WEBVTT - Out Of Context: Rod Wave

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<v Speaker 1>It's so crazy because a lunch Mainstay films. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was telling my partner the reason, like why the movies

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<v Speaker 1>in Hollywood is so like in the space that it's

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<v Speaker 1>in because they wasn't giving the youth or the people

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. They wasn't giving them like the shot, like

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<v Speaker 1>they want to do what they want to do or

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<v Speaker 1>lean toward their people instead of like getting the culture

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<v Speaker 1>or the youth involved fresh ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like that people ain't never seen before, so they

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<v Speaker 2>keep recycling the same ip, right, And it's.

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<v Speaker 1>So crazy because like we just hit beer because I

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<v Speaker 1>bought a script called Raven Valley, right, but it's just

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<v Speaker 1>too it's like a duo, like a two brothers. But

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<v Speaker 1>they they edited, they gonna they edited, they wrote it

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<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna direct it. But you know, right now

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<v Speaker 1>in the movie space, like that's what buy Buzzes says.

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<v Speaker 1>So like I kind of really like got in early

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<v Speaker 1>because I was just thinking that like six months before

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<v Speaker 1>says came out and he bought the script. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>so crazy because people had to double back because they

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<v Speaker 1>had the script like two years and like people was

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<v Speaker 1>passing on it. It's called Raven Valley Films. Is so crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>Like once I really learned it, like how you can

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<v Speaker 1>like come up with the idea, hire the writer and

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<v Speaker 1>hire the director, attach the talent to the script and

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<v Speaker 1>it could be halfway soul around the world before you

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<v Speaker 1>even shut up first shoot and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then when you realize how much how much it takes

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<v Speaker 2>to do on you what am I waiting on?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? And that's why my whole idea was to like

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<v Speaker 1>not only produce the films and be in film space,

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<v Speaker 1>but also the distribution. That's what Virgo the network, That's

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<v Speaker 1>what that idea came in at, because like seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>percent content won't be original, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>From TV shows to movies, dramas, podcasts, stuff, stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Content won't be original.

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<v Speaker 2>That should make sense, especially for somebody like you because

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<v Speaker 2>you're a storyteller.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah good, are we good?

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<v Speaker 2>You checked?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Check Broadway?

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing? My brother?

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<v Speaker 1>It's cool than that? Man.

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<v Speaker 2>The new album Don't Look Down? So was this your

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<v Speaker 2>seventh seventh studio album? Yeah, yeah, seventh studio album. What's

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<v Speaker 2>that title meaning to you? Don't look down?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you get well me personally. Don't look Down

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<v Speaker 1>means like like I get to I get in these

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<v Speaker 1>moments while I can't even believe I'm here, And it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a metaphor, like you get so hot

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<v Speaker 1>in the ground. It's not as scary as just don't

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't look down, but looking down make the

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<v Speaker 1>situation worse, you know what I'm saying, So I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of used it metaphorically speaking like like the heights that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm at, it's a lot of pressure, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you don't want to fail, you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>make the wrong moves. Like it's such a blessing and

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<v Speaker 1>it's so rare, like with the hand that I was

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<v Speaker 1>dealt to come as far as I came. Pause, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, But just to be here in

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<v Speaker 1>this space, it's like don't don't even like, don't look down,

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<v Speaker 1>like just keep going, keep dreaming, don't let nobody, but

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<v Speaker 1>don't nobody put no ceiling on you or what you

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<v Speaker 1>can you can't do.

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<v Speaker 2>I hear that in your music a lot. Man. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why one of the things I wanted to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you about was just like fame and how fame might

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<v Speaker 2>have might have changed things for you, right, Like like

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<v Speaker 2>like we talk about money, Like what problem did money

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<v Speaker 2>solve for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Just like no limitations, like I got my own money

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<v Speaker 1>cause I'm a I'm I don't I don't like to

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like to take, like I don't like the negative,

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<v Speaker 1>like no energy with like stuff or ideas that I have.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, I don't want to wait

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<v Speaker 1>on nobody or nobody that I don't want to play

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<v Speaker 1>by nobody else rules. You know what I'm saying. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I like to go, Like once I got something in

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<v Speaker 1>my head, I want to do it, like that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do. And I feel like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of businesses a lot of stuff in today's time, like

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<v Speaker 1>people use other people money and it's smart and it's

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<v Speaker 1>okay to do. But like if I got something I'm

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<v Speaker 1>passionate about, like I can just get up and push it.

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<v Speaker 1>I can. I'm in control of my you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, destiny, How I feel like I'm financially you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying stable, So all these ideas they

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<v Speaker 1>can actually come to life, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like and I'm able to think clear,

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't have to have the pressure or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, where it's gonna come from or what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do for this. I can just think clear

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<v Speaker 1>and see and you know what I'm saying, and just

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<v Speaker 1>think at a different different level.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying, Oh, we know you're getting

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<v Speaker 2>too the money, and we see the soul that shows

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<v Speaker 2>of the arenas you got you got God like Todd

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<v Speaker 2>mosk with showing up your interviews, heah, what problems did

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<v Speaker 2>money create?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? It creates. I mean I feel like you always

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<v Speaker 1>have problems, you know what I'm saying. Your problems just

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<v Speaker 1>the problems just you know what I'm saying, became just

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<v Speaker 1>different like they came, but they fit that suit. Like

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<v Speaker 1>certain problems I could say, Like people, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people feel entitled, you know what I'm saying, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people feel like you know what I'm saying, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you got all that money, like you should be able

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<v Speaker 1>to you know what I'm saying, People feeling title to it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. People people look at you

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<v Speaker 1>when they see money, you know what I'm saying. So

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's the number one problem with me

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<v Speaker 1>with money. You know what I'm saying, It's just like

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<v Speaker 1>that's all people's That's mostly what people see when they

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<v Speaker 1>first see you. You know what I'm saying, They see

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<v Speaker 1>money or you know what I'm saying, And it can

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<v Speaker 1>ruin a lot of things, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying, that have success made trusting people easier

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<v Speaker 2>or harder?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, success success doesn't didn't really like change the

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<v Speaker 1>way I trust people. I mean, seeing I've always you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, felt like people got to earn trust,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, no matter successful, you failing, poor, rich,

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<v Speaker 1>trusts have to be earned, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>So it didn't really like change their shift drastically. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a lot of things that I couldn't have imagined,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying when I got successful financially stable,

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<v Speaker 1>But trust has to be earned. The where you're at,

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<v Speaker 1>who you're talking about, where you go, Do.

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<v Speaker 2>You feel successful? Do you still feel like you're surviving?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, hell yeah, Okay, I feel successful because I

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<v Speaker 1>watched I watched me and my team put together a plan,

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<v Speaker 1>study the plan, and execute it, and I feel successful

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<v Speaker 1>And it got me ready for the world. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>can look at anything and piece it together and deep

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<v Speaker 1>like and break it down and put it back together.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I feel like I can do whatever I

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<v Speaker 1>put my mind to, Like it's actually possible to come

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<v Speaker 1>up with a plan, come up with a blueprint, execute

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<v Speaker 1>it and succeed.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, what's the biggest misconception you think people have

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<v Speaker 2>about about you?

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<v Speaker 1>The biggest misconception people have about me is that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest misconception that people have about me. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like people don't really understand, like my personality. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't give give them as much of reality

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<v Speaker 1>as I would, as as I as I wish, as

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<v Speaker 1>much as I could. I don't give them enough reality

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where they take whatever they see out

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<v Speaker 1>in the world and they make that image of me

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<v Speaker 1>because I give them so so little that they got

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<v Speaker 1>to use, They got to work with what they got,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. So the biggest misconception would

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<v Speaker 1>be like my energy or my attitude towards like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I say life for people. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm like I'm the image that people

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<v Speaker 1>got about me is totally different than you know. What

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is.

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<v Speaker 2>That by designs like you don't. You don't do a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of interviews.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Nah, that's what I'm saying, Like, I I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, you know what I'm saying. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't control with other people and what they put out

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<v Speaker 1>in the world about me. I can't control that. I

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<v Speaker 1>can only control what I put out in the world

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<v Speaker 1>or what I do. And it's just not natural for

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<v Speaker 1>me to push that on people or try to prove

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<v Speaker 1>a point of who I am or you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, what I what I am, or how I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't never feel the need to do that when

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<v Speaker 1>I wake up in the morning. It's explaining that people

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<v Speaker 1>prove to people who I am, Like, that's true. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to take what you see online or you want

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, Like, then that's your god given right.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's dope though. That's like that's like old

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<v Speaker 2>school star right, Like old school superstars, they had an

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<v Speaker 2>era of mystery about them, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Like like you got their music and you had to

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<v Speaker 2>hear what their life was like through their music. Every

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<v Speaker 2>now and then you might get it and it'd be

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<v Speaker 2>like rarely rarely. But I think that's dope, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>move like Michael Jackson. And the one thing I like

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<v Speaker 2>I like about you, man, it's like you're not out

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<v Speaker 2>here doing no goofy shit, you know, like you ain't

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<v Speaker 2>on the blogs and you know, all over social media

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<v Speaker 2>doing dumbn shit like people know Broadway for being a

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<v Speaker 2>dope artist telling out these shows and building a fan

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<v Speaker 2>base through music, Like I think that's what you're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, I think it's so crazy that you

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<v Speaker 1>say that, because like he was just talking about that earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like I'm roadway once out of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>and when it's time to drop an album, do a tour,

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm back to you know what I'm saying, normal living,

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<v Speaker 1>And they really don't really hit me until it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to drop albums or do tours or do press runs

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<v Speaker 1>or I actually like remember who I remember who I am?

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<v Speaker 1>You feel what I'm saying, because like, throughout the year,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like normal, especially like this chapter that I'm on,

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<v Speaker 1>chapter that I'm on, you know what I'm saying, like

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<v Speaker 1>building businesses and getting deeper into the business and just

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<v Speaker 1>like building companies and networking and building relationships. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing like three hundred days out of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying that the other sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>is like straight rock and roll, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>But then it's back to the basics, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's kind of like a good and a negative

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<v Speaker 1>and a plus because negative, like I wish people didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, take my image and run

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<v Speaker 1>with it. But it's a plus because that mysterious, like

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<v Speaker 1>people some people understand that they only got what the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet gave them and then make them want to dig

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<v Speaker 1>a little deeper. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know too, man, You know I always wonder about you,

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<v Speaker 2>Like how does somebody who seems like they carry so

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<v Speaker 2>much pain, at least in their music right become one

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<v Speaker 2>of the biggest artists in America without letting that pain

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<v Speaker 2>destroy them?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? I mean it's bro I feel like everybody in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, like people always taking that safe pain. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still not even like that word, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, because it's not even just pain, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>just testimony. It's just real life. Like if you get

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<v Speaker 1>up in the morning and you late the word bad accident,

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<v Speaker 1>fucking coffee spilled on you shit like whatever going on, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you come in the office and you talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it like you not like crying or dwelling on it,

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<v Speaker 1>or it wasn't painful, like it was just like something

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<v Speaker 1>you went through and you found somebody express it to

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<v Speaker 1>them and life went on. So like, I don't it

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<v Speaker 1>can't destroy me because it's just it's I turned it

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<v Speaker 1>just into a positive, right, And I feel like everybody

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<v Speaker 1>in the world go through stuff, go through things, like

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<v Speaker 1>everybody problems is you know what I'm saying, case by case,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's all normal, Like it's not pain, it's not sad,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's normal. It's reality. Like the world is so

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<v Speaker 1>stuck on the internet. Everybody's living these fake perfect lives.

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<v Speaker 1>All these people living is fake fairy tale. You take

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five pictures, but you only post three of them.

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<v Speaker 1>You found the most perfect pictures. You see what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna edit it and do all this and that,

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like that's not reality, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. So I'm just living in reality. I'm just speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why I say, like I'm on your way

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<v Speaker 1>once a year because the rest of the year, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in reality, you know what I'm saying. Of course, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on social media and I'm watching and I'm laughing and

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<v Speaker 1>joking and I'm watching this and watching TV. I know

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on in the world, But I'm in reality, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>and I try to keep that balance, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, because the fake perfect and stuff like it's

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<v Speaker 1>not real. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you aware that you give people, especially young men

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<v Speaker 2>from the hood, permission to feel like they're not afraid

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<v Speaker 2>to express their emotions and talk about what they're going

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<v Speaker 2>through because of your music.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's so crazy because I'm kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>the sacrificial limb if you look at it, because men

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<v Speaker 1>or young men, young black men, young men, black, green, orange, white,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever color, like, it's not like if you talk about

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<v Speaker 1>your problems or you get too vulnerable whatever, like, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear it, you know what I'm saying. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like the proof. I'm like the walking example that people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, don't care about what you

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<v Speaker 1>go through. They don't care about how you feel. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't And I feel like the people who feel how

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<v Speaker 1>I feel, they connect with it. Right, like the young

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<v Speaker 1>black men they see like them, I'm not tripping like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just not me. Every is You can see that

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<v Speaker 1>rock and all these fans and all these following and

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<v Speaker 1>all these people who feel how he feel, how I feel,

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<v Speaker 1>how you feel, you know what I'm saying. So I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it's it's cool that I was able to

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<v Speaker 1>take reality right and turn it into a positive. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like walking example of why men can't. Can't complain,

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<v Speaker 1>You can't, you can't do nothing. You just got to

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<v Speaker 1>shut up and deal with it because you is a man, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you don't, people will polling at you and say, like,

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<v Speaker 1>look at all your flaws and shit, while they while

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<v Speaker 1>they got ten thousand more flaws than you, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, but they just not talking about theirs

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<v Speaker 1>are living in their truth, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, But that's why you're used to connect with

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<v Speaker 2>people the way that it does, because because because you

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<v Speaker 2>live your truth. Is it a burden to be like

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's therapists and you like the ghetto psychiatrists? Does it

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<v Speaker 2>feel like a burden sometime?

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<v Speaker 1>And not really, because I don't really look at it

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<v Speaker 1>like that, like I'm making a song. I'm not looking

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<v Speaker 1>at it like I gotta make it sure for these people.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not looking at it like I gotta do this

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<v Speaker 1>for these people, like I'm just going in there having

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<v Speaker 1>my own little therapy session, and I'm just going there talking,

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<v Speaker 1>having and just having my own thing going on. My hobby,

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<v Speaker 1>my therapy, my what I like to do, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>it turned into what it is like as a young

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<v Speaker 1>black man in America when I couldn't talk to nobody,

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<v Speaker 1>or when I nobody wanted to hear what I was saying.

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<v Speaker 1>And I go around my home boys and they understand

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<v Speaker 1>how I feel. I get into So going to the

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<v Speaker 1>studio made me like that was my hobby. I had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of built up anger. I had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of built up like I didn't know how to express it.

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<v Speaker 1>And other people my age or with the hand that

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<v Speaker 1>I was dealt that was similar to minds, they spread it,

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<v Speaker 1>expressed it in different ways. Some people violently expressed it right,

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<v Speaker 1>some people expressed it traumatically and couldn't get through it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just kind of expressed it through music, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And it turned into what it is today and how

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<v Speaker 1>successful it done became you know what I'm saying, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just trying to find a way to express

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<v Speaker 1>what I was feeling on what I be feeling right

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<v Speaker 1>and as a as a as a as a as

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<v Speaker 1>an adolescent, I didn't know how to write, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of built up anger and I just

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<v Speaker 1>would express it and dangerous or ways that stuff put

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<v Speaker 1>myself in stuff I probably couldn't get out of. So

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<v Speaker 1>finding music was my way of escaping or expressing or

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<v Speaker 1>letting it out because I don't want to like you,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, nobody want to hear a man. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear that right, because that's just the rules,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just how the world worked. So I found the

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<v Speaker 1>way to express it right, and other people around the

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<v Speaker 1>world felt it. So now my music whenever they feel

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<v Speaker 1>how they feel, they don't got to express it bindingly

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<v Speaker 1>or traumatically if they just listen to the music and

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<v Speaker 1>they understand, like, it's okay for you to not understand

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<v Speaker 1>why you feel how you feel. A lot of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay, you know what.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, It's okay to not be okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's normal. This reality is ninety nine percent people are

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<v Speaker 1>acting they faking like they that they perfect. Right, that

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<v Speaker 1>don't you're not happy, or you don't love life, or

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<v Speaker 1>you're not excited about today, or you don't love your

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<v Speaker 1>family or your friends. Right, It's just reality. Though.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, millions of people, as you just said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>say your music saved their lives, right, Who saves Broadway music?

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<v Speaker 1>Music? Music? Music got me out of because you got

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<v Speaker 1>to think about it. Not only did music help me

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<v Speaker 1>express what I was feeling when all I knew was violence, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I found a different way to express it. It

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<v Speaker 1>saved my life then, Right when I couldn't get nothing right. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>when I couldn't get right, couldn't hustle and kept messing

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<v Speaker 1>up the money, kept doing this and I was out

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<v Speaker 1>in the world by myself, music came and saved me again.

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<v Speaker 1>And it helped pay my bills. When I had kids

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<v Speaker 1>and I was trying to figre out what I'm about

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<v Speaker 1>to do, music helped feed them. Or my mama was

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<v Speaker 1>tired of working and she was tired. Music helped retire.

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<v Speaker 1>You see what I'm saying. So nobody, I mean, I love,

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<v Speaker 1>I love my support system, like my family and my team, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but music is a part of that my support system,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it saved my life. You know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>It changed my whole trajectory. On the path that I

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<v Speaker 1>was at from seventeen to twenty seven, I probably would

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<v Speaker 1>have just been coming home, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it changed my whole trajectory on what I was on,

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<v Speaker 1>where I was going in life, and not just me,

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<v Speaker 1>ten million young black, angry young men in the world

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<v Speaker 1>was headed the same way, right, and music changed my

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<v Speaker 1>whole trajectory. So whenever I you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what even if you look at any other businesses

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm starting, like my edge on it is what

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<v Speaker 1>I did in music. My influence that I built doing music, audience,

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<v Speaker 1>see what I'm saying. So like that's what I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>thankful that I was able to find a hobby. And

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<v Speaker 1>guess what My hobby probably was music. Some people hobby

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<v Speaker 1>was basketball, football, film making. Like a great friend of mine,

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Cooler, you know what I'm saying, Like that's how

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<v Speaker 1>people expressed. And I speak with people like Ryan and

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<v Speaker 1>the Tip Bro the music and we have conversations that

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<v Speaker 1>go deeper than the surface. You know, I have a

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<v Speaker 1>conversations with people that people probably can't when they see

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<v Speaker 1>me on the street, they talk to me. They probably

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<v Speaker 1>never even told their wife how they feel what I

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<v Speaker 1>help them through, you know what I'm saying, because they

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like they can.

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<v Speaker 2>I told you you the ghetto psychia therapist bro, just

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<v Speaker 2>real life. Who you're the go to guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>For so many people? And now you said music, But

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<v Speaker 2>who does the go to person go to? You can't.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't carry all this weight by yourself, man.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's that's just that. Come with the territory,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, Shit, Come with the territory,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you really ask yourself, like, who can anybody

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<v Speaker 1>go to? For real? It's not just me, Like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>justm rod wave and everybody I fancy shit, But who

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<v Speaker 1>can anybody go to? Like I really ask yourself that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because there's there's there's only one you. Like, you

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<v Speaker 2>can talk to other people who might have had similar experiences,

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<v Speaker 2>but nobody has lived your life.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything is casaby case, like who can you go to? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Because even when you go to somebody, they are problems

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<v Speaker 1>of their own I don' want to hear that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not even a sad thing. It's not even about problems.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be a happy I don't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>explain it, but it's not. People try to make it be.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just reality.

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<v Speaker 2>The internet be acting like you just this sad depressed person.

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<v Speaker 1>All A lot of that should be like proper ganda,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you really pay attention to it, like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot that be a lot of campaign and pushing and

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<v Speaker 1>angles and you know what I'm saying, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>it just be narratives. You know what I'm saying, the

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<v Speaker 1>real what's going on in the reality? Come to a concert?

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<v Speaker 1>Was going on in real life? Go and look at

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<v Speaker 1>albums in seven platinum, I'm go and look at it

0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.280
<v Speaker 1>six plant, Like, go look at reality you get on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet. That's what I'm saying, Like you never know

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<v Speaker 1>what's really behind that, what's controlling that. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>just look at reality and what rod got going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a difference between being sad and uh and

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<v Speaker 2>being depressed? Hell yeah, okay, what's the different?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Bro?

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<v Speaker 1>You can you could be like sad as a feeling,

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<v Speaker 1>So sad and depressed is feelings and sad. Sad and

0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:39.000
<v Speaker 1>depressed might be like sad feel like damn, like shiit

0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:43.720
<v Speaker 1>sad is like to the point of that hurts my

0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:45.879
<v Speaker 1>feelings or I feel a way about it, but I'm moving.

0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Is depressed is more like defeated, like you just beat down.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, Like do I look defeated? Nah?

0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.520
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. I'm still going and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't been through ship just like everybody else in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>So depressed is like a word of like flat tied,

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<v Speaker 1>can't go no more. I've been going. I've been going,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've been going since I was fourteen. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>I've been ready for the world. So I ain't depressed.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even like that word because I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to nothing get I don't even let nothing get to

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<v Speaker 1>me for real, Like I don't even take nothing standing

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<v Speaker 1>my way, Like I don't want to hear no nos

0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:28.399
<v Speaker 1>what we can't do and how hard something is. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even like that's just always my attitude, like we

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<v Speaker 1>can always get anything done, Like I don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even have a depressed attitude, right because even depressed even

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<v Speaker 1>by me going in the studio and expressing my music

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<v Speaker 1>and turn to turn what I'm going through to a

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<v Speaker 1>positive that's not even a depressed action Like I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward. I'm getting up, going to the studio and

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<v Speaker 1>hobby and exercising my hobby and what I want to

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<v Speaker 1>do in life. You know what I'm saying. So depressed

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<v Speaker 1>is like depleted life black, can't go no more. It's sad.

0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:05.360
<v Speaker 1>It's like that's how I feel. But sad happy can

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<v Speaker 1>come ten minutes after side. The excitement can come ten

0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:12.480
<v Speaker 1>minutes after sad, you know what I'm saying. Or sleepy

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<v Speaker 1>it come five minutes before sad. So it's like I

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<v Speaker 1>could be sad that it's raining and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>drive and I just washed my car. I could be

0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:22.800
<v Speaker 1>sad that fucking well. I could be happy. I could

0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.719
<v Speaker 1>be sleepy. I could be funny. I can be depressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Is like I can't do it no more. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to wrap, I don't want to do nothing, can't

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<v Speaker 1>take it no more, I don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>To You know what I'm saying, You've never been there,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro, I mean like in life, like I don't know. Yeah,

0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.760
<v Speaker 1>i'd been there, right, but that's shit, not like every

0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:43.159
<v Speaker 1>day the fact that I'm seeing with you, I had

0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:45.080
<v Speaker 1>to get on a plane, get on the get it in.

0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I had to cross the river and cross the lake

0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:50.119
<v Speaker 1>to give so like that go to show you like

0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:52.520
<v Speaker 1>that's not depressed. Like if that was the case, I

0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:55.600
<v Speaker 1>would be up undertle rock, like don't even want to

0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:58.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, push it no more. But this is my hobby.

0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:00.840
<v Speaker 1>And if I were depressed, if depressed me depleted, can't

0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.280
<v Speaker 1>take it am flat down to the ground. How the

0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:05.000
<v Speaker 1>hell do we do six albums back to back to

0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:06.240
<v Speaker 1>back to back to back to back.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right?

0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Where was he depleted? Where did he get wet? Where

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:11.720
<v Speaker 1>did where did it get confused? With that?

0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:13.840
<v Speaker 2>You know? One of your fellow floor to boys, one

0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:16.520
<v Speaker 2>man Little Duvall, he said, you're not depressed, you just

0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:17.159
<v Speaker 2>need some money.

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<v Speaker 1>That I said real as real, because you like, if

0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:24.359
<v Speaker 1>you go back through what I'm saying, like what the

0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:28.320
<v Speaker 1>press really mean, Like if you got money, maybe you

0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:30.680
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, like, maybe you'll have more motivation,

0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Like it gives you like that anything is possible, you

0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:35.560
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying.

0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever worried that, uh, that that healing might

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<v Speaker 2>change the music like that people fell in love with

0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:44.480
<v Speaker 2>a version of you? That that was I guess hurting.

0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:48.200
<v Speaker 1>I do, but I used to think about that, right,

0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:51.760
<v Speaker 1>But at some point it's like, these people been with

0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:55.360
<v Speaker 1>me since I was nineteen twenty seven now, so these

0:23:55.440 --> 0:24:01.000
<v Speaker 1>saying people right should be we together to together, should

0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:04.720
<v Speaker 1>be healing. It shouldn't just be stuck. Now, that's the press.

0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:08.480
<v Speaker 1>It's stuck. You can't get pad, you can't move through it. Right,

0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:16.360
<v Speaker 1>So healing, right, is what we all should be working towards.

0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Whether it's tonight, today, tomorrow, next week, next year, ten

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:22.960
<v Speaker 1>years from now, we all should be taking steps forward

0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:27.800
<v Speaker 1>to healing whatever hurt us, because holding on to that

0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:31.960
<v Speaker 1>shit is not that's not healthy. That's the press. That's

0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:34.600
<v Speaker 1>when you're not trying to find ways to move forward

0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 1>in life. But the music, you know what I'm saying,

0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:41.200
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna grow, because we're all growing. If I was

0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.000
<v Speaker 1>nineteen then when you first listened to me, I'm twenty

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:48.159
<v Speaker 1>seven now, right, how many years is that? It's like

0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:48.640
<v Speaker 1>eight years?

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:50.959
<v Speaker 2>Did a lot in the years, bro?

0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Thank god? Well?

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:55.200
<v Speaker 2>And you know when I listened to the new album Don't

0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Look Down, I do hear I hear a lot of happiness,

0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 2>but also hear a lot of grief as well, right,

0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:03.320
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I hear a lot of heartbreak. Like

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:06.639
<v Speaker 2>when you perform songs that come from some of your

0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 2>darkest moments, does it help you here or does it

0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 2>make you just relive those emotions?

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:13.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, even recording the song, it's like a form

0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:16.199
<v Speaker 1>of like vent and getting it out your system. Like

0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I could have been the song that I made, could

0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 1>have been an hour of my life, and I took

0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 1>this whatever I was going through in that hour, and

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:30.399
<v Speaker 1>then two days later I might have didn't even feel

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 1>that way, right, But it's a great song, like we

0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:36.720
<v Speaker 1>got something great from it. So even recording it made

0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 1>me feel better about the situation. Right. Getting on stage,

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.080
<v Speaker 1>of course might be a year later from the time

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 1>I recorded it to then, so maybe I've already felt better.

0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm in a whole nother space about what happened

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:52.399
<v Speaker 1>to me or whatever I feel or whatever I was

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:57.679
<v Speaker 1>going through, whether it's small, big, whatever the case may be. Regardless, Bro,

0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm a soldier. I'm moving forward. I'm going forward. Ain't

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:05.040
<v Speaker 1>nothing stopping me. I ain't No, I'm not letting up

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:08.680
<v Speaker 1>for nobody. Now, Does that mean I'm way rapping? That's

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:12.639
<v Speaker 1>a whole nother conversation, but just in life. You know

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. I'm always working forward the healing, trying

0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 1>to grow, move forward, build businesses. But I feel like

0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:22.400
<v Speaker 1>this chapter in my life and I found so much

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:26.119
<v Speaker 1>happiness with all the other things that I'm building, you

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, Like I feel excited, wake up

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:31.480
<v Speaker 1>and go to the office and sit with the team,

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:35.119
<v Speaker 1>and surround myself with people who think like minded people,

0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:36.480
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, People who want to grow,

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:38.920
<v Speaker 1>people who love creating and art.

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:42.960
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying, Like, what's this chapter? What's

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 2>this chapter of your life?

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Club?

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Don't look down, don't look down? What is this chapter mean?

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:51.399
<v Speaker 2>Because I hear you keep referencing this chapter and I

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:54.200
<v Speaker 2>know you know you got father going on the business side,

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 2>going on, like what is it? What is it represented?

0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Just going from like art artists to mogul you know

0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, Just like I feel like at something

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.199
<v Speaker 1>like we all gotta grow, right, So by me just

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 1>being on the stage and being the artist, being the

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:08.960
<v Speaker 1>talent or whatever, I feel like I wouldn't say I

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 1>was in the words position, but maybe like I was

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 1>like a pawn at the time. You know what I'm saying,

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:17.280
<v Speaker 1>So like being but I'm still in the game, right,

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:19.399
<v Speaker 1>So this child is like going from artists to mogil

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.880
<v Speaker 1>because like, I learned so much and I have seen

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:24.879
<v Speaker 1>how things operate, and I seen how think go, I

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:26.840
<v Speaker 1>got my money right, how I got my mind right.

0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 1>So it's like this chapter was like going from artists

0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 1>to mogul because you know, like at some point you

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>gotta like, you know, let the kids have it. You

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. I let the kids have it,

0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:43.520
<v Speaker 1>like let me. You know what I'm saying, I'm always

0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:47.119
<v Speaker 1>do this because it's my hobby, right, I can. I

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:49.719
<v Speaker 1>can make a hundred songs and nobody ever heard them

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, because it just gotta like to do it.

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 2>What you mean, the kids, But you're twenty seven, like

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 2>you a.

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Bab you know what I'm saying, I'm not something right now.

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh I don't want to be to that point where

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:00.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a fucking kid no more. You know what

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. It's like, bro, like I should be getting

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 1>behind the youth and because they the future, at some

0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:10.280
<v Speaker 1>point in my life, I should be up in the

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 1>youth and teaching them what I learned or helping them

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.160
<v Speaker 1>so they don't have to bump their head and go

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 1>through an eight year roller coaster. You know what I'm saying,

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:20.640
<v Speaker 1>it should be an eight month roller coaster. That's how

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:23.439
<v Speaker 1>it should go, right, right, Like we should be teaching

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:26.679
<v Speaker 1>the youth or getting behind the youth. That's how that go.

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Even though now I'm twenty seven, Right, it's somebody who's seventeen, right,

0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 1>who probably might be better than me, you know what

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:36.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, Quicker than me, faster than me, whatever the

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 1>case may be, and I should be I should make

0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:42.720
<v Speaker 1>an effort into being a part of that. You know

0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying.

0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely well, what's something you think you've healed from that?

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Your fans probably don't even realize.

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 1>I feel like a lot of a lot of things

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 1>that I helped from, maybe like like childhood drama. Like

0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I feel like when I was younger, I was so dramatic,

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, Like I felt like the

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 1>world owed me something. I felt like all mad at

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:06.719
<v Speaker 1>these people, these people what they did to mean, how

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>can they do that? I mean? I feel like as

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>time as time went on, I got to help so much,

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Like about like my childhood or my earlier younger days,

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 1>like nobody was out to get you, bro like his life.

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Everybody got their own problems. Everybody got their own life.

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 1>And maybe because the music, like it's timeless, so people

0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 1>go back and revisit and they think, like, that's still

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>how I feel about certain situations. But I healed from

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 1>so many things like family relationships and stuff like that

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:44.719
<v Speaker 1>because I was young, right, you know, you seventeen sixteen,

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 1>and you just you don't get it, you don't understand it,

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>and you think everything's personal. You take everything personal, right,

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>and they you get older and you have your own kids,

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.239
<v Speaker 1>and you have your own life, and you become an

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 1>adult and it's just like, oh, I see, and you

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:01.479
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, And you give certain people breaks

0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>like damn, you look at it a whole other way,

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 1>and and that help you heal right, growth, just growing

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 1>and having your own kids and family and businesses, and

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 1>and you stop taking shit so personal. You know what

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying.

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Hey, that's why I love talking to brothers like you,

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 2>because when I was twenty seven, I didn't have that

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 2>level of emotional intelligence. All I was still taking things first.

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>That's twenty seven years old. And then the thing you're

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 2>gonna realize is you get older, Like as you get older,

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 2>everything is just about healing that inner child exactly, that

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 2>that still exists with you. You that eight year old,

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 2>that nine yearld that tenure, whatever trauma you was dealing

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 2>with back then. I promise you gonna be in your

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 2>thirties forties still trying to help that little boy.

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh God, but it's so crazy because but now I

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>look at it and I remember myself like from a

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 1>child to a grown man, right, and it's just like,

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>what about the people who made us feel the way

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>they was once children and they once they didn't have

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 1>it figured out, and they once it was dramatic, and

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 1>they once start the world wild around them. Maybe you

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. And so now once you look

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 1>back at it and you look at it from that angle,

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:10.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like, damn. Some of my parents is like kids

0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>who there was once kids and they just growed up

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and they didn't have a rule book up booker, and

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 1>then their parents it was just revolving cycle. So when

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:21.160
<v Speaker 1>I once I turn around and I look at the

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>world and from that angle, it is like, damn, Like

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe I was a little too hard or maybe I

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 1>was a little dramatic or maybe I did.

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Did you ever have those conversations with your people, because

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 2>that's one of the I tell you, that's the hard

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 2>that's the hard thing knowing that your parents had a

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 2>life before they was your parents and learning about that.

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially especially when they feel that like they feel

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 1>some sort of type of like guilt, like damn, I

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 1>wish all you know what I'm saying, And then like

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 1>now you gotta like try to make them understand that

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>you understanding now right because they might have remembered when

0:31:59.920 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 1>you was dramatic about it and they and they think

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>you still feel that way about it, and it's like

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>how do you tell them like it's okay, I understand.

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 2>That's what they look at me, mama, record is you

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:11.959
<v Speaker 2>feel me?

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy yea.

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 2>So the conversations you can't have to them yet you

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>just you put it into music.

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, whatever I think Wayne said that was like kind

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>of hearts and to your face. So I do it

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 1>little snails and face ship like that because like the

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 1>music is like like vent like then you know what

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 1>the music is. Like. How they express yourself is how

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 1>I express myself. You know. But that's why I feel

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 1>like this album is like so mature, because it used

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>to be I don't want no more love. I feel

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>it's poison. And then it turned into can I have

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>a piece? Sir?

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 2>I'll be fun, you know, and I'm alone.

0:32:55.920 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Tonight, but I'm okay, you feel me, I'm okay. Though

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>it used to be how can I? How can I live?

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 1>How can I?

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be alone?

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 1>And it turned into okay, if you getting lost tonight,

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 1>you're fine your way? Well you do? You know what

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. It's like you're older. It's like I'm like,

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, unless dramatic. It's like, I understand. I don't

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 1>take shit so personal. I don't look at it to

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 1>look at the world different.

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 2>But she's still human, you know what I mean? So

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 2>human long for connection right as you get older, like

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 2>it's growth.

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:37.200
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Do you ever feel guilty for making it out when

0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:41.720
<v Speaker 2>people you loved it?

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? No, I mean because like this sho didn't fall

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 1>out of this guy you work for it, work so

0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 1>hard for this ship. Man. Nah. No, I feel I

0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 1>feel bad because I feel like I was so blessed

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>to the point where like skated so many times, you know,

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 1>and I got partners who didn't get second chances, who

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't get you know what I'm saying, older, older people

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 1>to wrap their arms around him and teach him and

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:19.360
<v Speaker 1>guide them. But you know, I took the hand. I

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 1>was there, and I played it, and I'm still playing it.

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, I feel sad for like a lot of

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 1>my friends and peers who couldn't make it to him.

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 1>But that's why I always like shout that out, like

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:33.720
<v Speaker 1>I made it where people couldn't, Like I'm a bottom

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:36.480
<v Speaker 1>bust surviv like I know niggas couldn't even make it

0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 1>past the first level. You know what I'm saying.

0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:42.280
<v Speaker 2>You reference, you reference flip a lot on this project

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 2>quite a few times, Like what did he mean to you?

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:49.839
<v Speaker 1>Flip flip? That's uh, that's like Uncle d Ulter Ego man,

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 1>so like the last little child in his life, he flipped.

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:56.480
<v Speaker 1>He was total opposite, Like he was always like hiding

0:34:56.719 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>cameras and bore the same thing he had ever, you

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:02.920
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, never spent no money, never he

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:06.919
<v Speaker 1>was quiet, like the last last fucking chapter of his life.

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 1>He kind of flipped like to the total opposite. But

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 1>he talked. He taught me a lot though. Man, he

0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 1>meant a lot to me. He he helped mold this

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 1>version of me today, like you know what I'm saying,

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:22.240
<v Speaker 1>And as a from that, you know, from as chapter changes,

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm different and I'm still growing, right, But I couldn't

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 1>have got to this point without you know what I'm saying,

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 1>that bridge that he built for us. You know what

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying.

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:34.280
<v Speaker 2>It was like he was like a mentor.

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Most definitely, most definitely.

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:38.320
<v Speaker 2>How important is mentorship?

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Mentorship is important because if a lot of things that

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:47.600
<v Speaker 1>not not having a mentor could like slow the process down,

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. So actually having somebody in

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 1>your ear or your corner that you actually believe trust

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 1>and that you know you can trust, you know they

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:59.279
<v Speaker 1>got your best interest, that you know they know what

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.439
<v Speaker 1>they talking about. It have been there before, right because

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.399
<v Speaker 1>a lot of us got goals and ship that were

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:08.360
<v Speaker 1>going towards and it might take you longer, or it

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 1>might you might go further and I might get there faster.

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:15.799
<v Speaker 1>But a mentor can kind of like help you with

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 1>out pumping your head. Like we tell you, bro, I

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 1>went down at alley, I got full flat tied. Don't

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:22.800
<v Speaker 1>go down there. I'm not gonna go down there. You

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 1>see what I'm saying. Saved me time, saved me money.

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>I went around, I got He didn't give me the

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 1>gas money, right, he didn't boy the comf for me,

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>but he helped me. He told me, Bro, you go

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.320
<v Speaker 1>down that alley, you're gonna get full flat times and

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:37.719
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna show you down about four five hours. If

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:40.839
<v Speaker 1>you go around right, you're gonna get further, and you're

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna with daylight before it getting dark, You're gonna get

0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>way further if you don't go down to the alley.

0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 1>So mentorship ship is important, and that's why I said

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:50.279
<v Speaker 1>I want to be when I get to a point

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:51.839
<v Speaker 1>in my life, I want to be a part of

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 1>the youth and the culture and helping them because like

0:36:57.239 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 1>for example, Bro, at the Kanye concert. You know what

0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, My tour company built the soul Fly Stadium, right,

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and we had the highest grossing hip hop show a

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.839
<v Speaker 1>concert ever. You see what I'm saying. But the fact

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 1>that I was able to learn that right, and it

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.080
<v Speaker 1>was people around me at the time before I became

0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. The person I am today,

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 1>or before I built soul flyop, I mean before I

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 1>built Mainstay Torn, right, it was people who should have

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 1>been mentoring me and helping me and helping me get

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:32.960
<v Speaker 1>on this level or rowing with me, right, But they

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:34.879
<v Speaker 1>were trying to run the game on me. You see

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.440
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, and that kind of just But we

0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 1>could have built We could have built this and did

0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>this together. We could have been doing this right. So

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>where I'm at today with the Kanye concert and everything,

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 1>imagine where we would have been, right if we would

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:50.000
<v Speaker 1>have started this process. Then when if the first step

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:52.400
<v Speaker 1>would have been mentorship and helping me and teaching me

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:54.239
<v Speaker 1>instead of trying to run the game on me. Right,

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.239
<v Speaker 1>So now once you run the game on me three times,

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 1>now I learn it. Now you just wasted two years.

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 1>You see what I'm saying. I got to go over

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 1>here and now I'm at this point. Well, okay, I

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 1>know how to build relationships, going to a leverage relationships,

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 1>but the building can't. Nobody in America, God damn get

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 1>coated back. You feel what I'm saying. At the soul

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Fly Stadium, soul if I Stadium. So it's like learning

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:17.000
<v Speaker 1>how to leverage relationship, learning how to do this by

0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:19.600
<v Speaker 1>going through whatever I went through. You see what I'm saying.

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 1>But that's why it's important, because now I could take

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 1>what I know, I could pass it down, so now

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.160
<v Speaker 1>I can save you two years. I could save three

0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 1>years because I did it. I already did it. And

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's my debt to the culture. It's

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:35.440
<v Speaker 1>my debt to society because what I'm I mean, I

0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 1>couldn't even see the world in it like right. I

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:40.440
<v Speaker 1>feel like that could make all the difference in the

0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 1>world because at some point I wasn't the most famous

0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:45.759
<v Speaker 1>in my city, my state, my nothing. I was right

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 1>there in the room and I was in last place. Right.

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Some of these, some of these right trophies was because

0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:55.279
<v Speaker 1>of whoever could last the longest, right, whoever can make

0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:56.879
<v Speaker 1>it to the last round. Right. And there's a lot

0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 1>of people who was better, quicker, faster, you know what

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, biggest support. But it's structure and ship like

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:03.200
<v Speaker 1>that mentor.

0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 2>When said it's a marathon, real I want. I want

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 2>to stay on the Kanye thing for a second because

0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:13.919
<v Speaker 2>somebody's view. I was talking to Enview this morning because

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:15.120
<v Speaker 2>I told him I was gonna be sitting with you,

0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 2>and he was like, yo, you know he he's one

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 2>of the promoters for the Kanye Show. And I said, oh,

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:23.080
<v Speaker 2>Rod out here moving different. I'm like, because you are

0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 2>you selling out your own should promoting shows for other artists?

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:29.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that's what That's what gave me the That's

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 1>what gave me not only the leverage, but that's what

0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 1>gave me the the knowledge, right because I had to

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.839
<v Speaker 1>I had to tear my touring business down right and

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 1>rebuild it right. And then I learned about touring. I

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 1>was in room, I was meeting people in leveraging relationships.

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:48.919
<v Speaker 1>So now I was learning right. So now I got

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 1>the confidence and I know, I know what I'm doing.

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:53.880
<v Speaker 1>We do this. We can do this for anybody smaller

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 1>up big here. Right, it's a simple equation, right, one

0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>plus one plus one, it's three. So it was a

0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 1>simple break down and that's what gave me the confidence

0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 1>to do it. So learning from road Waves touring business

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:08.320
<v Speaker 1>made me ready for the world. Now I feel like

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 1>I can throw a tour for the biggest artists in

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 1>the world, right, because just because I can't do it,

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean I can't get it done. You see what

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. And that's where the whole Kanye thing came from.

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.239
<v Speaker 1>And I just felt like, I want to test this

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 1>theory because you had these you had these moments in

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 1>your head where like, I try to be so humble

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:26.880
<v Speaker 1>to the point where I like I might have to

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 1>question myself. So if I started getting too arrogant, I'm like, well,

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I got this ship down pack. I'm like, but do

0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I really like it's people around me really just don't

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 1>want to tell me. Like, I got to test this theory.

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:39.080
<v Speaker 1>And that's what the whole Kanye thing was about. Like,

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:40.600
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I got this ship down to a

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.400
<v Speaker 1>science and it's but maybe it's only freaking for me

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:45.359
<v Speaker 1>because I'm the wrong way. But what if I try

0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with me nothing and I just test

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:51.080
<v Speaker 1>this theory? Right? And that's what the Kanye thing was about. Right.

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.919
<v Speaker 1>I leveraged my relationship and I booked the venue right,

0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 1>and then I then then I found the talent right,

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:01.520
<v Speaker 1>and we show structure to influences and the finances and

0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:02.160
<v Speaker 1>it worked.

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Why Kanye, I mean, I mean that's not why Kanye,

0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 2>because it's Kanye. But you know that could be risky.

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, and it wasn't nothing because I didn't bro

0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm such a Kanye fan and I'm such so out

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:18.560
<v Speaker 1>of tune. I didn't even understand right the details, but

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:24.640
<v Speaker 1>the out the the equation was find a building right

0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:27.960
<v Speaker 1>and do the marketing right, and then find the artist

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 1>that has a cult life fan base like people who

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.799
<v Speaker 1>like like love you like even if you make mistakes right,

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:38.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, they understand you're not perfectly understand where you

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.319
<v Speaker 1>add in life mentally right or whatever you're going through

0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:45.040
<v Speaker 1>physically emotionally right. But that was the equation, right, find

0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:47.239
<v Speaker 1>the building, put the team together, and now we need

0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 1>talent that has a colt life following, that has a

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:53.200
<v Speaker 1>fan base that just loves you. Thinking through right. And

0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:57.360
<v Speaker 1>that's why Kanye, because it was like my equation was, okay,

0:41:57.560 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 1>it's just working for rod Wave. But I got a

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:01.919
<v Speaker 1>different kind of fan and that was people always people

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:03.839
<v Speaker 1>to excuse on why it was different. Oh, he got

0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:06.160
<v Speaker 1>different kind of fans, right, So I was like, I

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:09.000
<v Speaker 1>want to try this and I take myself out the equation,

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:14.080
<v Speaker 1>but put something similar but bigger, right, try to put

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, we came up with Ya and it's crazy

0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 1>because he was the first idea, Like it wasn't even

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 1>like we thought about it and we came up with

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 1>nothing Like. It was like he was the first person

0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:26.160
<v Speaker 1>that I thought of, and that's what we did. And

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:28.759
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate him and I wish him the most luck.

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:30.560
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. It was it was successful.

0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 1>It was the biggest selling hip hop concert in history.

0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 2>So he came to you, you came in, I went

0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 2>and got it right. See that's dope too, though, man,

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 2>because it would take a black promoter to do that,

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 2>because nobody else was going to give him a shot

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:45.680
<v Speaker 2>at a time.

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 1>After Yeah, I feel like a lot of people just

0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 1>don't understand business, whether they fourteen or they forty or fifty,

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 1>like because our mentors have to tell us and explain

0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:57.719
<v Speaker 1>instead of trying to run the game. Like somebody got

0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 1>to be teaching us, what how does business work? You

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:03.239
<v Speaker 1>see what I'm saying. And maybe if people like you know,

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe people would understand. And that's why I wanted to

0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:10.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of like for myself, like I felt like people

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:14.000
<v Speaker 1>wasn't really trying to help me. They was trying to

0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 1>run the game on me, you know what I'm saying.

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 1>And that's what this whole Mainstay thing is about even

0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 1>my sport agency. Like you know, I want to help

0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:21.759
<v Speaker 1>the kid. I want to help the youth, and so

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:23.359
<v Speaker 1>we're going after the youth. You know what I'm saying.

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:26.360
<v Speaker 1>My film company, I want to get the youth involved,

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the young writers and directors, and you know what I'm saying,

0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 1>cast the mainstay distribution and publishing. I want to sign

0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:35.560
<v Speaker 1>the kids and actually help them build a fan base

0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 1>and build a touring a touring business. You know what

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. I want to actually take what I know.

0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying in my edge in the

0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 1>game and build build something. But help the youth, help

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 1>mentor help no matter no matter what you know, because

0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:50.880
<v Speaker 1>no matter how old you is, how young you is,

0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:53.319
<v Speaker 1>knowledge is power. You know what I'm saying. You got

0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 1>all the money in the world, you can have whatever,

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.920
<v Speaker 1>but knowledge is power. Like if you got a hundred

0:43:57.920 --> 0:43:59.879
<v Speaker 1>million and I got a hundred million worth of game.

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, My hundred men worth a

0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:05.040
<v Speaker 1>game might just hit that hundred mean about you, you

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:08.239
<v Speaker 1>see what I'm saying that, So your granddaddy could have

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:10.600
<v Speaker 1>gave you a hundred living right, but I got the game.

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:12.440
<v Speaker 1>In my head, he didn't give you the game. He

0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 1>just handed you down some money.

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:15.319
<v Speaker 2>And that game can flip that a hundred million, right,

0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:16.320
<v Speaker 2>a couple of hundred million.

0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Right, you see what I'm saying. So you got to

0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:20.680
<v Speaker 1>come to me because I got the key, so I

0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 1>ain't get the money. I didn't get the I didn't

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:24.920
<v Speaker 1>get into the family of whatever the case may be.

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:27.000
<v Speaker 1>But you don't know nothing with the money. So you

0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 1>got to come here, right, And that's just how the

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:31.120
<v Speaker 1>world work, you know what I'm saying.

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot I want to talk about

0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:35.560
<v Speaker 2>with that because mays stay, right, that's one of my

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:38.279
<v Speaker 2>favorite songs on the album. Why is that a thing?

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Why is it meanstay? Because that's your entertainment company now

0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:42.480
<v Speaker 2>as well? Why is that word.

0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Man it's a mainstay? Because I felt like it's symbolized

0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:48.839
<v Speaker 1>like it's so many like people that be just like

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 1>coming up in the round game. I feel like it's

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 1>so many people that was just in the way what

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:55.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, I just wasn't really trying to help or

0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:58.279
<v Speaker 1>just trying to like stick their fans and people. And

0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:01.440
<v Speaker 1>I feel like Mainstay was like or like whatever, whatever

0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 1>we can do whatever you're comfortable with, you know what

0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. And I feel like once you find a

0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:08.240
<v Speaker 1>home like that, like you don't got to look nowhere else.

0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 1>And once you find a partner, no matter what you do,

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:14.080
<v Speaker 1>whether we're a sport agent, right, whether we distribute your music,

0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:16.480
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, whether we distribute your content,

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:19.200
<v Speaker 1>whether we help manage you, whatever the case may be,

0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 1>I want to make it so suitable for you that

0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:23.920
<v Speaker 1>you feel so at home. And this your findal this

0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:26.880
<v Speaker 1>your mainstreak is where you This, where you laying at right,

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 1>this where you like. You know what I'm saying, You're

0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:32.279
<v Speaker 1>so comfortable. So that's that's that was, and that's the

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:35.680
<v Speaker 1>whole right angle for the whole company. Like I want

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:38.320
<v Speaker 1>to help, I want to you know what I'm saying,

0:45:38.719 --> 0:45:42.759
<v Speaker 1>because I still got so I don't gotta make you,

0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:44.319
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, I don't got to make all

0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 1>the money. I don't got to teach you out of nothing,

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 1>like you gonna know the deal from A to Z.

0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:51.240
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. You, I don't want nobody

0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:53.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna be feeling no kind of way because I mean,

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:56.160
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna learn everything and guess what, you can leave

0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:56.760
<v Speaker 1>it anytime.

0:45:57.160 --> 0:46:00.279
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying about the toy. There was

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.719
<v Speaker 2>a time where you was on tour and you had

0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Ari Lennox over and up. I think Ari is phenomenal,

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:09.839
<v Speaker 2>She's dope, but your crowd wasn't feeling all right?

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you do?

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Would you change that? In hindsight? Would you have made

0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:13.920
<v Speaker 2>a different decision?

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean not really, because I felt like Ari it

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 1>was dope. You know what I'm saying, Like you can't

0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:22.239
<v Speaker 1>you can't control. It's some things I just don't got

0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:24.680
<v Speaker 1>control over. You know what I'm saying already, So dope,

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. I thought she was just

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:29.000
<v Speaker 1>such a dope artist. I think she's such a dope artist.

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 1>So I was happy that I got to work with her,

0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. But it's demographics, you know

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:37.480
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. Like I just wanted to work with her,

0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:39.479
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. And I was excited about

0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:42.080
<v Speaker 1>working with her, right, And maybe you know what I'm saying,

0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:45.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe if you got if you gotta understand how demographics were,

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Like I got my demographic, you got your demographic, right,

0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 1>we got different crowds. You know what I'm saying. Like

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:52.719
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't thinking about that at the time, right, But

0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:54.799
<v Speaker 1>maybe that was like a management call or something like,

0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:56.480
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, that she you know what

0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, But I was excited to work with. I'm

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 1>glad I worked with. I want to work with again.

0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:03.759
<v Speaker 1>Say I had a good experience, and I wish her

0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 1>experience would have been better, you know what I'm saying.

0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:11.360
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, whatever, I don't, I don't, I don't. I

0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:12.359
<v Speaker 1>don't regret that though.

0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Did that make you realize your your taste maybe different

0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:15.760
<v Speaker 2>than your fans?

0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean everybody tastes different, man, everybody tastes different.

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:20.319
<v Speaker 1>Because you got to think about that a rod way.

0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 1>You show like it's older people, it's you know what

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:25.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, mid aged people is kids, is you know

0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. And like we talked about as a kid,

0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you don't you look at the world different, right, So

0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:34.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe like some of these kids, it is too it's

0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:38.080
<v Speaker 1>it's too shuffle, like it's all kinds of demographics in here, right,

0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 1>So it's hard to kind of like target your demographic

0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:44.400
<v Speaker 1>in a group full of six demographs. You know what

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:47.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, like six different types of people from no

0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:51.759
<v Speaker 1>matter what color, different ages, different shape, different however, different attitudes,

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:53.880
<v Speaker 1>different backgrounds.

0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:59.160
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, how as you know because because you mentioned Flip,

0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:01.360
<v Speaker 2>but you're also missing you know your aunt on the album.

0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:04.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, how have those losses changed the way you

0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:07.279
<v Speaker 2>move through life today? I thought you said your aunt

0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:17.440
<v Speaker 2>somebody on this album probably my fault Flip the same part.

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that last the last part of his life,

0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 1>like he flipped like another person.

0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:24.839
<v Speaker 2>But the people they say grief comes in waves, right,

0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:26.360
<v Speaker 2>have you found that to be true or does it

0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:26.719
<v Speaker 2>show up?

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.560
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy? Like, but I feel like when I first

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:33.600
<v Speaker 1>when it first happened, when I first when he first passed,

0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 1>like I was so in shock. I was like I

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:39.760
<v Speaker 1>was in shot, Like I couldn't even like I can't

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:41.960
<v Speaker 1>wrap my head, Like it felt like a dream. Right,

0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 1>so they like a year later to me, like a

0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:46.680
<v Speaker 1>year later, a couple of months later, like I find

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:50.920
<v Speaker 1>myself like damn, it is realized real life. They definitely

0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:51.600
<v Speaker 1>come my waves.

0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:55.400
<v Speaker 2>So man, as losing people change the way you change

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:58.399
<v Speaker 2>the way you approach your relationships with the people who

0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:01.240
<v Speaker 2>are still here, Like do you love differently.

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:04.319
<v Speaker 1>Nothing, Yeah, bro, because like I want to like I

0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:06.600
<v Speaker 1>want to have more fun, Like I want to be

0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:09.759
<v Speaker 1>more positive, I want to be more into now you

0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, I don't want to be like

0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:18.040
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, Tomorrow really not promised. I'm saying,

0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:21.520
<v Speaker 1>could we get so comfortable, Like we get so comfortable

0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:25.360
<v Speaker 1>in life? Right? We get so comfortable in our plans

0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:29.279
<v Speaker 1>and not knowing any day any moment, like in the

0:49:29.280 --> 0:49:31.920
<v Speaker 1>same way. So that really changed a lot though, like

0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:35.120
<v Speaker 1>the way I look at like try to just make

0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:35.919
<v Speaker 1>everything right.

0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:38.640
<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying, Yeah, we act like we got one

0:49:39.000 --> 0:49:43.080
<v Speaker 2>one more day, when really we got one less day.

0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Does does your own grief give you a deeper understanding

0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:52.960
<v Speaker 2>of what your your fans feel when they press play

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:54.719
<v Speaker 2>on your music? Because a lot of your a lot

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:56.799
<v Speaker 2>of your fans lean on your music through some of

0:49:56.840 --> 0:49:57.880
<v Speaker 2>their hardest moments.

0:49:57.840 --> 0:49:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Right right. And I feel like, you know, people relate

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:02.920
<v Speaker 1>to the people relate to this stuff different, Like it's

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:05.640
<v Speaker 1>all different, like like it's the same like's it's hitting

0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:08.359
<v Speaker 1>the same nerve, but it's all a case by case

0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:08.959
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying.

0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Do do you ever worry that fans only want like

0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 2>the broken version of the Broadway.

0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I do, but like I used to worry about that, right,

0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:21.920
<v Speaker 1>But it's like I want to be I want to

0:50:21.920 --> 0:50:23.480
<v Speaker 1>be a part of the I want to be a

0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:24.759
<v Speaker 1>part of the growth, Like I want to be a

0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:27.560
<v Speaker 1>part of the healing process. So it's like I wouldn't

0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:30.840
<v Speaker 1>be doing the justice like staying, you know, I should

0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:34.160
<v Speaker 1>be walking by setting an example, right, I should be

0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:37.239
<v Speaker 1>like trying to you know what I'm saying, help you

0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:39.400
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, heal or help you know what

0:50:39.400 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, grow, you know what I'm saying. So even

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:45.040
<v Speaker 1>if they feel that way, it's like that that that

0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:49.600
<v Speaker 1>that that shouldn't dictate like the the reality or the

0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:52.239
<v Speaker 1>pure pureness of what I'm feeling or what I'm saying

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:54.680
<v Speaker 1>out my mouth, Like I can't like, you know what

0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, aim it or because then they won't be real, right,

0:50:57.080 --> 0:50:59.279
<v Speaker 1>and then they probably won't even hit the same you

0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:01.400
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. I can't fake a emotion. I

0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:04.120
<v Speaker 1>can't faker I feeling, you know what I'm saying.

0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:06.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that you say that because a lot of artists,

0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:09.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, they wonder whether healing will will change the

0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:10.640
<v Speaker 2>connection with their audience.

0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Ye are other artists who just see, like see that

0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:16.279
<v Speaker 1>it's working for some people, and they try to like

0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:20.960
<v Speaker 1>do that. You know what I'm saying.

0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever gone to therapy or anything? Just great music,

0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:32.319
<v Speaker 2>great meal. Man, No, I hate the new album and sometimes, man,

0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:38.680
<v Speaker 2>it sounds like betrayal from people affected you more than

0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:40.719
<v Speaker 2>like poverty ever did.

0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Oh god, yeah, don't got because it's like poverty was,

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:49.319
<v Speaker 1>like poverty was like I don't, I don't mean use

0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:53.920
<v Speaker 1>that word. It's life, bro. This is how we like

0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:56.680
<v Speaker 1>when we think it's normal. It's you don't look at

0:51:56.680 --> 0:52:00.279
<v Speaker 1>it like poverty. It's normal real like it know you,

0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:04.719
<v Speaker 1>it's normal, Like I didn't know that my mama, Like

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 1>my mom worked our ass off. So like my whole family,

0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:09.919
<v Speaker 1>that's all they did. They all hustled, like from my

0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:11.960
<v Speaker 1>my now not to my grandma, to my mom and

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.880
<v Speaker 1>my dad, my cousin, my uncles, they all get up

0:52:14.920 --> 0:52:17.359
<v Speaker 1>and hustle. So I never even looked at it that

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:19.920
<v Speaker 1>way until I got to I mat today and I'm like, damn,

0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:22.520
<v Speaker 1>that's how you do that. That's the different way you're

0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:25.000
<v Speaker 1>doing shit. You know what I'm saying. But betrayal was

0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:31.240
<v Speaker 1>like betrail is deeper because poverty and I'm not speaking

0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:34.640
<v Speaker 1>to myself, but this poverty is something like you're born into,

0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, people try every day to change that.

0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Betrayal is like a decision, like a like a you know,

0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:45.040
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like an action. It's like a damn,

0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:48.799
<v Speaker 1>like all this over this, all that. Damn. It just

0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:51.840
<v Speaker 1>hit different. You know, I never thought I'm like that,

0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I can't blame nobody. You can't blame nobody for poverty,

0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:03.160
<v Speaker 1>right because that's like like what about who they blame it?

0:53:03.200 --> 0:53:06.719
<v Speaker 1>But betrayal, like you chose that, like you did that,

0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:09.319
<v Speaker 1>like that was your move. You you chose that move,

0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:13.960
<v Speaker 1>but it didn't choose poverty, you know, like you chose betrayal.

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Like it's so it hit different.

0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:17.960
<v Speaker 2>You ever thought about that with so man, your people

0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:20.640
<v Speaker 2>they waited to betray you when you got up, when

0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:22.640
<v Speaker 2>y'all was poor, it probably was all good your father

0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:27.840
<v Speaker 2>was in the hood. Yeah, your thought like why you

0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:29.840
<v Speaker 2>wait till now to betray Yeah.

0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:32.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean some people gotta they gotta have a motor

0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:36.239
<v Speaker 1>or they gotta have something to betrayal fold like but

0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:39.879
<v Speaker 1>once you see that like they would betray you, portray you, right,

0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:44.719
<v Speaker 1>and you realize that even in the beginning the relationship,

0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:47.759
<v Speaker 1>like the friendship or the partnership or the relationship, it

0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:51.439
<v Speaker 1>wasn't healthy because like you would have like you would

0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:53.279
<v Speaker 1>have did this not now like you would have did

0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:58.920
<v Speaker 1>it back then. Right, And maybe it was never healthy

0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:01.560
<v Speaker 1>to be in a partner ship or friendship or et cetera.

0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, that doesn't make you close yourself off to people, though.

0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:08.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean not really bro Because as much as I

0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:12.160
<v Speaker 1>complain about portrayal, like I can meet somebody in the

0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:16.960
<v Speaker 1>hallway and ninety days from now here you be working

0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:21.280
<v Speaker 1>for the company and they be gonna move to Georgia.

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:24.200
<v Speaker 1>It just be like that. So I let people hate,

0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:27.239
<v Speaker 1>let people hanging themselves. Man, I try to like give

0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:28.520
<v Speaker 1>people the benefit of the doubt.

0:54:29.440 --> 0:54:31.760
<v Speaker 2>How does it feel for rod Wave to open himself

0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:32.919
<v Speaker 2>up the actual love?

0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Man?

0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:38.240
<v Speaker 2>They're just really getting love from somebody or people in general.

0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:41.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel good. I love love, right, I love

0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:47.239
<v Speaker 1>love like, I love being being, I love love. I

0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:48.360
<v Speaker 1>feel feel good.

0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:50.560
<v Speaker 2>But what is love thought to you about yourself?

0:54:53.440 --> 0:54:56.200
<v Speaker 1>That that you gotta you gotta love yourself like but

0:54:56.360 --> 0:54:58.759
<v Speaker 1>you even understand what love is. You have to love

0:54:58.800 --> 0:55:03.000
<v Speaker 1>yourself because you might be looking at something as love,

0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:05.319
<v Speaker 1>but you can't really recognize it because you never saw

0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:07.600
<v Speaker 1>it before. So you got these things in your head

0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:10.960
<v Speaker 1>that you think is love. But if you love yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>then you will be able to recognize it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying clear as day, That's what I learned about love,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's start within, you know, and you gotta love yourself, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and whoever you're looking for, whoever trying to love you,

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<v Speaker 1>they gotta love theirself. We gotta love you, gotta be mutual,

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<v Speaker 1>and you gotta be with them, right.

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<v Speaker 2>That has becoming the father changed the way you think

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<v Speaker 2>about your own childhood?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly, Yeah for sure. I Like I said, like

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<v Speaker 1>when I was young, I was so dramatic, but when

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<v Speaker 1>I have my own kids, like understood my parents and shit, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What's something you making sure your children never got to

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<v Speaker 2>heal from.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like like going without like I can't, I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I can only brace them for the world like the

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<v Speaker 1>world is the world and their life gonna be their life, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But just I never want them to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>like I have to lean on nobody or like I

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<v Speaker 1>have to lose theyself for like money off finances and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like I want them to be able to live

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<v Speaker 1>they free life and do what they what they admire

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<v Speaker 1>to do and not what the world I want them

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<v Speaker 1>to do because of finance. So I never want I

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<v Speaker 1>never want them to go through that. But besides, like

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<v Speaker 1>life though, like they got to just go through it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying that two more questions. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you ever ask God?

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<v Speaker 1>Why me?

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<v Speaker 2>Not just for the blessings before the responsibility that comes

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<v Speaker 2>with who you are?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I mean alright, I understand, Like man, God

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<v Speaker 1>got a close relationship. Since I was young, I always

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this always. It's like this made me, This

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<v Speaker 1>made like how far came in life, made my faith

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<v Speaker 1>so strong. So I gotta I got a real understanding

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<v Speaker 1>on why me? You know what I'm saying, And I

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<v Speaker 1>I accept, I accept every responsibility that come with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>What does a peace look like for Rod wave.

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<v Speaker 1>Piece look like Matt, Me and Georgia. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. I'm in my big king bed, Me and

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<v Speaker 1>I ran the big castle. Cleaning lady just cleaned the

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<v Speaker 1>house up real good ac on sixty five. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. We got a we got a nice

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<v Speaker 1>little Apple TV show on. I mean, baby, just kick

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<v Speaker 1>watch TV laughing. That's when I be at real peace, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be real happy. Then in the morning, I got

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<v Speaker 1>a good motherfucking good day ahead of me, man, good

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<v Speaker 1>meetings at the office, good productive conversations. Whenever I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>that space, like whenever I'm like whenever I go home

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just in that world, like the space that

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<v Speaker 1>I've been in lately. Bro, It's like it's so peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>and happy, bro, Like just going home and watching TV,

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<v Speaker 1>simple shit, waking up, going to the office and being

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<v Speaker 1>productive with my time and building building my business. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just at peace with life, like I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>i I'm here now, like like I'm happy, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like I'm running from nothing. I'm running for something,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I feel at peace and just taking my time

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<v Speaker 1>and building what I'm building, building my team, building my company,

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<v Speaker 1>building my relationship. I just I feel so happy, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't gonna I feel so peaceful life any space

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<v Speaker 1>and life that I'm man, And that's what that's what

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<v Speaker 1>this is what that's what it looked like for me though,

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<v Speaker 1>it's at home freshot child, with the house that got

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<v Speaker 1>cleaned up. You already be watching a good TV show.

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<v Speaker 1>Good good day in the office, good day ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>me tomorrow. That's that's when i'm man. Man, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, my most piece.

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<v Speaker 2>Dam I'm happy for you, Rod. You represent us well. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>don't look down, brother.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes sir?

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<v Speaker 2>How long was it an hour?

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<v Speaker 1>What we got? An hour?

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<v Speaker 2>Seven minutes out of wrong way. That's we got hold

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<v Speaker 2>seven out of the wrong way. That's what's up. I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you mane yes, sir, absolutely, Man, no number bro.

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<v Speaker 1>So we want to I want to trumpet about you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, some show and you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a lot of ship in the in the can.

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<v Speaker 2>I met that ship. What I told you to, Man,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not a goofy like so you moved the right

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<v Speaker 2>way like that. All of these young people can learn

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<v Speaker 2>from how you out here moving. Sure you ain't horring

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<v Speaker 2>yourself out on social media, you know, like you let

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<v Speaker 2>it be about some music. That's that's that's that says

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<v Speaker 2>a lot

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<v Speaker 1>M