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Speaker 6: think the most interesting and contestical part of the majority

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Speaker 6: opinion is about the whether or not official acts, even

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Speaker 6: if you're immune from them, can be used as evidence,

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Speaker 6: and how exactly that would work. I think there's an

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Speaker 6: interesting debate between the majority opinion and the concurrence kind

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Speaker 6: of about whether or not bribery status prosecutions would ultimately work.

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Speaker 6: I think so that's I think the strongest point against

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Speaker 6: the majority opinion. But I found soda my ORI's descent.

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Speaker 6: I mean, honestly, I don't think it's steel manable. I

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Speaker 6: think that's just one of the weakest pieces of legal

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Speaker 6: writing I've read in quite a while.

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Speaker 2: Still a good point there on the bribery statute and more, gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: will have links to your twitters both in our ex'es.

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Speaker 2: I apologize in the description of this video, and I

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Speaker 2: think people will really get a lot out of this.

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Speaker 2: I actually learned a lot, So thank you both. We

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Speaker 2: appreciate you absolutely Holy.

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Speaker 3: That was a great debate.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it, especially the callback to Russia gay

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Speaker 2: But there's also been some major Supreme Court cases that

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Speaker 2: we should cover, especially since we're already on the subject

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Speaker 2: and we spent a lot of yesterday on Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: which we still have plenty left to talk about. Let's

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Speaker 2: talk with the first major decision, arguably more consequential than

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Speaker 2: anything we talked about in the last couple of days,

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Speaker 2: and we'll put it up there on the screen and

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Speaker 2: that is what is known as Chevron. The Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: struck down Chevron and curtailing the power of federal agency.

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Speaker 2: So this one can get a little bit complicated, but

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Speaker 2: the top line that you just need to know is

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Speaker 2: this is that the power of the administrative state has

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Speaker 2: been dramatically diminished. So the way that it works is

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Speaker 2: that the nineteen eighty four case, which was known as

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Speaker 2: Chevron versus the Natural Resources Defense Council, gave rise to

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Speaker 2: a doctrine known as a Chevron doctrine. Chevron says that

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Speaker 2: if Congress has not directly addressed a question at a

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Speaker 2: center of the dispute, a court is required to uphold

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Speaker 2: the agency's interpretation of the statute as long as it

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Speaker 2: was reasonable. So, for example, we will look at what

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Speaker 2: was actually brought. So the case itself focused on a

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Speaker 2: fishery and specifically on a fine. The fine was levied

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Speaker 2: by the federal government on a fishery as a result

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Speaker 2: of an interpretation of a statute that was viewed by

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Speaker 2: the people who were fined as illegitimate and not reasonable.

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Speaker 2: The overturning of Chevron is landmark because it no longer

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Speaker 2: gives the administrative state the authority in order to say

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Speaker 2: that under this reasonable statute and the interpretation that we

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Speaker 2: can exercise certain rules and monetary fines, which means that

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Speaker 2: the administrative state and specifically now the court system, will

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Speaker 2: have to determine every single action that is done now

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Speaker 2: by the agencies to see if it falls within Congress's

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Speaker 2: mandate to the agencies. The way that it currently works

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Speaker 2: is that the administrative state, and this is one of

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Speaker 2: the libertarian critiques of the government, has expanded far beyond

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Speaker 2: its original purview. The fine example is a perfect one.

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Speaker 2: As Congress says, hey, you got to regulate our waters,

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Speaker 2: they decide that regulation equals fine, but Congress never said

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Speaker 2: anything about fines. Thus this leads to the striking down

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Speaker 2: of the Chevron doctrine. What's kind of fascinating is if

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Speaker 2: you look back in time in nineteen eighty four, is

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Speaker 2: that it's actually Republicans who celebrated that decision because Ronald

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Speaker 2: Reagan was in power, and it empowered the Reagan administration

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Speaker 2: to interpret federal law and administrative law in the way

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Speaker 2: that they wanted. Since then, though, it has become i

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Speaker 2: would say the number one want and goal of the

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Speaker 2: federalist society and of a lot of the conservative legal movement,

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Speaker 2: which views the expansion of the the strait of states

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Speaker 2: specifically nineteen eighties onward, combined with the ideological kind of

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Speaker 2: center left neoliberal revolution as one which is a quasi

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Speaker 2: foreth arm of government that is unelected.

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Speaker 3: This gets to the bureaucracy case.

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Speaker 2: Now, the counter to everything that I'm saying is that

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Speaker 2: this effectively means that any time the government wants to

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Speaker 2: do anything and address let's say a novel situation, something

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Speaker 2: like AI or something like crypto or anything like that,

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Speaker 2: that these agencies have no power to respond unless Congress

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Speaker 2: specifically acts and passes at Now, theoretically that's the way

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Speaker 2: that I want it to work, but let's also keep

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Speaker 2: this in mind. They don't pass anything these days except

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Speaker 2: unless it's aid for Ukraine and for Israel. So this

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Speaker 2: dramatically kind of leaves it to basically the free market

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Speaker 2: and really could possibly lead to situations getting totally out

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Speaker 2: of control before Congress even wakes up pays attention, and

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Speaker 2: by that time it could be too late. So let's

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Speaker 2: go to the next element, just to give you some

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Speaker 2: more of the count. This one specifically focuses on climate,

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Speaker 2: but it is a good example kind of into the

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Speaker 2: kind of into the mechanisms that are in play here. So,

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Speaker 2: for example, the Inflation Reduction Act, right, the Inflation Reduction

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Speaker 2: Act has given these ad these administrative agencies the power

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Speaker 2: to quote force energy companies, automakers, manufacturers to curb pollution

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Speaker 2: and to reduce it unless Congress steps in. However, it

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Speaker 2: means though that the EPA will not have nearly as

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Speaker 2: much administrative authority to regulate power plants and others. What

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Speaker 2: they also talk about is that quote it authorizes a

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Speaker 2: more muscular posture by the judiciary when reviewing the decisions of.

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Speaker 3: The administrative agencies.

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Speaker 2: So the reason why this matters, as you previously saw

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Speaker 2: with Chevron, is that the courts were not really allowed

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Speaker 2: to overrule as long as it was en quote a

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Speaker 2: reasonable standard. Now every single ruling by any of these

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Speaker 2: administrative agencies can be challenged by big business and by

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Speaker 2: in the court system, and depending on where they bring

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Speaker 2: the case, depending on the judge, etc. As we all know,

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Speaker 2: you could easily lead to that either getting struck down

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Speaker 2: or tied up in the legal system. It has to

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Speaker 2: go all the way up to appellate courts. As we

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Speaker 2: just saw in our previous segment. This stuff takes a

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Speaker 2: very very long time. So arguably as it comes to

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Speaker 2: business and the way that everything is regulated in this country,

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Speaker 2: Chevron getting struck down is a landmark event. Obviously, you

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Speaker 2: know people who are big government authority figures, which not

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Speaker 2: necessarily on the left, by the way, I spoke with

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Speaker 2: some right wing figures, and there is actually some concern

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Speaker 2: that the repeal of Chevron will significantly curtail Donald Trump's ability,

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Speaker 2: let's say, to carry out some of the immigration policy

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Speaker 2: that he wants to if he were to assume office.

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Speaker 2: So there's several things like with respect to what is

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Speaker 2: known as public charge in welfare, where you know, basically

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Speaker 2: illegal immigrants, depending on the circumstances, could or could not

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Speaker 2: qualify for welfare. That was something that the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: tried the first time around.

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Speaker 3: There was also this huge case around the census.

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Speaker 2: All of these things involve comment administrative law and interpretation

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Speaker 2: of the law by the sitting executive, whereas this time

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Speaker 2: around it takes a lot of authority to the court.

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Speaker 2: So even though we just had the Supreme Court case

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Speaker 2: about presidential immunity, the Chevron doctrine significantly curtails the overall

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Speaker 2: administrative state, which by definition means that it will lessen

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Speaker 2: at least some of the power of the federal government,

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Speaker 2: especially in the realm of the economy and determining, especially

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Speaker 2: the president's absolute authority over military matters.

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Speaker 3: If you ask me, should probably be revers shouldn't it.

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Speaker 2: Let's also get to the next part because this is

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Speaker 2: an also highly significant case. This was a case that

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Speaker 2: we led with on the show several months ago. The

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court unfortunately rejected the challenge to the Biden administration's

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Speaker 2: contacts with social media companies, and this was a major,

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Speaker 2: major First Amendment case with respect to how the government

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Speaker 2: should interact with social media platforms like Facebook, Google, and Twitter. Basically,

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Speaker 2: what the decision came down to is that the authority

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Speaker 2: and First Amendment rights of Americans is not infringed upon

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Speaker 2: by the government if it has a contact with social

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Speaker 2: media company or if it, let's say, whips up a

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Speaker 2: campaign and leads to third party calls for censorship, it

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Speaker 2: does not violate your First Amendment rights. Now, obviously this

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Speaker 2: is not the way that I think the decision should

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Speaker 2: be because there is an implicit threat of power in

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Speaker 2: my opinion, Let's think about the Alex Barentson case, for example,

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Speaker 2: where you literally have White House officials who are emailing

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Speaker 2: executives over at Twitter and saying why is this account

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Speaker 2: still up?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 2: They're not ordering you to take down the account, but

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Speaker 2: the mere suggestion, and especially in working with conjunction with

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Speaker 2: other groups surrounding the so called censorship industrial complex, leads

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Speaker 2: to a snowball effect which could then lead to your

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Speaker 2: digital rights a quote unquote freedom of speech to be curtailed.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Basically what they found, though, is that the executive has broad,

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Speaker 2: broad authority to maintain their contacts with these social media companies. So,

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Speaker 2: for example, this is written by Justice amy Cony Barrett.

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Speaker 2: The plaintiffs, without concrete link between injuries and the defendant's conduct,

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Speaker 2: ask us to review years long communications between dozens of

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Speaker 2: federal officials across different agencies with different social media platforms

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Speaker 2: about different topics. This Court's standing doctrine prevents us from

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Speaker 2: exercising general legal oversight of the other branches of the government.

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Speaker 2: There was, though, actually a pretty important descent from Justice

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Speaker 2: Alito Thomas and Neil Gorsich. They say, for months, high

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Speaker 2: ranking government officials placed unrelenting pressure on Facebook to suppress

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Speaker 2: American's free speech. Because the Court unjustifiably refuses to address

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Speaker 2: this serious threat to the First Amendment, I respectfully dissent. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: this White House is very happy about this. The Biden

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Speaker 2: administration said, quote Supreme Court's decision is the right one.

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Speaker 2: It helps ensure the Biden administration can continue our important

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Speaker 2: work with technology companies to protect the safety and the

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Speaker 2: security of the American people. So unfortunately, a so called

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Speaker 2: you know, firewall between the government and the social media

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Speaker 2: companies was not erected by the Supreme Court when they

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Speaker 2: had the opportunity, I think to really set the standard

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Speaker 2: from the beginning and make sure that there is not

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Speaker 2: collusion going on. Justice Kavanaugh, for example, gave what I

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Speaker 2: thought was a really stupid example. He said, well, under

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Speaker 2: this standard, you know, White House official shouldn't be allowed

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Speaker 2: to talk to reporters because they're constantly trying to manage

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Speaker 2: the information that is being put out. But that is

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Speaker 2: a single instance for a single paper. That is not

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Speaker 2: the same thing as a platform, especially in a monopolist

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Speaker 2: environment like the one we're in today, where all of

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Speaker 2: these platforms can simultaneously just take somebody down and dramatically

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Speaker 2: limit their exposure. There's also the so called shadow batting effect,

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Speaker 2: which of course has no oversight, no insight from the

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Speaker 2: federal government, and which has been highly encouraged, you know,

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Speaker 2: especially during the whole vaccine era January sixth misinformation COVID

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Speaker 2: Chinese origin of coronavirus I could go on forever regardless.

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Speaker 2: The point is is that these two cases are very,

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Speaker 2: very significant. They may even be frankly more significant than

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Speaker 2: the immunity case, because what we have now is a

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Speaker 2: standard that the government can pressure the hell out of

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Speaker 2: a social media company if they want to to take

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Speaker 2: somebody something down that has no infringement on your First

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Speaker 2: Amendment rights. And then also the administrative state and the

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Speaker 2: delegated authority that it previously had without judicial review no

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Speaker 2: longer stands. So take those two things and understand that

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Speaker 2: that is going to dramatically shape the next administration, perhaps

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Speaker 2: the next Trump administry, and it may not be in

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Speaker 2: the way that some right wingers actually wanted it to be,

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Speaker 2: and we might see some of the First Amendment concerns

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Speaker 2: really come back to bite some of these people in

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Speaker 2: the ass. Any Palestine protesters out there I may not

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Speaker 2: be so happy about this one, especially if Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: does get elected. So Joe Biden daigned to make his

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Speaker 2: first public appearance yesterday. He made some comments on the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court. It was scheduled for seven forty five pm.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of anticipation. This is President Biden's

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Speaker 2: first appearance since his disastrous public debate. Is he going

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Speaker 2: to a la concerns? Is he going to speak for

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Speaker 2: a long time? Is he going to show us that

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Speaker 2: he really can do the job? Is he going to

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Speaker 2: take any questions from all the reporters? Pretty much none

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Speaker 2: of that happened. He spoke for a record four minutes.

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Speaker 2: He took no questions, He read off of a script,

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Speaker 2: including at one point saying quote end of quote, showing

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Speaker 2: that it was the end of the quote in the teleprompter.

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Speaker 2: And then, perhaps most puzzling of all, was caked in

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Speaker 2: orange makeup.

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Speaker 3: Not an exaggeration. Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is a side by side that's Biden at the debate,

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Speaker 2: that's Biden yesterday. And there's no photoshop, there's no editing.

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Speaker 2: I swear to you this is a real image. And

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Speaker 2: we are already seeing reporting from multiple mainstream media outlets

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Speaker 2: that Biden's staff is apparently very upset with CNN because

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Speaker 2: they're blaming the makeup artists for not putting enough makeup

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Speaker 2: on him and appearing to pale and out of it. Right,

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Speaker 2: it's the makeup people's fault. It's also apparently their fault

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00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 2: that he didn't know which camera to look at, even

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Speaker 2: though Trump somehow figured it out in the course of

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Speaker 2: the debate. Interesting, right, that these are the excuses that

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Speaker 2: we're coming up with. So orange man, bad question mark.

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Speaker 2: That's one that cheetoh, Jesus and all of that perhaps

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Speaker 2: will be changing the Democrats and the center left will

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00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: be changing their tune on that one. This funny part

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00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 2: stuff though aside, there's some very serious stuff going on

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00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: right now by the Biden campaign and the people behind

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Speaker 2: him to try and shut down any conversation about him

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Speaker 2: dropping out of the race.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is perhaps the most insane one is that Democrats

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Speaker 2: are currently weighing nominating Biden through the unofficial or through

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00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: the official channels online to circumvent all of the talk

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00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: of dropping him from the tickets. So you can see

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Speaker 2: this from Bloomberg. A mid July vote would formally tap

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Speaker 2: Biden as the nominee as early as July twenty. First,

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Speaker 2: the president's allies have pushed back then on the calls

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Speaker 2: for replacement, and they believe that this would accomplish two

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00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 2: birds with one stone. Number one is that it would

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00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: qualify him for the ballot much earlier in several states,

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Speaker 2: as opposing to having him to wait a month. But

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Speaker 2: number two is, look, it's July second, nineteen days. That's

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Speaker 2: a long time, especially for an old man. But two

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Speaker 2: months is way longer than that. It's a political eternity.

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Speaker 2: So what they want to do is nominate him officially

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Speaker 2: and then it's over. You can't even attempt to have

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Speaker 2: a broker convention or a contested convention.

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Speaker 3: So this is as rigged as it gets. Folks.

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Speaker 2: Remember they were already doing this because they were worried

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Speaker 2: about Palestine protesters and uncommitted delegates disrupting the official nomination process.

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Speaker 2: This means they would move it fully online even earlier

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Speaker 2: to disrupt concerns about his age and any Israel Gaza protests,

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Speaker 2: and then make the convention a coronation as opposed to

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Speaker 2: something that was actually contested. So this is a full

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Speaker 2: on conspiracy by Biden, his family, and his closest aids

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Speaker 2: to ram this through as soon as possible. Let's go

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Speaker 2: to the next part, please, because this shows us part

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Speaker 2: of the push and pull of everything that is going

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Speaker 2: on here. So, for example, Governor Whitmer, who has been

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Speaker 2: hailed as some alleged replacement for Joe Biden, well it

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Speaker 2: turns out that the very day after the debate, Governor

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Speaker 2: Whitmer of Michigan phoned Jennifer O'Malley Dylon, she is the

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Speaker 2: campaign manager for the Biden campaign, to quote relay that

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Speaker 2: Michigan in the wake of the debate is no longer

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Speaker 2: winnable for Joe Biden. So look, any scenario where Biden

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Speaker 2: doesn't win Michigan is basically game over. Remember Biden won

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Speaker 2: Michigan in twenty twenty. Trump barely won Michigan in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: I think it was only like ten thousand votes or so.

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Speaker 2: But he needs Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania to go in

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Speaker 2: his direction because right now all polling in the world

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Speaker 2: indicates that Georgia and Arizona and Nevada are likely gone

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Speaker 2: without those three so called Blue Wall states, he's done.

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Speaker 2: So if he's losing in Michigan according to the city

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Speaker 2: governor there, I don't even know what the hell this

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Speaker 2: entire purpose of this is. You can nominate him early

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Speaker 2: if you want, but then you're basically guaranteed to lose.

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Speaker 2: There's also a lot of other stuff going on right now,

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Speaker 2: for example, Post Bay polls. This one is insane, it's shocking.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen just to

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Speaker 2: show you. In the state of New Hampshire, a New

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Speaker 2: Saint ansel College poll shows Donald Trump at forty four percent,

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden at forty two percent, RFK Junior at four

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Speaker 2: Now you would say, hey, but Biden's you know, he's

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Speaker 2: pretty close there, right, Yeah, you shouldn't even be in

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Speaker 2: the margin of error because he won the state by

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Speaker 2: over five points last time around. It wasn't even supposed

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Speaker 2: to be a battleground state. It hasn't been really looked

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Speaker 2: at as a battleground state for a long time. Trump

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00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 2: came kind of close in twenty sixteen, but you know, look,

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Speaker 2: that was the best possible circumstance for him and he

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Speaker 2: still barely lost it. So what are we doing here

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Speaker 2: when Biden is trailing Trump in New Hampshire. This just

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Speaker 2: puts all kinds of states on the map which previously

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Speaker 2: we weren't even thinking about. And let's go to the

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Speaker 2: next part because we can just continue and roll down this.

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Speaker 2: You know a Seltzer, we previously brought you her Iowa poll.

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Speaker 2: Ann Seltzer is perhaps the best polster in this entire country,

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Speaker 2: the state of Iowa. She says that Donald Trump is

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Speaker 2: up by nearly twenty points in Iowa. Why do we care, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Iowa is a red state because let's say the nearby

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Speaker 2: states like Wisconsin, for example, that Trump obviously or that

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Speaker 2: Biden needs to win if he has any chance, Well,

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Speaker 2: that means he's probably losing Wisconsin by seven to ten points.

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Speaker 3: Then you've got here.

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Speaker 2: Journalist John Ralston pretty much the gold standard whenever it

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Speaker 2: comes to Nevada politics. He says Biden is not only

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Speaker 2: losing Nevada, but he is dragging the Democrats down down ballot.

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Speaker 2: Here's what he says. My thoughts here on New York

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Speaker 2: Times Siena. This is a very bad poll for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: I also think it is terrible for Jackie Rosen and

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Speaker 2: Democratic House incumbents. I am not a huge fan of

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Speaker 2: most Nevada poles, and this one certainly has anomalies. But

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Speaker 2: Biden is losing here. When John Rawlston speaks, I'm listening, folks,

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Speaker 2: and just over and over again, we are watching just

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Speaker 2: really a meltdown, a national meltdown for Joe Biden at

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Speaker 2: almost every level. And yeah, Biden has sixty three percent

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Speaker 2: unfavorable rating in Nevada compared to Trump's fifty Nearly two

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Speaker 2: thirds here have an unfavorable view of the president.

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Speaker 3: My goodness.

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Speaker 2: Well that's not all, folks, because already Republican candidates are

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Speaker 2: picking up on the Biden debate performance, smacking Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: and all of the Democratic candidates here, for example, is

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Speaker 2: Dave McCormick in the state of Pennsylvania running against Bob Casey,

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Speaker 2: another critical background state.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen. The worst bit I've ever seen

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Speaker 3: in my entire life, no two ways about it.

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Speaker 4: That was not a good debate for Joe. It's pain.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: So what do we do about this, Whatever.

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Speaker 4: We have to do with.

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Speaker 7: Whether you have Joe Biden do to make the case

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Speaker 7: that he's not an elderly, well meaning gentleman.

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Speaker 8: People are going to see it in the campaign, and

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Speaker 8: he's prepared to do this job today and with the.

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Speaker 4: Real want best. Buddy's right post post screen with poses three,

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Speaker 4: Bobby Casey, I have a lot of confidence in leadership.

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Speaker 4: I have a lot of confidence in this leadership. No question,

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Speaker 4: he's prepared to do.

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Speaker 9: This job today.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just take a look at that.

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Speaker 2: You are going to see that at every single race

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Speaker 2: for the next several months, which is just genuinely devastating

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00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: for these folks and it just makes it very questionable

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Speaker 2: as to how you could be able to pull this out.

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Speaker 2: So this is all the campaign debating polling that we

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Speaker 2: have so far. I actually have one right in front

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Speaker 2: of me which just came out, So let me go

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Speaker 2: ahead and read it to everybody because it is actually

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00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: more of a counter signal and I want to be

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Speaker 2: able to present the whole picture. This is from Harvard

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Speaker 2: Harris poll and guys, we'll put this in a post

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Speaker 2: production if we can. It says among those who watched

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Speaker 2: the debate, did the debate make you more or less

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Speaker 2: likely to voe for Biden? Biden less likely forty two percent,

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Speaker 2: No impact thirty five more likely twenty three, Trump more

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Speaker 2: likely forty no impact, thirty five less likely twenty six.

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Speaker 2: So look for Biden, you still got the biggest number

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Speaker 2: there at forty two percent saying I'm less likely to

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Speaker 2: vote for you.

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Speaker 3: That is not good.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that just shows you again how devastating it was,

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Speaker 2: whereas it's only twenty six percent Trump forty percent more likely.

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Speaker 3: There for more likely whenever it comes to Trump.

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Speaker 2: You put all that together and I'm just seeing a

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Speaker 2: total wipeout that is happening on the campaign front.

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Speaker 3: The bottom is falling out.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean, though, that the Democrats aren't still going

831
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Speaker 2: to try and rig the process and nominate him before

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Speaker 2: the convention to shut down any of the conversation about

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Speaker 2: dropping him off the ticket. Sticking with the theme of

834
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Speaker 2: the establishment rigging the process, We've got even more details

835
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Speaker 2: from you that don't just have to do with the DNC.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen. Here we

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Speaker 2: have ron Klain, the former chief of staff to the President,

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Speaker 2: and then the person who also helped him prepare for

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Speaker 2: the debate. He says it is one hundred percent certain

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Speaker 2: that Biden is staying in the race. Big money donors.

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Speaker 2: He say, don't get to dictate the nominee of the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party. Well, it's not like the voters really got

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00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: to dictate the nominee of that party either, because there

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00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: was no primary. They didn't even get to vote, There

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00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: was no debate, there was nothing. They were hidden by

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00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: people like you behind the curtain. Before we could no

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00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: longer deny reality in front of all of our eyes.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the next one, please, because this is

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Speaker 2: actually the craziest one. This is quote behind the curtain,

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00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: inside the Biden salvation plan. Let's leave this up there

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00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 2: just so I cannot read from it. A massive political

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00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: pr personal campaign is underway to reject calls for President

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00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: Biden to drop his re election race and rally Democrats

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Speaker 2: to move on from the public debate and about his

855
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: age and his future. Biden has zero interest in stepping aside.

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00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: First Lady Joe Biden. Key family members agree the intrigue.

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00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: Biden is ducking tough interviews and avoided no press conferences.

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Speaker 2: Is now considering both. He is looking for a town

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00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 2: hall or a big one on one. This month, during

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Speaker 2: a family gathering at Camp David, Biden family members including

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Speaker 2: Hunter went through with the long scheduled session with celebrity

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Speaker 2: photographer any Leibowitz. The Biden's insisted the president was stay

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Speaker 2: in the race. They are all in and want him

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Speaker 2: to stay behind the scenes. Biden friends are now blaming

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Speaker 2: longtime aids who prepped Biden. They complained about everything from

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Speaker 2: the data having answers, to his makeup to briefing on

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Speaker 2: the camera angles. The President smoothed it over. He called

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Speaker 2: former chaff Chief of Staff Ron Klain, who I just referenced,

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Speaker 2: to lead the team, and one of the things they

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Speaker 2: talked about was that while he doesn't blame him for prep,

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Speaker 2: that they will continue forward. The campaign spokesperson said that

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Speaker 2: the aids who prepared President Biden have been with him

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Speaker 2: for years. Ron Klain is expected to lead Biden's prep

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Speaker 2: for now the second debate, and to be fair, Klain

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Speaker 2: has let debate prep for every president.

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Speaker 3: Since Bill Clinton, So it kind of makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Really, though, is inside this survival strategy Number one is

878
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 2: they want to quote dismiss bedwetting. They want to continue

879
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: to go after anybody who is breaking ranks and say

880
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 2: that they're bedwetterers, that they're cowards, that they're not sticking

881
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: by the president. They're trying to turn this into their

882
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 2: access Hollywood moment Number twoote.

883
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: They want to squeeze poles for juice.

884
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: Biden allies are circulating poles and focus groups showing that

885
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: the debate did little to change the dynamics of the race.

886
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: Not actually true though, considering the poll that we just

887
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: showed you in our last segment, number three, this is

888
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: the most important. They want to warn of chaos. So

889
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: remember that Jen Psaki clip I played for everybody earlier.

890
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: But Biden allies are making plain in private conversation the

891
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: perils of an open convention, the risks of picking a

892
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: Democrat even more unpopular than Biden, namely Vice President Kamala Harris.

893
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: So what they're doing is they're stabbing their own vice

894
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: president in the back. They're like, see, she's even more unpopular.

895
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: Can we can't run with her? They want to quote

896
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: limit descent. They're orchestrating supportive tweets by Clinton, by Obama,

897
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: the ones they showed to yesterday. Those are happening after

898
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 2: quote furious back channeling by allies. They're keeping all elected

899
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: leaders close, Chuck Schumer, Hakem Jeffries, They're like, listen, guys,

900
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: you're sticking with me, and you're not going anywhere. Getting

901
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: the donor class to chill out. They're getting, specifically Jeffrey

902
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: Katzenberg of DreamWorks Fame, to work the phones and to

903
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: go after anybody who is saying that it is Biden.

904
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: Biden should drop out. Quote they want to prove vitality.

905
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: That'll be an interesting one. Basically, they want to do

906
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: the bait and switch that they did yesterday, which is

907
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: there like, look, look how good he is on these

908
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: prescripted rallies surrounded by supporters.

909
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 3: Why can't he have been like that at the debate.

910
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, because the debate was at night,

911
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: and he literally has sundowning and also he's reading off

912
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: of a teleprompter, and obviously that's a lot easier.

913
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 3: Number eight is ignore and engage the media.

914
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 2: Biden allies want everyone to ignore prominent columnists who love

915
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: Biden and are now calling for his resignation. And on

916
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: the other hand, the White House is quote deeply engaged

917
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 2: with reporters writing about presidential fitness, pushing as much back

918
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: as possible that they can.

919
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 4: Now.

920
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: What they say is that the Biden kitchen cabinets, he's

921
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 2: a recipe for a narrow victory that includes a grand

922
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: slam speech.

923
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 3: At the Democratic Convention in Chicago. That'll be interesting.

924
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: I'll be in the room along with the rest of

925
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: our staff that can't wait to watch that one and

926
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Speaker 2: quote a strong showing in the next second debate plus

927
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: positive economic news in the fall. So basically, they believe

928
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: that this full court press survival strategy, rigging the process,

929
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: going after the elected leaders, arranging the former presidents all

930
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 2: behind him, will keep him limping along and that maybe,

931
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: just maybe they can drag their way out of it.

932
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the next part, please, because this also

933
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: is a little bit of a problem I think for

934
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 2: the Biden people, I mean guys. She literally, Jill Biden

935
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 2: is sitting for the cover of Vogue the very day

936
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Speaker 2: after this disastrous performance. She says, quote, we will decide

937
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 2: our future. And I mean more importantly, when you read

938
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: this article, it is very clear that the trappings of

939
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: power are very attractive. I always say to our current

940
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 2: first lady, And in fact, as we showed you yesterday

941
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: with that clip where she said, Joe, you knew all

942
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: of the facts, as if that was or sorry, Joe,

943
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: you answered every question you knew all of the facts,

944
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: as if that is supposed to be the baseline from

945
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Speaker 2: which we're congratulating again the most disastrous debate performance by

946
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: any American president ever. Anyway, I think it's important you

947
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: guys know now we've got the DNC plan. We've got

948
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 2: now inside details of what that plan looks like. So

949
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: what I would look for, this is my prediction. They

950
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: need to find a media sit down interview with a

951
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: friendly enough person, preferably a Jensaki, right, maybe Simone Sanders,

952
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: if we want to get a little crazy, they would

953
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 2: go with Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes, somebody like that, somebody

954
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: who's a regime like apparatchick, but not somebody who's going

955
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: to go out on a limb, and they want him

956
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: to ask a few challenging questions and we'll go with

957
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: that and there'll be a long sit down and interview.

958
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: They're going to blast it all over cable and they're

959
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: going to see look at his performance. At the same time,

960
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 2: I think we're going to see a lot more of

961
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: what we saw last night, Biden trying to prove that

962
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,439
Speaker 2: he can speak at night, but doing a four minute

963
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 2: press conference, right four minutes, taking no questions but reading

964
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: scripted more North Carolina type rallies. And then they're going

965
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: to prop up the DNC speech, which again is off

966
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: of a teleprompter, not impromptu whatsoever. They're probably going to

967
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: make it lengthy like Stay of the Union level, where

968
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: he reads off of the script and they're going to see, look,

969
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: he can speak for over an hour, he remains cogent,

970
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, it's all going

971
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 2: to be scripted and at the same time using behind

972
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: the the scene strategies to knife any potential political opponent,

973
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: any person who speaks out of line. At the same time,

974
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Speaker 2: we're starting to see some Democratic officials finally began to

975
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: speak out. First and foremost is Governor Andy Basheer of Kentucky. Obviously,

976
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: he is a bluestak governor, red state, one of the

977
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Speaker 2: most popular Democrats in the entire country.

978
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 3: What did he have to say? It was not kind.

979
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 3: He basically was like, yeah, I guess it's up to him,

980
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: but it was terrible. Let's take a listen. Well, the

981
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 3: debate performance was rough.

982
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 8: It was a very bad night for the president. Now

983
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 8: that he is still the candidate, only he can make

984
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 8: decisions about his future candidacy.

985
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 3: And so as long as he continues to be in

986
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 3: the race, I support.

987
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 5: Him and that you might jump in then, Boss, that

988
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 5: you might slot in, which would you if you had to?

989
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 8: Only the President can determine his future as a candidate.

990
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 8: He is the candidate, and as long as he is

991
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 8: supporting him.

992
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 10: So I think people want to make sure that this

993
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 10: is a campaign that's ready to go and win, that

994
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 10: the President and his team are being candid with us

995
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 10: about his condition, that this was a real anomaly.

996
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: So that's a very important clip. The first part Governor

997
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: Andy Basheer. The second part there that we showed you

998
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: was was Sheldon white House. Now what arguably even more

999
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 2: important because Sheldon white House is the Democratic Senator from

1000
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 2: Rhode Island, longtime Democrat. This is a standard guy. These

1001
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 2: people don't speak out against the White House hardly ever,

1002
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 2: but for him to basically go after the White House

1003
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 2: and almost accuse them of a cover up and questioned

1004
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: Biden's performance very significant. I also think Governor Andy Basheer

1005
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 2: there breaking from the White House and really being the

1006
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: first major Blue governor to acknowledge how disastrous that debate

1007
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: was for Joe Biden is a major event. It's also

1008
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: been some major breaking news that actually just happened. I'll

1009
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: go ahead and just bring into all of you. This

1010
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: is from Jake Tapper. He says that Democratic governors actually

1011
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: held a call yesterday afternoon, just the governor's, no staff,

1012
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: no White House. On the call, Democratic governors express concern

1013
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: about what's going on with the president. They know that

1014
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: if they come forward publicly with concern, they will cause

1015
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 2: Biden to dig in. They are also shocked that Biden

1016
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 2: has not contacted any of them. There was a discussion

1017
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: about wanting to have a call with a campaign or

1018
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: the White House, some discussion about having Vice President Harris

1019
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: come and address their concerns. Strong sentiment they need to

1020
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: hear directly from Joe Biden.

1021
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: Quote.

1022
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: They are trying to set up a meeting with the

1023
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: White House or via zoom, but the White House knows

1024
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 2: of this request. They are not coming in with any

1025
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: specific message, but they feel the need to hear directly

1026
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: from President Biden. So you combine these two things. We've

1027
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: got Blue state governor. He's speaking out publicly. He's like, yeah,

1028
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: it's up to him, only he can make that decision.

1029
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: You only say that when you're like, look, this guy

1030
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 2: is screwed. Number two, you got their Sheldon white House

1031
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 2: again totally normy Democratic senator. Let's go to the next part,

1032
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 2: and we have here example a tweet from Tim Ryan,

1033
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: former Senate candidate in Ohio, Democrat. He says, we have

1034
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: to rip the band aid off. There's too much at stake.

1035
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: The Vice president has significantly grown into her job. She

1036
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: will destroy Trump in a debate, highlight the choice issue,

1037
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: energize our base, bring back young voters, and give us

1038
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 2: generational change. Quote it's time. I mean, look, I don't

1039
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: necessarily agree with that analysis, but important. Nonetheless, this is

1040
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: a guy from red state again Democrat. They seem to

1041
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 2: be the ones who are willing to speak out a

1042
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: little bit. There was also an interesting interview with Representative

1043
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: Mike Quigley Illinois fifth District, normal Democrat to again really

1044
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: acknowledging how bad it was for Biden and saying some

1045
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 2: troubling things for the White House.

1046
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 3: Let's take a list. I think his four years are.

1047
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 7: One of the great presidencies of our lifetime, but I

1048
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 7: think he has to be honest with himself this decision

1049
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 7: he's going to have to make.

1050
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 3: He clearly has to understand.

1051
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 7: I think what you're getting to here is that his

1052
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 7: decision not only impacts who's going to serve in the

1053
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 7: White House the next four years, but who's going to

1054
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 7: serve in the Senate, who's going to serve in the House,

1055
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 7: and it will have implications for decades to come.

1056
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 6: It sounds like you're actually open to the idea that

1057
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 6: it might be the right decision for him to step aside.

1058
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 7: I think what I'm stressing is it has to be

1059
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 7: his decision, but we have to be honest with ourselves

1060
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 7: that it wasn't just a horrible night. But I won't

1061
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 7: go beyond that out of my respect and understanding President

1062
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 7: Joe Biden, the very proud person who has served us

1063
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,439
Speaker 7: extraordinarily well for fifty years.

1064
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 4: But it's his decision.

1065
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 7: I just want him to appreciate at this time just

1066
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 7: how much it impacts not just his race, but all

1067
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 7: the other races coming in November.

1068
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 2: They're all using the same rhetoric, it's up to his decision.

1069
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 2: But look, he's opening the door. He's like, look, you

1070
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: need to get the hell out of here. And then

1071
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 2: at the same time, the nine are out for Biden

1072
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: and because the media is just no longer going to

1073
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 2: continue to play this game that they have. Carl Bernstein

1074
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 2: of Watergate fame comes out with a new report last

1075
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 2: night with more dementia ridden episodes that he can tell

1076
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: us about that has Biden has experienced behind the scenes.

1077
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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to Carl Bernstein.

1078
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 9: These are people, several of them who are very close

1079
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 9: to President Biden, who love him, have supported them and

1080
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 9: have been among them, or some people who have raised

1081
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 9: a lot of money for him, and they are adamant

1082
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 9: that what we saw the other night that Joe Biden

1083
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 9: we saw is not a one off. That there have

1084
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 9: been fifteen twenty occasions in the last year and a

1085
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 9: half when the president has appeared somewhat as he did

1086
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 9: in that horror show that we witness And what's so

1087
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Speaker 9: significant is the people that this is coming from, and

1088
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 9: also how many people around the president are away of

1089
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 9: such incidents, including some reporters incidentally, who have witnessed some

1090
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Speaker 9: of them.

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Speaker 1: The people who were you know, working with him at

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Speaker 1: Camp David allegedly in this intensive debate prep if there

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Speaker 1: were concerns there about this, and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you have any got any word about that. But how

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Speaker 1: anybody involved in that debate prep, I mean, didn't anybody

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Speaker 1: see something?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 9: The debate prep was was supervised by Ron Klain, who

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Speaker 9: has been with President Biden for many years, and people

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Speaker 9: I've talked to have all been to Ron Klain in

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Speaker 9: the last year to say, we have a problem. We

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Speaker 9: have a problem such as we saw the other night,

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Speaker 9: that there have been numerous instances where the president has

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Speaker 9: lost his train of thought can't pick it up again.

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Speaker 9: There was a fundraiser at which he started at the podium,

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Speaker 9: and then he became very stiff, according to the people there,

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Speaker 9: as if it were almost a kind of rigor mortis.

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Speaker 4: This was said report.

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Speaker 9: It really needs to be explored, according to the people

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Speaker 9: I'm talking to, and I think an awful lot of

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Speaker 9: major Democrats believe this, including some who have made statements

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Speaker 9: to the contrary.

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Speaker 3: The insane part is that Carl Bernstein is basically the

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Speaker 3: same age as Joe Biden, and look at him. He

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Speaker 3: seems relatively fine, I guess.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's only eighty years old spring Chicken, compared

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Speaker 2: to the eighty one year old Joe Biden. This is

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Speaker 2: what we're dealing with I mean, look, this is obviously

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Speaker 2: it was obvious to everybody given the public image and

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Speaker 2: the public moments that Biden has had. But now to

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Speaker 2: have these moments openly acknowledged on CNN of all places,

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Speaker 2: also by a prominent reporter like Carl Bernstein, that's just

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Speaker 2: knives out by at least some people around President Biden

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Speaker 2: that are going to be acknowledging the truth. And as

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Speaker 2: more and more Democrats are open and acknowledging this and

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Speaker 2: willing to speak to the media, the cascade is just

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Speaker 2: going to continue.

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Speaker 3: Keep this in mind too.

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Speaker 2: This is a holiday weekend, a lot of people are

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Speaker 2: on vacation, but starting July ninth, Congress is actually back

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Speaker 2: in session, So keep that in mind. And just to

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Speaker 2: explain that, is that all of these Democratic congressmen, they're

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Speaker 2: going to be here in Washington and they're going to

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Speaker 2: be surrounded by reporters. They're not going to be able

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Speaker 2: to get away with no comments. Right now, they're all

1136
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Speaker 2: at home, or they're doing constituent events, or they're on vacation,

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Speaker 2: they can dodge if they need to.

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Speaker 3: When you're here in DC, it is not that easy.

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Speaker 2: You're going to have every microphone in your face like this,

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Speaker 2: if you're Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, or any of these

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Speaker 2: other people not homing, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, every single

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Speaker 2: one of these folks is going to have to comment

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Speaker 2: or issue in no comment, which is in itself is

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Speaker 2: very very telling. So this is a big moment. So

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Speaker 2: we've given you both sides the story here. There's the

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Speaker 2: rigging process, but there's also some starting bubblings about at

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Speaker 2: least trying to get him off the ticket. We'll see

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Speaker 2: which one wins out.