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Speaker 1: and tie Big Ten Preview Part three TWA twa TI.

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Speaker 2: We made it all the way through parts one parts

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Speaker 2: Go back and listen to part two so you can

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Speaker 2: hear us talk about Ohio State and Oregon and Michigan

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Speaker 2: and Iowa and a bunch of other teams. Today we've

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Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm excited. I'm enthusiastic. You did forget to

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Speaker 2: Do not lead people astray. These are, in many cases

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Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty thorough and people are going

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Speaker 2: If you only had to put seventeen seconds into Notre Dame,

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Speaker 1: I want more. I want more. I crave more Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, we got nine teams left. We're recording all

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Speaker 1: this is our Willis Reid game.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I've been studying this though for an eternity,

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Speaker 1: Where should we start? Where would you like to start

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Speaker 1: Penn State. Can we do that? Would that be so

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Speaker 2: Man, I'm ready, Okay, I'm ready for this Penn State season.

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Speaker 2: The over Unders ten and a half, they were ten

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Speaker 2: The frustration, of course, with Penn State. It was more

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Speaker 1: This is the year to.

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Speaker 1: They have one team on their schedule in Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: I would probably feel better about Penn States here as

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Speaker 1: Arguably Minnesota's biggest modern win was over Penn State's true

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Speaker 1: USC is fascinating, right because a lot of people, myself included,

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Speaker 1: actual dudes in this receiving room. The question then, is

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Speaker 1: what is the offense? If footprint look like, how is

438
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 1: we assume Miller Moss, what is he going to look like?

439
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: Not just in a bowl game against Louis but against

440
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: a much more difficult schedule than USC and USC's offenses

441
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 1: used to and alluded to this a little bit last year,

442
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 1: but like, they were a five hundred ish team last

443
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: year during the regular season and they built up that record.

444
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: I think they lost their final five of six. Those

445
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: early wins you're talking about, like crazy bad Stanford, crazy

446
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 1: bad Nevada, crazy bad Arizona State, Like they built that up.

447
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 1: The wins that they did have sort of unimpressively in

448
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: terms of opponent quality. So they're going to need to

449
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: take a big step forward this year as compared to

450
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Speaker 1: last year on both sides the ball. Even with the

451
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: offensive success with having Caleb Williams. Their schedule this year

452
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Speaker 1: is as I pull up my legal pad and that

453
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 1: legal pad, I love this thing, ty, I think it

454
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: was on with it on my second page. Yeah, my

455
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 1: legal pad has it takes longer to get through, but

456
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Speaker 1: I like it. They're at Washington, Nebraska, at UCLA and

457
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: Notre Dame to finish out the year, so they're gonna

458
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: need to get better by then. They open with LSU

459
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: in Vegas. Tie. Now, I also use defense. There's a

460
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: lot of work ahead of it as well. They have

461
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 1: Utah State, They're at Michigan relatively early on before they

462
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: host Wisconsin, so there are a lot of defenses on

463
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: this schedule. There's a lot of offensive firepower on this schedule,

464
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: and it's I won't say relentless, but I think the

465
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,959
Speaker 1: floor is going to be higher this year as compared

466
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 1: to where the PAC twelve was these past few years,

467
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: past couple of years with Lincoln Riley. Okay, I like them,

468
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 1: I actually do. And I said this before. They're like,

469
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going anywhere other than ten

470
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: and two or five and seven. Like I think Miller

471
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: Moss either has it or he doesn't. I'm not super

472
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:46,719
Speaker 1: confident on Jade Mayava, but like the depth is going

473
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: to be concerning near the end of the season. I

474
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Speaker 1: really believe that they host Penn State, which will be

475
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: interesting that stretch though near the even like Rutgers coming

476
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: across the country. It's it's not a gimme if you

477
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: can push USC around a little bit on each side

478
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: of the ball like a crazy injured Utah with Bryce

479
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: and Barnes went into LA and beat him last year.

480
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: I think there's just there's a lot here like the

481
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: stretch at Michigan, Wisconsin, at Minnesota, Penn State, at Maryland, Rutgers.

482
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm just reading a list of teams right now. At Washington,

483
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: then you get to buy before Nebraska, Ucla, Notre Dame.

484
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this team is built for man,

485
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: I really don't, and I think the defense will be improved.

486
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: I think the offense might even have a chance to

487
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: be improved.

488
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Speaker 2: What would you consider a success for Danton Lynn as

489
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: he comes in, because he was kind of like the

490
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: big highre and you know it made headlines that he

491
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 2: was hired away from UCLA to to run this operation.

492
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: Now you got nine starters back off a defense that

493
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Speaker 2: I won't play my mister Softystown or mister softy sound.

494
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Speaker 2: We're already pretty deep into this conversation, but you're kind

495
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Speaker 2: of soft. What really bistically speaking, Is it a points

496
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: per game thing? Is it a line of scrimmish thing

497
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: against the run? Like, what is it specifically that you'd

498
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 2: be looking for? And if we got.

499
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Speaker 1: Six weeks into the season, you'd be like, oh, yeah,

500
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: this is better. No conversation about USC's defense, right, it's

501
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: not just a you know, overflowing with praise about Like

502
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: if we're just not talking about USC's defense collectively as

503
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: a college football universe, I think that's a huge step forward.

504
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: You could also say that the same thing that Brian

505
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: Farrence he had got held in front of him. If

506
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: USC can allow twenty five ish points a game, I

507
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: think they were around thirty four to thirty five last year.

508
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: If they can do a reverse Brian, yeah, that's a success.

509
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: USC fans would take that in a heartbeat. So that

510
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: would put them at around sixtieth in the country from

511
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Speaker 1: last year's numbers. That'd be great. Last year there were

512
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty first at thirty four point four, right,

513
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: that's USC. So well, if Miller Moss works out, he

514
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: was accurate. He threw a bunch of touchdowns against Louisville

515
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: and the Holiday Bowl. If he works out, they're gonna

516
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: win a bunch of games. If the defense is okay,

517
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna win a bunch of games. And I think

518
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: the defense and it's not just Danton Lynn, right, it's

519
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: Eric Henderson up front, a bunch of NFL experience, Matt Enz,

520
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: the North Dakota State coach, coaching linebackers, Doug Belk, who

521
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: was at Houston super well regarded as a secondary's coach.

522
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: I think the defensive coaching staff is really good. I

523
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: just I don't think they've built up the actual roster,

524
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: both through recruiting and in the portal, enough to make

525
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: me feel good about the defense fully on this schedule. Okay,

526
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: let's talk about Nebraska now, let's do it. Five and

527
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: seven last year under Matt Ruhle. I think as I

528
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: went back through, it.

529
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Speaker 2: Was way better than I expected. They were five and

530
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Speaker 2: three headed into November. They lost four straight to Michigan State, Maryland,

531
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Speaker 2: Wisconsin in Iowa, all by one score, mind you.

532
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Speaker 1: With no offense. Basically yeah, no offense. They were a

533
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: dreadful half team.

534
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: They were one hundred and fourth in SP plus offense,

535
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: sixth in SP plus defense.

536
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: They needed a quarterback, they needed better line play, and

537
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: I am hopeful that they are going to get both. Okay,

538
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: this season, the reason.

539
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: That they're over under a seven and a half is

540
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Speaker 2: because Vegas thinks maybe they did find both.

541
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Speaker 1: Again.

542
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: This is what Matt Ruhle does. This is why we

543
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: like the higher. This is what this dude does. He

544
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: builds methodically from the inside out. It's not always sexy,

545
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: but that is the template, and he's done it more

546
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: than once.

547
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: He is doing it again.

548
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: I think he is doing it quicker at Nebraska because

549
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: now he is coaching in the era of the transfer

550
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: portal and nil and you could patch holes a little

551
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: bit quicker than he could when he was down at Baylor.

552
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 2: Now the whole line is back. They only added skill

553
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: talent to the roster, and they've added Dylan Rayla to

554
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: the mix. I do not want to make this whole

555
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: preview about Dylan Royola. It's gonna end up being a

556
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: preview about Dylan Royola. Okay, Dylan Royola was the top

557
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: quarterback this cycle. Do you know how exciting that is

558
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: for Nebraska?

559
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: Huge? Yeah. No, not just to get a guy like that.

560
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 2: Obviously, if he plays well, that's great, that's what your

561
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 2: hope is. But if you get one guy like that,

562
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: and if he builds excitement around the program, it makes

563
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: it so much easier that you can get other.

564
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: Guys like that.

565
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 2: This is not the easiest place in the world to recruit, too,

566
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: they all know that, but getting a guy at this caliber,

567
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: I know he's a legacy, but getting him to come there.

568
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: If he does well there, if Nebraska starts winning success

569
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: breed success, you will get other guys. It will accelerate

570
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 2: that process, that template, that formula for Matt rule. That

571
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: is what they are banking on. That is what I

572
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: am hoping will happen for Nebraska this season. He's going

573
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: to start day one. He played in the spring. You

574
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: and I both got the vapors. I thought he looked

575
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: the part. Yeah, just from what we could see. You

576
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: hate to put it all on a true freshman, but

577
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: I'm kind of basing everything on a true freshman. Dan

578
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: if he's legit. If you look at this skin, pull

579
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: the schedule up while.

580
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm vamping here, I'm right here. I'm on it.

581
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: Could Nebraska not start seven to zero against that team,

582
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: against that roster of teams?

583
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're banking on a bunch of these

584
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: teams being a little bit less than I think you

585
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: think they'll be depending on what you think of Colorado, Illinois, Purdue, Rutgers. Indeed,

586
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: even if he's shaky, though, even if he's shaky, could

587
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: they start five and two? Sure? Yeah, absolutely. It seems

588
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: very gettable to me.

589
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: So I look at this and I would bet almost

590
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: any This is not the bet, by the way, yeah,

591
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: because the over under seven and a half. So me

592
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: saying this is not exactly going out in a limb,

593
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: but I would bet almost anything that Nebraska goes back

594
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: to a bowl game this year for the first time

595
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: in forever.

596
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: Okay, and that's progress for this team. That is progress. Yes,

597
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: you asked me a question during a couple of different

598
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: previews about what happens if the starting quarterback gets hurt. Well, yeah,

599
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: I know, I know, So okay, I don't want that

600
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: to happen. Obviously, I don't want that to happen. Sure,

601
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: is there a situation a day one true freshman starting

602
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: quarterback that really worked out tremendously at a big place

603
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 1: that you can point to. They're few and far between.

604
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: That's that Sam Howell start day one? Is he a

605
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: true freshman he.

606
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: Took I'm blanking here on the spot, but I know

607
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: enough to say that it's few and far between.

608
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did. He did start as a

609
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: true freshman Sam Howel.

610
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: So, like the hope would be that this kid is

611
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: just he's built different, he's different. He's good Day one.

612
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: He comes right right into the fire and he's ready

613
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: for it. And you know, spring games only count for

614
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: so much. You look wise beyond his ears, you look like, sure,

615
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: obviously can make the throws. Physically, he seems ready, yep,

616
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: But when you start seeing the live bullets fly, it's

617
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: a different ball wax altogether.

618
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: That's true.

619
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Speaker 2: I feel pretty confident that Nebraska is going to get

620
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: back to a bowl game. I feel confident saying that

621
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: because it's not just a lot back on offense plus

622
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: a better quarterback. The defense also has a ton back

623
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: and they were outstanding last year. They want at the

624
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: point of attack, They're very physical. I think that trend's

625
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: going to continue, especially with Matt Ruhle. Again, this is

626
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: what he does. And there just are many teams in

627
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: the front half of their schedule anyway that I think

628
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: can deal with Nebraska's defense, like maybe Colorado.

629
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: Colorado will be an interesting game. The game against Rutgers

630
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: is going to be a war.

631
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: I'll talk about Rutgers next, but I I don't have

632
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: a whole lot of reason to doubt Nebraska this year.

633
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: I doubt that they're going to get the nine wins,

634
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: but in terms of getting to six seven wins, I.

635
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: Feel very confident that that's going to happen.

636
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: I don't know about the over under. I'm I don't

637
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: want to like jinx anything. You know, I'm good at that.

638
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: So if if they're held back by something, if they

639
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: lose to somebody, they shouldn't. And it's not a Riola thing,

640
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: right that he is not necessarily like as expected by

641
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: Nebraska fans, But he's really promising for a true freshman.

642
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: What's holding them back? Like, who's catching the passes that

643
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: scares you? Who is you know, the skill talent? Who

644
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: is the edge rusher? Like? What is what is that grouping?

645
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: Otherwise other than a schedule that you are pointing to

646
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: as advantageous, is the what is the gap? Well, I mean, look,

647
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: it's hard to say, based on what we saw last.

648
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: Year what to expect with what's coming back this year. Like,

649
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is inference and assumption, sure,

650
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: because when you have a quarterback situation, I don't want

651
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: to put on any one guy. But the quarterback situation

652
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: was very bleak last year, and as a result, they

653
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: didn't get much through the air. The line play was

654
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: equally as bad a year ago. I mean, that might

655
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: have been the catalyst for at least part of why

656
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: offense was so bad a season ago. It just affected everything.

657
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: And so now coming into this year, like, I look

658
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: at what they have coming back, and I feel somewhat

659
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: optimistic that they're going to run the ball better. I

660
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: feel somewhat optimistic that with some of the talent that

661
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: they have gotten out wide, they'll be able to pass

662
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: it better. It just seems like the talent level as

663
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: a whole has been elevated, and it may not fall

664
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: on any one person, but the collective, the aggregate, to

665
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: quote your favorite moneyball scene, Yeah, will be better than

666
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,239
Speaker 2: pretty much the entirety of what had what Nebraska had

667
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: an offense last season.

668
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. If they don't win seven games this year, I

669
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: think it's a failure. Yeah, I think seven's that number

670
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: to me? What's the under number?

671
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: Seven and a half? Yeah, So do you have them

672
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: going over I have them seven and five. Okay, so

673
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: I'm confident in seven to five, really confident a Bowl game.

674
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: I'm not confident in the over. Well, I guess what

675
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: I'm most curious to see. I'm just thinking about your

676
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: question here a little bit more.

677
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm most curious to see deep threats in the

678
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: passing game.

679
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 2: Okay, Like they brought Isaiah and Air up from Texas. Yeah,

680
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: he's a guy that we you know, we've talked about

681
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: him for three years now. Maybe Malachi Coleman, Pops. Maybe

682
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: it's Jamal Banks who comes in from Wake Forest. Guys

683
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: who have some experience and some size, like they've just

684
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: gotten better at acquiring that talent. Yeah, think you put

685
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: that around Royola. The hope is that the whole thing

686
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 2: gets better. Okay, I'm excited about this. I'm very interested

687
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: in Nebraska.

688
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: I see at Iowa, at USC at Ohio State, at

689
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: Wisconsin all like within a month. I know, I know

690
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: that's gonna be tricky, but I don't know, man, Like

691
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: it's on a certain level. And this is also true

692
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin. We're like, yes, Nebraska's defense was very good

693
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: in promising last year. Yes, Wisconsin's defense was very good

694
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: in promising last year as we expected, right, Luke Fickle

695
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: Matt Ruhle, Like they have good defenses. These are places

696
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: that have recently had some pretty good defenses, and then

697
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: you look at the quarterbacks they played last year. I know, like,

698
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: we think this defense is strong, but man, I all

699
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: due respect to like what Illinois and Minnesota and stuff

700
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: we're offering, but like both of these teams played like

701
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: nine sub one hundred offenses. So yeah, that's that's the

702
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: trouble where you're just like, yeah, Dylan Ryolan a pretty

703
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: good defense, You're just like, Okay, it's it's still a gamble.

704
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I am all in on the red

705
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: teams in the Big Ten this year, with the exception

706
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: of Maryland. Yeah, it sounds like it. I'm really in

707
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: in Ohio State USC Does that count Cardinal I'm.

708
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: Not really in on them, but I'm in on Nebraska,

709
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: somewhat in on Wisconsin, I'm somewhat in on Indiana.

710
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm really in on Minnesota. Rutgers. That brings us to Rutgers,

711
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: the Red Goods sick. Yeah over under his six. I

712
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: am pushing all the chip, all the chips into the center.

713
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: Every Big Ten team is winning seven eight games, Tye

714
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: is tens market.

715
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: No, I'm not doing yeah, yeah, I'm not doing that. Okay,

716
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: I am all in though, I'm this is love it.

717
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: This is really bad.

718
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: This is going to come back to bite me. Thankfully,

719
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: there aren't a lot of controversial Rutgers people out there

720
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: on the interwebs, and I think my assumption is that

721
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: they'll just be happy I'm saying nice things about Rutgers

722
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 2: instead of trying to dunk on them. Seven and six.

723
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: Last year, beat Miami in the Pinstripe Bowl. Did they

724
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: start this year? There is a ton back. They are

725
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: thirteenth in returning production, pretty much the whole line, but

726
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: most importantly, Kyle Manangai.

727
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: He is back.

728
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 2: He is their one thousand yard running back who could

729
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: have gone pro but did not. He isn't just their

730
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: best offensive player. He is the heart and soul of

731
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: this offense through which the whole damn project is going

732
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 2: to flow, Which really got me to thinking, he's your

733
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: manang guy. I'm a PA guy, that's true Pennsylvania guy.

734
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: When I hear Manongai, I immediately think of the Manonga

735
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: Heila River, as I think everybody coast to coast everybody does,

736
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: of course, western part of the state. But I've I've

737
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 2: been on the Monongahela on a boat. It's a river

738
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: that rolls off your tongue. A Nonhuila has a certain

739
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: grander to it, does it not?

740
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: Of course? I mean who among us hasn't vacationed on

741
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: the what did you? Monongahla Manongahila? Yeah?

742
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: Of course we wearn't it in geography class all the time. Sure,

743
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: it's a river known for its strength. It's a river

744
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: known for the way that it carves through the western

745
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania landscape. And I would add in folklore there is

746
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: a mysterious creature called the Monongahila monster that.

747
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: Inhabits the river. Okay, it's a true thing. I didn't

748
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: make that up. He goes, Kyle Manangai from this area

749
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: of the world I.

750
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: Have he's from, I can tell you, yeah, is not Pennsylvania.

751
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: The Manongahila is way too catchy for any kind of nickname.

752
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

753
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: I'd like to start calling Kyle Manangai the Heela Monster

754
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: with a G h e l A monster, part man,

755
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 2: part legendary beast, part force of nature, part.

756
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: You don't know when this guy is gonna jump up

757
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: and get you. But the HeLa you're talking about the

758
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: Heela Monster, that's g I l a. I'm spelling it differently, Dan,

759
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: you're spelling it different. This is so interesting.

760
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: Work with me, Kila monster for this guy.

761
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: Okay, he's he's from Roseland, New Jersey, not terribly far

762
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: from Orange around the corner. Yeah, sure, of course. Are

763
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: you with me on this endeavor? Ty? I of course

764
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: I am. I don't understand it, but I'm here to support.

765
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: You, and I don't think you need to understand it.

766
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: It's more of an abstract concept.

767
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: Man, it's real stretch. I'm gonna tell you that this

768
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: is You really had to take me for a journey

769
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: to get there. But okay, people in Western PA are

770
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: going just ape shit over this.

771
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: The Rutgers fans, the Rutgers faithful gathering at a bar in.

772
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh are losing their minds at this idea. Continue what else?

773
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: What else is there to say? I don't schedule wise,

774
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: defense wise, where are they matching up?

775
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: They? They have a lot back in the form of

776
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: Christian Dremmel out wide, who if he pops, we can

777
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: start calling him the drumo tool.

778
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: That's another one. Rutgers has a bunch of these guys.

779
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: Nis Seem Bradley who transferred in last year, but the

780
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: NCAA didn't let him play. He's eligible this year. And

781
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: now their quarterback is a thing. Caliac Manis, so I

782
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: mentioned him when I talked about Minnesota in part two.

783
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: He has to elevate the passing game more than it

784
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 2: was last year under Gavin wims At.

785
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: He just has to.

786
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: He has to. Okay, he can't be worse. Gavin Wimstt

787
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: was not very good as a passer. This guy's better.

788
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: And I think that's the reason why whim's At transferred

789
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: because he knows that Aithan kliak manis the Greek rifle

790
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: as we call them, Greek freak on this show. He's

791
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: got to be better. Rutgers is dangerous because they are

792
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: built specifically to line you up and beat your brains

793
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: in with the heel monster. And now they've got a

794
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 2: quarterback in caliak Manis. Transfers in, reunites with Kirk Sharaka.

795
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: I should have had the sound on the board.

796
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: I didn't put on the board. Thank you.

797
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: Reunites with his former offensive coordinator Kirk Sharaka. I think

798
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 2: they will be targeted in how they use the pass,

799
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: but I think they will be better at using the

800
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: pass to make this offense a little bit better. He's

801
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: also mobile enough that he can get out if they

802
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: need to move the pocket. I think Rutgers is seriously

803
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: a danger if they can find a passing game. If

804
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: they can find a passing game in addition to what

805
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: they're gonna do with Kyle Managai aka heel Monster in

806
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: the ground, that makes this a pretty dangerous team. If

807
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: they can't find a passing game, that's a separate issue altogether.

808
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: That's the danger to themselves. That's the danger to themselves.

809
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: But am I reading this correctly? That they don't play Michigan,

810
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Oregon, or Penn State. They do not play

811
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 1: They missed the entirety of our perceived top tier.

812
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 2: They do not play any of the perceived top teams

813
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: in the Big Ten. Now, each starters back on defense

814
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: could finish as a top twenty defense.

815
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, man, what I'm what I'm hearing is,

816
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: if not now, when Rutgers the year kind of yeah, okay,

817
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: I appreciate that kind of You know why shine on

818
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: the Scarla Knights fotis why eight four Rutgers over over

819
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: six Rutgers. Now they do travel to Virginia Tech early,

820
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: which is one of the tougher non conference games that

821
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: anybody has in the country. Yeah, but well man, it's

822
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: pretty good at sc at Maryland at a retooling machine state.

823
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: You think he wants to play the heel of monster.

824
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 2: You think that defense is built to contain the heel

825
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 2: a monster.

826
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of people, a lot of running backs,

827
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: get a lot of exercise against some recent USC defenses. Okay,

828
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna play slow and low to the ground and

829
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: be annoying as all get up. Okay, but they're going

830
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: over that six. I thought you were gonna go something

831
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: like Kyle Driver or something like that, with like a

832
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: just a closer connection to his name.

833
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: I require a storytelling journey when I'm coming up with

834
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: my names, much like the Duke of Hazard Allen Wizard.

835
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, but that's like a quick little Chris

836
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: Berman style nickname. What's wrong with the heelo monster? You

837
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 1: just got to make a couple connections to it. People

838
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: have to appreciate the topography of Western Pennsylvania, which do

839
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: it Ford in the yarn and Rutgers or this specific player.

840
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: I told this one is solid.

841
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: Wife Kate, you know I've been consulting with her on

842
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: all of my nicknames. Yeah, and she didn't say anything.

843
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: She just looked at me and shook her head. That

844
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: was part of her vows as well. It wasn't that

845
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: we talked about the Monoga Heel and the vows of course.

846
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, that's not even It's not even in

847
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: that state.

848
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: No, it isn't. But now it is the heel monsters

849
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: in the state of New Jersey. Can't wait.

850
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: I need to rest my voice when you want to

851
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: talk about next, I've been yelling too much.

852
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: I guess let's talk about who Rutgers ends their storied

853
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: season against. Which with Michigan State. Ah. I think Michigan

854
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: State's pretty fascinating. They lose ninety nine players to the portal.

855
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: Is that the actual number or is that just what

856
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: it felt? No, it might as well be. I think

857
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: it's like thirty eight is a lot of dudes fleeing

858
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: East Lansing. So I like Jonathan Smith as a coach

859
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: a good deal. I think he's savvy for what he does,

860
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: hiring what he does, recruiting what he does in the portal.

861
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: I think he gets a lot out of his rosters.

862
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: He's shown it these past couple of years. I like

863
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: that he's a Chris Peterson guy. There's just a lot

864
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: to like about him. Everybody I know that has been

865
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: around him as really great things to say. He's got

866
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: an uphill battle this year. I like Aiden Schiles one

867
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: of the most valuable players in the portal, given what

868
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: he showed as a true freshman and the eligibility he

869
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: has left. These next couple of years, they lost a

870
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: lot of guys. Yeah, this is one of the most

871
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: absolute disappointing worst offenses in America last year. Not Naden

872
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: Chiles offense, not a Jonathan Smith offense. They I think

873
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: the assistants are solid. Brian Lindgren is going to run

874
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: the offense for Sparti and Joe Rossi coming over from Minnesota,

875
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: is going to run the defense. They've been aggressive in

876
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: the portal, especially upfront on defense. Numbers aren't there. I

877
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: don't think the numbers are there this year. I think

878
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: it's going to be a disappointing year. They need a

879
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: lot more offensive pop. I think there's a little bit

880
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: of promise at running back, but the receiver room needs improvement.

881
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: I just think the defense needs a full overhauling.

882
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: But there's ten starters back on defense, Like, it's not great,

883
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: a fully new cast of characters.

884
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: It was a bad defense. But yes, no, it'll be

885
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: an improved team. It will be an improved defense. It's

886
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: just a numbers thing right now. How do you feel

887
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: about this? Over under a five? That felt kind of

888
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: high to me when I saw the number at first.

889
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: So they have Maryland early on. But in terms of

890
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: non conference FAU, Prairie View, A and m Boston College,

891
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: they need to win all three of those. Yeah, after

892
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: that their stretch of Hey, welcome to the Big Ten

893
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: and welcome to East Lansing. Jonathan Smith Ohio State, Oregon A, bye, Iowa, Michigan.

894
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: With both Oregon and Michigan on the road. Wow, If

895
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: they win the three non conference games, which is a

896
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 1: big if. I think at Boston College for where Michigan

897
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: State is, could be challenging. But let's say they win

898
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: those three games. You add in maybe Indiana at home

899
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: by then there's something there. Maybe Purduer Rutgers at home.

900
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: You're still talking about five ish, so that number feels

901
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: about right, and I think those teams are just clearly

902
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: better built, even perdue in this moment. You don't want

903
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: to bet that over. I don't think I'm betting. I

904
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: think it's a bad over.

905
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: Bill Connolly, who of course runs the projections with his

906
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 2: sp plus metric, has them at an average of four

907
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 2: point four wins, more specifically two point three conference wins.

908
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: So to that point, if they win all three of

909
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: those non conference games and win two conference games, then

910
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: maybe they get two five. But in terms of getting

911
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: over five, it seems like it's a stretch.

912
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it would basically take Aidan Childs being

913
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: the most electric quarterback in this conference for them to

914
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: go to a bowl. To me, this year, I just

915
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: think I see a lot of promise with Jonathan Smith,

916
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: this coaching staff, some of the moves they made in

917
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: the off season on both sides of the ball. But

918
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: to get to a bowl game, I think it's a

919
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five conversation. You want to keep going. You

920
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about Washington would love

921
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: to Washington is the team, and we've had this conversation before.

922
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: They're the team I like more than I thought I would,

923
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: And as I said in part one, I'm trying to

924
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: just look at them for what they are instead of

925
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: looking them for what they lost, because when it's a

926
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: new coach and you lose like all of your starters.

927
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy. They're dead last in returning production on offense.

928
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: It is a literal reboot. They lose all eleven starters

929
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 2: from a year ago. The only two returning starters are

930
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: Will Rogers and Jeremiah Hunter, and both those guys transferred

931
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 2: in and on defense, like I said back in part one,

932
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 2: not quite as decimated, but still just two guys back

933
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 2: on the defense from last year's team. Then they brought

934
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: in two other guys are who are transfers, Yeah, from Arizona,

935
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: who are good from Arizona.

936
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: And like I like jet Fish.

937
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: I think he's a good coach, and I think if

938
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: he is there long enough at Washington, he will get

939
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: them playing at a really high level.

940
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: Again.

941
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 2: I think they could start out four and oh this year.

942
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: I also believe they're gonna lose at Rutgers in Week four,

943
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: but I'm perhaps a little too heavy on Rutgers this season.

944
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: They could they absolutely could.

945
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: I just look at this team and I see so

946
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: much turnover new coach. Even if you feel good about

947
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: what they've got coming back, you know, and what they

948
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: brought in via the transfer portal, I'm is like seven

949
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 2: and five at best for me, I think that's reasonable.

950
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: I look, if their offensive line works out, which is

951
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: a big if that's the endanger thing, right, danger in danger,

952
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: It's gonna come down to offensive line to make because

953
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: I think the defense will be all right. I don't

954
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: like the the Brennan Carroll Steve Belichick thing. I don't know,

955
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: we'll see. I think there are enough quality bodies on

956
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: this defense to make it okay. Offense, if the line

957
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: is bad, they're not gonna do much if the line

958
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: is okay. Giles Jackson, Jeremiah Hunter, Joonah Coleman like, these

959
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: are guys who have put up numbers, who have been

960
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: successful players for successful teams or at least successful offenses.

961
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you can consider Cal with

962
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Hunter a successful team. Like yeah, I like where

963
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: they're at. I really do. It's gonna take a minute

964
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: to get this line. Jed Fish's recruiting, so you're talking

965
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: about you know, twenty five, twenty six, if he's still there.

966
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: I like the direction. I think they're pointed in the

967
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: right way. Will Rodgers is a real quarterback. I think

968
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: you're right to say seven and five feels about appropriate

969
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: given what's returning. There's still enough there that played significant snaps,

970
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: especially on this defense, and that played for Arizona's much

971
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: improved defense. I just I don't hate them. I don't

972
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 1: love them. I don't hate them. I think they're gonna

973
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: go to a bowl game. The non conference schedule is

974
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: now an Apple Cup situation. It's in Seattle, but not

975
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: in Husky Stadium. It's where the Seahawks play. They're on

976
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: the road a bunch in the medy middle part of

977
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: the schedule, the stretch of having you know, at Rutgers,

978
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: going across the country, coming back to play Michigan, leaving

979
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: again to play the Iowa defense on the road. It's

980
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: gonna be a tough November USC at Penn State, UCLA

981
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: at Oregon. But if everything is so of a bee,

982
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: seven five feels about right, Maybe even a chance at

983
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: eight and four, but it's definitely going to be a

984
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 1: pretty giant step back from where they were last year.

985
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to try my best this year to not

986
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: make constant jokes about Jedfish taking the Florida job when

987
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 2: it comes open.

988
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: They probably would appreciate that, Washington fans. I'm going to

989
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: try not to do that. I've been doing that since

990
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: the moment he took this job.

991
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 2: I just I want to be able to say I

992
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: told you so when it happens, because I believe it

993
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 2: will happen. But yeah, I also don't want to beat

994
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: a dead horse with this. And to your point, let's

995
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: let's appreciate Washington for what they are, not what they

996
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: were what they could be in twenty twenty five.

997
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: Just yeah, I stay in the moment. There is something

998
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: about what Jedfish did at Arizona. And now granted it

999
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: was over like you know, three or four years, but

1000
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: there is something about the hires he had, and you know,

1001
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: I think it was what when he got the job,

1002
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: it was Don Brown who was quickly their defensive coordinator,

1003
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: and I think Donnie Nansen did a nice job with

1004
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: that defense. And you know, it's Jedfish's offense, which skews

1005
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more pro style, but like even before

1006
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: Noah Fafida and Jaden de Laura, like you could see

1007
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: the bones of something interesting even with was it Jordan

1008
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: McLeod the year before that, Like you're like, man, they're

1009
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: just converting third and fours more often than a bad

1010
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: team should. And so it's a weird, backhanded compliment way

1011
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: of putting it. But like, I think he's a quality coach,

1012
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: and I think his starting point is a lot better

1013
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: than what it was at Arizona. Even though Arizona's better

1014
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: than Washington right now, I think that counts for something.

1015
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be a challenging team that is

1016
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: going to if they lose, the loose to better teams.

1017
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: If they win, they're gonna win because they have decent players,

1018
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: and I think they're going to scheme wisely. All right,

1019
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: let's talk about Maryland. Let's argue about it. Okay, well, look,

1020
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: you have much more ground to stand on because I

1021
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: haven't done any Maryland deep dives. But continue the Maryland

1022
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: deep dive.

1023
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: Is this it's a good news bad news situation and

1024
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: I mentioned it a little bit on part one. The

1025
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: good news is that it's a good front seven, and

1026
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 2: I think that's the strength of the team. They also

1027
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: miss Ohio State and Michigan on their schedule, which is

1028
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: again a change for a school like Maryland, which is

1029
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: used to being in the Big Ten East and in

1030
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 2: any given year you got to play Ohio State, Michigan,

1031
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 2: Penn State. Makes it hard for anyone to get ahead.

1032
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 2: So Maryland is another team. I'm not saying they're a

1033
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: playoff team. I know they're not a playoff team. They

1034
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: definitely benefit from a little bit more scheduling flexibility moving forward,

1035
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 2: certainly this year, certainly in the future as well. The

1036
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: bad news though, is I it feels to me like

1037
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 2: the offense is starting over, and especially on the offensive line,

1038
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,959
Speaker 2: So defensive line in front seven, relative strength, offensive line

1039
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: and just offense as a whole, I think is a

1040
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: relative weakness. Tua Tungua Vailoa did not play for Maryland.

1041
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: No, his brother did. Though t lea Tale is a

1042
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: really good intro. Though I appreciated that I caught myself

1043
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: a tried to recover. I was gonna say, like Tua

1044
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: Tongue of Ailoa, I did it. Probably has good memories

1045
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: of playing with Mike Loxley way back at Alabama.

1046
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: I screwed up, all right, It's okay. To Leah Tongue

1047
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 2: of Iiloa. Yeah, had a decorated career. Finally gone, leaves

1048
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: a huge hole at quarterback for Maryland to try and fill.

1049
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: Now. I think it's going to be MJ.

1050
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: Morris who transferred in from NC State, but also Billy

1051
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: Edwards who you mentioned, and Cameron Edge that both those

1052
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: guys are in the mix as well. Whoever plays quarterback

1053
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 2: is going to have ty Felton Caden Prather out wide,

1054
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: which is a pretty good tandem. I feel okay about that.

1055
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: Roman Hamsby back at running back. I feel okay about

1056
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 2: that too. I don't think Maryland is short on skilled

1057
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: position guys. I'm just not sure that the offensive line

1058
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 2: is going to be there to support any kind.

1059
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: Of step forward.

1060
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: So that's my hesitation with the offense. The line, it's

1061
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: a line thing. I do think the front seven will

1062
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: be really good, albeit without a gravitational pass rusher.

1063
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: Maryland likes to blitz.

1064
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 2: It'll be important that they can in you getting home

1065
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: the way they did last year because the secondary, my

1066
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: man has some questions. Okay, all right, that is my

1067
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 2: Maryland skepticism. It is a very lumpy team. It is

1068
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 2: good at the skill positions, but battle on the offensive line.

1069
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 2: It is good along the defensive line and in the

1070
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: linebacking corps, but kind of shaky on the back end

1071
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 2: of that defense. There are very specific ways that you

1072
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: can attack these this team, excuse me, and I'm inclined

1073
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 2: to say they go under this season because if you

1074
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: look at that schedule, again, not bad.

1075
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: Feels to me like they start.

1076
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: Six and oh and finish oh in six, like Syracuse

1077
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 2: did a couple of years ago. What We've had teams

1078
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: that do this every year. Yeah, but I think they

1079
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 2: come out of the gates hot and they sort of

1080
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 2: crawl to the finish line, make a bowl.

1081
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: Six and six. The first part of their schedule is

1082
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: pretty great. It's great, which is why is why are

1083
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: you saying six and oh? I understand six and oh.

1084
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think they might by the time

1085
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: they yet to USC at Minnesota, getting Rutgers in Iowa

1086
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 1: at home, I think they'll have a more complete picture.

1087
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: You don't like them as much as I do. I

1088
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: just think they can win seven or eight. I really do.

1089
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a bad team, and I feel

1090
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: like in part one I almost alluded to the fact

1091
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: that they were a very bad team because I put

1092
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: them in a bad but spicy tier to start, and

1093
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: then we change it to flawed but spicy, and they

1094
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: were near the bottom of the conference.

1095
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: And I there is upward.

1096
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: Mobility here, but it is very line dependent. And whereas

1097
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 2: you can go out and get a transfer quarterback or

1098
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 2: running back or receiver and an edge rusher, you can't

1099
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: really go out and just build a line in the portal.

1100
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: Dion tried it. It didn't work last year. Maybe it'd

1101
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: be better this year. Yeah, it should be, but that's my

1102
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: hesitation with the offense. I think there's gonna be some

1103
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 2: growing pains there along the line.

1104
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: So no Michigan, No Ohio State, who they've given trouble

1105
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: to these past few years. They do have Penn State,

1106
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: which they'll they always lose that game, always to James Franklin.

1107
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: Go to Oregon.

1108
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: Back half of the schedule here, So here's I'll read

1109
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 2: the full thing off Please Yukon, Michigan State at Virginia, Villanova, Indiana,

1110
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 2: and Northwestern.

1111
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: Those are the first six games. Okay, maybe Michigan State's

1112
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: a little spice with Aiden Childs. Maybe Virginia.

1113
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: You like Virginia maybe Indiana Northwestern. Like you know, I

1114
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 2: don't think these teams are going to be a train wreck.

1115
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 2: But again, the second half of the schedule is USC

1116
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: at home, on the road, at Minnesota, on the road

1117
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: at Oregon, home against Rutgers, home against Iowa on the

1118
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: road against Penn State.

1119
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that's all correct here. Okay, here's

1120
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: the other reason I feel pretty good about Maryland. I

1121
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: when I'm sort of figuring out in my head, when

1122
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm tinkering with what, Okay, what do I think about this?

1123
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: What do I think about that? I like to list

1124
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: out quarterbacks faced or that they will face. It's Yukon,

1125
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: Michigan State A, and Chiles. Maybe we'll see Anthony Calandra Virginia.

1126
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: Maybe Villanova gave your boy Max Brosmer a lot of

1127
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: trouble last year. Rosbifore knows. It's Curtis or Ark in Indiana. Okay,

1128
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: maybe it's what mikey right. Northwestern, we'll see Miller Moss.

1129
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: We don't fully know. At USC, we'll see Max Brosmer.

1130
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: I think Dylan Gabriel will be very good. Rutgers in

1131
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: athan Heel, Heila Monster. It's a heel, a monster team.

1132
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: Now it's a heel of monster team. Kate McNamara Iowa.

1133
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: We'll see Penn State. Drew Aller should be good. Just

1134
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: handles off, give the ball to Nick Singleton. That's all

1135
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: I know.

1136
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, run at seventy times a game, that'd

1137
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: be great.

1138
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: I don't hate the quarterbacks. Faced if I'm Maryland.

1139
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: Okay, who's next, I'm going to close things out on

1140
00:57:59,160 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: my side with Purdue?

1141
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: Okay? Four and eight.

1142
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: Last year Ryan Walter's first season, we got a comment

1143
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: from was it verball or Dan who said that Ryan

1144
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 2: Walters is secretly jacked.

1145
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: I think he's got a I mean former player. Yeah,

1146
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: younger guy. Can he step in and play? He looks

1147
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: like he could. He's in his thirties. Yeah, that might

1148
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: be helpful. Do you remember your thirties?

1149
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 2: Do I remember my thirties barely a while ago. I

1150
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: don't even know what I had for lunch today.

1151
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1152
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: Ryan Walter's first year, it was a pretty big step back,

1153
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: you know. The Jeff bram Era was nine to eight

1154
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 2: win seasons at the close of it. Anyway, for the

1155
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 2: last year plus, been a bit of a revolving door

1156
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: with transfers in this program. Ryan Walters has seemed to

1157
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 2: embrace the portal and he's made some comments that he's

1158
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: supportive of it and he's trying to work it, and

1159
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: I believe him.

1160
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: I think that's legit.

1161
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 2: But at a program like Purdue, you're sort of at

1162
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: a disadvantage, and we saw it again this year with

1163
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: some of their players opting to go elsewhere, which I'll

1164
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 2: talk about here in a second. But if you look

1165
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: back to last year, what you see in the numbers

1166
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: is that this was a much better team on the

1167
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 2: ground than through the air. Even after going out and

1168
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 2: getting Hudson Card to coming in play. That was like

1169
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: the first thing Ryan Walters did, went out and he

1170
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: signed Hudson Card, But still this was a ground team.

1171
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: I think we'll continue to see the ground game be

1172
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: a focal point here. I think it could be a

1173
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 2: really big year for Devin mackaby, especially with this offensive line.

1174
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: I think this is OK, this is going to be

1175
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 2: a rushing offense this year. Now, when I say really big,

1176
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Purdue is winning eight games. I'm just

1177
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 2: saying I think that's the focal point and I expect

1178
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: a good year for Devin maccaby.

1179
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: Okay, Hudson card is also back. Pretty much the whole

1180
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: line is back.

1181
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: Devin maccabee, you know, he's back to pretty much the

1182
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 2: whole receiver room transferred out led by Dion Burks, the

1183
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: aforementioned good guy on the offense who left.

1184
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: He went to Oklahoma.

1185
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 2: So Ryan Walters did sort of a hot swap and

1186
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: replaced the transfers with other transfers. It's one of those

1187
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 2: deals where Phil Steele tries to be nice and says,

1188
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: despite losing their top four, they might be more productive.

1189
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, maybe, Okay.

1190
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: I I feel like I need to grow the mustache

1191
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: to say that I don't know what to expect from

1192
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: this passing unit, which is why I lean a little

1193
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: bit more heavily on what I know they can do

1194
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: on the ground.

1195
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: What do I think they can do in the Ground's fair?

1196
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: And then defensively more of the same.

1197
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: They lose their best player, Nick Scurton, who transfers down

1198
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 2: to Texas A and M, which is a huge blow.

1199
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 2: Another situation where Ryan Walter is trying to plug holes,

1200
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: trying to make upgrades via the portal. So, at the

1201
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: risk of oversimplifying here, this is a defense that features

1202
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 2: a lot of transfers. They can bind those transfers with

1203
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 2: Cole Brevd, with Yanni Carloftis. Yes, there is another right

1204
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: with Dylan Thieneman, who was their breakout freshman star at

1205
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:53,959
Speaker 2: safety last year.

1206
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: Defense will be all right. I think defense will be

1207
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: all right. The problem is that the schedule's absurd. They

1208
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: have five games going into the iculous. Look at this.

1209
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: Look at the schedule.

1210
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have it up home against Notre Dame, home

1211
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: against Oregon at Ohio State, home against Penn State, the

1212
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: great home slate.

1213
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: If you are a perdue season ticket holder, yeah, good on,

1214
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: good on you. You're gonna get to see the best

1215
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: of college for bas to offer.

1216
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 2: You're not gonna win any of those games, but you're

1217
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 2: gonna see some good ones come through Weslafayette produce and

1218
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: rebuilding mode. Dan, they're a couple of years away, they're

1219
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 2: still trying to fully reboot. It probably means another year

1220
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 2: where they're better in some spots and worse than others.

1221
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make a Ryan Walter so far.

1222
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 2: I think there have been some encouraging signs. I think

1223
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: there have been other signs that are problematic. You can't

1224
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 2: like Dion Burk's transferring out Nick Scout and transferring out

1225
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,439
Speaker 2: like there's there's not a great way to keep those

1226
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: guys if you're a Purdue. So Ryan Walter is gonna

1227
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 2: have to hit in the portal, gonna have to get

1228
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 2: good at doing so, gonna have to take high school

1229
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 2: recruit and hopefully to another level, and gotta need to

1230
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 2: work with what he has specifically on the defensive side

1231
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 2: of the ball, to use that as something of a springboard.

1232
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: That's a top I mean, look at the schedule. I mean,

1233
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: what is he supposed to do. Yeah, it feels like

1234
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: five losses before. What was he supposed to do? Yeah?

1235
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,479
Speaker 1: If you're Purdue and you lose guys like that, play

1236
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: teams like this, come on. No. I do think it's

1237
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: smart though, to say, Okay, we are going to sort

1238
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: of focus most of our energies on building up this

1239
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: defense even losing, you know, the MVP, because that's that's

1240
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: the start of what gets you competitive. He made a

1241
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: quote and I don't remember where I saw it.

1242
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 2: Maybe it was Brett Sianca with Pick six, who I'm

1243
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 2: going to have on one of our bonus episodes, or

1244
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: may have already had on a bonus episode by the

1245
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 2: time people hear this. He pulled a quote from Walters

1246
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: where he equated the transfer portal to investing on Wall Street.

1247
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 2: You know, maybe that fits, maybe it doesn't, but I

1248
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: think the general thrust of what Brett was getting at

1249
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: is this is a guy who embraces the portal and

1250
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 2: you know, understands its significance, especially at a place.

1251
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: Like Purdue, which I think is right.

1252
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 2: You don't want a guy stepping in, a young guy

1253
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 2: stepping in who is going to take an adversarial approach

1254
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 2: to that portal. It sucks when you lose guys, but

1255
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: you want somebody who's willing to go out there and

1256
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 2: recruit new blood to the program as well. So I

1257
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 2: am not willing to sell Ryan Walters yet. I think

1258
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 2: there have been some positive signs, but this is going

1259
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: to be a rough year.

1260
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: Well here's the other good news is when you look

1261
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: at where they were last year, they weren't terribly far

1262
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: off from being a bowl team. They lost winnable games,

1263
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: whether it was giving up the lead to I think

1264
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: it was Fresno opening up the year. The Iowa game

1265
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: was totally gettable. They won the old Oaken Bucket game

1266
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: I believe last year. Yes, and there was one other

1267
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: game I think it It may have been north It

1268
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: was either Northwestern or or Yeah, it was Northwestern late

1269
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: where they had a pretty decent shot at it. So

1270
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: you're just like, look, everybody has these games. Everybody loses

1271
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: close games, everybody has all this. It's at least encouraging

1272
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: that maybe you can flip one or two of those

1273
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: close losses into close wins. That's it, man.

1274
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 2: I mean they played hard, they played hard. Spots maybe

1275
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 2: not so much against Ohio State.

1276
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: They randomly shelled somebody, was it Minnesota? They scored forty

1277
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: nine against Minnesota? Yeah, yeah, they were scoring like thirteen

1278
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: a game. They're like, let's drop fifty just for all

1279
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: time sake on Minnesota. And they be Virginia Tech. It

1280
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: was early for Virginia Tech. That's true. They lost by

1281
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: four points to Fresno first game of the year. Yeah,

1282
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: Fresno was a good team. They gave away a lead too,

1283
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: and that one.

1284
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they lost by six against Iowa. Iowa had a

1285
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 2: great defense, but they were there. Like, I don't feel

1286
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: like they gave up on this guy. I just feel

1287
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 2: like it's a talent thing, and we need to give

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Speaker 2: him more time to see what he can do. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: that's a lot of perdue thoughts for you. Why don't

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Speaker 2: you bring us home here by talking about Wisconsin quintessential?

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Speaker 1: Who the hell knows? Okay, Wisconsin is going to be

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Speaker 1: more fun this year. And I only slightly mean that

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Speaker 1: to be an allusion to what happens to the ball

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Speaker 1: after Tyler van Dyke releases it into the air. Anything

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Speaker 1: can happen, right, He's like the Kevin Garnett quarterback of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Anything is possible. Tie. I have not

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Speaker 1: given away all of my TVD stock. I have. I

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Speaker 1: have held a little bit for a rainy day for

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Speaker 1: the kids. For the kids, I'm going to pass it along.

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Speaker 1: So when he's holding up super Bowl trophy after super

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Speaker 1: Bowl trophy, yeah, they are gonna they're gonna share trust

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Speaker 1: for yeah, yeah, the little ones. Yeah. Okay. Sometimes we

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Speaker 1: just need fresh starts. Sometimes we need an easy landing.

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Speaker 1: And there is something about Wisconsin this year. We'll see

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Speaker 1: on the offensive line, we'll see out running back in

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Speaker 1: the post Brayleen Allen universe. I think the receivers are fine.

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Speaker 1: I think all of these guys would be great to have,

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Speaker 1: like as your number two or three guy on a

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Speaker 1: really good team. Bryce and Green? Was it Logan Pauling.

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Speaker 1: They've got a younger guy who showed out a little

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Speaker 1: bit in the bowl game named Tretch Tretch. This is

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Speaker 1: how deep I was in Wisconsin. I was watching Tretch's

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Speaker 1: vlog on YouTube. How was it? Bowl travels? Pretty good? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: pretty good. Everybody was super happy to be playing in

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Speaker 1: a bowl game against Allison. She would have called it

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Speaker 1: bowl movements. That's good, that's very good, Ty. That's why

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Speaker 1: we're in the business. Here continue. Luke Fickle went pretty

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Speaker 1: aggressive along the defensive line and at linebacker in the front.

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Speaker 1: We'll see. I think they're in a good actually, I

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Speaker 1: think they're a pretty good shape situationally in the secondary.

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Speaker 1: I think the defense would be good. But they're that

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Speaker 1: other team that I mentioned along with who were we

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Speaker 1: talking about when I when I talked about Nebraska, We're like,

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Speaker 1: defense was super promising last year. These are the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: they faced. I think they faced nine or ten legit

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Speaker 1: very bad offenses. And it's not stat padding per se,

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Speaker 1: but it's just how much of that do you trust?

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Speaker 1: I really trust Luke Fickle. I really like where this

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Speaker 1: defense can go with the guys returning, with who they've

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Speaker 1: added in the portal, with the general scheme, with Luke

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Speaker 1: Fickle's track record in building up a team that needed

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Speaker 1: a new voice. I like Wisconsin. I don't love Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: I like Wisconsin. There's still something about TVD where it's

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01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: just farther and or further and further away in the

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Speaker 1: rearview mirror, where he's like, he's dealt with injuries, He's

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01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,439
Speaker 1: dealt with weird injuries. The best of him we still

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Speaker 1: remember as being excellent, but this is new context. He's

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01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 1: had like four coordinators in four years. We like Phil Longo,

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Speaker 1: I think as an offensive mind, it's certainly a different

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Speaker 1: direction still than where Wisconsin was for all those years.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just looking at this roster, like, where's

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01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: where's that offensive pop to run a system like this?

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Speaker 1: Where are those two North Carolina backs? Where are those

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01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: North Carolina receivers? Right where the old miss guys that

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01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,959
Speaker 1: Phil Longo has succeeded with? And I just I see

1346
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: a roster of decent players in search of pop, in

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01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: search of upside, in search of electricity, and that's still

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Speaker 1: the complaint with Wisconsin. I think they're gonna be a

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Speaker 1: quality team. I don't think they're gonna lose any more

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Speaker 1: games like they did to Northwestern last year, where they

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01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: just like randomly got gutted on defense and couldn't get

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01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: off the field on third down. I think they're gonna

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01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: be improved. I think they're gonna be clearly improved. But

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Speaker 1: with their schedule this year, as I bring it up,

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Speaker 1: they play Alabama pretty early on, so I guess we'll

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Speaker 1: have a sense it's Alabama and then a Bay and

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Speaker 1: then they travel to LA to play USC. The middle

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Speaker 1: of their schedule isn't terrible, but then Penn State Iowa

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Speaker 1: on the road a bye week before Oregon, they're Nebraska

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Speaker 1: on the road, and their tayum with Minnesota in the

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Speaker 1: rivalry game to end the year. Like that back half

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Speaker 1: is going to be tough, and so tvd's health, you know,

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01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: system adjustments are going to be huge, and how deep

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Speaker 1: that defense looks, especially upfront, is going to be huge

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Speaker 1: with those games near the end of the schedule. What's

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Speaker 1: there over under Runder is seven. I think it's kind

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Speaker 1: of perfect.

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Speaker 2: It's not lost on me that I've been over here

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Speaker 2: throwing everything in the volcano.

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Speaker 1: I know, and you're too chicken to join me. Take

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Speaker 1: a stand. Okay, I'm gonna looking at this schedule one

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Speaker 1: more time. One, two, three, four. I'm going under under

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01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: a right, I'm going under with the volcano warts Why bird?

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01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: I just want that pop. I like the best of

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01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: Brice and Green, the best of Tretch, the best of

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Speaker 1: these guys is impressive. I'm just not there. I'm just

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01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: not I I like the idea of TVD finding this

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01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: new home and thriving. I'm just not there. I've seen

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Speaker 1: too much.

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01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 2: I've been hurt before, still got a little bit of

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01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 2: stock hidden away behind, like a trapdoor or something. I

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01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 2: am hopeful.

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: That we're going to see a TVD renaissance here.

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01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 2: Okay, early TVD, his early work was great. It has

1385
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,560
Speaker 2: not gone great the last two years. So I'd like

1386
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 2: to see him get back to what he once was.

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Speaker 2: I remember after TVD burst onto the scene, we were

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01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 2: talking about this guy is like an NFL prospect. Yeah,

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01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 2: of course, some people were talking about like a first pick,

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01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 2: potential first pick in the draft, has the size, had

1391
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 2: the arm really look good? Just has not gotten back

1392
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 2: to that level. So if he can get anywhere close.

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01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 2: That would be a huge boon obviously for Wisconsin and

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01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 2: this offense and presumably what Luke Fickle is trying to build.

1395
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 2: But it does take a lot of blind faith to

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01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 2: assume that he can get back there.

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Speaker 1: His ceiling is higher than what Wisconsin has had in

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01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: quite some time. I'll say that I would agree with that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And when, if, and when he hits that ceiling, everybody's

1400
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: going to look better. Right. It opens up the rushing game.

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01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: It makes receivers look better, not than they actually are,

1402
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: but it helps receivers to hit their own potential that

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01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: they're you know, catching balls in stride, that they have

1404
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: open field to play with. So that's not lost on me.

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01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: I just you know, I've seen a lot. I've seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of my time. All right, Well, Dan, that

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Speaker 1: does it.

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Speaker 2: We made it, Yes, made it the full way through

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01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 2: all eighteen of these damn teams. Go back and listen

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Speaker 2: to part one, Part two, and part three if you

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01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 2: are just tuning in for the first time. If you

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Speaker 2: made it this far, hit follow or subscribes that you

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Speaker 2: don't miss any of our episodes. Three episodes per week

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Speaker 2: from now until we tap out. Yeah, Sunday, Tuesday, and

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Speaker 2: Thursday from now through the season until some.

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Speaker 1: Point in January.

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01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 2: We've got a lot to talk about here on this

1418
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 2: crazy college football season that is before us in twenty

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01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 2: twenty four. On the next episode, we're gonna go through

1420
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame and the other teams that we missed. It

1421
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 2: will not be as long of an episode. Trust me,

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01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 2: you don't want a three part episode in which we

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01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 2: talk about Notre Dame, Oregon State, Washington State.

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01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: And UMass. Maybe you do. If you do, then you're

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Speaker 1: a real sicko. All my Don Brown heads out there,

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Speaker 1: all my dom Yeah, we're not going to do that,

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01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: but we are going to make sure that we cover

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01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 1: those four remaining teams are the only four we haven't

1429
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: talked about in some regards, So every team, every conference,

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01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: we got one more episode to go, but I feel

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01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:17,919
Speaker 1: like the bulk.

1432
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: Of them are out of the way now because we

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01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 2: got the biggin and the Big ten done. Make sure

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Speaker 2: of August in preparation for the season ahead.

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Speaker 1: I got nothing else.

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01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,679
Speaker 2: I don't appreciate that you're trying to hijack my bros

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01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 2: Before Nos tagline for Minnesota Tayum Brohim. We're gonna have

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Speaker 2: to find out from folks whether they prefer Taiyum or

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Speaker 2: bros Before.

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Speaker 1: Note. I worked really hard on that. I know, I

1445
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: can see all the boards behind you.

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01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 2: It's just it was a labor of love this time,

1447
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm hesitant to put it to the side.

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01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 2: So people are gonna have to write in let me

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01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:09,759
Speaker 2: know what they think.

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01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: I personally prefer. In terms of your bad nicknames, you

1451
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: thinking that a Rutgers running Backs last name vaguely sounds

1452
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: like a river nobody has heard of, and basing that

1453
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: nickname fully on that that is not at all geographically

1454
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: relevant even to you. Western Pa might as well be

1455
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: three states away from where you live.

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01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 2: It's only five hours away by car, Yeah, exactly, only

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01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 2: five hours.

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01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 1: It's cool, five short hours, same state. Yeah, it's a

1459
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 1: full different region of the country. Tie. You live on

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01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: the East coast and Western Pa is basically the Midwest.

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01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: Same state, Dan, We're all one here. Pennsylvania yeah, Keystone

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01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: state state. There it is. But that nickname was on

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01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: brand for me and you know it. Yeah that's true.

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01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: I mean look, I called Will Pauling Logan at least

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01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: three times. So thank you to one and all for

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01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: bearing with us. Two longer than usual episodes to preview

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten. But it is a bigger than usual conference.

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01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: What can we do. We're doing our best here. Thank

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01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: you as always for bearing with us. Please hit follow

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Speaker 1: or subscribe if you've yet to do so.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back in a few days talking more college

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Speaker 2: football in the meantime. For myself, tie for that guy

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01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 2: over there, Dan, as always, you know the drill, Stay solid, Peace,