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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: Draft Night tonight, day one of a two day affair.

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Speaker 2: Jay Billis from the Mothership will join us. Coming up.

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Speaker 2: You have the Nets with five first round picks. They

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Speaker 2: got a total of six picks. They have a second

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Speaker 2: round pick as well. Dallas, San Antonio, Philly and Charlotte

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Speaker 2: will lead off the festivities. Celtics ship Chris tops porzingis

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Speaker 2: to the Hawks and the Map. They locked up Kyrie

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Speaker 2: Irving for an extension and the Pelicans and the Wizards

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Speaker 2: had a trade with CJ. McCollum. And who was the

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Speaker 2: Jordan Poole. I was gonna say, the guy who got punched,

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Speaker 2: Oh no, that is that the lead for them? That's

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Speaker 2: kind of how he's known. Probably you know, the guy

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Speaker 2: who got punched, you know by Draymond Green, his teammate,

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Speaker 2: Jordan Poole. Yes, that guy. So I think there's gonna

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Speaker 2: be you know, more trade action. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it'll be a flurry, but I do think that things

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Speaker 2: are changing in the NBA. And we'll get to what

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Speaker 2: the Denver Nuggets were accidentally or maybe not accidentally hinting

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Speaker 2: at yesterday during a press conference that'll be coming up

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Speaker 2: eight seven, seven to three. DP Show email address Dpatdanpatrick

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Speaker 2: dot com, Twitter handle a DP show operator Tyler sitting by.

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Speaker 2: He'll take your phone calls. We look at the draft

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Speaker 2: sometimes as well. We'll find our star in the draft,

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Speaker 2: and there are some stars they're just not ready made.

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Speaker 2: Keep in mind, Cooper Flag is around the same age

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Speaker 2: as Lebron was when Lebron came into the NBA. I

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Speaker 2: think there's maybe eight or ten days difference between their ages,

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Speaker 2: and Cooper Flag kind of circumvented the Hey, you got

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Speaker 2: to go to college for a year, so he reclassified.

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Speaker 2: He should be graduating from high school. He should have

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Speaker 2: just graduated maybe last week. But he reclassified, played on

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Speaker 2: a really good team at Mont Verde in Florida, and

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Speaker 2: went to Duke. So now he's coming out as an

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Speaker 2: eighteen year old, same age as Lebron. Basically, here's Lebron

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Speaker 2: James talking about Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 3: I personally think that he wants to be great. You know,

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Speaker 3: he had a hell of a year at Duke. Guy

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Speaker 3: that can do so many different things on the floor,

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Speaker 3: can play with the ball.

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Speaker 2: Can play without the ball.

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Speaker 3: You know, his jump shot is going to continue to

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Speaker 3: get better super athletic quick second jump. And also he

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Speaker 3: gets to join a team that's established right with Hall

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Speaker 3: of Fame guys Klay Thompson, Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irvin right

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Speaker 3: off the bat, Hall of Fame coach Jason Kidd. You know,

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Speaker 3: these guys are like, they can give him the whole blueprint,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's going to be an incredible thing

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Speaker 3: for him to have.

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Speaker 2: Lebron didn't have that when he came out went to

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Speaker 2: the Cavaliers. That's from the Mind the Game podcast that

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Speaker 2: Lebron does with Steve Nash. If Cooper Flagg was a

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Speaker 2: quarterback and we were leading up to the draft, we

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Speaker 2: would have already heard the he doesn't do this. Here's

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Speaker 2: the downside, here's some negatives. I haven't heard any negatives

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Speaker 2: of Cooper flag Now. I'm sure there are. As Lebron

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Speaker 2: said he can improve his jump shot. But in the

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Speaker 2: NFL draft, what happens with these quarterbacks They either start

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Speaker 2: out where you don't know much about and then you

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Speaker 2: get a riser and then all of a sudden, somebody

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Speaker 2: slips into the first round or in the lottery, or

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Speaker 2: this guy can't miss to then leading up to the draft.

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Speaker 2: He can miss. We got big questions about him. Happens

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Speaker 2: every year. But with Cooper Flag, I mean, we don't

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Speaker 2: nitpick with NBA draft picks. We don't nitpick with high

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Speaker 2: draft picks in Major League Baseball, but we do with football,

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Speaker 2: certainly at the quarterbacking position. But Cooper Flag, he is

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Speaker 2: a quarterback or should be treated as a quarterback. And

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to Jay billis what are the negatives or

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Speaker 2: downside or things that Cooper. I mean, he's only eighteen.

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Speaker 2: He can't be you know, the full package right now. Now,

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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean he won't be, but at eighteen, he's

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Speaker 2: going to be an eighteen year old at times out

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Speaker 2: and it feels like there's a lot of momentum on

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Speaker 2: him going to the right team. That's key to As

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Speaker 2: I talked about this many times in different sports. You

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Speaker 2: And this is where you look at just how much

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Speaker 2: I think he's going to be the best player in

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Speaker 2: wasn't asked to do much. He's playing in San Antonio.

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Speaker 2: We've seen players play there. There's not a you know,

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Speaker 2: the media scrutiny. He was able to kind of develop.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully the blood clot is going to be healed and

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Speaker 2: But you go there, how many wins did San Antonio

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Speaker 2: have last year? How many did they have the previous year?

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Speaker 2: Nobody cared. We allowed him to develop. Cooper Flag's going

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Speaker 2: to go to Dallas. I don't think he'll be the

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Speaker 2: he's going to be asked to do Basically, it'll change

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Speaker 2: I don't think that he'll be locked into You better

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Speaker 2: got to give twenty points. I don't think that he'll

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Speaker 2: be asked to do that. I think if he does,

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Speaker 2: that'll be a luxury. But I think Jason Kidd easing

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Speaker 2: him in and letting him find out exactly what this

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Speaker 2: But you've already got guys who've won championships, you got

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Speaker 2: future Hall of Fame coach and Jason Kidd. And now

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Speaker 2: you're asking Cooper Flag to just be one of the guys.

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Speaker 2: If he went to Washington, if he went to Brooklyn,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't. He's not allowed to be just one of

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Speaker 2: them play, you're going to kind of have to find him.

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Speaker 2: If he played with Brooklyn or Washington or some of

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Speaker 2: because defenses can't load up on him in Dallas. In

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Speaker 2: stand out for a variety of reasons. But I think

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Speaker 2: going to the right team at the right time and

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Speaker 2: understand this he's eighteen, and I said, he's probably going

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Speaker 2: to make a billion dollars on the court in the

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Speaker 2: he's an All Star many times over. Let's say he's

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Speaker 2: an All Star six times, seven times, eighteen years of age.

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Speaker 2: you're going to make two hundred and fifty three hundred

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Speaker 2: He is going to be twenty nine years of age

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Speaker 2: when this new TV deal is done. Over the course

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Speaker 2: of those eleven years, what's he going to make. He'll

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Speaker 2: make a half a billion dollars. And that's just on

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Speaker 2: the court. Somebody's got to get paid. Like we go

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Speaker 2: crazy when we go can you believe that guy makes

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Speaker 2: fifty million? Well, there's an amount of money and you

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Speaker 2: got to pay it to somebody because you only have

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Speaker 2: a certain number of players on the roster, and that's

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Speaker 2: where you're going to get. Somebody's going to get to

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Speaker 2: eighty million dollars here, and it's probably Shay Gilgis or

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Speaker 2: Luca at some point they're going to make eighty million dollars.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're not far off from one hundred million

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Speaker 2: dollars a year. But Cooper Flag is ready to go

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Speaker 2: number one to the Dallas Mavericks. Yes point.

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Speaker 4: They project a few different business websites project in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty eight, the Supermac's salary will be seventy two million

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Speaker 4: year every year after that at least.

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Speaker 2: But we do lock in and we go okay, maybe

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Speaker 2: a Luca or Victor Winmbenyama or Cooper Flag. But there

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Speaker 2: are times when you get guys who are undrafted. You

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Speaker 2: know Fred van Vliet, he was one of the cornerstones

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Speaker 2: undrafted heart of the Pistons O four championship run Hall

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Speaker 2: kind of slip through the cracks. But those guys are

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Speaker 2: so instrumental, and it leads me to what's going on

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Speaker 2: in Denver, because yesterday the Nuggets held a press conference.

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Speaker 2: Josh Kronki, his dad Stan Kronky, owns Damn He owns

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Speaker 2: a few other franchises. So you're doing sort of I

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Speaker 2: guess exit interview. They're just hiring a couple of front

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Speaker 2: going into this last season. I said, you didn't do anything.

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Speaker 2: help me. I like Aaron Gordon a lot. Jamal Murray

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Speaker 2: And I'm listening to Josh Cronk, one of the owners

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Speaker 2: once again, this is unprovoked. I don't think anybody went

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Speaker 2: the possibility of maybe maybe trading the best player in

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Speaker 5: I think that for us as an organization, going into

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Speaker 5: that second apron is not necessarily something that we're scared of.

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Speaker 5: I think that there are rules around it that we

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Speaker 6: With our injury history.

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Speaker 5: The wrong person gets injured, and very quickly you're into

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Speaker 5: a scenario where that I never want to have to

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Speaker 5: contemplate and at to trade in number fifteen. You know,

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Speaker 5: we're very conscious of that pushing forward and you know,

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Speaker 5: providing the resources that we can when the moment arrives.

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Speaker 5: But that second apron is it a hard cap? I'm

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Speaker 5: not one hundred percent sure, but it's something that teams

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Speaker 2: Okay, he's part of ownership. He doesn't even know about

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Speaker 2: the second apron. First of all, it appears as if

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Speaker 2: he doesn't know what it is. Why would you bring

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Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs ownership got in front of the media

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Speaker 2: and said, you know, we're all about transparency. I mean,

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Speaker 2: to trade number fifteen. The sports world would explode today

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Speaker 2: if the Chiefs did that. Is this an accident by

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Speaker 2: Josh Kronkey. I don't know how well versed he is

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Speaker 2: when it's always total transparency, but then if you ask

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Speaker 2: don't tell me you're all about transparency here. When's the

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Speaker 2: last time you thought about trading Joker? Has Joker asked

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Speaker 2: to be traded? When's the last time you received a

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Speaker 2: call about joking? Like, if we're doing total transparency, great,

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Speaker 2: I'm all for it. But to me and I listened

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Speaker 2: to it. Now, I think four or five times, I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to be fair to the Nuggets with this. But

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Speaker 2: then the more I think about this, I think this

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Speaker 2: That felt like it's, hey, we might be screwing up

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Speaker 2: You go into those press conferences. You know what you're

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Speaker 2: you can't be surprised. I don't think there was any

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Speaker 2: Hi, this is Jay.

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Speaker 1: Who wha what what the hell are you doing in

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Speaker 7: Get him, Paulie, Ignore that fool.

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Speaker 2: Jay Billis ESPN NBA College Basketball Analyst. Do you guys

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Speaker 2: know that Jay Billis was drafted? Now, this is before

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Speaker 2: they it was just a two round draft, Paulie, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: We looked it up and the draft was seven rounds

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Speaker 4: back then, and Jay picked by the Dallas Mavericks pick

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Speaker 8: What was that night like for you, Jay? I think

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Speaker 8: it was about two am when I got drafted. David

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Speaker 8: And I was like, could you just wave me in

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Speaker 2: Cooper Flag. It feels like if he was an NFL

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Speaker 2: And also the situation he's going into a lot of

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Speaker 8: But he he takes advantage of every opportunity. And he

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Speaker 8: the within the confines of a really good team. I

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Speaker 8: think that's a huge factor for him in his development,

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Speaker 8: as he's going to a team that's going to contend

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Speaker 8: as soon as Kyrie gets helping.

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Speaker 2: Who's the next best player in this draft?

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Speaker 6: Dylan Harper of Rutgers.

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Speaker 8: I mean, he's the he's the second best prospect left handed.

436
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Speaker 8: He's got size, really good length, He's got like a

437
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Speaker 8: six to ten wingspan, he's probably six four sixty five.

438
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Speaker 8: But he really good at pick and roll. He's the

439
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Speaker 8: best pick and roll guard in this draft and can

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Speaker 8: get into the lane. He makes plays at the rim.

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Speaker 8: He's physical and so he can take He can absorb

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Speaker 8: a shot and still make a play. You know, he

443
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Speaker 8: splits defenders. He can read when his reads are really good.

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Speaker 8: But seventy five percent of his points, this is not

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Speaker 8: a negative, seventy five percent of his points came unassistant.

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Speaker 6: He had to do a lot on his own.

447
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Speaker 8: He played with another great talent in Ace Bailey, but

448
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Speaker 8: they didn't have much more than that, so he had

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Speaker 8: he really had to. They had a losing record. They're

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Speaker 8: fifteen and seventeen, they're eight and ten in the in

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Speaker 8: the Big Ten. You know, he barely made the Big

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Speaker 8: Ten tournament. So you know he's going to face a

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Speaker 8: couple of questions about, you know, you had two lottery

454
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Speaker 8: picks on your team, how do not win more? But

455
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Speaker 8: but he's he's the real deal. He's really good, and

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Speaker 8: I can't imagine san Antonio trading that pick. I think

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Speaker 8: they're taking him even though they need shooting and he's

458
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Speaker 8: not a great shooter. He makes shots, but he's not

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Speaker 8: a knockdown shooter. I think he'll improve there. I just

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Speaker 8: can't imagine anybody else going.

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Speaker 2: To con Knipple maybe moving into the top five.

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Speaker 8: I think he's been there for a while. You know,

463
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Speaker 8: it's a lot of people have said the draft starts

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Speaker 8: at three with Philly, so they could be it could

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Speaker 8: be VJ. Edgecombe at from Baylor, nineteen year old freshman

466
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Speaker 8: from the Bahamas who's kind of a reminds me a

467
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Speaker 8: lot of Victor Oladipot or like a Dwayne wait At

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Speaker 8: nineteen not saying, you know, he's he's there. You know,

469
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Speaker 8: he's those guys when they were, you know, in the NBA.

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Speaker 8: But if you compare him at nineteen, he can compares

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Speaker 8: really favorably, like super athletic, gets to the rim, can

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Speaker 8: really guard, gets a lot done on defense, a lot

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Speaker 8: of deflection, steals, stuff like that. I think he had

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Speaker 8: fifteen games with multiple steals and had set a freshman

475
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Speaker 8: record of Baylor for steels. And then you know, you

476
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Speaker 8: could see Knipple. That's possible because he's the best. He's

477
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Speaker 8: the best shooter in the draft. But I make a

478
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Speaker 8: kind of a qualification, he's the best stand still shooter.

479
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Speaker 8: So forty eight percent from corner threes, he catches it

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Speaker 8: to shoot it.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't catch it ready to shoot.

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Speaker 8: He catches it to fire it up, and you got

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Speaker 8: to take it away from him, and he shot great percentages.

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Speaker 8: But you know, Ace Bailey is the next most talented

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Speaker 8: player after Harper, who was Harper's teammate at Rutgers. And

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Speaker 8: he's a really tough shot maker, like he can make

487
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Speaker 8: really challenge he makes NBA shots right now at age eighteen,

488
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Speaker 8: he's just barely older than Cooper Flag really really young.

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Speaker 6: But there's some question marks.

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Speaker 8: People say maturity canceled some workouts stuff like that, which

491
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Speaker 8: might not have been the most professional thing to do.

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Speaker 6: I don't have a problem with him not going to workouts.

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Speaker 8: You'n't going to want to go to workout and you're

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Speaker 8: content being drafted a little lower.

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Speaker 6: That's fine. It's your money. But if you schedule a workout,

496
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Speaker 6: you should show up for it.

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Speaker 8: And a couple, you know, maybe once or twice, didn't

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Speaker 8: do that, and I think that gives people a little

499
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Speaker 8: little nervous.

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Speaker 2: And I'm wondering this strategy behind this, because it feels

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Speaker 2: like there's strategy that Ace Bailey's not going to go

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Speaker 2: to Philadelphia. There's certain teams he's not going to work

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Speaker 2: out for, and I don't know if that means they

504
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Speaker 2: are still going to draft him, or does he want

505
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Speaker 2: to land with Washington or Brooklyn or is somebody going

506
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Speaker 2: to swoop in and say, hey, we can get a

507
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Speaker 2: bargain here. What do you think the logic is here?

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Speaker 6: I don't really know.

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Speaker 8: I've heard that's the logic that he'd rather go to

510
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Speaker 8: a place like Washington or New Orleans or or Brooklyn.

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Speaker 8: But that's a lot of money you're giving up just

512
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Speaker 8: by you know, from three to six or you know,

513
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Speaker 8: who knows, maybe he goes number eight, that that can happen.

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Speaker 8: I don't I don't have a problem. Look, if he

515
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Speaker 8: wants to give up the money, that's his business. I don't,

516
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Speaker 8: you know, I don't care. Do whatever you want. But

517
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Speaker 8: but your point is correct, Like that doesn't stop Philly

518
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Speaker 8: from taking him a number three. If he's the most

519
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Speaker 8: talented player, I'd take him if you if you're convinced

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Speaker 8: that he's the most talented and he's the sort of

521
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Speaker 8: has the most upside, and he does at that spot,

522
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Speaker 8: he's got the most potential. But it's one of these

523
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Speaker 8: risks reward things. So you hear people say, well, you know,

524
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Speaker 8: he's one of those dangerous guys that if you take

525
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Speaker 8: him and it doesn't work out, you get fired. And

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Speaker 8: if you don't take him and he turns out to

527
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Speaker 8: be a great player, get fired. And you're like, well,

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Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: What to tell you.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's the old Hyman Roth line from the Godfather.

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Speaker 8: This is the business we've chosen. I'm sorry you got

532
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Speaker 8: the you got that pick. If you take him, don't

533
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Speaker 8: take him, you know, But everybody's got a chance to

534
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 8: get fired.

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Speaker 2: Jay bilissaid, the mother Ship Draft coverage starts at seven

536
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Speaker 2: eastern on ESPN, eight o'clock on ABC. We came up

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Speaker 2: with a nickname for Cooper Flag You ready, I'm ready, Okay.

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Speaker 2: He's from Maine, and we thought the rarest of lobsters

539
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Speaker 2: is the white lobster, so he would have his logo

540
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Speaker 2: of a lobster. So he's the white lobster.

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Speaker 8: Wow, that's interesting. And I noticed you said, we, uh

542
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Speaker 8: so you have collective credit. That's so profoundly stupid. It

543
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Speaker 8: sounds like Polly came up with it.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, you're right. He did nailed it. You know,

545
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: you know, profound stupidity quick when you hit it. Yeah, yeah,

546
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Speaker 2: he right there, you head on it right away. So

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Speaker 2: the white I was listening to it, so white lobsters. Yeah,

548
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Speaker 2: I was trying to take a little bit of credit there,

549
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Speaker 2: but then I wasn't going to take any blame. Yes, Paul, Jay,

550
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Speaker 2: let it marin a little bit. Don't be so rush

551
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Speaker 2: to make the decision the white lump stack.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, yeah, marinate a little butter sauce. I do

553
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Speaker 8: you know he has been called the main event. Yeah,

554
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Speaker 8: Malika Andrews asked him about it, and he said, well,

555
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Speaker 8: I like it. I just can't imagine somebody calling me

556
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Speaker 8: that to my face, and you know, being a duke guy,

557
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 8: he's probably called a lot of things to his face

558
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Speaker 8: that he doesn't like. But I don't know if we

559
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Speaker 8: have to force it. Like I was just up in

560
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Speaker 8: Maine at a charity event, and he's a god there.

561
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Speaker 8: Like if he walked down the street right next to

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Speaker 8: Taylor Swift, people would knock Taylor Swift over to get

563
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Speaker 8: to him. That's how big of a deal he is

564
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Speaker 8: in Maine. And it's really pretty remarkable that that sort

565
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Speaker 8: of quiet state. They're obviously incredibly proud, but he like,

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Speaker 8: I don't think I've seen anything quite like that. The

567
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Speaker 8: entire state. All they talk about is Cooper flag, and

568
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Speaker 8: I couldn't walk down the street without getting Cooper flag questions.

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Speaker 8: It was really kind of amazing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I want you to cu your eyes and just

571
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Speaker 2: envision this with the upcoming season. Kevin Harlan with the call, well,

572
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Speaker 2: white Lobster is on a roll. He's just put it

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Speaker 2: in the biscuit again. A seventeen to four running The

574
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Speaker 2: Hawks want to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: This.

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Speaker 2: This is the NBA on TNT. Now you can open

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Speaker 2: your eyes.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm unmoved. Okay, don't I don't see that. I

579
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 8: don't see that sticking. Okay, I do have a I

580
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 8: was asked a trivia question recently that got my head scratching.

581
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Speaker 8: The last American born white player to go number.

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Speaker 2: One overall, Kent Benson.

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Speaker 6: Very good. That was off the top of your head

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Speaker 6: or head? You research that?

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Speaker 2: Well, how am I doing? You just asked me the question.

586
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Speaker 2: I didn't know the question before to do my research. Well, yeah,

587
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Speaker 2: but if I wasn't listening when you held this.

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Speaker 8: If I would have looked it up, you know, like

589
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Speaker 8: thought about it. But when I was asked a couple

590
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Speaker 8: months ago, I was scratching my head going back.

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Speaker 6: But Ken Benson is exactly right. I went toward Bill Walton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But I follow the game a little closer than

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Speaker 2: you do, especially college. Yeah. Okay, I mean Mark Allery

594
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Speaker 2: I think was drafted by the Bullets, wasn't he?

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Speaker 8: No, he was drafted by the Denver Nuggets. He went

596
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Speaker 8: number sixteen overall. Did he play for the Bullets so

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Speaker 8: he went to the Nuggets. Did he eventually play for

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Speaker 8: the Bullets.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he was traded to the Bullets and still lives

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Speaker 6: in the Washington area, lives in Bethesta now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and his daughter, one of his daughters really

602
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Speaker 2: good in college, I think.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, his daughter, Bella was an All American at Princeton

604
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Speaker 8: and was the fifth overall pick of the Dallas Wings

605
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Speaker 8: and the WNBA Draft. And now she's so she's my

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Speaker 8: goddaughter now an assistant coach at Georgetown.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah. Has the nil era been good for college basketball?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? It certainly made it more honest. I know, some

609
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 8: of the old school coaches don't like it. And the

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Speaker 8: NCAA is still, you know, fighting the idea of calling

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Speaker 8: athletes employees. They don't want to do that, but it look,

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Speaker 8: you know my stance on this, this has been professional

613
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Speaker 8: sports for a long time, and they've been violating federal

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Speaker 8: anti trust law by limiting the players. They're still violating

615
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Speaker 8: it with this new settlement. But at least the new

616
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 8: settlement gives the NCAA some time to come up with

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Speaker 8: a framework that's going to work long term, and that

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Speaker 8: is either going to be in my view, collective bargaining

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Speaker 8: with the players or going to Congress and asking Congress

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Speaker 8: to make this House settlement into law for them.

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Speaker 6: But it's not going to look exactly like the House Settlement.

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Speaker 8: I can't imagine a scenario where Congress says, yes, we're

623
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Speaker 8: willing to limit the players, but coaches, you can still

624
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Speaker 8: make ten twelve million dollars and we'll.

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Speaker 6: Call this, we'll call this day like that.

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Speaker 8: Everybody's going to be limited if if that, if Congress

627
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Speaker 8: comes in, but it buys them some time to actually,

628
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Speaker 8: you know, get this thing right. But what it's doing, Dan,

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Speaker 8: I think it's keeping more players cool longer, which is

630
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Speaker 8: what the system says they've always wanted. You know, if

631
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Speaker 8: you believe in education, they're getting more education, and the

632
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 8: schools are benefiting because they're getting more years of service

633
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 8: out of their player assets. So I don't think it's

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00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 8: it's anything but a good thing. And the players are

635
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 8: becoming not only financially literate, they can they can have

636
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 8: generational wealth from this if they do it the right way.

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Speaker 8: You're still going to have some players that blow the

638
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 8: money or whatever. That's going to happen. But I think

639
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 8: it's nothing but a good thing. They just have to

640
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 8: figure out the structure of it to make it work

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Speaker 8: for everybody.

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Speaker 2: We were reminiscing of players we thought coming out of college,

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Speaker 2: we're going to be Hall of famers. Glenn Robinson. We

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Speaker 2: just thought that guy can't miss. There were certain guys

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Speaker 2: where you go, Okay, that guy is going to be incredible.

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Speaker 2: Give me the guy that you whiffed on. There you go,

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Speaker 2: that guy is going to be a Hall of famer.

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Speaker 6: That I whiffed on.

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Speaker 8: Well, I thought Odin was going to be really good,

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Speaker 8: and and I do think it was because of injury.

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Speaker 8: I just don't know of any teams that wouldn't have

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Speaker 8: taken him number one, you know, seven. Maybe there might

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Speaker 8: have been one or two. And I don't remember a

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Speaker 8: whole lot of us talking heads shaking our fists saying

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Speaker 8: this is crazy, you have to take Kevin Durant. There

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Speaker 8: might have been some of those, but I don't remember

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Speaker 8: very many.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, that was a whiff.

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Speaker 8: And that's that's probably one of the things that this

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Speaker 8: is my twenty third draft, and I think when I

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Speaker 8: first started doing it, I probably arrogantly thought, after doing

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Speaker 8: all this work that I knew, you know, I know

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Speaker 8: that whether this player is going to be good or not,

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Speaker 8: and maybe having my first draft be the Lebron draft

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Speaker 8: where you did know. But you know now I believe

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Speaker 8: certain things. But you know, everybody that nobody knows like

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Speaker 8: you know, hands up all those that thought that Shay

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Speaker 8: Gilders Alexander when he was taking eleventh overall was going

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Speaker 8: to be an MVP. Or when Nikola Jokic was taken

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Speaker 8: during a Taco Bell commercial. We were in commercial and

671
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Speaker 8: it was a Taco Bell commercial and he got drafted

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Speaker 8: in the forties and now he's considered the best player

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Speaker 8: in the world.

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Speaker 6: We don't know.

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Speaker 8: You do the best you can, and you have players

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Speaker 8: you like and players you question, and some of the

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Speaker 8: players you question turn out to be great, and some

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Speaker 8: of the players you like turn out to be less

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Speaker 8: than that. It's a weird process. But we're going to

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Speaker 8: look back this year and say, how did we miss

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Speaker 8: on a Sir Newel or stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: You know that's going to happen to the former Dallas Maverick.

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Speaker 2: Great Jay billis more of Jay tonight where he probably

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Speaker 2: drops in white lobster. I'm dis guessing right now. I'm

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Speaker 2: just guessing there is a casual mention of the white

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Speaker 2: lobster tonight, and you do only have to give credit.

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Speaker 2: You can take all the time wants. You can take

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Speaker 2: credit less it blows, unless it blows up completely, I'll know.

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Speaker 2: This was Paul's Thank you, Jay, Thank you always. That's Jamillis.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: He's Pablo touring and he is a contributor to pardon

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Speaker 2: the interruption, of course, Pablo Tory finds out Metal Arc

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Speaker 2: Media podcast. He took time out from Bill Belichick to

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Speaker 2: spend a little time with the NFL. And now I

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Speaker 2: want you to dumb this down though, Pablo. Okay, and

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Speaker 2: just so our audience knows exactly what the NFL are

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Speaker 2: they guilty of or being accused of. They are being

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Speaker 2: accused of quite a bit.

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Speaker 9: They are guilty, and that is I'll use that word

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Speaker 9: sort of conversationally here.

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Speaker 2: Okay. They were found by the arbitrator to have attempted

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Speaker 2: to collude with the thirty two NFL teams. We have

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Speaker 2: extensive documentation. Now, by the way, hello, thank you for

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Speaker 2: having me.

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Speaker 9: This is a sixty one page document that has been

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Speaker 9: suppressed by both the league, the owners, and the union

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Speaker 9: in which there's a treasure trove, Dan, And there's just

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Speaker 9: one bit of vocabulary that I want to do at

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Speaker 9: the top, which is expedited discovery.

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Speaker 2: What does this means.

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Speaker 9: It means that you get all of the texts, the emails,

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Speaker 9: the documents, the private messages. The slide shows all of

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Speaker 9: the secret stuff from owners, players, agents, executives.

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Speaker 2: It's the treasure trove.

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Speaker 9: And so the question of there's a treasure trove, there's

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Speaker 9: a finding that the NFL encouraged the owners to collude

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Speaker 9: to prevent the next Deshaun Watson contract. They'll recall that

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Speaker 9: was fully guaranteed, unprecedented. They wanted to stop Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 9: Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray that same summer of twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: They wanted to stop that from happening.

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Speaker 9: So into all of this, I guess I walk in

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Speaker 9: and I'm like, oh, man, I think and get this document,

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Speaker 9: and I now have a set of why the union

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Speaker 9: and the league neither side wanted this out there. And

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Speaker 9: that was the question, why haven't you heard about this? Well,

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Speaker 9: there's a lot deeper here that explains that too.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but do you need to have a slide show,

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Speaker 2: sent out a memo to not be stupid like the

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns were with Deshaun Watson. Well, it's a great question.

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Speaker 9: And so despite that, despite what seems obvious, Roger Goodell,

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Speaker 9: in repeated emails with Jeff Passs General counsel, had this

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Speaker 9: exact conversation, we need to make sure that they don't

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Speaker 9: do this. And so there's this thing called the NFL

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Speaker 9: Management Council DAN, and this is a shadowy entity that

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Speaker 9: I didn't understand before I reported this story.

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Speaker 2: But at the league annual meetings. All right, I'll set

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Speaker 2: the scene. It's Palm Beach.

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Speaker 9: It's a big conference room. Into this walk the threety

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Speaker 9: two owners and the representatives. At the front of the

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Speaker 9: room are the head and the executives in charge of

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Speaker 9: the nfl MC, And there's a slideshow presentation. And in

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Speaker 9: the slides there's written off to the side for the

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Speaker 9: presenters to see the results of these emails that Roger Goodell.

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Speaker 2: Had written back and forth with Jeff Pash in which they.

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Speaker 9: Wanted to spare no ambiguity as to the fact that

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Speaker 9: this would be a problem if anybody else did this.

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Speaker 2: So it's a great question, a horrible contract.

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Speaker 9: We laughed at it at the time, and yet it's

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Speaker 9: so symptomatic of the level of control and cohesion when

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Speaker 9: it comes to why they didn't want to even allow

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Speaker 9: the possibility that.

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Speaker 2: Someone would be dumb enough to do this. Again, did

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Speaker 2: teams collude or was the NFL asking them to collude?

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Speaker 9: That is the key distinction that the arbitrator drew is

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Speaker 9: that the NFL encouraged them to do it. Here are

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Speaker 9: the documents, here are the emails. But they didn't have

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Speaker 9: admissions on the record, and certainly they had denials from

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Speaker 9: the eight NFL owners that they had witness testimony from

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Speaker 9: that they again spoiler alert that they did not sign

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Speaker 9: another Deshaun Watson style contract. Right, there were never guarantees

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Speaker 9: like that. Again, but the arbitrator could not prove that

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Speaker 9: that was because the NFL had encouraged them.

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Speaker 2: What we did see though, in these documents.

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Speaker 9: It's just over and over again private text messages between

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Speaker 9: the owner of the Cardinals and the owner of the

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Speaker 9: Chargers in which they are celebrating how Kyler Murray's contract

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Speaker 9: was going to be not guaranteed and how in fact,

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Speaker 9: as Michael Bidwill, the owner of the Cardinals, says, I

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Speaker 9: I'll just quote this, gets a text message from Dean

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Speaker 9: spanos Ian. Spanos says, congratulations on signing Murray. Michael Bidwill says, thanks, Dino.

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Speaker 9: These QB deals are expensive, but we limited the fully

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Speaker 9: guaranteed money have some pretty good language.

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Speaker 2: Thankfully you have a QB that's worth paying.

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Speaker 9: Spano says in response, your deal helps us for our

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Speaker 9: quarterback next year.

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Speaker 2: And so look, everybody, Dan.

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Speaker 9: The thing I'm struck by, right is you go through

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Speaker 9: all of this, and there's so many exams like this.

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Speaker 2: You have the Broncos.

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Speaker 9: Owners deliberating internally, their internal messages in which they are saying,

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Speaker 9: we're not going to give Russell Wilson the guaranteed deal

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Speaker 9: that he wants. Of course we're not, even though he's

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Speaker 9: demanding it. We have Lamar Jackson the backstory of that deal, right.

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Speaker 9: We have texts from Lamar messages saying to the Ravens,

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Speaker 9: I want a fully guaranteed deal in all caps. We

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Speaker 9: now know, by the way that thanks to this document,

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Speaker 9: after they, of course non exclusively franchise tagged him, that

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Speaker 9: was their solution that he got zero offers from other teams.

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Speaker 2: Zero, the MVP zero.

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Speaker 9: And so the question you ask yourself is, Okay, why

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Speaker 9: was any of the encouragement in that NFLMC meeting responsible

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Speaker 9: for it? The arbitrator could not publicly, certainly publicly but

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Speaker 9: did not privately feel comfortable ruling it was because of

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Speaker 9: the of the league's guidance, and so many things can

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Speaker 9: be true.

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Speaker 2: Why would the Players Association be in cahoots with this

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Speaker 2: since they would want their players to be paid as

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Speaker 2: much as possible.

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Speaker 9: That's the best question, right, So the NFLPA sources at

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Speaker 9: the union have always you know, they've dreamed of this,

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Speaker 9: right because in this document it's not merely the Mike

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Speaker 9: Florios of the world who are yelling about this and

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Speaker 9: saying this is how they're like backstage.

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Speaker 2: Trust me, you see it in four K quality.

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Speaker 9: It's been described to me this document as a holy

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Speaker 9: grail for the union. And so why did they not

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Speaker 9: want this out there? A couple of reasons, but I

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Speaker 9: think the best summary to dumb it down for everybody,

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Speaker 9: because there's a lot here, is that the NFL Players

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Speaker 9: Association has been the product of a regime change after

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Speaker 9: Demorris Smith, their executive director, in which j C. Treder,

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Speaker 9: former Brown's Center, became the NFLPA president two term president.

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Speaker 9: But this same month of March twenty twenty two, by

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Speaker 9: the way, he got cut from the Browns. Simultaneously, D

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Speaker 9: Smith that same month Mark twenty twenty two says, Okay,

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Speaker 9: I guess I'm on the way out.

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Speaker 2: J C.

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Speaker 9: Tretder decides, I'm going to run this search in a

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Speaker 9: very confidential, secret way. It's going to result in this

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Speaker 9: new guy, Lloyd Howell, the new executive director of the union,

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Speaker 9: which is all to say that when it comes to

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Speaker 9: why the union didn't act, you look to J. C. Tretder,

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Speaker 9: you look to Lloyd Howell. There's a lot there in

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Speaker 9: those two guys that's in this story in this episode.

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Speaker 9: But they did not want this released in part because j. C.

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Speaker 9: Tretder in the document is referenced privately trashing Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 9: blaming him Russell Wilson for not getting the fully guaranteed

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Speaker 9: contract that everybody wanted him to get. To your point,

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Speaker 9: of course, you want the full guarantees. J C.

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Speaker 2: Tretder, president of the Union, is privately.

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Speaker 9: Insulting Russell Wilson, saying that he is the reason why

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Speaker 9: we're never going to get the full guarantees again effectively.

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Speaker 9: And so if you're the president of the union who

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Speaker 9: wants to be the next executive director of the union

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Speaker 9: to replace the guy you handpicked to replace the Smith,

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Speaker 9: this is something that looks terrible I have been told,

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Speaker 9: and so again, cover up, you could argue. As much

840
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Speaker 9: as these infractions these I won't say crimes for legal reasons,

841
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 9: but as much as these missteps and embarrassing things are bad,

842
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 9: the cover up, damn, that's always worse, right, And the

843
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 9: question of why didn't you hear it's about self interest

844
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Speaker 9: from individuals instead of the collective good of the players

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Speaker 9: and the union, which is why this is such an

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00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 9: insanely interesting story.

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Speaker 8: To me.

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Speaker 2: Before I let you go any updates on Bill Belichick

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Speaker 2: and his girlfriend, I was hoping you would ask. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I continue to report that too. It's funny. It's funny.

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Speaker 9: I don't have anything to break with you exclusively other

852
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Speaker 9: than to say that I got some stuff cooking. As

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00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 9: much as people think that I've become a real journal

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00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 9: list because of this NFLPA story, Nope, I'm still in

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Speaker 9: the mud.

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Speaker 2: Dan.

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Speaker 9: I look forward to calling you from the mud, hopefully

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Speaker 9: sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 2: Will he coach opening week at North Carolina? I believe

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Speaker 2: he will.

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Speaker 9: I would set the line a number of seasons at

862
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 9: North Carolina one and a halfe oh one, I would

863
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 9: say one.

864
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: He's one and done.

865
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 9: I think he's one and done personally, personally, okay, you know, yeah.

866
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: Oh boy. I'll wait. I'll wait for the mud. Thank you, Pablo.

867
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: I don't I don't sling it.

868
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 9: I just wade through it. To be clear, I'm not

869
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 9: a mud slinger. I'm just a mud I'm like

870
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: A catfishy now, all right, Pablo Tory