Speaker 1: Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own look over
Speaker 1: there is that in the culture? Yes, wow, lost culture.
Speaker 2: Ding dum lost culture.
Speaker 1: Resta is calling one of the most important weeks in culture.
Speaker 2: But is it the correct week in culture. That's the
Speaker 2: thing with Oscar nominees. It's always important but never quite correct.
Speaker 1: It's always a mixed bag, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Bowen Yang absolutely like my life right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're sick, you're not feeling good.
Speaker 2: Well, this is my second sore throat in as many months.
Speaker 2: And I think and I looked it up. Finally, I
Speaker 2: don't know why I didn't do this in my youth.
Speaker 2: I qualify for a tons electomy and I might get
Speaker 2: those suckers out.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea.
Speaker 2: You think it'll change my voice? Well, wadding a sore
Speaker 2: throat like ten times a year, it's.
Speaker 1: You have to make sure that it's because of your
Speaker 1: tonsils though, like it could be something else, like if
Speaker 1: you're gonna have your tonsils removed, and it's not like
Speaker 1: that's growl not why girl.
Speaker 2: I'm going to the NT. She's gonna tell me what's what.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go in and book it.
Speaker 1: I just I just think it's very funny and very
Speaker 1: you to be like, I'm getting my tonsils out, Babe.
Speaker 2: I've been dealing with this my whole thirty three years
Speaker 2: on this planet. I get throats all the time. Don't
Speaker 2: talk down to me.
Speaker 1: I don't you dare, I don't know. I don't think
Speaker 1: of you as like my girl who gets a sore throat.
Speaker 1: But I keep it from you because I don't want
Speaker 1: to burden you with my pain.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And you know I'll internalize that right away, my mepathetic soul.
Speaker 2: You are such It's like when I saw.
Speaker 1: That America for a performance, I was bowling. Uh well,
Speaker 1: I first I want to say that you removing your
Speaker 1: tonsils should be a last resort, honey.
Speaker 2: But I think we've gone through all the resorts and
Speaker 2: we are reaching the last one.
Speaker 1: Honey white load of season fifteen.
Speaker 2: Castle it already Becha ramos Or, our producer, says ob
Speaker 2: personally worried about that at changing my voice. I looked
Speaker 2: it up that happens more in children who get the procedure.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is true, but also I would say that
Speaker 1: the recovery for a ton sel ectomy as an adult
Speaker 1: is insane. Yeah, I've heard, I've heard worst pain of
Speaker 1: your life, our words that have been used.
Speaker 2: Honey, it can't be much worse than the pus on
Speaker 2: the Damn Throbbers.
Speaker 1: Now, you hate to hear pus. It's actually realer. Coach
Speaker 1: at number fifty.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I hate How are you, my sweet?
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. You know. I'm really enjoying getting
Speaker 1: up early, so peek behind the curtain. We've been doing
Speaker 1: the episodes even closer to release nowadays, just because things
Speaker 1: on the calendar, and I've been really enjoying getting up early.
Speaker 1: I've been on my Barris kick. I'm kind of obsessed.
Speaker 1: Now I want to go with my sister when we're
Speaker 1: both in New York. I would love that. I would
Speaker 1: love that. Matt, we've never really exercised together.
Speaker 2: You've come to a couple of soul cycle classes back
Speaker 2: in the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you'd think that we're besties. For well, besties,
Speaker 1: I never used that term. You are my best friend. Sure.
Speaker 1: A decade and a half, we've probably exercised together, like,
Speaker 1: done physical exercise together like less than five times, less.
Speaker 2: Than Well, it's a lifestyle change. It's a lifestyle change.
Speaker 1: It's a lifestyle change because we really are sloppy babby girls.
Speaker 1: We really are those girls eating pizza on the couch.
Speaker 2: But something about this year, we're almost into February. I
Speaker 2: have not kept up good practices for this long. Oh right,
Speaker 2: Like I'm still on my meal prep grind, even though
Speaker 2: that's so annoying. But can we remove the stigma on
Speaker 2: around meal prep.
Speaker 1: I think we can.
Speaker 2: I'm a single, childless gay man. Yeah, I have decisions toge. Yes,
Speaker 2: you were mouthing it, and I read your lips. I
Speaker 2: feel like it's fine. I'm just cooking for myself and
Speaker 2: it's actually quite lovely, and I'm eating nutritious meals. I'm
Speaker 2: eating broccoli like never before. I mean, I too have
Speaker 2: been consuming a lot of propoly. I just think, you
Speaker 2: know what it is. It's that thing of like I
Speaker 2: think what.
Speaker 1: I was good at this year in terms of resolutions
Speaker 1: is I didn't make that many. And also I'm not
Speaker 1: saying like it has to be this and like sticking
Speaker 1: to it out of ten. I'm like, I'd like it
Speaker 1: to be this. And by putting less pressure on myself,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm able to exercise more and also
Speaker 1: able to eat a little bit better just and also
Speaker 1: it can't get more out of control than the second
Speaker 1: half of the year last year for me, so like
Speaker 1: it's easy to regain control. But you know, I just
Speaker 1: feel like I would like to enjoy looking over at
Speaker 1: my sister sweating them up.
Speaker 2: I am a swetter.
Speaker 1: We have also performed together in high intensity situations many times,
Speaker 1: so that sort of replaces exercise.
Speaker 2: We've performed together in high intensity situations. That's true. Now,
Speaker 2: speaking of that, let's just put this out there.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Matt and I would love to do the Traders.
Speaker 1: We want to do it. We want to do it.
Speaker 1: I want to do season three of the Trial.
Speaker 2: Will clear my schedule, I will clear it.
Speaker 1: We'll both do it.
Speaker 2: And I know we're not reality people, We're not reality TV.
Speaker 1: I don't think it matters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because John is literally former Speaker of the House
Speaker 2: of Commons.
Speaker 1: That I mean like Deontae the Quitter, right, Like we'll
Speaker 1: get into that, but like he was a you know,
Speaker 1: former heavyweight champion. Like there's like many people there that
Speaker 1: I think all you have to be is like a
Speaker 1: personality that pops or whatever, and like you have to
Speaker 1: be just someone willing.
Speaker 2: To honey, that is you.
Speaker 1: I was going to say that was you. I think
Speaker 1: they would obviously be very, very thrilled to have you.
Speaker 2: I'm not a personality that pops necessarily. I think I'm very.
Speaker 1: So sillar and I'm not getting into this with you,
Speaker 1: very shy. You are gregarious girl. You are smiling right,
Speaker 1: I'm smiling right.
Speaker 2: We would love to do it's.
Speaker 1: Actually really couching number number fifty nine.
Speaker 2: Boa Yang is a gear darious girl.
Speaker 1: He is smiling right. Would you want to be a
Speaker 1: faith for a trader?
Speaker 2: We discussed this yesterday with our friends. I think with Sudi,
Speaker 2: I would prefer to be a faithful and what about you?
Speaker 2: I know the answer, But.
Speaker 1: Can I just say I feel very patronized and dragged
Speaker 1: by the last culturist this readers, Katie's publicists and finalists,
Speaker 1: because I feel like they don't have faith in me
Speaker 1: that I would be a good trader. And I know
Speaker 1: that because they say, like a lot of people are
Speaker 1: like no, okay. So here's some peak pine the curtain.
Speaker 1: During the pandemic, I played an online version of Survivor. Yes,
Speaker 1: real Katie's and readers that et cetera know that I
Speaker 1: played something called Survivor Quarantine. During the quarantine, yes, and
Speaker 1: I went too hard and made the merge, but was
Speaker 1: voted out immediately in the merge just because I was
Speaker 1: essentially the villain of the game.
Speaker 2: Are you learn something from that?
Speaker 1: I do think I've learned something and picked up some
Speaker 1: skills from that, and I think that I would be
Speaker 1: a better trader than people give me credit for. I
Speaker 1: really do.
Speaker 2: I agree. I must agree Matt is very much a
Speaker 2: poverty in the sense that he talks to you and
Speaker 2: you feel like he's flirting. And I mean that with
Speaker 2: utmost respect that you and part are cut from the
Speaker 2: same cloth.
Speaker 1: I'm very perceptive, okay, And I think that the thing
Speaker 1: about me at breakfast is I'm always so excited to
Speaker 1: see everyone so uh huh. You would never be able
Speaker 1: to tell, like when people come in and breakfast like
Speaker 1: and it didn't look like oh like. I just think
Speaker 1: that I'll be able to channel my Matt rogersishness huh
Speaker 1: into being a good trader. And I do think you'd
Speaker 1: be a wonderful, faithful because I think that you have
Speaker 1: a force of personality where people would want to engage
Speaker 1: in your opinions.
Speaker 2: I would have a target on my bath. I would
Speaker 2: be killed pretty early on.
Speaker 1: I think I don't think you would be killed. I
Speaker 1: think that other idiot faithfuls might try to banish you,
Speaker 1: but they are.
Speaker 2: Fools, because my flaw would be that I and again,
Speaker 2: am somewhat somewhat quiet. I can be a little quiet,
Speaker 2: bowen just a little, and that would, as we've seen
Speaker 2: in these last in the various iterations of the show,
Speaker 2: that becomes a red flag at some point in the
Speaker 2: minds of the players. But I do think I would
Speaker 2: perceive and pick up on things like I do think
Speaker 2: this is probably unfair to say, but like some of
Speaker 2: these people are really really off. These faithfuls on these
Speaker 2: shows are off.
Speaker 1: So they really are, yes, And it makes me feel
Speaker 1: a little crazy because I'm watching it and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: so obviously they are not in the position that you
Speaker 1: are in the viewer, which is edited television show where
Speaker 1: you know and can say like, oh, look at her,
Speaker 1: she's being obvious, Oh look at her, she's dumb, da da.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's not that.
Speaker 2: Easy, right.
Speaker 1: But I do think that one thing that people are
Speaker 1: forgetting about this particular cast is, of course they weren't
Speaker 1: going to like brush up on the other franchises. These
Speaker 1: people are collectively all on the narcissism scale pretty close
Speaker 1: to Tim, just not well.
Speaker 2: That's why it's a shame that Peppermint got voted out
Speaker 2: so early, because I think Peppermint was really a purveyor
Speaker 2: of all their shows, like she knew everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she might have been on the on
Speaker 1: the spectrum of too far that way though, because like
Speaker 1: her personality was really like big, and obviously the way
Speaker 1: that she was voted out was I don't think totally
Speaker 1: above board, but I do think it was a matter
Speaker 1: of time because the thing about Peppermin is like she
Speaker 1: can't really blend in because like she's coming in hot
Speaker 1: with her opinions and how she is a star. She's
Speaker 1: got a big personality, and that's.
Speaker 2: Been most people, right, you know.
Speaker 1: I did DM a little bit with Parverty Shallow, Yes,
Speaker 1: who is a former. By the way, if you're new
Speaker 1: to the podcast, Poverty's been on the podcast, and it's
Speaker 1: an episode called Virus Family. This is initially when we
Speaker 1: were very obsessed with her because of her Survivor tenure.
Speaker 1: She came on and I DM with her. She is
Speaker 1: down to come back. So at some point, like either
Speaker 1: when she's voted out or when the season is over,
Speaker 1: hopefully at the end when she wins, you know she'll
Speaker 1: come back. But just look forward to that. Maybe we'll
Speaker 1: try somehow to get that to be an in person episode.
Speaker 1: I would love that. Yes, But she said this was
Speaker 1: my first experience with the Housewives and it was wild
Speaker 1: and all caps wild, and I was like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of crazy to watch their insane social tactics at
Speaker 1: play here, and it feels like these gamers have kind
Speaker 1: of met their match with the housewives because there's no
Speaker 1: way to plan for.
Speaker 2: Chaos right or for brutal honesty.
Speaker 1: I don't think Phedra coming for poverty is necessarily in
Speaker 1: Parvity's playbook.
Speaker 2: Well it might be the editing, but they cut to
Speaker 2: Dan and Parvity in that moment where we're Phedra rightfully
Speaker 2: is like, don't do that. I'm playing very fair with y'all.
Speaker 2: And then just the kicker, which is her, which is
Speaker 2: her saying both of you like delicious of you, both
Speaker 2: of you. Neither of them are used to like to poverty.
Speaker 2: Parverty party.
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks you're a trailer, don't do that Poverty.
Speaker 2: That was not cool, Parvert.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was definitely an epic moment in television,
Speaker 1: and as I was sitting here watching it, I kind
Speaker 1: of thought, Okay, so for Faedra, her game is one
Speaker 1: I need to blend in and now that's kind of
Speaker 1: not possible. That being said, I do think that Parverty
Speaker 1: casting aspersion on the Housewives doesn't make me think of
Speaker 1: Faedra as much as it makes me think of Larsa,
Speaker 1: who she was targeting, and Tamra, who's a lot more vocal.
Speaker 1: So I get why Faedra's upset because her method of
Speaker 1: madness here is a little threatened. But I do think
Speaker 1: she is big dogging them more as a threat for ongoing.
Speaker 1: Then she is like pissed off in the moment because
Speaker 1: it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 2: No, but it does seem apparent in these episodes, in
Speaker 2: these four episodes so far, that Dan and Poverty are
Speaker 2: pairing off in ways that leave out Faedra.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they want her.
Speaker 2: Out, and that's It's interesting that this moment happened because
Speaker 2: I wonder how they respond to this. Either they go
Speaker 2: they go, well, then we got to sacrifice Phaedra or
Speaker 2: if they if they fucking fly right with her.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there's two ways they can go. One
Speaker 1: is they can defer to her right now in the turret,
Speaker 1: say Fedra, we're sorry, murder who you want to murder?
Speaker 1: It's now your turn to steer the ship and try
Speaker 1: to make her feel like she's back on board with
Speaker 1: them and allow that to be their path forward for
Speaker 1: eliminating her, because they do want to do that. I'm
Speaker 1: I mean, they've said it like Phaedra's upset actually justifiably
Speaker 1: because they do want her out. They do want to
Speaker 1: throw a bone to the faithfulls and like they want
Speaker 1: that to be Fedra great strategy, right, Or they can
Speaker 1: go full destruction mode and turn it on her directly
Speaker 1: and be like, okay, find every every person for themselves
Speaker 1: if you're going to act like this, And then at
Speaker 1: the roundtable, Parvety can literally turn to Fedra and be like,
Speaker 1: why were you acting so defensive when.
Speaker 2: I said that? Wait to say that.
Speaker 1: Can throw its space and be like, at the last roundtable,
Speaker 1: you were extremely defensive and even use my name when
Speaker 1: I even threw out there that a housewife could be
Speaker 1: a trader.
Speaker 2: Why right?
Speaker 1: Faed's response to that. I mean, I think Faedra could
Speaker 1: absolutely flame Parverty too.
Speaker 2: Right, She's very capable.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be very interesting.
Speaker 2: Has ruined people's lives, That's what we must remember, too.
Speaker 1: Has anyone like if you do a deep dive on Faedra,
Speaker 1: it's like she was Bobby Brown's lawyer. She was married
Speaker 1: to a felon. Her ex husband went to jail for
Speaker 1: what Jenshaw went to jail for. Right, right, She's a
Speaker 1: certainly questionable moral character when you look at how she's
Speaker 1: not on Real Housewives of a Landa anymore, which is
Speaker 1: that she created a rape allegation against Candy based on nothing,
Speaker 1: where she alleged that Candy Burriss and her husband Todd
Speaker 1: Tucker tried to drug and rape Porsche Williams and it
Speaker 1: resulted in one of the most insane reunions of Housewife's history,
Speaker 1: and Faedra was fired.
Speaker 2: This is season nine, by the way, for people see
Speaker 2: she's a trader. Yeah, I think this is the best
Speaker 2: of television. This is the best that television can be.
Speaker 1: The show I'm I wake up, I think about it.
Speaker 1: I feel like that Sondheim song I'm losing my mom
Speaker 1: to me with the traders. You know who I think
Speaker 1: is getting the winners edit?
Speaker 2: Who Sandra?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting, she is getting the TV edit of
Speaker 1: a reality show winner. That's very interesting that you say that,
Speaker 1: because there are moments where there is a comedy to her,
Speaker 1: and there always has been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is not to say that we don't
Speaker 2: take any of her like we don't take her seriously.
Speaker 2: She's a legend, but it's like between like the wound
Speaker 2: on her forehead. She's a mafiosa, and she's a mafiosa
Speaker 2: and she can absolutely walk away with us and lead
Speaker 2: the faithful to victory. I will say I still think
Speaker 2: Dan is not the player he thinks he is, not
Speaker 2: the skilled player he thinks he is. I really do.
Speaker 1: I think he has gone up and.
Speaker 2: His name's been brought up. Yeah, his name's been brought up.
Speaker 1: His name has been brought up. I do think he's
Speaker 1: gone up in the power rankings. For me, as opposed
Speaker 1: to the first three episodes, I agree with you he
Speaker 1: didn't play well. Then. I think the fact that, like
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say, the fact that Larsa can march
Speaker 1: those housewives over to the board and say let's look
Speaker 1: at the board and say we need to vote out
Speaker 1: to someone out, point to Dan, someone who's she's literally
Speaker 1: voted for before and targeted before and still went for
Speaker 1: CT instead means that Dan is positioning himself with shields well,
Speaker 1: and I think that he also has two shields in
Speaker 1: the trader's turret, which especially now, they're going to be
Speaker 1: way bigger targets than him, Like the conversation is not
Speaker 1: going to be on him moving forward, at least I
Speaker 1: don't think for the next couple episodes.
Speaker 2: Shields don't protect you from banishment though.
Speaker 1: No, what I'm saying is human shields. What I'm saying
Speaker 1: is other competitors using them as shields, like right, right,
Speaker 1: like what they call it in Survivor they call it
Speaker 1: a meat shield, like when you have a when you
Speaker 1: have a someone else in front of you to take
Speaker 1: the bullet. But just to speak about who I think
Speaker 1: is going to win, I still think that's Sandra, because
Speaker 1: I think that maybe this is from me watching so
Speaker 1: much reality television. But from the first episode they have
Speaker 1: made sure she's in the narrative. She always gets shown,
Speaker 1: you always know her opinion. They've set up the poverty
Speaker 1: versus Sandra thing. They seem to mention every fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: that Sandra is a stone cold killer. They show Sandra
Speaker 1: flipping the votes against Larsa. They show Sandra ingratiating herself
Speaker 1: with the housewives then flipping the very smart, very smart.
Speaker 1: She also was a viable trader to be recruited. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like, if you actually watch it as something,
Speaker 1: and it's like a rule of reality television where if
Speaker 1: you go back to the first episode in binch it
Speaker 1: you need to be able to see the winner's arc.
Speaker 1: Sure that is only really there with a few people,
Speaker 1: which are all the current Traders Sandra, and I would
Speaker 1: argue Janelle. Yes, And I also think they're setting Peter
Speaker 1: up for something.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. Hmmm. I have really mainlined you can.
Speaker 1: What are your all your thoughts and feelings about UK
Speaker 1: UK Traders is also out on Peacock Everybody, and it's
Speaker 1: a really good watch.
Speaker 2: It's really good, very different, very different. I there's something
Speaker 2: appealing about it being all quote unquote enormies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they cast it really well.
Speaker 2: The half and half of season one us just didn't
Speaker 2: really work. But no, they know that now and I
Speaker 2: think it is an incredibly emotional game.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they incredibly am What episode are you one
Speaker 1: of UK season two?
Speaker 2: I started episode six?
Speaker 1: Okay, great, So what are your thoughts about Claudia.
Speaker 2: We're dressing up as for Halloween. That's a really good
Speaker 2: We're getting a giant cow necked sweater, a dark wig,
Speaker 2: a dark curtain, banged wig, and and deep heavy makeup.
Speaker 1: The best idea I've ever heard, because now in Halloween
Speaker 1: you could just enter a room being like the trades
Speaker 1: just have struck again.
Speaker 2: The traitors have struck again. What's a tragedy.
Speaker 1: There's a tragic, tragic tale and it's the one you're
Speaker 1: living right now.
Speaker 2: How could you allow this to happen?
Speaker 1: And the traits will strike again tonight? Sleep? Well, she's
Speaker 1: very good at outlining the game, whereas Alan is so
Speaker 1: reveling in the camp of it all. She is very
Speaker 1: She dropped him serious direct and dropped in and clear
Speaker 1: as day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with these people, it's.
Speaker 1: Really fun because Alan, coming in the US version, is
Speaker 1: giving like this like camp drama flair, Like he's almost
Speaker 1: like he's like I can't believe I'm doing this a
Speaker 1: little bit, whereas like Claudia in the UK is like
Speaker 1: I am dead serious about this, and she even refers
Speaker 1: to them as my traits is my faithful She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm rooting for you, but like I
Speaker 1: just I'm so disappointed when you fail and so uplifted
Speaker 1: when you succeed, Whereas in the Australian version, the guy
Speaker 1: is very like hot and smarmy and cheeky, almost like
Speaker 1: James Bond. He's giving, like his name is Roger.
Speaker 2: The first episode, yeah yeah, he's good.
Speaker 1: And that season is really good too. They cast some
Speaker 1: looney birds.
Speaker 2: It's Australia. Yeah, I love to my birth country, but
Speaker 2: you know, it's a bunch of looney birds. I apparently
Speaker 2: Claudia Winkleman is very funny, funny girl. She goes on
Speaker 2: these podcasts, she does interviews where she is like cutting up.
Speaker 1: I mean she has big fans in us.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we're new to Claudia Winkleman. We can't wait to
Speaker 2: see more.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy you finally watching that season because I
Speaker 1: enjoyed it like probably eight months ago and it was
Speaker 1: it was late. I just think the traders in general,
Speaker 1: what a home run, What a win.
Speaker 2: For the world, the audience, the world. I mean, how
Speaker 2: many of there are many countries. I know there's Belgium.
Speaker 2: I know it's like bigger or as big as drag Race.
Speaker 2: I feel like in terms of the international friend.
Speaker 1: It's definitely got international presence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, clearly, how many Traders shows are
Speaker 2: there in countries? Twenty countries in territory? Oh wow, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: that's crazy.
Speaker 1: And it did just win the Casting Emmy. I think
Speaker 1: that this will be nominated for the Emmys. I think
Speaker 1: this is a cultural phenomenon. By the way, it showed
Speaker 1: last night on NBC after America's Got Talent, So clearly
Speaker 1: it's big enough where it's not even one of those
Speaker 1: things where Peacock is like, oh, yet's throw this on Bravo.
Speaker 1: It's like on NBC. So pretty cool.
Speaker 2: It's giving flag chat, happy.
Speaker 1: For Allen, happy for everyone involved. Yeah, happy for.
Speaker 2: The traits as the Traits has.
Speaker 1: So speaking of winning and losing Traders, let's touch on
Speaker 1: these OSCAR nominations. So the leader, no surprise, was Oppenheimer.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. What are the upstats? Greta?
Speaker 1: You know, I have to say, I'm so bored of
Speaker 1: this conversation about Greta kind of girling because Greta No
Speaker 1: I disappointing every blonde, every blonde and in the United
Speaker 1: States is like, what was I made for today? They're
Speaker 1: just they're having a hard time. I just think, you know,
Speaker 1: she made a movie that was bold and you know,
Speaker 1: did something really new and was so funny and so
Speaker 1: culturally important and made over a billion dollars like and
Speaker 1: for her to miss out on the director nomination again
Speaker 1: feels like it's just a disappointing, boring conversation to keep having.
Speaker 1: She's obviously one of the most consequential filmmakers out there
Speaker 1: right now. That being said, I don't know who I
Speaker 1: kick out of that director lineup. I'm thrilled for Justine Trier.
Speaker 1: I love Anatomy of a Fall. It's just unfortunate. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Actress to actor, very competitive actor, actor, very happy for Coleman,
Speaker 2: thrilled and supporting actress bumped me out and supporting actor
Speaker 2: kind of confounded me. Look, that's all I'll say.
Speaker 1: I feel that Charles Melton snub is you didn't nominate
Speaker 1: the best Supporting performance of that category. I also, I
Speaker 1: would say the same about Rachel Best Supporting an Actress.
Speaker 1: I would say I miss Rachel mcadam's there. I miss
Speaker 1: Julian Moore there. I mean like I think we I
Speaker 1: don't know actors, That's what I would say, and like
Speaker 1: it's can I just say I'm a big America fererra fan.
Speaker 1: I really like America Fererra I always have. I just
Speaker 1: don't think it's an Oscar worthy performance, especially when there
Speaker 1: were so many performances that were up there for me
Speaker 1: in terms of like really really challenging, great stuff, and
Speaker 1: feels like she got nominated for that monologue, which you
Speaker 1: took care of in the screenplay nomination. I just think
Speaker 1: it's disappointing to see Greta Gerwig and Margot Robbie not
Speaker 1: be nominated in director and actress when I don't think
Speaker 1: those were easy things to pull off. And clearly the
Speaker 1: movie was beloved in other areas, but it actually didn't
Speaker 1: do as well overall as I thought it would.
Speaker 2: Barbie, Yeah, surprising, Or you're saying you're bored of the
Speaker 2: entire conversation around the film.
Speaker 1: No, not that. I'm just this thing with Greta Gerwig
Speaker 1: missing for director is boring to me because it's just
Speaker 1: like we're still having this conversation, like she deserves to
Speaker 1: be nominated for this movie. I don't know who misses
Speaker 1: out again, Like, I don't know you could.
Speaker 2: Have seen a snub coming based on precursors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a sneaking submission. Submission. I had a sneak.
Speaker 1: Sneaking submission is titled me when people Think I'm a
Speaker 1: top Oh No, I don't know. I had a suspicion
Speaker 1: just because they've they've bumped her from that category before.
Speaker 1: I was just disappointed, right, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like because I think her efforts merit. You know, a
Speaker 1: nomination there, the Sterling K. Brown nomination, and.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: It just really doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2: Was Greta's director nomination for Ladybird? For Ladybird, not Little Women?
Speaker 2: I see? Yeah, I would have loved Charles to have
Speaker 2: gotten in there, that's all. Yeah, and Natalie and Julie
Speaker 2: and I really think those were really compelling performances.
Speaker 1: Actors really said this year going the easy route, like
Speaker 1: and even this Innette Banning nomination, She's not gonna win people,
Speaker 1: It's like, and also I don't believe that that performance
Speaker 1: looking back is going to be like Oh yeah, wow.
Speaker 1: Remember twenty twenty three. Remember Niad, No no one remembers Niad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jody and America in supporting is tough for me.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just I just.
Speaker 1: You know, it's nothing against again. I fucking love Jodie Foster,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like America Ferrera, I love
Speaker 1: them all. It's just when you're looking at it, it's like,
Speaker 1: what exactly what are we doing here? Just people I
Speaker 1: would love to have seen. There's just countless count I mean,
Speaker 1: even Taraji in color.
Speaker 2: Purple, Taraji, Rachel McAdams, Yeah, Julianne. The actress categories were
Speaker 2: incredibly competitive, as usual. I don't know, it's just this
Speaker 2: was this was a really packed here for the girls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there was, there was great things. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm thrown for an Anatomy of a Fall. I love
Speaker 1: that Sondra Huler was nominated.
Speaker 2: Yes, love that.
Speaker 1: I mean I also think that script is so amazing
Speaker 1: and her performance is great, and you know, it's we'll
Speaker 1: see it just feels like it's locked up a little
Speaker 1: bit too, you know what I mean, Like if I
Speaker 1: had to predict, Enjoy Randolph is winning feels like Robert
Speaker 1: Junior is winning.
Speaker 2: Feels like Killian is winning, or Ki and Paul Killian
Speaker 2: and Paul is very interesting.
Speaker 1: That's a race. I would say, that's a race. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would vote for Paul Giamati.
Speaker 2: I really loved Paul, and then Emma's is locked for
Speaker 2: for actress.
Speaker 1: It feels like Emma and Lily.
Speaker 2: Right, that's a race. That's a good race.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's some races for sure. I think Oppenheimer
Speaker 1: will win best Pitch. I think it'll end up feeling
Speaker 1: more anti climactic. Yes, then we thought, or it could have.
Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately Oppenheimer is sweeping the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Poor Things getting coming in second with the
Speaker 2: number of noums is pretty cool to me. I really
Speaker 2: Poor Things my favorite. As you all know, I am
Speaker 2: excited to watch Oppenheimer soon to completion. I still have not.
Speaker 2: As you know, Matt and I did leave the theater.
Speaker 1: Yes, we just because we were like, we get it,
Speaker 1: we get it, so we kind of. I haven't even
Speaker 1: seen when allegedly Emily Blunt and Robert Downey Junior's performances
Speaker 1: get good, you know what I mean? All year, I've
Speaker 1: been like, oh, I've been waiting for years for Emily
Speaker 1: Blunt to get an Oscar nomination for years and now
Speaker 1: she gets one, and I'm like, oh, but like I
Speaker 1: didn't make it to the part or the movie where
Speaker 1: apparently she was good. Same with Robert Downey Junior. And also,
Speaker 1: you know what, they're both icons. And I'm not mad
Speaker 1: at anyone's nomination. I'm happy for everyone. I'm just bummed
Speaker 1: for people that got left off.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Same, there are a lot of snubs. There are
Speaker 2: more snubs than I thought there would be.
Speaker 1: I was wondering lest night. I was like, is this
Speaker 1: going to be a straightforward morning or a chaotic morning?
Speaker 2: I think it was pretty chaotic.
Speaker 1: It was chaotic a lot of times, like things will
Speaker 1: pop up and I'd be like, whoa, huh, We're going
Speaker 1: for it this morning, aren't we.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can't stand Maestro. I can't stand that movie. And
Speaker 1: I really feel like we're so lazy and boring forgiving
Speaker 1: it as much as we gave it. Like it's just
Speaker 1: who loves that movie? You loved Maestro? Reach out.
Speaker 2: I just want to talk, just talk to Matt because
Speaker 2: that was another one that I haven't sat through. I'm bad.
Speaker 2: I'm bad. I'd rather watched the traders every time.
Speaker 1: It's one hundred percent understandable. Did you watch Salt Lake?
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: Let's touch on it.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Monica thing is it made my head
Speaker 2: spin the number of times she contradicted herself within seconds
Speaker 2: or on a larger scale, never once took accountability for anything,
Speaker 2: even with like the admission quote unquote of her being
Speaker 2: one of the people who was involved in Rihanny Avante's
Speaker 2: it's still extremely There's no purchase there, there's no grip there,
Speaker 2: there's no like it's slippery. She makes it slippery on purpose,
Speaker 2: and she like lies on herself within sentences. She's very
Speaker 2: emotionally stunted. She's she's an unwe person. I don't think
Speaker 2: she should come back, but I have it on too
Speaker 2: it authority that she will. I don't know if I
Speaker 2: will like the next season if it, if it's as
Speaker 2: nasty and ugly as this reunion was, And that's my
Speaker 2: main thought. And the Heather stuff was interesting too, and
Speaker 2: the way that Andy kind of took her to task
Speaker 2: in a way that was respectful but ultimately valid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was in trouble. Yeah, I mean he really
Speaker 1: held her feet to the fire for that and for
Speaker 1: good reason, because, to be honest with you, I had
Speaker 1: never even thought about what.
Speaker 2: She was insinuating about production.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and here's what I'll say. I want to come
Speaker 1: at this with some sympathy and empathy for Monica because
Speaker 1: I believe she acts like a fourteen year old because
Speaker 1: she's stuck there. I have a lot of sympathy for
Speaker 1: what her mother treats her like. I mean, like that
Speaker 1: that seems like such a toxic, terrible atmosphere. She's obviously
Speaker 1: not got a relationship with any paternal figure. She's a
Speaker 1: divorced woman, you know what I mean. I think that
Speaker 1: she probably did want to improve her station in life,
Speaker 1: and I think she probably was abused by Genshaw. And
Speaker 1: I actually think that at the end of the reunion,
Speaker 1: her place on this cast, to me, is more uncertain
Speaker 1: than I thought it was, because I would have thought
Speaker 1: she's done now. I actually think if Heather can somehow
Speaker 1: get over this and Monica can stop being so defensive,
Speaker 1: they actually have a place to start, which is that
Speaker 1: they were both abused by this person.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought the allegations were one thing, and then the
Speaker 1: explanation of what really happened with Genshaw and the black guy.
Speaker 1: You know, I understand why she was scared. I do
Speaker 1: think that Genshaw is a scary person. I thought she
Speaker 1: was scary just to watch imagine being with her and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the way she would just pop off and get in
Speaker 1: people's faces, the look she would get in her eye.
Speaker 1: And what I really resent is that whenever she was
Speaker 1: called out for that, she always made it about like,
Speaker 1: you can't say that about brown and black women. And
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm sorry, but that is so disgusting of
Speaker 1: you to hide behind that. Meanwhile, you are someone who
Speaker 1: is physically violent and dangerous in your activity like that
Speaker 1: is so that's like a very real thing that black
Speaker 1: and brown women and women of color have to deal with,
Speaker 1: and you weaponize that to shut people down so that
Speaker 1: they would continue to fear you. And I just think
Speaker 1: that's disgusting. I think she's obviously a disgusting person inside
Speaker 1: and out. And at the end of the reunion, when
Speaker 1: they were all like holding each other and crying, and
Speaker 1: Andy said, can we all just really realize the fact
Speaker 1: that this person was like an asteroid?
Speaker 2: We're still cleaning up her mess, That's what he said.
Speaker 2: We're still keeping up And then.
Speaker 1: I thought it was powerful when Heather addressed her yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I think ultimately when
Speaker 1: the rest of the women came to her defense and said,
Speaker 1: I understand why Heather did what she did. I understand,
Speaker 1: you know, you do see why this show ultimately has
Speaker 1: ended up being a great show, which is that there is
Speaker 1: that sisterhood there and that understanding. And I also believe
Speaker 1: that we're actually able to get with this franchise to
Speaker 1: an emotional truth.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like, ultimately, at the end of the season, which
Speaker 1: was one of the best seasons, we're able to really
Speaker 1: start talking about like something real about.
Speaker 2: The things that bring women like this together, right, which
Speaker 2: is honestly, the comparison has been made. It's big little lies.
Speaker 2: It's like someone who has abused and caused tremendous pain
Speaker 2: on multiple levels. It's so funny, like Genshaw is the
Speaker 2: what's his face card the end er, not Peter sorry,
Speaker 2: Alexander's stars Guard. I get my stars Guards mixed up.
Speaker 1: You got your Peter stars Guard and your Alexander Scarter.
Speaker 1: Don't even bring Bill Scarsguard into this. They will be
Speaker 1: a scar I thought Monica seemed very defeated at the
Speaker 1: end of the reunion, which I refuse to believe was
Speaker 1: her final act. And I think she'll be back. She'll
Speaker 1: be back because I think that the way they put
Speaker 1: it together, if I had to guess, is that Mary's
Speaker 1: coming back. That's the way for Monica to come back.
Speaker 1: And I think that there will be a Mary Whitney conversation.
Speaker 1: And I think if Monica has a path forward with someone.
Speaker 2: It's Whitney, it's Whitney. Although can I say, I think
Speaker 2: you're totally right, I am personally sort of done with Mary.
Speaker 2: I don't think the entertainment value is sustainable. Brick Ashley
Speaker 2: actually made a great point about this. I think she
Speaker 2: like themed her whole retap on this. It's like Mary
Speaker 2: being that rude and that toxic honestly, not in the
Speaker 2: same way as Jen, but like Mary being cruel, and
Speaker 2: she is cruel. It's not fun to watch anymore, I
Speaker 2: would agree. And the way these women talk to her
Speaker 2: and Andy talks to her, it's like she is in
Speaker 2: an institution.
Speaker 1: I also think people are forgetting a lot about her,
Speaker 1: about Mary, about what she's done, yeah and been like
Speaker 1: on this show, there's a reason why Whitney used the
Speaker 1: word predator about her. I'm not alleging anything. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying there is a reason why, because there was a
Speaker 1: lot wrong with what I saw on that television show
Speaker 1: in regards to Mary's church and the way they treated her.
Speaker 1: Go back and watch the episode where Jenshaw visits Mary
Speaker 1: at the church.
Speaker 2: The power structure of that place is dark.
Speaker 1: Problematic, and for Mary to throw around racism, which you
Speaker 1: know she's entitled to do. But I'm sorry, but I
Speaker 1: seem to remember her speaking in a comical Asian accent
Speaker 1: about Ms Jenny to like, Mary is not above board,
Speaker 1: and she's always been who she's been. Yes, it's sometimes
Speaker 1: funny because it's crazy that she'll just come out and
Speaker 1: call someone in bread and chubby and fat, and she'll
Speaker 1: just say these things like and she seems to get
Speaker 1: away with it because no one seems to know how
Speaker 1: to handle it, and therefore it lands under or it
Speaker 1: gets filtered under comedy ha ha ha. But it is
Speaker 1: just me and I have a feeling that if she
Speaker 1: were on a cast with people who could like actually
Speaker 1: handle her verbally and weren't just in shock, like you know,
Speaker 1: because none of these women can read, none of these
Speaker 1: women can like tear her apart with words like so
Speaker 1: she kind of just gets carte blanche. If she were
Speaker 1: on the cast with someone that could like stand up
Speaker 1: to her for real, we wouldn't be like as entertained
Speaker 1: by it because it would get called out for being
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 2: Right, which is bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So those are my thoughts on Salt Lake And what else?
Speaker 1: Is there? More current events? Or are you diving back
Speaker 1: in time?
Speaker 2: I've started True Detectives. Oh yeah, and it's good so far.
Speaker 2: It's the Jody songs. And then I am randomly starting
Speaker 2: Fargo season two with miss Kirsten and mister Plemmons and
Speaker 2: miss gen Smart and here in Culkin.
Speaker 1: That's apparently a great Kirsten performance.
Speaker 2: It's really good, really good so far. I've never seen it,
Speaker 2: And oh, I want to kind of work my way
Speaker 2: through those seasons because it feels up my alley. And
Speaker 2: I don't know why I never really explored, Okay, should
Speaker 2: we should we go back in time? Should we go
Speaker 2: into the what we've already got into the bowl.
Speaker 1: We've gone into the bowl, and we've chosen a year,
Speaker 1: the year, and it's a year and it's a year
Speaker 1: you guys, And I was saying to Bowen, like, so
Speaker 1: remember how I was like, I don't want to give
Speaker 1: us homework. We did have a little bit of homework.
Speaker 1: I've created a document which has like all the highlights
Speaker 1: of two thousand and nine. And this actually was really
Speaker 1: fun because I think that the culture gods were looking
Speaker 1: down on us when we pick this, because two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine is not only the year that birthed so
Speaker 1: many culturally relevant items and was the beginning of so
Speaker 1: much and you know, also the end of so much,
Speaker 1: but also it was the year that Boone and I
Speaker 1: became friends.
Speaker 2: Big year.
Speaker 1: So for that to come out of the bowl first,
Speaker 1: it's a.
Speaker 2: Huge It's a sign. It was the last thing that
Speaker 2: matter wrote on this document, and it made me very emotional,
Speaker 2: very beautiful. It was the year that you and I
Speaker 2: became friends because it was the year that we were
Speaker 2: both doing comedy at our school. Yeah, we got to
Speaker 2: meet amazing people through it, lifelong friends and no less
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 1: This also was the year I came out of the closet.
Speaker 1: Ooh the year Yeah. I just remember, like I was thinking,
Speaker 1: what's what's two thousand nine what's important about two thosan
Speaker 1: and nine. I was like, oh yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: the year everything changed.
Speaker 2: I would not come out of the closet again until
Speaker 2: the next year, twenty ten, and I will never forget.
Speaker 2: I just blurted it out to my expense in Henry
Speaker 2: Melcher in our apartment.
Speaker 1: You just said, I'm gay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of well, well, we'll get to it
Speaker 2: when we get to twenty ten, whenever we do. But
Speaker 2: it was it was a lovely mo o.
Speaker 1: Yours was twenty ten. Okay, so we have to wait
Speaker 1: for that. We have to wait for Bowen Yang's coming
Speaker 1: out story until twenty ten.
Speaker 2: Talk about you coming out in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: What are the ten poles of that experience for you?
Speaker 1: So I had internal transferred into TISH and I found
Speaker 1: out I was going to get in, So I was
Speaker 1: it was like March or April of two thousand and
Speaker 1: nine when I found out I was going to get
Speaker 1: into TISH because I was in College of Arts and Sciences.
Speaker 1: It was freshman year and I was going to do
Speaker 1: an internal transfer, and a lot was writing on that
Speaker 1: because I was like, you know, for some reason, it's
Speaker 1: like you know before you do anything big, Like coming
Speaker 1: out of the closet, you have like checklists, like I
Speaker 1: want to make sure that I'm able to bet do
Speaker 1: this and do that, and like I was just you know,
Speaker 1: working so hard over time in my brain to make
Speaker 1: sure that the environment was going to be a healthy one.
Speaker 1: Once I had come out, so I had gotten into TISH.
Speaker 1: I remember, like, you know, hitting the streets and listening
Speaker 1: to like all my music and of the time, Like
Speaker 1: I remember listening to Ready by Kelly Clarkson in two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. After I found out, I got into
Speaker 1: TISH and it was like a really nice spring day,
Speaker 1: and I remember I walked around Fourth av like around
Speaker 1: U Haul where my dorm was, and I just like
Speaker 1: took a really long walk and just smiled and like
Speaker 1: was so excited about my future. And I was really
Speaker 1: galvanized about coming out of the closet that summer, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell all my friends, and you know,
Speaker 1: basically I had come back to Long Island to work
Speaker 1: over the summer at a restaurant and I was gonna
Speaker 1: start waiting tables. And that was the first summer I
Speaker 1: had like a relationship. I had like a you know,
Speaker 1: my sexual awakening that summer and started to tell all
Speaker 1: of my friends, and you know, I told my mother
Speaker 1: that Christmas. I didn't tell my dad actually until the
Speaker 1: next year, like my parents were the last to know.
Speaker 1: But that was actually one of the most difficult summers
Speaker 1: of my life because I was like having sex for
Speaker 1: the first time and that was like a whole new
Speaker 1: awakening and that was excited, but also at the same time,
Speaker 1: like having to look my friends from high school like
Speaker 1: in their eye and say I'm gay. That was it
Speaker 1: was like I had a fever every day. You know
Speaker 1: who anyone who's closeted or has been closeted knows what
Speaker 1: that's like to have to come forward with that information.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, so just sitting in this year and looking
Speaker 1: at all the culture of this year, it's all like
Speaker 1: it's not triggering in a bad way. It's just triggering
Speaker 1: in an interesting way, in a very emotional way, because
Speaker 1: all of this stuff has attachment to a very heightened time.
Speaker 2: It's well, all the culture of this year and that
Speaker 2: we'll get into is suffused with your personal experience of
Speaker 2: just like coming out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, one of the things I even put in
Speaker 1: the document was that this year really marked the first
Speaker 1: year of SUPERSTARTO for Taylor stuff, but also Lady Gaga.
Speaker 1: And I remember Lady Gaga when she first came out,
Speaker 1: like I was resistant, I think because of the messaging
Speaker 1: of be the little monster, let your freak flag fly,
Speaker 1: like be gay, like et cetera. Like it's time, like
Speaker 1: Obama being elected and Gaga bursting out and like being
Speaker 1: at NYU. It was all just like it was like
Speaker 1: life was telling me, like it's time to dive in,
Speaker 1: and that is scary, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: like the culture of the time in the ways that
Speaker 1: I'm sure you feel this way, and like I know
Speaker 1: I feel this way. Like it was interacting in a way.
Speaker 2: It was action.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Gaga was out here saying get your dicks out,
Speaker 1: get your well that was twenty ten. That was that
Speaker 1: was she was. She was metaphorically saying get your dick right. Well,
Speaker 1: so was get your dicks out.
Speaker 2: Let's start with Gaga. Sure, So this is so fame
Speaker 2: the fame comes out August. I want to say of
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, I might be getting the month wrong.
Speaker 2: So later latter half of two thousand and eight. Well,
Speaker 2: for context, we'll mention that Fame Monster comes out November
Speaker 2: of two thousand and nine, and I just remember her
Speaker 2: doing her promoting that album in a way that was
Speaker 2: thrilling to me. Where I think this was before Bad
Speaker 2: Romance even came out, but she was just doing interviews
Speaker 2: in a way that she changed up her look in
Speaker 2: a way that like was deeply exciting. She was going
Speaker 2: from this like euro trash adjacent aesthetic of the Fame
Speaker 2: into like, I'm gonna look like Marilyn or I'm gonna like, look,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna really start doing my Madonna drag. And it
Speaker 2: was when she started doing these interviews where she was like,
Speaker 2: you're judgmental that I'm promiscuous of my songs, But if
Speaker 2: I were a guy grabbing my crotch talking about fucking girls,
Speaker 2: you'd call me a rock star. I'm just a rock star.
Speaker 2: That is a huge, huge cultural moment for I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people to hear a pop star who
Speaker 2: was deeply intelligent, deeply studied, deeply aware of like the
Speaker 2: things that have led up to her career and to
Speaker 2: say that to some asshole who was like, your songs
Speaker 2: are about sex, Like what do you like, how do
Speaker 2: you feel about that? She's like, I don't feel anything
Speaker 2: about that. It's not revolutionary. I'm just a rock star.
Speaker 2: That's so powerful to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think people didn't know what to do with her,
Speaker 1: but knew they had to do something with her because
Speaker 1: she was so undeniable. I mean, I will never forget.
Speaker 1: It was like Just Dance came out, and I wasn't
Speaker 1: a huge Just Dance fan. For me, I got poker Face,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, I would have thought that
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga looking the way she looked, because remember when
Speaker 1: she came out, everyone was like, oh, she's ripping off
Speaker 1: Christina Aguilera Bionic. That's so because it was like Christina
Speaker 1: had like a very similar aesthetic with the Bionic era,
Speaker 1: like the keeps getting better of it all and like
Speaker 1: the not myself tonight of it all, Like that was
Speaker 1: sort of gaga ish at a time when Gaga was doing,
Speaker 1: you know, the early days of Gaga the fame, and
Speaker 1: that was they were they were speaking to each other esthetically,
Speaker 1: and then it would become so clear that Gaga was
Speaker 1: her own thing when poker Face came out and it
Speaker 1: was like, you know this like ode to bisexuality and
Speaker 1: like this like a bizarre melody and this weird hook
Speaker 1: and this insane sort of like you know, she was
Speaker 1: hinting at insanity weirdly in her interviews, and everyone was like,
Speaker 1: what does she really look like because this was during
Speaker 1: the era when no one really knew what she looked like.
Speaker 1: And then what really got me speak of Alexander Scarsgard
Speaker 1: again was parazzo, paparazzi, paparazzi. Oh, because I also loved
Speaker 1: love game paparazzi. For me, I was like, oh God,
Speaker 1: something's happening. Something got it and I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: say what you want. But Perez Hilton was all over her.
Speaker 1: He was like, this is the new princess of pa
Speaker 1: mark my words, this is her. And I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, it feels like we're being like forced fed
Speaker 1: her a little bit. And then it was so clear
Speaker 1: like okay, get on board or be lame, and I
Speaker 1: just I remember I decided to be lame because I
Speaker 1: was not ready for it. I've said it on this podcast,
Speaker 1: like if you don't love Gaga, you don't love yourself.
Speaker 1: I did not love myself at that time. I was
Speaker 1: learning too.
Speaker 2: You would just come out. There is a developmental latency
Speaker 2: around reaching that, reaching that sort of place, and I
Speaker 2: think a couple of years later, Gaga comes out with
Speaker 2: these missives about self love that we'll get into. So
Speaker 2: we'll get into another time, but there's Gaga, Nicki Minaj,
Speaker 2: beam Me Up. Scotti comes out in two thousand and
Speaker 2: nine as well. This is a hugely important This is
Speaker 2: a hugely important year. Let's keep going, should we talk about.
Speaker 1: We should also say two thousand and nine and like
Speaker 1: just to speak on this which is essentially a Swifty podcast.
Speaker 1: This was Fearless winning album of the year. This was
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. This was truly the beginning of her superstardom
Speaker 1: because she had been a Country Musical Award winner and
Speaker 1: country music star and now she was legitimately household name status,
Speaker 1: which I think you know also speaks to the Kanye
Speaker 1: West of it all. That was one of the big
Speaker 1: cultural moments of the year. Kanye West storming the stage
Speaker 1: that would have ripple effects for decades, and he was
Speaker 1: also speaking up in protest of Beyonce's loss, which this
Speaker 1: was also a big moment for Beyonce because this was
Speaker 1: really the end of Beyonce as Matthew Knowles sort of
Speaker 1: let's call her like a pop star in the way
Speaker 1: of like you'd always see pop stars like this, you know,
Speaker 1: I Am Sasha Fierras was Beyonce's last like conveyor belt album.
Speaker 1: It was great, but it wasn't like the artistic sensations
Speaker 1: that would come later, like with four, which was point
Speaker 1: with the self title, which et cetera, which you know
Speaker 1: she became. She became Beyonce two point zero or even
Speaker 1: three point zero after I Am Sasha Fierce. But this
Speaker 1: was the year of single, Ladies and Halo, and this
Speaker 1: was Beyonce in that first imperial phase.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm hmmm. Let's say this best selling album, Fearless
Speaker 2: would win Album of the Year at the Grammys. Record
Speaker 2: of the Year, you use Somebody by Kings of Leon,
Speaker 2: the Song of the Year single Ladies put a Ring
Speaker 2: on It, Best New Artist Zach Brown Band, Most Awards
Speaker 2: Beyonce one six at the Grammys. And you said main
Speaker 2: History is the winningest female artist in a night. Does
Speaker 2: she still hold that record?
Speaker 1: I think so, because I think they've also changed it
Speaker 1: so that it would be pretty impossible for an artist
Speaker 1: to win six Awards in a night because this was
Speaker 1: the time where there was, like you know, there was
Speaker 1: like Best Female Pop Vocal and Best Male Pop Vocal,
Speaker 1: whereas now it's Best Solo Pop Vocal. It's like right right,
Speaker 1: They've done a lot of changing with the categories, I
Speaker 1: think because it was so easy for people to win
Speaker 1: so many. Also, I just want to say, in terms
Speaker 1: of you Somebody, do you want to know the first
Speaker 1: time I ever heard the song use Somebody? Was it
Speaker 1: at a hammertatched show? No, it was at Saturday Night Live. Oh,
Speaker 1: I went on the standby line. So we've talked about
Speaker 1: this on the pod. But and this is one thing
Speaker 1: I forgot to say when I talked about this with
Speaker 1: Seth Myers. So show No, it was James Franco and
Speaker 1: Kings of Leon.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: And do you know who I sat next to in
Speaker 1: the audience.
Speaker 2: You've told me before, but this is going to blow
Speaker 2: my mind again.
Speaker 1: Emma Stone. Oh my god, Amma Stone. Was had only
Speaker 1: been in super Bad, and I remember no one read
Speaker 1: recognized her, but I because I loved super Bad and
Speaker 1: I loved Emstone in it. And I'm telling you she
Speaker 1: was sitting next to her boyfriend at the time, Teddy Geiger. Wow.
Speaker 1: So I remember when the taping was over, like everyone
Speaker 1: was getting up and it was so major, and I
Speaker 1: remember you Somebody had come on, and I remember being like, wait,
Speaker 1: that song was kind of great, Like I had never
Speaker 1: heard that, Like I had, I knew Sex on Fire
Speaker 1: by Kings of Leon. So they performed Sex on Fire
Speaker 1: and they name Somebody and I was like, whoa, that
Speaker 1: song is kind of a smash, and then they were
Speaker 1: great and it would go on to win Record of
Speaker 1: the Year, as you just said. But I was sitting
Speaker 1: next to Emistone and I remember at the und when
Speaker 1: everyone was getting up to file out, so many people
Speaker 1: stopped Teddy Geiger for a picture. I think Emmastone might
Speaker 1: have been taking photos for her fans. You know, Teddy
Speaker 1: transitioned and become, you know, more of like a songwriter.
Speaker 1: I think she works with Sewn Mendes a lot now,
Speaker 1: but this was a time they were dating. I sat
Speaker 1: next to them, That's wild and watched Kings of leannperformed
Speaker 1: You Somebody at a show that would change the course
Speaker 1: of my life in terms of what I was pursuing,
Speaker 1: and would ultimately be a show that my best friend
Speaker 1: was the star of and I would also meet him
Speaker 1: that year.
Speaker 2: It just this is and I was.
Speaker 1: Coming out and like all these things, Like just.
Speaker 2: Can I say this segment is already amazing not to
Speaker 2: pat ourselves on the back. I love this so much
Speaker 2: because I mean, we'll get to a point where we
Speaker 2: do a year that like we weren't even born in
Speaker 2: and we won't have this personal connection to it as much.
Speaker 2: But who's this who's to say? I mean, this is
Speaker 2: Emma Stone. By the way, Culture Awards Accolyte fan Well
Speaker 2: should be saying she was almost going to show up
Speaker 2: to last year's ceremony.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were. We actually almost had Emma Stone to
Speaker 1: the Cultural Awards. Talks fell apart at the last minute
Speaker 1: because I believe there was a hair dying situation. I
Speaker 1: think she had just dyed her hair and she was
Speaker 1: concerned about quote unquote looking crazy. But you know, the
Speaker 1: doors open Emma Stone was it.
Speaker 2: Was it black? No, it couldn't have been black.
Speaker 1: It could have been ported she had dyed her hair
Speaker 1: for something, which probably people will find out soon. But
Speaker 1: I think that she was like, it's not really the
Speaker 1: vibe for me to show up in public right now.
Speaker 2: Totally, but she has an open invitation to come at
Speaker 2: any point in the future.
Speaker 1: Whatever she wants. She vibes are good, right, I mean
Speaker 1: like she seems like the legs are great.
Speaker 2: We were like naked on a garbage truck in the cold,
Speaker 2: just like our teeth clattering, chattering, whatever. And then I
Speaker 2: was like we went.
Speaker 1: She toasted SNL for the fifth time, and I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I sat next to her on what had to be
Speaker 1: the first time she had ever seen it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that weird. It's crazy sure that she loves that,
Speaker 2: She's loved her whole life.
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny. I remember her watching it
Speaker 1: and I remember, this is so weird. And maybe I'm
Speaker 1: rewriting history here, but when I was watching it, I
Speaker 1: remember I was having a moment like where I was
Speaker 1: just like, Wow, this is so exciting. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I need to be on this show or want
Speaker 1: to do this show, but there's something about this like
Speaker 1: I need to I need to explore this as a career. Yes,
Speaker 1: I need to pursue this feeling, this energy. And I
Speaker 1: feel like I was, of course like looking over at
Speaker 1: her because I knew who she was and I feel
Speaker 1: like I saw something similar in the way that she
Speaker 1: was should if she comes on this podcast, I would
Speaker 1: love to ask her about that, because I'm sure she
Speaker 1: remembers being there, you know, like and I'm sure it
Speaker 1: was like a moment, because I mean she would go
Speaker 1: on to host the show five times. It was just unreal.
Speaker 1: It's just so crazy.
Speaker 2: This is two thousand and eight, so this is a
Speaker 2: different thing.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, no no no, somebody got us
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, yes, yes, yes, no no that I
Speaker 2: didn't mean to be fastidious about the year. I just
Speaker 2: think that also was when you were seeing Tina and
Speaker 2: Sarah Palin. Yes, and that's going to be relevant as well.
Speaker 1: I mean that night was basically one of the days
Speaker 1: I decided to come out of the closet.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean to be honest, I remember I got home
Speaker 1: from seeing U, S and L and I like sat
Speaker 1: on my bed and I like, oh gosh, what, I
Speaker 1: like cried. I cried because I wanted to get out
Speaker 1: of my situation so bad and I was so unhappy,
Speaker 1: and I was so convinced I could do more. I
Speaker 1: was like, I know I'm better than this. I just
Speaker 1: know I'm better than not speaking to people. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm better than not doing what I'm capable of doing,
Speaker 1: Like I know I can do something, and like seeing
Speaker 1: everyone there like engaged in what they were doing and
Speaker 1: excited and the energy around that, I was just like
Speaker 1: I literally decided in that night. I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to internal transfer into Tish and I'm definitely
Speaker 1: gonna come out of the closet because I can't do
Speaker 1: this anymore. I can't allow myself to be a prisoner
Speaker 1: like I've come so far. My parents are spending so
Speaker 1: much money for me to go to this school. I'm
Speaker 1: going to hide in my room like and even just
Speaker 1: like not make friends and just go to the SNL
Speaker 1: standby line every weekend. I knew that was a crutch.
Speaker 1: It was something I could do to waste a lot
Speaker 1: of time because I love that show so much. But
Speaker 1: I also like wasn't making friends because I was scared,
Speaker 1: because I was scared, Like I mean, and ultimately I would,
Speaker 1: you know, triumph in that and like come out of
Speaker 1: the closet and we all would. But it was hard.
Speaker 1: It was really hard at that time, and I remember
Speaker 1: I sat in my bed cried and I googled the
Speaker 1: person that I respected more than anyone else, and that
Speaker 1: was Amy Poehler. And I saw that she was in
Speaker 1: her improv group in college, and I saw that she
Speaker 1: started something called the UCB and I signed up for
Speaker 1: a class and I said, next year, I'm definitely getting
Speaker 1: into a group. I'm definitely getting into a group at
Speaker 1: my school. I will and I did.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. That's beautiful. And also you that show spurring
Speaker 2: you to come out of the closet and be yeah,
Speaker 2: yourself is amazing because I think Andy Samberg had an
Speaker 2: effect on you both artistically and physically, you know what
Speaker 2: I was thinking. One of the handsomest men in the world.
Speaker 1: I love Andy Samberg. Also, like this was a time
Speaker 1: where the digital chorts were really popping off.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, me, this was this was a era.
Speaker 1: This was a great era of SNL and it changed
Speaker 1: my life. It really did for so many reasons. I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful I went to that and allowed like that
Speaker 1: to change. But anyways, what else Avatar, Avatar.
Speaker 2: Top grossing Film, Avatar, Best Picture, hurt Locker. That was
Speaker 2: an intense year, that was well there, that's the only
Speaker 2: James Cameron Katheryn Biglow like matchup.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that was the showdown of the X's Yes
Speaker 1: and Katherine Bigelow one Best Director, first ever woman to
Speaker 1: win the award. It's apropos on This Morning, presented by
Speaker 1: Barbara Stris say that things things have changed so much.
Speaker 1: I mean claps to Justine Trier, you know. And just
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago we had two women nominated
Speaker 1: for Best Director. So it's amazing. I'm sorry about the
Speaker 1: Greta thing, but like it's great. And it was presented
Speaker 1: by Barbara Streisan, which was a moment. And yeah, the
Speaker 1: hurt Locker won six Oscars, Avatar won three. This was
Speaker 1: also the year of Sandra Bullock's Oscar win, which was
Speaker 1: controversial at the time. I think has held up a
Speaker 1: little bit better, he thinks, so, I think, because she
Speaker 1: has gone on to sleigh so hard. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I remember.
Speaker 1: The Blindside feeling like, okay, we're giving the movie star
Speaker 1: of the Oscar. But then you see gravity. A couple
Speaker 1: of years later, it talked to me like, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like.
Speaker 2: Tell me something, tell me something. Other notable films Inglorious Bastards,
Speaker 2: Precious Up nine, very important movie for You.
Speaker 1: Nine is a movie I saw twice in theaters and
Speaker 1: I felt very seen by Kate Hudson. Absolutely and Fergie
Speaker 1: and the feel around Fergie. By the way, we have
Speaker 1: to this was Fergie's year. Yeah, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is a great year for the Black Eyed Peas. Oh,
Speaker 1: for sure, the Black Eyed Peas were in the culture.
Speaker 2: Yeah. An Education a movie that I took myself to
Speaker 2: see on a day that I had off from school.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna go take myself to a
Speaker 2: movie and my first Carry Mulligan exposure, and I was like, who,
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with this girl.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget one of your most iconic Instagram bios.
Speaker 1: I am as pretty as Kerry Mulligan. Please confirm he's confirm,
Speaker 1: Please confirm.
Speaker 2: The Hangover Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince an
Speaker 2: important installment of the Harry Potter story.
Speaker 1: The death of Dumbledore. No, he does he die in
Speaker 1: Half Blood Prints? Or does he Snape die in Half
Speaker 1: Blood Prints?
Speaker 2: Snape dies at the end of Deathly Hallies? No he doesn't,
Speaker 2: Yeah he does?
Speaker 1: Does he?
Speaker 2: Half Blood Prints is one thousand percent Dumbledore being killed?
Speaker 1: You should say, Okay, you're right, you're right. You're right.
Speaker 1: The way that Bowen Yang is looking at me right now,
Speaker 1: he's saying, I'm not looking at you, just saying, honey,
Speaker 1: you know I read Harry Potter books every now, No
Speaker 1: what come out of the classet as a Harry Potter
Speaker 1: Daily reader, as a Joey Anne Kathleen Apologize Dan, Death
Speaker 1: of Dumbledore, Yes.
Speaker 2: Death of Dumbledore. Okay, let's go back quickly. In music,
Speaker 2: other top selling albums Dreamed a Dream by Susan Boyle.
Speaker 2: Was this the year of Susan Boyle or was that viral?
Speaker 2: I mean that talk about a viral moment? Was that
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight or two thousand night?
Speaker 1: And I think her virality was two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: Her album was two. But does Susan Boyle phenomenon open
Speaker 1: the door for Adele?
Speaker 2: Very No? I mean, I don't think you're wrong.
Speaker 1: Susan Boyle walked so Adele could run. It's actually a
Speaker 1: really coacher number one hundred Susan lost. Meanwhile, nineteen comes
Speaker 1: out in two thousand and eight. Adele being on SNL
Speaker 1: as two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: Shut up, I'm sorry, I'm just saying I think Susan
Speaker 2: Boyle and Adele though are sort of cosmically linked in
Speaker 2: a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are. They should do it. They should do
Speaker 1: a conversation and it should be filmed.
Speaker 2: They should do an Actors on actors, neither of them actors.
Speaker 1: British on Tusay's drinking wine.
Speaker 2: I hope Susan Boyle as well.
Speaker 1: I think she's fine.
Speaker 2: I am Sasha Fears the Fame, Hannah Montana, the movie
Speaker 2: soundtrack and the E n D by Black Eyed Peas.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Black Eyed Peas.
Speaker 1: The Black Eyed Peas had a number one hit on
Speaker 1: the Building. I got one hundred for this year for
Speaker 1: twenty six weeks cumulatively. I got a feeling and it
Speaker 1: was a number one hit for fourteen weeks. Wow Boom
Speaker 1: Boom Pow was a number one hit for twelve twelve weeks.
Speaker 1: Boom Boom Pow, Boom boom How sure? I mean, you're incredulous.
Speaker 1: You find it incredulous that Boom Boom po had such
Speaker 1: a choke hold on the culture. That I will say
Speaker 1: I got a feeling was that song. It was definitely giving,
Speaker 1: Like this is the song we're gonna play for the
Speaker 1: trailer for like Valentine's day. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like I gotta feeling, but I got a feeling.
Speaker 1: Is like the pregame song. It is the pregame song.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that concept kind of for me
Speaker 1: at least.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying. My personal experience two thousand and nine
Speaker 2: was really when I started to embrace the pregame because
Speaker 2: this was call it, this is freshman year of college.
Speaker 2: I was getting I was like drinking with other students
Speaker 2: for the first time. I didn't really do it that
Speaker 2: much in high school. This was a huge cultural and
Speaker 2: personal moment for me.
Speaker 1: And I got to remember the pre game for the
Speaker 1: Violet Ball. Oh my god, well we did a post
Speaker 1: game for the Violotball. We did a pre end post
Speaker 1: game because I remember we This was also right around
Speaker 1: the time when we discovered marijuana and we were like,
Speaker 1: let's smoke and then go to the Violet Ball. The
Speaker 1: Violet Ball was like ny US like yearly social describe it.
Speaker 1: It was like a like a nice prom and that
Speaker 1: wasn't totally real, but it was a social and it
Speaker 1: was at BOP's Library, was it not. It was at Bobs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember. We were all so excited to go to Bobs.
Speaker 1: It was my like second time at Boabs. I remember
Speaker 1: me being like, I remember one of our conversations. Fun
Speaker 1: was like, I've never been to Bobs and you were like,
Speaker 1: I'm at Bobs every day every day. I was at
Speaker 1: Boaks Library every day four years. Yeah, you really worked
Speaker 1: very hard in college, not really, but bo when you
Speaker 1: were about actually every day.
Speaker 2: Actually, no, I did.
Speaker 1: Don't do that to yourself. You worked so hard.
Speaker 2: I was slaying organic chemistry. I was. I was in
Speaker 2: grad classes by my senior year. Yeah, you're so smart whatever.
Speaker 1: And you were at Bots every day. You knew exactly
Speaker 1: where the bathroom was at the Violet Ball from attending
Speaker 1: boats study sessions. Right, I was like, where am I going? Matt?
Speaker 2: Do you want to battle off more of these number
Speaker 2: one hits?
Speaker 1: Sure? Number one hits from the year two thousand and
Speaker 1: nine three by Britney Spears.
Speaker 2: Great song Crack a.
Speaker 1: Bottle by Eminem I don't even know what that is, baby,
Speaker 1: Oh you Downtown, Down, Down, Down, Love down? What says
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine more than this next one? In
Speaker 1: New York? The perfect song about that that doesn't We
Speaker 1: were in New York, Baby, We were in New York
Speaker 1: Grammatically it didn't make sense, but it was an amazing
Speaker 1: so concrete jungle where might be title of app Fireflies
Speaker 1: by Dual City. This was about ten thousand fire flies.
Speaker 1: You know who loved this?
Speaker 2: Taylor Taylor, Oh my god, absolutely just dance Lady Gaga
Speaker 2: three weeks and number one and two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: My Life would Stuck Without You two weeks.
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarson My Life What's Up Without You? Was number
Speaker 1: one hit for two weeks. It broke her own record
Speaker 1: for biggest jump to number one.
Speaker 2: Did you just rattle that off off the top of
Speaker 2: your head, Yes, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: It went from I believe, I believe a moment like this,
Speaker 1: went from ninety seven to number one and then I think,
Speaker 1: my life looks up without you was like number ninety
Speaker 1: eight to number one and like.
Speaker 2: Wow, poker Face being number one for one week is
Speaker 2: shocking to me, but I believe it.
Speaker 1: There are so many songs you think are going to
Speaker 1: be number ones and then you look back and they
Speaker 1: were not, Like, it's kind of shocking. This was also
Speaker 1: the intro to Kesha. She would only start her solo
Speaker 1: career next year, and you know we'll be talking about
Speaker 1: k e Dollar sign ha in twenty ten single Ladies.
Speaker 1: Single Ladies one of the most what you say by
Speaker 1: Jason Derulo ahead of the curve in terms of the
Speaker 1: image and heap effication of pop music. Ab Absolutely, that
Speaker 1: is a really good way to put it, the image
Speaker 1: of heapification of pop music.
Speaker 2: Like we're still in it. Taylor is deep, Deil Taylor
Speaker 2: and Ari are still influenced by Imagen Imagen.
Speaker 1: You can see her image and music a period and
Speaker 1: heaps of music that's really touch Number thirty Imagen. You
Speaker 1: can see her image in heaps of music. That's one
Speaker 1: of my best ever.
Speaker 2: That's one of our best.
Speaker 1: Ever television of the time, Bowen talk about it.
Speaker 2: Emmy for Outstating Drama mad Men for the second consecutive year,
Speaker 2: Emmy for Outstanding Comedy thirty Rock for the third consecutive year,
Speaker 2: and that was like I think that was also the
Speaker 2: fourth season of the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah Shows, No No, No, I think it was the
Speaker 1: third season because I remember they won their first year
Speaker 1: and didn't stop winning. These two shows had a.
Speaker 2: Choke hold, absolutely, and there was a lot of crossover
Speaker 2: between the two as well. Yeah and John Slattery great
Speaker 2: great shows. We love them. Outstanding TV movie, Great Gardens, Wow,
Speaker 2: Drew and.
Speaker 1: Drew and Jessica. Well, I like a moment where this
Speaker 1: was like Drew's first big, like prestige moment. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then it never it didn't contact happen again. But I
Speaker 1: remember Drew was so great in this. It was a
Speaker 1: little eadie. I mean, she like she slayed, she slayed
Speaker 1: and speaking it was the first half it for the day.
Speaker 1: It's my impression of Drew Marry Morris, her impression to
Speaker 1: that crazy lady.
Speaker 2: What was It's my imitation of Drew barrymore impression that
Speaker 2: crazy lady.
Speaker 1: My husband and I answer clue.
Speaker 2: Okay, talk about these premieres, Okay.
Speaker 1: These following shows, which would all be culturally important, began
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine RuPaul's Drag Race, Wow, Late
Speaker 1: Night with Jimmy fallon Glee, Wow, Watch What Happens Live, Wow,
Speaker 1: Modern Family, The Good Wife, and Jersey Shore. Now. RuPaul's
Speaker 1: Drag Race did not have an immediate cultural impact, but
Speaker 1: this was obviously the year that Boebe's a Hard of
Speaker 1: been a one. I just I have to say it
Speaker 1: was also with you that I started watching the show.
Speaker 1: It would be the next year, but I just have
Speaker 1: to say, remember when RuPaul's Drag Race was on Logo
Speaker 1: and it was just lube commercials like about the days, Yes,
Speaker 1: it was miss for queers. Yeah, And it's just so
Speaker 1: interesting like other things on this list too, like these
Speaker 1: things that were so for fag gets, like Lady Gaga
Speaker 1: on RuPaul's Drag Race that would then ultimately become Oscars
Speaker 1: and Emmy's you know what I mean, Like these things
Speaker 1: that were so niche that people did not have any
Speaker 1: clue what to do with years later they would truly
Speaker 1: find out what to do with them until they were
Speaker 1: like literally almost like both those things are like and
Speaker 1: I don't say this in a pejorative but like for moms.
Speaker 2: Now, right, And that's not that's not a pejorative thing.
Speaker 2: It is the usual.
Speaker 1: So for fagus, both are still for fagus, but they're
Speaker 1: also for moms now.
Speaker 2: It's the sort of life cycle of social media as well.
Speaker 2: It's like Facebook is. Facebook starts out cool and for
Speaker 2: the kids until it becomes for moms. And no problem.
Speaker 2: Moms are the ultimate terminus for anything cultural.
Speaker 1: I think, oh in fifteen years when like Tate McCrae
Speaker 1: is for moms, way I can remember this conversation when
Speaker 1: Renee rap is for moms, remember this conversation, and it
Speaker 1: will be beautiful.
Speaker 2: It'll be beautiful. These are shows that entered syndication, as
Speaker 2: in they reached one hundred episodes, Grey's Anatomy, The Hills,
Speaker 2: Laguta Beach, Law and Order SVU, and The Office. Yeah amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean all those things are very indicative of this time.
Speaker 1: An Er ended this year, so this was ER ending
Speaker 1: and Gray's Anatomy sort of being the apex predator, as
Speaker 1: it were. One hospital drama falls another reign supreme, and
Speaker 1: I think Gray's Anatomy has kind of eaten ER.
Speaker 2: Now, well it is, I think they announce at the Emmys.
Speaker 2: It is now in its twentieth season. I think it's
Speaker 2: surpassed Er pretty recently as the longest running medical drama.
Speaker 2: Right yeah. American Idol winners Chris Allen with runner up
Speaker 2: Adam Lambert.
Speaker 1: Wow, this was also a time when American Idol was
Speaker 1: the number one show and it was not close. This
Speaker 1: was still the era of and also not for nothing,
Speaker 1: but Adam Lambert on American Idol was.
Speaker 2: Also a gay moment revelationary.
Speaker 1: I remember he performed Feeling good on American Idol, and
Speaker 1: I remember he wore like a white suit and walked
Speaker 1: his gay ass slowly down a huge staircase, and I
Speaker 1: remember being like, this gay guy is turning up on
Speaker 1: this show and he will not win, but lo and behold.
Speaker 2: But he didn't win, But like, but he did, but
Speaker 2: he has the cultural staying power that like Chris Allen didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that Interestingly? I feel like Chris Allen winning
Speaker 1: American Idol like certainly speaks to the fact that we
Speaker 1: were well, It's like he was definitely talented, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't what Adam Lambert could do.
Speaker 2: But then, like I think before the end of the year,
Speaker 2: Adam Lambert did come out with his album but y'all
Speaker 2: entertain man? Oh yeah, that was a county album, Cunty County.
Speaker 1: What do you want from Me?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Originally for Pink Wow.
Speaker 2: Paula Abdul's stepped down as judge. Her replacement is announced
Speaker 2: as Ellen DeGeneres l Ol that did not go good,
Speaker 2: No eer erited series finale, as we said, Matt TV
Speaker 2: edited series finale. Oprah announced that she will end her
Speaker 2: talk show in twenty eleven. Yeah, okay, very interesting.
Speaker 1: And then obviously like you can't really talk about two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine without talking about two things. And I
Speaker 1: would say that's like death of Michael Jackson. I think
Speaker 1: we all remember where we were, yep, and Obama being
Speaker 1: fucking sworn in, Like the Obama story is more two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, right, Like I just remember that feeling like,
Speaker 1: and it's it's really interesting. We pulled this year out
Speaker 1: for so many reasons because it did feel like when
Speaker 1: he became president, like it was sworn in and that
Speaker 1: you were starting, and it felt like there was so
Speaker 1: much good news about like same sex marriage being embraced
Speaker 1: around the country and him even starting to embrace it,
Speaker 1: and just maybe it was us being at NYU and
Speaker 1: like us like finding our ways out of the closet
Speaker 1: or getting there or being halfway in out whatever. This
Speaker 1: year really felt like there was so much promise and potential,
Speaker 1: even with Gaga, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 1: this new fucking like throwback to David Bowie that's coming out,
Speaker 1: like Obama being elected, like so much culturally encouraging stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I wish I internalized that optimism more because
Speaker 2: I feel like I've really forgotten that the literal emotion
Speaker 2: of that. But well it's.
Speaker 1: Easy to now, of course, remember being optimistic. How sad
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 2: How sad is that? Where were you and Michael Jackson died?
Speaker 1: I was at work? Me too. I was at work.
Speaker 1: I was working at a seafood restaurant on Long Island.
Speaker 1: It was a very interesting time because, like I said,
Speaker 1: I was in a relationship or something that I was
Speaker 1: keeping a secret with someone I worked with and was
Speaker 1: much older than me. And I remember Michael Jackson. I
Speaker 1: found out he died at work. And then also the
Speaker 1: funeral was playing when I was at work, and I
Speaker 1: remember we weren't playing music, we were just playing the
Speaker 1: funeral and we would never do that for anyone else
Speaker 1: With Michael Jackson. Yeah, it was I mean, it was
Speaker 1: the death of Beyond a cultural icon. And this was
Speaker 1: a really interesting time too because everyone was it was
Speaker 1: like worldwide grief. But also there's that weirdness in the
Speaker 1: air about like the fact that he had you know,
Speaker 1: it was like the allegations of him and his predatory
Speaker 1: behavior was really also hanging in there right.
Speaker 2: Well, it was just it was tragedy on top of
Speaker 2: tragedy on top of tragedy between like his upbringing and
Speaker 2: then the way that death transpired in the way and
Speaker 2: like his legacy being very compromised. It was just layers
Speaker 2: of devastation.
Speaker 1: You remember Nicki Minaja's iconic lyric like MJ Doctor the
Speaker 1: killing me.
Speaker 2: Prope a fall, They really hope a fall.
Speaker 1: This also was the year we lost Britney Murphy. Hmm.
Speaker 2: I was about's library when that happened, when I heard,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I know sad for many reasons.
Speaker 1: Sonya sot of my Oars swown in as a subreom
Speaker 1: court justice. She would go on to speak at our
Speaker 1: graduation and then we forget her first words.
Speaker 2: This is awesome, This is awesome. Yeah, it's so good
Speaker 2: to be in the Bronx.
Speaker 1: Sonia Soniah. Yeah. Natasha Richardson passed, so did be Arthur
Speaker 1: and Farah Fawcet. Not a good year for actresses living.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was the vice president. Democrats had a fifty
Speaker 1: nine seat majority in the Senate. We missed that Sarah
Speaker 1: Palin resigned as governor. A political storm.
Speaker 2: At large. I like this section. Read some of these.
Speaker 1: The Walt Disney Company acquires Marvel Entertainment. This at the
Speaker 1: time didn't feel like a big deal because this was
Speaker 1: a time when like DC was sort of slang and
Speaker 1: Marvel was kind of flopped, like no one was checking
Speaker 1: for Marvel. But also Iron Man had just come out,
Speaker 1: and like there was a little bit of a tickle
Speaker 1: in the Marvel idea.
Speaker 2: Well, there was a lot of importance around this at
Speaker 2: the time. Like I remember reading so many pieces on
Speaker 2: like I think it was a Kotaku or like Gker.
Speaker 2: I mean, Gawker is like that is two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: the house doone, the house down, like Gawker. The two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine was a Gawker original Gawker peak. For
Speaker 2: me at least, it was like Richard Lawson writing all
Speaker 2: this stuff. Richard Lawson, I remember that summer of two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine left Goker and wrote his goodbye his
Speaker 2: farewell post through the voice of at the time famous
Speaker 2: New York socialite Tinsley Mortimer. MM.
Speaker 1: Like that was like the level of like that's where
Speaker 1: we were at, well, that's where we were at, And
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, Goker feels like this really
Speaker 1: exciting place like on the Internet, where like people are
Speaker 1: funny and cheeky and these like it just I really
Speaker 1: miss that time the internet specifically, it was like Twitter
Speaker 1: kind of starting out. Oh yeah, this was two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, I members when I became really aware of Twitter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And two thousand and nine was when
Speaker 2: I started my account, I think, and it was just
Speaker 2: a fun, fun place for the most part. I remember
Speaker 2: like Michael Ian Black was like a Twitter celebrity to
Speaker 2: me and he mentioned me one time and it was
Speaker 2: the most stars. It was the closest to fame that
Speaker 2: I had ever felt. It was like Michael Ian Black,
Speaker 2: I acknowledged me on Twitter, Isn't that's so funny?
Speaker 1: I remember thinking Ashton Kutcher created it.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's funny.
Speaker 1: And when he was out talking about it so much,
Speaker 1: Remember Ashton Kutcher and Twitter were like, that wasn't the
Speaker 1: era of Ashton? And to me too, it was like
Speaker 1: what was more synonymous Ashton and to me or Ashton
Speaker 1: and Twitter? You could not tell me.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. It was also Twitter. I think early days
Speaker 2: of Twitter specifically two thousand and nine was I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say a name. She was the Queen of Twitter, Katy Perry.
Speaker 2: She was on it all day every day, just but
Speaker 2: being funny on it like I remember this so well.
Speaker 2: I couldn't stop laughing at this. A Katy Perry one
Speaker 2: time one day tweets I'm fucking walking down the street
Speaker 2: with my ice cream cone, enjoying my day. It was
Speaker 2: pithier than this, but she was like, I'm enjoying my
Speaker 2: day with like walking down the street when a car
Speaker 2: goes by and all the people and it shouted Zoey
Speaker 2: de Chanel, Fuck my life.
Speaker 1: This was this was FML. This was also the peak like,
Speaker 1: this was SML culture. This was FML culture, and where
Speaker 1: that tweet constituted an LOL reaction.
Speaker 2: Right where I was like, oh my god, the internet
Speaker 2: is so funny.
Speaker 1: Also the era of oh my god, Katy Perry and
Speaker 1: zoe de Chanelle looked so much alike. Meanwhile, years later,
Speaker 1: who would star in the video that satirized that concept?
Speaker 1: I would you and me and Dhari and Mitra.
Speaker 2: Happy Birthday, Mitra, Happy birthday, Meet Happy birthday, Queen. We
Speaker 2: love you. Let's see Bernie made Off, pleads guilty and
Speaker 2: the biggest Ponzi scheme in America. The effects of a
Speaker 2: Great Recession are deeply felt in the US. Despite ending
Speaker 2: in June of two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: If you want to understand the recession, watch the movie
Speaker 1: Hustlers starring Jennifer Lopez. That's actually a really culture number
Speaker 1: eighty eight. If you want to understand the Great Recession,
Speaker 1: watch the movie starring Jeffer Lopez.
Speaker 2: Swine flu is a global pandemic, the first covid. I
Speaker 2: had it.
Speaker 1: You had swine flu.
Speaker 2: I had swine flu.
Speaker 1: Okay, can I ask you a question because you know
Speaker 1: what now? I remember you saying this at the time
Speaker 1: and me being like, no, you don't. You doubted me,
Speaker 1: I did. I remember Bowen Yang was saying, I have
Speaker 1: swine flu. I have swine flu. Why the very because
Speaker 1: I believed at the time that you wanted attention.
Speaker 2: That's so toxic.
Speaker 1: It was toxic.
Speaker 2: We weren't close friends at the time.
Speaker 1: I remember being the I think I sold Billy Domino
Speaker 1: like Bowen Yang does not have swine flu. He's lying.
Speaker 2: Nicole Conlin, who we love and currently works at The
Speaker 2: Daily Show, came over to my apartment. God bless her,
Speaker 2: gave me achnatia bourbon and like all the tile and
Speaker 2: all in the world to help me go to sleep
Speaker 2: and bounce back. I will, okay. I never got a diagnosed,
Speaker 2: but I was experiencing.
Speaker 1: No no, no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 1: no indicated no no no no no dashboard confessional singing.
Speaker 1: This is I had deep flu like symptoms during the
Speaker 1: peak of the swine flu pandemic.
Speaker 2: Don't yet, dare mean.
Speaker 1: You had swine flu? Had you gotten a positive.
Speaker 2: That I had swine flu? You are ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It wasn't circulating around where we were, Yes, it was.
Speaker 2: It was a global pandemic.
Speaker 1: Bowen. Don't raise your voice with me. I'll come over
Speaker 1: there a smack.
Speaker 2: I'm not letting anywhere near my apartment. Bann bad.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Matt Rogers band.
Speaker 2: I can't believe we still haven't resolved this. This is crazy.
Speaker 1: I am living that this because I remember this is
Speaker 1: like maybe the third or fourth conflict we ever had.
Speaker 1: Was I remember being like, he does not have.
Speaker 2: Swine flow, you fool. I'm not having this apologize.
Speaker 1: I can I apologize to you. I'm extending my hand
Speaker 1: to you like Sandra did to poverty. I'm sorry, Bowen.
Speaker 2: There was a high likelihood that I had swine flu.
Speaker 1: And what does it matter that I did or did
Speaker 1: I was sick I was very sick for produce. Re
Speaker 1: Becca says she has it too. I think she's a
Speaker 1: liar as well.
Speaker 2: Why do you doubt I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I think you were a liar. Becca. No, Matt, No,
Speaker 1: I got that, She says, Okay, receipts are nothing. Receipts
Speaker 1: prove timeline strange.
Speaker 2: Fuck, that's Terrible's I think I had at the same fever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think the launched in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: so I was an early adopter. See what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: This is the thing. This is what I'm like pointing out.
Speaker 1: It's like this was the floodgates opening for gay people,
Speaker 1: like and it was overwhelming. It was like not only
Speaker 1: being in New York, Gaga, Obama, drag grinder, Adam Lambert,
Speaker 1: Adam Lambert. It's like, oh my God, is gay in?
Speaker 1: Because day was just so out. Two thousand and nine
Speaker 1: really was a big year for gay When you think
Speaker 1: about two thousand and seven and nine, gay was out,
Speaker 1: then gay started to be in. And I was just like,
Speaker 1: hold on a second, let me emotionally catch up here,
Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure you guys just wanted to kill
Speaker 1: me fifteen minutes ago. Do you want me to come
Speaker 1: second on idol, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: I remember one of my first Grinder meetups WHOA was
Speaker 2: when my sister was out of town. I was roommate
Speaker 2: with my sister my freshman year of college health she
Speaker 2: was out of town and a guy I was talking
Speaker 2: to on Grinder was like, I'll come over, and I
Speaker 2: was like, this is my address, and then he comes
Speaker 2: over and I think he sees a picture of Ying
Speaker 2: or something. I don't think she knows this sees the
Speaker 2: picture of Ying and I don't remember his name, but
Speaker 2: he was like, I know your sister.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: She was like, this is too weird. I know Yang.
Speaker 2: We can't hook up. I'm so sorry. And I was
Speaker 2: like really He was like, yeah, this is just you
Speaker 2: sound like her too. It was all this stuff. And
Speaker 2: we were sitting on my couch in that apartment on
Speaker 2: sixth Street and Avenue and I'm talking about and this
Speaker 2: was one of my first Isn't that so funny? My
Speaker 2: first Grinder one of my first meetups at a time
Speaker 2: when gay culture was also very different, where it was
Speaker 2: the time of no fats, no fems, no Asians. It
Speaker 2: was that was a very different the etiquette, the rules
Speaker 2: of engagement on these apps was I mean, not that
Speaker 2: it's gotten that much more orderly, and it's fine, it
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be, but like back then, it was
Speaker 2: the wild wild West.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine you experienced a lot of abuse
Speaker 1: on there.
Speaker 2: One thousand percent and like Asian people really I think
Speaker 2: like took it, took it. It's so wild.
Speaker 1: But that was that was the beginning of Grinder, and
Speaker 1: like it just you learned within and for any gay
Speaker 1: man or for anyone who used that app, m hm,
Speaker 1: you learned pretty quickly what the value system was, m right,
Speaker 1: in a way that like you didn't necessarily understand if
Speaker 1: you went to like a gay bar or if you
Speaker 1: watched like, you know, fucking what's.
Speaker 2: That show like Queer as Folk or something, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like the desirability politics were immediately
Speaker 2: set when Grinder launched.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, we had almost no representation, so that just
Speaker 1: allowed these niche areas where we were communicating to be
Speaker 1: the only way to talk about it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And like, because there was no representation of
Speaker 1: like diverse queerness at the time, it probably did filter
Speaker 1: down to well, if you're not being depicted as attractive
Speaker 1: You're not, you know.
Speaker 2: Like if you're not attractive, then like there isn't really
Speaker 2: a place for you. But I was, you know, you
Speaker 2: want to know something, I was using Craigslist. I was
Speaker 2: using Craigslist to hook up with people. Mm hmm, Like
Speaker 2: this was the time of Craigslist.
Speaker 1: I think you've told me that before. Other friends of
Speaker 1: mine have said the same of ours. I said the
Speaker 1: same thing. So was it just you'd go on Craigslist
Speaker 1: and like respond to a post or would you post?
Speaker 2: I would never post.
Speaker 1: I didn't. No, I did a few times, but like
Speaker 1: it was just really scary to like receive, like anyone
Speaker 1: could reach out to you and send you really jarring things,
Speaker 1: whether or not you wanted it. So I would What
Speaker 1: I would usually do is like respond to people. You
Speaker 1: would trade.
Speaker 2: Pictures over email over like you know, proxy accounts, proxy
Speaker 2: email addresses, and then you would like arrange in the
Speaker 2: meet up. There was just a lot of like it's
Speaker 2: just like Grinder now. It's just like the apps now,
Speaker 2: it's like there's a lot of like setup and like
Speaker 2: Craigslist was kind of like the only thing in town
Speaker 2: until Grinder came along, and I didn't use Adam for Adam,
Speaker 2: I didn't use the like the more legacy platforms, but Grinder,
Speaker 2: I think really the fact that it was on your
Speaker 2: phone really fucking blew the gates open.
Speaker 1: Mm hm. Totally unregulated too, which now it feels odd
Speaker 1: to say this, but the apps are very regulated now.
Speaker 1: But that's because there's a deep need for it, because
Speaker 1: it's not a safe environment.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's inherently somewhat dangerous if you're putting yourself
Speaker 2: out there in any sexual way. I don't know, there's
Speaker 2: just some danger, that's all.
Speaker 1: Like, here's what I'll say. I was not Ungrinder then.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be on Grinder until like twenty sixteen, twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen really and was rarely on the apps. I was,
Speaker 1: as at the time, very afraid of sex two thousand nine,
Speaker 1: as also of the year unfortunately I was assaulted. It's
Speaker 1: taken a very long time. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: until twenty seventeen that I understood that that's what that was.
Speaker 1: It was during the Me Too era that I realized
Speaker 1: I recognized a lot of the conversations that were happening,
Speaker 1: and I realized that where I recognized it from was that.
Speaker 2: It had happened to me.
Speaker 1: Yes, So looking back, one of the things I always
Speaker 1: feel disappointed about and like about my college experiences that
Speaker 1: I wasn't out there more. Like I always tell myself,
Speaker 1: it's like that scarcity thing where it's like, oh, when
Speaker 1: you were young, you should have been out there doing
Speaker 1: this and doing that. But like, I think that was
Speaker 1: another reason for my anxiety around gayness and around like
Speaker 1: thrusting myself into this world and why it was so
Speaker 1: hard is because I was confused about whether to trust
Speaker 1: gay people or not, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: I I was bullied very badly when I first got
Speaker 1: to NYU by gay men.
Speaker 2: I remember these specific bullies as well.
Speaker 1: And I also had trusted one and been taken advantage of.
Speaker 2: And so oh my god, we both have a name
Speaker 2: that we were both yeah yeah, yeah, wow, that's so funny.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like and then I remember I came
Speaker 1: back to school and like had you know, gained like
Speaker 1: some confidence and some power. But I filtered all of
Speaker 1: that into like the comedy and the friendships, and none
Speaker 1: of that into my romantic and sexual life because I
Speaker 1: was so scared of sex. I was scared of interacting
Speaker 1: with other gay men and mass you really were one
Speaker 1: of my only gay friends.
Speaker 2: But can we just say, and maybe we haven't really
Speaker 2: acknowledged this. Us being in these comedy groups was a
Speaker 2: lifeline for both of them totally. I mean, we'll talk
Speaker 2: about this so whenever we talk about you do as anty.
Speaker 2: But like I remember going to NYU being like, if
Speaker 2: I don't get on this improv group, I will have
Speaker 2: no way of making friends.
Speaker 1: I think I felt really similarly, or I was concerned
Speaker 1: about I put all my chips in it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: felt the same way when you actually made it in
Speaker 1: your first Yeah, I remember like, so I had sworn
Speaker 1: myself to like this thing. I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do what Amy Poeher did. And then in two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine, when I went to my Danger Box audition
Speaker 1: for the improv group and I tease you because you
Speaker 1: were there and we had an interaction and I didn't
Speaker 1: make it, I was really scared because I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's one down, there's only one other one.
Speaker 2: And I was not at the time.
Speaker 1: I was not at the time a self starter like
Speaker 1: Sudie didn't make it into Danger Box her first year,
Speaker 1: and she was enough of a self starter to start
Speaker 1: her own group called Captain Soldier, which would then become
Speaker 1: its own thing, and she made her own way at
Speaker 1: the time, like I think I was so insecure and
Speaker 1: such a different version of myself. I don't think I
Speaker 1: would have been able to start my own comedy group.
Speaker 1: So it was really important for me and I think
Speaker 1: for you too, to make it into this thing that
Speaker 1: was like established and we could join and I could
Speaker 1: like coulde switch my way in? I never pretended to
Speaker 1: be straight there, but I was always very good at
Speaker 1: playing with boys.
Speaker 2: Right, you were, well, so were you?
Speaker 1: We want to know why, because we took a lot
Speaker 1: of shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you way.
Speaker 1: Worse than me. Was this also the year of our wedding?
Speaker 2: No, I think that was anode.
Speaker 1: We don't have to get that, we don't have to
Speaker 1: get into somebody to say we were playing boy ball,
Speaker 1: and that was actually like comfortable for us.
Speaker 2: Right, And at the time, it was like, well, this
Speaker 2: beats the alternative, which is that we're not in these
Speaker 2: groups at all, and that we have no outlet for
Speaker 2: this thing that we this art form that we love
Speaker 2: and want to do and want to start early.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just knew I needed to do comedy and
Speaker 1: it was more important for me to commit to that
Speaker 1: than to like figure out my gay inner and outer
Speaker 1: life because I was so stunted. Yeah so yeah, But
Speaker 1: no regrets, no regrets, not at all because ultimately, like
Speaker 1: that is how we met.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, and we've made like again deep friendships in
Speaker 2: these groups. Yeeah. We don't have to say names necessarily,
Speaker 2: but like we keep in touch with.
Speaker 1: Oh o oh my god. No, I have warmth in
Speaker 1: my heart for everyone from that time, obviously mostly you
Speaker 1: and Sudie, you know what I mean, Like ultimately.
Speaker 2: Like sure, I mean like when addressing for me, like
Speaker 2: she was the first part I reached out in April
Speaker 2: of two thousand and eight, before I even decided on NYU,
Speaker 2: or maybe right when I decided on NYU, And I
Speaker 2: was like, what's the process like for getting into these groups?
Speaker 2: And then she was like she reached out. She like
Speaker 2: we like joked back and forth like cosmically. That is
Speaker 2: crazy to me because it's like she and I would
Speaker 2: then work at s and now together and like righte
Speaker 2: Iceberg together, Like that is crazy to me, But we
Speaker 2: can get into this. In two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was all two thousand and nine for me.
Speaker 1: All my first in terms of all that was two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. Well I think we have very different
Speaker 1: two thousand and eights. Yeah, yeah, But anyway, all this
Speaker 1: was two thousand and nine. This was such a blessing
Speaker 1: of a year to choose first.
Speaker 2: A deep reflection, would you say? Wouldn't you say?
Speaker 1: One? And now I'm getting the goblet out.
Speaker 2: Okay, Goblet of Cultural Years is coming. It is actually
Speaker 2: an ice bucket, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: Can you hear the sounds of the goblin?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I was telling him to Katie's Readers Publicist finalist that
Speaker 2: it's actually an ice bucket, but for the.
Speaker 1: No, one's a goblet. Okay, are you ready?
Speaker 2: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: The next year on next Week's Last Coach to be
Speaker 1: culturally Excavated is twenty seventeen. Wow. Wow, twenty seventeen. This
Speaker 1: was just off the top of the dome. This was
Speaker 1: the year that Last Coach really became a thing. This
Speaker 1: was it was our second year. Yeah, but this was
Speaker 1: like the year that it like really became a thing.
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say, like we can go through
Speaker 2: the episodes from that year and like, oh yeah, stroll
Speaker 2: down memory lane. That's a good year. There's gonna be
Speaker 2: some darkness.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some darkness, there's going to be some
Speaker 1: light and that's just culture, baby. But look forward to
Speaker 1: that one next week, twenty seventeen. Brush up. That is
Speaker 1: the year that will be culturally excavated.
Speaker 2: Wow, period down all. I forgot to mention DJ Earworm
Speaker 2: that is an incredible mashup, as we've talked about last week.
Speaker 2: But there's not much more to say. It's it's just
Speaker 2: an incredible mashup. But that was when he did like
Speaker 2: the top fifty songs of the year.
Speaker 1: Check it out, y'all. Check it out, y'all. It is
Speaker 1: time for I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is our one minute segment where we take
Speaker 2: a minute, as I've said, to go off on culture.
Speaker 2: Matthew has something I do. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers.
Speaker 2: I don't think so many as time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. If you're out there pronouncing
Speaker 1: it or spelling it like America Ferrara, her name is
Speaker 1: America Ferira. This woman has been famous for over twenty years.
Speaker 1: I am going to reputable websites and they're saying in
Speaker 1: bold America Ferrara. This is not her name. Her name
Speaker 1: is America Ferira. It has been since she was born,
Speaker 1: and since she was born into the public thirsty seconds.
Speaker 1: If you are saying Ferrara, it feels racist to me.
Speaker 1: Just learn this woman's name, America Ferira. It is an e,
Speaker 1: not an a. Why am I going to these websites
Speaker 1: and seeing Ferrara? It just feels so lazy to me.
Speaker 1: This is one of the most famous people, like just
Speaker 1: I don't want to see in the lead up to
Speaker 1: the Oscars, and you know who's a spoiler of America Ferrara,
Speaker 1: Please please please call her by her name, America Ferira.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, America Ferrara.
Speaker 2: Here's who I don't think is dealing with this, Amber Tamlin,
Speaker 2: Alexis Bludell, Blake Lively.
Speaker 1: It would be like calling her Alexis Bludole like it's
Speaker 1: not it's not It's Ferrera, not Ferrara. This has bothered
Speaker 1: me for such a long time, and this didn't happen
Speaker 1: today on Oscar nominations morning, which by the way, we're
Speaker 1: announced by Jack Quaide, who I was in Hammercats with
Speaker 1: at Nyu and Zassy beats who we love. But it's
Speaker 1: just so funny because literally I was like, who's announcing?
Speaker 1: I was like jack oh wow, like that that blew
Speaker 1: my mind. Like again, it all goes back to fucking
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about. He was in that group
Speaker 1: with me anyways, just so funny, fun Jackie America Ferrera
Speaker 1: is her name. Her name is not America Ferrara. I
Speaker 1: think that it is a demerit on you personally going
Speaker 1: forward if you call her America Ferrara, it is not
Speaker 1: that that is not her name. Please say this woman's
Speaker 1: name correctly. Thank you. She's an Oscar nominee, Emmy winner,
Speaker 1: coming for the egot Quimo. All right, bon Yang, I
Speaker 1: put to you now your opportunity to do it. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Do you have something I do?
Speaker 2: I do slay and a half.
Speaker 1: All right, here's bone Yang's I don't think so money
Speaker 1: coming on you fast time starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Putting tape on coffee cup lids because guess what, the
Speaker 1: hole is gonna be sticky with adhesive and I don't
Speaker 1: want to put my mouth on that. And taste a
Speaker 1: POxy with my cold brew. Okay, I want pure coffee
Speaker 1: and there are already microplastics in every corner of the world.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call out my Starbucks, my not my dunkin
Speaker 1: Donuts is because they've got the straws thirty seconds. If
Speaker 1: we're not gonna do straws, which I respect, you can't
Speaker 1: cover the hole with sticky shit, because then what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen is I got to take off the lid and
Speaker 1: sip from the rim like I'm at a restaurant where
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm on the go, or I have to
Speaker 1: pour it into another contain and you're making me do
Speaker 1: physical and emotional labor in that same breath. And you
Speaker 1: need to govern your ass. Five secay, don't put the
Speaker 1: tape on. I know you're trying to protect spillage, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't need to be that. Put the little sticky
Speaker 1: circle on that's easy to pop off and that's what
Speaker 1: a minute, or just trust that I'm not gonna spill it,
Speaker 1: like stop. I hate that little tape. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? Am I crazy? No? I know
Speaker 1: exactly what we're talking about. And every time I'm like
Speaker 1: that green tape.
Speaker 2: It doesn't come off easy. I'm like, what are we
Speaker 2: doing here?
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. It feels like something that
Speaker 1: we don't need to produce end mass. It's like this, It.
Speaker 2: Can't be more sustainable than that little paper sticky circle
Speaker 2: that you kind of just like flick off and it's
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 1: We need either of them though. Why do we need
Speaker 1: the hole on top of the that tiny hole on
Speaker 1: top of the iced coffee covered? And I don't get it.
Speaker 2: Because I guess for this sometimes the delivery people, if
Speaker 2: it's a delivery, they don't want it to splash and
Speaker 2: splash in their bag. It's to help them.
Speaker 1: I would rather have the lid that's like you know
Speaker 1: those plastic lids that like just have the little divot
Speaker 1: or in debt in them and you can do it yourself.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, I just feel like there is
Speaker 2: a better way.
Speaker 1: There's a better way.
Speaker 2: Period.
Speaker 1: Well, this has been I think an excellent episode of
Speaker 1: Lost Coat.
Speaker 2: I think so I would have to agree.
Speaker 1: And to the doubters, yeah, you guys flopped. You've really flopped.
Speaker 1: Doubters forgot how good we are at this.
Speaker 2: And no one should doubt us on The Traders season three,
Speaker 2: four or five six, whatever they want us, we will
Speaker 2: be there. I think we're I mean they would they
Speaker 2: would bring all though we can't be on the same
Speaker 2: season because they would want to.
Speaker 1: Bring No, we have to be on the same season.
Speaker 1: I think that's the whole point. It's like, if they
Speaker 1: make one of us a Trader and one of us
Speaker 1: are faithful, that's iconic television. Yeah, but the Traders will
Speaker 1: want to kill one like you as a Trader will
Speaker 1: want to kill me, or the Table will want to
Speaker 1: banish you or I and split the group. It's Larsa
Speaker 1: and Marcus. I think we have to play together. That's
Speaker 1: all I'm gonna say about that.
Speaker 2: I would love that, but I think that compromises both
Speaker 2: of us.
Speaker 1: We're gonna continue this conversation off air. It's gonna continue
Speaker 1: all day. Bonyang. Hope you feel better, thank you, And
Speaker 1: I hope those tonsols get sorted.
Speaker 2: And by sorted, I mean snipped girl. I want them out, girl. Okay.
Speaker 1: We end every episode with the song oh the single
Speaker 1: Ladies sing, Ladies up in the club just boom up,
Speaker 1: do them look nay to listen to that song? Get
Speaker 1: the album I am buy it on iTunes like it's
Speaker 1: two thousand and
Speaker 2: In the Sasha Fierce half of that album, five