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Speaker 1: From UFOs to ghosts and government cover ups. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. And

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, you know what that music means. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show. I'm Ben and I'm Nol the necro

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Speaker 1: goat slaughterer Brown. Oh, that is good. We should do

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Speaker 1: some We should do some black metal nicknames. You know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm haugging the nickname giving duties. So

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Speaker 1: often do you have a black metal nickname for me?

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Speaker 1: Neal Man, that was everything I could do to come

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Speaker 1: a necro goat slaughterer. So is it is it itself?

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Speaker 1: Does it only slaughter necro goats or is it a

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Speaker 1: know what, a little ambiguity in uh in black metal

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Speaker 1: is probably just fine. Ben. I'm gonna call you. I'm

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll deal with I like the nested alliteration

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Speaker 1: hell Hammer was it was a member of a band, right,

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Speaker 1: the early eighties. Um, And we'll get to that part

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Speaker 1: of the story very soon as a way of seguang

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Speaker 1: into what today's topic is, which is music and the occult.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and ladies and gentlemen, we're here. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: of the year over at Conspiracy Stuff, that is the

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Speaker 1: countdown to Halloween. We're in the month of October and uh,

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Speaker 1: little bit of administrative business to cover. But first we're

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Speaker 1: have asked us about. No, this was this was an

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Speaker 1: I just think it's there's a lot of there to

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Speaker 1: music industry is uh surprise, huge business. Gargantelin Global recorded

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Speaker 1: the Manson family. Paul Crockett's story is mysterious to me.

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Speaker 1: I invite you listeners to look it up and let

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00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: me know what you think. We covered it briefly in

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00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: one of our earlier videos, but there's there's a lot

429
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: more to that story that remains untold, and uh, you know,

430
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: I feel like we're we might be getting closer to

431
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: falling into a Charles Manson podcast. You know, it's really

432
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: interesting stuff there, for sure. UM. One a little side

433
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: note and kind of bringing it back to the music thing,

434
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: we definitely went down at a little bit of rabbit hole. Um.

435
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 1: The La Bianca Mansion, actually the Tape mansion was was demolished.

436
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how long ago, but it's been

437
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: some years. The La Bianca Mansion still stands and has

438
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: had some renovations done. But UM, Trent Resner from nine

439
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: Inch Nails actually rented that mansion in order to make

440
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: their iconic record, The Downward Spiral. UM, and he was

441
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: fascinated by you know, the Manson mythology and all of

442
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: that as well. Um, and so I mean it just

443
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: kind of comes back to this connection with music and

444
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: the occults and you know, true believers versus you know, showman,

445
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: and um, you know, I think there is some shock

446
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: value and being sort of like a fringe like sort

447
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: of a dark musician, a dark artist, kind of like

448
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: like nin inch Nails kind of has like a sort

449
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 1: of a sinister, kind of a creepy vibe to it,

450
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: and like saying, we made our record in the house

451
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: where the Manson murders happened. And you know, what this

452
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: reminds me of is a story that inspired part of

453
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: this podcast, which you had told me originally off air,

454
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: and I had no idea about this. Yeah, I mean,

455
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons that I wanted to

456
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: explore this Manson connection. What this made me think of

457
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: as the story about one of my favorite artists musicians

458
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: of all times, David Bowie. And in the mid seventies,

459
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: Bowie was deep in his thin white duke phase. And

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00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: anyone who knows about Bowie would recognize the look of

461
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: David Bowie during this period easily super thin, very pale,

462
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: and a lot of that had to do with the

463
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: fact that he was just off the rails on cocaine

464
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: at the time. But during this period he actually lived

465
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: in a mansion that was just down the road from

466
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: the La Bianca House, which is where that second set,

467
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: arguably the more grizzly set of of Manson murders took place.

468
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: And during this period, and a lot of this is

469
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: this is from the book that I mentioned earlier, which

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00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: is called UM, How the Occult Saved Rock and Roll

471
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: definitely worth checking out. You can get as an e

472
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 1: book on Amazon. UM. During this period he had just

473
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: completely lost himself to this cocaine addiction. And I mean,

474
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: you're David Bowie. He was just obscenely famous at this point.

475
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: You know, he should go wherever he wanted. He had

476
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: this mansion, he was probably not leaving very often, just

477
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: getting piles of cocaine delivered to him, and he started

478
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: worrying about things like the like Nazi conspiracies, the Manson murders. Um,

479
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, his own bodily essences and bodily fluids and

480
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: what that meant, you know, like sort of like that

481
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: character in UM Dr Strange Love who's always talking about

482
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: precious precious bodily fluids. Definitely a lot of paranoia going

483
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: on there, um, and he became convinced that because of

484
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: the proximity to the La Bianca house, there were malevolent

485
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: spirits that were invading his world, whether it was his

486
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: his home, his psyche, you know, all over the place.

487
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: So he decided, um to seek the help of what

488
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: we would refer to as a white witch, a follower

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00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: of the Right hand Path exactly. So the house that

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00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: Bowie was renting belonged to a guy named Glenn Hughes,

491
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: who was the basis for the band Deep Purple Smoke

492
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: on the Water and things like that. And this is

493
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: a quote from a guy named Mark Spitz who wrote

494
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Speaker 1: a Bowie biography. Um. I don't know if it was

495
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: particularly sanctioned, but it definitely exists. Was or he was

496
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: around during these days, and the author of Season of

497
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: the Witch did use him as a as a source

498
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: several occasions. So here's a quote from him describing, um,

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Speaker 1: what Hughes thought about David's David Bowie situation. Line quote,

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00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: he felt inclined to go on very bizarre tangents about

501
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: Alistair Crowley or the Nazis or numerals a lot. He

502
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: was completely wired, maniacally wired. I could not keep up

503
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: with him. He was on the edge all the time

504
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: of paranoia and also going on about things I had

505
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: no freaking idea of what he was talking about. He'd

506
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: go into a rap on it and I wouldn't know

507
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: what he was talking about. And then, as Bowie himself

508
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: remembered in this up in this from this book, my

509
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: other fascination was with the Nazis and their search for

510
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: the Holy Grail. I paid with the worst manic depression

511
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: of my life. My psyche went through the roof. It

512
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: just fractured into pieces. I was hallucinating twenty four hours

513
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: a day. I felt like I'd fallen into the bowels

514
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: of the earth. So it was during this period for

515
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: David Bowie that he reached out to someone named Cherry Vanilla,

516
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: who was one of a former employee of Bowie's management

517
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: company who had been around and witnessed much of his

518
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: debauchery and paranoia, and she was the one who put

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00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: him in touch with this white witch named Wally elm Lark.

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00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: And the idea was that elm Lark would come into

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00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: the mansion in LUs LEAs and exercise the place. Um,

522
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: whether it was you know, saging it and just kind

523
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: of like performing some rituals to clear it of evil

524
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: spirits and sage. And it would be when you burn

525
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: sage around different areas of a place, right exactly. So, Nol,

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00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: I have to ask something that's probably on the mind

527
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: at least a few listeners here. Do you think there

528
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: were evil spirits on the premises? Well, uh, to quote

529
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle doing Rick James, Cocaine's a hell of a drug,

530
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's what I I to quote Rick James

531
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: doing Rick James Cocaine's a hell of a drug. Apparently, yeah,

532
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: And I mean it does sound like Bowie was just

533
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: out of his mind with paranoia, and um, you know

534
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: when you get that way and you feel like you

535
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: can't trust anybody, you see devils at every turn, you know. Um,

536
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: you know there is an account just to wrap this

537
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: this little story up, which I think is is fun, um,

538
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: just I don't know, not fun. I mean, definitely the

539
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: guy was in in a very very dark place. He

540
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: was in a very dark place, and for someone to

541
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: be able to offer him some sort of help, whether

542
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: it was BS or not. I can't really fault him

543
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: too much. He's okay, No, he's definitely okay. Shockingly okay,

544
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: look at the guy. He looks like he's twenty years old.

545
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: It's bizarre. Um, So you know, this Wally elm Lark

546
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: character did end up coming into the house and she, uh,

547
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, apparently, according to those present, successfully exercised the

548
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: swimming pool. That was the first thing she wanted to do.

549
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: That he was exercise of the swimming pool. And um,

550
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: this is a quote from uh Backstage passes Life on

551
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: the wild Side with David Bowie, which is a memoir

552
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: by Angie Bowie, who was David's wife during this period.

553
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: And she says, quote, at a certain point in the ritual,

554
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: the pool began to bubble. It bubbled vigorously, perhaps thrashed

555
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: as a better term, in a manner inconsistent with any

556
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: explanation involving filters and the and then Mark spits from

557
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: earlier from this unauthorized Bowie uh memoir, I guess um

558
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: wrote quote Elmlark wrote a series of spells and incantations

559
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: out for Bowie in case the demons returned for a dip,

560
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: and remained on call for Bowie as he continued to

561
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: wrestle with the forces of darkness. Wow, I'm gonna say cocaine.

562
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: If I had to, I had to choose one. Not

563
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: to be too skeptical about it. But we see, okay,

564
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: so we see this. We see this edge of madness

565
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: intersecting with some of the the appearance of madness which

566
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: is good for marketing, right, versus just this strange the

567
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: strange situations you get into when you catapult to this

568
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: unprecedented level of fame and success. But but madness aside,

569
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: Let's take a closer look at the people who, regardless

570
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: of drug use or anything like that, sincerely believe that

571
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: they are part of an occult movement or part of

572
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: a magical working. We know, the allegations of some sort

573
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: of demonic worship are pretty old, you know, the predate Bowie.

574
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: Of course, the in popular music and rock music, especially

575
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: for instance, the Rolling Stones have been accused of this.

576
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: And even like led Zeppelin, the idea backwards masking and

577
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: um messages hidden that were like embedded in the inner

578
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: ring of an help he um for example, things like that,

579
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: right exactly, and this, you know, this goes into something

580
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: interesting that we can explore. The idea of the moral panic, right,

581
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: the satanic panic. But before we do that, uh, there

582
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: there are a couple other things we should talk about. There.

583
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: There is evidence, as we've said, of real occult conspiracies

584
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: in music, one of the biggest ones, of course, being

585
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: that members of the black metal scene in some Scandinavian

586
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: countries did conspire to burn churches. Now, as for the

587
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: motivation of that, it probably isn't the same motivation behind

588
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: every single church burning because they're different groups doing it, right,

589
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: And we mentioned this earlier, the idea that it was

590
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: in large part um at active rebellion against you know,

591
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: the the idea of sort of what they might perceive

592
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: as an oppressive puritanical um you know, not government exactly,

593
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: but just sort of like our hierarchy, I guess, the

594
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: dogma exactly. So there's certainly that um aspect of it.

595
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: But uh, there's also this idea of being like it's

596
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: almost like a gang mentality where you have to do

597
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: these initiations in order to show that you're completely behind

598
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: what the gang is about. Is very similar with some

599
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: of these black metal groups, where they're you know, burning

600
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: the churches to show their commitment, to demonstrate their commitment

601
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: to these ideals, Um, and why don't you talk a

602
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: little bit about what some of those ideals might be

603
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: and what some of these other initiations might have been. Okay,

604
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: these other ideals, these other initiations. In this I think

605
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: initiation is a perfect word. One thing would be the

606
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: assumption of a different name. In magical orders, it's common

607
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: for someone who is initiated to take upon a new name, right,

608
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: a name that is used within the order, and that

609
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: also becomes a new identity for other rituals that one

610
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: would one would take to show allegiance to a dark force.

611
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: Of course, there are things that are you know, there

612
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: are agreements, actual written down agreements, for instance. And this

613
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,479
Speaker 1: goes back we mentioned Faust. Faustus is based on real person,

614
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: a guy named Dr Johan George Fauss, and in the

615
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: Tail Dr Faust, which is of course um inspired by

616
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: the actual Faust. Uh. Dr Faustus sells his soul via

617
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: a document for seven years of earthly pleasures I believe

618
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: at the end of which he's his soul is forfeit.

619
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: And during the witch hunts in Europe, there were quite

620
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: a few people who were accused of signing packs with

621
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: the devils sometimes no even with papers provided and like

622
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: the signature of the devil, which not to you know,

623
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: far be it from me to cast a shadow on

624
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: their methodology and the inquisition. But that sounds a little convenient.

625
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: But when we talk about rituals and initiations brings us

626
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: to something that is probably a story for a different time. Murders, suicides.

627
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: There there are several very strange cases in the world

628
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: of metal. But maybe metal deserves its own episode. Yeah,

629
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: I think it really does. There's a whole lot going

630
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: on there. But we mentioned the band, or maybe we didn't,

631
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: but Mayhem Um was a very popular Norwegian black metal band,

632
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: UM that ultimately it's members ended up sort of being

633
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: on different ideological sides more or less, and two of

634
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: them Um got into a serious altercation that involved two

635
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: of the members, Uronymous and a guy by the name

636
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: of barg viknus Verkness who also has YouTube chand also

637
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Speaker 1: if you want to if you're interested. He went to

638
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: prison for a long time, but I believe he is

639
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: out now. Um murdered, uh, this guy Uronymous, who would

640
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: kind of taken him under his wing in what some

641
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: would argue was simply Uh, you know, an altercation between

642
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: two um folks that that maybe didn't see eye to

643
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: eye on some things. But this is an alter occasion

644
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: that ultimately ended in uh Eronymous receiving twenty three stab wounds,

645
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: two to the head, five to the neck, and sixteen

646
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: to the back. So I mean, as far as ritualistic

647
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: murders go, you know, if it was just a beef

648
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: between two dudes, probably could have just stopped with the one,

649
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, certainly, um, But this also

650
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: goes back to my by my previous point about this

651
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: having kind of like a gang mentality or like a cult,

652
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: which brings us to uh in a lot of ways.

653
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: Are the next point on our list? Yes, ain't that fresh?

654
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: And everyone wants to get down like that? Our next

655
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 1: our next topic here is hip hop and the Illuminati. Yes,

656
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, if you're listening to this show, then

657
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: the odds are that you may well be one of

658
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: the people over the years who have requested that we

659
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: talk out the illuminati and tip hop, that we explore it.

660
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: So what's the gist of this snol? So, this idea

661
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: that successful hip hop stars are ultimately tools of the

662
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: illuminati which is a shadowy group controlling the world through

663
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: various financial, political, military, and cultural means, allegedly. Right, we

664
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: have a we have a three part YouTube series on it.

665
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: We've talked at length about Adam Bioshops and the founders,

666
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: the various contradictory stories about what may or may not

667
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: be the Illuminati, the different groups who consider themselves the

668
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: Illuminati instead of other groups, and so you know, back

669
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: to alleged things. Um. The alleged evidence of this connection,

670
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: uh is well, you know, you don't have to look far.

671
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: You can just get on YouTube, for example, and and

672
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: find just tons of these examples that show various musicians

673
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: using symbols like the all seeing I which covering. You'll

674
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: see clips of one person covering one eye, and then

675
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: whomever upload the video will say proof Illuminati, which life

676
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: is probably a little bit of a strong term, strong term.

677
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: It's interesting. There's definitely a collection this stuff, some more ideas. UM.

678
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: For a lot of folks, this belief, uh proves that

679
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: the shadowy connections, rather than luck or talent, beside the

680
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: success of an entertainer. Yeah, but there's a fair counterpoint here.

681
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: Nor if this stuff is supposed to be so secret.

682
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: Then why would somebody show these symbols, these arcane you know,

683
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: secret handshakes, sug gestures on globally broadcasted videos. And it

684
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: goes back to a lot of the stuff we were

685
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: talking about earlier with the history of rock and using

686
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: some of these symbols and backwards masking, and you know,

687
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: the belief versus the showmanship of it. You know, I

688
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: think there's a lot to be said of planting intriguing

689
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: arcane images and symbols and your work. It's just it's

690
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: it's neat, it's fun, it's fascinating eating. You know, people

691
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: are intrigued by all kinds of things without necessarily having

692
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: to be fully on board with every ideological you know,

693
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: um idea, right with the philosophy behind something. Yeah, it's

694
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: it's absolutely true. Jay Z in some interviews it makes

695
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: me chuckled because I'm a fan of jay Z. He's

696
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: regularly said he's not part of the illuminati, and he

697
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: feels like has to say references and verses and stuff.

698
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: And I don't know, maybe we have some listeners who

699
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: believe that they're legitimately is something to this. I don't

700
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: deny that there is a power behind the curtain, behind

701
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: the throne, behind the scenes of the music industry in

702
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: probably by genre, in country and and and it's probably

703
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: like some unseen mob boss type figure in Mariatch music,

704
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, so hip hop is no different. So my

705
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: my question then is is it more likely that these

706
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: entertainers are to Knowel's point, seeking the capital is on

707
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: beliefs to stay edging in the public eye, or is

708
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: there something there is there some nefarious group of ultimately

709
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: devil worshippers behind the scenes, because in the eighties and

710
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: the nineties America thought so well. I mean, you know,

711
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: they say the love of money, you know, is the

712
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: root of all evil. And to me and a lot

713
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: of these entertainment scenarios, money is the is the devil

714
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: you don't see, you know that like is driving all

715
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: of these things. And I mean that's that's where the

716
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: tastemakers come from. The folks that that hold all the

717
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: all the chips are the ones that choose who you

718
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 1: know gets the hits ultimately. And I mean there's certainly

719
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: something to be said of a public opinion and people

720
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: going viral and things like that, but at the end

721
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: of the day, uh, largely it's a numbers game. You know,

722
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: it's like who's getting the resources, Who's who's getting all

723
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: of the pr and who's who's like actually, you know,

724
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 1: commanding that kind of power. And I'd like to I'd

725
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: like to take a look at this this thing, the

726
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: Satanic panic that's swept the US. Some of you may

727
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: be a little too young, but some of you may

728
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: be old enough to remember this. Uh. The the Satanic

729
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: panic is something that came about. It's considered a moral panic,

730
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: comparable to witch hunts, for instance in Europe, or the

731
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: Red Scare with McCarthy m and the idea was that

732
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: there was a vast, overarching conspiracy on the part of

733
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: everyone from rock musicians to heavy metal musicians, to blues

734
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: and musicians to racy singers, to poison the minds and

735
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: souls of children, taking them into the abyssal plane of

736
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: hell for other time. They are that they are kind

737
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: of a low hanging fruit. Honestly, they are very suggestible,

738
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: not kidding. It started in right, it's h it's the

739
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: um it's people who have mental issues brought on by

740
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: their advanced age. So it's pretty much preschools and nursing homes.

741
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: It's where he is where he really tried to sell

742
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: that heavy metal right totally. But anyhow, this so this

743
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: starts in the nineteen seventies. Uh, and it's this idea

744
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: that there's this vast underground network of Satanists controlling everything. Uh.

745
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: It rose and peaked in the eighties and nineties, but

746
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: it's pretty much gone today. The first part of it

747
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: that really launched this was a book called The Satan

748
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: Seller by a guy named Mike Warnkey in nineteen seventy two.

749
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: He was referenced as an authority on Satanism for a

750
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: long or. In nineteen seventy two published it, and he

751
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: was reference as an authority until nineteen ninety two when

752
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: he was exposed as a fraud. So he uh, and

753
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: then other people came in. A guy named john's Hodd

754
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: said that he started speaking in churches saying that which

755
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 1: is druids in the Illuminati where control world politics, media

756
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: and even gasp, most churches, churches churches. Uh. This lad

757
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: to worries about backward masking, like Nol mentioned earlier, worries

758
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: that Dungeons and Dragons was a portal to this parallel

759
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: occult world. The idea that there was satanic ritual abuse

760
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: occurring in um in in the like in the studios

761
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: of musicians, and we will see that there. You know,

762
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: there is proof that there were abusive situations and ritualized

763
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: There is not proof that we could find that in

764
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: the case of musicians. Notice I say in the case

765
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: of musicians, not Hollywood overall. In the case of musicians,

766
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: we don't find evidence of a vast network of abusive behavior.

767
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: In the case of musicians, we don't. So the the

768
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: thing happens with this is that you you start to

769
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: see politicians pick this up because it's it's it's essentially

770
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: free votes, right, it's red meat, and uh, it goes

771
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: the in Tipper Gore and some other people, some other

772
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: associated this whole a right, Yeah, the Parents Music Resource Center. Uh,

773
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: they wanted to they wanted to force the government to

774
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: label records that were threatening to the heart's minds, morals

775
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: or souls of American youth. So they had um uh

776
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: succession of offensive materials, stuff like We're not gonna take

777
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: it but twist his sister, Yeah, sort of bad attitude. Yeah,

778
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: it's it's very strange. And then Geraldo Rivera did uh

779
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: a documentary or a rivera piece I guess called devil Worship,

780
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: exposing Satan's underground And then of course Judas Priest went

781
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: to trial for making a backwards message, which, um, let's see,

782
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: there was a line in the song better by You

783
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: better than Me, when played backwards, reportedly commanded the listener

784
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: to do it, which is such a rorshack ink blot,

785
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, an audio version of it. Not only that,

786
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: if you've ever messed around with flipping things backwards, I

787
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: mean that, you know the way words sound and reverse

788
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: are always a little bit off. And I just I

789
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: could picture that that was not even intentional almost you know,

790
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm sure because what you know, here's the thing,

791
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: long story short, what did they find in these investigations?

792
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: Ultimately they didn't find a damn thing. Uh. We can

793
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about mental health versus music, for okay.

794
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: For instance, there's the question when someone perpetrates an act

795
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: of violence, right, and and people attempt to blame it

796
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: on a video game that person played, or a song

797
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: that they heard, right, or you know, just a book

798
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: they read, then it's always seemed very shortsighted to me, right,

799
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: even if that was the trigger the likelihood is that

800
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: it was no more than a proverbial straw on the

801
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: camel's back. You know, that could have been replaced by

802
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 1: any number of things. It could have been any number

803
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: body looks at them funny at the grocery store. I mean,

804
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, I just think it's more than opportunistic.

805
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: It's more than convenient two blame a single thing on

806
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: something like that. I think it's offensive. It's offensive to

807
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: the people who survived those kind of tragedies. It's efensive

808
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: to the families of the victims. And not to mention,

809
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: the Porschemucks just put out an album, you know. So

810
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: we do know that there are you know, this has

811
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: been a long episode, but we do know that there

812
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: are some true and proven corruption and cover ups in music.

813
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 1: There's the concept of paola, which which you can probably

814
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: speak to pretty well. I'm not actually intimately familiar with it.

815
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it has to do with um.

816
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: It's like the idea of the equivalent of like a lobbyist,

817
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: you know, giving h gifts or taking a you know,

818
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: a lawmaker out for fancy dinners and exchange or not

819
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: necessarily exchange, but in the hopes that they will support

820
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: their piece of legislation that benefits the lobbying group, the

821
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: group they represent. It's it's an example of something like

822
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: that where executives I believe, pay DJs UM and rent

823
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: and radio station UM managers to play their songs, right,

824
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: and and it's illegal. Right, it's legal, and the FCC, uh,

825
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: the FCC specifically bands it. However, it is it's pretty common. Right.

826
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: The heart where it becomes legal is when the radio

827
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: go station plays a specific song but doesn't disclose that

828
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: they're playing it for money. You're supposed to be transparent

829
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: about it. Is. That's something that really occurs, and it

830
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: is kind of a cover up then, you know, the

831
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: exploitation of gosh, especially the exploitation of up and coming

832
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: talent in the music industry and something for itself. I

833
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: want to close out though, when we're talking about behind

834
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 1: the scenes things in music to the cult. Okay, there

835
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: is an article in the Atlantic which can read online

836
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: for free, called hit Charade or sharade or fancy Listeners.

837
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, guys. The vast majority of pop

838
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: songs that are in the top of the charts right

839
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: now are written by about six people and guess where

840
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: they're from. They're from Scandinavia. There in Norwegian, there from Stockholm.

841
00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: There is one lady who was from Oklahoma, but she

842
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: uh now she works with these other guys. Uh. They

843
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: have names like esther Dean, Mick Alarics and tore Hermanson

844
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: Stargate Dr Luke. Uh. These these folks have written songs

845
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: like bad Blood, Hey Mama Worth, it Can't Feel My Face,

846
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: the Night is Still Young, and so on. The main guy, though,

847
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Speaker 1: you know the main guys, this guy Max Martin. I mean,

848
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: it's not just him because I'm sorry if I'm if

849
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm stealing this from you. But this the way. There's

850
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: a great episode of On Point with Tom Ashbrook and

851
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: NPR from a few days ago where they talk about

852
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: the process of this whole thing, and I was not

853
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: aware of this. They basically do this stuff by committee,

854
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 1: where like they have like the guy that does the hooks,

855
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: they have the guy that does you know, the beat,

856
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: they have the I mean, but but more so than

857
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: just like collaborative thing, it's literally like they pass it

858
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: down the line and the idea is to stuff it

859
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: with so many hooks that capitalize on that. I think

860
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds that something that listens to the said where

861
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: they changed the station. Anyway, probably not necessarily conspiracy. They're

862
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: pretty open about it, but it's certainly some of the

863
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: record industry kind of tried to keep under wraps. I

864
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 1: think for a long time it was literally stuff they

865
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 1: don't want you to know. And no, not necessarily any

866
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: occult occult issues going on there, but it's it's pretty

867
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: fascinating stuff for sure. Wait, I hear that sound cute?

868
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: Do you hear that? I know what that means. I

869
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: know what it means. It means that it's time for

870
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: me apologize to Pope Francis for real, you guys. We

871
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: recorded last week's episode a few days before the story

872
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: drop of that it can Finally, UM issued a statement

873
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: regarding Pope francis Is supposedly secret one on one meeting

874
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: with Kim Davis, the Kentucky clerk UM who was denying

875
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: UM marriage licenses to gay couples and UM. You know,

876
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: there was a lot to being made of the fact

877
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: that the Pope had the sea meeting, and I expressed

878
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: my personal disappointments because I just was so fascinated by

879
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: this pope and his more progressive ways of doing things

880
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: in a very even handed way of speaking about speaking

881
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: about issues that popes don't typically handle. And as it

882
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: turns out, this was entirely spun by Kim Davis's people. Um,

883
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: what was really going on was the Pope was meeting

884
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: with a group of people for very quick little handshake

885
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: and a kind of a meet and Greek kind of

886
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: situation at this this Vatican embassy essentially in d C.

887
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: And um the the only people that he actually was

888
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: aware we're going to be there. And I don't remember

889
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: their name, but it was a student of his from

890
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: I believe he taught at a Catholic institution in Argentina,

891
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: isn't that where he's from? And this was a same

892
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: sex couple um that he knew were going to be there,

893
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: and he specifically expressed to his old friend or his

894
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: student that he was excited to see him and wanted

895
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: to give him a hug. And that was literally the

896
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: only person that the Pope was there that he was

897
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: aware was going to be there. So Kim Davis was

898
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: one of about fifteen or twenty or more folks that

899
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: were just kind of there waiting for the Pope to

900
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: pass through and hopefully have a little handshake and a

901
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, a personal blessing. So I apologize your holiness.

902
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: You're a man of principle. It sounds like you're a

903
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: little bit bothered. I bothered that I was so quick

904
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: to jump on the bandwagon. I felt really bad about

905
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: it after the fact. I even considered adding an addendum

906
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,959
Speaker 1: to the episode, but I just I figured this would

907
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: be the better way to do it, you know, come clean. Well,

908
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: as you know, the Pope, being a big fan of

909
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: the show, was pretty upset. Yeah, and remember I mentioned

910
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: the snapchats that we sent. Yeah, and he, uh, he

911
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: sent some pretty um some some pretty sad emoticons. So yeah,

912
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: so you know, that's how it is. Uh, Sometimes you

913
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: just get caught up in in the heat of the moment,

914
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 1: the fear of the internet, right, the pitchforks come out.

915
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: And that's uh, that's interesting because that's similar to what

916
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: happened in the Satanic Panic. You guys, we've got to go.

917
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 1: But there's so much other stuff I wanted to get

918
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: to here. There's so many other specific stories. I'm going

919
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: to ask for your help. Specifically, let me know what

920
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: links you see between the world of music and the

921
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: world of the occult. Uh, tell me if you think

922
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: it's absolute bunk, it's just bologna made up. But also

923
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: tell me if you think there is clear consistent proof

924
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: of you know, some sort of hip hop and Illuminati thing.

925
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: I'd love to see, just because at this point, at

926
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: this point, what I can say probably happens is that

927
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: there are groups running different things behind the scenes, right

928
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: we We've said this in our Illuminati episode. There are

929
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people that want to control the world,

930
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: but there there's no one at this point who controls

931
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: the whole thing, not even international bankers. Uh. And they

932
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: would be one of the draft picks. Right. So hopefully

933
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: tune in next week we'll have an update from Matt

934
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: Frederick who is with us in spirit. Uh. Stay tuned

935
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: this weekend, and if you're hearing this, with the day

936
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: it goes live, we're gonna do our live show with

937
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: our our friend Steve the Intern. And if you'd like

938
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: to check out some of the stories that don't make

939
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: it to the air, find us on Facebook and Twitter

940
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: where we are conspiracy stuff. If you have an idea

941
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: for show, a reaction, just want to say hello, but

942
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: don't like the social media rigamarole. We of all people

943
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: get it. You can email us directly our addresses conspiracy

944
00:58:55,080 --> 00:59:05,800
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945
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,560
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00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,680
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