Speaker 1: Time for another episode of Pats from the Past, our podcast,
Speaker 1: Matt Smith alongside with Brian Morey. We're not outside anymore, Brian,
Speaker 1: since you've bailed. We're like the Red Sox twenty eight players,
Speaker 1: twenty eight caps, but we're pleased to be joined by
Speaker 1: number fifty nine in your program, but number one in
Speaker 1: your heart, Roosevelt Colvin live from Indianapolis, Rosie, How you doing, man,
Speaker 1: good Man?
Speaker 2: Just finish cutting my grass? So sunny day here in Indy,
Speaker 2: So doing well, man, blessed?
Speaker 1: Did you ever so like listening to those dulcet tones
Speaker 1: again brings back so many memories when we used to
Speaker 1: have you do vo work back in the studio.
Speaker 3: Did you like?
Speaker 1: I know you're very busy and why we want to
Speaker 1: let fans know what you're up to these days. Did
Speaker 1: you ever pursue a voiceover career, man, because you should have.
Speaker 2: I did not, But if there's anyone out there that
Speaker 2: is looking, I'm open to it.
Speaker 3: I did a series for Purdue football here recently.
Speaker 2: The five hundredth game in ross A Stadium was their
Speaker 2: their season opener against It was Oregon State, and my daughter,
Speaker 2: who is a freshman volleyball player, at Purdue. Moved in
Speaker 2: over the summer, so they asked me to do sort
Speaker 2: of a recording and a taping of her moving in,
Speaker 2: and then they asked me to do some voiceovers for
Speaker 2: Purdue football. And I enjoy it, man, you know, it
Speaker 2: gives me an opportunity to show my personality. My mom
Speaker 2: was a was a small time actress here in Indianapolis
Speaker 2: for years and did plays. Actually was in one of
Speaker 2: the plays with the Helen Keller story. And it allows
Speaker 2: me to dabble in my in my acting mode. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I would never be an actor, but
Speaker 2: I think I could get away with it on some
Speaker 2: small roles.
Speaker 1: And I think, if memory assures me right, we are
Speaker 1: Trell Hawkins. I think we opted for him after you
Speaker 1: had done a year or so. Ar Trell Hawkins. That's
Speaker 1: a nice voice, man, Remember his voice?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Treil has a really masculine, deep monotone voice. Last
Speaker 2: time I saw was man, I want to say it
Speaker 2: was at a super Bowl.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was a super Bowl here
Speaker 3: or maybe it was the Combine here.
Speaker 2: In Indianapolis, and he had he was doing a radio show.
Speaker 2: I can't remember who was doing it with, but it
Speaker 2: was either the Bangles of the Brown, it was the
Speaker 2: Ohio radio show that he was.
Speaker 3: Doing and voices the same man.
Speaker 2: The dude is he now if anybody needs to be
Speaker 2: getting paid all state commercial.
Speaker 3: Of that dude, he's the guy I am up putting.
Speaker 2: If anybody is watching or watching the podcast, man reach
Speaker 2: out to me.
Speaker 3: I have I have ample time on my hands. If
Speaker 3: you need me.
Speaker 1: Well you really don't.
Speaker 4: No one's ever told me, Matt, I have Dulton tones.
Speaker 1: I don't think you really don't, Rosie. So let's let's refresh,
Speaker 1: Patriot fans what it is that you're up to these days?
Speaker 1: And you are a very busy man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, being a dad is and a husband is
Speaker 2: always a number one on my list. So me and
Speaker 2: Tiffany are still happily married and joined life here in Indy.
Speaker 2: My oldest son and moved is moved to Chicago. My
Speaker 2: oldest daughter is here in Indy. My youngest daughter, Raven,
Speaker 2: she is as a freshman at Purdue now playing volleyball.
Speaker 2: And then our youngest Miles, which he you know he
Speaker 2: was he was four or five when we are my
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 3: In New England. He is now a sixteen.
Speaker 2: Year old junior and he's committed to play basketball and
Speaker 2: Purdue in a couple of years. So outside of you
Speaker 2: know those things, going up and down sixty five to
Speaker 2: Lafayette to watch raven Or with Miles on a visit,
Speaker 2: or you know basketball entity situation. But outside of those things,
Speaker 2: we still own and operate to five UPS stores here
Speaker 2: in the area, which have been you know, great for us.
Speaker 2: Those are going well. And then we still have the bakery.
Speaker 2: I know you guys. I hope you guys have the
Speaker 2: opportunity to taste a couple of the treats that came
Speaker 2: from Swedi's Gonna May treats my wife's bakery. She's expanded
Speaker 2: to two locations now, and we're I think.
Speaker 3: We're going on twelve years in business. It's years.
Speaker 2: It's two chater twenty one, yes, so yeah, we're going
Speaker 2: on twelve years in business. And I still coach middle
Speaker 2: school sports at Herit's Christian School here in Indianapolis. I
Speaker 2: enjoy that a lot, just because it's it's my ministry
Speaker 2: allows me to pour into kids that I think are
Speaker 2: going to be the pillars of our communities here in
Speaker 2: the city and help them understand what they can learn
Speaker 2: from sports and athletics, the bonds that they can have
Speaker 2: from their teammates. And then ultimately, if there's some kids
Speaker 2: that can go Division one and play you know, athletic,
Speaker 2: play Division one athletics and ultimately go pro, you know,
Speaker 2: try to help those parents, you.
Speaker 3: Know, make those a and as well.
Speaker 2: And then the last thing, which is probably one of
Speaker 2: my busier things is my basketball club, which you know,
Speaker 2: Miles is probably the future player and now it's the
Speaker 2: Indian's Basketball Club. And again, just trying to help mentor
Speaker 2: young kids and families to get the opportunity and chances
Speaker 2: that I had when you know, I was, you know,
Speaker 2: when I got the chance to go to Purdue and
Speaker 2: then ultimately to the NFL.
Speaker 5: So wait a minute, now, the recruiting violations with poster
Speaker 5: kids going to Purdue, I mean, you've got to be.
Speaker 4: A booster, right, I mean, what the heck I want
Speaker 4: in the blind side?
Speaker 5: They gotta they investigated Michael orr for going and missus
Speaker 5: Ole miss.
Speaker 2: Hey so that there aren't any recruiting violations I have.
Speaker 2: I try not to donate any front money at all,
Speaker 2: but no, seriously, uh uh my, you know Raven has
Speaker 2: you know, she did a great job of working herself
Speaker 2: into that opportunity to Purdue and coach Seandale and the
Speaker 2: pretty volleyball program have been a pillar in national volleyball
Speaker 2: across the country for years the Shandeale family, so him
Speaker 2: acknowledging and seeing her as a talent to come on
Speaker 2: board was huge for us, obviously being Purdue.
Speaker 3: And then Miles.
Speaker 2: You know Miles's and I hate to say sixteen year
Speaker 2: old feet now and that kid he is, he's a
Speaker 2: much better athlete than I am. It's much a better
Speaker 2: basketball player. I would say that probably I'm probably better
Speaker 2: a football player. But for Purdue to recognize who he
Speaker 2: was at the early age, he was offering a scholarship
Speaker 2: at fifteen, So you know, for that situation to develop
Speaker 2: the where it is now, I took my hat to
Speaker 2: them and they work hard.
Speaker 3: I push them.
Speaker 2: You know, my years there in New England have given
Speaker 2: me opportunities to help them understand what it takes to be.
Speaker 3: The best or if not the best and a part
Speaker 3: of the best.
Speaker 2: And so they're they're soaking that up and you know
Speaker 2: we're moving forward with them.
Speaker 5: So Rosie, can you elaborate I want you just said
Speaker 5: a little bit because you cited your years in.
Speaker 4: New England, I'd like to know what that how.
Speaker 5: That translates to what you're talking about now about helping
Speaker 5: other kids win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know my forgetting, you know, not forgetting, but
Speaker 2: you know put putting kids, my kids and the kids
Speaker 2: that I mentor side. You know, my years in New
Speaker 2: England helped me every single day when it comes to
Speaker 2: running my businesses, being able to to watch mister Craft
Speaker 2: and Bill Guys, I, Scott Poli, you know, everybody that
Speaker 2: was in the UH, in the scouting department, all the
Speaker 2: way down to you know, the training room staff, to
Speaker 2: equipment room staff, to you know, those that prepared food
Speaker 2: for us. You know, all those entities and operations that
Speaker 2: contributed to championship seasons and not every year was a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl year. But as I look back on my
Speaker 2: years in New England, I think every year we were
Speaker 2: you know, you know, we were above five hundred. I
Speaker 2: think the worst year that I had when New England
Speaker 2: was the year that I came back, which my last
Speaker 2: year when down and Matt Castle was a quarterback and
Speaker 2: we missed the playoffs, you know, to the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: I think it was five too. By the way, yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: Eleven five and that was that was sort of like
Speaker 2: an anomaly. And so for me, I take those situations
Speaker 2: on how bill can you know, I just said manipulate,
Speaker 2: but handle different egos, balance the cap Those are real
Speaker 2: life situations and people don't really understand that. You know,
Speaker 2: every day regards of what you know, what entity, your
Speaker 2: situation you're in. You know, there are egos in every workplace.
Speaker 2: There are you know, different pay scales in every workplace.
Speaker 2: And so for me, I have a model. There's a
Speaker 2: budget that I have to balance. There's a certain amount
Speaker 2: of funds that I can pay certain individuals that are
Speaker 2: in certain roles.
Speaker 3: And so those those.
Speaker 2: Lessons that I saw, those lessons that I learned soaked
Speaker 2: up as you know, my five to five and a
Speaker 2: half six years there in New England, we're huge, or
Speaker 2: are huge now because it helps me, you know, balance
Speaker 2: those things with my current staff.
Speaker 3: You know, people ask why or how and I say, man.
Speaker 2: I I have some some some on site lessons that
Speaker 2: I learned in in in Foxborough that you know I
Speaker 2: could you know, I couldn't learn anywhere else, So that
Speaker 2: those were big and then I'd say, you know, when
Speaker 2: you transfer that down to or dumb it down to,
Speaker 2: you know, my everyday activities. When it comes to you sports,
Speaker 2: you know, there's a truth in youth sports that some
Speaker 2: parents don't see or don't want to hear. And you know,
Speaker 2: my my son goes to a small two way school.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of kids that go to that school,
Speaker 2: a lot of parents that feel entitled, not even you know,
Speaker 2: not forget the school. But you know, we play, we
Speaker 2: play travel basketball, We go around the country and play
Speaker 2: and kids try out for club teams and they feel
Speaker 2: like they're better than the next person. And a lot
Speaker 2: of times parents don't understand this. Takes a lot of work.
Speaker 3: To be elite. It takes a lot of work to
Speaker 3: be the best.
Speaker 2: And I was able to participate on teams that were elite,
Speaker 2: that were the best, you know, time and time again.
Speaker 3: And the reasonings why, the reason, the.
Speaker 2: House, the twos, the how tos, the whares, the wins,
Speaker 2: you know, getting the edge, you know, I know you
Speaker 2: guys remember that that term that you know, big back
Speaker 2: and you know Woody and all those guys that used
Speaker 2: to say brew and we used to get the edge
Speaker 2: on your opponent. Those are those are terms and mindsets
Speaker 2: that I pass on to my kids, my blood. You know,
Speaker 2: kids that are you know, raving in miles as they're
Speaker 2: continuing their athletic careers, but also kids that I coach
Speaker 2: and I can able to touch. So my years in
Speaker 2: New England are priceless to me at this moment in
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of Patriot fans probably forget
Speaker 1: that you didn't start your career New eng when you
Speaker 1: started in Chicago, and Brian mentioned recruiting, you know, as
Speaker 1: far as produce concerned. But I think Patriot fans would
Speaker 1: be interested to know, Rosie, what your recruitment was like
Speaker 1: when you became a free agency. You know, how did
Speaker 1: that go down the eventual path to a here to
Speaker 1: New England.
Speaker 2: Man, I've told this story many times and I don't
Speaker 2: know people believe me. But I didn't want to come
Speaker 2: to New England. I I was a free I was
Speaker 2: in Chicago. I loved the Bears, love the Bears organization,
Speaker 2: mccaskey's the you know, great people, and one of the
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why I became a free agent
Speaker 2: was because of the infamous check box situation. I have
Speaker 2: yet to be able to ask if this was done
Speaker 2: purposely or not. But when I was drafted, there were
Speaker 2: three linebackers, myself, warhol and Karrie Samuel. My second year
Speaker 2: that drafted Brian Urlacker, which I tell people all the time,
Speaker 2: I'm the reason why Brian is in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: which I'm not never going to back down for that.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so.
Speaker 2: Myself and war Holeman's contracts were coming up at the
Speaker 2: same time Brian came on, had a hell.
Speaker 3: Of a rookie year.
Speaker 2: So after my third season, you know, my my rookie
Speaker 2: year contract expires to sold his Ward Holman's for some
Speaker 2: strange reason. You know, teams had to not strange reason,
Speaker 2: but teams when they when they send in their restricted
Speaker 2: free agents, you know all that stuff back in that
Speaker 2: CBA you had to check certain boxes and so on
Speaker 2: wars contract, there was a box that was unchecked where
Speaker 2: that if he went out and got a contract, he
Speaker 2: was not getting matched. So there was a potential situation
Speaker 2: that I was gonna be a free agent, Work was
Speaker 2: gonna be a free agent, and Brian url was gonna
Speaker 2: be treated free agent, and they were going to lose
Speaker 2: the whole linebacking corps. And so they ended up signing
Speaker 2: War to an extended deal, sort of put you know,
Speaker 2: lift the fuse on, you know, my time in Chicago
Speaker 2: and so, uh.
Speaker 3: We played the Patriots my free agent year in Champagne.
Speaker 3: Uh we got cheated. I don't know how.
Speaker 4: They called a catch at the back of the.
Speaker 3: David Patton was out of bounds.
Speaker 2: I don't know how. David, Yeah, David Patton was out
Speaker 2: of bounds. Late great David Patton got rested, so was
Speaker 2: out of bounds.
Speaker 1: No way, matt Light wast light was holding me the
Speaker 1: entire drive.
Speaker 3: I was off.
Speaker 2: The ball so fast that drive. I go back and
Speaker 2: watch the other time. I was off the ball so fast.
Speaker 2: There's no way that Tom got the ball off.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Tom threw a pass to David Patton the back of
Speaker 2: the end zone. They claimed he scored tests and we
Speaker 2: lost the game. But anyway, that was my audition, I
Speaker 2: think for Bill. And so all season came. I had
Speaker 2: I had, you know, I had injured my shoulder at
Speaker 2: Purdue my last game in the Alimable and I never
Speaker 2: got it fixed. And so my I literally played three years,
Speaker 2: three and a half years in Chicago, which just went on.
Speaker 2: I would go out hit people my shoulder would dislocate,
Speaker 2: it would go numb for the rest of the game
Speaker 2: and I would just be out to tackle and went on.
Speaker 2: So I had surgery, didn't go. I was supposed to
Speaker 2: go to the Pro Bowl that off season. Didn't go
Speaker 2: to the Pro Bowl. And my agent calls and said, hey, man,
Speaker 2: well you know, here's the plan. Here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2: And I say, hey man, look, this is what I want.
Speaker 2: I want to be somewhere warm arm or indoors on
Speaker 2: turf because I was a past rush guy.
Speaker 3: And I said, I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to go like I'm in Chicago, Like if
Speaker 2: they're not gonna sign me back, then I want to
Speaker 2: go somewhere where I can control, you know what, my
Speaker 2: stats and getting indoors.
Speaker 3: So Detroit was on.
Speaker 2: My list, Tampa was on my list, Jacksonville, San Francisco,
Speaker 2: you know all one with other times. He called me
Speaker 2: and said, hey man, Bill, Bill Bill wants wants you, wants.
Speaker 3: To bring you out. I'm like Bill, who said Bill Bell?
Speaker 2: I said, that's the dude that used to coach with
Speaker 2: Bill Parcells, right, He's like yeah. I said, nah, man,
Speaker 2: we'll talk to him later.
Speaker 3: Let's go to Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: You know, let's go to Detroit, Arizona, Mary Mary Jad
Speaker 2: just got the he either guess you got the job.
Speaker 3: And I can't remember.
Speaker 4: I think Arizona offered you a deal.
Speaker 2: They did, and so I'm on plane, like, I go
Speaker 2: to Detroit and Detroit lays it out.
Speaker 3: They give me a joy. I got it in my basement.
Speaker 3: They got fifty nine Jersey. Go to dinner. I think
Speaker 3: that's where married you was. We go to dinner.
Speaker 2: My my agent call said, hey, man, Bill wants to
Speaker 2: talk to you. I said, I don't want to talk
Speaker 2: to Bill. Okay, I'm not going to New England because
Speaker 2: New England is colder than Detroit. I mean, I'm colding
Speaker 2: in in Chicago. So he says, okay. So my next
Speaker 2: stop was Arizona. And at that time, I can't I
Speaker 2: didn't even remember who the coach was in Arizona. But
Speaker 2: Arizona was the next stop. And I get to Arizona
Speaker 2: through the whole thing with Arizona. You know, they got
Speaker 2: me on the billboard and on stuff. And so we
Speaker 2: fly back, no deals in place. And so the next
Speaker 2: stop was Jacksonville. So I go to Jacksonville, visit with Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: Have a great time. Like, man, I love the Jacksonville
Speaker 2: small town. You know, one climate. Ready to go, got
Speaker 2: a little nice turf, you know, and get back to
Speaker 2: the hotel room. He's like, you know they're talking by
Speaker 2: Detroit's got you know, I got Detroit online. YadA YadA,
Speaker 2: he said, Man, Bill called again. I said, dude, I
Speaker 2: don't want to go to New England. So uh he says,
Speaker 2: he said, Rosie, you gotta go.
Speaker 3: You gotta go.
Speaker 2: I mean, he said, he said, this is Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2: You know they just came off a super Bowl. You
Speaker 2: know you gotta go. I said, Okay, I a I
Speaker 2: fly into flying the logan never, I'll never forget this.
Speaker 2: They picked me up scout I can't remember. I think
Speaker 2: his name was Sean. Picked me up in a Ford
Speaker 2: Tours like every other every other visit Limo like stretch Limo,
Speaker 2: right five star hotel. They picked me up in a
Speaker 2: four Tours and this dude's got scouting papers and stuff
Speaker 2: in the car.
Speaker 3: Old McDonald's back. We drive, We're going down the highway and.
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at I'm just looking outside the car
Speaker 2: and I'm looking. I'm like, there's trash everywhere, Like do
Speaker 2: they not clean up the highway like is going on?
Speaker 2: Because you know, I'm coming from Indiana, Indiana, you know,
Speaker 2: highway everything it's trash, it's it's gloomy as an overcast.
Speaker 2: We pull up to the stadium, nobody's there, walk in,
Speaker 2: lights are off, Bills in there in his office. Bear
Speaker 2: shows up, right, my first time ever beating Bears. Bears
Speaker 2: shows up and saying, hey, I'm Bears and Jaring. I'm
Speaker 2: you know, Bill's you know, assisting, YadA YadA. Okay, he said,
Speaker 2: Bill be ready for you in a second. Take you
Speaker 2: a little tour, a little quick tour. Bears walks me
Speaker 2: down the main hallway, get to the locker room. Lights
Speaker 2: are off in the locker room and say, hey, this
Speaker 2: is the locker room. Doesn't even turn the lights on.
Speaker 2: This is the locker room. And so I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: you upstairs.
Speaker 3: It takes me.
Speaker 2: It takes me to an elevator. It takes me upstairs
Speaker 2: like on the club suites or something like that. It
Speaker 2: has like it has like some pictures some guys on
Speaker 2: the wall and said, this is the club suit, you know,
Speaker 2: YadA YadA. Take you back down the bill. I get
Speaker 2: back down the Bill's office. We sit in the office
Speaker 2: and we watch film.
Speaker 3: Like, man, what are we doing? Man Like, let's go
Speaker 3: out to eat. No, where's the State dinner? You know,
Speaker 3: we're in Boston. Give me some lobster or something. Nothing.
Speaker 2: Uh, talk to Bill, you know, he shows me some film.
Speaker 2: This is how we want to use you watching my
Speaker 2: old film in Chicago.
Speaker 3: What are you thinking here? What was you thinking here?
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, what are we in there talking about?
Speaker 2: And then get to the end of the visit and
Speaker 2: they take me back.
Speaker 3: To the what's the team hotel doing training camp?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: Now the four points was at the foot had No, I'm.
Speaker 3: At the residence in Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think, And I may be mistaken, but I'm at
Speaker 2: the residence in and I called my I say, man,
Speaker 2: can you get me a ticket home? A sat Okay,
Speaker 2: so ms Nancy. I don't know if miss Nancy is
Speaker 2: still there.
Speaker 1: Yeah Nancy.
Speaker 3: Yes, Miss Nancy gets me the first flight out.
Speaker 2: She says, Hey, Rosie, thanks for coming and get your
Speaker 2: I said, give me the first because they wanted to
Speaker 2: do something the next day.
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, give me the first flight out here.
Speaker 2: And so that either I don't know was that night
Speaker 2: that morning shot picks me up in the same four tours.
Speaker 2: I think it was a ninety five. It had to
Speaker 2: be in ninety five, so you know it's seven years old.
Speaker 2: Ninety five four towards taking the logan dropped me off.
Speaker 2: I'm like a man, appreciate it them out at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, man, they offered me the best
Speaker 2: contract out everybody, and uh, it worked out to be
Speaker 2: the best situation for me, So I don't regret.
Speaker 5: So wait a minute, tremendous story have you and Rodney
Speaker 5: Harrison shared your freezing stories?
Speaker 4: Because he signed the same year, right, and they they
Speaker 4: took him to eat at the ground round.
Speaker 1: They took him by the ground round.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't even know what the ground is.
Speaker 1: That No, it's like, what's the place downtown and shake
Speaker 1: shake burger or something like that.
Speaker 3: Like a burger place.
Speaker 1: It's what it is. Kind it's like a night like
Speaker 1: an apple, beet apple, It's like apple.
Speaker 3: It's okay with that.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, Uh, I don't
Speaker 2: think I've talked to Rodney, but I do remember, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to think. I don't know if me and Rodney
Speaker 2: signed at the same time, I think we signed either
Speaker 2: the within.
Speaker 4: This close way and Tyrone Pool too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that experience just showed me, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, as as I look back on my time
Speaker 2: and winand just told me what they're all about. It's
Speaker 2: all about winning. There's no there's no fancy, there were
Speaker 2: no fans and no, I don't know if Bill has
Speaker 2: adapted his his model and his thought process. But you know,
Speaker 2: for me, uh, it was fine because you know, I'm
Speaker 2: never I've never really been that guy anyway to be
Speaker 2: you know, you know, wind and dying out.
Speaker 3: It really was, man, how much money do you have?
Speaker 2: And I hate to say that, how much money do
Speaker 2: you have? And they offered me the best contract, and uh,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people around here with short memories Rosie,
Speaker 1: you know, and every we're all like what happened in
Speaker 1: the last hour. Nobody has Nobody can remember everything, short
Speaker 1: attention span and everything like that. So they spent a
Speaker 1: lot of money this offseason in free agency, and you know,
Speaker 1: people going, oh wow, look at the Patriots. They never
Speaker 1: in free agency, they never signed top of the market guys,
Speaker 1: they never never never ended We're going do you guys
Speaker 1: don't remember Rosie Clovin and O three? Do you guys
Speaker 1: not remember Rodney Harrison and O three? Bill will do
Speaker 1: it if it makes sense. And his guys out there,
Speaker 1: and you were You and Rodney were his guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think at that time, you know, Big
Speaker 2: Mac was, you know, at the point where they were
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what what was gonna you know,
Speaker 2: what they were gonna do with him over the next
Speaker 2: year or two. You know, Vrabel, Mike Micha had just
Speaker 2: came in the year before to the I don't know
Speaker 2: if he was different. Michael was there for the first
Speaker 2: two bow wasn't Yeah, yeah, yeah, So Michael was. Michael
Speaker 2: was sort of in that role of he was a
Speaker 2: free agent guy coming in being a special team guy
Speaker 2: and kind of worked his way into a playing role.
Speaker 3: You know, all the other backers were older.
Speaker 2: You had Fife, you had Big Ted, Big Mac Brew, Uh,
Speaker 2: Chatham Iszo and then Tully came in and I was
Speaker 2: the eighth guy.
Speaker 3: And I walked in that room, in that linebacker room,
Speaker 3: and I was the.
Speaker 2: Second youngest guy in the room to Tully Band the
Speaker 2: King as a draft pick. Everybody else was six seven
Speaker 2: years in the league, and you know, building and they spend,
Speaker 2: Like you said, they spend as long as it's a
Speaker 2: value that they feel. I mean, at that time, I'd
Speaker 2: signed the biggest ridge In contract in Patriots history. Uh.
Speaker 2: But I also think at that time the CBA wasn't
Speaker 2: to the point where one the cap was really.
Speaker 3: High and you had to spend all your money.
Speaker 2: I think that changed in four or five or six
Speaker 2: years later where they said, you guys can't hold onto
Speaker 2: the money.
Speaker 3: You gotta pay. You gotta pay guys the money. And
Speaker 3: so I know a couple of.
Speaker 2: Years later was when the DALYs came in and the dailies,
Speaker 2: I mean made my contract.
Speaker 3: Look like a like a like a like a like.
Speaker 3: I was an undrafted free agent.
Speaker 2: So I think Bill spins where he wants to spend,
Speaker 2: and you know, it just creates a dynamic of you
Speaker 2: guys in the media.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about, Hey.
Speaker 5: Matt, I got a funny story though, so his after
Speaker 5: Rosie signs here in the off season, used to go
Speaker 5: down and meet with Coach Belichick to Coach's corner for
Speaker 5: a Patriots Football weekly. So I'm sitting outside Bears's office
Speaker 5: waiting to meet with Bill, and here comes Rosie and
Speaker 5: he sits down and he's eat a sandwich from the
Speaker 5: player dining room and he says, man, I'm getting so
Speaker 5: sick of this food, and I like this.
Speaker 4: There's like plenty of restaurants just getting your car and
Speaker 4: drive goes, well.
Speaker 3: This is free.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he designed the biggest contract in Patriots history and
Speaker 5: he's sick of the food, but it was free.
Speaker 3: So he was eating it.
Speaker 1: Well, I remember vividly. I remember vividly the first time,
Speaker 1: so I started in four. I remember the first time
Speaker 1: on a team flight and seeing Rosie and he looked
Speaker 1: like he was going away for like a three weeks hibernation.
Speaker 1: It was gatorade bottles, it was bags and everything. And
Speaker 1: I said, what's with Rosie taking everything off the plane?
Speaker 1: And somebody goes, what's the price of the food? I said,
Speaker 1: smart man, smart man, smart man.
Speaker 2: I'm if it's free, give me three. And I've tried
Speaker 2: to teach my kids to take advantage of those situations
Speaker 2: like Ravens that Purdue right now and college sports is
Speaker 2: totally different than it was when I was a college athlete.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just ridiculous what they with the kids.
Speaker 2: Are offered and given now, but they have like a
Speaker 2: whole fool but like a full blown moviie bar and
Speaker 2: snack bar in the in the weight room. For these
Speaker 2: I'm like, ray Man, you need to make sure that
Speaker 2: you're get because when I was in college, we used
Speaker 2: to come off for three days uh head training to
Speaker 2: produce Danny Miller.
Speaker 3: He would only allow us to get one juice. That
Speaker 3: was after practice. That was after practice. We'd get one juice.
Speaker 3: And so I would go back and back and I'm
Speaker 3: taking a whole six pack. I'm taking a six pack.
Speaker 2: And I'm drinking all of it right now, and he
Speaker 2: would get mad and come take it back out of
Speaker 2: my locker. And so over the years, as I've gone
Speaker 2: through the process of being a professional athlete, and I'm
Speaker 2: able to, let's say, take advantage.
Speaker 3: Of the free merchandise. And you know I've taken full advantage,
Speaker 3: smart man.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, right, you know, Rosie,
Speaker 1: here you come. You know, rebuilt Patriots defense, disappointment in
Speaker 1: their mouths, you know, not making the playoffs, a new
Speaker 1: two after winning the Super Bowl. Bill's gonna reload. He's
Speaker 1: hungry for beer, and here comes Rosie Colvin terrible Week one.
Speaker 1: I know Brian wants to look at that for a second.
Speaker 1: But but when you get hurt in Week two against Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: what's going through your mind at that point in time?
Speaker 1: Like what must you have been thinking?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: It was devastating, you know. I think back to that time.
Speaker 2: That's that was a life changing.
Speaker 3: Moment for me.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if, if if I would rather
Speaker 2: go through it again or not. I know, in hindsight,
Speaker 2: there are some things that I probably that I did
Speaker 2: probably four or five years.
Speaker 3: Ago, that I wish I would have done right after
Speaker 3: that situation happened.
Speaker 2: But you know, free agent signing, biggest free agent in
Speaker 2: Patriots history, you know, you know it's I remember the paper.
Speaker 2: I remember the front page of paper, the second coming
Speaker 2: of LT. Right, I'm like, man, they compare me to
Speaker 2: l T. I used to I'm playing Techmo Bowl with
Speaker 2: LT and and I get there, you know, try in
Speaker 2: camp because I'm coming.
Speaker 3: Off the shoulder surgery, so I can't do a whole lot.
Speaker 2: Got a red jersey on the training camp and OTA's
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, and I'm just I'm used to
Speaker 2: if I'm off the ball in Chicago, I was mostly
Speaker 2: in coverage, but if I was on the ball, typically
Speaker 2: I was rushing, and so going to a three four defense, man,
Speaker 2: I'm geaked.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, every play is a blitz for me.
Speaker 3: I can just just get it because for me, it's
Speaker 3: all about get off on the ball.
Speaker 2: So I would literally just key the ball and get
Speaker 2: off and it would just be regular defense. And Bill
Speaker 2: would he would rip me in practice, like, man, you
Speaker 2: can't do that because you're just creating a gap.
Speaker 3: In a lane. I'm like, well, I'm making the play though,
Speaker 3: I'm right here. I'm tackling this guy in the backfield.
Speaker 2: I said, I know we don't have pads on them,
Speaker 2: but you let me do that in a game and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have forty tackles for loss. And halfway through
Speaker 2: a season He's like, no, you for the integrity of
Speaker 2: the defense, you can't do that. And I learned a
Speaker 2: lot in training camp and going up to that first
Speaker 2: game we got our face kicked in in Buffalo, and
Speaker 2: I think I did okay.
Speaker 3: I didn't do bad. I didn't do well enough obviously
Speaker 3: to help the team.
Speaker 2: When and then going to Philadelphia, Uh, that injury was
Speaker 2: it was just it was it was.
Speaker 3: It was surreal. I mean, I literally I'd never forget
Speaker 3: to play.
Speaker 2: I came around on the stunt, you know, Big Ted
Speaker 2: calls the fumble.
Speaker 3: One on Donovan McNabb. Ball rolls out.
Speaker 2: I'm coming around to the left side and I take
Speaker 2: a peek up the field and I see nothing but daylight.
Speaker 2: And I bend over and I, you know, to do
Speaker 2: something I've done thousands of times. I bend over to
Speaker 2: grab a football and I miss it and I have
Speaker 2: to reach back over my hip and I hear the click.
Speaker 3: And when I do that, I go to.
Speaker 2: Take another step and my leg gives out. I just
Speaker 2: collapse and first person on top of me was Brew,
Speaker 2: and then every you know, ten out, everybody else just
Speaker 2: jumps on top of the pile. Because I got the
Speaker 2: first turnover the game. You know, everybody was excited, you know.
Speaker 2: And and I can't get up, and I and I
Speaker 2: get myself up. I Brew helps me up, and I
Speaker 2: kind of loot over to the sideline. I still see
Speaker 2: the picture. There's a picture of me kind of grimacing
Speaker 2: walking past one of the chains.
Speaker 3: And I get to the sideline and get over to
Speaker 3: the bench, and I'm like, man, this doesn't feel something
Speaker 3: doesn't feel right.
Speaker 2: I called Joe man Allen over and I said, Joe, man,
Speaker 2: I don't feel right. Man, I said something, my hip
Speaker 2: doesn't feel right. And he says, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: I said, man, it just feels funny. And I kind
Speaker 2: of leaned forward and it slides out and I feel
Speaker 2: sharp pains, pain I've never felt before my life. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, and I try to I
Speaker 2: straightened my leg. I'm sorry me, get back to the mic.
Speaker 2: I straightened my leg out. It slides back in. I said, Joe, man,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think. I don't think my leg
Speaker 2: my leg is right. And so they put me on
Speaker 2: the back of a cart. They take me in the
Speaker 2: locker room. I sit on the train table again. It
Speaker 2: slips out again. I said, man, I don't know what's
Speaker 2: going on, but man, this is the worst pain I've
Speaker 2: ever felt in my life. And so I sit there
Speaker 2: for about thirty minutes trying to figure out.
Speaker 3: What is going on.
Speaker 2: Get dressed, Get on the bus, you know, get back.
Speaker 2: You know, we headed back, you know to Foxborough from Philly.
Speaker 3: Get on the plane.
Speaker 2: And I'm sitting on the bus and we're getting ready
Speaker 2: to get off right in front of on Patriot Place,
Speaker 2: right in front of the door that we go in,
Speaker 2: and it slips out again, and I said, hey man,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3: But I don't. I don't even know. I can't even
Speaker 3: walk right now.
Speaker 2: And so I get into the locker room, you know,
Speaker 2: my wife comes, gets me, I get to the house,
Speaker 2: get home, and then slips out again. I'm like, we're
Speaker 2: on this is like the fifth time, and it's and
Speaker 2: every time it's it feels worse and worse.
Speaker 3: And so they want me to go get a m ride.
Speaker 3: I'll get to the m my ride.
Speaker 2: They said, it looks like you know, you you know,
Speaker 2: broke off, chipped off some bone and it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: the hip joint is loose. So we're trying to have
Speaker 2: a slight surgery, trying to see if we can repair it.
Speaker 2: Get to to to mass General.
Speaker 3: Is it master, Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I go to sit down in the chair
Speaker 2: and it slipped it out again, and I tell the doctor.
Speaker 2: I said, hey man, I don't know what you're gonna do,
Speaker 2: but if you're not gonna fix it, then but let's
Speaker 2: not even do anything. But if you're going in there,
Speaker 2: going there to fix it and fix it down because
Speaker 2: I can't take this anymore. And that was that right there,
Speaker 2: turned me into a two hundred and you know, forty
Speaker 2: five pounds professional athlete that just signed the biggest contract
Speaker 2: in Patriot's history, the second coming to LT.
Speaker 3: Then we played the Bears in the preseason.
Speaker 2: And I came off the edge one time and it
Speaker 2: was it was the same place and everything I was
Speaker 2: telling build and practice.
Speaker 3: I was like, man, you just let me go. I'm
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go tackle the quarterback every time.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be there so fast I tack a quarter
Speaker 2: steward before he can even hand the ball in the backfield.
Speaker 2: I said, Man, this is how it's gonna be. Man,
Speaker 2: I gonna set a record for sacks because I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: I'm blazing. Just give me. I went.
Speaker 2: I went from that too, and I couldn't even use
Speaker 2: the bathroom by myself. It was a very humbling situation.
Speaker 2: I was bedridden for September October and over for three months.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't even I didn't even go.
Speaker 2: To the facility because I was so down and disappointed
Speaker 2: that I couldn't play football.
Speaker 3: But I didn't even play football.
Speaker 2: But I just felt like it was the greatest opportunity
Speaker 2: I had to display my talents. You know, I was
Speaker 2: I've always been to the person that was second guest.
Speaker 2: I was always been a person that was he's not
Speaker 2: that good and this was my shot and.
Speaker 3: Uh, and that that was. It was devastating.
Speaker 2: So took the next three months man to get a
Speaker 2: little bit closer in my in my spiritual.
Speaker 3: Life, my walk with Christ.
Speaker 2: You know, I was able to spend more time with
Speaker 2: my wife, my children, and got the chance to eventually
Speaker 2: get back in to the facility and see the guys.
Speaker 2: Brew came by. I never forget you know, Brew, you know,
Speaker 2: he would come by. We played chess. To this day,
Speaker 2: we you know it. Brews holds a special place in
Speaker 2: my heart because he was one of the the only
Speaker 2: people that you know, you know, was you know, extended
Speaker 2: itself outside of the locker room. And not that everybody
Speaker 2: anybody else you know, should have or I wanted them to,
Speaker 2: but you know, it was just a special opportunity and
Speaker 2: I appreciate him for that.
Speaker 3: And and the grind began. Man, it was hard. It
Speaker 3: was really really tough.
Speaker 2: But that that was that was that was devastating for me,
Speaker 2: and I think that I probably could have played more years,
Speaker 2: you know, after that, you know, with the way the CBA,
Speaker 2: you know, they changed the CBA, and I mean they
Speaker 2: barely out there and passed.
Speaker 3: Probably you know, twelve times a year and stuff like that. Man,
Speaker 3: that that would have saved my body.
Speaker 2: But it was a it was a tough It was
Speaker 2: a tough road to get back to just being noticeable and.
Speaker 3: Just being a resemblance of myself.
Speaker 2: And I felt like, you know, I got to the
Speaker 2: point where I was, you know, making some plays. It
Speaker 2: just was some things that I couldn't do that created
Speaker 2: the dynamic of not being that guy anymore.
Speaker 5: You know, ROSEI you've talked a couple of times about
Speaker 5: how Bill wouldn't set you free a little bit. You know,
Speaker 5: you think that he made you a more complete linebacker.
Speaker 3: I think he did.
Speaker 2: I was young, you know again, I was I was
Speaker 2: young for my age, just regardless. I mean I was,
Speaker 2: I turned twenty one my senior year at Review. I
Speaker 2: hadn't I didn't go to a bar until my senior
Speaker 2: year in West Laviette.
Speaker 3: So when I got to the NFL, you know.
Speaker 2: There were guys, most most of the guys I got
Speaker 2: drafted were twenty three, twenty four years old, two three
Speaker 2: years older than me. So I think from the standpoint
Speaker 2: of what I learned in New England, uh, from what
Speaker 2: I you know, where I came from in Chicago, it
Speaker 2: was a tremendous opportunity for me to grow as a player.
Speaker 2: I just think that I wasn't able to maximize that
Speaker 2: because of the injury and.
Speaker 1: So watch of explosion. Was that fair, Rosie that you
Speaker 1: lost him exposure? Is it fair that you lost him exposure?
Speaker 3: Lost I lost?
Speaker 2: The instinct was there, but the second and third step,
Speaker 2: being able to bend on that hip wasn't there, you know.
Speaker 2: And somebody said, well when you switched the other side,
Speaker 2: Well no, because you got to push off the other side.
Speaker 2: I couldn't dip on the right side and I couldn't
Speaker 2: push on the left side.
Speaker 3: So I had to, you know, I had to figure
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 2: But I thought I did, Okay, I thought I made
Speaker 2: a couple of plays after the fact and the bounce back.
Speaker 3: Floor started the Super Bowl then yet yeah I did.
Speaker 3: That was that and that was huge for me.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, missing the first one, after
Speaker 2: missing the first one.
Speaker 1: Which had been very tough. That had to be Like
Speaker 1: you're sitting there talking about mental and you know, down
Speaker 1: in the dumps, you signed the biggest reagent contractors, you're saying,
Speaker 1: and now you watch that team go fourteen and two
Speaker 1: and win the Super Bowl. That had to be tough too.
Speaker 2: And the crazy thing is I predicted that record too.
Speaker 2: I predicted the fourteen to two as Joe. And now
Speaker 2: I know Joe doesn't work for the Pages anymore, but
Speaker 2: I told Joe in the training room, I said, Man,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm thinking fourteen and two.
Speaker 3: And the next year I predicted record the undefeated season.
Speaker 3: I predicted. I'm talking about every time. But you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: it going back to SUP to the Super.
Speaker 2: Bowl that that next year was really really huge because
Speaker 2: then it allowed me to feel like I earned it.
Speaker 2: You know, I got a ring, but you know it
Speaker 2: was a group project. The next year, I got a
Speaker 2: ring and I earned it. And then I started that
Speaker 2: game and and made a couple of plays infamous, myself,
Speaker 2: Matt Light and Brandon going to all infamous for being
Speaker 2: the most penalized university in Super Bowl history.
Speaker 3: But outside that band, we came up with the win.
Speaker 4: Now if I'm correct, Correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Speaker 5: You guys play a four to three all year in
Speaker 5: O four and then switched to a three to four
Speaker 5: for the Super Bowl or was it vice versa?
Speaker 3: It was vice versa.
Speaker 2: We played, We played a three to four all year
Speaker 2: and then in the Super Bowl we go to a
Speaker 2: four to three look and that put I think it
Speaker 2: was tied in the middle along with Big C and
Speaker 2: then you got Raves and and Brew and Fife, you
Speaker 2: know it was. It was called Dolphin or something like that.
Speaker 2: But it was a whole new defense we had never
Speaker 2: never ran before. And we got down to Jacksonville and
Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is what we're gonna run. All
Speaker 2: we go on, lie bat, I get an opportunity to
Speaker 2: get on the field. I can play defensive end, I
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about dropping any coverage.
Speaker 3: Let's go and uh uh it was. It was a
Speaker 3: good situation, man.
Speaker 2: I really, I really am am am appreciative to mister
Speaker 2: Craft and Bill for sticking with me, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Because that that's a big injury. That was the other
Speaker 3: thing they played.
Speaker 2: In my mind was as soon as I knew what
Speaker 2: it was, it was the same injury as Bou Jackson.
Speaker 3: Jackson.
Speaker 2: Here we go back to tech Mobile, right, I'm playing
Speaker 2: with LT. Now I'm supposed to be the next LT.
Speaker 2: I'm playing the year before and with the Bears. My
Speaker 2: last year we played San Francisco and I played against
Speaker 2: Jerry Rice. I'm like, man, Jerry Rice is the greatest
Speaker 2: receiver ever. Right and now I'm going, uh, I'm going
Speaker 2: to New England and I'm supposed to be the next LT.
Speaker 2: And I get an injury of Bou Jackson, who I
Speaker 2: will always us in Techmo and super tech Mobile because
Speaker 2: he was a beast. And I got the same injury
Speaker 2: and he never came back from I'm like, man, this
Speaker 2: is this is my is my career over?
Speaker 3: And that really is what Gota started with the guest stores.
Speaker 5: So and by the way, Bo Jackson couldn't be caught
Speaker 5: in tech Mobile like that exactly. You used them because
Speaker 5: you couldn't lose.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, you know you're sitting there talking Rosie about
Speaker 1: Brew and Willie and Rabes and you know that group
Speaker 1: that you guys had and then in seven you had Junior.
Speaker 1: You remember the cover shoot for s I is that memorabilia?
Speaker 1: I hope hanging someplace in your home, because like, if
Speaker 1: you think back at that, I mean there was like,
Speaker 1: of course Taylor was on the cover of s I,
Speaker 1: but s I wasn't really there for a lot of
Speaker 1: linebackers and that group you guys being on the cover
Speaker 1: that season, that had to be a pretty special deal
Speaker 1: for you guys, wasn't it it?
Speaker 2: It was obviously I had never been on the cover
Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated. I think Junior probably had been maybe once
Speaker 2: or twice. Who else is in there?
Speaker 1: Willie's on the cover after they beat the Rams in
Speaker 1: the first Super Bowl. He's ear holing uh, Kurt Warner
Speaker 1: I think on the cover is what was.
Speaker 2: Yep so for for for most of it is me
Speaker 2: Brew Braves a d H.
Speaker 3: I can't remember who else was on there.
Speaker 2: I think there had to be another linebacker on it
Speaker 2: or Yeah, but Junior had been on the cover.
Speaker 3: That was the first time we had been on it.
Speaker 2: But for me it was huge because you know, I
Speaker 2: grew up you know, everybody, I think everybody you know
Speaker 2: as a young kid grew up collecting Sports illustrateds if
Speaker 2: you were a sports fan, but you know, my mom
Speaker 2: would get them and being that you know, again, everybody
Speaker 2: always I was always second tier to most people to
Speaker 2: be on the cover Sports. I told my kids, my
Speaker 2: kids I coached the other day, I was like, man,
Speaker 2: I was on sports and they.
Speaker 3: Were like, what, Like, yeah, Sports.
Speaker 2: Illustrats, I gotta bring I gotta take some of those
Speaker 2: in before football seasons away.
Speaker 3: But that was huge, man, it was big.
Speaker 2: And that whole season, the things that were going on
Speaker 2: that whole season were just just crazy, just bananas, and
Speaker 2: and I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I mean, well Brew, I think never would have.
Speaker 3: Thought I was been on a corver cover Sports Illustrated,
Speaker 3: but I was.
Speaker 1: Well Brew made it a point then, and I think
Speaker 1: he still talks about it while he's on TV today
Speaker 1: and just if you could comment about that, his fraternal
Speaker 1: discussion about the position, the backer hood and you know
Speaker 1: how you guys that group is just a special group.
Speaker 1: And I think he still lives and breezes that today.
Speaker 1: He's probably looking to see if there's any linebackers at
Speaker 1: ESPN that he can, you know, have a bond with.
Speaker 1: But that was a really big deal to him, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 3: It still is.
Speaker 2: I think he's got Roberberry at ESPN now. So they
Speaker 2: can have some type of power.
Speaker 3: Wow. But it was special and unique.
Speaker 2: I mean I think you look at you know, positional
Speaker 2: groups to who the build Belichick, you know sort of
Speaker 2: Tree is the Bill Parcelles Tree we talking about We're
Speaker 2: in a meeting room with Pepper Johnson, Like you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like that dude's a legend again another
Speaker 2: techmobile legend.
Speaker 3: These are guys that I'm sitting around as a kid.
Speaker 2: And so when you talk about the dynamics of who's
Speaker 2: in the room, the personalities, I mean, it was our meetings.
Speaker 2: It was hard for a guy like Maddy Patricia to
Speaker 2: come in there as a young guy to like what
Speaker 2: we did to Matty P was what Pep and LT
Speaker 2: and those guys did the Bill when he was coming
Speaker 2: up under Parceles like matty P. I mean like Raves
Speaker 2: would totally you know, make Matty P feel like a
Speaker 2: three year old because we knew more than he did.
Speaker 2: It's like, Matti, pe why would you even think that?
Speaker 2: Why are you even here talking about this right now?
Speaker 2: Like we're all bets, like we.
Speaker 3: We know more than you do. Why are we even
Speaker 3: needing so?
Speaker 2: And then you throw this thing about then Junior comes
Speaker 2: in the room. Right, that's just like okay, what what
Speaker 2: what do you what do you gonna do?
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do with Junior? When Junior says, Man,
Speaker 3: I'm not doing it. So it was it was a
Speaker 3: very unique situation. I've really really cherish. I have a
Speaker 3: I don't know where it is. I gotta find it.
Speaker 3: I have a I have a notebook.
Speaker 2: You know, everybody has a notebook, but I had a notebook,
Speaker 2: and at that point my.
Speaker 3: Career, you know, wasn't really talking about taking notes. I
Speaker 3: was just writing.
Speaker 2: Down quotes that Bill would say and Junior would say
Speaker 2: back to Bill, or what what Raves would say or
Speaker 2: what Brew was. I literally have notebooks full of, you know,
Speaker 2: one liners that I need to publish one that I
Speaker 2: need to publish that book.
Speaker 1: Did or call you Rosie? Or did he call you buddy?
Speaker 2: Because so he called everybody buddy. Everybody was buddy, but
Speaker 2: he did call me rosie. I appreciate that. But you know, uh, man,
Speaker 2: Junior was that's a special dude.
Speaker 3: Man, I don't know, I don't I've been very fortunate
Speaker 3: man to play with some great guys. I think, I
Speaker 3: mean a lot. There's been a lot of guys in
Speaker 3: New England that are great too.
Speaker 2: But I think everybody will say that too if they
Speaker 2: were fortunate to be in the NFL.
Speaker 3: But man, I just played with some great guy.
Speaker 2: I had the opportunity to sit next to some great
Speaker 2: guys in the meeting, like Junior saying, Richard Seymour, Willie McGinnis,
Speaker 2: Mike Raybooth, Teddy Bruce.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about legends. These dudes are.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately I didn't make the cut for Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: I didn't make the Hall of Fame cut the day
Speaker 2: announced the other day. But I got I got five
Speaker 2: guys that I played with, you know, just in New
Speaker 2: England that are on the Hall of Fame with so
Speaker 2: you know it.
Speaker 3: New England's is a special place and.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you about that. But first I
Speaker 4: want to ask.
Speaker 5: You about the chairs being replaced in the Linebacker meeting room.
Speaker 5: You remember that because Teddy has brought his rock and
Speaker 5: chair into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: Yes, do you still have your rock and chair?
Speaker 3: I didn't get a rocking chair. I didn't know you
Speaker 3: were too young. I didn't. Yeah, I was too young.
Speaker 2: So because like I said, when I got to New England,
Speaker 2: I was twenty I was twenty five. Everybody else was
Speaker 2: like thirty years old. So all the guys got rocket
Speaker 2: cheers except for me. And I'm like, okay, that's fine
Speaker 2: me and tell mentally to get chat him. I don't
Speaker 2: think Chattam got a rocketeer, and I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: it got one, he might have. But but man, just
Speaker 2: just the the pure joy to be there and what
Speaker 2: we did on a daily basis, you know, in our
Speaker 2: room alone. But then we get out on the on
Speaker 2: the practice field. You know, me and Ella's Hods talk
Speaker 2: about all the time our stretch lines. We never stretched.
Speaker 2: We just it was we either you know, we either
Speaker 2: you know, recited coming to America or you know, listen
Speaker 2: to Matt Light, you know, do his impersonations.
Speaker 3: And then we got ready for practice. But and just
Speaker 3: you know, I've been very very.
Speaker 2: Blessed that my time in New England was a was
Speaker 2: a great.
Speaker 3: I compared her to Chicago.
Speaker 2: I had to I had to be in prayer pre
Speaker 2: practice in Chicago because it was so hard because I had.
Speaker 3: You know, great guy. I love him. The death name
Speaker 3: is Dale Lindsay was the linebackers.
Speaker 2: They actually was Junior's linebacker coach and Sandy, but he
Speaker 2: was our linebacker coach and because we were so young, man,
Speaker 2: he would run us into the ground. And I said
Speaker 2: to myself, man, there's no way I'm playing more than
Speaker 2: four years. And so I got to New England. I
Speaker 2: was like, man, these dudes are having fun.
Speaker 3: They're they're laughing and talking to each other, so let
Speaker 3: me let me join in. So you know, it was
Speaker 3: some really really great times.
Speaker 5: So let's get back to the Hall of famers. You
Speaker 5: mentioned the Hall of Fame nominees. You know, Richard's obviously been.
Speaker 4: A multiple time finalist.
Speaker 5: I'd like to ask you about Richard Rodney and now
Speaker 5: maybe a Santi Samuel is on that list, and what
Speaker 5: you think of those guys in their prospects of being
Speaker 5: inducted into the throw Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: I think, you know we're talking about Richard. Let's go
Speaker 2: with him first. I think his career was tremendous. I
Speaker 2: think he had a or the size of a person
Speaker 2: human being that he was, and what he did on
Speaker 2: the football field, it was phenomenal. I think it was unfortunate,
Speaker 2: you know, that he couldn't finish his career or more
Speaker 2: years here in New England.
Speaker 3: I think that would have.
Speaker 2: I think that would have solidified it and given him
Speaker 2: a sooner bid uh to go in along you know,
Speaker 2: earlier on. But I think, you know, he has a
Speaker 2: great opportunity. You think about Rodney and what he did
Speaker 2: in San Diego to moving to New England and that
Speaker 2: opportunity UH to play there and solidifying those dynasties. I
Speaker 2: think he has a great opportunity as well as he's
Speaker 2: creeping up there just because of his numbers, right, A
Speaker 2: lot of guys that he compares to from a corner standpoint,
Speaker 2: they are similar. All three of those guys are fighting
Speaker 2: with guys that are coming along that are just phenomenal,
Speaker 2: you know, like you know, like once in a lifetime players.
Speaker 3: You know not to knock against.
Speaker 2: You know, those three guys, I think Richard is probably one,
Speaker 2: you know, a guy that you can look at and say,
Speaker 2: hey man, this this dude is different. You know, there's
Speaker 2: not a lot of guys like him, you know, but
Speaker 2: there's a lot of really good safeties, a lot of
Speaker 2: really good corners. But then you talk about guys like
Speaker 2: you know, Megatron, you know, it's hard to hard to
Speaker 2: say you can't throw that dude in the Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame right away. You think about guys like Peyton obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, so what they're going up against, you know,
Speaker 2: the linebackers that are that they're going up against, it's tough,
Speaker 2: the corners that they're going against, it's.
Speaker 3: Tough, the safeties, you know, it's tough. So I think, uh,
Speaker 3: time will.
Speaker 2: Tell if they get that opportunity to be in, and
Speaker 2: I think eventually it will happen. I think definitely for
Speaker 2: you know, guys like Richard. I think definitely for a
Speaker 2: guy like Rodney. You know, I think, what's the uh
Speaker 2: uh lynch.
Speaker 1: That's uh John.
Speaker 2: Got in and he go in you know every you know,
Speaker 2: right when he was eligible.
Speaker 3: But I think his body of work showed.
Speaker 2: So I think I think Rodney des definitely has the
Speaker 2: opportunity to get there, So rooting for him. Man. You know,
Speaker 2: cam is only about a four and a half five
Speaker 2: hour drive here. I'd be I'd be up to take
Speaker 2: the drive. I got a TESTA so I could just
Speaker 2: put it on auto pilot and the movie.
Speaker 1: See. The thing that's frustrating for people around here, Rosie,
Speaker 1: is what you you're talking about, Richard. You know, Richard
Speaker 1: doesn't have those stats, because that's wasn't you know, he
Speaker 1: wasn't asked, as you well know, to just pin your
Speaker 1: ears back and go. You know, he's being asked to
Speaker 1: gap and do all the things that don't generate st statistics.
Speaker 1: And then you get these slobs in these rooms who
Speaker 1: just look at stats and not to put you in
Speaker 1: a tough spot. But like I think people here in
Speaker 1: New England go wow Erlacker over Seymour and I don't.
Speaker 1: It's not It's not an either or sort of a thing.
Speaker 1: And Erlacker is a great player, but we sit there
Speaker 1: and go, well, look at what Richard did over the
Speaker 1: body of his career from a teen standpoint, championship standpoint.
Speaker 1: But that's hard to get you into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's what Richard's facing now, which
Speaker 1: seems to be a shame.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is.
Speaker 2: I think just to jump on Brian's back and real quick,
Speaker 2: you know, he was an anomaly.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 2: He was a unicorn being sixty five six four sixty
Speaker 2: five playing middle linebacker, move the way he could hit,
Speaker 2: the way could make play. So I think that situation
Speaker 2: was was was different in that who he was playing
Speaker 2: for as well.
Speaker 3: Again, you gonna have the.
Speaker 2: Fortunate opportunity to play for a couple of different organizations.
Speaker 2: And Bill's thought process on football is totally different than
Speaker 2: Great Blosh's thought process. You know, like I said, when
Speaker 2: I came into New England, I was, Okay, I'm on
Speaker 2: the line. I'm going to get it every single play.
Speaker 2: And Bill's like, no, buddy, they know you're coming to
Speaker 2: get it. We're gonna they're come, They're sending to your way.
Speaker 2: We're gonna drop you out here Underreggy Wayne and we're
Speaker 2: gonna send Ragle from the other side and he's gonna
Speaker 2: get the ten sacks. And I'm like, okay, thanks. But
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you know which one
Speaker 2: would you rather have? Would you rather have the Lombardes
Speaker 2: or would you rather have the stats?
Speaker 3: And I think you know, that's why Bill's able to.
Speaker 2: Lure guys to to New England and guys that want
Speaker 2: to stay in New England for that purpose.
Speaker 3: And you know, at the end of the day, there's
Speaker 3: more than one way to skin a cat.
Speaker 2: I think you know, Bill's just been in the game
Speaker 2: so long that he's he's got multiple ways to figure.
Speaker 3: It out, Rosie.
Speaker 4: My last question for you.
Speaker 5: I remember standing in the locker room with you one day,
Speaker 5: and it might have been, you know, it was probably
Speaker 5: the year after you were injured, and you were talking
Speaker 5: about the next man up mentality in New England and
Speaker 5: how it was very different in New England than it
Speaker 5: may have been in other places, and certainly where you
Speaker 5: had come from, where a guy gets hurt and there's
Speaker 5: this oh no feeling, whereas in New England that didn't exist.
Speaker 5: Can you maybe elaborate on that a little bit?
Speaker 2: Well, I think, you know, there's a lot of there's
Speaker 2: been a lot of adoption of principles of what I
Speaker 2: learned in New England when I got there. I think
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, social media attention to it.
Speaker 3: You know. I remember, not not to get off topic,
Speaker 3: but I remember the Saints and Sean Payton having a
Speaker 3: mantra and I'm like, bial's been saying that for years.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's the big deal about that.
Speaker 2: But when I got to New England, I think I
Speaker 2: saw what the.
Speaker 3: Process was to be able to have a next man
Speaker 3: of mentality.
Speaker 2: You can say next man of all you want to,
Speaker 2: but the guy that that goes in there may not
Speaker 2: be qualified. Bill, you know, actually takes the time to
Speaker 2: figure out can this.
Speaker 3: Guy do X, Y and z? And if he can
Speaker 3: do X, Y and Z, then.
Speaker 2: We're okay, because if this guy has to miss a
Speaker 2: game for this or miss a game for that, then
Speaker 2: we don't lose much. You add that to him being
Speaker 2: in the psyclopedia of football and formations and schemes and
Speaker 2: what you need to be successful or competitive on any
Speaker 2: given down, and now the next man of mentality is
Speaker 2: exemplified because a guy that was really just a special
Speaker 2: teams guy or a free agent for that year can now
Speaker 2: go in and feel because I remember, I distinctly remember
Speaker 2: watching the game after I got hurt the next weekend.
Speaker 2: I can't remember who they played, but Chatham was out there, right.
Speaker 2: Chatham was out there outside linebacker. Big Mack was out
Speaker 2: there outside linebacker. If you don't remember in the Super Bowls,
Speaker 2: every Super Bowl that I was a part of, well
Speaker 2: take him back the first two Super Bowls.
Speaker 3: I was a part of the first one. Rodney breaks
Speaker 3: his arm.
Speaker 2: And and uh, I can't remember who the young guy.
Speaker 2: The guy's name as it goes in has the number
Speaker 2: forty two.
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, Sean Mayer. Was it Shawn Mayer?
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't Sean Mayor. But he he goes into
Speaker 2: the I can't remember his name. He goes into the
Speaker 2: game and feels in for Rodney towards end the game.
Speaker 2: He actually gets beat yes on.
Speaker 3: The takedown in the in the game, but we end
Speaker 3: up winning the game.
Speaker 2: The next Super Bowl Geno breaks his arm, and maybe
Speaker 2: that was the one that maybe that.
Speaker 3: Was one remembers the one.
Speaker 2: The next Super Bowl geno breaks his arm and the
Speaker 2: and the young guy number forty two goes in the
Speaker 2: field for his spot.
Speaker 3: The first Super Bowl Rodney breaks his arm.
Speaker 2: I can't remember who winning the field the spot, but
Speaker 2: the next guy mentally played his role in that.
Speaker 3: I mean it goes on to all the way down
Speaker 3: to the Seahawks Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I literally literally would jumped off my couch, like I'm
Speaker 2: sitting here in my house watching Super Bowl and I'm like,
Speaker 2: there's I mean, I don't a lot of dudes run
Speaker 2: the ball. They throw the ball and this dude picks
Speaker 2: it off and I jump.
Speaker 3: I literally jump off my couch and say, there's no
Speaker 3: way that happened.
Speaker 2: And it happened, and they go back and they show
Speaker 2: the practice film or the play, the play that he
Speaker 2: picked off in practice. I mean, it doesn't work if
Speaker 2: you don't have the proper preparation. And so it's a mantra.
Speaker 2: But you know, if you I mean, you gotta, if
Speaker 2: you got to slappy out there, it's not gonna you know,
Speaker 2: the next man up doesn't mean anything other than man,
Speaker 2: you just got beat with the next man up.
Speaker 3: But in New England, I think it it's.
Speaker 2: Exemplified because they take the time to scout and to
Speaker 2: get the right guys that are able to do those
Speaker 2: specific things.
Speaker 1: Far from a slappy is this man, Rosie Covin always
Speaker 1: a favorite at this address. Rosie, this has been really
Speaker 1: on a little reminiscing and going down memory lane. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much, Best of luck with your kids, best
Speaker 1: of luck coaching, and really thanks for your time. And
Speaker 1: be healthy man, yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, thank you. I appreciate that. Very blessed to be
Speaker 2: healthy and very blessed to.
Speaker 3: Be in my family. I wish what's that on you
Speaker 3: guys as well.
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