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Speaker 1: you know, traditions because it got beaten and stolen from us,

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Speaker 1: you know. Um. So that was where my father, so

427
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: my mother came from that. My mother's father, she had

428
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Speaker 1: lots of brothers and sisters from various wives of her

429
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Speaker 1: father and all the all the women lived on on

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Speaker 1: on the compound, and it's not always not always happy,

431
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, love and the happiness. Because my mother's mother

432
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 1: was poisoned by one of the other wives because there

433
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: was some jealousy. There's a hierarchy, and my mother's mother

434
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 1: was the first wife and so she, you know, she

435
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Speaker 1: was with the hierarchy and was prone, she was prone

436
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,239
Speaker 1: to resemblement from the other wives. It was like an

437
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Speaker 1: episode of dynasty or something. It's like a real soap

438
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Speaker 1: popular happily. But that was the tradition and that was

439
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: the life that my mom came from. But as a daughter,

440
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: which was kind of the patriarchy in Nigeria's race John

441
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 1: as a daughter, you know, a lot of times the

442
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Speaker 1: daughters weren't always educated. They were motherhood and wiped him.

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Speaker 1: But because my mother was keenly intelligent and her father

444
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Speaker 1: was a well traveled businessman. He was traveling all over Europe,

445
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Speaker 1: traveling over the America, was doing business. So he was

446
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 1: quite an open minded and well traveled guy, and he

447
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Speaker 1: chose to educate my mother because you could see that

448
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: my mother was extremely intelligent and and she sent her

449
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Speaker 1: to really good schools and she was educated and my

450
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Speaker 1: mother became one of the youngest headmistresses school you know

451
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Speaker 1: school principles in Nigeria. She was in a school principal

452
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Speaker 1: before she was twenty four years old. So she was

453
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Speaker 1: highly educated. And eventually she ended up coming to England

454
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Speaker 1: to further her studies. And it was in England that

455
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Speaker 1: she met my father. But basically she was kind of

456
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Speaker 1: like forced to go over it right when she was

457
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: killing her mother was killed by the other wife because

458
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Speaker 1: she was so educated and so beloved by her father.

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Speaker 1: My mother, her mother had begged her father to send

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Speaker 1: her away that she's in danger from the other wife.

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00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: It was envious of her education and the fact that

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Speaker 1: she was so beloved by her father. So after her

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Speaker 1: mother died, her father was like okay and sent her

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Speaker 1: to England, said, look, his money, go to England, further

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Speaker 1: your studies. Make her life in England, because you know,

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Speaker 1: England was seen as the motherland. Nigeria was a British colony,

467
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Speaker 1: so England was seen as the motherland of night children.

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Speaker 1: A lot of Nigerians wanted to go to England to

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Speaker 1: study gain those qualifications and then come back and bring

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Speaker 1: their new qualifications back to my jo and help build

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Speaker 1: the country. So my my, my grandfather sent my mother

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Speaker 1: to England to study, and that's where she was and

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Speaker 1: that's where she met my father, and that's where my

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Speaker 1: history begins. Well your history, well your history is a

475
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Speaker 1: great history, you know. And the cat handed let's talk

476
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Speaker 1: about that, Tyler, because I want to go. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: to Gina Yasha. You know, she's the co executive was

478
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: just he's the co creator, actress, co starring on this

479
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Speaker 1: series Bob Hearts Bob Harts a a sholop, which is

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00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 1: a cb A hit series. Now, when when I talk

481
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: about this about you in general, um, what I want

482
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: to make sure people understand is that cat handed is

483
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: a word for clumsy, awkward. You know, she's left handed.

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Speaker 1: That's what cat means left in the British terminology. So

485
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Speaker 1: when where where are we leaving with? Is we leading

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Speaker 1: with the word awkward tied to cak, we lead the

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Speaker 1: word clumsy tied to cat or it's just out of

488
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Speaker 1: a fish out of water, which one of those terms.

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Speaker 1: There are so many meanings for the books. As you

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Speaker 1: you said, cat candid is a British Old British word

491
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Speaker 1: for left handed, also mean it's clumsy or gould, which

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Speaker 1: I don't believe we are. I think we're living in

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Speaker 1: a right handed world, so we're perceived as clumsy. If

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Speaker 1: I'm at a bar and I'm next to you and

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Speaker 1: I'm talking and I'm gesticulating with my left hand, I'm

496
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: gonna knock over your drink because you've put your drink

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Speaker 1: on the right hand side of your body, which is

498
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Speaker 1: your dominant hand. My left hand is my dominant hand.

499
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonnaknock your drink over, and then you're gonna call

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Speaker 1: me clumsy, but it's not. It's a right handed world

501
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Speaker 1: and I'm just clumsy in it because everything is catered

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Speaker 1: for right handers. So that's why cat handed means it's

503
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: clumsy and awkward. It also talks about my journey. My

504
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: journey has never been straightforward. I've had to duck, dive,

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Speaker 1: and weave and and circumvent various obstacles that been put

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Speaker 1: in my way. So that's also another meaning of cat handed,

507
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: in that my journey has been unconventional. Also, kat is

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Speaker 1: another word for poo, and I know if you knew that.

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Speaker 1: I did know that, not my research. I didn't know

510
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: that in my research, you know, our researching your girl. Yeah,

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00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: any cultures, African culture and Middle Eastern culture. The left

512
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Speaker 1: hand is the hand that's supposed to be the one

513
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: that's used to wipe your bottom after you do a

514
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: pooh kat is another word for pooh, so chat basically

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00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: means pooh handed. So there are very and as a Nigerian,

516
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: because my family is African, I was born left handed.

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Speaker 1: For a long time, I was forced to write with

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Speaker 1: my right hand because the left hand is seen is unclean.

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00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: And even in the Bible, you know, there's terms that say,

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Speaker 1: you know, Jesus sat on the right hand side of God,

521
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: the right hand is always the good side. The left

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Speaker 1: hand is always seen as unclean. So when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid, yeah, I was forced to write with my

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Speaker 1: right hand, forced to cook with my right hand, forced

525
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Speaker 1: to do it. So if my mom walked into the

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Speaker 1: kitchen and I was stirring upot of food with my

527
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Speaker 1: left hand, I'd get a slap around the head and

528
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: all that food would go in the flash and we

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Speaker 1: start again. So hence that's why the title of the

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00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: book is that because it encompasses various aspects of my

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Speaker 1: life on my journey. Wow, you're amazing and I want

532
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Speaker 1: to wrap up my ass And a couple of more questions. One,

533
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: why did you write the book? Because it's a memoir,

534
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, and a memoir is usually told you want

535
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 1: people to be motivated by your story, which I am

536
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: motivated by your story. But why did you write the book?

537
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: And also become relatable? I felt a lot of your

538
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: story was relatable because if in the beginning and you know, well,

539
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, you may be in London, England, but you

540
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: dealt with racism just like I deal with racism in America,

541
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: and sometimes we don't understand that there's a Black Lives

542
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: matters the movement and in London as it is in America.

543
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: Talk about the importance of the memoir and also talk

544
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: about how timely this book is because it also is

545
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: a history lesson book. It walks through the path of

546
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: how basically you can say that you know Nigeria was

547
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: was was undermined it and basically uh robbed and the

548
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: jurlry and the success and the wealth was brought into

549
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: British museums. So talk about that and help us out

550
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: as as we as we recommend people to pick up

551
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: this book because it is an amazing book. Cat Candid, Yeah,

552
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean why I wrote the book. Originally, it started

553
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: off as just on Instagram. There was a hashtag throwback

554
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: Thursdays where you past old pictures, and I was posting

555
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: old pictures and writing the story behind the pictures. But

556
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: I post a picture and write an elaborate post explaining

557
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: the history behind the picture, and people were really interested

558
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 1: in saying, oh my god, your stories so good, why

559
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: don't you write a book? So I started keeping those

560
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: posts in a folder, and eventually a literally agent saw

561
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: my post and contacted me and says, you need to

562
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: write a book. So I, you know, I kept the

563
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: post and like, well, maybe one day in the future

564
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: I write a book. But I never really considered that

565
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: this would happen so soon. So that's how the universe worked.

566
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: And I wanted to talk about my history because people

567
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: don't seem to realize that the UK started sleepy imperialism.

568
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: The United Kingdom ruled most of the planet at one point,

569
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: so people think that American racism is the be all

570
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: and end all the racism. No, Americans learned that from

571
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: the Brits Americans from the Bridge. What we don't what

572
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, you don't realize that a lot of the

573
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: black people that are from the islands, Jamaica, Barbendos, Trinidad,

574
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: so we should these are all Caribbean descendants of slaves.

575
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: The British did their slavery slightly different from America, and

576
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: that I used to do a routine on stage where

577
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: I did that. The British did equivalent of the Americans

578
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: did the equivalent of going robbing someone's house, as is

579
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: stealing people from Africa and bringing them back home to

580
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: their own house. The bridge. That the equivalent of stealing

581
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: stuff but keeping it in Other people went to Africa

582
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: and soul black people. They didn't bring them all to England.

583
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: They hid their dirty doings and put the black people

584
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: on Caribbean islands for the for the sugar plantations and

585
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: on Caribbean islands. And that's where all those black people

586
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: who come from those islands are descendants of states. So

587
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: when African Americans, you know, there's been a discord for

588
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: a long time between African Americans and people coming from Africa,

589
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: people coming from islands. Our history is almost identical. Black

590
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: people in the Caribbean almost suffered exactly the same cruelty,

591
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: exactly the same awfulness that they did on American land,

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00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: on plant plantations within America. So what I wanted to

593
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: do was when I wrote the book, I started with

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00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: the history of Africa, Nigeria in particular, and the history

595
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: of what Britain did to Africans and how they spread

596
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: black people all over the world. That it's not the

597
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: Belgians were the terrible slavers, the Dutch, the South Africa,

598
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, all of it. So I just wanted to

599
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: show the commonality between black people. Wherever you end up

600
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: in the diaspora, We've all had very similar experiences. Accents

601
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: might be different, we might speak different languages, but the

602
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: experiences are very similar. Um. So that's part of the

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00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: history of what when I explained that, and then when

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Speaker 1: I talk about my upbringing in England, I was also

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Speaker 1: in England. People think called England and so genteel racism

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00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: doesn't England and work you're now discovering it with what

607
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: happened with you know, Megan Market and Prince Harry. But

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00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: racism is just as prevalent in Europe as it is

609
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: in America. I spent my life running away from skinnet,

610
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: being abused racially, at work, being pulled over by the

611
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: police all the time for no reason. The only reason

612
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: that less black people die at police hands in England

613
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: is because our police do not carry guns on a

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00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: routine basis. They only carry guns for uh for for

615
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: particular incidence where they are then have given special permission

616
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: to have. They do not carry guns on a daily basis.

617
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: And that is the only reason the black people are

618
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: not dying at the hands of police at the same

619
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: numbers in England as America. The only reason the police

620
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: in America are just as racist as the ones in England.

621
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: The ones in England just as racist as America. So

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00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to cover some of that in my book.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's obviously humor. I'm a comedian. I want

624
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: to make you laugh. So I'm also talking, you know,

625
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: putting injected quite a lot of humor in the book.

626
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: But I want Americans reading the book to see that

627
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: we have black people who have much more in common

628
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: all over the world than we've been led to believe.

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Speaker 1: You are amazing. Gina Yasharei a book cat handed as

630
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: a memoir about her life, Her Journey. She's also CBS star.

631
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Speaker 1: I'm a movie of To start start episode, think about

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Speaker 1: Texas a comedian, writer, co producer, co creative. Thank you

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00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: for taking the time to come on Money Making Conversation, Gina,

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00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: You're amazing. Thank you so much for having me. I've

635
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: been looking forward to this. Thank you all right, fellow

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Speaker 1: def jaff coming to jam members. You keep winning now, Okay,

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00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: thank you Jina for coming on Money Making Conversation, Genie Yashay.

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Speaker 1: It's finally here, the season of celebration, and no matter

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Speaker 1: tuned into the money making conversations. Minute of Inspiration with

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Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald on the court. Chris Paul is forced to

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Speaker 1: be reckoned with off the court. He's a father, husband, compassionate, philanthropist,

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Speaker 1: by supporting many organizations. There's so many people who have

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Speaker 1: helped me get to where I am today. That and

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Speaker 1: it board and just trying to teach and educate, especially

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Speaker 1: everyone just trying to teach him because I'm still learning.

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Speaker 1: Because what happens also is a lot of times people

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Speaker 1: see you on television or they see you on that

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Speaker 1: court and they think that's all you know. They think

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Speaker 1: all you know is how to put the ball in

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Speaker 1: the basket. That's not the case. Not only myself. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of intelligent athletes out there, and I think

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Speaker 1: dot com. Keep winning. Welcome back to Money Making Conversations

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Speaker 1: with your host Rashan McDonald. My next guest is an

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Speaker 1: industry decision maker. His name is Phil Thorne. His music industry.

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Speaker 1: He's the music industry executive television producer don't sleep on that,

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Speaker 1: and senior vice president General manager r C a Inspiration.

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Speaker 1: R C Inspiration is the number one label and gospel

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Speaker 1: music home to Kurt Flanker, Bam Free Hammer, the Wroans, Broke,

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Speaker 1: the Walls Group, Landraw Johnson, and many manymore. And we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about that because I'm gonna pull out this

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Speaker 1: press release to Stella Awards and so many people that

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Speaker 1: actually because rename the show the Provident Entertainment Awards, That's

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Speaker 1: what they rename it. Show all these folks up there

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Speaker 1: jamming up there. But he's also a member of the

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Speaker 1: National Museum of African American Music. Uh, he's a board member,

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Speaker 1: and that's important. We talked about that because the museum

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Speaker 1: is dedicated to preserving and the celebrating the many John

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Speaker 1: Is created influence inspired by African Americans. The museum is

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Speaker 1: located in Nashville and were featured special tributes in Black

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Speaker 1: Music Month, which is the month of June and present

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Speaker 1: coveted right rahaps of the Rhythm Awards to the Fish

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Speaker 1: Jubilee Singers and Lionel Richie and Smokey Robertson and Quincy

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Speaker 1: Jones and Shaka. Can you know if your old school?

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Speaker 1: Like when you gotta say shockn name twice? Because Fieldware

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Speaker 1: so many hats. There are plenty of words that can

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Speaker 1: be used to describe music industry executives like him and

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Speaker 1: television produces like him for those only want two words

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Speaker 1: to describe. And when I see him in it, because

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Speaker 1: he's a dear friend of mine, I called him the man.

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Speaker 1: Please work with the money making conversations, dumb man, feel thought, well,

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Speaker 1: the man, the man. I got the friend the man back.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, you know we met Mary, you

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Speaker 1: came down. We had a nice meal. Actually I moved.

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Speaker 1: I bought a building in Atlanta, man and um one

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Speaker 1: acre a lot and just uh expanding on the opportunities

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Speaker 1: of more into television production, producing to television sales currently

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Speaker 1: you know, expanding in the talent. But one of the

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Speaker 1: things I always appreciated you, and I think that what

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Speaker 1: what you really liked about me was the ability to multitask.

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Speaker 1: And you do a very good job of that field.

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Speaker 1: You've always done that well. Talk about that that ingredients

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Speaker 1: because a lot of people fail because they don't understand.

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Speaker 1: They get I gotta do this one thing and focus

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Speaker 1: on this one thing. That's true, but you have to

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Speaker 1: be able to do many things while you're focusing on

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Speaker 1: that one thing. Tell us about that filth thing you

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Speaker 1: gotta I mean to me, it's all about multitasking. I

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Speaker 1: love music, I love television and film as well. But

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Speaker 1: I've been fortunate, Rashan to have great partners, you know,

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Speaker 1: every steps on the label side, I have a great

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Speaker 1: team that supports me, which makes life much easier there.

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Speaker 1: And then from my television and film productions, A partnered

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Speaker 1: And so you know, it's really about just prioritizing, delegating,

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Speaker 1: and just working with people that you know, share that

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Speaker 1: same heart and dash, and that's very true because but

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Speaker 1: the key is feel. You know, i'mn put the word

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Speaker 1: putting up tailer on visionary, okay, because you have to

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Speaker 1: see things that other people don't see. And sometimes, you know,

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Speaker 1: we we take that for granted because you know, I

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Speaker 1: always love the fact that when I look at my life.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, when I was branding Steve Harvey

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Speaker 1: the word brand and it wasn't popular. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: just something I just did naturally. And so when I

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Speaker 1: used the word branding a branding expert, that's you. When

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Speaker 1: you were visionary as person who sees things, he sees

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Speaker 1: talent and he takes that talent into his fold and

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Speaker 1: guess where they become stars or they become or they

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Speaker 1: they they've lost their way. And he said, hey, come

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Speaker 1: work with me, and I think we can we can

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Speaker 1: do something together. That's a visionary. How is it when

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Speaker 1: you look at talent. That's why I called my boy

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Speaker 1: Will Packer. You know, when he came on the show,

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Speaker 1: I said, Will Packer man. You know when we were

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Speaker 1: doing act like Think like a man. And you know,

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Speaker 1: because Steve Harvey that when we sold the book to

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Speaker 1: screen gams. We envisioned that to be a white movie.

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Speaker 1: We really did. And so Will Packison. Now, man, I

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Speaker 1: got this guy named Kevin Hard, and I knew Kevin Hart,

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Speaker 1: you know, but I didn't know Kevin Hard like he

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Speaker 1: was patting about Kevin Hart. And so that was a

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Speaker 1: visionary who basically launched Think like a man, basically launched

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Speaker 1: Steph Kevin Hard's career. And also out of the same

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Speaker 1: move um John Legend Hit came out of there, and

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Speaker 1: so so the two major players in the music genre

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Speaker 1: and the acting comedic drama blew up because of his

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Speaker 1: vision and his association. You have the same ability, whether

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Speaker 1: it's new talent or talent that has been established, or

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Speaker 1: talent to look for a new vibe in their life.

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Speaker 1: Talk about how you look at these different challenges that

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Speaker 1: people present you from a talent standpoint. Shout out to

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Speaker 1: my brother, Will Packers, that's my that's that's my brother

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Speaker 1: there man, good friend of mine. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: on the talent level, it's it's a certain indescribable quality.

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Speaker 1: You know, over someon when I meet talent that I

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Speaker 1: never want to be the one to outwork talent. So

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Speaker 1: when I see and hear that passion, that commitment, that

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Speaker 1: clear vision that they see it as well. And I'm

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Speaker 1: more so of a person that's I becoming an executor

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Speaker 1: of source by having a talent that really really has

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Speaker 1: a clear picture of who they are person foremost, and

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Speaker 1: that's always important and and and again I mean amplify

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Speaker 1: what they say and what they envisioned, but it's important

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Speaker 1: who they are. Like I don't want you to just

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Speaker 1: do something because I think it's great. I want you

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Speaker 1: to basically have that foresight and that vision and I'll

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Speaker 1: come in like SA amplify take it to another level.

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Speaker 1: But I look for authenticity. I look for just you

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Speaker 1: know that that work ethic and just being clear on

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Speaker 1: your purpose and this is really your this is really

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Speaker 1: your purpose because not everybody wants to be an actor

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Speaker 1: should be an actor, or everybody wants to be a

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Speaker 1: singer needs to be a singer. So making sure that

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Speaker 1: your purpose and your passion are intersecting, and but making

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Speaker 1: sure that you're also authentic and there's something about you

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Speaker 1: that will connect with people, and that's what people look for. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's the Stellar Awards shows that you're you. You're dealing

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Speaker 1: with authenticity. You know when you look at the fact

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Speaker 1: that the thirty six annual Stellar Awards and profitent Entertainment

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Speaker 1: celebrates twenty three nominations for the thirty six annual Stellar

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Speaker 1: Hospital Music Awards, with ten artists nominating in seventeen categories.

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Speaker 1: Do you what do you come on now? You know

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Speaker 1: your room crowded now, your rooms crowded now, but just

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Speaker 1: the nominations alone, your rooms crowded. Grateful we had some

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Speaker 1: you know, we think twenty three nominations ship, well, Michael

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Speaker 1: you know, but I can always I got wrong on

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Speaker 1: the mantel that I'm looking at my mental now and

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Speaker 1: some Stellars and some Manage awards and someone we gotta

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Speaker 1: always make it wrong. I'm just come the three thing.

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Speaker 1: I brought that up because you know, one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite people care ship, Kelly. I gotta put Kelly on

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Speaker 1: that because you're mad Artists of the Sov the Year

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Speaker 1: Albertina Walker, Female Artists of the Year Album of the Year.

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Speaker 1: Uh coming to your contemporary female artists a year. When

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Speaker 1: I look at Madley Music, Marvin Sath, Dono mcclerk in

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Speaker 1: All Nations Music, Travis Green, who I Love to death?

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Speaker 1: You know, Leandrew Johnson, Corene heart On, Elvin cris Bel

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Speaker 1: and KP. Now when I gotta go back after Travis

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Speaker 1: Green because he's a special talent, because he has a

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Speaker 1: crossover audience. If I'm my mistaken, And when I interviewed

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Speaker 1: him and uh a couple of years ago, and then

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Speaker 1: I look at Donnie, said, Dunnie mc clerk and I've

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Speaker 1: been doing Donnie mckirklands since since two thousands, and we

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Speaker 1: fall down, which which which put him in another stratosphere

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Speaker 1: way back in two thousands, we falled down. So then

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Speaker 1: you look at Marvin Seth, you know his back to

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Speaker 1: back singles. Now he's doing syndicated radio on Sundays Weekend show.

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Speaker 1: So all these people are different. And then you have

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Speaker 1: this young thirty three year old kid, Sheer Kelly. You

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Speaker 1: know who's out there? Madley music? Who? Who? Who? When

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Speaker 1: you talk to him on phone, you're talking, You're talking

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Speaker 1: like your friend. You know, you know, don't you know?

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Speaker 1: Because you know, because people get that word gospel, they

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Speaker 1: think they're talking to somebody who's gonna hit him upside

848
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Speaker 1: the head with the Bible. And that's the same thing

849
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: with Travis Green. You have these people all just real people. Man.

850
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: I think that's what you used when you say that

851
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: we're authentic, that's what you're talking about. Yeah. Absolutely, man,

852
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: you gotta thinking about it. They yes, all of them

853
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: love God. They have that in common. They've been called

854
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: to do this, but they know more people like you

855
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: or not. I literally just had a meeting with our

856
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: mutual frank Kirk Franklin right before this, and you and

857
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: I both over Shara. Kirk is one of the most

858
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: down to earth people you know that there is, like

859
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna give you a scripture if you need a scripture,

860
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: a positive word. But he's a regular brother that's going

861
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: through you know, things like you and I. So I

862
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 1: mean but again so, but the same thing with Travis Travis, which,

863
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: by the way, we got a new single you heard

864
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: it here first from Travis Green coming out at the

865
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: end of June with Travis featuring Kirk Franklin and John p. Key.

866
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: So that's that's gonna be a big record for Travis Green.

867
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: So come on now, Yeah, Darth Carolina bar righttt that's right.

868
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: He got me, got me going back in my roots

869
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: now with John that's right there. Tell Travis Rashan wants

870
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: him on the show the end of June. Just tell

871
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: Travis Green that's my boy. I gotta have you know

872
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: because absolutely, And so when I when I look at

873
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: the whole thing and that reason, I'm just slowing it

874
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: down a little bit because we all on the show

875
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: to talk about you being a board men. Were only

876
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: show to talk about the National Museum of African American Music.

877
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: But gospel is such a key component to that music,

878
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: to that genre, and so many people come out of

879
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: gospel that supports the rest of the genre of music

880
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: that's at these at your African American Museum. What where

881
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: is gospel at? You know, we come out of COVID,

882
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: where I'd like to believe faith was reinforced in especially

883
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: with the civil unrest with with George Floyd. And you

884
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: know the anniversary is coming up this month. Unfortunately of

885
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: his one year death, murder or whatever name you want

886
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: to put it, definitely wasn't right. And uh fortunately the

887
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: first police officer has been in id and then this

888
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: summer we'll find out how long he will be imprisoned

889
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: or incarcerated. So where is gospel music at because you know,

890
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: you have hip hop went out there exploded. You know,

891
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: you always have R and B and then you had

892
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: a fusion, you have jazz. Where is gospel music in

893
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: that landscape? All uh, popularity or revenue tours, all those things.

894
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: The ASPHO music is, Uh, it's continues to grow stronger

895
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: than ever. Like, I mean, we had a record breaking

896
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: year then for our division. So I mean we you know,

897
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: great releases from care Is shared and you know, Karen

898
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: Hawthorne having you know, airplay on both the R and

899
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: B and the Gospel Station's Kirk Franklin had three number

900
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: one singles, one of which was a gold single, and

901
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: Love Theory, So I mean it was a record setting

902
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: year for us as a division, but also the genre

903
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: as a whole. I mean, people like Jonathan McReynolds and

904
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: Tasha cop Leonard from you know, my competitors and also

905
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: you got you got Maverick City Music. I'm sure you're

906
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: familiar with them. That that's the new wave right now.

907
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: They're doing tremendous things in the gospel realm as well.

908
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: So really the future looks bright. A lot of our

909
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: partners at Spotify, Apple, Amazon, pandor etcetera are seeing that

910
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: this is an underserved community. See that, but that that

911
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: constantly shows up, you know, with the minimal resources they've applied.

912
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: So now they're starting to really you know, ramp up

913
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: more personnel and more creating more opportunities on platform and

914
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: more real estate for gospel music, which is encouraging because

915
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: they also see the global opportunities for gospel. We're seeing

916
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: a lot of growth in Africa and Brazil, in the UK.

917
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: So it's just it's really continues to just grow and

918
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: grow and seeing cross genre collaborations, people like Tanye doing

919
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: gospel and you know, Justin Bieber just had a gospel

920
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: album Holy just continue chance to wrap a Holy I

921
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: love that cup, I love that cut. Then yes, yes,

922
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: much right with gospel continues to be you know, current

923
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: relevant and and we see I mean even hr the

924
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: singer her who just one who's won four Grammys in

925
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: an Oscar just a few weeks ago, She's got a

926
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: gospel song that you know, we put it out through

927
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: our division. So again we're seeing a lot of our

928
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: mainstream artists really paying how much to their roots and

929
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 1: and and unapologetic about their faith, which is extremely important.

930
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: So we're just like I said, we're seeing the catalog

931
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: world year over year, but we're also seeing the new

932
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 1: artists continue to have a lot of opportunity and generate

933
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: revenue extremes. Well, you know, you know I'm one of

934
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: those guys, man, I'm a big thinker. You know when

935
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: I see Travis Scott go down in Houston do his

936
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: Astra World concert and then sell out in a couple

937
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: of hours and ten thousand people buying tickets, and they

938
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: don't they only have a lot of just buying tickets

939
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: on faith? That Can we get that in gospel? Can

940
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: we get can these young stars? Can we can we

941
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: get that energy where there's a huge way they can

942
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: fill up you know Philadelphia for ball Stadium. It can

943
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: the future get there? I know we tried it with

944
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: the Three Kings when Donna mcclarg and Kirk and and

945
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: uh and Marvin Sapp about ten years ago. Can we

946
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: get there? Kend Jonathan McReynolds and all these talents that that,

947
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: can they get on the stage and generate ten fifteen

948
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: thousand people showing up? All my asking too much and

949
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: making that statement, I didn't know what I think it's

950
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: absolutely possible. I think Jonathan uh Karen Hawthorne, there's a

951
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: few artists that immediately come to mind that could really

952
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: uh be a catalyst said that. But I'm telling you

953
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: keep your eyes on that Maverick City Music. I've been

954
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: watching their momentum and they're independent, you know, they're they're

955
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: independently young and you know, targeting a young, multicultural audience

956
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: where you know it's gospel as you know, targeting at

957
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: eighteen of twenty four demo. They just announced the tour.

958
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: I think it was like fourteen cities a few weeks back,

959
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: sold out in four days, you know. So, I mean

960
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: so I feel like they are well on their way.

961
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: When I look at just the next generation to actually

962
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: do a ring, I see Arenas in their future. Wow.

963
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: I love it. But let's get back to where I

964
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: brought you on man, you know, doing his Black Music Month.

965
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: You know, we know the advertisers, they've they've taken note

966
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: of that. They want to spend money doing Black Music

967
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: Month and the big celebration in Nashville. Why Nashville for

968
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: the National Museum of African American Music, Nashville, Tennessee Music City, Right,

969
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: that's what they called so but I'm Detroit up there. Yeah, yeah,

970
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: we love we love Atlanta, but you know, Nashville it's

971
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: been called music city. So it's just it's so appropriate

972
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: that the museum should be open here. I mean we

973
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: opened it, you know, the soft opening was back during

974
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: in January doing MLK Weekend and since then that, you know,

975
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: it's been open, you know, for weekends, and we've now

976
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: expanded it to the open Wednesday through Sunday. But this

977
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: June Black Music Month seller ration, it's like the super

978
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: Bowl for the museum, Like this is that's what it is,

979
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: and so it's super exciting. I mean, we've got the

980
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: Legends Gala on you know that Thursday, the yeah, you know,

981
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: honoring some of the legends, I mean Quincy Jones and

982
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: Lionel Richie and Smokey Robinson, Miss Shaka Khana. I'm gonna

983
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: say Shaka. That was that was the first forty five

984
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: I had on my breakfad place. I feel for you,

985
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: So shout out to Miss Shaka Khan and then the

986
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: fifth two Polie singers. So that's the Legends gal. And

987
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: then on that Friday, you've got a series of panel

988
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: discussions what we're calling the State of Black Music Summit.

989
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 1: So I mean we're talking about everything from sports and music,

990
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: to fashion of music, to business and music, and also

991
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna be doing our Lives podcasts, say

992
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: the Black Music Podcast hosted by Yours Truly. UM. So

993
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 1: that's happening on that on that Friday, and then Saturday

994
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: is the big Block party and June Team celebrations. So

995
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: it's so much happening in Nashville, Tennessee at the museum.

996
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm just excited, and I just encourage everybody to come

997
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: out and see this momentous institution. Let's talk about this. Shoot.

998
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: I knew you're on my show, but it sounds like

999
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: you should be on Good Morning in America. Sounds like

1000
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: you should be on Today's show right now. Seriously, you

1001
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: know this is the this is your music city. Okay,

1002
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: this ain't motor said you're in music city. This is

1003
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: the this is the National Museum of African American Music.

1004
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: You talking about when you said when you got to

1005
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: the black part, that was going like, okay, okay, where

1006
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: who else know about this? I'm trying to get it.

1007
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: I'm excited. So I'm saying that why can't I why

1008
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: can't you be on Good Morning America talking about this?

1009
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: Where's the press on this? Man? Where? What's who? Does

1010
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: anybody see what I see? Here? Feel? You know me?

1011
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: I see big man? You CBS, I'll say, CBS this

1012
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: Morning has been a great support There you go the museum.

1013
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: They're actually working on doing another feature to highlight this

1014
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: wonderful uh we celebration that we have coming up. So

1015
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: but they've been super supportive. We love CVS hopefully you

1016
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: know all friends of g m A has show us

1017
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: some love and the Today's Show because that's because that's

1018
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: Father's Day weekend, right that that June? Yeah, because it's

1019
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: on a Sunday, so that June Team, So I mean

1020
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: it's but you know again it's it's if you can't

1021
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: make it on that Sunday, we're not doing it. Sunday

1022
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: is off, or even if that Saturday you can't make it,

1023
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 1: But Thursday and Friday, it's it's gonna be so much

1024
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: and so many great people you can you know, learn

1025
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: so much amazing information and meet and network and you know,

1026
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: just think about what what do you know a celebration

1027
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: where they're honor in Quincy Smokey lion On and Shock

1028
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: and you release things like that's just iconic, that's I mean,

1029
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: some of the great and so I'm super excited about

1030
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: what we have. But again here in Nashville, Tennessee, that's

1031
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: called music city. Well you know something you sold me

1032
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: feel actually yourself. Why are you all just teaching anyway

1033
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: about that? But the thing I just love about it

1034
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: because I get so excited and watching your brand. You know,

1035
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: I feel the thing about it. I always talk about

1036
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: your brain. I feel your special talent. I have to

1037
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: be in the room where you were honored by the

1038
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: legends and that was a special night. And uh and

1039
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: you have many more personal honors coming your way. But

1040
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: how did you get involved with the National Museum African

1041
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: American Music? How did that come about? As a board

1042
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: member was a good friend of mine. She just was

1043
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: telling me about the museum maybe five years ago, and

1044
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: facilitated an introduction with Henry Hicks, who's our you know,

1045
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: president of CEO of the museum. And when I met Henry,

1046
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: I guess he felt that passion. My love for music

1047
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: and black music is black music, be clear? Is American

1048
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: music When you think about every genre of music black people,

1049
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 1: African Americans. I played a significant role in the creation UM,

1050
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: not always demonetization, but the creation has been UM started

1051
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: with us. And so he felt that passion in that conversation,

1052
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: and you know, they voted me on to the board.

1053
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: Like I said, almost five years ago, and I've been

1054
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: rocking since, did a lot of fundraisers, UM you know,

1055
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: only I was you know, pretty instrumental in Sony's financial

1056
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: gift that they donated a few months back. So really

1057
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: this is something that is so much Rashaan there, and

1058
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: I had to be a part of it because beyond

1059
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: the actual institution, I think about the education initiatives, what

1060
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: we can do on elementary all the way through college

1061
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: and scholarship opportunities and these are things that we're absolutely

1062
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: implementing now. And so that's the you know, for the

1063
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: museum to be beyond the institution. And I wanted to

1064
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 1: be a part of that narrative, that storytelling and and

1065
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, Adam and doing my part, whether the part

1066
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: of it that the music is. You know, I'm old

1067
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: enough to have done that forty five single, the little

1068
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: forty five A and B side. I always remember that, uh,

1069
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, and then I went to the eight track, okay,

1070
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: and I thought that was the cassette. And then you know,

1071
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: we all had that long playing album, you know, but

1072
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 1: then then all of a sudden that the CD came out,

1073
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: and then and then all of a sudden it became digital.

1074
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: And so now I'm in my car can look at

1075
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, any type of genure music. I can make

1076
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: my own station if I wanted to. How is that

1077
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: play out for the autists, you know, because you have

1078
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: independent individuals got there, they can start their own labels.

1079
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: It's just a different game out there. And sometimes I

1080
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: don't even know. I'm experienced in the game, feel, and

1081
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: I don't even understand it. What what what? What technology

1082
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: or what knowledge do you have to bring to the

1083
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: game or or It's always a constant learning curve for

1084
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: you feel, throwing in the music business today, it's constantly

1085
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: a learning curve always. That's how you continue to be great,

1086
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: like because you know it was. It's as you mentioned,

1087
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 1: I mean, it's evolved over the years. And so when

1088
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: I think about now, even with n f T and

1089
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: bitcoin and everything happening with that movement with the music industry,

1090
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: that's the next wave of of you know, how music

1091
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: is going to be shared and and monetized. So you

1092
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: have to be a continue to be a student. I'm

1093
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: a student. I listened, I talked to my peers. I'm

1094
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: talking out only to the to the other CEOs are

1095
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: like my Silvia Own and John Platt. But I'm also

1096
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: talking to this younger generation to see what's the new,

1097
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,959
Speaker 1: what's now, what's next? Because you can learn so much,

1098
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: so much. Well, you know, now I need to know

1099
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: about the museum. You know, when mis spawning and when

1100
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: it opened up and uh Washington East African American Museum lines,

1101
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: you couldn't get in because they told us exactly what

1102
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: that experience was going to be about. You know, you

1103
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: told us about the block what's happening on thirdy was

1104
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: happing on Friday, block party on Saturday. You know what

1105
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,919
Speaker 1: is the museum experience when you walk through that front door?

1106
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: Is it two floors? It's in a basement. How many

1107
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: square footage? Let's let's take our time because I want

1108
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: you to be as visual and let's have fun with

1109
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: this because we're walking through African American history, music history here, Phil,

1110
00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: I want I want to take our time. I want

1111
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: to have fun with this next this next question the museum,

1112
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: and the museum is, uh, how many floors is it?

1113
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: How many square feet? You know, just just walk me

1114
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: through that front door, man, and like you just the

1115
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: tour guy. Oh, I got visio, I got people who

1116
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: listening to the show. I got people watching the show.

1117
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: So you really got to be creative. So the people listening,

1118
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: they gotta feel like they're walking with you. The people

1119
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: who can see you, they gotta feel like, Man, I

1120
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: can actually see that, that that that billy, that that saxophone,

1121
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: I can see that gut tar. I can see it all,

1122
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: I can hear it all. Yeah, it's it's when you

1123
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: walk into this beautiful space on Fifth and Broadway, Nashville

1124
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: City downtown. You see instruments when you first walked through

1125
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: the door, and some other great artifacts wardrobe from some

1126
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,479
Speaker 1: of your favorite artists. But then you actually the tour

1127
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: starts um in our Roots Theater, where we kind of

1128
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: show you a ten minute movie on just the origin

1129
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: of black music and its evolution over the years. You

1130
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: immediately exit the the Roots Theater and the first gallery

1131
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: that you enter is the Wade in the Water Gallery,

1132
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: which is our gospel gallery. Uh, it's so super impressive

1133
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: because everyone knows the music started with spirituals at him

1134
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: hymns and gospel music is the foundation of all genres

1135
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: of music. So you started the gospel. Then it goes

1136
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: into the Blues gallery, Uh, then Jazz and I mean

1137
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: just to see some of the artifacts and the awards,

1138
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: remember Bill, you're from, some of your favorites. And then

1139
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: you go into the One Nation Under Good, which is

1140
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: our R and B Gallery, which is probably one of

1141
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: my favorite galleries, and just seeing everything from history about

1142
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: Motown records and stacks and Billy International I means, so

1143
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: much history, but also you'll see some of your favorites,

1144
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, like your your Mary J. Blige and Erica

1145
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: Bado was highlighted in there. So it's I mean, it

1146
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: takes you on a musical journey, um. But also you

1147
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: have these great interactive experiences within each gallery, so you

1148
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: can actually on your wristband that you have on against

1149
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: the museum, you can naturally add you know, playlists from

1150
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: some of the favorite artists that you may discover in

1151
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: the museum. And you know, there's an interactive in the

1152
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: Gospel gallery where Dr Bobby Jones and you can sing

1153
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: in the virtual choir. But in the R and B gallery,

1154
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: you can have a dance off, uh, you know, to

1155
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: some of your favorite music. And then the museum concludes

1156
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: with our hip hop gallery, which is really one of

1157
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: my favorites as well, because I mean, you can you

1158
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: can actually record a freestyle, you can make a bet

1159
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: in there. Uh, you can rhyme too, some of your

1160
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: favorite songs. And again at all those are your wristband

1161
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: that you get to save as a you know, kind

1162
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: of a souvenir. Electronically everything is sent to you. But

1163
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: so much history in there, again covering you know, gospel, blues, jazz,

1164
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: R and B, and hip hop. So it's super impressive,

1165
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: all fifties six thousand square feet of just excellence in

1166
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: history and musical bliss. The fact that you started with

1167
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: gospel and with hip hop, you know, I think it's

1168
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: a it's a phenomenal. And then I see, and this

1169
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: just fanning the whole conversation to see how blacks have

1170
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: finally been recognized in country and western country music, I

1171
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: should say country music, it's been We're finally getting recognized.

1172
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: We're not a fluke. And so I'm not saying that

1173
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: we including that I'm just saying that we finally started

1174
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: to get recognition about our contribution the Eacht genre. But

1175
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: we're putting that order together. There had to be some

1176
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: heated debate in the room. Do we start with gospel?

1177
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: Did we end with hip hop? Did we do jazz?

1178
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: Did we do R and B? Come on, come on,

1179
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: tell me about that room before we go, because you know,

1180
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: come on, now, come on hip hop. I know some

1181
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: people saying hip hop they can't because they can't say

1182
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: that him word. I know. It was some debate for

1183
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: them oldies when they can't hip hop. It was. There

1184
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: was some spirited discussions, and I was a part of

1185
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: them because I raised some of those questions. But I

1186
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, but I gotta celetate this time to

1187
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: celebrate the amazing historians. It was about a dozen, about

1188
01:01:55,880 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen historians and ethno musicologists that worked really, really

1189
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: hard Rashaan on the storyline for the museum, and you

1190
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: had to start with the gospel. That's where it started.

1191
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: So musically, I mean, but they did. This is you're

1192
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: talking about years upon years of research and you have

1193
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: some of the best and the brightest that just know

1194
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: about music and so but you can't. But you know,

1195
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: we gotta acknowledge where it started gospel, and we also

1196
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: got to acknowledge where it is now hip hop. And

1197
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: I will tell you country, you know. I know they're

1198
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: working on some special exhibits and there's been a number

1199
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: of country artists. You know, Darius Rucker is one of

1200
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: our national chairs. You know, Kane Brown actually celebrated at

1201
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: the opening, uh soft opening during MLK weekend and Willie Jones.

1202
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: So again, country is very much part of the storyline,

1203
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: and we're doing more to expand it because we need

1204
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: to make sure the country as well as rock and

1205
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: roll me a little retards. And I mean, you know

1206
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: so many people that you know represented throughout the museum.

1207
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: I really can't wait for you to see next week.

1208
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: So you coming come on. So, so where did you

1209
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: go to college that man? To get all this college? Man?

1210
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: What school did you go to? Norfolk U? Going on?

1211
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: Now see proud graduate. This is the whole thing. I'm

1212
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: going through the resume and many times I interviewed you,

1213
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: I've never know said it's born from Norfolk State HPCU

1214
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: and we never talked about that on the during the

1215
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: end of you Now you know, you know, and that's

1216
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: my home, that's home for me. Norfolk is home, so

1217
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: d A is home. I was actually I was hanging

1218
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: with Ms. Elliott the other day in Atlanta. We were

1219
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: catching up at dinner and we were just talking about

1220
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: how grateful we are to be from Virginia. Just we

1221
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: learned so much forget Norfolk State and the whole degreen

1222
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: ain't gold. Come on, before we last thing, I want

1223
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: you to talk about the values of attending to HBCU

1224
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: and high has made you the person you are today.

1225
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: Feel Thorn tell us about being attending inn HBCU one

1226
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: of the absolute best experiences in my life. I will

1227
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: I will never. I don't regret. It was one of

1228
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: my dreams. As a child. I used to watch a

1229
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: Different World and my mom allowed, you know, allowed me

1230
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: to watch School Days. So after watching both Different World

1231
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: School Day, I was like football and the experience is

1232
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: like no other. The community, uh just whether it's just

1233
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: students or even your professors, but the party and I

1234
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: was also great. The football game, the football basketball game,

1235
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: the tailgate, the fraternities and the sorority shout out to

1236
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: the noops. You know what I mean. Springing two thousands,

1237
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's that's what it is.

1238
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: Got outside I'm gonna do that. But but but it

1239
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: was no, it was the best, one of the best experiences.

1240
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: I learned so much. I've met some amazing people that

1241
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm still in contact with to this day. But it

1242
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: was just and just it felt like such a like

1243
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: I didn't want to leave. I know I had to leave,

1244
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: but it's just like I really didn't want to because

1245
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: of the community and just the bond. I mean, Pharrell Williams.

1246
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: Pharrell used to come to Norfolk State to hang out

1247
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: with me on the yard because he was just and

1248
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: all just the whole college lifestyle. Said you should have

1249
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: wrote here. But he used to come and hang out

1250
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: with me. And when I used to do college radio,

1251
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: we'd hang out and just the student union because it

1252
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: was just such a great energy and it was positive

1253
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: and you know, I just love it. Man, thank you

1254
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: as always when you come on my show Field Thorn,

1255
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, I just had to, I said, Man, I've

1256
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: been It's boy been on my show three times. We

1257
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: hadn't brought in his HBCU experience. We got to knocking

1258
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: out because it's because you know, black music Mark coming up.

1259
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: He about to be board member. You know, we gotta

1260
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: know why your blacks come from. Now we know, Phil Thorn,

1261
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on money making conversation. Brother than

1262
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: you look at your children's eyes to see the true

1263
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: magic of a forest. It's a storybook world for them.

1264
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: You look and see a tree, They see the wrinkled

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Speaker 1: Making Conversations with your host Rashan McDonald. My next guest

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Speaker 1: is what I like to call an industry decision maker.

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Speaker 1: She's a good she changes the game. My name is

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Speaker 1: Dr Don Brown. Dr Don Brown is a double Board

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Speaker 1: certified Child, adolescent, adult and sports psychiatrist. That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Let me see that one with that. Brown is a

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Speaker 1: double board certified child, adolescent, adult, and sports psychiatrist. Reason

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Speaker 1: I bringing up because my daughter, she was a tennis

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Speaker 1: prodigy of sixteen, and I know that we had to

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Speaker 1: use a person like this services because when you get

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Speaker 1: into sports, you question yourself a lot and then you

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Speaker 1: can be you know, an injury you can come into play.

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Speaker 1: And so it's a lot of things that's physical and

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Speaker 1: many the many mental aspects of that athleticism and also

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Speaker 1: in everyday life that comes into play. She's also a

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Speaker 1: pioneer of the mental health movement and then nationally recognize

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Speaker 1: two time number one best selling author Forbes. Right there,

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Speaker 1: a d h D coach, mental health expert, and public speaker.

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Speaker 1: We're going to discuss with Dr Brown why she chose

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Speaker 1: psychiatry as our specialty, how to prioritize your health and

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Speaker 1: the stigma regarding mental health. That's a big one right there.

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Speaker 1: You know this money main conversation, you know how to

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Speaker 1: bring that up? Please, working to money, make conversations. She's

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Speaker 1: living in Houston, straight out of Michigan. Dr Don Brown,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing? Dr Brown? Mr Sean, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Thank you for well. First of all,

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Speaker 1: you look fair task got that got money green on?

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Speaker 1: You got money green on. Now I'd said it a

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Speaker 1: little bit earlier, Flip Michigan. We know what's going on

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Speaker 1: up there now, just not the story about trying to

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Speaker 1: get find out what's going on with the drinking water.

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Speaker 1: But it is a part of your past and part

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Speaker 1: of your life, because I'm sure your relatives still in

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Speaker 1: up there. Now. You're in Houston, Texas, and we just

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Speaker 1: came off that freeze storm to basically shut down the

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Speaker 1: state of Texas, and and saw how they weren't prepared

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Speaker 1: and what we call a state that supposed to how

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Speaker 1: they act together. That's the state of Texas. And we're

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Speaker 1: still dealing with the consequences of that freeze that really

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Speaker 1: caused the loss of a lot of lives, and that's important.

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Speaker 1: So when you're dealing with that, that's all the reason

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Speaker 1: I bring this up is that those situations calls mental stress.

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Speaker 1: The flip mission that you Michigan situation where people are

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Speaker 1: drinking water that they have the word if that water

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Speaker 1: is gonna cause a deformity and a childbirthing situation or

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Speaker 1: cut short their life where their children grow up, where

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Speaker 1: they affect their brain or they grow they or their

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Speaker 1: growth patterns. That's Flint Michigan. Then you deal with the

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Speaker 1: free situation that happened in Texas and people are still

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Speaker 1: trying to recover from the mental I guess I want

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Speaker 1: to say effect of trust. Will it happened again? Will

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Speaker 1: I be prepared to happen? With that? Talk about the

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Speaker 1: whole mental makeup of people in general when stress comes

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Speaker 1: into their life. It's a very interesting question you bring up,

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Speaker 1: and even to mention Hurricane Harvey in there as well,

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Speaker 1: writing the comparisons. You know, trauma can be a blessing

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Speaker 1: and a curse. It's actually a silver alignment trauma. And

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Speaker 1: how I say that is because it's obvious the curse, right,

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Speaker 1: the traumatic experience that people can experience with how traumatizing

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Speaker 1: the situation and condition experience could be for someone, How

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Speaker 1: that affects the mentality, the iff's, their emotional health, and

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Speaker 1: even their physical health. And then just like you're saying

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Speaker 1: their trust factor, you know what's gonna happen next? Is

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Speaker 1: the bottom gonna drop out again? I cannot be happy

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Speaker 1: because I know something bad is going to happen. But

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Speaker 1: then it's it's the blessing many people. Have you been

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Speaker 1: motivated by trauma? You know, the determination, the diligence, the drive,

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Speaker 1: the resilience of trauma, right, and so wanting to motivate

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Speaker 1: yourself out of a situation, find the tools and the

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Speaker 1: keys necessary to do so, and never stop getting up so,

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Speaker 1: But but then the baggage is still there and if

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Speaker 1: you don't address, if you don't deal with it, it

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Speaker 1: can actually affect your mental health particularly and leave a

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Speaker 1: lot of starters. Well, let's talk about the mental health

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Speaker 1: from a standpoint of just day to day living. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the minority community and what we all know

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Speaker 1: in the minority community kind of shuns from showing weaknesses.

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Speaker 1: And some people feel that if you admit that you

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Speaker 1: have a mental illness, then you are weak, that you

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Speaker 1: are shown that flaw, a flaw that can that can

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Speaker 1: have people measure you based on your credibility, your sustainability

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Speaker 1: as far as what you can do with your life. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's let's backtrack a little bit about the minority community

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Speaker 1: in Houston, Texas. I'm just using the Houston, Texas as

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Speaker 1: an example because I forgot about Hurricane Harvey, and twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: Hyricane Harvey happens to twity devastated the city of Houston.

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Speaker 1: That's minorities. Who would affected the most minorities. Then you

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Speaker 1: move forward into and COVID hit on top of devastated

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Speaker 1: the minority community. Okay, Then the George Floyd situation came out,

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Speaker 1: riding on social and civil unrest. Still on top of that,

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Speaker 1: you were dealing with COVID nineteen. How do you deal

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Speaker 1: with that? No vaccination? Then we moved into Texas. Then

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Speaker 1: we did there. Still on top of that, no vaccination.

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Speaker 1: Yet the big Texas freeze hit. Who did it affect

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Speaker 1: the most minorities? Okay, now we're coming out. We have

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Speaker 1: a vaccination set up when we can get vaccinated, and

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Speaker 1: minorities are one of the slowest group that want to

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Speaker 1: get vaccinated. So that's what the trust comes in. But

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Speaker 1: there's also distress because not jobs are saying if you

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Speaker 1: don't get vaccinated, you may not have a job. Here anymore.

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Speaker 1: Dr Brown, the floor is yours now. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: so much to unpack there, right, because historically mental health,

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Speaker 1: physical health, just medical and general medical health has not

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Speaker 1: done people of color due diligence, has not been cuified. Right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is an actual industry that has actually

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Speaker 1: been targeted towards people of color. Haven't been there, mistreated, um,

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Speaker 1: not treated, not diagnosed properly. I mean, I can go

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01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 1: on and on, and when you talk about mental health,

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01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: all of those factors play a role in it's few

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Speaker 1: of us. The lack of access, the lack of education

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Speaker 1: coming from people like me that look like people who

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Speaker 1: want to hear information, who want help but just don't

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Speaker 1: know who to trust, where to go to if they

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01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: have the financial need or the financial reasons of being

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Speaker 1: able to go. Um. I mean, it's just so much, right,

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Speaker 1: and so what we try to do is we try

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Speaker 1: to just start it one step at a time. Um,

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Speaker 1: when you have insult after insult, um that you're saying

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Speaker 1: rashan from you know, things outside of our control such

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Speaker 1: as weather patterns and you know the traumatic effects of

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Speaker 1: Harvey in Houston, and then like you're saying the power

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Speaker 1: outas the water outage here in Houston, and then you're

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Speaker 1: talking about um COVID nineteen and you're talking about people

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Speaker 1: like look like me that are you know, brutalized and

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01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 1: murdered in the street protests going on. I mean, it's

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01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 1: insult after insults. So what happens to our emotional health?

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01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 1: Traumatized and it's hard and if we don't do something

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01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: about that, then it could be actually jeopardizing and very

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Speaker 1: dangerous because those scars don't heal, they don't heal at

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Speaker 1: all unless you address them. You know, you can have

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Speaker 1: a physical wound and you can actually see how the

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Speaker 1: wound is is how the skin, which is the largest

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Speaker 1: organ oured system, can actually do miraculous things. And just

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Speaker 1: covering up that scar, you may have something to remind

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Speaker 1: you of that scar, but it's not a wound that's open,

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01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 1: it's cut, that's not you know, vicious. But you're talking

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Speaker 1: about emotional health is something completely different, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of the scars actually can become generational, It can actually

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Speaker 1: be triggering and actually can come up in different situations

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Speaker 1: where you're not even thinking about it subconsciously. So, yes,

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Speaker 1: if emotional health is just as equally as important, as

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Speaker 1: physical health and in our community people of color, we

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Speaker 1: definitely have to talk about well, let's talk about that

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Speaker 1: because I really like that analogy of the open scar

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Speaker 1: a wound that doesn't heal, because let's talk about that

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Speaker 1: for missing, because that's what happens. From the mental lass,

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Speaker 1: we can't see it, so it cannot be acknowledged as

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Speaker 1: a problem to the every day viewer or the every

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Speaker 1: day five you came in if you if I came

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Speaker 1: into the house and my daughter came into the house

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Speaker 1: and her knee was scarred, we go, what's wrong, Let's

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Speaker 1: fix that. We put some salve on his some alcohol

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Speaker 1: shild screams. I got it now though didn't put the

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Speaker 1: band aids on. Then all of a sudden, we will

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Speaker 1: watch it, make sure it doesn't get infected, and then

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Speaker 1: when it's when it's when it's repaired fully, then we're

1474
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: comfortable again. Now from a mental aspect, we don't see that.

1475
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: So if we did come in here and we saw

1476
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: a wound on the side of your head and that's

1477
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: signified that you were having mental stress, then we will

1478
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: know what to do. And guess what we would do,

1479
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: Dr Brown, We will want to fix that problem but

1480
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: when it's mental, then all of a sudden, you know,

1481
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: a lot of terms he crazy, he don't have good sense,

1482
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: a lot of terms that I've heard in my neighborhood

1483
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: where you know, that's don't don't, don't go, that's to him,

1484
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 1: that's the crazy to do it in the corner, you know,

1485
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: walk pack, walk fast past him, because it was always

1486
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: deemed that body who was not who is mentally stressed,

1487
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: was a person that you should stay away from in

1488
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: the minority community. Am I right or wrong? No, You're

1489
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: exactly a hundred percent right. I mean a band aid

1490
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:14,799
Speaker 1: is to cover up a wound, just like a smile.

1491
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: That's cut up depression. Right. But again there's a historical

1492
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: analogy here. We were taught not to show emotions, right,

1493
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: think about slavery. If you showed a bigger emotion, then

1494
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: you were actually beaten, bruised, victimized, shunned all of those things, right,

1495
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: And so we had to be strong um in order

1496
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: to survive that time period, in order to make it

1497
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 1: to another day, in order to be okay. But again,

1498
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 1: historically we were taught to do that, and that's become

1499
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: generational part of the generational First, if you will that. Nowadays,

1500
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: we still many of us don't show that emotion, right,

1501
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: And it's taught that if this is a sign of weakness,

1502
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 1: just like as a slave, it's a signing weakness. You're

1503
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: not good enough, you're not built well enough, all these

1504
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: type of things. But I often tell my people of color, hey,

1505
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: you don't have to do that anymore. That is back then,

1506
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: This is now. You have me to hear, to support you,

1507
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: your family that loves you, hear the other support systems,

1508
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: and it's okay. It's okay not to have to smile

1509
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: all the time. It's okay to cry. It's God's tears.

1510
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: Let you say, hey, I need an emotional release because

1511
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm human. And back then we weren't considered human, considered animals,

1512
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: we were considered victims, we were considered all these things

1513
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: that we couldn't actually express ourselves. And part of that

1514
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: mentality is still again a part of today's society, especially

1515
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 1: in people with color. But again even if we encourage

1516
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 1: for people like me to encourage our people, yet and

1517
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: still in different environments, atmosphere, work, whatever social circles, that

1518
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: mentality still exists. We know, it's really interesting just hearing

1519
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: you talk said, you know they you know, I hear

1520
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: the words counsel, council, culture, which I can't stand. Are

1521
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: he worries about? You know, why do we have to

1522
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 1: worry bout chance transgender? Why do you have to worry

1523
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 1: about the issue. Why all these people coming out of

1524
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,919
Speaker 1: the closets, why why why? Because they have been afraid,

1525
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 1: They have been afraid to live a life. So now

1526
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: we're the mental health We are afraid, and we're trying

1527
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 1: to erode or remove the barriers of fear. It's all

1528
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 1: right to say you are depressed. It's all right to

1529
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: say that you that you don't feel good, and and

1530
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 1: that you you're stressing, and that you this is you,

1531
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: you reach your moment. You need time for yourself. It's

1532
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: all right to take vacation away from your world. And

1533
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: so I say that because when I talk, when I'm

1534
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,839
Speaker 1: talking to you, Dr Brown, take this stuff very personal

1535
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 1: because of the fact that people can criticize, and people

1536
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,759
Speaker 1: don't know the power of criticism and really can stop

1537
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people from seeking help. And am I

1538
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: am I correct what I'm saying that yes you are.

1539
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: It is because not only do you have to consider

1540
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:14,560
Speaker 1: the criticism that comes externally, but how internally as well?

1541
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: Right well, criticize ourselves, you know, and that's important. So

1542
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: so because I you know, I said, we have allowed

1543
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: to talk about it, but I want to just talk

1544
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,719
Speaker 1: about that little portion. But I want to talk about

1545
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: the mental health athletics athletic centers that you have and

1546
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 1: the services that they offer. And why was it important

1547
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: to you know, wrap put the word athletic and health

1548
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 1: together and maybe they understand it's all has always been one.

1549
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,600
Speaker 1: You know, I don't care if you Venus Williams or

1550
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 1: if you're Tom Brady. There is a psychology, there's a

1551
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: mental ability. There's been known that that the reason Serena

1552
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: Williams has not one her gram Sleer record because she

1553
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 1: stresses out too much in the finals. And you said,

1554
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 1: Serena Willims, yes, yes, stress and mental breakdowns have cost

1555
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: her from achieving her dream of winning all the last

1556
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: few Grand Slams that she's been in. And so even

1557
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: at that high level, how did you come in with

1558
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: these clinics that you created a combined health and athletics

1559
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: That reason right there you mentioned the mission. You know,

1560
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 1: I want athletes to understand that they're human, just who

1561
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: happen to have athletic abilities, so we recognize them as

1562
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 1: human first. And a lot of times when they were younger,

1563
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, they were identified as athletes. So many of

1564
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: them don't even understand who they are. You know, they're

1565
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 1: trying to find your identity through it all, through their journey,

1566
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: and oftentimes that comes too late during retirement, and that's

1567
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: where we see a lot of mental health conditions as

1568
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 1: well that may come up. But when you talk about

1569
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 1: an active athlete who is injured, who actually is trying

1570
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 1: to top last year's numbers, who is going for the

1571
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:01,480
Speaker 1: three p I mean all of these pressure mental conditioning

1572
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 1: cannot deal with. I mean they have mental health issues

1573
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 1: just like us. Actually, in a matter of fact, more

1574
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: of them have mental health issues than the general population.

1575
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 1: So I thought it was critical too so they can

1576
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 1: understand that, Hey, I see you, you're human first. As

1577
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: a recognized psychiatrist, I'm here this issue. All of you

1578
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: may not need medicine. All of you may just need

1579
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 1: a listening ear. How about just wanting to hear what

1580
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 1: you want in life? Right? Wanting to understand what happened

1581
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: to last night's game that the interview didn't address. There

1582
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: are criticizing you before you were able to even you know,

1583
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: process what's happened. So you know, it could be as

1584
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: little as that or as big as an issue as

1585
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: having a family history of trauma that got them out

1586
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 1: of the neighborhood to go pro That was a part

1587
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: of their journey, right, So I wanted something that it

1588
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 1: can be all inclusive, that UM athletes can take advantage

1589
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: of and working with someone like me, and that is trust.

1590
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 1: You know that they can trust. So you were there

1591
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 1: for them. So why did you I hear what you know,

1592
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 1: just the journey we were talking about now, but earlier

1593
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: when we came out of high school we started going

1594
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: into college. What led you to this field? What led

1595
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: you this range of study? Why it came to me?

1596
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: Rashaan Um? I actually um recently. I graduated from my

1597
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,639
Speaker 1: child Fellowship program at Baylor, and I was in private

1598
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: practice for about two too and a half years and

1599
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 1: a Houston Rocket player came to see me in my

1600
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 1: private practice and here his wife came and he was

1601
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: experiencing anxiety. He didn't know what the terminology was at

1602
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 1: the time, but he actually said, I'm just I'm short

1603
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,839
Speaker 1: of air, like I'm short of Brett, I can't breathe,

1604
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 1: and these are the conditions that lead to me not

1605
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 1: being able to breathe. And so he was describing some

1606
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 1: of these instances and we actually came up with the

1607
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: terminology that identified him having pastic attacks underneath the umbrella

1608
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: of having an anxiety disorder. And so that's how it started.

1609
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 1: And you know this, their schools are so small, right,

1610
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 1: I mean, nowadays do you have different professional associations um

1611
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: that are gun Hole for mental health, nontal awareness and

1612
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm loving these initiatives that are now out. But back then,

1613
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: even just six years ago, it was difficult for him

1614
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 1: to come to me. He came with his wife his

1615
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: experiences for four or five years. It affected his game.

1616
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 1: It affected his game to the point he's not even

1617
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:29,799
Speaker 1: playing anymore. He could very well be playing, right. Um.

1618
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 1: So yes, that's how it says. You know, the thing

1619
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 1: about it first of all, when we're talking about mental

1620
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:38,600
Speaker 1: health and uh, because I people always say how do

1621
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 1: you juggle so much? Because it's levels of stress, you know.

1622
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 1: And I also know how to walk away, you know,

1623
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 1: like I watched TV. You know, you know you asked

1624
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:51,759
Speaker 1: me on Netflix. I watched Netflix. You know I watched Disney,

1625
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: you know I watch sports. So what I'm telling everybody

1626
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 1: is that what helps you is what walks you away

1627
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 1: from the stress. And I remember when I bought the

1628
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: house in Atlanta and I told my wife, I said,

1629
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: I gotta be near water, as she said, she said why,

1630
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: I said, because I need to be able to walk

1631
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: out there and just see something simple. And and I

1632
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 1: remember we was I'm just telling everybody and jo just

1633
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: listen to how ideal would stress. And because they're they're

1634
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 1: they're little tricks to it, and their tricks that you

1635
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,560
Speaker 1: can do yourself. But what I try to do myself

1636
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 1: is that I try to make sure that every day

1637
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: looks different. In other words, we was in a high

1638
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: rise dr Brown and I started noticing that the tree

1639
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,599
Speaker 1: tops look the same every day. And I told Mark,

1640
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 1: we can't stay here. She said, what I said, it

1641
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 1: looks the same. I said, I gotta have something that

1642
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: triggers my mind to be creative into another journey. And

1643
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 1: so she said, okay, she's that's their prison. Now it

1644
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 1: looks same every day. Say I got trees like trees

1645
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 1: I used to account them. Okay, and so so what

1646
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: happens I think in a lot of things, and I'm

1647
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 1: talking to a professional and I'm talking to you. Is

1648
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: that how I deal with that and being able to

1649
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: deal with stress, deal with the inside, to deal with depression.

1650
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: I tried to take myself in something normal. That's when

1651
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 1: I say normal, Go to the park, you know, go fishing,

1652
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 1: do normal things that are breaking the cycle create a

1653
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: different conversation. And with people stress, they're stressing because they're

1654
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: not breaking the norm. This is just Rashan McDonald's way

1655
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 1: of thinking about it. I just want to know, have

1656
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 1: I been on the right path all these years? Can

1657
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: you help me? Your doctor, listen? Can you be out

1658
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 1: this curiously curious cycle of you To even bring that up?

1659
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 1: Because it's about taking a break from that has been

1660
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,879
Speaker 1: my complete message to people. Um, you gotta take breaks

1661
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 1: and then you have to take a lot of them.

1662
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 1: Similar to you, Rashan, I actually relocated to another part

1663
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: of Houston because my primary goal was to have a

1664
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 1: view of the city gent Michigan. I wanted a view

1665
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: of the same need because that's what helps, you know,

1666
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,679
Speaker 1: just really bring me back to reality. But I'm hearing

1667
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 1: different stories, traumatic story situations, people's anxieties, depression. It's easy

1668
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:12,680
Speaker 1: for me to take that on. So I have to

1669
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 1: take a break and having a view was very important

1670
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 1: and so that's help determine where I am and that

1671
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 1: has been a lifesaver for me. But you have to

1672
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 1: find something that's allowing you to break away from routine,

1673
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: from stress. Vacations are important. You've gotta schedule them like

1674
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 1: your schedule me even even your daily breaks. Even the

1675
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 1: prize will show how many people don't even break during

1676
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: the day, you know. That's that's why I was important

1677
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 1: when I when I schedule this interview because of the

1678
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 1: fact that when you're starting a business, stress, when you're

1679
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 1: starting a relationship, stress, when you're having children, stress, when

1680
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: you're doing a job. You know different. That's why I

1681
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Speaker 1: had to mention about especially in Houston market. We can

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Speaker 1: go to different parts of the country. You can do

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Speaker 1: the stress that came in a state of Georgia when

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Speaker 1: President Trump and was down here saying that the voting

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Speaker 1: was was illegal, that they were cheating. You had the

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Speaker 1: Republican stress, you had a Democrats stress, and then you

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Speaker 1: had then you had the Black Lives Matter movement running around.

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01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: They were being called thugs, being called a terrorist group.

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Speaker 1: That level of stress your profession, I would have to

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Speaker 1: believe it's understressed too, because so many people are coming

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Speaker 1: to you for so many new answers. Dr Brown. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're in a pandemic as well. Mental health is in

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01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 1: its own pandemic. The good thing about is whatever shan

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01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 1: is that people are coming to get help, and technology

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01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 1: has been a huge king um in creating that access

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01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: for many people who formerly didn't have access, who didn't

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01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 1: want to come to a place to get help. The

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Speaker 1: screen these stigma is a part of that. The stigmatized

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01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 1: as an experience from people where they're in the comfort

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01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 1: of their homes talking about something that's triggering and they're

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01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,839
Speaker 1: able to communicate that through a screen has been helpful.

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01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 1: Insurance companies have gotten on board to provide coverage for

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Speaker 1: Telly psychiatry so that people can get help. E A

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Speaker 1: p S are on board to be able to allow

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Speaker 1: therapy sessions for their employees who have been at home

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01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 1: over a year and a half. So people are understanding

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01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 1: this mental health movement. Now, they understand how important mental

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01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: health is and it is amazing to see that. But

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01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 1: we're still in the pandemic and we're gonna be in

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01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: this for quite some time. So you know, yes, threat everywhere.

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01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 1: It's a part of our normalcy, our normal day life.

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01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 1: But we have to understand that, hey, there is help

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01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 1: out there in order for you to help manage that

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01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 1: while you're dealing with it as well. Well, you know,

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01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 1: the help is first of all, have to be acknowledged

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01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 1: by youth, you know. I you know, like I said,

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01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: I've acknowledged the fact that I need, I need. I

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01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 1: need to see things, movements and things like that. That relaxed.

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01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 1: That's my triggers. And that's that's a popular word you're here,

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01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 1: especially when you talk about mental health. What are your triggers,

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01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 1: whether what are the bad triggers or what are the

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01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 1: good triggers. The good triggers for me is that I

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01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 1: gotta be so I gotta see change all the time.

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01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 1: I gotta be. And I'm not talking about I gotta

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01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: hear loud music, I gotta go to a party, I

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01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,560
Speaker 1: gotta drink, I gotta be the life of that. And

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01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 1: I'm stepping out of my own being to know I'm

1728
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 1: talking about I go down to my little late I

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01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 1: sit down and I watched the fish and it relaxes me,

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01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:35,640
Speaker 1: and if and then and it takes me down a

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01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 1: little bit where I can't see any streets. I can

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01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: see part of my house. So I'm almost in my

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01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 1: little world. And so and it's kind of like that

1734
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 1: been that way for me, you know, my whole life though,

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01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: Dr Bro, I've I've I've unconsciously figured out positive triggers

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01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 1: for me. You know, in New York, a lot of

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01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: people I can't stand those crowds. I love the crowds.

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01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 1: But then you come to my My place is spacious,

1739
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, and so I'm so I don't care that

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01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:05,719
Speaker 1: crowded environment of the streets into my home environment. Hey hey,

1741
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 1: I got these walls too close. Okay. So so it's

1742
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 1: really about some of the decisions. But the bigger thing

1743
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 1: I'll take away in this conversation and why you're so important,

1744
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 1: is that there's so many people who have not found

1745
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 1: the positive triggers. And that's why you are so important

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01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 1: to talk to us about that. Hey man, hey man,

1747
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 1: I have an a dh D mind. I mean I

1748
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 1: have a d h D and the MP with a

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01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 1: d h D if you will, and so, like you,

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01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 1: I love the noise, the action, the stimuli because it

1751
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 1: allows me to be moving with it right. I'm motivated

1752
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,719
Speaker 1: by it, I'm driven unproductive. But then there are times

1753
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,440
Speaker 1: when it's just too much for me and it's overstimulating.

1754
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 1: So I have to travel. So my pos of triggers

1755
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:51,680
Speaker 1: international travel. And the reason I say international because it

1756
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 1: gets me out of my comfort zone. I go alone.

1757
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 1: I want to learn about different cultures that I don't

1758
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 1: know anything about, meeting new people, so it's a lot

1759
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 1: of newness that allows me to be in a very calming,

1760
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 1: right type of mood and zone. Positive triggers are so important.

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01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up because often times when

1762
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: we talk about triggers, the automatic thought process about that

1763
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:18,599
Speaker 1: is it's negative. But no are positive triggers, and we

1764
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 1: need positive triggers to balance out um our ability to

1765
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 1: manage stress. We need positive triggers to understand when it

1766
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:28,679
Speaker 1: need to know when it's time to take that break,

1767
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:31,680
Speaker 1: when it's time take that vacation, right when it's time

1768
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 1: to go to bed at night. It's not you know,

1769
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: being up at two o'clock in the morning because you

1770
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: always gonna have work to do. I want to take something,

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01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 1: I want to say something, you, Dr Brown, because I'm

1772
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 1: kind of a not a know that you, but a

1773
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 1: know it in this system, you know, like because you

1774
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: know May is you know, mental Health Awareness month. Okay,

1775
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 1: it's not just one month, everybody, okay. And and and

1776
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 1: that gives you a false sense that we're gonna recognize

1777
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: this month. And the problem goes to way it's every day,

1778
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:05,799
Speaker 1: every hour, how you deal with it, how you relate

1779
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 1: to it. And I brought Dr Brown on this show,

1780
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:11,639
Speaker 1: you know, to let you know that she's here for you.

1781
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 1: She's here to to give you a sense of awareness,

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01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 1: a sense of a hope. Uh ear, and when when,

1783
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 1: when that ear is listening to you, she's gonna give

1784
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 1: you answers. And if you if you don't have the answers,

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01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 1: then she's willing to walk you through the steps to

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01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 1: get to that answer. You come and when you come

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01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,640
Speaker 1: to a person like Dr Brown, her centers and and

1788
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 1: what she's trying to do is she's trying to let

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01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 1: you know that it's time to acknowledge there is something wrong.

1790
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 1: She that's the key, right, Dr Brown, that's the key.

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01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 1: And you know, mental health doesn't necessarily just mean um,

1792
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:52,639
Speaker 1: I'm having some little thoughts I'm hearing voices or you know,

1793
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:55,640
Speaker 1: these these the kind of the extreme of it. It

1794
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:58,600
Speaker 1: could be that I'm fatigue, I'm tired, I'm using my

1795
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:02,679
Speaker 1: ear nothing is you know, I'm having thoughts that I'm

1796
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:06,879
Speaker 1: not necessarily worthy. Like mental health shows up for different

1797
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:10,679
Speaker 1: people at different levels of severity. And I love people

1798
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: just think, you know, just like they get physical evaluations

1799
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 1: and physical checks up, checkouts, people check ups. I would

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01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 1: love it people can go to a mentalth professional and

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01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 1: get an annual mental health check up. Wow, how better

1802
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 1: they would be? How better this world would be? Um,

1803
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 1: it just will were normalize. We've gotta normalized mental health

1804
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 1: because it's important. We all experienced mental health. Like, just

1805
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:33,640
Speaker 1: like you said at the beginning of our conversation, we

1806
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 1: all have mental health issues and wellnesses, and so it's

1807
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 1: important for us to take care of it. What level

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01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 1: it is? The thing about it when you talk about fatigue.

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01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 1: I remember one day my wife, I'll get up and

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01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 1: I'll just drive myself to the airport. She one day

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01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 1: she's I drive, you know, I gotta get up earlier.

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01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: And we were we were driving, and she was driving me.

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01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 1: She was looking at me in the passage. She says.

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01:35:56,800 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 1: She said, Wow, we don't you tired? When do you?

1815
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 1: When are you tired? I said, I'm tired right now.

1816
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 1: I said, but what I've learned and I've created triggers

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01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 1: to to be able to mask that, okay. And I said,

1818
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 1: that's not a good thing too, to mask fatigue. And

1819
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 1: so when you when you're doing things, mask is a

1820
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 1: dangerous term in the mental and physical awareness because you

1821
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:28,919
Speaker 1: can mask fatigue and it can lead to other issues.

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01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 1: That's why you have to know your body. In this case,

1823
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 1: you have to know your mind. And and I'm not

1824
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 1: saying I'm a specialist. I'm just bringing you on the show.

1825
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 1: You are especially and believe me, you got to come

1826
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:41,720
Speaker 1: back on my show. I could be talking to you

1827
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 1: for another hour because you and I, first of all,

1828
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 1: we're connecting. But I think you understand how I think.

1829
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 1: And I have a lot of natural awareness, and but

1830
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 1: you have the technical awareness. Because I can't teach anybody

1831
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:58,520
Speaker 1: what I know. It's it's just something I've designed for myself.

1832
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 1: But you can't teach individuals and get him to walk

1833
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 1: the path of lightness, you know, come out of the light.

1834
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 1: And because mental health is darkness. If you live in

1835
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:11,720
Speaker 1: you live in mental health. That light is not on

1836
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 1: in that room. It's not on, and you can help them.

1837
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about in the website

1838
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Speaker 1: so we can get that out there, so we can

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Speaker 1: just start. You know you, you, you're my one. You Texas, Texas, Texas,

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Speaker 1: the High, the High Thights. Let's walk us out of here. Rishan.

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Speaker 1: You know that's why I really appreciate and respect your platform.

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Speaker 1: I listened to you all the time, and I love

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Speaker 1: sharing your personal experiences so people can connect with you.

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Speaker 1: That's why we connect so well. Because you're a realist.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be an expert to understand how

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Speaker 1: So thank you for having me. Um. You can find

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Speaker 1: making conversations. Minute of Inspiration with Rushan McDonald, Lenny Love

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Speaker 1: Lonnie worked as an engineer for IBM and other companies

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Speaker 1: I just think everybody should tell their journey, and especially

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Money Making Conversations with your host, Rashaan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: My next guest is Todd Jones. He has been in

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Speaker 1: the donut making game for over forty five years and

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Speaker 1: I'm a donut eating man. He started Cousins does His

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Speaker 1: twenty six years ago. He is a mini donuts shop

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Speaker 1: in downtown Brooklyn, New York, which I have visited and

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Speaker 1: enjoyed eating those donuts because the reason I love it.

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Speaker 1: He makes the donuts right in front of you. You

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Speaker 1: can just see him go rind there, I want that

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Speaker 1: when I want that one. It's really cool. They have

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Speaker 1: different topies like glades, cinnamon sugar, and funnel cake powder.

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Speaker 1: They also have what we're gonna talk about, have fun

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Speaker 1: with donuts for grown ups. Please work on the money

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Speaker 1: making conversations. A good friend of mine out of Brooklyn,

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Speaker 1: New York. Because it's dozen Todd Jones. Are you doing talk?

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Speaker 1: I'm well with how are you today? Because you should

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Speaker 1: be happy? Man. You know you have to selling doughnuts

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Speaker 1: coming out of the pandemic. You look like you're tired. Man,

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Speaker 1: you look like you're tired and selling donors. Come on, Todd,

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Speaker 1: that's not the Todd out though. Now I'm not. I'm

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Speaker 1: not tired now, I'm excited. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: I had to get up this morning four o'clock in

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Speaker 1: the morning to get an order out um to a

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Speaker 1: client that I had, so um, I'm off of making like,

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Speaker 1: uh eighty boxes of donuts this morning. Man. So I'm ready. Man,

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Speaker 1: those little mini doughnuts right, yes, so we say many

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Speaker 1: is a new skinny, but well, I'm looking I had

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Speaker 1: a lot of your skinnies the other day because you

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Speaker 1: because you shipped me like two boxes those little skinny

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Speaker 1: doughnuts and gets what they're tipping though, the mini donors

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Speaker 1: because they're not regular sized so you can just wind

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Speaker 1: yourself eat them like free though with like potato chips. Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the popularity of your many don't understand. Well,

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Speaker 1: we've been in downtown Brooklyn for a number of years now, um,

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Speaker 1: and we started to make the mini donuts down there,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I came up with a new brand of

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Speaker 1: new flavor called Donuts for grown Ups, and uh, right

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Speaker 1: now we're featuring Hennessy, you know. So we say anything

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Speaker 1: is possible, you know. So we we're just some you know,

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Speaker 1: turning out those donorts. Man, we wanna make a franchise

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Speaker 1: out of it. We should be ready by the end

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Speaker 1: of the year. And we actually want to sell the

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Speaker 1: franchise as a woman entrepreneurs because the women are the

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Speaker 1: fastest growing segment of the population that's starting businesses, especially

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Speaker 1: Black women. Now, let's let's talk about you know, because

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Speaker 1: I've interviewed you before, Todd, and actually, you know I

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Speaker 1: said earlier in my interview that I've been to your

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Speaker 1: location in Brooklyn, which is really cool, very busy area

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Speaker 1: in that little mall that you're in. Now. You just

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Speaker 1: didn't just get in the donut game, you know, you

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Speaker 1: just just wake up and say, Hey, I'm gonna just

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Speaker 1: start doing donuts. Like I said, you've been in the

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Speaker 1: donut making game for four and five years. Talk about

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Speaker 1: how how you got in it, and let's walk through

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Speaker 1: those steps as we go through your journey of cousins,

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Speaker 1: of developing cousins, doesn't right? So? Um what? Or six

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Speaker 1: years ago? I got a job at a donuts shop

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Speaker 1: called A Cup and two, which was owned by three

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Speaker 1: African American brothers. It was a unique experience for me

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Speaker 1: because I got to see African American men run businesses

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Speaker 1: and it really intrigued me. And you know, I just

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Speaker 1: have the entrepreneurial bug from there. So I worked with

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Speaker 1: them for about four years and then I went to

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Speaker 1: UH Duncan Donuts, which uh. I stayed there for twenty years.

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Speaker 1: And I can say, and they can say, I was

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Speaker 1: the highest paid baker and Duncan donor history. You know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Shan is making so much dull man. I

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Speaker 1: was driving the BMW man unlike said five donuts man.

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Speaker 1: You know me. So, so when you started first, were

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Speaker 1: you inter baking or that was just a job you

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Speaker 1: took the responsibility on when you started working with the

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Speaker 1: gentleman the African American debate are donut owners donor store?

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Speaker 1: It was a job at first, but then I really

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Speaker 1: begin to like it because of the fact that you know,

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Speaker 1: was shane as as a chef and cook. You know,

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Speaker 1: when somebody takes your stuff and really like it to

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Speaker 1: put a smile on your face. I was seeing a

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Speaker 1: response that people we were having, you know, when I

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Speaker 1: made the donuts, you know, so I was doing it

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Speaker 1: after school and in the summer came I do it

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Speaker 1: during the summer, and it just became a passion man, right,

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Speaker 1: And so the cool thing about it is that, you know,

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Speaker 1: two of my favorite desserts are doughnuts to night cream,

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Speaker 1: you know, and so doughnuts I love. I like, I

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Speaker 1: like the glazed donuts. I like doughnuts with something. I

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Speaker 1: like those cake donuts, you know, I like uh donuts

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Speaker 1: and stuffed. So, so what were you making and what

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Speaker 1: became your favorite donut in the early years, because you

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Speaker 1: said you went with the duncan They do a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff donuts so talk to the steps of what

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Speaker 1: what what is the difference between the cake, the glaze,

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Speaker 1: why the glaze is so popular, and then the and

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Speaker 1: then the and then the evolution of the stuff donut right. Well, well,

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Speaker 1: first and foremost, there's two types of donuts. There's a

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Speaker 1: yeast donut, which is the soft ones, which is the

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Speaker 1: glaze and the jellies, and then there's the cake donor.

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Speaker 1: The difference between the two. With the yeast, it takes

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Speaker 1: more time to make because you gotta let it sit,

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Speaker 1: you gotta let the rise. You're putting yeast in it,

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Speaker 1: you know. The cake donuts, you know, you flour, you know,

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Speaker 1: some water, some other ingredients and you can go right

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Speaker 1: away with the cake donuts and make them right away. Um,

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Speaker 1: But because it doesn't obviously we use the cake donors

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Speaker 1: because you know, it's it's faster, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's a better tasting donor. You know, I like

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Speaker 1: the density UH of a cake donut and the type

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Speaker 1: of uh donors that we have. It's like preparatory with

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Speaker 1: It's like a bunt of milk cake donor. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's where you get that when you want it hits

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Speaker 1: your tongue man, it melts right in your mouth. This

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Speaker 1: is true. This is true. You know now the stuff

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Speaker 1: donut Now, like I'm just talking about the donuts in general,

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Speaker 1: because that's not what you get in you know, and uh,

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Speaker 1: your your locations Cousins doesn't specializes in many donuts. But

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Speaker 1: why donuts. I can tell you why. I just like donuts.

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Speaker 1: But donuts generally are are something that you eat early

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Speaker 1: in the morning or is it a snack? Or am

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Speaker 1: I just assuming that because I get my donuts in

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Speaker 1: the morning. Because a lot of people drink coffee, they

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Speaker 1: tie donuts and coffee together. What is the evolution of

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Speaker 1: the donut? What what tell us about that the donut

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Speaker 1: in this popularity? Well, well, well now it doesn't want

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Speaker 1: from just being a breakfast item to a twenty four

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Speaker 1: hour item, you know. Um, from the evolution of what

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Speaker 1: I'm doing. As far as the donuts for grown ups,

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Speaker 1: that's the alcohol if you donuts, you know. So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: people aren't gonna eat Hennessy donuts in the morning, but

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Speaker 1: you know, you never know, it might eat for lunch

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Speaker 1: for sure, Hennessy donut. I usually tell people at six

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Speaker 1: o'clock somewhere in the world. You know absolutely, so you

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Speaker 1: know another but you have other flavors in Hennessey of

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Speaker 1: Sharrock and you have to other than yeah, yeah we

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Speaker 1: do Strock, do pink for scotto, you know any any

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Speaker 1: type of look I've done do say you know, we've

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Speaker 1: done all types of donuts, man, as far as your

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Speaker 1: imagination can take you. Now, let's when we talk about donuts,

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Speaker 1: you know, because we just came out of COVID and

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Speaker 1: New York was hit the worst. Would shut down? You

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Speaker 1: shut that and I like to think about it is

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Speaker 1: all my friends like you dealing would you know, no

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Speaker 1: customers when they get a p p P, you know,

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Speaker 1: payroll protection plan? A long? So how did you when?

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Speaker 1: When when we got shut down in the first too

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Speaker 1: much walking through that stuff, the anxieties of what's gonna

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Speaker 1: happen at your business? H what? What? Well? For me? Um,

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Speaker 1: I had to do a pivot. And the pivot that

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Speaker 1: came to me straight from God was mail order. Start

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Speaker 1: to do mail order, and I came up with this concept. Well,

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Speaker 1: God gave me the concept do to door and I

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Speaker 1: was shipping doing us all across the country. Sean. It

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Speaker 1: saved me. It saved me, you know, and another idea

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Speaker 1: came to me that instead of doing brick and mortar,

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Speaker 1: do mobile. Mm hmmm, so we're gonna be franchising mobile

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Speaker 1: donor trucks. M you know, I got theme music to

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Speaker 1: go with a tub of shots, like the Mr Softy Man. Man.

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Speaker 1: When you hear this cousin does the song, you know

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Speaker 1: we're on our way man. Well, you know, you know

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Speaker 1: we're growing up. When that ice cream truck came in

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood, I don't care how old you are. I

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Speaker 1: don't care if your mama was spanking, she stops spanking you.

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Speaker 1: Go boy, here's a quarter. Go I think cream and

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Speaker 1: we you come back. Don't be don't be crying out there.

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Speaker 1: Don't no nobody know how to finished banking you. It

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Speaker 1: was like, that's what the old the Oh. The thing

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Speaker 1: I love about your charger is that, first of all,

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Speaker 1: you're you're you're you're a businessman, but you're alls you're

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Speaker 1: passionate about your product. Because even when I was in

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Speaker 1: your store and customers are coming in there, it was

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Speaker 1: almost a relationship that you're creating with your customers as

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Speaker 1: well as the passion that wanted to deliver a product

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Speaker 1: that's gonna put a smile on their face. That that

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Speaker 1: that just really so it's beyond just making franchising and

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Speaker 1: making donuts. It's like a cultural or cultural change for

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Speaker 1: you when people eat your food. For us, it's just

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Speaker 1: not selling donors. It's an experience. We want you to experience.

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Speaker 1: We want you to see the donors, we want you

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Speaker 1: to smell the donors, we want you to taste the donors.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's an experience. Cousins doesn't as an experience,

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Speaker 1: you know, And that's when we're we're creating that the

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Speaker 1: Cousins doesn't store. Now when you when like you said,

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Speaker 1: he said he ships is on uts, it's absolutely he

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Speaker 1: shipped me some donors. He DM me on social media's Richard,

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Speaker 1: you wants to donuts. I gave my email address, I

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Speaker 1: gave my my building. The dress food don't have to

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Speaker 1: ride fresh with three types of toppings, you know, it

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Speaker 1: was it was it was the final cake powder, it

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Speaker 1: was the cinnamon chero and there was the glazy the

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Speaker 1: glazy type of icing as well. And I was able

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01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:28,679
Speaker 1: to put them on all three of them. And now

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01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 1: I like my donors a little a little bit of

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01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:33,800
Speaker 1: room temperature. I stuck it in the oven for like

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01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:38,320
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds, only part of but I put them, plated them,

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01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:40,640
Speaker 1: took a photo of sent it to you with me smiling,

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01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:43,240
Speaker 1: because if you just saw five minutes later the plates

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01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:45,719
Speaker 1: were clean. So I should have done that. I should

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01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:47,720
Speaker 1: I should have showed you to play empty in the

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01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:49,320
Speaker 1: plate food because a lot of people don't think I

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01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 1: eat food. You don't eat them? How can you stay

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01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:54,760
Speaker 1: as skinny as y'all? Hey, don't worry about how I

2107
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 1: stay as skin as I am. What you worry about?

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01:51:57,160 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 1: You sent me some good food. Rashaan is gonna eat

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01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 1: it and give your answers the PA. And like you said,

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01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 1: when I ate the donuts, which is I'm gonna chach

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01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:07,320
Speaker 1: somebody about his cousins. Doesn't donuts because if you, if

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01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:10,000
Speaker 1: you try to watch your weight, don't go there because

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01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,519
Speaker 1: the donors to sneak up on you because they're so

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01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 1: small and so tasty that I ate. I ate fifteen donuts. Yeah,

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01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 1: I fifteen. I won't tell you the truth. I did

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01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:25,960
Speaker 1: eat fifteen donuts. Needs a little mini donuts. And in

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01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:29,000
Speaker 1: my mind I was rationalizing by it was like four

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01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 1: equals one normal size donuts. That's how it was rationalizing.

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01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:38,880
Speaker 1: So I really ate four donuts, Todd. So just the

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01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:42,080
Speaker 1: mantra is when you eat the donuts, Many's new skinny.

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01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:46,960
Speaker 1: Many is a new skinny skins. Well, I'm skinny and

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01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:49,799
Speaker 1: I'm many, and I'm we keep doing so I shouldn't

2123
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:52,200
Speaker 1: be ashamed in my game if I'm even, cause it

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01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:56,800
Speaker 1: doesn't donors like this. I'm taught. So so when we

2125
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:59,799
Speaker 1: when we talk about this, you know, in Brooklyn, Brooklyn's

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01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 1: how I got them and got the Brooklyn Nets. It's

2127
01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:06,720
Speaker 1: a city in itself. You know. Everybody talks about Manhattan.

2128
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 1: Everybody talked about Holler, but really Brooklyn is the new

2129
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 1: city borough. That's an exciting Burro. Tell us about that

2130
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:18,639
Speaker 1: community of Brooklyn. Brooklyn, man It's it's it's a uh

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01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:23,320
Speaker 1: diverse neighborhood. You know, You've got different ethnic groups, different

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01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, financial groups, and you know we were all

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01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:28,920
Speaker 1: in there doing that thing. You know. And with that

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01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:34,200
Speaker 1: being said, uh huh, love Brooklyn because I know that

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01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 1: Spike Lee his office is over there. You know, I

2136
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:39,639
Speaker 1: know the Brooklyn Nets over there. I know high rises

2137
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:42,200
Speaker 1: are being built out there over there in the Brooklyn area,

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01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 1: Brooklyn area, I you know, that whole. It's a large

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01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:49,400
Speaker 1: African American, very diverse population is based in Brooklyn. And

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01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:52,600
Speaker 1: Brooklyn started the hum you know because like growing up

2141
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:55,719
Speaker 1: all you heard about Manhattan, then you heard about Hall

2142
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:59,200
Speaker 1: of Hall of Man not then you heard by Queens.

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01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:03,920
Speaker 1: But Brooklyn, man, Yeah, yeah, Brooklyn is it man. And

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01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:06,559
Speaker 1: I've been in Brookelyn down for about I would say

2145
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 1: about fifteen sixteen years in the community embraces me. You know,

2146
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:16,000
Speaker 1: um when when we went through that gentification situation, I

2147
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 1: survived that, you know, so, I mean, you know Bruler's home.

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01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:22,560
Speaker 1: But but the Sean, I'm I'm announced right here on

2149
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:26,360
Speaker 1: your show. I'll be down back to Georgia. Man, I'm

2150
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:29,760
Speaker 1: coming back down there. Man. Okay, Okay, you're bringing the

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01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:32,280
Speaker 1: Cousins dozens to Georgia. That's what you're saying. Are you

2152
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 1: making an I'm bringing the Cousins dozen down Georgia. I

2153
01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:40,880
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be the first place I uh put

2154
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:44,240
Speaker 1: the food trucks down there, because you guys have a

2155
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:48,600
Speaker 1: very diverse and booming food truck a business and I'm gonna,

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01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, add my flavor to Okay, here's your den say,

2157
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:53,600
Speaker 1: you know you gotta let me know ahead of time,

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01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:55,640
Speaker 1: so I can, like, you know, because because we're gonna

2159
01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:58,040
Speaker 1: treat it like a pop up. It's like a pop

2160
01:54:58,160 --> 01:55:01,840
Speaker 1: up because of the fact that see what I've been

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01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:06,200
Speaker 1: knowing Tird a long time and he's always been uh see.

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01:55:06,200 --> 01:55:08,320
Speaker 1: The reason I like him is that he does what

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01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:11,520
Speaker 1: I always tell young entrepreneurs to do. He reaches out

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01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 1: and then he follows up and he's professional. See a

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01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:17,520
Speaker 1: lot of people when they reach out, if they don't

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01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:21,280
Speaker 1: get a response, they frustrate, they blow it off, and

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01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 1: and so. And when I say that, you can't always

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01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:27,240
Speaker 1: assume that just because somebody they immediately respond back to you,

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01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:31,320
Speaker 1: that there's a negative situation that's developing. Work with their schedule,

2170
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:33,760
Speaker 1: send them samples of what you're trying to get them

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01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:37,720
Speaker 1: to understand. But you always have variety, and he always

2172
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:40,880
Speaker 1: led to your success. Tell everybody about how important it

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01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:44,320
Speaker 1: is for relationships Todd and building out your business and

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01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:47,960
Speaker 1: also franchise in your business, also create a mobile business.

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01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:53,440
Speaker 1: Relationships is the key to cousins doesn't success? Correct? Yes, absolutely,

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01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 1: It's all about relationships with sean Um before anything. People

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01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:01,840
Speaker 1: want to, you know, have great relationships with people. You

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01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:04,680
Speaker 1: know it's not about money so much. It's all about

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01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:07,760
Speaker 1: people in relationships. You get your people in your relationship straight,

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01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:11,640
Speaker 1: you'll be successful. It's definitely be successful. Well, you know,

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01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:14,280
Speaker 1: I want to und percent agree with that. I also

2182
01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:17,200
Speaker 1: agree that you know there are other entrepreneurs out there

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01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:20,640
Speaker 1: that that give your platform. You know, I know that

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01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 1: when I was building out Steve Harvey's career, I looked

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01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:27,120
Speaker 1: at other talents and what they're doing. Denserlve Washington is

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01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:30,760
Speaker 1: doing this, or Berning Max doing this, or Cedric's doing this,

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01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:33,440
Speaker 1: or dal doing this which was in his lane. You know,

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01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:37,200
Speaker 1: Chris Tucker's doing this, or Chris Rocks doing this, just

2189
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:40,600
Speaker 1: to compare what their social media look like, what their

2190
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:43,200
Speaker 1: career platform like look like, and find out what is

2191
01:56:43,240 --> 01:56:46,200
Speaker 1: that lane for Steve Harvey to be successful in. And

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01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:49,640
Speaker 1: so so I'm sure when you're looking at your platform,

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01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:52,800
Speaker 1: and not necessarily you looking at other donut companies, but

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01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:55,920
Speaker 1: what other all your favorite entrepreneurs that you look at

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01:56:56,080 --> 01:56:59,280
Speaker 1: as examples for a model that you can use in

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01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:04,000
Speaker 1: your many don't an empire. Well first and almost Roshan,

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01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:08,640
Speaker 1: I gotta say, quite truthfully, you're one of my my, my, my,

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01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:12,080
Speaker 1: my idols man, you're like the black god father business.

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01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:14,720
Speaker 1: The way that you take care of business, man is phenomenal.

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01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:18,640
Speaker 1: You're an example of what black business should look like.

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01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:23,839
Speaker 1: You know, another one of my favorites. He's not here anymore,

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01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 1: but Reginald Lewis, Yes, the black the black boy. Did

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01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:31,200
Speaker 1: you know he used to own chrispy Creme? Absolutely, it's

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01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:34,920
Speaker 1: conglomerate own chrispy Creme. You know, he's like an idol

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01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:37,480
Speaker 1: of mine. Man. It's like the example of how to

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01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 1: run business, you know, and I'm very fortunate that to

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01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:44,200
Speaker 1: have people like you in my life to to to

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01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, to show me how to do business correctly. Well,

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01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:49,800
Speaker 1: you know the thing about it is that and and

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01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:52,440
Speaker 1: thank you for that compliment because my wife part was saying,

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01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:54,960
Speaker 1: when people compliment you must say thank you. That'll be

2212
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:58,000
Speaker 1: so embarrassed when people compliment me. Then this shows about you.

2213
01:57:58,120 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 1: It shows about your brand and put the word out

2214
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:03,240
Speaker 1: and somebody compliments it always catching in your card. But

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01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:05,720
Speaker 1: I'm also always appreciated of it. But like when you

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01:58:05,800 --> 01:58:08,080
Speaker 1: post a lot of times I just like your posts

2217
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:11,760
Speaker 1: or I comment keep winning, uh looking good, because just

2218
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:13,960
Speaker 1: saying that's not do that a lot Sometimes I just

2219
01:58:13,960 --> 01:58:16,400
Speaker 1: sit in my house or in my office. I just

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01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:18,880
Speaker 1: go through my timeline and just look at people and

2221
01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:22,040
Speaker 1: I just give him. I'll give him a fire, you know,

2222
01:58:22,680 --> 01:58:25,720
Speaker 1: some hand claps or I'm praying for you. So that's

2223
01:58:26,280 --> 01:58:28,920
Speaker 1: that that that does, that level of motivation when you

2224
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:31,680
Speaker 1: see that does how does that make you feel? Man? Oh?

2225
01:58:32,120 --> 01:58:34,320
Speaker 1: But shutting. The very first time you called me when

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01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:36,680
Speaker 1: I was in the Lamber three years ago and I

2227
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:39,040
Speaker 1: knew who you were, you know, I followed you and

2228
01:58:39,120 --> 01:58:40,880
Speaker 1: you hit me up on Facebook and you said to me,

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01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:44,960
Speaker 1: have you ever been on a Steve Harvey show? Almost faded?

2230
01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, and that's how relationship started, you know. Um, yeah,

2231
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:56,840
Speaker 1: it does. Man, motivation, it's great man, people really liking

2232
01:58:56,920 --> 01:58:59,360
Speaker 1: your finally saying great things about you. And that's how

2233
01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:02,040
Speaker 1: I am too. I shot out a lot of people,

2234
01:59:02,040 --> 01:59:04,040
Speaker 1: a lot of other donor shops and a lot of

2235
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:07,680
Speaker 1: other entrepreneurs. I think that's important because whenever you give

2236
01:59:07,720 --> 01:59:10,120
Speaker 1: out comes back to you. Well, you know, the beauty

2237
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:12,600
Speaker 1: of the beauty of your business and the beauty of

2238
01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:15,680
Speaker 1: you and your personality, you know, because you gotta look

2239
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, and it's always about it. That's your brand.

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01:59:18,600 --> 01:59:20,640
Speaker 1: You know when I'm looking at you on TV right now,

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01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:23,840
Speaker 1: this is your brand, which means that you have you

2242
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:27,640
Speaker 1: you learned from being in the corporate world, working for

2243
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:32,560
Speaker 1: small entrepreneurs, working for dunking donors, and then stepping out

2244
01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:35,040
Speaker 1: on you. I want to talk about stepping out on

2245
01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:38,200
Speaker 1: Some people used to worry faith, but I always always

2246
01:59:38,240 --> 01:59:39,760
Speaker 1: tell people when you step out on faith, you better

2247
01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:42,720
Speaker 1: have a plan with that. Okay, So talk about making

2248
01:59:42,760 --> 01:59:46,000
Speaker 1: that transition to believing in yourself from leaving a safe

2249
01:59:46,360 --> 01:59:51,600
Speaker 1: but successful corporate environment. Well, well, first of almost, Sean,

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01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:55,240
Speaker 1: I got to your dad from cousins. Doesn't I always

2251
01:59:55,320 --> 01:59:59,440
Speaker 1: give give uh acknowledgement to God, And I say, all

2252
01:59:59,560 --> 02:00:02,720
Speaker 1: idea has come from God. And if God gives you

2253
02:00:02,760 --> 02:00:05,280
Speaker 1: an idea, God's gonna make sure that it happens. You

2254
02:00:05,400 --> 02:00:09,960
Speaker 1: just have to be persistent. You have to believe in yourself,

2255
02:00:10,040 --> 02:00:12,640
Speaker 1: which is very important, and know what's going to happen,

2256
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, and give thanks for it in a in

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02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:19,840
Speaker 1: advance like it already happened. It's it's a God idea. Well,

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02:00:19,880 --> 02:00:22,080
Speaker 1: you know the thing about it is that I hear

2259
02:00:22,160 --> 02:00:24,840
Speaker 1: that you know. But a lot of people, I want

2260
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:28,200
Speaker 1: to say, put too much faith in God because you

2261
02:00:28,280 --> 02:00:30,040
Speaker 1: gotta work. You gotta get up. And like you said

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02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:32,400
Speaker 1: before him, he was making you was making eighty boxes

2263
02:00:32,440 --> 02:00:35,840
Speaker 1: of donuts, you know, And so God woke you up,

2264
02:00:35,880 --> 02:00:37,920
Speaker 1: But you gotta be work applied to the work, because

2265
02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:39,680
Speaker 1: I always tell you a lot of clock may go off,

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02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:42,160
Speaker 1: but it didn't really wake you up. You know, God

2267
02:00:42,200 --> 02:00:44,400
Speaker 1: woke you up. But when you wake up, what did

2268
02:00:44,440 --> 02:00:46,200
Speaker 1: you do with that effort that he put into you?

2269
02:00:46,640 --> 02:00:50,960
Speaker 1: And that that that tells you you need to get up? Well,

2270
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:54,280
Speaker 1: like they say, faithful that works? Is that? Yes, you know,

2271
02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:56,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna have as much faith as you want. But

2272
02:00:56,600 --> 02:00:58,960
Speaker 1: if you're not working, and and you know a lot

2273
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:00,640
Speaker 1: of people say, you know you gotta work hard, No,

2274
02:01:01,000 --> 02:01:06,800
Speaker 1: just consistently work. It ain't hard. I'll be on my effortlessness. No,

2275
02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:10,000
Speaker 1: just let's talk about this time. You're not the one

2276
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:12,600
Speaker 1: man operation man? Who is who is your team or

2277
02:01:13,160 --> 02:01:15,680
Speaker 1: some of your key members that have supported you all

2278
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:19,200
Speaker 1: these years, that have supported you now the position because

2279
02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:21,000
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be down here in Atlanta with your

2280
02:01:21,080 --> 02:01:24,000
Speaker 1: mobile Trump making these donors by yourself. What's going on

2281
02:01:24,160 --> 02:01:26,839
Speaker 1: with the with the with the with the Todd Jones empore.

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02:01:27,000 --> 02:01:31,040
Speaker 1: Then that the Cousins Dona empire duc Well, well, you

2283
02:01:31,120 --> 02:01:33,360
Speaker 1: know I have a whole team of cool. I got

2284
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:37,520
Speaker 1: to the donor princesses, my daughter, I got p dough

2285
02:01:37,680 --> 02:01:42,680
Speaker 1: which is uh my friend Johnny. Uh I have you know,

2286
02:01:43,160 --> 02:01:44,960
Speaker 1: even though you know when that plartners no more, I

2287
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:47,840
Speaker 1: have my man easy Glaze to fall back Water. As

2288
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:51,880
Speaker 1: far as advice, you know, all my people got donut names, man,

2289
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:55,960
Speaker 1: you know. And also you know I have one the

2290
02:01:56,040 --> 02:02:00,800
Speaker 1: team now my coach Stephanie roll Um for nominal woman.

2291
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:04,240
Speaker 1: Man's really you know, directing me on how to build

2292
02:02:04,280 --> 02:02:07,440
Speaker 1: his empire. You know. So it's a it's a team effort. Man.

2293
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:10,920
Speaker 1: We're all Cousins. Well, the beauty of it if you're

2294
02:02:10,920 --> 02:02:12,480
Speaker 1: in there, if you're in the like we all know

2295
02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:16,120
Speaker 1: he's here's franchising. But if you're in the Brooklyn, downtown

2296
02:02:16,200 --> 02:02:20,040
Speaker 1: Brooklyn area, you know, Cousins doesn't been in there. Started

2297
02:02:20,080 --> 02:02:22,920
Speaker 1: at twenty six years ago. I've been there the beauteo.

2298
02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:25,480
Speaker 1: When I'm talking to somebody that called him a friend,

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02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:28,560
Speaker 1: I support him because first of all, he delivered quality.

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Speaker 1: You know, he sells the fresh hot many donors right

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Speaker 1: in front right there, you asked for him. He's made

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Speaker 1: on the spot. He has these cool little black boxes

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Speaker 1: that he puts them in that you can walk around

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Speaker 1: and eat him in the streets as you or you

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Speaker 1: can put him in your car, or you can take

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Speaker 1: in the work and give them to some friends. He

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Speaker 1: has cool top ins, but it's all fresh. And that's

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Speaker 1: really what we're talking about. Its quality. And that's what

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Speaker 1: your number point selling point is. Quality service, great personality,

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Speaker 1: great experience, and cousins doesn't correct. That's the correct. Don't

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Speaker 1: forget two of Sean the little doughnuts stick up putting there,

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Speaker 1: yes your hands, you see. See, I gotta admit you

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Speaker 1: sent me like six of them. Okay, but I'm from

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Speaker 1: the country Houston texts. See that's for people who you

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02:03:16,120 --> 02:03:19,320
Speaker 1: know in the streets, walking around in public. The little sticks,

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Speaker 1: you know, you just put it in the box, you know,

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Speaker 1: daintily put it in your mouth, your boy, like I

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Speaker 1: told you a fifteen donors, I would have to tell

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Speaker 1: you this top. I didn't use your stick, brother, okay,

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Speaker 1: even on the little glaze, because the glaze is wet,

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Speaker 1: you know right now, I just put in my ball

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02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:37,040
Speaker 1: and licked the little glaze off. The tips of the

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02:03:37,120 --> 02:03:39,280
Speaker 1: edges of my finger that went on by my business. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's doing elant. Don't talk. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: don't know that ette. All I know is this. I

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Speaker 1: knew I could not eat the weint dough nothing for

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02:03:49,040 --> 02:03:51,480
Speaker 1: it to dry doughnuts. Okay, so I started with the

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02:03:51,560 --> 02:03:53,880
Speaker 1: dry I thought it with the powder. Then I went

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Speaker 1: over to the cinema. Okay, it's the order to my math.

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Speaker 1: People say, do you just know? No, no, no, See

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Speaker 1: when you're uh dessert nothing like me, and I have

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02:04:02,720 --> 02:04:05,320
Speaker 1: to say I'm a dessert. People call her foodie. I'm

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Speaker 1: a dessert foodie. Okay, I'm gonna put the work foodie

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Speaker 1: behind dessert. So when I saw your stuff, because Samantha

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Speaker 1: she's you know, she's an executive producer. She always see

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Speaker 1: me get delivered. She always little nosy, you know, wanting

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02:04:17,960 --> 02:04:21,640
Speaker 1: the oh, did did you get the donuts from cousins? Taught? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I just stared at her because you know it

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Speaker 1: ain't gonna be yeah, and I'm and I'm sharing, Okay, yeah,

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02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:32,960
Speaker 1: it's silenced. Okay, Yeah, I got him. Well, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: send some manth with health. No no, no, no, don't

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Speaker 1: you do that? Don't you do that? Don't you do that?

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02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:40,280
Speaker 1: See what she what you can't do with cousins does?

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02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:42,720
Speaker 1: This is my relationship to what you can't do is

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02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:47,160
Speaker 1: you cannot pity back off of my hard work, my

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02:04:47,360 --> 02:04:51,280
Speaker 1: heart eating. Okay, So when she when the donuts came

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02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:54,560
Speaker 1: down here to Atlanta, George, and where you shipped from Brooklyn,

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02:04:54,640 --> 02:04:58,919
Speaker 1: New York, Atlanta, George ride fresh. I got my two boxes,

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02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:01,960
Speaker 1: put them in a refrigerator. She looking around the corner

2350
02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:04,360
Speaker 1: because you know, her office is next to my kitchen,

2351
02:05:04,600 --> 02:05:09,920
Speaker 1: so she peeps a lot. Okay, I put it strategically.

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02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:12,520
Speaker 1: Everybody knows you can ask anybody that works for me,

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02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:16,400
Speaker 1: do not just go in my refrigerator, Todd, you have

2354
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:19,640
Speaker 1: to have a purpose because see you're going to refrigerator.

2355
02:05:19,880 --> 02:05:22,320
Speaker 1: I may be standing behind you because you keep me

2356
02:05:22,360 --> 02:05:26,520
Speaker 1: stealing my doughnuts. So we keep the show Rashawn's kitchen.

2357
02:05:27,200 --> 02:05:29,240
Speaker 1: I asked. I asked her for permission. So if it's

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02:05:29,240 --> 02:05:31,920
Speaker 1: all right if I do, Todd, you know, the donuts

2359
02:05:32,160 --> 02:05:35,080
Speaker 1: is my example because I want people what what what

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02:05:35,240 --> 02:05:37,440
Speaker 1: I realized is that a lot of people send me food,

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02:05:38,040 --> 02:05:39,920
Speaker 1: pray leads, and I'm gonna make that a section of

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02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:42,240
Speaker 1: the segment of my show, and I introduce you as

2363
02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:45,880
Speaker 1: my premier episode where I invite people who are young

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02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:49,560
Speaker 1: small businesses or franchise and type businesses like yourself to

2365
02:05:49,680 --> 02:05:52,240
Speaker 1: introduce you to my audiences like two million homes in

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02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:56,040
Speaker 1: the Atlanta, Georgia area. It streams internationally, So I definitely

2367
02:05:56,040 --> 02:05:58,520
Speaker 1: want to get the word out about what you're doing, Todd,

2368
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:01,440
Speaker 1: because you're such an amazing you see person, that's that's

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02:06:01,480 --> 02:06:03,960
Speaker 1: important to me. You have a great product that's very

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02:06:04,040 --> 02:06:07,320
Speaker 1: important to me, and you're consistent and that's key. And

2371
02:06:07,480 --> 02:06:09,480
Speaker 1: if are those are traits that you're trying to sell

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02:06:09,640 --> 02:06:12,400
Speaker 1: and trying to promote the most when you're doing Cousins

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02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:17,640
Speaker 1: doesn't talk absolutely Um. That's why it's very important when

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02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:21,880
Speaker 1: I get franchise zs that they're able to follow instructions

2375
02:06:21,880 --> 02:06:25,080
Speaker 1: because we want them to have that same experience wherever

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02:06:25,640 --> 02:06:28,440
Speaker 1: Cousins doesn't it if it's in Japan, I want you

2377
02:06:28,520 --> 02:06:32,320
Speaker 1: to have that same experience. You know, consistency is what

2378
02:06:32,520 --> 02:06:36,080
Speaker 1: people look for. Again, let me just fill everybody out.

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02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:39,560
Speaker 1: Todd Jones. He's been in the donut making game for

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02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:42,800
Speaker 1: over forty five years. Hear me out on that. He

2381
02:06:42,880 --> 02:06:45,600
Speaker 1: started cousin does. It's twenty six years ago. He is

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02:06:45,640 --> 02:06:48,480
Speaker 1: a Many donut shop and down tied Brooklyn, New York.

2383
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:51,520
Speaker 1: They say a hot fresh Many donors made right in

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02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:53,880
Speaker 1: front of you. I was accustomable. I was there. I

2385
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:56,960
Speaker 1: know they have topics like glades, which I just told

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02:06:57,080 --> 02:06:59,839
Speaker 1: y'all that's the weapon right there. Then a sick of centiment,

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02:07:00,080 --> 02:07:02,160
Speaker 1: and then the funnel If anybody loves funnel cake, they

2388
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:04,440
Speaker 1: know what we're talking about. That powder and when you

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02:07:04,520 --> 02:07:07,120
Speaker 1: eat the doughnuts, I kid you not, it's just kind

2390
02:07:07,160 --> 02:07:09,440
Speaker 1: of like melting your mouth, That's what I'm talking about.

2391
02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:11,240
Speaker 1: And then if you if you want to be a

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02:07:11,280 --> 02:07:14,560
Speaker 1: little you know, naughty, as they say, he has doughnuts

2393
02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:17,560
Speaker 1: for growing ups. You know what I'm saying. Hennessy flavor.

2394
02:07:18,120 --> 02:07:23,360
Speaker 1: You know Sharrock. Oh good for that. So you're gonna

2395
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:26,000
Speaker 1: make it big under that, make it make it happen big.

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Speaker 1: You want my favorite entrepreneurs of that interview on my

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Speaker 1: show on Money Making Conversation TID, I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you for taking the time. I know you got up,

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02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:35,200
Speaker 1: did all the doughnuts, but you still took time to

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Speaker 1: promote your product on money making conversations. It was one

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Speaker 1: question I got to ask you with Sean. Okay, how

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02:07:42,160 --> 02:07:45,320
Speaker 1: do you stay so clean after eating powdered doughnuts and

2403
02:07:45,400 --> 02:07:48,120
Speaker 1: cinnamon donuts? Here's the funny quarterbody. I'll tell you something.

2404
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something talking. I wear all black

2405
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Speaker 1: on my show when I tape, I people ask me

2406
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Speaker 1: all time. I don't want to know, April, Okay. I

2407
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Speaker 1: I know how to lean forward and eat, lean fold

2408
02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:04,320
Speaker 1: and eat, and plus you have an order to you

2409
02:08:04,440 --> 02:08:05,840
Speaker 1: mad and not. I see if I just went in

2410
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:08,080
Speaker 1: there grabbing it with my hand like this, I got

2411
02:08:08,200 --> 02:08:10,640
Speaker 1: piled all over my hand. That can get on your clothes.

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02:08:11,120 --> 02:08:13,240
Speaker 1: I go in with my little finger. That's why the

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02:08:13,640 --> 02:08:16,960
Speaker 1: stick is cool. But it also could like flick. You

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Speaker 1: know you can flick see see see you have the listen.

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02:08:20,960 --> 02:08:23,240
Speaker 1: I think now, so I'm not gonna I can't take

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Speaker 1: that risk. So these fingers I can control. Pick up

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02:08:26,360 --> 02:08:28,600
Speaker 1: that little little doughnut popping in my mouth, Go for

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Speaker 1: around two fifteen straight doughnuts, nothing on my clothes. You

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Speaker 1: see it on the show Rishard's Kitchen. You'll see it

2420
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Speaker 1: when you do it like being on the show. I

2421
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Speaker 1: want to come down there a live Okay, you know what,

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Speaker 1: you know, whatever we do because you know we we

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Speaker 1: we can zoom live. I'm gonna do a zoom from

2424
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Speaker 1: your location in Brooklyn. Can we make that happen to Matha. Yeah,

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02:08:50,640 --> 02:08:53,440
Speaker 1: we'll do a live from your kitchen and put it

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Speaker 1: on the show. That's what we should have done this time.

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Speaker 1: But next time we're doing so. When you when you

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Speaker 1: were when you were about to come down here to

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Speaker 1: gonna do alive into your location in the Brooklyn store. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's great, sounds great, looking forward, looking forward to always

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Speaker 1: looking forward to talk to you. Thank you for coming

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Speaker 1: on the show. Money Making Conversation. I appreciate Todd Jon

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