WEBVTT - Pats from the Past: Episode 27, Rosevelt Colvin

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<v Speaker 1>Time for another episode of Pats from the Past, our podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Smith alongside with Brian Morey. We're not outside anymore, Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>since you've bailed. We're like the Red Sox twenty eight players,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight caps, but we're pleased to be joined by

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<v Speaker 1>number fifty nine in your program, but number one in

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<v Speaker 1>your heart, Roosevelt Colvin live from Indianapolis, Rosie, How you doing, man,

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<v Speaker 1>good Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Just finish cutting my grass? So sunny day here in Indy,

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<v Speaker 2>So doing well, man, blessed?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever so like listening to those dulcet tones

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<v Speaker 1>again brings back so many memories when we used to

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<v Speaker 1>have you do vo work back in the studio.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you like?

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're very busy and why we want to

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<v Speaker 1>let fans know what you're up to these days. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you ever pursue a voiceover career, man, because you should have.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not, But if there's anyone out there that

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<v Speaker 2>is looking, I'm open to it.

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<v Speaker 3>I did a series for Purdue football here recently.

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<v Speaker 2>The five hundredth game in ross A Stadium was their

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<v Speaker 2>their season opener against It was Oregon State, and my daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>who is a freshman volleyball player, at Purdue. Moved in

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<v Speaker 2>over the summer, so they asked me to do sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a recording and a taping of her moving in,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they asked me to do some voiceovers for

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<v Speaker 2>Purdue football. And I enjoy it, man, you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>gives me an opportunity to show my personality. My mom

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<v Speaker 2>was a was a small time actress here in Indianapolis

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<v Speaker 2>for years and did plays. Actually was in one of

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<v Speaker 2>the plays with the Helen Keller story. And it allows

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<v Speaker 2>me to dabble in my in my acting mode. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if I would never be an actor, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think I could get away with it on some

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<v Speaker 2>small roles.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, if memory assures me right, we are

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<v Speaker 1>Trell Hawkins. I think we opted for him after you

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<v Speaker 1>had done a year or so. Ar Trell Hawkins. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a nice voice, man, Remember his voice?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Treil has a really masculine, deep monotone voice. Last

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<v Speaker 2>time I saw was man, I want to say it

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<v Speaker 2>was at a super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it was a super Bowl here

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<v Speaker 3>or maybe it was the Combine here.

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<v Speaker 2>In Indianapolis, and he had he was doing a radio show.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember who was doing it with, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was either the Bangles of the Brown, it was the

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio radio show that he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Doing and voices the same man.

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<v Speaker 2>The dude is he now if anybody needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>getting paid all state commercial.

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<v Speaker 3>Of that dude, he's the guy I am up putting.

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<v Speaker 2>If anybody is watching or watching the podcast, man reach

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<v Speaker 2>out to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I have I have ample time on my hands. If

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<v Speaker 3>you need me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you really don't.

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<v Speaker 4>No one's ever told me, Matt, I have Dulton tones.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you really don't, Rosie. So let's let's refresh,

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<v Speaker 1>Patriot fans what it is that you're up to these days?

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<v Speaker 1>And you are a very busy man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Man, being a dad is and a husband is

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<v Speaker 2>always a number one on my list. So me and

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<v Speaker 2>Tiffany are still happily married and joined life here in Indy.

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<v Speaker 2>My oldest son and moved is moved to Chicago. My

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<v Speaker 2>oldest daughter is here in Indy. My youngest daughter, Raven,

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<v Speaker 2>she is as a freshman at Purdue now playing volleyball.

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<v Speaker 2>And then our youngest Miles, which he you know he

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<v Speaker 2>was he was four or five when we are my

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<v Speaker 2>last year.

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<v Speaker 3>In New England. He is now a sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Year old junior and he's committed to play basketball and

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<v Speaker 2>Purdue in a couple of years. So outside of you

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<v Speaker 2>know those things, going up and down sixty five to

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<v Speaker 2>Lafayette to watch raven Or with Miles on a visit,

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<v Speaker 2>or you know basketball entity situation. But outside of those things,

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<v Speaker 2>we still own and operate to five UPS stores here

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<v Speaker 2>in the area, which have been you know, great for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are going well. And then we still have the bakery.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you guys. I hope you guys have the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to taste a couple of the treats that came

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<v Speaker 2>from Swedi's Gonna May treats my wife's bakery. She's expanded

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<v Speaker 2>to two locations now, and we're I think.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going on twelve years in business. It's years.

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<v Speaker 2>It's two chater twenty one, yes, so yeah, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>on twelve years in business. And I still coach middle

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<v Speaker 2>school sports at Herit's Christian School here in Indianapolis. I

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy that a lot, just because it's it's my ministry

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<v Speaker 2>allows me to pour into kids that I think are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the pillars of our communities here in

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<v Speaker 2>the city and help them understand what they can learn

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<v Speaker 2>from sports and athletics, the bonds that they can have

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<v Speaker 2>from their teammates. And then ultimately, if there's some kids

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<v Speaker 2>that can go Division one and play you know, athletic,

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<v Speaker 2>play Division one athletics and ultimately go pro, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>try to help those parents, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, make those a and as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the last thing, which is probably one of

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<v Speaker 2>my busier things is my basketball club, which you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Miles is probably the future player and now it's the

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<v Speaker 2>Indian's Basketball Club. And again, just trying to help mentor

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<v Speaker 2>young kids and families to get the opportunity and chances

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<v Speaker 2>that I had when you know, I was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when I got the chance to go to Purdue and

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<v Speaker 2>then ultimately to the NFL.

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<v Speaker 5>So wait a minute, now, the recruiting violations with poster

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<v Speaker 5>kids going to Purdue, I mean, you've got to be.

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<v Speaker 4>A booster, right, I mean, what the heck I want

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<v Speaker 4>in the blind side?

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<v Speaker 5>They gotta they investigated Michael orr for going and missus

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<v Speaker 5>Ole miss.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey so that there aren't any recruiting violations I have.

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<v Speaker 2>I try not to donate any front money at all,

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<v Speaker 2>but no, seriously, uh uh my, you know Raven has

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<v Speaker 2>you know, she did a great job of working herself

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<v Speaker 2>into that opportunity to Purdue and coach Seandale and the

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<v Speaker 2>pretty volleyball program have been a pillar in national volleyball

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<v Speaker 2>across the country for years the Shandeale family, so him

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledging and seeing her as a talent to come on

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<v Speaker 2>board was huge for us, obviously being Purdue.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Miles.

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<v Speaker 2>You know Miles's and I hate to say sixteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old feet now and that kid he is, he's a

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<v Speaker 2>much better athlete than I am. It's much a better

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<v Speaker 2>basketball player. I would say that probably I'm probably better

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<v Speaker 2>a football player. But for Purdue to recognize who he

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<v Speaker 2>was at the early age, he was offering a scholarship

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<v Speaker 2>at fifteen, So you know, for that situation to develop

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<v Speaker 2>the where it is now, I took my hat to

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<v Speaker 2>them and they work hard.

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<v Speaker 3>I push them.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, my years there in New England have given

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<v Speaker 2>me opportunities to help them understand what it takes to be.

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<v Speaker 3>The best or if not the best and a part

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<v Speaker 3>of the best.

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<v Speaker 2>And so they're they're soaking that up and you know

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<v Speaker 2>we're moving forward with them.

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<v Speaker 5>So Rosie, can you elaborate I want you just said

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit because you cited your years in.

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<v Speaker 4>New England, I'd like to know what that how.

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<v Speaker 5>That translates to what you're talking about now about helping

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<v Speaker 5>other kids win.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know my forgetting, you know, not forgetting, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know put putting kids, my kids and the kids

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<v Speaker 2>that I mentor side. You know, my years in New

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<v Speaker 2>England helped me every single day when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>running my businesses, being able to to watch mister Craft

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<v Speaker 2>and Bill Guys, I, Scott Poli, you know, everybody that

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<v Speaker 2>was in the UH, in the scouting department, all the

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<v Speaker 2>way down to you know, the training room staff, to

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<v Speaker 2>equipment room staff, to you know, those that prepared food

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<v Speaker 2>for us. You know, all those entities and operations that

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<v Speaker 2>contributed to championship seasons and not every year was a

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<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl year. But as I look back on my

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<v Speaker 2>years in New England, I think every year we were

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, we were above five hundred. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the worst year that I had when New England

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<v Speaker 2>was the year that I came back, which my last

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<v Speaker 2>year when down and Matt Castle was a quarterback and

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<v Speaker 2>we missed the playoffs, you know, to the Dolphins.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was five too. By the way, yeah, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Eleven five and that was that was sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>an anomaly. And so for me, I take those situations

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<v Speaker 2>on how bill can you know, I just said manipulate,

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<v Speaker 2>but handle different egos, balance the cap Those are real

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<v Speaker 2>life situations and people don't really understand that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>every day regards of what you know, what entity, your

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<v Speaker 2>situation you're in. You know, there are egos in every workplace.

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<v Speaker 2>There are you know, different pay scales in every workplace.

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<v Speaker 2>And so for me, I have a model. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>budget that I have to balance. There's a certain amount

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<v Speaker 2>of funds that I can pay certain individuals that are

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<v Speaker 2>in certain roles.

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<v Speaker 3>And so those those.

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<v Speaker 2>Lessons that I saw, those lessons that I learned soaked

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<v Speaker 2>up as you know, my five to five and a

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<v Speaker 2>half six years there in New England, we're huge, or

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<v Speaker 2>are huge now because it helps me, you know, balance

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<v Speaker 2>those things with my current staff.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, people ask why or how and I say, man.

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<v Speaker 2>I I have some some some on site lessons that

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<v Speaker 2>I learned in in in Foxborough that you know I

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<v Speaker 2>could you know, I couldn't learn anywhere else, So that

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<v Speaker 2>those were big and then I'd say, you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you transfer that down to or dumb it down to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my everyday activities. When it comes to you sports,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's a truth in youth sports that some

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<v Speaker 2>parents don't see or don't want to hear. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my my son goes to a small two way school.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of kids that go to that school,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of parents that feel entitled, not even you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not forget the school. But you know, we play, we

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<v Speaker 2>play travel basketball, We go around the country and play

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<v Speaker 2>and kids try out for club teams and they feel

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<v Speaker 2>like they're better than the next person. And a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times parents don't understand this. Takes a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 3>To be elite. It takes a lot of work to

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<v Speaker 3>be the best.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was able to participate on teams that were elite,

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<v Speaker 2>that were the best, you know, time and time again.

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<v Speaker 3>And the reasonings why, the reason, the.

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<v Speaker 2>House, the twos, the how tos, the whares, the wins,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, getting the edge, you know, I know you

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<v Speaker 2>guys remember that that term that you know, big back

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<v Speaker 2>and you know Woody and all those guys that used

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<v Speaker 2>to say brew and we used to get the edge

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<v Speaker 2>on your opponent. Those are those are terms and mindsets

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<v Speaker 2>that I pass on to my kids, my blood. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>kids that are you know, raving in miles as they're

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<v Speaker 2>continuing their athletic careers, but also kids that I coach

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<v Speaker 2>and I can able to touch. So my years in

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<v Speaker 2>New England are priceless to me at this moment in

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<v Speaker 2>my life.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think a lot of Patriot fans probably forget

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<v Speaker 1>that you didn't start your career New eng when you

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<v Speaker 1>started in Chicago, and Brian mentioned recruiting, you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>far as produce concerned. But I think Patriot fans would

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<v Speaker 1>be interested to know, Rosie, what your recruitment was like

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<v Speaker 1>when you became a free agency. You know, how did

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<v Speaker 1>that go down the eventual path to a here to

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<v Speaker 1>New England.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, I've told this story many times and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know people believe me. But I didn't want to come

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<v Speaker 2>to New England. I I was a free I was

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<v Speaker 2>in Chicago. I loved the Bears, love the Bears organization,

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<v Speaker 2>mccaskey's the you know, great people, and one of the

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<v Speaker 2>one of the reasons why I became a free agent

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<v Speaker 2>was because of the infamous check box situation. I have

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<v Speaker 2>yet to be able to ask if this was done

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<v Speaker 2>purposely or not. But when I was drafted, there were

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<v Speaker 2>three linebackers, myself, warhol and Karrie Samuel. My second year

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<v Speaker 2>that drafted Brian Urlacker, which I tell people all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the reason why Brian is in the Hall of Fame,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm not never going to back down for that.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Myself and war Holeman's contracts were coming up at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time Brian came on, had a hell.

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<v Speaker 3>Of a rookie year.

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<v Speaker 2>So after my third season, you know, my my rookie

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<v Speaker 2>year contract expires to sold his Ward Holman's for some

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<v Speaker 2>strange reason. You know, teams had to not strange reason,

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<v Speaker 2>but teams when they when they send in their restricted

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<v Speaker 2>free agents, you know all that stuff back in that

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<v Speaker 2>CBA you had to check certain boxes and so on

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<v Speaker 2>wars contract, there was a box that was unchecked where

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<v Speaker 2>that if he went out and got a contract, he

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<v Speaker 2>was not getting matched. So there was a potential situation

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<v Speaker 2>that I was gonna be a free agent, Work was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a free agent, and Brian url was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be treated free agent, and they were going to lose

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<v Speaker 2>the whole linebacking corps. And so they ended up signing

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<v Speaker 2>War to an extended deal, sort of put you know,

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<v Speaker 2>lift the fuse on, you know, my time in Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>and so, uh.

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<v Speaker 3>We played the Patriots my free agent year in Champagne.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh we got cheated. I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 4>They called a catch at the back of the.

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<v Speaker 3>David Patton was out of bounds.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how. David, Yeah, David Patton was out

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<v Speaker 2>of bounds. Late great David Patton got rested, so was

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<v Speaker 2>out of bounds.

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<v Speaker 1>No way, matt Light wast light was holding me the

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<v Speaker 1>entire drive.

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<v Speaker 3>I was off.

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<v Speaker 2>The ball so fast that drive. I go back and

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<v Speaker 2>watch the other time. I was off the ball so fast.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way that Tom got the ball off.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Tom threw a pass to David Patton the back of

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<v Speaker 2>the end zone. They claimed he scored tests and we

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<v Speaker 2>lost the game. But anyway, that was my audition, I

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<v Speaker 2>think for Bill. And so all season came. I had

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<v Speaker 2>I had, you know, I had injured my shoulder at

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<v Speaker 2>Purdue my last game in the Alimable and I never

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<v Speaker 2>got it fixed. And so my I literally played three years,

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<v Speaker 2>three and a half years in Chicago, which just went on.

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<v Speaker 2>I would go out hit people my shoulder would dislocate,

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<v Speaker 2>it would go numb for the rest of the game

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<v Speaker 2>and I would just be out to tackle and went on.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had surgery, didn't go. I was supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the Pro Bowl that off season. Didn't go

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<v Speaker 2>to the Pro Bowl. And my agent calls and said, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 2>well you know, here's the plan. Here's what we're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I say, hey man, look, this is what I want.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be somewhere warm arm or indoors on

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<v Speaker 2>turf because I was a past rush guy.

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<v Speaker 3>And I said, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't want to go like I'm in Chicago, Like if

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<v Speaker 2>they're not gonna sign me back, then I want to

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<v Speaker 2>go somewhere where I can control, you know what, my

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<v Speaker 2>stats and getting indoors.

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<v Speaker 3>So Detroit was on.

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<v Speaker 2>My list, Tampa was on my list, Jacksonville, San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 2>you know all one with other times. He called me

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<v Speaker 2>and said, hey man, Bill, Bill Bill wants wants you, wants.

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<v Speaker 3>To bring you out. I'm like Bill, who said Bill Bell?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, that's the dude that used to coach with

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Parcells, right, He's like yeah. I said, nah, man,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk to him later.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go to Jacksonville.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, let's go to Detroit, Arizona, Mary Mary Jad

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<v Speaker 2>just got the he either guess you got the job.

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<v Speaker 3>And I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Arizona offered you a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>They did, and so I'm on plane, like, I go

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<v Speaker 2>to Detroit and Detroit lays it out.

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<v Speaker 3>They give me a joy. I got it in my basement.

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<v Speaker 3>They got fifty nine Jersey. Go to dinner. I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's where married you was. We go to dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>My my agent call said, hey, man, Bill wants to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you. I said, I don't want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to Bill. Okay, I'm not going to New England because

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<v Speaker 2>New England is colder than Detroit. I mean, I'm colding

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<v Speaker 2>in in Chicago. So he says, okay. So my next

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<v Speaker 2>stop was Arizona. And at that time, I can't I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even remember who the coach was in Arizona. But

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona was the next stop. And I get to Arizona

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<v Speaker 2>through the whole thing with Arizona. You know, they got

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<v Speaker 2>me on the billboard and on stuff. And so we

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<v Speaker 2>fly back, no deals in place. And so the next

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<v Speaker 2>stop was Jacksonville. So I go to Jacksonville, visit with Jacksonville.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great time. Like, man, I love the Jacksonville

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<v Speaker 2>small town. You know, one climate. Ready to go, got

0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.080
<v Speaker 2>a little nice turf, you know, and get back to

0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.160
<v Speaker 2>the hotel room. He's like, you know they're talking by

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<v Speaker 2>Detroit's got you know, I got Detroit online. YadA YadA,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, Man, Bill called again. I said, dude, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to go to New England. So uh he says,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, Rosie, you gotta go.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta go.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he said, he said, this is Bill Belichick.

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<v Speaker 2>You know they just came off a super Bowl. You

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<v Speaker 2>know you gotta go. I said, Okay, I a I

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<v Speaker 2>fly into flying the logan never, I'll never forget this.

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<v Speaker 2>They picked me up scout I can't remember. I think

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<v Speaker 2>his name was Sean. Picked me up in a Ford

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<v Speaker 2>Tours like every other every other visit Limo like stretch Limo,

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<v Speaker 2>right five star hotel. They picked me up in a

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<v Speaker 2>four Tours and this dude's got scouting papers and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>in the car.

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<v Speaker 3>Old McDonald's back. We drive, We're going down the highway and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just looking at I'm just looking outside the car

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm looking. I'm like, there's trash everywhere, Like do

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<v Speaker 2>they not clean up the highway like is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Because you know, I'm coming from Indiana, Indiana, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>highway everything it's trash, it's it's gloomy as an overcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We pull up to the stadium, nobody's there, walk in,

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<v Speaker 2>lights are off, Bills in there in his office. Bear

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<v Speaker 2>shows up, right, my first time ever beating Bears. Bears

0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.360
<v Speaker 2>shows up and saying, hey, I'm Bears and Jaring. I'm

0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:23.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, Bill's you know, assisting, YadA YadA. Okay, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>Bill be ready for you in a second. Take you

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<v Speaker 2>a little tour, a little quick tour. Bears walks me

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<v Speaker 2>down the main hallway, get to the locker room. Lights

0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:32.719
<v Speaker 2>are off in the locker room and say, hey, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the locker room. Doesn't even turn the lights on.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the locker room. And so I'm gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>you upstairs.

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<v Speaker 3>It takes me.

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<v Speaker 2>It takes me to an elevator. It takes me upstairs

0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.359
<v Speaker 2>like on the club suites or something like that. It

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<v Speaker 2>has like it has like some pictures some guys on

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<v Speaker 2>the wall and said, this is the club suit, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>YadA YadA. Take you back down the bill. I get

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<v Speaker 2>back down the Bill's office. We sit in the office

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<v Speaker 2>and we watch film.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, man, what are we doing? Man Like, let's go

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<v Speaker 3>out to eat. No, where's the State dinner? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're in Boston. Give me some lobster or something. Nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, talk to Bill, you know, he shows me some film.

0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:09.320
<v Speaker 2>This is how we want to use you watching my

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<v Speaker 2>old film in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you thinking here? What was you thinking here?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, dude, what are we in there talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>And then get to the end of the visit and

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<v Speaker 2>they take me back.

0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:25.640
<v Speaker 3>To the what's the team hotel doing training camp?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Now the four points was at the foot had No, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>At the residence in Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, And I may be mistaken, but I'm at

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<v Speaker 2>the residence in and I called my I say, man,

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<v Speaker 2>can you get me a ticket home? A sat Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so ms Nancy. I don't know if miss Nancy is

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<v Speaker 2>still there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah Nancy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Miss Nancy gets me the first flight out.

0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.879
<v Speaker 2>She says, Hey, Rosie, thanks for coming and get your

0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:48.359
<v Speaker 2>I said, give me the first because they wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>do something the next day.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, man, give me the first flight out here.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that either I don't know was that night

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<v Speaker 2>that morning shot picks me up in the same four tours.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a ninety five. It had to

0:18:57.720 --> 0:18:59.680
<v Speaker 2>be in ninety five, so you know it's seven years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Ninety five four towards taking the logan dropped me off.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like a man, appreciate it them out at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, man, they offered me the best

0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.080
<v Speaker 2>contract out everybody, and uh, it worked out to be

0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.120
<v Speaker 2>the best situation for me, So I don't regret.

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<v Speaker 5>So wait a minute, tremendous story have you and Rodney

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<v Speaker 5>Harrison shared your freezing stories?

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<v Speaker 4>Because he signed the same year, right, and they they

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<v Speaker 4>took him to eat at the ground round.

0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:24.399
<v Speaker 1>They took him by the ground round.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't even know what the ground is.

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<v Speaker 1>That No, it's like, what's the place downtown and shake

0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.439
<v Speaker 1>shake burger or something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Like a burger place.

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<v Speaker 1>It's what it is. Kind it's like a night like

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<v Speaker 1>an apple, beet apple, It's like apple.

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<v Speaker 3>It's okay with that.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the end of the day, Uh, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I've talked to Rodney, but I do remember, I'm

0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.560
<v Speaker 2>trying to think. I don't know if me and Rodney

0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:47.560
<v Speaker 2>signed at the same time, I think we signed either

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<v Speaker 2>the within.

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<v Speaker 4>This close way and Tyrone Pool too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that that experience just showed me, you know,

0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, as as I look back on my time

0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.400
<v Speaker 2>and winand just told me what they're all about. It's

0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:05.720
<v Speaker 2>all about winning. There's no there's no fancy, there were

0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:07.400
<v Speaker 2>no fans and no, I don't know if Bill has

0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:11.679
<v Speaker 2>adapted his his model and his thought process. But you know,

0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:14.439
<v Speaker 2>for me, uh, it was fine because you know, I'm

0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:16.879
<v Speaker 2>never I've never really been that guy anyway to be

0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.919
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, wind and dying out.

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<v Speaker 3>It really was, man, how much money do you have?

0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:24.399
<v Speaker 2>And I hate to say that, how much money do

0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:27.080
<v Speaker 2>you have? And they offered me the best contract, and uh,

0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, a lot of people around here with short memories Rosie,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and every we're all like what happened in

0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:37.200
<v Speaker 1>the last hour. Nobody has Nobody can remember everything, short

0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:40.119
<v Speaker 1>attention span and everything like that. So they spent a

0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.679
<v Speaker 1>lot of money this offseason in free agency, and you know,

0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:45.120
<v Speaker 1>people going, oh wow, look at the Patriots. They never

0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.920
<v Speaker 1>in free agency, they never signed top of the market guys,

0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.359
<v Speaker 1>they never never never ended We're going do you guys

0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:52.480
<v Speaker 1>don't remember Rosie Clovin and O three? Do you guys

0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:55.280
<v Speaker 1>not remember Rodney Harrison and O three? Bill will do

0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.720
<v Speaker 1>it if it makes sense. And his guys out there,

0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.160
<v Speaker 1>and you were You and Rodney were his guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think at that time, you know, Big

0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Mac was, you know, at the point where they were

0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:07.560
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out what what was gonna you know,

0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:08.880
<v Speaker 2>what they were gonna do with him over the next

0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:13.520
<v Speaker 2>year or two. You know, Vrabel, Mike Micha had just

0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:15.560
<v Speaker 2>came in the year before to the I don't know

0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:17.280
<v Speaker 2>if he was different. Michael was there for the first

0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.280
<v Speaker 2>two bow wasn't Yeah, yeah, yeah, So Michael was. Michael

0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:21.760
<v Speaker 2>was sort of in that role of he was a

0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:23.920
<v Speaker 2>free agent guy coming in being a special team guy

0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.800
<v Speaker 2>and kind of worked his way into a playing role.

0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:29.640
<v Speaker 3>You know, all the other backers were older.

0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:35.359
<v Speaker 2>You had Fife, you had Big Ted, Big Mac Brew, Uh,

0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:39.199
<v Speaker 2>Chatham Iszo and then Tully came in and I was

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<v Speaker 2>the eighth guy.

0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:43.040
<v Speaker 3>And I walked in that room, in that linebacker room,

0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:43.879
<v Speaker 3>and I was the.

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<v Speaker 2>Second youngest guy in the room to Tully Band the

0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.880
<v Speaker 2>King as a draft pick. Everybody else was six seven

0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:52.760
<v Speaker 2>years in the league, and you know, building and they spend,

0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:54.639
<v Speaker 2>Like you said, they spend as long as it's a

0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:56.880
<v Speaker 2>value that they feel. I mean, at that time, I'd

0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:59.919
<v Speaker 2>signed the biggest ridge In contract in Patriots history. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also think at that time the CBA wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>to the point where one the cap was really.

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<v Speaker 3>High and you had to spend all your money.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that changed in four or five or six

0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:12.560
<v Speaker 2>years later where they said, you guys can't hold onto

0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the money.

0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:14.879
<v Speaker 3>You gotta pay. You gotta pay guys the money. And

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<v Speaker 3>so I know a couple of.

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<v Speaker 2>Years later was when the DALYs came in and the dailies,

0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:21.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean made my contract.

0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:22.919
<v Speaker 3>Look like a like a like a like a like.

0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:24.240
<v Speaker 3>I was an undrafted free agent.

0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:28.119
<v Speaker 2>So I think Bill spins where he wants to spend,

0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.600
<v Speaker 2>and you know, it just creates a dynamic of you

0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:31.440
<v Speaker 2>guys in the media.

0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:33.800
<v Speaker 3>I want to talk about, Hey.

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<v Speaker 5>Matt, I got a funny story though, so his after

0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:39.600
<v Speaker 5>Rosie signs here in the off season, used to go

0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:42.399
<v Speaker 5>down and meet with Coach Belichick to Coach's corner for

0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:45.800
<v Speaker 5>a Patriots Football weekly. So I'm sitting outside Bears's office

0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.959
<v Speaker 5>waiting to meet with Bill, and here comes Rosie and

0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.760
<v Speaker 5>he sits down and he's eat a sandwich from the

0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:54.960
<v Speaker 5>player dining room and he says, man, I'm getting so

0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.360
<v Speaker 5>sick of this food, and I like this.

0:22:57.880 --> 0:22:59.720
<v Speaker 4>There's like plenty of restaurants just getting your car and

0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:02.240
<v Speaker 4>drive goes, well.

0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:03.520
<v Speaker 3>This is free.

0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:07.199
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he designed the biggest contract in Patriots history and

0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:08.800
<v Speaker 5>he's sick of the food, but it was free.

0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:09.199
<v Speaker 3>So he was eating it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I remember vividly. I remember vividly the first time,

0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.760
<v Speaker 1>so I started in four. I remember the first time

0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:19.480
<v Speaker 1>on a team flight and seeing Rosie and he looked

0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:22.280
<v Speaker 1>like he was going away for like a three weeks hibernation.

0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:25.560
<v Speaker 1>It was gatorade bottles, it was bags and everything. And

0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I said, what's with Rosie taking everything off the plane?

0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.160
<v Speaker 1>And somebody goes, what's the price of the food? I said,

0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:35.159
<v Speaker 1>smart man, smart man, smart man.

0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:40.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm if it's free, give me three. And I've tried

0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.720
<v Speaker 2>to teach my kids to take advantage of those situations

0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 2>like Ravens that Purdue right now and college sports is

0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:49.719
<v Speaker 2>totally different than it was when I was a college athlete.

0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:52.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just ridiculous what they with the kids.

0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:56.199
<v Speaker 2>Are offered and given now, but they have like a

0:23:56.320 --> 0:24:01.040
<v Speaker 2>whole fool but like a full blown moviie bar and

0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:04.480
<v Speaker 2>snack bar in the in the weight room. For these

0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, ray Man, you need to make sure that

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 2>you're get because when I was in college, we used

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.000
<v Speaker 2>to come off for three days uh head training to

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 2>produce Danny Miller.

0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:14.919
<v Speaker 3>He would only allow us to get one juice. That

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:17.480
<v Speaker 3>was after practice. That was after practice. We'd get one juice.

0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 3>And so I would go back and back and I'm

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:20.960
<v Speaker 3>taking a whole six pack. I'm taking a six pack.

0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:22.399
<v Speaker 2>And I'm drinking all of it right now, and he

0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 2>would get mad and come take it back out of

0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.919
<v Speaker 2>my locker. And so over the years, as I've gone

0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:30.520
<v Speaker 2>through the process of being a professional athlete, and I'm

0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:34.240
<v Speaker 2>able to, let's say, take advantage.

0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:40.400
<v Speaker 3>Of the free merchandise. And you know I've taken full advantage,

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:41.240
<v Speaker 3>smart man.

0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:43.480
<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you this, right, you know, Rosie,

0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:47.399
<v Speaker 1>here you come. You know, rebuilt Patriots defense, disappointment in

0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 1>their mouths, you know, not making the playoffs, a new

0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:52.560
<v Speaker 1>two after winning the Super Bowl. Bill's gonna reload. He's

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:57.920
<v Speaker 1>hungry for beer, and here comes Rosie Colvin terrible Week one.

0:24:58.040 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I know Brian wants to look at that for a second.

0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:04.120
<v Speaker 1>But but when you get hurt in Week two against Philadelphia,

0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:06.120
<v Speaker 1>what's going through your mind at that point in time?

0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Like what must you have been thinking?

0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 2>It was devastating, you know. I think back to that time.

0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:16.720
<v Speaker 2>That's that was a life changing.

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 3>Moment for me.

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if, if if I would rather

0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:30.520
<v Speaker 2>go through it again or not. I know, in hindsight,

0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:32.920
<v Speaker 2>there are some things that I probably that I did

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:34.240
<v Speaker 2>probably four or five years.

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Ago, that I wish I would have done right after

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 3>that situation happened.

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:42.679
<v Speaker 2>But you know, free agent signing, biggest free agent in

0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Patriots history, you know, you know it's I remember the paper.

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 2>I remember the front page of paper, the second coming

0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 2>of LT. Right, I'm like, man, they compare me to

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:56.200
<v Speaker 2>l T. I used to I'm playing Techmo Bowl with

0:25:56.359 --> 0:26:00.199
<v Speaker 2>LT and and I get there, you know, try in

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:01.400
<v Speaker 2>camp because I'm coming.

0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 3>Off the shoulder surgery, so I can't do a whole lot.

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Got a red jersey on the training camp and OTA's

0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 2>and all that stuff, and I'm just I'm used to

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 2>if I'm off the ball in Chicago, I was mostly

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 2>in coverage, but if I was on the ball, typically

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 2>I was rushing, and so going to a three four defense, man,

0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:17.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm geaked.

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:19.639
<v Speaker 3>So I'm like, every play is a blitz for me.

0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 3>I can just just get it because for me, it's

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:23.240
<v Speaker 3>all about get off on the ball.

0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:27.120
<v Speaker 2>So I would literally just key the ball and get

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:29.280
<v Speaker 2>off and it would just be regular defense. And Bill

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.480
<v Speaker 2>would he would rip me in practice, like, man, you

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 2>can't do that because you're just creating a gap.

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 3>In a lane. I'm like, well, I'm making the play though,

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:38.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm right here. I'm tackling this guy in the backfield.

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:40.399
<v Speaker 2>I said, I know we don't have pads on them,

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:42.119
<v Speaker 2>but you let me do that in a game and

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:44.959
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have forty tackles for loss. And halfway through

0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 2>a season He's like, no, you for the integrity of

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:48.760
<v Speaker 2>the defense, you can't do that. And I learned a

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.440
<v Speaker 2>lot in training camp and going up to that first

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:55.440
<v Speaker 2>game we got our face kicked in in Buffalo, and

0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:56.440
<v Speaker 2>I think I did okay.

0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 3>I didn't do bad. I didn't do well enough obviously

0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 3>to help the team.

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 2>When and then going to Philadelphia, Uh, that injury was

0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:07.000
<v Speaker 2>it was just it was it was.

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:09.679
<v Speaker 3>It was surreal. I mean, I literally I'd never forget

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 3>to play.

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:12.440
<v Speaker 2>I came around on the stunt, you know, Big Ted

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 2>calls the fumble.

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 3>One on Donovan McNabb. Ball rolls out.

0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm coming around to the left side and I take

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 2>a peek up the field and I see nothing but daylight.

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:25.679
<v Speaker 2>And I bend over and I, you know, to do

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 2>something I've done thousands of times. I bend over to

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 2>grab a football and I miss it and I have

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 2>to reach back over my hip and I hear the click.

0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:37.919
<v Speaker 3>And when I do that, I go to.

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Take another step and my leg gives out. I just

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.680
<v Speaker 2>collapse and first person on top of me was Brew,

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:46.199
<v Speaker 2>and then every you know, ten out, everybody else just

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:49.359
<v Speaker 2>jumps on top of the pile. Because I got the

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:52.119
<v Speaker 2>first turnover the game. You know, everybody was excited, you know.

0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 2>And and I can't get up, and I and I

0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 2>get myself up. I Brew helps me up, and I

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:01.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of loot over to the sideline. I still see

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 2>the picture. There's a picture of me kind of grimacing

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 2>walking past one of the chains.

0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 3>And I get to the sideline and get over to

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.840
<v Speaker 3>the bench, and I'm like, man, this doesn't feel something

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 3>doesn't feel right.

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:16.439
<v Speaker 2>I called Joe man Allen over and I said, Joe, man,

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel right. Man, I said something, my hip

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel right. And he says, what do you mean?

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:25.200
<v Speaker 2>I said, man, it just feels funny. And I kind

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:27.959
<v Speaker 2>of leaned forward and it slides out and I feel

0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 2>sharp pains, pain I've never felt before my life. I

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my god, and I try to I

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 2>straightened my leg. I'm sorry me, get back to the mic.

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I straightened my leg out. It slides back in. I said, Joe, man,

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't think. I don't think my leg

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 2>my leg is right. And so they put me on

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 2>the back of a cart. They take me in the

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 2>locker room. I sit on the train table again. It

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 2>slips out again. I said, man, I don't know what's

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:53.600
<v Speaker 2>going on, but man, this is the worst pain I've

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 2>ever felt in my life. And so I sit there

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>for about thirty minutes trying to figure out.

0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 3>What is going on.

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Get dressed, Get on the bus, you know, get back.

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:09.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, we headed back, you know to Foxborough from Philly.

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 3>Get on the plane.

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sitting on the bus and we're getting ready

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 2>to get off right in front of on Patriot Place,

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 2>right in front of the door that we go in,

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 2>and it slips out again, and I said, hey man,

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't know what's going on.

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 3>But I don't. I don't even know. I can't even

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 3>walk right now.

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 2>And so I get into the locker room, you know,

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 2>my wife comes, gets me, I get to the house,

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 2>get home, and then slips out again. I'm like, we're

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 2>on this is like the fifth time, and it's and

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 2>every time it's it feels worse and worse.

0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 3>And so they want me to go get a m ride.

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 3>I'll get to the m my ride.

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 2>They said, it looks like you know, you you know,

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 2>broke off, chipped off some bone and it's like, you know,

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 2>the hip joint is loose. So we're trying to have

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:56.920
<v Speaker 2>a slight surgery, trying to see if we can repair it.

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Get to to to mass General.

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 3>Is it master, Yeah?

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I go to sit down in the chair

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 2>and it slipped it out again, and I tell the doctor.

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 2>I said, hey man, I don't know what you're gonna do,

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 2>but if you're not gonna fix it, then but let's

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 2>not even do anything. But if you're going in there,

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 2>going there to fix it and fix it down because

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 2>I can't take this anymore. And that was that right there,

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 2>turned me into a two hundred and you know, forty

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 2>five pounds professional athlete that just signed the biggest contract

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:38.120
<v Speaker 2>in Patriot's history, the second coming to LT.

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Then we played the Bears in the preseason.

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 2>And I came off the edge one time and it

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 2>was it was the same place and everything I was

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 2>telling build and practice.

0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 3>I was like, man, you just let me go. I'm

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go tackle the quarterback every time.

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be there so fast I tack a quarter

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 2>steward before he can even hand the ball in the backfield.

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 2>I said, Man, this is how it's gonna be. Man,

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 2>I gonna set a record for sacks because I'm gonna.

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm blazing. Just give me. I went.

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 2>I went from that too, and I couldn't even use

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 2>the bathroom by myself. It was a very humbling situation.

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 2>I was bedridden for September October and over for three months.

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, I didn't even I didn't even go.

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 2>To the facility because I was so down and disappointed

0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 2>that I couldn't play football.

0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 3>But I didn't even play football.

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 2>But I just felt like it was the greatest opportunity

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I had to display my talents. You know, I was

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 2>I've always been to the person that was second guest.

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 2>I was always been a person that was he's not

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 2>that good and this was my shot and.

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 3>Uh, and that that was. It was devastating.

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:42.240
<v Speaker 2>So took the next three months man to get a

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 2>little bit closer in my in my spiritual.

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:45.360
<v Speaker 3>Life, my walk with Christ.

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 2>You know, I was able to spend more time with

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 2>my wife, my children, and got the chance to eventually

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 2>get back in to the facility and see the guys.

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Brew came by. I never forget you know, Brew, you know,

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 2>he would come by. We played chess. To this day,

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 2>we you know it. Brews holds a special place in

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 2>my heart because he was one of the the only

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 2>people that you know, you know, was you know, extended

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 2>itself outside of the locker room. And not that everybody

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>anybody else you know, should have or I wanted them to,

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 2>but you know, it was just a special opportunity and

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:21.320
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate him for that.

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 3>And and the grind began. Man, it was hard. It

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 3>was really really tough.

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 2>But that that was that was that was devastating for me,

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 2>and I think that I probably could have played more years,

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, after that, you know, with the way the CBA,

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, they changed the CBA, and I mean they

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 2>barely out there and passed.

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Probably you know, twelve times a year and stuff like that. Man,

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 3>that that would have saved my body.

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:44.640
<v Speaker 2>But it was a it was a tough It was

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 2>a tough road to get back to just being noticeable and.

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Just being a resemblance of myself.

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 2>And I felt like, you know, I got to the

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:56.280
<v Speaker 2>point where I was, you know, making some plays. It

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>just was some things that I couldn't do that created

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 2>the dynamic of not being that guy anymore.

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 5>You know, ROSEI you've talked a couple of times about

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 5>how Bill wouldn't set you free a little bit. You know,

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 5>you think that he made you a more complete linebacker.

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 3>I think he did.

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I was young, you know again, I was I was

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>young for my age, just regardless. I mean I was,

0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:22.480
<v Speaker 2>I turned twenty one my senior year at Review. I

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:24.680
<v Speaker 2>hadn't I didn't go to a bar until my senior

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 2>year in West Laviette.

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 3>So when I got to the NFL, you know.

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 2>There were guys, most most of the guys I got

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>drafted were twenty three, twenty four years old, two three

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 2>years older than me. So I think from the standpoint

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 2>of what I learned in New England, uh, from what

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I you know, where I came from in Chicago, it

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:44.719
<v Speaker 2>was a tremendous opportunity for me to grow as a player.

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 2>I just think that I wasn't able to maximize that

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 2>because of the injury and.

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:52.160
<v Speaker 1>So watch of explosion. Was that fair, Rosie that you

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 1>lost him exposure? Is it fair that you lost him exposure?

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 3>Lost I lost?

0:33:56.640 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 2>The instinct was there, but the second and third step,

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 2>being able to bend on that hip wasn't there, you know.

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 2>And somebody said, well when you switched the other side,

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:09.839
<v Speaker 2>Well no, because you got to push off the other side.

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't dip on the right side and I couldn't

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:13.840
<v Speaker 2>push on the left side.

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:15.760
<v Speaker 3>So I had to, you know, I had to figure

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:16.040
<v Speaker 3>it out.

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:18.839
<v Speaker 2>But I thought I did, Okay, I thought I made

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.840
<v Speaker 2>a couple of plays after the fact and the bounce back.

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 3>Floor started the Super Bowl then yet yeah I did.

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 3>That was that and that was huge for me.

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:30.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you know, missing the first one, after

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:31.440
<v Speaker 2>missing the first one.

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Which had been very tough. That had to be Like

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:36.240
<v Speaker 1>you're sitting there talking about mental and you know, down

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 1>in the dumps, you signed the biggest reagent contractors, you're saying,

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:41.279
<v Speaker 1>and now you watch that team go fourteen and two

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 1>and win the Super Bowl. That had to be tough too.

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 2>And the crazy thing is I predicted that record too.

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:48.359
<v Speaker 2>I predicted the fourteen to two as Joe. And now

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 2>I know Joe doesn't work for the Pages anymore, but

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 2>I told Joe in the training room, I said, Man,

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm thinking fourteen and two.

0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:59.280
<v Speaker 3>And the next year I predicted record the undefeated season.

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.839
<v Speaker 3>I predicted. I'm talking about every time. But you know, yeah,

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 3>it going back to SUP to the Super.

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Bowl that that next year was really really huge because

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 2>then it allowed me to feel like I earned it.

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, I got a ring, but you know it

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 2>was a group project. The next year, I got a

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:19.880
<v Speaker 2>ring and I earned it. And then I started that

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:23.840
<v Speaker 2>game and and made a couple of plays infamous, myself,

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Matt Light and Brandon going to all infamous for being

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.239
<v Speaker 2>the most penalized university in Super Bowl history.

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:30.880
<v Speaker 3>But outside that band, we came up with the win.

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:34.440
<v Speaker 4>Now if I'm correct, Correct me if I'm wrong on this.

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 5>You guys play a four to three all year in

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 5>O four and then switched to a three to four

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:41.280
<v Speaker 5>for the Super Bowl or was it vice versa?

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 3>It was vice versa.

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.240
<v Speaker 2>We played, We played a three to four all year

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 2>and then in the Super Bowl we go to a

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 2>four to three look and that put I think it

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 2>was tied in the middle along with Big C and

0:35:54.640 --> 0:36:00.080
<v Speaker 2>then you got Raves and and Brew and Fife, you

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 2>know it was. It was called Dolphin or something like that.

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 2>But it was a whole new defense we had never

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 2>never ran before. And we got down to Jacksonville and

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:08.719
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, this is what we're gonna run. All

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 2>we go on, lie bat, I get an opportunity to

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 2>get on the field. I can play defensive end, I

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 2>don't have to worry about dropping any coverage.

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Let's go and uh uh it was. It was a

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 3>good situation, man.

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:23.239
<v Speaker 2>I really, I really am am am appreciative to mister

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Craft and Bill for sticking with me, you know what

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying.

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 3>Because that that's a big injury. That was the other

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 3>thing they played.

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 2>In my mind was as soon as I knew what

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:35.760
<v Speaker 2>it was, it was the same injury as Bou Jackson.

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 3>Jackson.

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Here we go back to tech Mobile, right, I'm playing

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 2>with LT. Now I'm supposed to be the next LT.

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm playing the year before and with the Bears. My

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:48.280
<v Speaker 2>last year we played San Francisco and I played against

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Jerry Rice. I'm like, man, Jerry Rice is the greatest

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:54.600
<v Speaker 2>receiver ever. Right and now I'm going, uh, I'm going

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:57.080
<v Speaker 2>to New England and I'm supposed to be the next LT.

0:36:57.400 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 2>And I get an injury of Bou Jackson, who I

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 2>will always us in Techmo and super tech Mobile because

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:04.840
<v Speaker 2>he was a beast. And I got the same injury

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:06.879
<v Speaker 2>and he never came back from I'm like, man, this

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:08.879
<v Speaker 2>is this is my is my career over?

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 3>And that really is what Gota started with the guest stores.

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:15.479
<v Speaker 5>So and by the way, Bo Jackson couldn't be caught

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:18.200
<v Speaker 5>in tech Mobile like that exactly. You used them because

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:19.279
<v Speaker 5>you couldn't lose.

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yes, you know you're sitting there talking Rosie about

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Brew and Willie and Rabes and you know that group

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 1>that you guys had and then in seven you had Junior.

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 1>You remember the cover shoot for s I is that memorabilia?

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I hope hanging someplace in your home, because like, if

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>you think back at that, I mean there was like,

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:46.959
<v Speaker 1>of course Taylor was on the cover of s I,

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 1>but s I wasn't really there for a lot of

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:51.239
<v Speaker 1>linebackers and that group you guys being on the cover

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:54.279
<v Speaker 1>that season, that had to be a pretty special deal

0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>for you guys, wasn't it it?

0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:59.040
<v Speaker 2>It was obviously I had never been on the cover

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 2>Sports Illustrated. I think Junior probably had been maybe once

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 2>or twice. Who else is in there?

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Willie's on the cover after they beat the Rams in

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:11.280
<v Speaker 1>the first Super Bowl. He's ear holing uh, Kurt Warner

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I think on the cover is what was.

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Yep so for for for most of it is me

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Brew Braves a d H.

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember who else was on there.

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:24.800
<v Speaker 2>I think there had to be another linebacker on it

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:28.319
<v Speaker 2>or Yeah, but Junior had been on the cover.

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:30.799
<v Speaker 3>That was the first time we had been on it.

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 2>But for me it was huge because you know, I

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 2>grew up you know, everybody, I think everybody you know

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 2>as a young kid grew up collecting Sports illustrateds if

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 2>you were a sports fan, but you know, my mom

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 2>would get them and being that you know, again, everybody

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 2>always I was always second tier to most people to

0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 2>be on the cover Sports. I told my kids, my

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:54.319
<v Speaker 2>kids I coached the other day, I was like, man,

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:55.879
<v Speaker 2>I was on sports and they.

0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 3>Were like, what, Like, yeah, Sports.

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Illustrats, I gotta bring I gotta take some of those

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:01.439
<v Speaker 2>in before football seasons away.

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:03.879
<v Speaker 3>But that was huge, man, it was big.

0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:07.839
<v Speaker 2>And that whole season, the things that were going on

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 2>that whole season were just just crazy, just bananas, and

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 2>and I appreciate it.

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, well Brew, I think never would have.

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 3>Thought I was been on a corver cover Sports Illustrated,

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:17.640
<v Speaker 3>but I was.

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:19.879
<v Speaker 1>Well Brew made it a point then, and I think

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:22.320
<v Speaker 1>he still talks about it while he's on TV today

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 1>and just if you could comment about that, his fraternal

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 1>discussion about the position, the backer hood and you know

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:34.880
<v Speaker 1>how you guys that group is just a special group.

0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:37.160
<v Speaker 1>And I think he still lives and breezes that today.

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:39.400
<v Speaker 1>He's probably looking to see if there's any linebackers at

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:42.799
<v Speaker 1>ESPN that he can, you know, have a bond with.

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:46.319
<v Speaker 1>But that was a really big deal to him, wasn't it.

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:46.839
<v Speaker 2>It was?

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 3>It still is.

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 2>I think he's got Roberberry at ESPN now. So they

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.479
<v Speaker 2>can have some type of power.

0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:54.720
<v Speaker 3>Wow. But it was special and unique.

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean I think you look at you know, positional

0:39:57.200 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 2>groups to who the build Belichick, you know sort of

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Tree is the Bill Parcelles Tree we talking about We're

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:08.320
<v Speaker 2>in a meeting room with Pepper Johnson, Like you know

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, Like that dude's a legend again another

0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:13.400
<v Speaker 2>techmobile legend.

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:16.399
<v Speaker 3>These are guys that I'm sitting around as a kid.

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 2>And so when you talk about the dynamics of who's

0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 2>in the room, the personalities, I mean, it was our meetings.

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 2>It was hard for a guy like Maddy Patricia to

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:32.399
<v Speaker 2>come in there as a young guy to like what

0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:36.279
<v Speaker 2>we did to Matty P was what Pep and LT

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:38.960
<v Speaker 2>and those guys did the Bill when he was coming

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 2>up under Parceles like matty P. I mean like Raves

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:46.880
<v Speaker 2>would totally you know, make Matty P feel like a

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:50.520
<v Speaker 2>three year old because we knew more than he did.

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 2>It's like, Matti, pe why would you even think that?

0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Why are you even here talking about this right now?

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Like we're all bets, like we.

0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 3>We know more than you do. Why are we even

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 3>needing so?

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:03.799
<v Speaker 2>And then you throw this thing about then Junior comes

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:07.920
<v Speaker 2>in the room. Right, that's just like okay, what what

0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:09.000
<v Speaker 2>what do you what do you gonna do?

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:10.839
<v Speaker 3>What are you gonna do with Junior? When Junior says, Man,

0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm not doing it. So it was it was a

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 3>very unique situation. I've really really cherish. I have a

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:17.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't know where it is. I gotta find it.

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:19.440
<v Speaker 3>I have a I have a notebook.

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:21.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, everybody has a notebook, but I had a notebook,

0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:23.319
<v Speaker 2>and at that point my.

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:25.480
<v Speaker 3>Career, you know, wasn't really talking about taking notes. I

0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:26.480
<v Speaker 3>was just writing.

0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Down quotes that Bill would say and Junior would say

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.400
<v Speaker 2>back to Bill, or what what Raves would say or

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:37.040
<v Speaker 2>what Brew was. I literally have notebooks full of, you know,

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 2>one liners that I need to publish one that I

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 2>need to publish that book.

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Did or call you Rosie? Or did he call you buddy?

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Because so he called everybody buddy. Everybody was buddy, but

0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:56.279
<v Speaker 2>he did call me rosie. I appreciate that. But you know, uh, man,

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Junior was that's a special dude.

0:41:58.680 --> 0:42:02.560
<v Speaker 3>Man, I don't know, I don't I've been very fortunate

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 3>man to play with some great guys. I think, I

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:06.400
<v Speaker 3>mean a lot. There's been a lot of guys in

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 3>New England that are great too.

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:10.239
<v Speaker 2>But I think everybody will say that too if they

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:11.680
<v Speaker 2>were fortunate to be in the NFL.

0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:13.319
<v Speaker 3>But man, I just played with some great guy.

0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 2>I had the opportunity to sit next to some great

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 2>guys in the meeting, like Junior saying, Richard Seymour, Willie McGinnis,

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Mike Raybooth, Teddy Bruce.

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:22.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about legends. These dudes are.

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately I didn't make the cut for Hall of Fame.

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:26.680
<v Speaker 2>I didn't make the Hall of Fame cut the day

0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:28.479
<v Speaker 2>announced the other day. But I got I got five

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 2>guys that I played with, you know, just in New

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 2>England that are on the Hall of Fame with so

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:33.800
<v Speaker 2>you know it.

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 3>New England's is a special place and.

0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:37.400
<v Speaker 4>I want to ask you about that. But first I

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 4>want to ask.

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 5>You about the chairs being replaced in the Linebacker meeting room.

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:46.320
<v Speaker 5>You remember that because Teddy has brought his rock and

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:47.439
<v Speaker 5>chair into the Hall of Fame.

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:50.200
<v Speaker 4>Yes, do you still have your rock and chair?

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 3>I didn't get a rocking chair. I didn't know you

0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:54.560
<v Speaker 3>were too young. I didn't. Yeah, I was too young.

0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 2>So because like I said, when I got to New England,

0:42:57.239 --> 0:43:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I was twenty I was twenty five. Everybody else was

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:03.799
<v Speaker 2>like thirty years old. So all the guys got rocket

0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 2>cheers except for me. And I'm like, okay, that's fine

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:07.640
<v Speaker 2>me and tell mentally to get chat him. I don't

0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:09.440
<v Speaker 2>think Chattam got a rocketeer, and I'm not sure if

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:13.360
<v Speaker 2>it got one, he might have. But but man, just

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:18.719
<v Speaker 2>just the the pure joy to be there and what

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:21.279
<v Speaker 2>we did on a daily basis, you know, in our

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:24.120
<v Speaker 2>room alone. But then we get out on the on

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 2>the practice field. You know, me and Ella's Hods talk

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:29.880
<v Speaker 2>about all the time our stretch lines. We never stretched.

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:33.040
<v Speaker 2>We just it was we either you know, we either

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:36.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, recited coming to America or you know, listen

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 2>to Matt Light, you know, do his impersonations.

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:40.759
<v Speaker 3>And then we got ready for practice. But and just

0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, I've been very very.

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Blessed that my time in New England was a was

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 2>a great.

0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:47.000
<v Speaker 3>I compared her to Chicago.

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 2>I had to I had to be in prayer pre

0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:54.200
<v Speaker 2>practice in Chicago because it was so hard because I had.

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:56.799
<v Speaker 3>You know, great guy. I love him. The death name

0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:58.200
<v Speaker 3>is Dale Lindsay was the linebackers.

0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:00.880
<v Speaker 2>They actually was Junior's linebacker coach and Sandy, but he

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:04.200
<v Speaker 2>was our linebacker coach and because we were so young, man,

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 2>he would run us into the ground. And I said

0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:07.920
<v Speaker 2>to myself, man, there's no way I'm playing more than

0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:10.279
<v Speaker 2>four years. And so I got to New England. I

0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:11.759
<v Speaker 2>was like, man, these dudes are having fun.

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:15.399
<v Speaker 3>They're they're laughing and talking to each other, so let

0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:18.759
<v Speaker 3>me let me join in. So you know, it was

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:20.279
<v Speaker 3>some really really great times.

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 5>So let's get back to the Hall of famers. You

0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:26.879
<v Speaker 5>mentioned the Hall of Fame nominees. You know, Richard's obviously been.

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:28.360
<v Speaker 4>A multiple time finalist.

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:31.319
<v Speaker 5>I'd like to ask you about Richard Rodney and now

0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:34.359
<v Speaker 5>maybe a Santi Samuel is on that list, and what

0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:36.760
<v Speaker 5>you think of those guys in their prospects of being

0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:38.839
<v Speaker 5>inducted into the throw Football Hall of Fame.

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 2>I think, you know we're talking about Richard. Let's go

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:46.840
<v Speaker 2>with him first. I think his career was tremendous. I

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:51.240
<v Speaker 2>think he had a or the size of a person

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 2>human being that he was, and what he did on

0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:58.440
<v Speaker 2>the football field, it was phenomenal. I think it was unfortunate,

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, that he couldn't finish his career or more

0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 2>years here in New England.

0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:02.279
<v Speaker 3>I think that would have.

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:05.239
<v Speaker 2>I think that would have solidified it and given him

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 2>a sooner bid uh to go in along you know,

0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 2>earlier on. But I think, you know, he has a

0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:17.799
<v Speaker 2>great opportunity. You think about Rodney and what he did

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:21.200
<v Speaker 2>in San Diego to moving to New England and that

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:25.799
<v Speaker 2>opportunity UH to play there and solidifying those dynasties. I

0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:29.359
<v Speaker 2>think he has a great opportunity as well as he's

0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 2>creeping up there just because of his numbers, right, A

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 2>lot of guys that he compares to from a corner standpoint,

0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:40.800
<v Speaker 2>they are similar. All three of those guys are fighting

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:45.319
<v Speaker 2>with guys that are coming along that are just phenomenal,

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, like you know, like once in a lifetime players.

0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:51.280
<v Speaker 3>You know not to knock against.

0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:53.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, those three guys, I think Richard is probably one,

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:55.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, a guy that you can look at and say,

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:57.759
<v Speaker 2>hey man, this this dude is different. You know, there's

0:45:57.800 --> 0:45:59.360
<v Speaker 2>not a lot of guys like him, you know, but

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of really good safeties, a lot of

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:03.520
<v Speaker 2>really good corners. But then you talk about guys like

0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, Megatron, you know, it's hard to hard to

0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:08.279
<v Speaker 2>say you can't throw that dude in the Hall of

0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Fame right away. You think about guys like Peyton obviously,

0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:14.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, so what they're going up against, you know,

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the linebackers that are that they're going up against, it's tough,

0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 2>the corners that they're going against, it's.

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:24.640
<v Speaker 3>Tough, the safeties, you know, it's tough. So I think, uh,

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:26.480
<v Speaker 3>time will.

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Tell if they get that opportunity to be in, and

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I think eventually it will happen. I think definitely for

0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:34.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, guys like Richard. I think definitely for a

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 2>guy like Rodney. You know, I think, what's the uh

0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:38.719
<v Speaker 2>uh lynch.

0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:42.080
<v Speaker 1>That's uh John.

0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Got in and he go in you know every you know,

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:45.840
<v Speaker 2>right when he was eligible.

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:47.800
<v Speaker 3>But I think his body of work showed.

0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:49.840
<v Speaker 2>So I think I think Rodney des definitely has the

0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:52.400
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to get there, So rooting for him. Man. You know,

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:54.359
<v Speaker 2>cam is only about a four and a half five

0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:57.359
<v Speaker 2>hour drive here. I'd be I'd be up to take

0:46:57.440 --> 0:46:58.840
<v Speaker 2>the drive. I got a TESTA so I could just

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:00.479
<v Speaker 2>put it on auto pilot and the movie.

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 1>See. The thing that's frustrating for people around here, Rosie,

0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:07.160
<v Speaker 1>is what you you're talking about, Richard. You know, Richard

0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have those stats, because that's wasn't you know, he

0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:12.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't asked, as you well know, to just pin your

0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:15.239
<v Speaker 1>ears back and go. You know, he's being asked to

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:19.000
<v Speaker 1>gap and do all the things that don't generate st statistics.

0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:21.839
<v Speaker 1>And then you get these slobs in these rooms who

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:24.360
<v Speaker 1>just look at stats and not to put you in

0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:26.880
<v Speaker 1>a tough spot. But like I think people here in

0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:29.919
<v Speaker 1>New England go wow Erlacker over Seymour and I don't.

0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:31.839
<v Speaker 1>It's not It's not an either or sort of a thing.

0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:34.359
<v Speaker 1>And Erlacker is a great player, but we sit there

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:35.920
<v Speaker 1>and go, well, look at what Richard did over the

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:39.040
<v Speaker 1>body of his career from a teen standpoint, championship standpoint.

0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:41.760
<v Speaker 1>But that's hard to get you into the Hall of Fame.

0:47:42.080 --> 0:47:44.719
<v Speaker 1>And I think that that's what Richard's facing now, which

0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:45.640
<v Speaker 1>seems to be a shame.

0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:47.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah it is.

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:50.879
<v Speaker 2>I think just to jump on Brian's back and real quick,

0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:53.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, he was an anomaly.

0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:53.560
<v Speaker 3>He was.

0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 2>He was a unicorn being sixty five six four sixty

0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:00.839
<v Speaker 2>five playing middle linebacker, move the way he could hit,

0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:03.840
<v Speaker 2>the way could make play. So I think that situation

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:09.600
<v Speaker 2>was was was different in that who he was playing

0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:10.359
<v Speaker 2>for as well.

0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 3>Again, you gonna have the.

0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Fortunate opportunity to play for a couple of different organizations.

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 2>And Bill's thought process on football is totally different than

0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Great Blosh's thought process. You know, like I said, when

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:24.560
<v Speaker 2>I came into New England, I was, Okay, I'm on

0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:26.479
<v Speaker 2>the line. I'm going to get it every single play.

0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:29.719
<v Speaker 2>And Bill's like, no, buddy, they know you're coming to

0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:31.960
<v Speaker 2>get it. We're gonna they're come, They're sending to your way.

0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:34.719
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna drop you out here Underreggy Wayne and we're

0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:36.560
<v Speaker 2>gonna send Ragle from the other side and he's gonna

0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 2>get the ten sacks. And I'm like, okay, thanks. But

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:42.279
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, you know which one

0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:45.480
<v Speaker 2>would you rather have? Would you rather have the Lombardes

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:47.200
<v Speaker 2>or would you rather have the stats?

0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:50.040
<v Speaker 3>And I think you know, that's why Bill's able to.

0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Lure guys to to New England and guys that want

0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:57.080
<v Speaker 2>to stay in New England for that purpose.

0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:00.359
<v Speaker 3>And you know, at the end of the day, there's

0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:01.560
<v Speaker 3>more than one way to skin a cat.

0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:03.759
<v Speaker 2>I think you know, Bill's just been in the game

0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:06.800
<v Speaker 2>so long that he's he's got multiple ways to figure.

0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:07.840
<v Speaker 3>It out, Rosie.

0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:08.799
<v Speaker 4>My last question for you.

0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:10.959
<v Speaker 5>I remember standing in the locker room with you one day,

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:14.040
<v Speaker 5>and it might have been, you know, it was probably

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:16.959
<v Speaker 5>the year after you were injured, and you were talking

0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:19.799
<v Speaker 5>about the next man up mentality in New England and

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:23.600
<v Speaker 5>how it was very different in New England than it

0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:25.440
<v Speaker 5>may have been in other places, and certainly where you

0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:27.959
<v Speaker 5>had come from, where a guy gets hurt and there's

0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:31.280
<v Speaker 5>this oh no feeling, whereas in New England that didn't exist.

0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 5>Can you maybe elaborate on that a little bit?

0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:36.959
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think, you know, there's a lot of there's

0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:41.239
<v Speaker 2>been a lot of adoption of principles of what I

0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:43.640
<v Speaker 2>learned in New England when I got there. I think

0:49:43.680 --> 0:49:46.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot of you know, social media attention to it.

0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:49.920
<v Speaker 3>You know. I remember, not not to get off topic,

0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:57.880
<v Speaker 3>but I remember the Saints and Sean Payton having a

0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:00.960
<v Speaker 3>mantra and I'm like, bial's been saying that for years.

0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what's the big deal about that.

0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:06.680
<v Speaker 2>But when I got to New England, I think I

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:08.520
<v Speaker 2>saw what the.

0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:13.040
<v Speaker 3>Process was to be able to have a next man

0:50:13.080 --> 0:50:13.760
<v Speaker 3>of mentality.

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:15.560
<v Speaker 2>You can say next man of all you want to,

0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:18.160
<v Speaker 2>but the guy that that goes in there may not

0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:22.440
<v Speaker 2>be qualified. Bill, you know, actually takes the time to

0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:23.600
<v Speaker 2>figure out can this.

0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:26.279
<v Speaker 3>Guy do X, Y and z? And if he can

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:27.839
<v Speaker 3>do X, Y and Z, then.

0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:31.160
<v Speaker 2>We're okay, because if this guy has to miss a

0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:33.399
<v Speaker 2>game for this or miss a game for that, then

0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:37.399
<v Speaker 2>we don't lose much. You add that to him being

0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:41.040
<v Speaker 2>in the psyclopedia of football and formations and schemes and

0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:43.600
<v Speaker 2>what you need to be successful or competitive on any

0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:47.560
<v Speaker 2>given down, and now the next man of mentality is

0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:50.640
<v Speaker 2>exemplified because a guy that was really just a special

0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:53.520
<v Speaker 2>teams guy or a free agent for that year can now

0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:58.240
<v Speaker 2>go in and feel because I remember, I distinctly remember

0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:01.000
<v Speaker 2>watching the game after I got hurt the next weekend.

0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:04.520
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember who they played, but Chatham was out there, right.

0:51:04.640 --> 0:51:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Chatham was out there outside linebacker. Big Mack was out

0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 2>there outside linebacker. If you don't remember in the Super Bowls,

0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:15.880
<v Speaker 2>every Super Bowl that I was a part of, well

0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:17.600
<v Speaker 2>take him back the first two Super Bowls.

0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 3>I was a part of the first one. Rodney breaks

0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:20.760
<v Speaker 3>his arm.

0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:25.120
<v Speaker 2>And and uh, I can't remember who the young guy.

0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:26.920
<v Speaker 2>The guy's name as it goes in has the number

0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:27.319
<v Speaker 2>forty two.

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember his name, Sean Mayer. Was it Shawn Mayer?

0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:34.759
<v Speaker 2>No, it wasn't Sean Mayor. But he he goes into

0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:36.160
<v Speaker 2>the I can't remember his name. He goes into the

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:37.799
<v Speaker 2>game and feels in for Rodney towards end the game.

0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:39.879
<v Speaker 2>He actually gets beat yes on.

0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:41.400
<v Speaker 3>The takedown in the in the game, but we end

0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:42.040
<v Speaker 3>up winning the game.

0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:47.080
<v Speaker 2>The next Super Bowl Geno breaks his arm, and maybe

0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 2>that was the one that maybe that.

0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:48.879
<v Speaker 3>Was one remembers the one.

0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:50.840
<v Speaker 2>The next Super Bowl geno breaks his arm and the

0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:52.719
<v Speaker 2>and the young guy number forty two goes in the

0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:53.640
<v Speaker 2>field for his spot.

0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:56.440
<v Speaker 3>The first Super Bowl Rodney breaks his arm.

0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:58.520
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember who winning the field the spot, but

0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.200
<v Speaker 2>the next guy mentally played his role in that.

0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:03.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean it goes on to all the way down

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:04.800
<v Speaker 3>to the Seahawks Super Bowl.

0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I literally literally would jumped off my couch, like I'm

0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:12.640
<v Speaker 2>sitting here in my house watching Super Bowl and I'm like,

0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:14.759
<v Speaker 2>there's I mean, I don't a lot of dudes run

0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:17.520
<v Speaker 2>the ball. They throw the ball and this dude picks

0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:18.520
<v Speaker 2>it off and I jump.

0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:21.560
<v Speaker 3>I literally jump off my couch and say, there's no

0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:22.480
<v Speaker 3>way that happened.

0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:25.360
<v Speaker 2>And it happened, and they go back and they show

0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:28.080
<v Speaker 2>the practice film or the play, the play that he

0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:31.520
<v Speaker 2>picked off in practice. I mean, it doesn't work if

0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:36.160
<v Speaker 2>you don't have the proper preparation. And so it's a mantra.

0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:38.719
<v Speaker 2>But you know, if you I mean, you gotta, if

0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:40.799
<v Speaker 2>you got to slappy out there, it's not gonna you know,

0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:43.239
<v Speaker 2>the next man up doesn't mean anything other than man,

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<v Speaker 2>you just got beat with the next man up.

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<v Speaker 3>But in New England, I think it it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Exemplified because they take the time to scout and to

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<v Speaker 2>get the right guys that are able to do those

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<v Speaker 2>specific things.

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<v Speaker 1>Far from a slappy is this man, Rosie Covin always

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<v Speaker 1>a favorite at this address. Rosie, this has been really

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<v Speaker 1>on a little reminiscing and going down memory lane. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much, Best of luck with your kids, best

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<v Speaker 1>of luck coaching, and really thanks for your time. And

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<v Speaker 1>be healthy man, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, thank you. I appreciate that. Very blessed to be

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<v Speaker 2>healthy and very blessed to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be in my family. I wish what's that on you

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<v Speaker 3>guys as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking to that right.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great to speak to you today, Ruggins, no problem,

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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