1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Ahoy there everybody, it's your old pal Josh. And for 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: this week's s Y s K Selects, I have chosen 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: our episode on disembodied feet, Yes, with the great title 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: why are so many disembodied feet washing ashore in British Columbia? 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: Were released it back in June of two thousand and sixteen, 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: and it's a cozy little mystery about feet washing ashore 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: and we don't know why still to this day. I 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: hope you enjoy it. It's a really good episode. Welcome 9 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: to Stuff you should know, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey, 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles 11 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there, and there six feet 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: in this studio right now, and all of them are 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: exactly where they're supposed to be attached to their lowered legs. Yeah, 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: well the calf, yeah, yep, above the floor facing forward 15 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: to you, right. Yeah, that's a big one too, because 16 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: if it's facing backwards, you've got problems or you're just 17 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: going the wrong way all day long. Maybe. So, um, 18 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: do you know where they're not supposed to be Chuck feet? Yes, uh, well, 19 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: they're not supposed to be on the armrest of the 20 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: seat in front of you on an airplane, yes, or 21 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: a movie theater, yes, But I know you're not talking 22 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: about common courtesies. That bug me. But I agree with 23 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: you wholeheartedly. That is so wrong. And um, I'm meant 24 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: to tell you. I'm on, I've come over to your side. 25 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: About taking shoes off on the plane. It's okay if 26 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: I do it, but um, you mean And I were 27 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: flying somewhere and this dude behind us head it's nasty, 28 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: stinky feet and he had his shoes off, and like 29 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: we're facing forward and we could smell his feet below 30 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: our seats behind us, And I kept turning around giving 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: him the dirtiest looks, and he was like, you had 32 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: no idea what I was doing. Did you look at 33 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: his feet and then and he still didn't get it. 34 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: Did you look at his feet his face and then 35 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: clamp your nose? I did that still didn't work. I 36 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: threw up a little bit onto him. He just thought 37 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: it was there sick. Yeah. Yeah, I know. People disagree 38 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: with me. People wrote in We're like, what's it to you? 39 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: I thought it was to eat your own to eat 40 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: your own chuck? Yeah, you know, yeah, all right, so 41 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: I'll tell you a place where feet aren't supposed to be. 42 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: They're not supposed to be off on their own on 43 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: a beach somewhere, not attached to a body exactly. No, 44 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: that's not something that you see every day, No, unless 45 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: you're in Vancouver, and then it happens like almost every day. 46 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: It seems like not quite, but sure, there's something very 47 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: weird going on in Vancouver. You say there's no mystery. 48 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: I said, there's still a bit of a mystery to it. 49 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: But well, well we'll start at the beginning. Okay, Okay. 50 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: August twenty, two thousand seven. It's kind of a cool 51 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: and drizzly day at a place called Jedediah Island Provincial 52 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: Park up in British Columbia, right near Vancouver, right, lovely, 53 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: are sure, of course, that's why you would want to say, 54 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: like go park or camp at this park with your family, 55 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: which is what a twelve year old girl was doing. 56 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't find this girl's name. Saved my life, probably 57 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: because she's twelve. She wouldn't be good to say it anyway. 58 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: She was sure. She was walking along the beach with 59 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: her dad, and um, there was a bunch of like flotsam, 60 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: you know, that's the term for stuff that washes up 61 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: from the sea, that the sea spits up onto the shores. 62 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: And um, she saw a shoe and she picked it 63 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: up and she untied it and turned it upside down 64 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: and out fellaw sock and inside the sock was a 65 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: human foot yep, and she was pretty surprised. Size. Yeah, 66 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: it was a campus brand shoe, which ended up being 67 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: not neither here nor there, but it is manufactured in India, 68 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: mostly sold in India. Um, and we'll just park that 69 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: right there for now. Yeah. So the families like this 70 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: is unusual. Sure, they borrowed a radio from somebody else 71 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: and they alerted the authorities, and in very short order, 72 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: the mounties showed up, the corner showed up, the coast 73 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: guard showed up. I bet the mounties were all over 74 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: that foot. Um. So yeah, they said, you know what, well, 75 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna take that foot is if that's okay, little girl, 76 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: And she threw her sobbing tears, said sure, but just 77 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: give me a little money, okay. Uh. And they said 78 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: we're going to send it off for DNA examination, and um, 79 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: that did that return nothing The DNA as far as 80 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, there was no there's no match. So 81 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: that wasn't like a clue the d NA, Yeah no, 82 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: but it was the first thing they tried. Sure the DNA. 83 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: They also looked at it to see what was going 84 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: on with the foot, if if there is any kind 85 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: of sign of what the deal was. Yeah, they held 86 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: it up to their ear and pretended like it was 87 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: a telephone. And one of the other mount he said, 88 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: that's not funny. But they're like, oh, it is kind 89 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: of funny, and they said sorry, so um, they didn't. 90 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: They just kind of filed it away. It actually didn't 91 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: make much of a stir outside of the area. It 92 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: was worth talking about. It got a little bit of 93 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: ink because it was just so weird. But they put 94 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: the foot away and at the coroner's office and everybody 95 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: went about their lives, right, I would assume so. And 96 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: then six days later another foot showed up in the area, 97 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: not the same place, but in the same in the 98 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: same general area, another right foot, which means it wasn't 99 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: for the person's other foot. Now that'd be weird. So 100 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: there's two people missing feet. Now, this is a men's 101 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: Reebok size eleven I think, and the people who found 102 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: it said that when they saw it, they immediately knew 103 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: that there was a foot in there because it looked full. 104 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: It looks how they is how they put it. Yeah, 105 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: and they picked it up and smell of it and 106 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, it's a foot, that's right. And the 107 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: mountains came in again and they got off their horses 108 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: and uh. Corporal Gary Cox said, you know, it is 109 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: a little weird to find two feet, especially within six 110 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: days of one another. Yeah, in the same area it was. Um. 111 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: He described it as a million to one odds. I 112 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: don't think he did the science on that, but it's 113 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: just something you say. But he said, too, is pretty crazy, Yeah, 114 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: and I agree with him. Yeah. So the first foot 115 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: was in on Jedediah Island. The second ones on Gabriela Island, 116 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: which is I couldn't find exactly how far away it 117 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: was across the water, but it's it's not that far. 118 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: They're close, but they're separated by some water, um, and 119 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: they're not all of a sudden there's two feet that 120 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: were found within six days. The media starts to catch 121 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: drift of this one. Yeah, right, there's feet, uh shoe 122 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: de feet washing up on the shores in Vancouver, and 123 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: at the time, at that very time, um, Robert Picton 124 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: was on trial in Vancouver for um murdering as many 125 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: as forty nine women. You've heard to him, right, I think. 126 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: So he was a notorious pig farmer who would like 127 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: butcher women and feed them to his pigs, and then 128 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: butcher's pigs and feed pigs to his guests. Yeah. One 129 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: of the only probably Canadian serial killers, right, yeah, yeah, 130 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: and one of the worst of all serial killers. He 131 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: was a horrible, horrible person because he wasn't crazy, you 132 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: know what I mean, He was just a just a 133 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: horrible person. Um. And so he's on trial at that time, 134 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: got I think twenty five years, which is like the 135 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: maximum sentence you can get in Canada, come on Canada, 136 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: years for for up to forty nine horrible murders. Um. 137 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: So he was on trial. There are also a lot 138 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: of like really high profile missing people in the area too, 139 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: that it just vanished without a trace in the four 140 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: years leading up to that. Yeah. And you point out 141 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: because you wrote this idea, but actually I was pointing 142 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: out that Christopher Solomon pointed something. Okay, Well, the point is, uh, 143 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: and this is a little strange, but maybe not. I 144 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: don't know. I was trying to make sense of it. 145 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: British Columbia apparently just has a higher than normal rate 146 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: of missing persons than other parts of the world, which 147 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: is weird. Yeah, but I mean like a lot more, yeah, 148 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: more than people over a fifty nine year period. And uh, 149 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: Solomon compared that to Kentucky, which is about the same 150 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: size and population or same size population, they only had 151 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: five and fifteen people missing over that fifty nine years. 152 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: That seemed really low to me. Did eight people a 153 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: year missing in the whole state like that remained missing? Okay? 154 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: Unsolved forever? Yes, because in Kentucky they'll just be like 155 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: he was Uncle Billy's right down the road for a week, 156 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: right exactly. Okay, So like the the the idea is 157 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: that BC has almost five times the number of unsolved 158 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: seeing person's cases over this fifty nine period compared to Kentucky, 159 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: which has about the same size population. It's a lot more, yeah, 160 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: And I mean Solomon might have gone in and selected like, oh, 161 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: Kentucky's got the lowest of the same size population, so 162 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: that will really point it out. But it does seem 163 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: that BC has a large amount of missing persons. Now, uh, 164 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: I bet it has something to do with the terrain 165 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: and the wildlife, probably the abundance of water. Probably that too. 166 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: It's not a good good thing. A lot of heroin, yeah, 167 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: you know, sadly, and they probably go missing, you know, 168 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: in a drug And in addition to the serial killer theory, 169 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: one of them was that these were like people who 170 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: would either run a foul of the local organized crime 171 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: synd kits or um ran a foul of like a 172 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: fellow heroin addict unorganized crime, exactly disorganized Remember that movie? 173 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: What movie disorganized crime? Was that? A movie with Who's 174 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: the the Dude, the Blonde Dude from l A Law 175 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: Corpin Burnson. Yes, it's actually a good movie. Really, I 176 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: haven't seen Smart of decades. Hey, Summer School is one 177 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: of the all time greats. Man, it sounds like that 178 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: kind of movie disorganized crime, Like they're a bunch of 179 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: bumbling criminals. Definitely, But I think like or Fred Gwynn 180 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: was in it, Herman Munster, one of his last roles. 181 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: All right, so you talked about theories. One of the 182 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: other theories, remember we mentioned India manufactured that first shoe. 183 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: Some people said, you know what this is, sadly just 184 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: feet of tsunami survivors from the Indian Ocean disaster December 185 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: two thousand four, and they just years later, these like 186 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: body parts are watching up on shore, which is sort 187 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: of plausible. It is. I mean, two fifty people died 188 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: in that tsunami. A lot, if not most of them 189 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: were never found. Yeah. Also, we had people point out, 190 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: remember when we said that modern disaster flicks are bad, 191 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: We had a bunch of people right in say The 192 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: Impossible it was a great movie, that's the one about Yeah, 193 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: and it was great, it was awesome. But I think 194 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: that's different because that was a uh factual Uh, it's 195 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: about a factual event. But and I categorize it as 196 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: a disaster now. See I don't categorize it as that 197 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: because it was a real thing that happened. Like disaster 198 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: flicks to me are when you know, when you invent 199 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: some crazy disaster. Well okay, well let me ask you this. 200 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: If it were totally fictionalized but the exact same movie, 201 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: would you then consider it as a disaster flick? Yes? Okay, 202 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: so it's like on that scale and everything too. I 203 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: had the impression it was much more just like a 204 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: human interest. Well it became that. But they showed the 205 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: film the Tsunami like it was not amazing, how realistic. 206 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: It is very very tough movie, very hard to watch. 207 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: Have you seen Twelve Years of Slave yet? I still 208 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: cannot bring myself to watch that. That's pretty rough. It's 209 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: just staring at me on my DVR every night. I'm 210 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: gonna it'll be soon. I'll let you know. Okay, I'll 211 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: just come into work crying. Okay, what did I do now? Alright, 212 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: So the tsunami disaster, they said, um, might have been 213 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: one of the reasons. But um, I think other people said, 214 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: you know, maybe that's not the best explanation. Other people said, well, 215 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people just go missing from other things, 216 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: like planes go down in the Salish Sea, which is 217 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: the body of water between I think Vancouver Island and 218 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: mainland British Columbia, which is where most of these were found. 219 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: Is it Salish? I think so. But we'll hear from 220 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: Canadians one way or the other. You say Salish, I say, Salish, 221 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: who's right? Really? You know? All right, well, let's we're 222 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: getting all excited here with these theories. But there were 223 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: more feet to come, and we'll get back to those 224 00:12:49,160 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: feet right after this, So chuck. The when those first 225 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: two feet were found within six days made the rounds, 226 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: people talked about it, and then it's just kind of 227 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: drifted out of the news, right like a foot in 228 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: the ocean exactly. Um. And then a third foot was found, 229 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: and it came roaring back because this is yet another foot, 230 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: a totally different one. This is a woman's foot, actually 231 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: a new balance size seven I think, and Kirkland Island, 232 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: same general area right right, the same forty miles stretch 233 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: along that coastal area. And this is within ten months 234 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: now five ft four people. Yeah, so um, the other 235 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: new balance sneaker was found. That was the fifth foot found. 236 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: And then in between the yeah, they matched the foot 237 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: to the you know, I don't know if that's good 238 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: or bad, but they found the guy's other foot, right 239 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: the the woman that was the woman that they they 240 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: found her two ft yes, so her feet were number 241 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: three and number five to turn up. And in between 242 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: an entirely different person's foot turned up, men's like size 243 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: eleven Nike I think. So yeah. Within within a ten 244 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: month period, there were five feet belonging to four different 245 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: people that turned up on this little stretch. That's right, 246 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: that's significant. Then there was a six foot the next August. 247 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: This was in actually Washington, so I guess it had 248 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: its UH papers in order and made its way to 249 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: the States. And so, like you said, if you're following 250 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: the story at home as it's going on, you're starting 251 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: to think, like, if I go to the beach, I'm 252 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: going to see a foot today. And a lot of 253 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: people did do that. Yeah, a lot of people around 254 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: British Columbius started looking for disembodied feet. They were turning 255 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: up so frequently. And I misspoke, you were right. So 256 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: the seventh foot to turn up was the woman's other foot. 257 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: That's hard to keep track, it really is, all these 258 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: disembodied So how many feet in total, sir? I think 259 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: the last two were found February of this year. Yeah, 260 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: and they actually belonged to the same person. But they 261 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: were found a week or two or so apart. Yeah, 262 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: and I say last, I mean most recent. I'm sure 263 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: more feet will come. It seems that way because between 264 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: so the first foot was found in August two thousand 265 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: and seven. These most recent feet were found in February 266 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen. That total seventeen disembodied feet found 267 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: within a hundred and fifty miles stretched between Tacoma, Washington 268 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: and British Columbia. That's unusual. It seems like it, And 269 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of theories, but no one can stay 270 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: definitively here's what's going on, right, Uh And I know 271 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: we're making a lot of jokes. I realized these feet 272 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: belonged to people who are no longer with us. I 273 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: just want to throw that out there that we do 274 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: a lot of comedy on this show. So we did 275 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: a coma episode that had jokes. I mean, come on, okay, 276 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: I just want to see aw either. Uh. So from 277 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: the beginning, the cops and the Mounties were basically like, 278 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: I don't you know, this seems really fishy. Uh, but 279 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: it's not. We don't think it's murder. We don't think 280 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: there's someone out there killing people and chopping their feet off, 281 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: which is what a lot of people thought, but and 282 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: notably think, because their feet weren't cut off, and you 283 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: can tell right they were. They said that they were 284 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: naturally disarticulated, right, that's right. Um, So that first foot 285 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: that that girl found on Jedediah Island was identified pretty 286 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: quickly because the cops released a picture of the shoe 287 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: to the media. And remember it was a Campus brand 288 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: which has made in India, sold mostly in India. And 289 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: so the guy whose foot it was, his family saw 290 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: it on the news and identified him as somebody who 291 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: he was a longtime sufferer of depression and he was 292 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: in a depressed state when his family last saw him. 293 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: So the cops came to the logical conclusion that he 294 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: had killed himself. So foot number one has been matched 295 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: to a missing person case, right, that's right. Uh. So 296 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: then the new balance shoes turned up on separate islands. Uh, 297 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: this is the woman and she was identified as a 298 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: lady who also was suffering from depression and jumped off 299 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: a bridge. I think they knew this for sure. Yes, 300 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: that's where the woman was last seen, was jumping off 301 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: a bridge. Yeah, this has been four years previous, So 302 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: now they're starting to get a pattern here where all right, 303 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: there was another man to the one on Valde's Island 304 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: feet three and five. Uh, they determined was either suicide 305 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: or accident. And then another couple of people who were 306 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: accidentally killed. And so they see this pattern. Now, all right, 307 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: these are people that just happened to die or died 308 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: by their own hand, um near enough to the water 309 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: where their feet were there. Yes, I'm just being vague 310 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: for now, right, Yeah. But the weird thing is is now, 311 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, in a very short period of time, 312 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: relatively short period of time. Um, I mean because one 313 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: of these guys whose feet turned up was last seen 314 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: after his boat turned over. So in a very short 315 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: period of time, all these people who died a very 316 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: different periods of time, suddenly their feet were starting to 317 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: turn up in this area around the stylish Sailish sea. Yes. Um, 318 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: and the cops had a I guess kind of a 319 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: pretty good idea from the outset. But to understand what 320 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: was going on, or at least what the cops say 321 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: was going on, you have to understand what happens to 322 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: a a person who dies in the water. You think 323 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: that people float, you know, yeah, you kind of think 324 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: that because in movies that you know, if you're trying 325 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: to get rid of a body in the water, you 326 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: always you know, tie submit blocks to a submit shoes, 327 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: is the old joke. You know, somebody turned up like 328 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: that in New York recently, like with submit shoes. Not 329 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: too many movies. But the idea is that you have 330 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: to weight the body down. And I suppose if you 331 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: were going to get rid of a body that I 332 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: would probably do the same thing, just out of you know, 333 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: just cover my basis, just to be sure. Well. The 334 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: thing is, if you do you cement shoes on a person, 335 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: which you should never do that, but if you did, UM, 336 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're not ensuring that they sink right, 337 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: then you're ensuring that they don't come back up, because 338 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: that's what happens body that has gone unconscious or has 339 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: drowned and died. UM sinks pretty quickly, and it usually 340 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: sinks so quick that if you are looking for a 341 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: drowning victim, you you should look on the bottom pretty 342 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: close to where they were last seen on the surface. 343 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: They sink that fast. Man. So a body sinks UM, 344 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: and it will sink faster and fresh water than saltwater 345 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: because saltwaters makes humans a little more buoyant. UM. I 346 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: guess overweight people, people with a lot of fat on 347 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: their bodies sink uh more slowly than people who are leaner. UM. 348 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: And then depending on the water temperature, as well. Um, 349 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: and how deep the water is, they'll sink faster and 350 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: faster as they get to the bottom. Yeah. And depending 351 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: on what you're wearing, Yeah, like a code or shoes 352 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: or something like that that all the way down, or 353 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: a backpack, it's it's definitely gonna pull you down. But 354 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: the point is once you go under, once you submerge, 355 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: and you're dead or you're dying, Um, you're gonna sink 356 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: pretty quick. Yeah, there's more pressure to the deeper you 357 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: get in the body of water. Uh. You mentioned the 358 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: temperature was lower, but there's also more pressure that compresses 359 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: the air in your body, and that's gonna make you 360 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: less floaty as well. So the thing the cool air 361 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: or the cool temperature does down there is it uh 362 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: kind of preserves you for a little while, longer than 363 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: ordinarily because um, the bacteria that will eventually consume your 364 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: body or just gonna be slower you do, so they 365 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: just move more slowly. But that bacteria is eventually gonna overcome, um, 366 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: the sinking of the body, because your body is an 367 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: enclosed system generally roughly, I mean you've got a mouth 368 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: and all that, you know. But as they're eating, they're 369 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: putting out as a waste product. UM gases like methane 370 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. UM, and your body traps that 371 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: stuff and it begins to bloat. And I'm everyone knows 372 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: that once you blow, you float. That's right, that's the 373 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: forensics bumper sticker. Yeah, eventually you're going to rise to 374 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: the top like a dirigible because of those gases that 375 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: are trapped in your body, or like like a submarine. 376 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: I guess do you mean they keep going into the 377 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: air like a blip, You float off and then your 378 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: foot will be found on the moon later. Uh, yeah, 379 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna float. And that's why whenever they people discover 380 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: like a dead body in a lake much later, it's 381 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's not a pretty thing. They're they're bloated 382 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: and puffed out and decomposed. It's not pretty. But if 383 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: you are UM, if you were trapped, say like in 384 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: a vehicle or something like that, and all of this 385 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: takes place, UM, eventually, your your body's going to be 386 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: prevented from floating away and it will eventually rupture. And 387 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: once the rupture happens, all that gas and the um, 388 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: the buoyancy that's created by it is all released and 389 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: you're staying there. You're staying there. And I read this 390 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: article about um. Did you read the article about the 391 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: Oklahoma guy? Yeah? It was really weird. It is so 392 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: like the guy. There was a guy who was um 393 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: whose brother went missing in his Camaro and I think 394 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: like nineteen seventy and he um, he just never knew 395 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: what happened to him, and he used this boat ramp 396 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: on this place called Fosse Lake. And he found out 397 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: later when the cops accidentally discovered the car, that his 398 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: brother had been submerged in just twelve ft of water 399 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: for forty years. All those times he was back in 400 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: his boat into False Lake, his brother was right below him. Yeah, 401 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: isn't that crazy? And they found him accidentally, and then 402 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: they found another car that had gone missing I think 403 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: the year before, just a few feet away. And the 404 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: moral of the story is that False Lake is really murky. 405 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: I mean twelve ft of water, two different cars Camaro, Yeah, Camaro, 406 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: and I think like a packer or something like that, 407 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: or buick Man. Unbelievable. Uh all right, well let's take 408 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: another little break here and we'll talk a little bit 409 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: more about what can happen to a body underwater. And uh, 410 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: what's the deal with all these feet? All right? Uh, 411 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: just this year that was a study. There's some criminologists 412 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 1: at Simon Fraser, you outside of Vancouver, and there's been 413 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of studies like this over the years where 414 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: they we've talked, you know, in our Body Farm episode 415 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: where criminologists and forensics experts try to see what happens 416 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: to bodies under various conditions, including being sunk underwater. Uh. 417 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: So they took a pig carcass in this case not 418 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: a human cad ever, and they sunk it kind of 419 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: near where uh in the Sailors Sea where these feet 420 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: had been appearing. And um, this these pigs carcasses were um, 421 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: they were bones in a matter of days. It was 422 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: really really fast. Yeah, they were really surprised surprisingly fast 423 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,959 Speaker 1: because you know, conventional wisdom is that this took weeks months, 424 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: maybe even, and the other studies had shown that, right, 425 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: and these things, these pigs were like just bones in 426 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: a few days. Um. They think it's possible that the 427 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: Sailors Sea is um an anomaly because this was an 428 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: almost a thousand feet of water, but it's really highly oxygenated, 429 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: so there's a lot of life down there, um, a 430 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: lot more things to eat a body exactly, whereas if 431 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: you took it to another body of water and a 432 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: thousand feet there, there might not be as much oxygen, 433 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: so it might take longer. But for the sailors c 434 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: it's possible for something to be reduced to bones in 435 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: a few days. Yeah, here was my one problem with 436 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,479 Speaker 1: the way they did this study. Maybe I overthought it, 437 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: but they trapped it under fencing, um, which presumably means 438 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: that that was just you know, kind of in one 439 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: place the whole time. I would have, like, if you're 440 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: going to simulate a human body, I would have uh 441 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: maybe shackled a leg and and put a long leader 442 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: a hundred so it could move around and see what 443 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: a body would do. See the site, because a body 444 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: can move on the bottom a little because there's currents, 445 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: so you know, there's just you know, minor gripe. But yeah, 446 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: have you seen did you see the video of it, 447 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: the time elapse video. It's really something. It's gross. Don't 448 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: need it. So um. There was another study that I 449 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: found that really kind of um ties all this together. 450 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,239 Speaker 1: It was from and it was carried out by the 451 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: corner of King's County, which is where Seattle is, and 452 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: Um he or she I think it was heat Um 453 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: looked at bodies that have been pulled from the water, 454 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: and he took the amount of time they've been in 455 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: the water submerged, and then uh, the amount of body 456 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: parts that were left or exactly what body parts are left, 457 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: and basically went back and reverse engineered the process by 458 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: which a body comes apart when it submerged underwater. That's 459 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: valuable information, it really is, you know. And so what 460 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: they what they came up with was that the the skin, 461 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: the thinnest areas of skin typically cover like joints like 462 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: your wrists and ankles, does get eaten away first, which 463 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: exposes that soft tissue beneath that holds your hand to 464 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: your arm or your foot to your leg, and then 465 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: that gets attacked by scavengers and all the other stuff 466 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: that's eating it. And so between the things eating that 467 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: soft tissue holding the bones together and the wave action 468 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: of the currents at the bottom of the body of water, 469 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: the hands and then the feet were loose, they disarticulate, 470 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: so they naturally will fall off the body as the 471 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: body's decomposing submerged underwater and they are among the first 472 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: parts to go. That's right. And if you're just a 473 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: foot and you're not wearing a shoe, um, then chances 474 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: are that foot will get consumed and you will never 475 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: see it again. Although one of these feet was a 476 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: barefoot correct, which seems to be a little bit of 477 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: an outlier, a little bit um. But if you've got 478 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: a shoe on that thing that's tied up nice and tight, 479 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: and you're disarticulated at the ankle, that foot is still 480 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: inside that shoe, gonna make it really hard for a 481 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: scavenger to get in there. And it's very possible that 482 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: that foot will not decomposed, or at least decomposed very slowly. Right, 483 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: And not only that, will it be protected once it disarticulates. 484 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: If it's wearing a certain kind of shoe, specifically an 485 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: athletic shoe that's made in the last like, uh twenty years, 486 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna have air injected into the soul. And in 487 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: the case of like remember Nike Air max Is, they 488 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: had actual air pockets like in the in between the 489 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: soul and the bottom of the shoe, and that actually 490 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: creates a buoyant effect that will lift a shoe including 491 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: one that has a foot still inside to the surface. Yeah. 492 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: So they started looking all these cases and they said, well, 493 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: almost all of these are athletic shoes, so that makes sense, 494 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: and it's gonna bob upside down because of that rubbery soul, 495 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: so it's going to be protected even more from birds 496 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: and things. So what we have here is a case 497 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: of people that just happened to die and their feet 498 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: happen to come away from their bodies and be well 499 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,239 Speaker 1: protected by these awesome running shoes and eventually made their 500 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: ways to shore. Um. But a little bit weird that 501 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: they would happen in this area in such a span 502 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: of time. I would still say, right, that's a that's 503 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: to me the um and and we should say, that's 504 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: what you just said. That's the cops position, and it 505 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: has been basically since the outset, since the first foot 506 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: was found. Basically nothing to see here, and there's not 507 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,239 Speaker 1: a lot there too, um to undermine it or attack it. Like. 508 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: It's a pretty sound position. But there is still a 509 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: mystery to it to me in that why British Columbia 510 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: like it. It doesn't make sense, And there's a couple 511 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: of explanations. One is that the Sailors Sea is something 512 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: like a lagoon to where water flows in from the 513 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: Pacific Ocean from the south northward into the Sailors Sea, 514 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: and once stuff goes in there, it basically recirculates. It 515 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: doesn't come back out very often. Well that when you 516 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: see the sign that says sailors see it says feet 517 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: flow in, they don't out exactly right. So once you 518 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: see that sign, you're like, well, there's the explanation. Um. 519 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: The idea is that the Sailor Sea would experience higher 520 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: incidents of flots some of all types, including feet, which 521 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: is one explanation it could be right, Well, I'm sure 522 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: that has something to do with it. Sure. The other 523 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: explanation is um, one of my favorite things in the world, 524 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: which is a version of uh. Well, there's a couple 525 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: of names for it. UM. There was a guy named 526 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: arnold's Wicki uh in two thousand six of linguistics professor 527 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: at Stanford who coined the term frequency illusion. And that's 528 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: one of the cognitive biases. UM. We're basically if you 529 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: are looking for something, you're gonna find it. All these 530 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: people saw in the news feet washing up on the shore, 531 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: So like you said, they all started looking for feet, 532 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: and every time a foot was found, it just supported 533 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: the idea that, yes, there's something really weird going on here, 534 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: which only increased the awareness and the focus on this 535 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: means that people started seeing more and more feet, that's right. 536 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: So frequency illusions specifically is a mix of selective attention 537 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: and confirmation bias. So in this case, selective attention unconsciously 538 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: keeping an eye out for that new thing that you 539 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: were just told about, which is the feat uh. And 540 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: the confirmation bias in this case is the reassurance that 541 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: it's just proof, more and more proof of its omnipresence. 542 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: More feet. You could see that happening here for sure. 543 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: Pretty interesting. It's called the bottom mine Haff phenomenon too. Yeah. 544 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know where that came from. That was a 545 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: dude until I looked it up. It was just a 546 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: comment or on a on the Pioneer Press of St. 547 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: Paul discussion board, and he had heard about the bottom 548 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: mine Haff terrorist group a couple of times and one 549 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: day and for the first time, yeah, and just said, 550 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: you know, bottom mine Huff phenomenon, and it became a meme. 551 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: I thought it was more. I don't I thought it 552 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: was cooler than that. I thought there was some cool 553 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: explanation that wasn't just some dude online. It definitely sounds 554 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: cooler than it is. It sounds way cooler than it is. 555 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: But it's a common thing, and people, Uh, you talk 556 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: about eleven eleven on the clock is a big one 557 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, say, you know, I see 558 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: eleven eleven all the time in the clock. It's because 559 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: you're looking for it, sure frequency illusion. It's not actually 560 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: happening more than it ever was. You're just paying more 561 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: attention to it now. And this is really really unnerving suggestion, man, 562 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: because it's it says that feet washing up on the 563 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: shore is way more common than and of us realizing 564 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: that if you went over and picked up an athletic 565 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: shoe on a beach somewhere, there's a good chance that 566 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: there's going to be a foot inside. We just aren't 567 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: aware of this, as is human beings and outside of Vancouver, right, right, 568 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: So that makes Vancouver the capital of the disembodied, the 569 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: disembodied feet capital of the world. I don't know that 570 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: that necessarily holds up, though, I don't think it's been explained. Yeah, 571 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: because I mean I bet. I bet you it's frequency illusion. 572 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,479 Speaker 1: I I disagree. I think it's something else. I think 573 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: it probably has to do with the hydrology or something 574 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: about Vancouver or British Columbia. There's this some database called 575 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: name US and it's like a catalog of unidentified remains. 576 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: And I did a search for disarticulated foot and out 577 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: of like forty thousand unidentified remains in the US were 578 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: from Vancouver. The only three were disarticulated feet, and one 579 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: was found in the Washington state area, So you could 580 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: technically kind of included in that weird Vancouver clump. One 581 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: was in Maryland and one was in Dallas. That was it. 582 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: So it does really seem like Vancouver has a higher 583 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: than usual incidence of disarticulated feat showing up in its area. Wow, 584 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: which is weird? Are you in the case? No, I'm 585 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: just a fan, Okay, So you got anything else? No? 586 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: I just realized that I've been like rotating my feet 587 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: around and just feel sort of Uh. If you want 588 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: to know more about this, um you can. Actually there 589 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: are three really good articles that I read in addition 590 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: to some other ones, but three stood out. One was 591 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: by Winston Ross of The Daily Beast one was on 592 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: Pacific Standard. I didn't see an author, and then Christomers 593 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: Christopher Solomon's outside article. Those are all pretty stand out. Uh. 594 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: And since I said stand out, it's time for a listener. Now, 595 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this Internet Roundup. I don't know if 596 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 1: people watch, but we have an Internet show called Internet Roundup. 597 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 1: Several hundred people watch, Yeah, and it's like the silliest 598 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: thing we do. We sit down in this studio on 599 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: video and we just talked about a couple of things 600 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: on the Internet that we think our neat. So that 601 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: is a setup. Hey, guys, I was recently on a 602 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: Delta flight and they show these on Delta, and this 603 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: is not an advert. I was recently on adults flight 604 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: from Atlanta at Austin keeping an eye out for your hat, Chuck. 605 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: I got very excited when I remembered I could watch 606 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: your Internet round Up show on the plane to pass 607 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 1: the time. Because we began our descend in Austin, sudden 608 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: thunderstorms developed. It was quite bumpy, to say the least. 609 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 1: If you have never been on a plane that unsuccessfully 610 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: tried to land in a thunderstorm, I don't recommend it. 611 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: I just had listened to your How to Survive a 612 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: Plane Crash episode from two thousand and eight just that 613 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: week before, and I remember thinking how grateful I was 614 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: that I was in the back of the plane, because 615 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: Chuck said I had a better chance of surviving that way. Uh, 616 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: it's not much of a chance, but sure. I just 617 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: thought you would like to know that despite the horrible 618 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: weather going on, I never lost connection with your show. Uh. 619 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: Watching Internet round up and able to listen and watch 620 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 1: you guys really helped me keep calm until our pilot 621 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: finally gave up trying to land and diverted the plane 622 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:59,479 Speaker 1: to Houston. That's even scarier. You know, I'm not gonna 623 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: try anymore. Well, let's just go to Houston close enough. Yeah. Uh. 624 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: In the end, everyone made it to Austin safely, though, 625 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: So thanks for everything you guys do. And that is 626 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: from Lauren Sprouse. 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