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Speaker 2: Why right?

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Speaker 1: Faed's response to that. I mean, I think Faedra could

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Speaker 2: This is season nine, by the way, for people see

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Speaker 1: The show I'm I wake up, I think about it.

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Speaker 2: Who Sandra?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting, she is getting the TV edit of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is not to say that we don't

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Speaker 2: Shields don't protect you from banishment though.

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Speaker 1: No, what I'm saying is human shields. What I'm saying

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Speaker 1: you need to be able to see the winner's arc.

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Speaker 1: Sure that is only really there with a few people,

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Speaker 1: argue Janelle. Yes, And I also think they're setting Peter

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. Hmmm. I have really mainlined you can.

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Speaker 2: It's really good, very different, very different. I there's something

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they cast it really well.

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Speaker 2: The half and half of season one us just didn't

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they incredibly am What episode are you one

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Speaker 2: I started episode six?

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Speaker 1: Okay, great, So what are your thoughts about Claudia.

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Speaker 2: We're dressing up as for Halloween. That's a really good

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Speaker 2: We're getting a giant cow necked sweater, a dark wig,

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Speaker 2: a dark curtain, banged wig, and and deep heavy makeup.

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Speaker 1: The best idea I've ever heard, because now in Halloween

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Speaker 1: you could just enter a room being like the trades

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Speaker 1: just have struck again.

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Speaker 2: The traitors have struck again. What's a tragedy.

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Speaker 1: There's a tragic, tragic tale and it's the one you're

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Speaker 2: How could you allow this to happen?

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Speaker 1: And the traits will strike again tonight? Sleep? Well, she's

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Speaker 1: She dropped him serious direct and dropped in and clear

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with these people, it's.

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Speaker 1: Really fun because Alan, coming in the US version, is

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Speaker 1: just I'm so disappointed when you fail and so uplifted

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Speaker 2: The first episode, yeah yeah, he's good.

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Speaker 1: And that season is really good too. They cast some

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Speaker 2: It's Australia. Yeah, I love to my birth country, but

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Speaker 2: Claudia Winkleman is very funny, funny girl. She goes on

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Speaker 1: I mean she has big fans in us.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, we're new to Claudia Winkleman. We can't wait to

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Speaker 2: see more.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy you finally watching that season because I

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Speaker 1: it was late. I just think the traders in general,

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Speaker 2: For the world, the audience, the world. I mean, how

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Speaker 2: I know it's like bigger or as big as drag Race.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, clearly, how many Traders shows are

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Speaker 2: there in countries? Twenty countries in territory? Oh wow, yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: And it did just win the Casting Emmy. I think

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Speaker 1: It's like on NBC. So pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: It's giving flag chat, happy.

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Speaker 1: For Allen, happy for everyone involved. Yeah, happy for.

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Speaker 2: The traits as the Traits has.

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Speaker 1: So speaking of winning and losing Traders, let's touch on

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Speaker 1: these OSCAR nominations. So the leader, no surprise, was Oppenheimer.

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Speaker 1: she made a movie that was bold and you know,

439
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: did something really new and was so funny and so

440
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: culturally important and made over a billion dollars like and

441
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 1: for her to miss out on the director nomination again

442
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,439
Speaker 1: feels like it's just a disappointing, boring conversation to keep having.

443
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: She's obviously one of the most consequential filmmakers out there

444
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: right now. That being said, I don't know who I

445
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: kick out of that director lineup. I'm thrilled for Justine Trier.

446
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: I love Anatomy of a Fall. It's just unfortunate. Yeah, yeah,

447
00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: I don't know.

448
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 2: Actress to actor, very competitive actor, actor, very happy for Coleman,

449
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 2: thrilled and supporting actress bumped me out and supporting actor

450
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 2: kind of confounded me. Look, that's all I'll say.

451
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: I feel that Charles Melton snub is you didn't nominate

452
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 1: the best Supporting performance of that category. I also, I

453
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: would say the same about Rachel Best Supporting an Actress.

454
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: I would say I miss Rachel mcadam's there. I miss

455
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:33,719
Speaker 1: Julian Moore there. I mean like I think we I

456
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: don't know actors, That's what I would say, and like

457
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: it's can I just say I'm a big America fererra fan.

458
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: I really like America Fererra I always have. I just

459
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: don't think it's an Oscar worthy performance, especially when there

460
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: were so many performances that were up there for me

461
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,479
Speaker 1: in terms of like really really challenging, great stuff, and

462
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: feels like she got nominated for that monologue, which you

463
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 1: took care of in the screenplay nomination. I just think

464
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: it's disappointing to see Greta Gerwig and Margot Robbie not

465
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: be nominated in director and actress when I don't think

466
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: those were easy things to pull off. And clearly the

467
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: movie was beloved in other areas, but it actually didn't

468
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: do as well overall as I thought it would.

469
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: Barbie, Yeah, surprising, Or you're saying you're bored of the

470
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 2: entire conversation around the film.

471
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: No, not that. I'm just this thing with Greta Gerwig

472
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: missing for director is boring to me because it's just

473
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: like we're still having this conversation, like she deserves to

474
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: be nominated for this movie. I don't know who misses

475
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: out again, Like, I don't know you could.

476
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: Have seen a snub coming based on precursors.

477
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a sneaking submission. Submission. I had a sneak.

478
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: Sneaking submission is titled me when people Think I'm a

479
00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: top Oh No, I don't know. I had a suspicion

480
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: just because they've they've bumped her from that category before.

481
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: I was just disappointed, right, you know what I mean,

482
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: like because I think her efforts merit. You know, a

483
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: nomination there, the Sterling K. Brown nomination, and.

484
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: I don't know about that.

485
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: It just really doesn't make sense to me.

486
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 2: Was Greta's director nomination for Ladybird? For Ladybird, not Little Women?

487
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: I see? Yeah, I would have loved Charles to have

488
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: gotten in there, that's all. Yeah, and Natalie and Julie

489
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: and I really think those were really compelling performances.

490
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: Actors really said this year going the easy route, like

491
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: and even this Innette Banning nomination, She's not gonna win people,

492
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: It's like, and also I don't believe that that performance

493
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: looking back is going to be like Oh yeah, wow.

494
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: Remember twenty twenty three. Remember Niad, No no one remembers Niad.

495
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jody and America in supporting is tough for me.

496
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just I just.

497
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's nothing against again. I fucking love Jodie Foster,

498
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like America Ferrera, I love

499
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: them all. It's just when you're looking at it, it's like,

500
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: what exactly what are we doing here? Just people I

501
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: would love to have seen. There's just countless count I mean,

502
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: even Taraji in color.

503
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: Purple, Taraji, Rachel McAdams, Yeah, Julianne. The actress categories were

504
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: incredibly competitive, as usual. I don't know, it's just this

505
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 2: was this was a really packed here for the girls.

506
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there was, there was great things. I mean,

507
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm thrown for an Anatomy of a Fall. I love

508
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: that Sondra Huler was nominated.

509
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 2: Yes, love that.

510
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean I also think that script is so amazing

511
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: and her performance is great, and you know, it's we'll

512
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: see it just feels like it's locked up a little

513
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: bit too, you know what I mean, Like if I

514
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: had to predict, Enjoy Randolph is winning feels like Robert

515
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: Junior is winning.

516
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: Feels like Killian is winning, or Ki and Paul Killian

517
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: and Paul is very interesting.

518
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: That's a race. I would say, that's a race. Yeah,

519
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: I would vote for Paul Giamati.

520
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: I really loved Paul, and then Emma's is locked for

521
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: for actress.

522
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: It feels like Emma and Lily.

523
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: Right, that's a race. That's a good race.

524
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's some races for sure. I think Oppenheimer

525
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: will win best Pitch. I think it'll end up feeling

526
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: more anti climactic. Yes, then we thought, or it could have.

527
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately Oppenheimer is sweeping the thing.

528
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Poor Things getting coming in second with the

529
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: number of noums is pretty cool to me. I really

530
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: Poor Things my favorite. As you all know, I am

531
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 2: excited to watch Oppenheimer soon to completion. I still have not.

532
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: As you know, Matt and I did leave the theater.

533
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: Yes, we just because we were like, we get it,

534
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: we get it, so we kind of. I haven't even

535
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: seen when allegedly Emily Blunt and Robert Downey Junior's performances

536
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: get good, you know what I mean? All year, I've

537
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: been like, oh, I've been waiting for years for Emily

538
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: Blunt to get an Oscar nomination for years and now

539
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: she gets one, and I'm like, oh, but like I

540
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: didn't make it to the part or the movie where

541
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: apparently she was good. Same with Robert Downey Junior. And also,

542
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: you know what, they're both icons. And I'm not mad

543
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: at anyone's nomination. I'm happy for everyone. I'm just bummed

544
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: for people that got left off.

545
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. Same, there are a lot of snubs. There are

546
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: more snubs than I thought there would be.

547
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: I was wondering lest night. I was like, is this

548
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: going to be a straightforward morning or a chaotic morning?

549
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: I think it was pretty chaotic.

550
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: It was chaotic a lot of times, like things will

551
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: pop up and I'd be like, whoa, huh, We're going

552
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: for it this morning, aren't we.

553
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

554
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: I can't stand Maestro. I can't stand that movie. And

555
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: I really feel like we're so lazy and boring forgiving

556
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: it as much as we gave it. Like it's just

557
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: who loves that movie? You loved Maestro? Reach out.

558
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: I just want to talk, just talk to Matt because

559
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: that was another one that I haven't sat through. I'm bad.

560
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: I'm bad. I'd rather watched the traders every time.

561
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: It's one hundred percent understandable. Did you watch Salt Lake?

562
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: I did.

563
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: Let's touch on it.

564
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: I mean, the Monica thing is it made my head

565
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: spin the number of times she contradicted herself within seconds

566
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: or on a larger scale, never once took accountability for anything,

567
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: even with like the admission quote unquote of her being

568
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: one of the people who was involved in Rihanny Avante's

569
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: it's still extremely There's no purchase there, there's no grip there,

570
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: there's no like it's slippery. She makes it slippery on purpose,

571
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: and she like lies on herself within sentences. She's very

572
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: emotionally stunted. She's she's an unwe person. I don't think

573
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: she should come back, but I have it on too

574
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: it authority that she will. I don't know if I

575
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: will like the next season if it, if it's as

576
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: nasty and ugly as this reunion was, And that's my

577
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: main thought. And the Heather stuff was interesting too, and

578
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: the way that Andy kind of took her to task

579
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: in a way that was respectful but ultimately valid.

580
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was in trouble. Yeah, I mean he really

581
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: held her feet to the fire for that and for

582
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: good reason, because, to be honest with you, I had

583
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: never even thought about what.

584
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: She was insinuating about production.

585
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and here's what I'll say. I want to come

586
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: at this with some sympathy and empathy for Monica because

587
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: I believe she acts like a fourteen year old because

588
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: she's stuck there. I have a lot of sympathy for

589
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: what her mother treats her like. I mean, like that

590
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: that seems like such a toxic, terrible atmosphere. She's obviously

591
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 1: not got a relationship with any paternal figure. She's a

592
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: divorced woman, you know what I mean. I think that

593
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: she probably did want to improve her station in life,

594
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: and I think she probably was abused by Genshaw. And

595
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: I actually think that at the end of the reunion,

596
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: her place on this cast, to me, is more uncertain

597
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: than I thought it was, because I would have thought

598
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: she's done now. I actually think if Heather can somehow

599
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: get over this and Monica can stop being so defensive,

600
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: they actually have a place to start, which is that

601
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: they were both abused by this person.

602
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

603
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: I thought the allegations were one thing, and then the

604
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: explanation of what really happened with Genshaw and the black guy.

605
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: You know, I understand why she was scared. I do

606
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: think that Genshaw is a scary person. I thought she

607
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: was scary just to watch imagine being with her and like, yeah,

608
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: the way she would just pop off and get in

609
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: people's faces, the look she would get in her eye.

610
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: And what I really resent is that whenever she was

611
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: called out for that, she always made it about like,

612
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: you can't say that about brown and black women. And

613
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm sorry, but that is so disgusting of

614
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: you to hide behind that. Meanwhile, you are someone who

615
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: is physically violent and dangerous in your activity like that

616
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: is so that's like a very real thing that black

617
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: and brown women and women of color have to deal with,

618
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: and you weaponize that to shut people down so that

619
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: they would continue to fear you. And I just think

620
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: that's disgusting. I think she's obviously a disgusting person inside

621
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: and out. And at the end of the reunion, when

622
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: they were all like holding each other and crying, and

623
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: Andy said, can we all just really realize the fact

624
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: that this person was like an asteroid?

625
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: We're still cleaning up her mess, That's what he said.

626
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: We're still keeping up And then.

627
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: I thought it was powerful when Heather addressed her yeah,

628
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I think ultimately when

629
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: the rest of the women came to her defense and said,

630
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 1: I understand why Heather did what she did. I understand,

631
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, you do see why this show ultimately has

632
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: ended up being a great show, which is that there is

633
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: that sisterhood there and that understanding. And I also believe

634
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: that we're actually able to get with this franchise to

635
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: an emotional truth.

636
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know what I'm saying.

637
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: It's like, ultimately, at the end of the season, which

638
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: was one of the best seasons, we're able to really

639
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: start talking about like something real about.

640
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: The things that bring women like this together, right, which

641
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: is honestly, the comparison has been made. It's big little lies.

642
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: It's like someone who has abused and caused tremendous pain

643
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 2: on multiple levels. It's so funny, like Genshaw is the

644
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: what's his face card the end er, not Peter sorry,

645
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: Alexander's stars Guard. I get my stars Guards mixed up.

646
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: You got your Peter stars Guard and your Alexander Scarter.

647
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: Don't even bring Bill Scarsguard into this. They will be

648
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: a scar I thought Monica seemed very defeated at the

649
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: end of the reunion, which I refuse to believe was

650
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: her final act. And I think she'll be back. She'll

651
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: be back because I think that the way they put

652
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: it together, if I had to guess, is that Mary's

653
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: coming back. That's the way for Monica to come back.

654
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: And I think that there will be a Mary Whitney conversation.

655
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: And I think if Monica has a path forward with someone.

656
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 2: It's Whitney, it's Whitney. Although can I say, I think

657
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: you're totally right, I am personally sort of done with Mary.

658
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: I don't think the entertainment value is sustainable. Brick Ashley

659
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: actually made a great point about this. I think she

660
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: like themed her whole retap on this. It's like Mary

661
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: being that rude and that toxic honestly, not in the

662
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: same way as Jen, but like Mary being cruel, and

663
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: she is cruel. It's not fun to watch anymore, I

664
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: would agree. And the way these women talk to her

665
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: and Andy talks to her, it's like she is in

666
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: an institution.

667
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: I also think people are forgetting a lot about her,

668
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: about Mary, about what she's done, yeah and been like

669
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: on this show, there's a reason why Whitney used the

670
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: word predator about her. I'm not alleging anything. I'm just

671
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: saying there is a reason why, because there was a

672
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: lot wrong with what I saw on that television show

673
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: in regards to Mary's church and the way they treated her.

674
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: Go back and watch the episode where Jenshaw visits Mary

675
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: at the church.

676
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: The power structure of that place is dark.

677
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: Problematic, and for Mary to throw around racism, which you

678
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: know she's entitled to do. But I'm sorry, but I

679
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: seem to remember her speaking in a comical Asian accent

680
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 1: about Ms Jenny to like, Mary is not above board,

681
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: and she's always been who she's been. Yes, it's sometimes

682
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: funny because it's crazy that she'll just come out and

683
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: call someone in bread and chubby and fat, and she'll

684
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: just say these things like and she seems to get

685
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: away with it because no one seems to know how

686
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: to handle it, and therefore it lands under or it

687
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: gets filtered under comedy ha ha ha. But it is

688
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: just me and I have a feeling that if she

689
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: were on a cast with people who could like actually

690
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: handle her verbally and weren't just in shock, like you know,

691
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: because none of these women can read, none of these

692
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: women can like tear her apart with words like so

693
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: she kind of just gets carte blanche. If she were

694
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: on the cast with someone that could like stand up

695
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: to her for real, we wouldn't be like as entertained

696
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: by it because it would get called out for being

697
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: what it is.

698
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 2: Right, which is bad.

699
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

700
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: So those are my thoughts on Salt Lake And what else?

701
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: Is there? More current events? Or are you diving back

702
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: in time?

703
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: I've started True Detectives. Oh yeah, and it's good so far.

704
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: It's the Jody songs. And then I am randomly starting

705
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: Fargo season two with miss Kirsten and mister Plemmons and

706
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: miss gen Smart and here in Culkin.

707
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: That's apparently a great Kirsten performance.

708
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: It's really good, really good so far. I've never seen it,

709
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: And oh, I want to kind of work my way

710
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 2: through those seasons because it feels up my alley. And

711
00:37:54,719 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: I don't know why I never really explored, Okay, should

712
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: we should we go back in time? Should we go

713
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: into the what we've already got into the bowl.

714
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: We've gone into the bowl, and we've chosen a year,

715
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: the year, and it's a year and it's a year

716
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: you guys, And I was saying to Bowen, like, so

717
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: remember how I was like, I don't want to give

718
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: us homework. We did have a little bit of homework.

719
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 1: I've created a document which has like all the highlights

720
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,479
Speaker 1: of two thousand and nine. And this actually was really

721
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: fun because I think that the culture gods were looking

722
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: down on us when we pick this, because two thousand

723
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: and nine is not only the year that birthed so

724
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: many culturally relevant items and was the beginning of so

725
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: much and you know, also the end of so much,

726
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: but also it was the year that Boone and I

727
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: became friends.

728
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: Big year.

729
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: So for that to come out of the bowl first,

730
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: it's a.

731
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: Huge It's a sign. It was the last thing that

732
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: matter wrote on this document, and it made me very emotional,

733
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: very beautiful. It was the year that you and I

734
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: became friends because it was the year that we were

735
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: both doing comedy at our school. Yeah, we got to

736
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: meet amazing people through it, lifelong friends and no less

737
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: each other.

738
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: This also was the year I came out of the closet.

739
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: Ooh the year Yeah. I just remember, like I was thinking,

740
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: what's what's two thousand nine what's important about two thosan

741
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: and nine. I was like, oh yeah, it was like

742
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: the year everything changed.

743
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: I would not come out of the closet again until

744
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: the next year, twenty ten, and I will never forget.

745
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: I just blurted it out to my expense in Henry

746
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: Melcher in our apartment.

747
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: You just said, I'm gay.

748
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of well, well, we'll get to it

749
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: when we get to twenty ten, whenever we do. But

750
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: it was it was a lovely mo o.

751
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: Yours was twenty ten. Okay, so we have to wait

752
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: for that. We have to wait for Bowen Yang's coming

753
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: out story until twenty ten.

754
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: Talk about you coming out in two thousand and nine,

755
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: What are the ten poles of that experience for you?

756
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: So I had internal transferred into TISH and I found

757
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: out I was going to get in, So I was

758
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: it was like March or April of two thousand and

759
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: nine when I found out I was going to get

760
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: into TISH because I was in College of Arts and Sciences.

761
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: It was freshman year and I was going to do

762
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: an internal transfer, and a lot was writing on that

763
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: because I was like, you know, for some reason, it's

764
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: like you know before you do anything big, Like coming

765
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: out of the closet, you have like checklists, like I

766
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: want to make sure that I'm able to bet do

767
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: this and do that, and like I was just you know,

768
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: working so hard over time in my brain to make

769
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: sure that the environment was going to be a healthy one.

770
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: Once I had come out, so I had gotten into TISH.

771
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: I remember, like, you know, hitting the streets and listening

772
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: to like all my music and of the time, Like

773
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: I remember listening to Ready by Kelly Clarkson in two

774
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. After I found out, I got into

775
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: TISH and it was like a really nice spring day,

776
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: and I remember I walked around Fourth av like around

777
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: U Haul where my dorm was, and I just like

778
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: took a really long walk and just smiled and like

779
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: was so excited about my future. And I was really

780
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: galvanized about coming out of the closet that summer, and

781
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm.

782
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: Gonna do it.

783
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell all my friends, and you know,

784
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: basically I had come back to Long Island to work

785
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: over the summer at a restaurant and I was gonna

786
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: start waiting tables. And that was the first summer I

787
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: had like a relationship. I had like a you know,

788
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: my sexual awakening that summer and started to tell all

789
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: of my friends, and you know, I told my mother

790
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: that Christmas. I didn't tell my dad actually until the

791
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: next year, like my parents were the last to know.

792
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: But that was actually one of the most difficult summers

793
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: of my life because I was like having sex for

794
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: the first time and that was like a whole new

795
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: awakening and that was excited, but also at the same time,

796
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: like having to look my friends from high school like

797
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: in their eye and say I'm gay. That was it

798
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: was like I had a fever every day. You know

799
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: who anyone who's closeted or has been closeted knows what

800
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: that's like to have to come forward with that information.

801
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: And Yeah, so just sitting in this year and looking

802
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: at all the culture of this year, it's all like

803
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: it's not triggering in a bad way. It's just triggering

804
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: in an interesting way, in a very emotional way, because

805
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: all of this stuff has attachment to a very heightened time.

806
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 2: It's well, all the culture of this year and that

807
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: we'll get into is suffused with your personal experience of

808
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 2: just like coming out.

809
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, one of the things I even put in

810
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 1: the document was that this year really marked the first

811
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: year of SUPERSTARTO for Taylor stuff, but also Lady Gaga.

812
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: And I remember Lady Gaga when she first came out,

813
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: like I was resistant, I think because of the messaging

814
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: of be the little monster, let your freak flag fly,

815
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: like be gay, like et cetera. Like it's time, like

816
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: Obama being elected and Gaga bursting out and like being

817
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: at NYU. It was all just like it was like

818
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: life was telling me, like it's time to dive in,

819
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: and that is scary, you know what I mean, like

820
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: like the culture of the time in the ways that

821
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure you feel this way, and like I know

822
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: I feel this way. Like it was interacting in a way.

823
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: It was action.

824
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Gaga was out here saying get your dicks out,

825
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: get your well that was twenty ten. That was that

826
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: was she was. She was metaphorically saying get your dick right. Well,

827
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: so was get your dicks out.

828
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: Let's start with Gaga. Sure, So this is so fame

829
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 2: the fame comes out August. I want to say of

830
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, I might be getting the month wrong.

831
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: So later latter half of two thousand and eight. Well,

832
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: for context, we'll mention that Fame Monster comes out November

833
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 2: of two thousand and nine, and I just remember her

834
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 2: doing her promoting that album in a way that was

835
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: thrilling to me. Where I think this was before Bad

836
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: Romance even came out, but she was just doing interviews

837
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: in a way that she changed up her look in

838
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: a way that like was deeply exciting. She was going

839
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: from this like euro trash adjacent aesthetic of the Fame

840
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: into like, I'm gonna look like Marilyn or I'm gonna like, look,

841
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna really start doing my Madonna drag. And it

842
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: was when she started doing these interviews where she was like,

843
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: you're judgmental that I'm promiscuous of my songs, But if

844
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: I were a guy grabbing my crotch talking about fucking girls,

845
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: you'd call me a rock star. I'm just a rock star.

846
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: That is a huge, huge cultural moment for I think

847
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: a lot of people to hear a pop star who

848
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: was deeply intelligent, deeply studied, deeply aware of like the

849
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: things that have led up to her career and to

850
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 2: say that to some asshole who was like, your songs

851
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: are about sex, Like what do you like, how do

852
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: you feel about that? She's like, I don't feel anything

853
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: about that. It's not revolutionary. I'm just a rock star.

854
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: That's so powerful to me.

855
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think people didn't know what to do with her,

856
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: but knew they had to do something with her because

857
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: she was so undeniable. I mean, I will never forget.

858
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: It was like Just Dance came out, and I wasn't

859
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: a huge Just Dance fan. For me, I got poker Face,

860
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, I would have thought that

861
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga looking the way she looked, because remember when

862
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: she came out, everyone was like, oh, she's ripping off

863
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: Christina Aguilera Bionic. That's so because it was like Christina

864
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,479
Speaker 1: had like a very similar aesthetic with the Bionic era,

865
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: like the keeps getting better of it all and like

866
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: the not myself tonight of it all, Like that was

867
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: sort of gaga ish at a time when Gaga was doing,

868
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, the early days of Gaga the fame, and

869
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: that was they were they were speaking to each other esthetically,

870
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: and then it would become so clear that Gaga was

871
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: her own thing when poker Face came out and it

872
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: was like, you know this like ode to bisexuality and

873
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: like this like a bizarre melody and this weird hook

874
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: and this insane sort of like you know, she was

875
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: hinting at insanity weirdly in her interviews, and everyone was like,

876
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: what does she really look like because this was during

877
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: the era when no one really knew what she looked like.

878
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: And then what really got me speak of Alexander Scarsgard

879
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: again was parazzo, paparazzi, paparazzi. Oh, because I also loved

880
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,479
Speaker 1: love game paparazzi. For me, I was like, oh God,

881
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: something's happening. Something got it and I remember, you know,

882
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: say what you want. But Perez Hilton was all over her.

883
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: He was like, this is the new princess of pa

884
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: mark my words, this is her. And I was like,

885
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: all right, it feels like we're being like forced fed

886
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: her a little bit. And then it was so clear

887
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: like okay, get on board or be lame, and I

888
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: just I remember I decided to be lame because I

889
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: was not ready for it. I've said it on this podcast,

890
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: like if you don't love Gaga, you don't love yourself.

891
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: I did not love myself at that time. I was

892
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: learning too.

893
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: You would just come out. There is a developmental latency

894
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: around reaching that, reaching that sort of place, and I

895
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 2: think a couple of years later, Gaga comes out with

896
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: these missives about self love that we'll get into. So

897
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: we'll get into another time, but there's Gaga, Nicki Minaj,

898
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: beam Me Up. Scotti comes out in two thousand and

899
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: nine as well. This is a hugely important This is

900
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: a hugely important year. Let's keep going, should we talk about.

901
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: We should also say two thousand and nine and like

902
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: just to speak on this which is essentially a Swifty podcast.

903
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: This was Fearless winning album of the year. This was

904
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. This was truly the beginning of her superstardom

905
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: because she had been a Country Musical Award winner and

906
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: country music star and now she was legitimately household name status,

907
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: which I think you know also speaks to the Kanye

908
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 1: West of it all. That was one of the big

909
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: cultural moments of the year. Kanye West storming the stage

910
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: that would have ripple effects for decades, and he was

911
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: also speaking up in protest of Beyonce's loss, which this

912
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: was also a big moment for Beyonce because this was

913
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: really the end of Beyonce as Matthew Knowles sort of

914
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: let's call her like a pop star in the way

915
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: of like you'd always see pop stars like this, you know,

916
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 1: I Am Sasha Fierras was Beyonce's last like conveyor belt album.

917
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: It was great, but it wasn't like the artistic sensations

918
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: that would come later, like with four, which was point

919
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: with the self title, which et cetera, which you know

920
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 1: she became. She became Beyonce two point zero or even

921
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: three point zero after I Am Sasha Fierce. But this

922
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: was the year of single, Ladies and Halo, and this

923
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: was Beyonce in that first imperial phase.

924
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm hmmm. Let's say this best selling album, Fearless

925
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: would win Album of the Year at the Grammys. Record

926
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: of the Year, you use Somebody by Kings of Leon,

927
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: the Song of the Year single Ladies put a Ring

928
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: on It, Best New Artist Zach Brown Band, Most Awards

929
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 2: Beyonce one six at the Grammys. And you said main

930
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: History is the winningest female artist in a night. Does

931
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: she still hold that record?

932
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: I think so, because I think they've also changed it

933
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: so that it would be pretty impossible for an artist

934
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: to win six Awards in a night because this was

935
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: the time where there was, like you know, there was

936
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: like Best Female Pop Vocal and Best Male Pop Vocal,

937
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: whereas now it's Best Solo Pop Vocal. It's like right right,

938
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: They've done a lot of changing with the categories, I

939
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: think because it was so easy for people to win

940
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: so many. Also, I just want to say, in terms

941
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: of you Somebody, do you want to know the first

942
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: time I ever heard the song use Somebody? Was it

943
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: at a hammertatched show? No, it was at Saturday Night Live. Oh,

944
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: I went on the standby line. So we've talked about

945
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: this on the pod. But and this is one thing

946
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: I forgot to say when I talked about this with

947
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: Seth Myers. So show No, it was James Franco and

948
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: Kings of Leon.

949
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

950
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: And do you know who I sat next to in

951
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: the audience.

952
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: You've told me before, but this is going to blow

953
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: my mind again.

954
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: Emma Stone. Oh my god, Amma Stone. Was had only

955
00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: been in super Bad, and I remember no one read

956
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: recognized her, but I because I loved super Bad and

957
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: I loved Emstone in it. And I'm telling you she

958
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: was sitting next to her boyfriend at the time, Teddy Geiger. Wow.

959
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: So I remember when the taping was over, like everyone

960
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: was getting up and it was so major, and I

961
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: remember you Somebody had come on, and I remember being like, wait,

962
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: that song was kind of great, Like I had never

963
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: heard that, Like I had, I knew Sex on Fire

964
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: by Kings of Leon. So they performed Sex on Fire

965
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: and they name Somebody and I was like, whoa, that

966
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: song is kind of a smash, and then they were

967
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: great and it would go on to win Record of

968
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: the Year, as you just said. But I was sitting

969
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: next to Emistone and I remember at the und when

970
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: everyone was getting up to file out, so many people

971
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: stopped Teddy Geiger for a picture. I think Emmastone might

972
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: have been taking photos for her fans. You know, Teddy

973
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: transitioned and become, you know, more of like a songwriter.

974
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: I think she works with Sewn Mendes a lot now,

975
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: but this was a time they were dating. I sat

976
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: next to them, That's wild and watched Kings of leannperformed

977
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 1: You Somebody at a show that would change the course

978
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: of my life in terms of what I was pursuing,

979
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: and would ultimately be a show that my best friend

980
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: was the star of and I would also meet him

981
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: that year.

982
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: It just this is and I was.

983
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: Coming out and like all these things, Like just.

984
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: Can I say this segment is already amazing not to

985
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 2: pat ourselves on the back. I love this so much

986
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 2: because I mean, we'll get to a point where we

987
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 2: do a year that like we weren't even born in

988
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: and we won't have this personal connection to it as much.

989
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: But who's this who's to say? I mean, this is

990
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: Emma Stone. By the way, Culture Awards Accolyte fan Well

991
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 2: should be saying she was almost going to show up

992
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 2: to last year's ceremony.

993
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were. We actually almost had Emma Stone to

994
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: the Cultural Awards. Talks fell apart at the last minute

995
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: because I believe there was a hair dying situation. I

996
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: think she had just dyed her hair and she was

997
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: concerned about quote unquote looking crazy. But you know, the

998
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: doors open Emma Stone was it.

999
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 2: Was it black? No, it couldn't have been black.

1000
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: It could have been ported she had dyed her hair

1001
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: for something, which probably people will find out soon. But

1002
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: I think that she was like, it's not really the

1003
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: vibe for me to show up in public right now.

1004
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 2: Totally, but she has an open invitation to come at

1005
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: any point in the future.

1006
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: Whatever she wants. She vibes are good, right, I mean

1007
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: like she seems like the legs are great.

1008
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: We were like naked on a garbage truck in the cold,

1009
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: just like our teeth clattering, chattering, whatever. And then I

1010
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: was like we went.

1011
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: She toasted SNL for the fifth time, and I'm telling you,

1012
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: I sat next to her on what had to be

1013
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 1: the first time she had ever seen it. Yeah.

1014
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that weird. It's crazy sure that she loves that,

1015
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: She's loved her whole life.

1016
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny. I remember her watching it

1017
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: and I remember, this is so weird. And maybe I'm

1018
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: rewriting history here, but when I was watching it, I

1019
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: remember I was having a moment like where I was

1020
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: just like, Wow, this is so exciting. I don't know

1021
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: if I need to be on this show or want

1022
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: to do this show, but there's something about this like

1023
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 1: I need to I need to explore this as a career. Yes,

1024
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: I need to pursue this feeling, this energy. And I

1025
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: feel like I was, of course like looking over at

1026
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 1: her because I knew who she was and I feel

1027
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: like I saw something similar in the way that she

1028
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,479
Speaker 1: was should if she comes on this podcast, I would

1029
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: love to ask her about that, because I'm sure she

1030
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: remembers being there, you know, like and I'm sure it

1031
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: was like a moment, because I mean she would go

1032
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: on to host the show five times. It was just unreal.

1033
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: It's just so crazy.

1034
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: This is two thousand and eight, so this is a

1035
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: different thing.

1036
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, no no no, somebody got us

1037
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: into it.

1038
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, yes, yes, yes, no no that I

1039
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 2: didn't mean to be fastidious about the year. I just

1040
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 2: think that also was when you were seeing Tina and

1041
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: Sarah Palin. Yes, and that's going to be relevant as well.

1042
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean that night was basically one of the days

1043
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: I decided to come out of the closet.

1044
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 2: Wow.

1045
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: I mean to be honest, I remember I got home

1046
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: from seeing U, S and L and I like sat

1047
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: on my bed and I like, oh gosh, what, I

1048
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: like cried. I cried because I wanted to get out

1049
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: of my situation so bad and I was so unhappy,

1050
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: and I was so convinced I could do more. I

1051
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: was like, I know I'm better than this. I just

1052
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: know I'm better than not speaking to people. I know,

1053
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm better than not doing what I'm capable of doing,

1054
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: Like I know I can do something, and like seeing

1055
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: everyone there like engaged in what they were doing and

1056
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: excited and the energy around that, I was just like

1057
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: I literally decided in that night. I was like, I'm

1058
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: gonna try to internal transfer into Tish and I'm definitely

1059
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: gonna come out of the closet because I can't do

1060
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: this anymore. I can't allow myself to be a prisoner

1061
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: like I've come so far. My parents are spending so

1062
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: much money for me to go to this school. I'm

1063
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: going to hide in my room like and even just

1064
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: like not make friends and just go to the SNL

1065
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: standby line every weekend. I knew that was a crutch.

1066
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: It was something I could do to waste a lot

1067
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: of time because I love that show so much. But

1068
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: I also like wasn't making friends because I was scared,

1069
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: because I was scared, Like I mean, and ultimately I would,

1070
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, triumph in that and like come out of

1071
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: the closet and we all would. But it was hard.

1072
00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: It was really hard at that time, and I remember

1073
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: I sat in my bed cried and I googled the

1074
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: person that I respected more than anyone else, and that

1075
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: was Amy Poehler. And I saw that she was in

1076
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: her improv group in college, and I saw that she

1077
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: started something called the UCB and I signed up for

1078
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: a class and I said, next year, I'm definitely getting

1079
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: into a group. I'm definitely getting into a group at

1080
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: my school. I will and I did.

1081
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: That's amazing. That's beautiful. And also you that show spurring

1082
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Speaker 2: you to come out of the closet and be yeah,

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Speaker 2: yourself is amazing because I think Andy Samberg had an

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00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: effect on you both artistically and physically, you know what

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Speaker 2: I was thinking. One of the handsomest men in the world.

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Speaker 1: I love Andy Samberg. Also, like this was a time

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Speaker 1: where the digital chorts were really popping off.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, me, this was this was a era.

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Speaker 1: This was a great era of SNL and it changed

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Speaker 1: my life. It really did for so many reasons. I'm

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Speaker 1: so grateful I went to that and allowed like that

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Speaker 1: to change. But anyways, what else Avatar, Avatar.

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Speaker 2: Top grossing Film, Avatar, Best Picture, hurt Locker. That was

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00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 2: an intense year, that was well there, that's the only

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Speaker 2: James Cameron Katheryn Biglow like matchup.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that was the showdown of the X's Yes

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Speaker 1: and Katherine Bigelow one Best Director, first ever woman to

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Speaker 1: win the award. It's apropos on This Morning, presented by

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Speaker 1: Barbara Stris say that things things have changed so much.

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Speaker 1: I mean claps to Justine Trier, you know. And just

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00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago we had two women nominated

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Speaker 1: for Best Director. So it's amazing. I'm sorry about the

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Speaker 1: Greta thing, but like it's great. And it was presented

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Speaker 1: by Barbara Streisan, which was a moment. And yeah, the

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Speaker 1: hurt Locker won six Oscars, Avatar won three. This was

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Speaker 1: also the year of Sandra Bullock's Oscar win, which was

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00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: controversial at the time. I think has held up a

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00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: little bit better, he thinks, so, I think, because she

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Speaker 1: has gone on to sleigh so hard. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I remember.

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00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: The Blindside feeling like, okay, we're giving the movie star

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Speaker 1: of the Oscar. But then you see gravity. A couple

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00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: of years later, it talked to me like, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, like.

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Speaker 2: Tell me something, tell me something. Other notable films Inglorious Bastards,

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00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 2: Precious Up nine, very important movie for You.

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Speaker 1: Nine is a movie I saw twice in theaters and

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Speaker 1: I felt very seen by Kate Hudson. Absolutely and Fergie

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00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: and the feel around Fergie. By the way, we have

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Speaker 1: to this was Fergie's year. Yeah, oh my god, this

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Speaker 1: is a great year for the Black Eyed Peas. Oh,

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00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: for sure, the Black Eyed Peas were in the culture.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. An Education a movie that I took myself to

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00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: see on a day that I had off from school.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna go take myself to a

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Speaker 2: movie and my first Carry Mulligan exposure, and I was like, who,

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01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with this girl.

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget one of your most iconic Instagram bios.

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01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: I am as pretty as Kerry Mulligan. Please confirm he's confirm,

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Speaker 1: Please confirm.

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01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: The Hangover Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince an

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01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 2: important installment of the Harry Potter story.

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Speaker 1: The death of Dumbledore. No, he does he die in

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Speaker 1: Half Blood Prints? Or does he Snape die in Half

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Speaker 1: Blood Prints?

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Speaker 2: Snape dies at the end of Deathly Hallies? No he doesn't,

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Speaker 2: Yeah he does?

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Speaker 1: Does he?

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Speaker 2: Half Blood Prints is one thousand percent Dumbledore being killed?

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01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: You should say, Okay, you're right, you're right. You're right.

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01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: The way that Bowen Yang is looking at me right now,

1142
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: he's saying, I'm not looking at you, just saying, honey,

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01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: you know I read Harry Potter books every now, No

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Speaker 1: what come out of the classet as a Harry Potter

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Speaker 1: Daily reader, as a Joey Anne Kathleen Apologize Dan, Death

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Speaker 1: of Dumbledore, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Death of Dumbledore. Okay, let's go back quickly. In music,

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Speaker 2: other top selling albums Dreamed a Dream by Susan Boyle.

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01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: Was this the year of Susan Boyle or was that viral?

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01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 2: I mean that talk about a viral moment? Was that

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01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight or two thousand night?

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01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: And I think her virality was two thousand and eight.

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01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: Her album was two. But does Susan Boyle phenomenon open

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01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: the door for Adele?

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01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 2: Very No? I mean, I don't think you're wrong.

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01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: Susan Boyle walked so Adele could run. It's actually a

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Speaker 1: really coacher number one hundred Susan lost. Meanwhile, nineteen comes

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01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: out in two thousand and eight. Adele being on SNL

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Speaker 1: as two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 2: Shut up, I'm sorry, I'm just saying I think Susan

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Speaker 2: Boyle and Adele though are sort of cosmically linked in

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Speaker 2: a way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they are. They should do it. They should do

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Speaker 1: a conversation and it should be filmed.

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Speaker 2: They should do an Actors on actors, neither of them actors.

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Speaker 1: British on Tusay's drinking wine.

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Speaker 2: I hope Susan Boyle as well.

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Speaker 1: I think she's fine.

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01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: I am Sasha Fears the Fame, Hannah Montana, the movie

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Speaker 2: soundtrack and the E n D by Black Eyed Peas.

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01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Black Eyed Peas.

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Speaker 1: The Black Eyed Peas had a number one hit on

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Speaker 1: the Building. I got one hundred for this year for

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01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: twenty six weeks cumulatively. I got a feeling and it

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01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: was a number one hit for fourteen weeks. Wow Boom

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01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: Boom Pow was a number one hit for twelve twelve weeks.

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Speaker 1: Boom Boom Pow, Boom boom How sure? I mean, you're incredulous.

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Speaker 1: You find it incredulous that Boom Boom po had such

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Speaker 1: a choke hold on the culture. That I will say

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Speaker 1: I got a feeling was that song. It was definitely giving,

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01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: Like this is the song we're gonna play for the

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01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: trailer for like Valentine's day. You know what I mean.

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01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: It's like I gotta feeling, but I got a feeling.

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01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: Is like the pregame song. It is the pregame song.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like that concept kind of for me

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Speaker 1: at least.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying. My personal experience two thousand and nine

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01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: was really when I started to embrace the pregame because

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Speaker 2: this was call it, this is freshman year of college.

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Speaker 2: I was getting I was like drinking with other students

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01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 2: for the first time. I didn't really do it that

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01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 2: much in high school. This was a huge cultural and

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Speaker 2: personal moment for me.

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Speaker 1: And I got to remember the pre game for the

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01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: Violet Ball. Oh my god, well we did a post

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Speaker 1: game for the Violotball. We did a pre end post

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Speaker 1: game because I remember we This was also right around

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Speaker 1: the time when we discovered marijuana and we were like,

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Speaker 1: let's smoke and then go to the Violet Ball. The

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Speaker 1: Violet Ball was like ny US like yearly social describe it.

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01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: It was like a like a nice prom and that

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01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: wasn't totally real, but it was a social and it

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01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: was at BOP's Library, was it not. It was at Bobs. Yeah,

1204
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: I remember. We were all so excited to go to Bobs.

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01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: It was my like second time at Boabs. I remember

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Speaker 1: me being like, I remember one of our conversations. Fun

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Speaker 1: was like, I've never been to Bobs and you were like,

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Speaker 1: I'm at Bobs every day every day. I was at

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Speaker 1: Boaks Library every day four years. Yeah, you really worked

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Speaker 1: very hard in college, not really, but bo when you

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Speaker 1: were about actually every day.

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Speaker 2: Actually, no, I did.

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01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: Don't do that to yourself. You worked so hard.

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01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: I was slaying organic chemistry. I was. I was in

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01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 2: grad classes by my senior year. Yeah, you're so smart whatever.

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01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: And you were at Bots every day. You knew exactly

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01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: where the bathroom was at the Violet Ball from attending

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01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 1: boats study sessions. Right, I was like, where am I going? Matt?

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Speaker 2: Do you want to battle off more of these number

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Speaker 2: one hits?

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Speaker 1: Sure? Number one hits from the year two thousand and

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Speaker 1: nine three by Britney Spears.

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01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 2: Great song Crack a.

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Speaker 1: Bottle by Eminem I don't even know what that is, baby,

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01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: Oh you Downtown, Down, Down, Down, Love down? What says

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01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine more than this next one? In

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Speaker 1: New York? The perfect song about that that doesn't We

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01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: were in New York, Baby, We were in New York

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01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 1: Grammatically it didn't make sense, but it was an amazing

1230
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: so concrete jungle where might be title of app Fireflies

1231
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: by Dual City. This was about ten thousand fire flies.

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01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: You know who loved this?

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01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 2: Taylor Taylor, Oh my god, absolutely just dance Lady Gaga

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01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 2: three weeks and number one and two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 2: My Life would Stuck Without You two weeks.

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01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarson My Life What's Up Without You? Was number

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01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: one hit for two weeks. It broke her own record

1238
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: for biggest jump to number one.

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01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 2: Did you just rattle that off off the top of

1240
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: your head, Yes, that's amazing.

1241
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: It went from I believe, I believe a moment like this,

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01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: went from ninety seven to number one and then I think,

1243
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: my life looks up without you was like number ninety

1244
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: eight to number one and like.

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01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 2: Wow, poker Face being number one for one week is

1246
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 2: shocking to me, but I believe it.

1247
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: There are so many songs you think are going to

1248
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: be number ones and then you look back and they

1249
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: were not, Like, it's kind of shocking. This was also

1250
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: the intro to Kesha. She would only start her solo

1251
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: career next year, and you know we'll be talking about

1252
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: k e Dollar sign ha in twenty ten single Ladies.

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01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: Single Ladies one of the most what you say by

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01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: Jason Derulo ahead of the curve in terms of the

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Speaker 1: image and heap effication of pop music. Ab Absolutely, that

1256
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: is a really good way to put it, the image

1257
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: of heapification of pop music.

1258
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 2: Like we're still in it. Taylor is deep, Deil Taylor

1259
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 2: and Ari are still influenced by Imagen Imagen.

1260
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: You can see her image and music a period and

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01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: heaps of music that's really touch Number thirty Imagen. You

1262
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: can see her image in heaps of music. That's one

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01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: of my best ever.

1264
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 2: That's one of our best.

1265
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: Ever television of the time, Bowen talk about it.

1266
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 2: Emmy for Outstating Drama mad Men for the second consecutive year,

1267
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 2: Emmy for Outstanding Comedy thirty Rock for the third consecutive year,

1268
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 2: and that was like I think that was also the

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01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 2: fourth season of the show.

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01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah Shows, No No, No, I think it was the

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01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 1: third season because I remember they won their first year

1272
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: and didn't stop winning. These two shows had a.

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01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 2: Choke hold, absolutely, and there was a lot of crossover

1274
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 2: between the two as well. Yeah and John Slattery great

1275
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 2: great shows. We love them. Outstanding TV movie, Great Gardens, Wow,

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01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 2: Drew and.

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01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: Drew and Jessica. Well, I like a moment where this

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01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: was like Drew's first big, like prestige moment. Yeah, and

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01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: then it never it didn't contact happen again. But I

1280
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: remember Drew was so great in this. It was a

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01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: little eadie. I mean, she like she slayed, she slayed

1282
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: and speaking it was the first half it for the day.

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01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: It's my impression of Drew Marry Morris, her impression to

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01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 1: that crazy lady.

1285
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 2: What was It's my imitation of Drew barrymore impression that

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Speaker 2: crazy lady.

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Speaker 1: My husband and I answer clue.

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01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 2: Okay, talk about these premieres, Okay.

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Speaker 1: These following shows, which would all be culturally important, began

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01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine RuPaul's Drag Race, Wow, Late

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01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: Night with Jimmy fallon Glee, Wow, Watch What Happens Live, Wow,

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01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: Modern Family, The Good Wife, and Jersey Shore. Now. RuPaul's

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Speaker 1: Drag Race did not have an immediate cultural impact, but

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01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: this was obviously the year that Boebe's a Hard of

1295
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: been a one. I just I have to say it

1296
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: was also with you that I started watching the show.

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01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: It would be the next year, but I just have

1298
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: to say, remember when RuPaul's Drag Race was on Logo

1299
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 1: and it was just lube commercials like about the days, Yes,

1300
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: it was miss for queers. Yeah, And it's just so

1301
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: interesting like other things on this list too, like these

1302
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: things that were so for fag gets, like Lady Gaga

1303
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: on RuPaul's Drag Race that would then ultimately become Oscars

1304
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 1: and Emmy's you know what I mean, Like these things

1305
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: that were so niche that people did not have any

1306
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,759
Speaker 1: clue what to do with years later they would truly

1307
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: find out what to do with them until they were

1308
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: like literally almost like both those things are like and

1309
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't say this in a pejorative but like for moms.

1310
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 2: Now, right, And that's not that's not a pejorative thing.

1311
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 2: It is the usual.

1312
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: So for fagus, both are still for fagus, but they're

1313
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: also for moms now.

1314
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 2: It's the sort of life cycle of social media as well.

1315
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 2: It's like Facebook is. Facebook starts out cool and for

1316
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 2: the kids until it becomes for moms. And no problem.

1317
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 2: Moms are the ultimate terminus for anything cultural.

1318
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: I think, oh in fifteen years when like Tate McCrae

1319
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: is for moms, way I can remember this conversation when

1320
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 1: Renee rap is for moms, remember this conversation, and it

1321
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 1: will be beautiful.

1322
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 2: It'll be beautiful. These are shows that entered syndication, as

1323
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 2: in they reached one hundred episodes, Grey's Anatomy, The Hills,

1324
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 2: Laguta Beach, Law and Order SVU, and The Office. Yeah amazing.

1325
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean all those things are very indicative of this time.

1326
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: An Er ended this year, so this was ER ending

1327
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: and Gray's Anatomy sort of being the apex predator, as

1328
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: it were. One hospital drama falls another reign supreme, and

1329
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: I think Gray's Anatomy has kind of eaten ER.

1330
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,799
Speaker 2: Now, well it is, I think they announce at the Emmys.

1331
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 2: It is now in its twentieth season. I think it's

1332
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 2: surpassed Er pretty recently as the longest running medical drama.

1333
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 2: Right yeah. American Idol winners Chris Allen with runner up

1334
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:11,839
Speaker 2: Adam Lambert.

1335
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: Wow, this was also a time when American Idol was

1336
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: the number one show and it was not close. This

1337
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: was still the era of and also not for nothing,

1338
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 1: but Adam Lambert on American Idol was.

1339
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 2: Also a gay moment revelationary.

1340
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: I remember he performed Feeling good on American Idol, and

1341
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: I remember he wore like a white suit and walked

1342
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 1: his gay ass slowly down a huge staircase, and I

1343
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: remember being like, this gay guy is turning up on

1344
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 1: this show and he will not win, but lo and behold.

1345
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 2: But he didn't win, But like, but he did, but

1346
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 2: he has the cultural staying power that like Chris Allen didn't.

1347
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that Interestingly? I feel like Chris Allen winning

1348
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: American Idol like certainly speaks to the fact that we

1349
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: were well, It's like he was definitely talented, but it

1350
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: wasn't what Adam Lambert could do.

1351
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 2: But then, like I think before the end of the year,

1352
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,719
Speaker 2: Adam Lambert did come out with his album but y'all

1353
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,759
Speaker 2: entertain man? Oh yeah, that was a county album, Cunty County.

1354
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: What do you want from Me?

1355
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:22,480
Speaker 2: Wow?

1356
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 1: Originally for Pink Wow.

1357
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,879
Speaker 2: Paula Abdul's stepped down as judge. Her replacement is announced

1358
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,799
Speaker 2: as Ellen DeGeneres l Ol that did not go good,

1359
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 2: No eer erited series finale, as we said, Matt TV

1360
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 2: edited series finale. Oprah announced that she will end her

1361
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: talk show in twenty eleven. Yeah, okay, very interesting.

1362
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: And then obviously like you can't really talk about two

1363
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: thousand and nine without talking about two things. And I

1364
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: would say that's like death of Michael Jackson. I think

1365
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 1: we all remember where we were, yep, and Obama being

1366
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: fucking sworn in, Like the Obama story is more two

1367
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, right, Like I just remember that feeling like,

1368
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: and it's it's really interesting. We pulled this year out

1369
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: for so many reasons because it did feel like when

1370
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: he became president, like it was sworn in and that

1371
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: you were starting, and it felt like there was so

1372
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: much good news about like same sex marriage being embraced

1373
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: around the country and him even starting to embrace it,

1374
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: and just maybe it was us being at NYU and

1375
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,839
Speaker 1: like us like finding our ways out of the closet

1376
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: or getting there or being halfway in out whatever. This

1377
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:34,520
Speaker 1: year really felt like there was so much promise and potential,

1378
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: even with Gaga, you know what I mean. It's like

1379
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: this new fucking like throwback to David Bowie that's coming out,

1380
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 1: like Obama being elected, like so much culturally encouraging stuff.

1381
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I wish I internalized that optimism more because

1382
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 2: I feel like I've really forgotten that the literal emotion

1383
01:13:58,280 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 2: of that. But well it's.

1384
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: Easy to now, of course, remember being optimistic. How sad

1385
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: is that?

1386
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 2: How sad is that? Where were you and Michael Jackson died?

1387
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 1: I was at work? Me too. I was at work.

1388
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: I was working at a seafood restaurant on Long Island.

1389
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: It was a very interesting time because, like I said,

1390
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: I was in a relationship or something that I was

1391
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: keeping a secret with someone I worked with and was

1392
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:28,560
Speaker 1: much older than me. And I remember Michael Jackson. I

1393
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: found out he died at work. And then also the

1394
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,560
Speaker 1: funeral was playing when I was at work, and I

1395
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: remember we weren't playing music, we were just playing the

1396
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: funeral and we would never do that for anyone else

1397
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: With Michael Jackson. Yeah, it was I mean, it was

1398
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: the death of Beyond a cultural icon. And this was

1399
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 1: a really interesting time too because everyone was it was

1400
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: like worldwide grief. But also there's that weirdness in the

1401
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: air about like the fact that he had you know,

1402
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: it was like the allegations of him and his predatory

1403
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: behavior was really also hanging in there right.

1404
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 2: Well, it was just it was tragedy on top of

1405
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 2: tragedy on top of tragedy between like his upbringing and

1406
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 2: then the way that death transpired in the way and

1407
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 2: like his legacy being very compromised. It was just layers

1408
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 2: of devastation.

1409
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 1: You remember Nicki Minaja's iconic lyric like MJ Doctor the

1410
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: killing me.

1411
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 2: Prope a fall, They really hope a fall.

1412
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: This also was the year we lost Britney Murphy. Hmm.

1413
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 2: I was about's library when that happened, when I heard,

1414
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I know sad for many reasons.

1415
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: Sonya sot of my Oars swown in as a subreom

1416
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: court justice. She would go on to speak at our

1417
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: graduation and then we forget her first words.

1418
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 2: This is awesome, This is awesome. Yeah, it's so good

1419
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 2: to be in the Bronx.

1420
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 1: Sonia Soniah. Yeah. Natasha Richardson passed, so did be Arthur

1421
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 1: and Farah Fawcet. Not a good year for actresses living.

1422
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was the vice president. Democrats had a fifty

1423
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 1: nine seat majority in the Senate. We missed that Sarah

1424
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: Palin resigned as governor. A political storm.

1425
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 2: At large. I like this section. Read some of these.

1426
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: The Walt Disney Company acquires Marvel Entertainment. This at the

1427
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: time didn't feel like a big deal because this was

1428
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: a time when like DC was sort of slang and

1429
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 1: Marvel was kind of flopped, like no one was checking

1430
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: for Marvel. But also Iron Man had just come out,

1431
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: and like there was a little bit of a tickle

1432
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 1: in the Marvel idea.

1433
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 2: Well, there was a lot of importance around this at

1434
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 2: the time. Like I remember reading so many pieces on

1435
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 2: like I think it was a Kotaku or like Gker.

1436
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Gawker is like that is two thousand and nine,

1437
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 2: the house doone, the house down, like Gawker. The two

1438
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 2: thousand and nine was a Gawker original Gawker peak. For

1439
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 2: me at least, it was like Richard Lawson writing all

1440
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 2: this stuff. Richard Lawson, I remember that summer of two

1441
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 2: thousand and nine left Goker and wrote his goodbye his

1442
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 2: farewell post through the voice of at the time famous

1443
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 2: New York socialite Tinsley Mortimer. MM.

1444
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: Like that was like the level of like that's where

1445
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: we were at, well, that's where we were at, And

1446
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, Goker feels like this really

1447
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: exciting place like on the Internet, where like people are

1448
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 1: funny and cheeky and these like it just I really

1449
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 1: miss that time the internet specifically, it was like Twitter

1450
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: kind of starting out. Oh yeah, this was two thousand

1451
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: and eight, I members when I became really aware of Twitter.

1452
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And two thousand and nine was when

1453
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 2: I started my account, I think, and it was just

1454
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 2: a fun, fun place for the most part. I remember

1455
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 2: like Michael Ian Black was like a Twitter celebrity to

1456
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 2: me and he mentioned me one time and it was

1457
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 2: the most stars. It was the closest to fame that

1458
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 2: I had ever felt. It was like Michael Ian Black,

1459
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 2: I acknowledged me on Twitter, Isn't that's so funny?

1460
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: I remember thinking Ashton Kutcher created it.

1461
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 2: Oh, that's funny.

1462
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: And when he was out talking about it so much,

1463
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: Remember Ashton Kutcher and Twitter were like, that wasn't the

1464
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: era of Ashton? And to me too, it was like

1465
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 1: what was more synonymous Ashton and to me or Ashton

1466
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 1: and Twitter? You could not tell me.

1467
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 2: That's interesting. It was also Twitter. I think early days

1468
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 2: of Twitter specifically two thousand and nine was I'm gonna

1469
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 2: say a name. She was the Queen of Twitter, Katy Perry.

1470
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 2: She was on it all day every day, just but

1471
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 2: being funny on it like I remember this so well.

1472
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: I couldn't stop laughing at this. A Katy Perry one

1473
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 2: time one day tweets I'm fucking walking down the street

1474
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 2: with my ice cream cone, enjoying my day. It was

1475
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 2: pithier than this, but she was like, I'm enjoying my

1476
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 2: day with like walking down the street when a car

1477
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,759
Speaker 2: goes by and all the people and it shouted Zoey

1478
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 2: de Chanel, Fuck my life.

1479
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: This was this was FML. This was also the peak like,

1480
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: this was SML culture. This was FML culture, and where

1481
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: that tweet constituted an LOL reaction.

1482
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 2: Right where I was like, oh my god, the internet

1483
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 2: is so funny.

1484
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: Also the era of oh my god, Katy Perry and

1485
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 1: zoe de Chanelle looked so much alike. Meanwhile, years later,

1486
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: who would star in the video that satirized that concept?

1487
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: I would you and me and Dhari and Mitra.

1488
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 2: Happy Birthday, Mitra, Happy birthday, Meet Happy birthday, Queen. We

1489
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 2: love you. Let's see Bernie made Off, pleads guilty and

1490
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 2: the biggest Ponzi scheme in America. The effects of a

1491
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 2: Great Recession are deeply felt in the US. Despite ending

1492
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 2: in June of two thousand and nine.

1493
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: If you want to understand the recession, watch the movie

1494
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: Hustlers starring Jennifer Lopez. That's actually a really culture number

1495
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:24,799
Speaker 1: eighty eight. If you want to understand the Great Recession,

1496
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: watch the movie starring Jeffer Lopez.

1497
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 2: Swine flu is a global pandemic, the first covid. I

1498
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 2: had it.

1499
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 1: You had swine flu.

1500
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 2: I had swine flu.

1501
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: Okay, can I ask you a question because you know

1502
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 1: what now? I remember you saying this at the time

1503
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: and me being like, no, you don't. You doubted me,

1504
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 1: I did. I remember Bowen Yang was saying, I have

1505
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 1: swine flu. I have swine flu. Why the very because

1506
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,759
Speaker 1: I believed at the time that you wanted attention.

1507
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: That's so toxic.

1508
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: It was toxic.

1509
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 2: We weren't close friends at the time.

1510
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 1: I remember being the I think I sold Billy Domino

1511
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: like Bowen Yang does not have swine flu. He's lying.

1512
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:08,560
Speaker 2: Nicole Conlin, who we love and currently works at The

1513
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 2: Daily Show, came over to my apartment. God bless her,

1514
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 2: gave me achnatia bourbon and like all the tile and

1515
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 2: all in the world to help me go to sleep

1516
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,759
Speaker 2: and bounce back. I will, okay. I never got a diagnosed,

1517
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 2: but I was experiencing.

1518
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 1: No no, no no no no no no no no no

1519
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: no indicated no no no no no dashboard confessional singing.

1520
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 1: This is I had deep flu like symptoms during the

1521
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 1: peak of the swine flu pandemic.

1522
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 2: Don't yet, dare mean.

1523
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 1: You had swine flu? Had you gotten a positive.

1524
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 2: That I had swine flu? You are ridiculous.

1525
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't circulating around where we were, Yes, it was.

1526
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 2: It was a global pandemic.

1527
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: Bowen. Don't raise your voice with me. I'll come over

1528
01:21:59,240 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: there a smack.

1529
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 2: I'm not letting anywhere near my apartment. Bann bad.

1530
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Matt Rogers band.

1531
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 2: I can't believe we still haven't resolved this. This is crazy.

1532
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: I am living that this because I remember this is

1533
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 1: like maybe the third or fourth conflict we ever had.

1534
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:22,719
Speaker 1: Was I remember being like, he does not have.

1535
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:30,560
Speaker 2: Swine flow, you fool. I'm not having this apologize.

1536
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 1: I can I apologize to you. I'm extending my hand

1537
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: to you like Sandra did to poverty. I'm sorry, Bowen.

1538
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 2: There was a high likelihood that I had swine flu.

1539
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 1: And what does it matter that I did or did

1540
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 1: I was sick I was very sick for produce. Re

1541
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: Becca says she has it too. I think she's a

1542
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 1: liar as well.

1543
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 2: Why do you doubt I don't understand.

1544
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: I think you were a liar. Becca. No, Matt, No,

1545
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 1: I got that, She says, Okay, receipts are nothing. Receipts

1546
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: prove timeline strange.

1547
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 2: Fuck, that's Terrible's I think I had at the same fever.

1548
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think the launched in two thousand and nine,

1549
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 1: so I was an early adopter. See what I'm saying.

1550
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 1: This is the thing. This is what I'm like pointing out.

1551
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:27,799
Speaker 1: It's like this was the floodgates opening for gay people,

1552
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:31,799
Speaker 1: like and it was overwhelming. It was like not only

1553
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: being in New York, Gaga, Obama, drag grinder, Adam Lambert,

1554
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 1: Adam Lambert. It's like, oh my God, is gay in?

1555
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:44,679
Speaker 1: Because day was just so out. Two thousand and nine

1556
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: really was a big year for gay When you think

1557
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 1: about two thousand and seven and nine, gay was out,

1558
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: then gay started to be in. And I was just like,

1559
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: hold on a second, let me emotionally catch up here,

1560
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure you guys just wanted to kill

1561
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 1: me fifteen minutes ago. Do you want me to come

1562
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 1: second on idol, I don't think so, honey.

1563
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 2: I remember one of my first Grinder meetups WHOA was

1564
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 2: when my sister was out of town. I was roommate

1565
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 2: with my sister my freshman year of college health she

1566
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 2: was out of town and a guy I was talking

1567
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 2: to on Grinder was like, I'll come over, and I

1568
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 2: was like, this is my address, and then he comes

1569
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 2: over and I think he sees a picture of Ying

1570
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 2: or something. I don't think she knows this sees the

1571
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 2: picture of Ying and I don't remember his name, but

1572
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 2: he was like, I know your sister.

1573
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: No.

1574
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: She was like, this is too weird. I know Yang.

1575
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 2: We can't hook up. I'm so sorry. And I was

1576
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 2: like really He was like, yeah, this is just you

1577
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 2: sound like her too. It was all this stuff. And

1578
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 2: we were sitting on my couch in that apartment on

1579
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,640
Speaker 2: sixth Street and Avenue and I'm talking about and this

1580
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 2: was one of my first Isn't that so funny? My

1581
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 2: first Grinder one of my first meetups at a time

1582
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 2: when gay culture was also very different, where it was

1583
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 2: the time of no fats, no fems, no Asians. It

1584
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 2: was that was a very different the etiquette, the rules

1585
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 2: of engagement on these apps was I mean, not that

1586
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 2: it's gotten that much more orderly, and it's fine, it

1587
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be, but like back then, it was

1588
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 2: the wild wild West.

1589
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine you experienced a lot of abuse

1590
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: on there.

1591
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 2: One thousand percent and like Asian people really I think

1592
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 2: like took it, took it. It's so wild.

1593
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: But that was that was the beginning of Grinder, and

1594
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: like it just you learned within and for any gay

1595
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: man or for anyone who used that app, m hm,

1596
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 1: you learned pretty quickly what the value system was, m right,

1597
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: in a way that like you didn't necessarily understand if

1598
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: you went to like a gay bar or if you

1599
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:57,919
Speaker 1: watched like, you know, fucking what's.

1600
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 2: That show like Queer as Folk or something, you know

1601
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like the desirability politics were immediately

1602
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 2: set when Grinder launched.

1603
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 1: Yes, well, we had almost no representation, so that just

1604
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 1: allowed these niche areas where we were communicating to be

1605
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:18,600
Speaker 1: the only way to talk about it, you know what

1606
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: I mean. And like, because there was no representation of

1607
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 1: like diverse queerness at the time, it probably did filter

1608
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:29,520
Speaker 1: down to well, if you're not being depicted as attractive

1609
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 1: You're not, you know.

1610
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,599
Speaker 2: Like if you're not attractive, then like there isn't really

1611
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 2: a place for you. But I was, you know, you

1612
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 2: want to know something, I was using Craigslist. I was

1613
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 2: using Craigslist to hook up with people. Mm hmm, Like

1614
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 2: this was the time of Craigslist.

1615
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: I think you've told me that before. Other friends of

1616
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,640
Speaker 1: mine have said the same of ours. I said the

1617
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: same thing. So was it just you'd go on Craigslist

1618
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:55,759
Speaker 1: and like respond to a post or would you post?

1619
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 2: I would never post.

1620
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 1: I didn't. No, I did a few times, but like

1621
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: it was just really scary to like receive, like anyone

1622
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: could reach out to you and send you really jarring things,

1623
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 1: whether or not you wanted it. So I would What

1624
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: I would usually do is like respond to people. You

1625
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 1: would trade.

1626
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 2: Pictures over email over like you know, proxy accounts, proxy

1627
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 2: email addresses, and then you would like arrange in the

1628
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 2: meet up. There was just a lot of like it's

1629
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 2: just like Grinder now. It's just like the apps now,

1630
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 2: it's like there's a lot of like setup and like

1631
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 2: Craigslist was kind of like the only thing in town

1632
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,719
Speaker 2: until Grinder came along, and I didn't use Adam for Adam,

1633
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 2: I didn't use the like the more legacy platforms, but Grinder,

1634
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 2: I think really the fact that it was on your

1635
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 2: phone really fucking blew the gates open.

1636
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: Mm hm. Totally unregulated too, which now it feels odd

1637
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 1: to say this, but the apps are very regulated now.

1638
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 1: But that's because there's a deep need for it, because

1639
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: it's not a safe environment.

1640
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 2: No, no, it's inherently somewhat dangerous if you're putting yourself

1641
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 2: out there in any sexual way. I don't know, there's

1642
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 2: just some danger, that's all.

1643
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: Like, here's what I'll say. I was not Ungrinder then.

1644
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be on Grinder until like twenty sixteen, twenty

1645
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 1: seventeen really and was rarely on the apps. I was,

1646
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: as at the time, very afraid of sex two thousand nine,

1647
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 1: as also of the year unfortunately I was assaulted. It's

1648
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 1: taken a very long time. I don't think it was

1649
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 1: until twenty seventeen that I understood that that's what that was.

1650
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: It was during the Me Too era that I realized

1651
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,839
Speaker 1: I recognized a lot of the conversations that were happening,

1652
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 1: and I realized that where I recognized it from was that.

1653
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 2: It had happened to me.

1654
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,839
Speaker 1: Yes, So looking back, one of the things I always

1655
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: feel disappointed about and like about my college experiences that

1656
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't out there more. Like I always tell myself,

1657
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 1: it's like that scarcity thing where it's like, oh, when

1658
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 1: you were young, you should have been out there doing

1659
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: this and doing that. But like, I think that was

1660
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 1: another reason for my anxiety around gayness and around like

1661
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 1: thrusting myself into this world and why it was so

1662
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:27,759
Speaker 1: hard is because I was confused about whether to trust

1663
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: gay people or not, you know what I mean. Like

1664
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 1: I I was bullied very badly when I first got

1665
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 1: to NYU by gay men.

1666
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 2: I remember these specific bullies as well.

1667
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 1: And I also had trusted one and been taken advantage of.

1668
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 2: And so oh my god, we both have a name

1669
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 2: that we were both yeah yeah, yeah, wow, that's so funny.

1670
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like and then I remember I came

1671
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 1: back to school and like had you know, gained like

1672
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: some confidence and some power. But I filtered all of

1673
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 1: that into like the comedy and the friendships, and none

1674
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 1: of that into my romantic and sexual life because I

1675
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:17,480
Speaker 1: was so scared of sex. I was scared of interacting

1676
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 1: with other gay men and mass you really were one

1677
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 1: of my only gay friends.

1678
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 2: But can we just say, and maybe we haven't really

1679
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 2: acknowledged this. Us being in these comedy groups was a

1680
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 2: lifeline for both of them totally. I mean, we'll talk

1681
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 2: about this so whenever we talk about you do as anty.

1682
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 2: But like I remember going to NYU being like, if

1683
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 2: I don't get on this improv group, I will have

1684
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 2: no way of making friends.

1685
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: I think I felt really similarly, or I was concerned

1686
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 1: about I put all my chips in it. Yeah, I

1687
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 1: felt the same way when you actually made it in

1688
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 1: your first Yeah, I remember like, so I had sworn

1689
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 1: myself to like this thing. I was like, I'm gonna

1690
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 1: do what Amy Poeher did. And then in two thousand

1691
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: and nine, when I went to my Danger Box audition

1692
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 1: for the improv group and I tease you because you

1693
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,639
Speaker 1: were there and we had an interaction and I didn't

1694
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: make it, I was really scared because I was like, Okay,

1695
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 1: that's one down, there's only one other one.

1696
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 2: And I was not at the time.

1697
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: I was not at the time a self starter like

1698
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 1: Sudie didn't make it into Danger Box her first year,

1699
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: and she was enough of a self starter to start

1700
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:30,759
Speaker 1: her own group called Captain Soldier, which would then become

1701
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 1: its own thing, and she made her own way at

1702
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 1: the time, like I think I was so insecure and

1703
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: such a different version of myself. I don't think I

1704
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: would have been able to start my own comedy group.

1705
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: So it was really important for me and I think

1706
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 1: for you too, to make it into this thing that

1707
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 1: was like established and we could join and I could

1708
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: like coulde switch my way in? I never pretended to

1709
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 1: be straight there, but I was always very good at

1710
01:31:58,000 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 1: playing with boys.

1711
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 2: Right, you were, well, so were you?

1712
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 1: We want to know why, because we took a lot

1713
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 1: of shit.

1714
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:05,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you way.

1715
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 1: Worse than me. Was this also the year of our wedding?

1716
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 2: No, I think that was anode.

1717
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:12,600
Speaker 1: We don't have to get that, we don't have to

1718
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 1: get into somebody to say we were playing boy ball,

1719
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: and that was actually like comfortable for us.

1720
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 2: Right, And at the time, it was like, well, this

1721
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,719
Speaker 2: beats the alternative, which is that we're not in these

1722
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 2: groups at all, and that we have no outlet for

1723
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 2: this thing that we this art form that we love

1724
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 2: and want to do and want to start early.

1725
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just knew I needed to do comedy and

1726
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 1: it was more important for me to commit to that

1727
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 1: than to like figure out my gay inner and outer

1728
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 1: life because I was so stunted. Yeah so yeah, But

1729
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 1: no regrets, no regrets, not at all because ultimately, like

1730
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 1: that is how we met.

1731
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, and we've made like again deep friendships in

1732
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 2: these groups. Yeeah. We don't have to say names necessarily,

1733
01:32:58,360 --> 01:32:59,759
Speaker 2: but like we keep in touch with.

1734
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 1: Oh o oh my god. No, I have warmth in

1735
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 1: my heart for everyone from that time, obviously mostly you

1736
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 1: and Sudie, you know what I mean, Like ultimately.

1737
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 2: Like sure, I mean like when addressing for me, like

1738
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 2: she was the first part I reached out in April

1739
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 2: of two thousand and eight, before I even decided on NYU,

1740
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 2: or maybe right when I decided on NYU, And I

1741
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 2: was like, what's the process like for getting into these groups?

1742
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 2: And then she was like she reached out. She like

1743
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 2: we like joked back and forth like cosmically. That is

1744
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 2: crazy to me because it's like she and I would

1745
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 2: then work at s and now together and like righte

1746
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 2: Iceberg together, Like that is crazy to me, But we

1747
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 2: can get into this. In two thousand and eight.

1748
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was all two thousand and nine for me.

1749
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,599
Speaker 1: All my first in terms of all that was two

1750
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. Well I think we have very different

1751
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:49,599
Speaker 1: two thousand and eights. Yeah, yeah, But anyway, all this

1752
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 1: was two thousand and nine. This was such a blessing

1753
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 1: of a year to choose first.

1754
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 2: A deep reflection, would you say? Wouldn't you say?

1755
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 1: One? And now I'm getting the goblet out.

1756
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:07,879
Speaker 2: Okay, Goblet of Cultural Years is coming. It is actually

1757
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 2: an ice bucket, but that's okay.

1758
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 1: Can you hear the sounds of the goblin?

1759
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 2: Yes?

1760
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 1: Okay.

1761
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 2: I was telling him to Katie's Readers Publicist finalist that

1762
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 2: it's actually an ice bucket, but for the.

1763
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:21,759
Speaker 1: No, one's a goblet. Okay, are you ready?

1764
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:22,639
Speaker 2: I'm ready.

1765
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 1: The next year on next Week's Last Coach to be

1766
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 1: culturally Excavated is twenty seventeen. Wow. Wow, twenty seventeen. This

1767
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:38,640
Speaker 1: was just off the top of the dome. This was

1768
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 1: the year that Last Coach really became a thing. This

1769
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 1: was it was our second year. Yeah, but this was

1770
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 1: like the year that it like really became a thing.

1771
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say, like we can go through

1772
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 2: the episodes from that year and like, oh yeah, stroll

1773
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:58,760
Speaker 2: down memory lane. That's a good year. There's gonna be

1774
01:34:58,760 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 2: some darkness.

1775
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some darkness, there's going to be some

1776
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 1: light and that's just culture, baby. But look forward to

1777
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 1: that one next week, twenty seventeen. Brush up. That is

1778
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 1: the year that will be culturally excavated.

1779
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:17,719
Speaker 2: Wow, period down all. I forgot to mention DJ Earworm

1780
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 2: that is an incredible mashup, as we've talked about last week.

1781
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 2: But there's not much more to say. It's it's just

1782
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 2: an incredible mashup. But that was when he did like

1783
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 2: the top fifty songs of the year.

1784
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 1: Check it out, y'all. Check it out, y'all. It is

1785
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 1: time for I don't think so, honey.

1786
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 2: Yes, this is our one minute segment where we take

1787
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 2: a minute, as I've said, to go off on culture.

1788
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 2: Matthew has something I do. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers.

1789
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 2: I don't think so many as time starts now.

1790
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. If you're out there pronouncing

1791
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 1: it or spelling it like America Ferrara, her name is

1792
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 1: America Ferira. This woman has been famous for over twenty years.

1793
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 1: I am going to reputable websites and they're saying in

1794
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:19,719
Speaker 1: bold America Ferrara. This is not her name. Her name

1795
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 1: is America Ferira. It has been since she was born,

1796
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 1: and since she was born into the public thirsty seconds.

1797
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:29,720
Speaker 1: If you are saying Ferrara, it feels racist to me.

1798
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 1: Just learn this woman's name, America Ferira. It is an e,

1799
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:38,800
Speaker 1: not an a. Why am I going to these websites

1800
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 1: and seeing Ferrara? It just feels so lazy to me.

1801
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 1: This is one of the most famous people, like just

1802
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to see in the lead up to

1803
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:51,600
Speaker 1: the Oscars, and you know who's a spoiler of America Ferrara,

1804
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: Please please please call her by her name, America Ferira.

1805
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, America Ferrara.

1806
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 2: Here's who I don't think is dealing with this, Amber Tamlin,

1807
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 2: Alexis Bludell, Blake Lively.

1808
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:10,679
Speaker 1: It would be like calling her Alexis Bludole like it's

1809
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 1: not it's not It's Ferrera, not Ferrara. This has bothered

1810
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 1: me for such a long time, and this didn't happen

1811
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 1: today on Oscar nominations morning, which by the way, we're

1812
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 1: announced by Jack Quaide, who I was in Hammercats with

1813
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 1: at Nyu and Zassy beats who we love. But it's

1814
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:34,639
Speaker 1: just so funny because literally I was like, who's announcing?

1815
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 1: I was like jack oh wow, like that that blew

1816
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 1: my mind. Like again, it all goes back to fucking

1817
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about. He was in that group

1818
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 1: with me anyways, just so funny, fun Jackie America Ferrera

1819
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:52,679
Speaker 1: is her name. Her name is not America Ferrara. I

1820
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:56,639
Speaker 1: think that it is a demerit on you personally going

1821
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 1: forward if you call her America Ferrara, it is not

1822
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 1: that that is not her name. Please say this woman's

1823
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:06,679
Speaker 1: name correctly. Thank you. She's an Oscar nominee, Emmy winner,

1824
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 1: coming for the egot Quimo. All right, bon Yang, I

1825
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:13,360
Speaker 1: put to you now your opportunity to do it. I

1826
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Do you have something I do?

1827
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 2: I do slay and a half.

1828
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 1: All right, here's bone Yang's I don't think so money

1829
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:22,519
Speaker 1: coming on you fast time starts now.

1830
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey.

1831
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 1: Putting tape on coffee cup lids because guess what, the

1832
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 1: hole is gonna be sticky with adhesive and I don't

1833
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 1: want to put my mouth on that. And taste a

1834
01:38:35,320 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 1: POxy with my cold brew. Okay, I want pure coffee

1835
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:44,719
Speaker 1: and there are already microplastics in every corner of the world.

1836
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call out my Starbucks, my not my dunkin

1837
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 1: Donuts is because they've got the straws thirty seconds. If

1838
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 1: we're not gonna do straws, which I respect, you can't

1839
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 1: cover the hole with sticky shit, because then what's gonna

1840
01:38:58,320 --> 01:38:59,680
Speaker 1: happen is I got to take off the lid and

1841
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 1: sip from the rim like I'm at a restaurant where

1842
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm on the go, or I have to

1843
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 1: pour it into another contain and you're making me do

1844
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: physical and emotional labor in that same breath. And you

1845
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 1: need to govern your ass. Five secay, don't put the

1846
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: tape on. I know you're trying to protect spillage, but

1847
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:21,599
Speaker 1: it doesn't need to be that. Put the little sticky

1848
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,080
Speaker 1: circle on that's easy to pop off and that's what

1849
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 1: a minute, or just trust that I'm not gonna spill it,

1850
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 1: like stop. I hate that little tape. Do you know

1851
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? Am I crazy? No? I know

1852
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:33,640
Speaker 1: exactly what we're talking about. And every time I'm like

1853
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:34,599
Speaker 1: that green tape.

1854
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 2: It doesn't come off easy. I'm like, what are we

1855
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 2: doing here?

1856
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. It feels like something that

1857
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 1: we don't need to produce end mass. It's like this, It.

1858
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:47,599
Speaker 2: Can't be more sustainable than that little paper sticky circle

1859
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:50,160
Speaker 2: that you kind of just like flick off and it's

1860
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 2: I don't think.

1861
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 1: We need either of them though. Why do we need

1862
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 1: the hole on top of the that tiny hole on

1863
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 1: top of the iced coffee covered? And I don't get it.

1864
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:01,479
Speaker 2: Because I guess for this sometimes the delivery people, if

1865
01:40:01,479 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 2: it's a delivery, they don't want it to splash and

1866
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 2: splash in their bag. It's to help them.

1867
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:09,280
Speaker 1: I would rather have the lid that's like you know

1868
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 1: those plastic lids that like just have the little divot

1869
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 1: or in debt in them and you can do it yourself.

1870
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,240
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, I just feel like there is

1871
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 2: a better way.

1872
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 1: There's a better way.

1873
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 2: Period.

1874
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 1: Well, this has been I think an excellent episode of

1875
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:25,719
Speaker 1: Lost Coat.

1876
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 2: I think so I would have to agree.

1877
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 1: And to the doubters, yeah, you guys flopped. You've really flopped.

1878
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 1: Doubters forgot how good we are at this.

1879
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 2: And no one should doubt us on The Traders season three,

1880
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 2: four or five six, whatever they want us, we will

1881
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 2: be there. I think we're I mean they would they

1882
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 2: would bring all though we can't be on the same

1883
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 2: season because they would want to.

1884
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:51,599
Speaker 1: Bring No, we have to be on the same season.

1885
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:53,680
Speaker 1: I think that's the whole point. It's like, if they

1886
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 1: make one of us a Trader and one of us

1887
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 1: are faithful, that's iconic television. Yeah, but the Traders will

1888
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 1: want to kill one like you as a Trader will

1889
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 1: want to kill me, or the Table will want to

1890
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 1: banish you or I and split the group. It's Larsa

1891
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 1: and Marcus. I think we have to play together. That's

1892
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:11,240
Speaker 1: all I'm gonna say about that.

1893
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 2: I would love that, but I think that compromises both

1894
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 2: of us.

1895
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna continue this conversation off air. It's gonna continue

1896
01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 1: all day. Bonyang. Hope you feel better, thank you, And

1897
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 1: I hope those tonsols get sorted.

1898
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:31,639
Speaker 2: And by sorted, I mean snipped girl. I want them out, girl. Okay.

1899
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:35,639
Speaker 1: We end every episode with the song oh the single

1900
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 1: Ladies sing, Ladies up in the club just boom up,

1901
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 1: do them look nay to listen to that song? Get

1902
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 1: the album I am buy it on iTunes like it's

1903
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 1: two thousand and

1904
01:41:55,000 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 2: In the Sasha Fierce half of that album, five