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So I drove down to Stone 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:59.000 Mountain where white supremacists were gathering to defend the Confederate 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.000 monument Hard in the Face of Stone Mountain, the largest 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:06.400 basil based relief sculpture in the world or something like that. 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:08.880 I saw that on like Twitter, like it was kind 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:12.280 of crazy. There was so we showed up. Um there 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.440 was a coalition of I think like thirty different organizations 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.280 around the southeast from as far as the way it 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.799 is like Birmingham, I think they're actually worth some anti 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:23.560 fascists that came down who flew in from Portland to 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:29.400 take part um, to resist the gathering of white supremacists there, 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.600 to defend the Confederate monument and to call for the 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.520 sin blasting of Stone Mountain. So what went down because like, 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.520 as far as it looked like from if you were 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.440 just you know, sitting on your ass at home watching 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.800 you know, TV and seeing it's you know, on your 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.520 Twitter feed, it seemed like it was a full on 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:51.880 clash of like different groups and stuff like that. So 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.400 the white supremacists were not issued a permit for their protest, 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.200 and so they actually ended up locking down Stone Mountain 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.440 Park to prevent them from gathering there. But they were 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.720 showing up nonetheless. So we were gonna show up nonetheless, 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:10.160 um and just make it known to them that you know, 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.480 you weren't going to stand for it. I can stand 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.080 for that ship. So was there a protesting Stone Mountain 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.120 earlier in the summer? In the earlier the summer might 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.040 have been, Oh yeah, So it's back then, not sucking around. 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:26.079 Coalition gathered in Stone Mountains. Yeah, like a couple of hundred, 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:30.400 maybe even a thousand people deep. But what really happened 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.079 maybe two blocks away there was another gathering and there 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.760 was like a big Confederate flag kind of waving back 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.440 and forth above the gathering, and all these people dressed 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.040 in black. So people just started going over there. They're like, 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.000 fucking funk here, Kendrick Lamar, We're gonna be all right, 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.240 Like we're gonna go fucking take it to them right now. 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:49.240 And I was kind of nervous because it seemed like 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.920 a similarly sized gathering as the anti fascist gathering that 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:54.960 we're all part of. That. I got over there and 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.160 what discovered is that all the people clad in black, 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:01.920 we're also antifa um. And there was only like eleven 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:07.360 like white supremacists with all of their guns and their camo, etcetera. 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.160 But once the huge group started rolling up on them, 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:14.480 we just like very quickly surrounded them, started like getting 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.080 them to back up, started back away. You're channing, go home, racists, 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.800 go home. Would you say the demographic was of like 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:25.320 the antifa um? It was mixed. I mean a lot 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:29.400 of different ages and races. I'd say probably mostly white people, 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:36.080 but um, because I've noticed that there's been especially since um, 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.440 in the months since the process has kind of calmed down, 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.920 I've noticed that just in terms of like the corporate 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.479 media narrative, there seems to be kind of like a 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:52.600 painting of progressivism in general or just leftists thinking in 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.400 general is like being a white thing, and they're trying 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.599 to like painted as cases like these when white supremacists 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:02.600 are showing up with tons of guns. Uh, Like, it 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.920 makes more sense to me for white folks to put 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.960 their bodies on the line to push back because like, 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.760 of course they're going to pull the trigger more easy 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.800 if it's like a bunch of up. Yeah, And there 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.720 were you know, like there were like a lot of 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.720 black people. There also a lot of people from Stone 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.960 Mountain that came and joined us, And so that was 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:24.039 the early part. And then later on we did a 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:28.600 march around the block and encountered some more groups. I 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.160 guess the white supremacist sort of consolidated. There's only like 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.440 twenty of them versus like a hundred to two hundred 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.800 of us, and so we were like I didn't I 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.920 was not participant in this part, but I watched with 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:44.000 glee as their you know, Confederate flags were getting snatched 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:50.039 and burned other sorts of altercations. Unfortunately, they eventually fought 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:54.279 back and one of the white supremacists started spraying raid 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:59.240 in the faces of the Antifa folks. Um and then 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.000 the cops showed up, and that's when me and my 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:06.320 contention like, yeah, They're like, there's no like concrete demands 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.000 to get arrested over. That's what's gonna ye guess to jail. 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:11.560 Who knows where they're gonna take us to jail where 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.440 from appens. I'm not trying to get locked up in 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:18.800 Fulton County or something. So we split, but um Hall 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.600 and all. We humiliated them, and it felt really good. Yeah, 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.080 I mean there they should be used to els by 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.200 this point. Yeah, you know I was. I was kind 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:31.040 of shocked when you came back, because, you know, when 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.680 I brought up possibly what we wanted to do the 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.120 episode about, and you were kind of aware of what 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.279 was going on. I was shocked, as busy as you 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.960 are that you know that you even reached your radar. 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.640 But this whole situation with the Cardi B and Meg 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:49.120 the Stallion song how do you I would pronounce it? Whatp? 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:53.040 How would you pronounce it? Like? Well, I mean it 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.599 started a bunch of discussion and got you know, both 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.920 of us thinking. This episode, we're going to be discussing 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.320 the history of abscenity law in the United States and 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.240 it's implications for the conversations that have come up surrounding 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:08.159 Cardi B and mag The Stallions song Wow concerning uh 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:13.400 primarily you know, sexually explicit lyrics and in particular, you know, 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:18.320 hip hop and society at largest reaction towards women taking 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:33.920 control of the subject of sexuality. So on August seven, 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.520 rappers Cardi B and Meg the Stallion caused the mini 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.920 uproar with the release of their song Whop, which is 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:44.160 an acronym for wet ass, pussy, raunchy and explicit club 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.520 banger with the ladies. You know, they run down a 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:51.280 checklist of their sexual wants, needs, exploits, and abilities. You know. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:57.000 It's it's it's got funny innuendo, punchlines, trap bat it's 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.480 standard ship, you know what I mean. It's like typical 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.920 club banger. It's got a dope sample from that nineties 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.280 dance song. There's some Whars in this House by Frank Ski. 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.520 You know there's some wres in this house. There's some 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.520 more you heard this ship? Yeah, but could it be 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:18.960 considered obscene? My immediate answer would be no, And I'm 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.800 not really sure that it is considered obscene? What do 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.960 you think? I mean, I think, having done some research 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:30.160 into how obscenity is legally defined, and we'll get more 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.560 into that in a second, I would say no because 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.040 it does have artistic merit, but we'll come back to that. 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.559 But culturally, what do you think? When I talk with 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.160 a lot of friends that my age where always we 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:43.120 always talk about where the generation that's old enough to 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.920 have known life before the Internet was crazy all over 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.320 the place. But we're young enough to have grown up 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.800 a little bit in the Internet age. And I find 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.920 kids these days are exposed to a lot more quicker 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.800 and just culturally compared to when I was a kid, 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:05.440 Just like sexuality and sexual expression is much more accepted 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.360 than it was even ten years ago. A little bit 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.560 about the trailblazers that made that possible. Within music, I 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:18.000 feel that's gotten lost in some of the the conversation 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.600 around the song. Is you know you obviously you have 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.040 the people who are grand standing on like some moral 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.000 basis and it's like, oh my god, I can't believe 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.520 that there's a song where they're talking about us pussy, 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:32.600 you know. And then you've got uh the hotels who 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:36.160 are like, oh, women shouldn't talk about these things and 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.559 she should were children. Yeah, it's like, I don't even 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.600 know why we're entertaining what these people think. But obviously 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:44.880 those voices are out there. But the reason that in 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:50.200 that that's not like the dominating opinion is because of 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:55.160 people who Blaze put that work and made those songs 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.320 and made those statements so that there's people who walked 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.560 on glass and hot coal, so that Cardi B and 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.880 Meg the Stallion could gallop in the field and we're 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.960 gonna we're gonna pay some homage to them today. I 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:09.840 feel like the song is definitely growing on me. If 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:11.760 I weren't for COVID, i'd definitely be the answer to 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.680 this at church Bar every Saturday. First, on the topic 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.360 of it being obscene, because since there's so many people 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.640 that are pearl clutching, you know, like they've never heard 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.880 something like this before, why don't we break down a 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.439 little bit of what obscenity actually is and how it's 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:29.600 been dealt with in the American legal So, the first 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.240 ever federal law restricting the distribution of obscene materials came 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.679 out came about in eighteen seventy three, largely thanks to 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:40.000 the efforts of anti advice activists and total kill joy 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:44.200 Anthony Comstock, who famous anarchists Emma Goldman referred to in 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:49.000 her autobiography as the leader of America's moral unis. The 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:53.199 Comstock Act prohibited sexually explicit material to be distributed through 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:58.199 the mail, which included information about birth control and abortion, 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.840 which I think is an important fact. Sneak those certain 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:02.839 things in there, don't they? Right? It's all I mean, 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.480 like it's about it. And I think this history is 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:09.120 important because it shows how laws restricting freedom or speech 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:13.160 when it comes to sexuality and the ways that that 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:17.600 trickles down into the culture have always been about controlling 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:22.440 women and controlling women can do and what women can say. However, 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:27.080 the legislation UH did not define obscenity, and they said 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.439 left it to the court determined on a case by 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:34.280 case basis, and us um obscenity law is actually unusual 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:39.679 in this aspect. And that there's no uniform national standard um. 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.520 There's an explicit legal precedent, the Miller tests, which we'll 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:46.040 talk about in a second UM, that allows something which 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:50.960 is legally obscene in one jurisdiction to be legally fine 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:55.240 in another. UM. There doesn't exist as specific listing of 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:59.160 a which exact acts are to be classified as obscene 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.319 on like a national all scale. Now, preceding the Miller tests, 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.760 there were several standards historically by which something could be 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:10.280 deemed legally obscene. In eight the case a Rosen versus 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.280 the United States, the Supreme Court adopted the same obscenity 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:17.319 standard as had been articulated in the famous British case 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:22.679 Regina versus Hicklin eighteen sixty eight. The Hicklin tests defined 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:26.560 material as obscene if intended to deprave or corrupt the 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.760 minds of those who are open as such immoral influences, 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.520 you know, people whose hands a publication of the Stork 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.160 could fall into, which I think is interesting because it's like, 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.240 what is depravity? What is corruption? Because on the other hand, 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.600 you might consider, and many do and are considering, a 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.040 song like WAPs to be very sexually empowering because they're 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.560 talking about what they want, talking about what they can do, 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:51.000 they're talking about what their standards are in articulating for themselves. 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.800 They're like agent, they're sexual agents rather than being like 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:59.000 sexual objects acted upon. And in that sense actually h 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:06.160 like bolstering, like confidence bolstering. But I don't know, I mean, like, 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.000 on the other hand, it sounds like a very fancy 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:13.800 way of saying people who were maybe frightened by their 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:17.520 own directions came up with these laws. That's the Yeah, Okay, 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.520 So this got thrown out in the mid nineteen fifties 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:24.080 the Hickland test, and then it was supplanted by the 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.200 Rath test, which said that something is obscene if to 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:31.280 the average person applying contemporary community standards, the dominant theme 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:34.040 of the material, taken as a whole, appeals to the 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.320 prurian interest. So if it makes you feel a little 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:43.760 if you feel at a little tingly, that makes you 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:45.880 a little uncomfortable. Yeah, if you're if you get a 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.319 boner and you're scared. But yeah, it's like, oh my god, 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:52.000 and you're an average person applying contemporary community standard. And 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.720 then also you rewind ship by like two hundred and 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.800 fifty years you know what I'm saying, like ankles and 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:03.400 collar balls, Like oh or not? What's happening to you? Mom? Uh? 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.280 There you go. The test got another upgrade in nineteen 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:10.160 seventy three with the court case Miller versus California, which 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:13.760 established the Miller test as the new metric for obscenity 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.640 that we still use today. Um and with it, you know, 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:21.080 determining whether or not materialist protected by the First Amendment. 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:26.720 So the Miller test, also called the three pronged obscenity test, says, UM, 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:31.360 whether the average person applying contemporary community standards would find 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:35.080 that the work taken as a whole arouses some kind 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:39.280 of sexual desire anxiety, Whether the work depicts or describes 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.960 in a patently offensive ways actual conduct or expratory functions. 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:49.360 It's actually interesting how those are looping together, um, specifically 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.800 defined by applicable state law. And then the last was 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:57.520 whether the work taken as a whole lack serious literary, artistic, political, 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.960 or scientific value, which is it's last because it's the 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.680 last line of defense. So it's like if if they 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:06.800 if none of the other stuff could be proven, then 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.360 it's like that last bit, it's like, I don't like this, 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.760 what's the thing. If all three conditions are satisfied by 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.720 the texting question, the work is considered an obscene. So 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.680 it can't just be talking about an excrittory function. It 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.400 can't just be whether or not you get a scared 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.840 boner when you listen to it. It has to be 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.400 all of these things together. Okay, so let's go down, 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.120 let's let's try to let's let's put it to the test. 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:36.880 Then does whop past the Miller tests? So depends on 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.840 how you to find the apples person applying contemporary community 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.040 standards because, like you said at the top, a lot 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.520 a lot of teams today grew up in the wild 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.520 west of the Internet. It's really when I was a kid, 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:54.080 let's say when I was like thirteen twelve, I'd say, 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.640 is around when I personally think I don't know what 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.720 my parents think, but like around the age when I 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.200 think my mom probably would have like been like, you're 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:08.360 listening to what you know? So let's say that age, Yeah, 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.240 I would have had to go into a record store 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.760 to buy you know what, I mean, to get ahold 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:14.600 of it because they probably wouldn't have played this on 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.760 the radio, and there was no Internet where I could 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.560 just hear it uncensored, so that would it's the average 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:23.920 person of my day, not like a kid or anything 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.760 like that. I guess would have been in their late teens, 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.920 early twenties. Right, Okay, now the average person that's gonna 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:35.040 be exposed to it, just keeping it a buck, right, 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.600 we're talking like eight year old. Yeah, that's a good point, 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:40.200 you know what I'm saying. That's just if we're keeping 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:45.320 it like honest, eight year old has the time to 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:50.480 like stream one song twenty seven times on Spotify, you know, 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:56.200 Like that's not like with like bills and responsibilities. Well, 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:02.160 I think the work does depict in patently partently offensive 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.719 sexual contact. They talk up the other like you know, 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:09.000 I wouldn't say patently offensive. Cultural standards have changed, just 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:14.480 just to go back if we're talking about then yeah, 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.040 you know I can I can totally understand. We've got 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.960 this dynamic of the Christian right and all that sort 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.760 of ship that doesn't exist at all. Like there literally 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.440 is no one that has any sort of moral high 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.480 ground to like get mad at a sexually explicit song. 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:34.640 I just don't. I don't think so there's there's no 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:36.600 one that's living up to that. We're all I think 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.920 at this point we all kind of under I think 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:44.560 at this point it's just patently hypocritical to think that 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.119 anything in the song is patently offensive. Yeah, but then 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.240 there's the third point whether the work taken as a 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:55.800 whole lax serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. So 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.680 I think with this what I mean, you can I 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:00.639 do think the song has our two sick merritt. I 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.400 do think Meg's cadence, her flow is pretty dope. I mean, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.280 and I'm not a super fan of Cardi B's like 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:14.280 flow is um pretty standard for her. But political value, 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:19.800 I think it has unintended political value, you know, kind 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.720 of kind of like what we were we talked about 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.720 on a few episodes ago about people's intent, and it's 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:28.719 kind of one of those things where I don't think 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:34.919 that it was intended to be that statement, but just 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.600 in the midst of the uproar about it, it's kind 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.080 of I don't like Cardi B is pretty smart. I 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.440 wish you understand. Not really a question of whether or 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.720 not Cardi B is smart or Cardi B like, it's 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:50.560 not about her capabilities a matter of fact, she is like, 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:54.000 you know, on record recently, amiss all of this, like 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:55.920 pretty much putting that out there. That was like, Hey, 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.000 I tried to make a serious song before nobody streamed it. 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:00.880 People streamed when I talk about my pussy, So I'm 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.000 gonna talk about my pussy. She's like, you guys should 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.560 stream she She's like, you guys should stream the female 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:07.960 rappers that don't talk about their pussy. That was pretty 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:11.119 much her her argument for it, which, hey, you know, 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:15.840 it's like, do you think I get it? It's just 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.960 she's done songs like this before, so I don't understand 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:26.440 why this one unless her whole entire rap stick is like, 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:32.359 this whole thing is for the purpose of sexual expression 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.879 and empowerment. And I get that that makes sense, and 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.160 it very well might be the case, but I don't 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.159 know why this song would be the song that is 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:44.000 chosen to make that statement when the City Girls Torque 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:46.600 song that she did just last summer was pretty much 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.040 the same song with a better beat in my opinion. 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:52.119 So in the nineties seventies we kind of developed the 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.920 standards for obscenity that are still while they used today, 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.399 but the battle over obscenity and music really ramped up 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.560 in the eighties with the Parents Music Resource Center p 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:08.840 M MARC list of songs deemed unsuitable content and levying 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:13.840 particularly heavy criticism against Princes Darling Nikki after co founder 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.960 of Tipperacre heard her eleven year old daughter saying the lyrics, 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:20.760 which included an explicit mention of masturbation. Let's uh, let's 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:25.400 backtrack and check out those um fifteen songs. We've got 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:30.120 Princess Darling Nicki, We've got a Sheena, Eastern Sugar Walls, 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:38.879 Judas Priests, Eat Me Alive, Vanity strap On, Robbie Baby, Motley, 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:42.959 Crew Bastard a C d C. Let me put my 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:49.480 love into you. Twisted Sisters, We're not gonna take it. Yeah, 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.280 So Twisted Sisters were not gonna take it. Got put 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:57.560 on there for violence, and I remember being a real 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.320 little kid that like they were actually were, you know, 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.399 in the halls of Congress, actually testifying, you know, towards 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.679 the whole entire situation. Yeah. Yeah, so um. The Record 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:11.800 Industry Association of America responded to this complaint by introducing 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.720 an earlier version of their content warning label, and then 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:18.560 PRMC pushed back and proposed that a music rating system 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:22.520 work more similarly to the Motion Picture Association in America's 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:26.399 film rating system from movies. The r I a A. 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:31.320 The Record Folks alternatively suggested using a warning label reading 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:35.200 parental guidance explicit lyrics, and after a continued conflict between 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:40.200 the organizations, the matter came up in a September hearing 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:44.280 of the United States Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:48.520 Uh and so as you were saying. Notable musicians Frank Zapp, 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:53.040 John Denver, the Snyder each testified at the hearing was 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:55.720 strong opposition to the p m r c S warning 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.760 label system and censorship in general. Approximately two months after 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.720 the hearing, the organization agreed on a settlement in which 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:06.440 audio recordings were to either be affixed with the warning 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:10.919 label reading explicit lyrics parental advisory, or have its lyrics 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:13.399 attached to the back side of the packaging. So you know, 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:16.840 we all know the parental advisory sticker. It's really funny. 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:18.880 It's really like I remember saying that as a kid 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.639 and being like, I want that record, mommy. Well you 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:24.200 know what the you know how like I'm a huge 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:27.040 Iced Tea fan, right. Iced Tea was one of the 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.879 artists that was like mired in this and at the 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:34.480 forefront of it. So it was a huge backdrop to 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:36.320 a lot of his early albums, Like he had a 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:39.240 song called freedom of Speech that was literally the story 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:41.199 of this whole thing. And he had a rhyme that 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:46.480 was um Pio Marcy, you stupid fucking asshole. The stickers 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:48.560 on the record. That's what makes it sell gold. Can't 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.359 see you, alcoholic idiots. The more you try to suppress us, 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:53.879 the larger we get. I can't believe. I just remember that. 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:56.399 It's one of those things where it's like when a 0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:59.920 song comes out like wop or any any sort of song, 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:04.040 and people who are fans of it because hey, everybody's 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:06.840 got a reason a night like something. And I make 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.760 music too, I don't make it with any sort of 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:13.880 expectation that everybody's gonna like it. So hey, everybody has 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:17.160 their reason, and everybody's reason can be legit to them. 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:22.000 But when fans of a certain artist feel that criticism 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:25.800 against that artist for something, it's like persecution or oh 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:28.959 why you guys going against you know, It's like Yo, 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:33.880 At a certain point in time, artists were really being persecuted, 0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:37.359 like by the government, not Twitter comments and ship yea. 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:42.600 Broward County, Florida Sheriff Nick Navarro arrested and charged recoistaurant 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.679 owners who sold the rap group to lab Cruise album 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:48.520 as Nasty if they want to be to literally getting 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.959 persecuted by the government for like the circulation of obscene materials. 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:55.520