1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Something strange is going on. Who is killing Russian billionaires? 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: Another Russian oligarch has been found dead. Reports suggests that 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: he hanged himself, fell out of. 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: A window, slashed his wrists, was poisoned, murdered his whole family. 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 2: Last year, more than a dozen Russian oligarchs died in 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 2: the space of nine months. Many of the debts are 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: suspicious with links to the Kremlin. This is sad Oligach, 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: an investigation into these recently dead Russian billionaires. It's created 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 2: by me Jake Hanrahan and my colleague Sergey Slipchenkov. Sad 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: Oligarch is a H eleven production for Kulso Media and iHeartRadio. 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 2: This case concerned someone a bit different. He died in Washington. 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: He was anti Poutine, he had connections to both US 13 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: political parties, and he's actually not e and Russian. He is, however, 14 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: dead and the circumstances around his death are really strange. 15 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: On August fourteenth, twenty twenty two, Latvian born Dan Rappaport, 16 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 2: fifty two, was in his luxury apartment in Washington, DC. 17 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: He lived in the city's West End, an upmarket area 18 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: with the finest restaurants hotels and condos. 19 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: Naturally, Rappaport was rich. 20 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: He made his money in a number of different ways, 21 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: including financial investments in which he oversaw large international projects 22 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: concerning US Russian oil cooperation. That evening, police in DC 23 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: got an alert on their patrol car radio. 24 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: There's been a jumper in the West End. 25 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: As they pulled up to the scene, a man was 26 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: found lying in a heap on the floor. He'd fallen 27 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: out of the window of his fancy apartment, plummeting nine 28 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: stories onto the pavement. 29 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: It was Dan Rappaport, of what was left. 30 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: Of him, He'd fallen around ninety feet to the concrete. 31 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: That's a serious fall. Around ninety nine percent of people 32 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: who fall that distance don't survive. Dan Rappaport was no exception. 33 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: He was pronounced dead on arrival at the hospital and 34 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: his pockets was two six hundred and ten dollars in cash, 35 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: a broken phone, and the lanyard with a key attached. 36 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: An autopsy report released in November twenty twenty two stated 37 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: that Rappaport died from multiple blunt force trauma injuries as 38 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: a result of the fall. However, his cause of death 39 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: was ruled as undetermined. His wife said he showed no 40 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: signs of depression and doesn't believe it was a suicide. 41 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: They'd made plans for the following day and Rappaport had 42 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: several business meetings scheduled. Police closed the case, but they 43 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: said they're open to further investigate if any tips come 44 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: in or further evidence appears. So, who was done, Rappaport 45 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: and why would you have any connection to the dead 46 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: Russians mentioned throughout this series. Let's start with the Soho 47 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 2: Rooms Rappaport nightclub. The Soho Rooms was a high end 48 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: nightclub in Moscow. It was opened by Rappaport in two 49 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: thousand and seven. Within a few years of its launch, 50 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: the club became somewhat of a mecca for Russia's rich, 51 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: cosmopolitan party scene. Situated in a trendy building that's a 52 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: mix of Art Deco and Soviet brutalism, the Soho Rooms 53 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: was the place to be if you wanted to flow 54 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: in your money and indulge in expensive taste. Reserving a 55 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: single table cost one hundred thousand rubles, which is over 56 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: one thousand US dollars. That's the average monthly wage for 57 00:03:55,040 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: your everyday Muscovite. International musicians performed regularly the Soho Rooms, 58 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: including Johnny Depp and his awful band Hollywood Vampires. It 59 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: became the go to club for it girls, politicians, and businessmen. 60 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: If you like fine dining, strong drugs, and expensive liquor, 61 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: the Soho Rooms was the place to be. It became 62 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: synonymous with Russia's party elite. It was very well known. 63 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: If you weren't there on Friday or Saturday night, he 64 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: didn't matter. Rappaport himself was by no means a silent 65 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 2: partner in all of this. He loved the nightlife, the 66 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 2: seeing the money. By all accounts, he basked in the 67 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: glory of running a club for the elite. According to 68 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: a Russian journalist familiar with the culture of the Soho Rooms, 69 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: Rappaport knew everyone that mattered, and everyone that mattered knew him. 70 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: It was a legend in Russia's party scene. The Soho 71 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 2: Rooms expanded with franchises across Russia and won in Dubai. Naturally, 72 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 2: the club turned over big profits. Rappaport lived a lavish 73 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: lifestyle and apparently he owned several million dollar apartments around Moscow. 74 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: Clearly life was good, or at least it was until 75 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: Rappaport had to flee Russia due to his anti pootin activity. However, 76 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: how serious him fleeing was at the time is up 77 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: for debate, as Rappaport allegedly returned to Russia several times 78 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 2: after being apparently forced to leave. He continued to build 79 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: what was considered a cult following amongst the party scene 80 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: until the Soho rooms was closed down in twenty eighteen. 81 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: At this time, the Russian ruble was at one of 82 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 2: its highest values. Rappaport was making a killing four years later, 83 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: though he'd wind up dead on a DC pavement. Nightclubs 84 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: is not how Dan Rappaport first got rich stock. He 85 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: got his start in economics, as Me and Surgery discussed. 86 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 3: He grew up in the US and he got his 87 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: really from Houston, Texas. From there he went into an 88 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: investing firm, Fibro. They focused like raw materials, so any 89 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 3: kind of oil, just mining things like that. I think 90 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: he graduated somewhere in the early nineties and he started 91 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: working at Fibro and they were working on a project 92 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: in Russia, one of the first like oil extraction projects. 93 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 3: The company basically got three stakes in three different oil 94 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 3: fields and they were trying to develop those. 95 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 4: They were one of the. 96 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 3: First companies to go in and they were one of 97 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 3: the first companies to actually set up shop like they 98 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 3: were I think by nineteen ninety one nineteen eighty two, 99 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: they were already pumping oil and selling it. 100 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 2: And so a familiar pattern emerges. This is yet another 101 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 2: wealthy businessman with heavy ties to the Russian oil and 102 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: gas industry who's died in mysterious circumstances. This guy even 103 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: fell out of a window. When Rappaport first entered this 104 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: industry in the nineties, big money was made immediately, and 105 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: the Russian government quickly stepped in to increase their cut. 106 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: I think it was around twenty k years dr day. 107 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 3: It did slow down. That project kind of fizzled out. 108 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 3: It was kind of killed off by the Russian government 109 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: because they were they were really getting a hang out 110 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: of the whole capitalism thing, and they were putting a 111 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: bunch of taxes on from what it seems like everything 112 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: you know, on the transport of oil, on companies operating 113 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: in it, then forcing them to pay and extremely devalued ruble, 114 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: which kind of just I guess, kind of killed that obviously, 115 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: other companies to cover and you know, now oil is massive, 116 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 3: but at that time, like that project called White Knights 117 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 3: didn't exactly work out. 118 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: The White Knights project was the first joint Russian American 119 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: operation designed to open up more oil fields across Siberia. 120 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: White Knights was actually conceived before the collapse of the 121 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: Soviet Union, when the UA SSR was opening up to 122 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: foreign investment in the late eighties. As Sergey said, White 123 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: Knights began turning over twenty thousand dollars a day within 124 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: just a few months of its launch. By nineteen ninety two, 125 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: though the project collapsed. Rappaports stayed in Russia after White 126 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: Knights ended. He had experience in both the USSR and 127 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: the US, having grown up in Soviet Latvia but also 128 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: getting educated in America, a very useful set of credentials 129 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: in the banditry period of post Soviet Russia. 130 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 4: From then on he stayed in Russia. 131 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: And you know, being from a Russian family, they escaped 132 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 3: from Latvia like Ussar Latvia to the US. 133 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 4: He's like a US citizen. He can be the middleman. 134 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 3: You know, he speaks Russian, of course, and he became 135 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: this middleman for investors and the New Russia. That's kind 136 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: of you know how they say selling out, They're kind 137 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 3: of everything that was once government owned is now going 138 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 3: to private owners. And he was this middleman looking for 139 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 3: American European investors, helping them make these deals of purchasing 140 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 3: these massive facilities, anything that can be sold, basically that 141 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 3: was being sold any industry that the USSR had. He 142 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 3: was kind of making those deals. 143 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: After this, Rappaport went on to work at an investment 144 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 2: firm Center Invest, essentially doing the same things he'd been 145 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 2: doing before, working as a fixer or a middleman for 146 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: Western companies looking to capitalize on the collapse of the 147 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: Soviet Union. Bleed it dry, ignore the people profit. By 148 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 2: the two thousands, Rappaport was the manager at sent To Invest, 149 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: with offices in both Moscow and New York. Over the decade, 150 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: he went from wealthy to very wealthy. This is when 151 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: Rappaport made the bulk of his money, enabling him to 152 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: invest in more exciting ventures like the Soho rooms in Moscow. 153 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: Rappaport opened that in two thousand and seven, but then 154 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: the following year he hit a roadblock. The US government 155 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 2: puts sanctions on him. 156 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 3: It seems like the charges were a securities fraud and 157 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 3: even though he you know, is sanctioned, he was kind of. 158 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 4: In trouble with the US government. 159 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 3: Five years later, all the charges were dropped and he 160 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: returned to the US. 161 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: So Dan Rappaport was accused and charged with securities fraud. 162 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: But what is that. 163 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: Well, basically, it's high tier white collar lying. It's also 164 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: referred to as stock fraud or investment fraud, and it's 165 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: a serious crime. Basically, it involves misrepresenting a deal by 166 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: either omitting certain details or just outright lying to urge 167 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 2: investors to make decisions. Stockbrokers, brokerage corporations, and investment banks 168 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: are often involved in securities fraud in some way, most 169 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: of them get away with it. That Rapperport's charges were 170 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: dropped after five years doesn't mean much in my opinion 171 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 2: either way. He made his money capitalizing on the downfall 172 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: of post Soviet Russia, skipping back and forth between New 173 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 2: York and Moscow as your average Russian near staffed pretty 174 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: much standard Oligach behavior. 175 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 3: It seems like he has businesses all over Russia and 176 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 3: like spread throughout the world. But there's nothing like one 177 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 3: big business. That's kind of like pointed out, he just 178 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 3: had multiple incomes from different things. 179 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: Whilst we've seen Rappaports sometimes painted as a separate entity 180 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 2: to the other oligachs we've looked into, probably because of 181 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: his open anti Putinism, he very much came up in 182 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: the same scene of the post Soviet free for all 183 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: as they did. 184 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 3: That would be the majority of his money from that 185 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: ten year period, consulting and kind of directing investors into 186 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 3: Russia and then the stock management. He was pretty much 187 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 3: a fixer. He's I guess, like you know, he spoke Russian. 188 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: He he got kind of an inn with the White 189 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 3: Knights project. I'm assuming he built connections, kind of figured 190 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 3: out how things work, and then he went from there 191 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 3: and started, yeah, like being a fixer kind of finding 192 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: Like somebody wants to sell something, He's like, okay, cool, 193 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: I'll go find you know, a rich American, a rich 194 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 3: European to come and buy it out. 195 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: What was the story is spun that Rappaport had to 196 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: flee Russia due to anti pootin activity. He first left 197 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: because he owed the Russian government tax and they charged 198 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: him for not paying it. It wasn't even that much money, 199 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 2: not for him anyway. It was around forty thousand US dollars. 200 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: But for whatever reasons he was charged, he left the country. 201 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: It's pretty well documented that, first of all, in the 202 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: nineties it was very like shady dealings anything that was 203 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: being sold off. You know, we've covered previously how everything 204 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 3: was being privatized and people kind of used different, maybe legal, 205 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: but kind of underhanded ways of getting wealthy. I mean, 206 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: some things are anecdotal, somethings are recorded where you know, 207 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: a lot of crime organizations were in charge. And my 208 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 3: guess would be as if he was doing any kind 209 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 3: of like consulting that we talked about as finding businesses 210 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 3: to sell to rich investors, I would assume he had 211 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: to deal with the government and with people who were 212 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 3: in this organized crime kind of figuring out who to 213 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: talk to, who's selling, and where to find you know. 214 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 3: So I'm guessing he was involved in this. I just 215 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: think you can't avoid it. At that time period, it 216 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 3: just so involved, you know, the government is kind of 217 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 3: especially I mean maybe not at the time, it wasn't 218 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 3: as involved with everything, but it all kind of led 219 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 3: to the government taking over and they were still in charge, 220 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: so like he absolutely had to be involved with the 221 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 3: States too, for Saul work on oil and then from 222 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 3: them to you know, sell off essentially state industry, like 223 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 3: he'd have to be at least to some degree. 224 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: It's clear that at one point Rappaport was cozied up 225 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: to the Russian government enough to at least do business 226 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: with them back and forth between the US, which would 227 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: make both parties a lot of money. At some point 228 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: he hit a snagdough, as we mentioned, with the tax problems. 229 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: Before this, Rappaport had several companies in Russia, though his 230 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: fingers were in many different pies. He was a human piroshki. 231 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: He owned the Russian company selling and trading raw materials 232 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: such as precious metals. He owned the Russian real estate company. 233 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: He owned the Russian catering business. He was into all 234 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: sorts until the Russian government shut him down citing various 235 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: legal violations. They then took control of all his companies 236 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: and liquidated them. The money was theirs. To suspect that 237 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: this is what made Rappaport anti Putin as opposed to 238 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: any specific humanitarian issues, but that's just a personal hunch. 239 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: Sergio andmy tried to find more specific information on Rappaport's 240 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: anti Putin activity, but there wasn't actually that much, not 241 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: from the time when it apparently happened. 242 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: I tried to look back at like more like articles 243 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: at the time, you know, kind of what was going 244 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 3: on at that time, instead of him saying recently, like 245 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 3: in the last year, that he was a huge anti 246 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 3: Putine critic. 247 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 4: I couldn't find too much. 248 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess the biggest thing is that he 249 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: was working with Navalney, not the Valny, but like the 250 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 3: opposition and then eventually Navalny, and that kind of that's 251 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 3: pointed as the biggest like he was anti Putin, he 252 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 3: was working with like the opposition, But I can't exactly 253 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 3: find that he was such a huge, like outspoken person 254 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 3: against Russia or Putin again until until he went back 255 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 3: to the US. 256 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 4: Then he was more kind of active, I guess in that. 257 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: But at the time that he left, you know, the 258 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 3: government was saying that it's because of the taxes. He 259 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 3: claimed there was because he was being threatened for supporting 260 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: the opposition. I mean, you can see both sides, like 261 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: maybe he doesn't want to admit to you know, wrongdoing 262 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 3: in terms of taxes, and the government doesn't want people 263 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 3: to think that it's because they're, you know, threatening someone. 264 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: But that said, it is actually a tried and tested 265 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: method of Putin to create wrongdoing around political opponents in 266 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: a bid to crush any opposition. I think it's likely 267 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: this happened to Rappaport. Sure he did all the Kremlin 268 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: tax but to a multimillionaire the equivalent of forty thousand 269 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: dollars is hardly something he couldn't resolve. Maybe it's a 270 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: case of two birds one stone. Rappaport is rich and influential, 271 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: with strong ties to the US, and he's helping the 272 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: Russian opposition parties. So let's get rid of him and 273 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: just say it was because of this loose end of 274 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 2: oad taxes. Let's not look too crazy, not yet anyway. Now, 275 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: I'm not saying Rappaport didn't genuinely want a new Russia 276 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 2: one without the iron fist of Putin and his squad, 277 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: but he did also make a lot of money under 278 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 2: it until the heat got too close. 279 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 3: He was more than happy to work and Russia Putting 280 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 3: was ready in power for at least a decade at 281 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 3: that point. He was more than happy to be there 282 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 3: throughout everything, you know, when they were kind of when 283 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 3: all these aligars were making their money in the nineties, 284 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: it wasn't through the most I don't know, not in 285 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 3: the most honorable ways, not the most not the cleanest way, 286 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 3: you know, So like he knew what he was doing. 287 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 3: I think he was more than happy to profit while 288 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 3: you know, while he was making money, while he wasn't 289 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 3: kind of threatening anyway. I think it's like, I think 290 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 3: maybe he definitely supported the opposition, you know, but I 291 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 3: highly doubt he would have risked his wealth and his 292 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 3: happy life for like to create a putting kind of thing. 293 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 3: I think maybe he truly, you know, he did support 294 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 3: like the opposition and stuff. But at the minute the 295 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 3: US raised their sanctions from two thousand and eight, he 296 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 3: was gone. He was back in the US, back in 297 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 3: the US. Rappaport continued his pursuit of political influence. In 298 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 3: twenty twelve, just as his US sanctions evaporated, Dan Rappaport 299 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 3: began working with Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney was running 300 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 3: against Obama. Rapperport was an advisor, specifically working on parts 301 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 3: of the campaign that focused on putting more US political 302 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 3: pressure on Putin and Russia. Romney lost Obama one, and 303 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 3: then fast forward to twenty sixteen, Donald Trump. 304 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: Arrived Gidbriyan jail. What was There are. 305 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 2: Various nonsense conspiracy theories about Trump being a literal Russian agent. 306 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 2: It's no secret that he often spoke fondly of Putin. 307 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 2: Trump complimented Putin dozens of times before and after he 308 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: was elected president in twenty sixteen. Who was particularly excited 309 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: that Putin had said he was great and smart, going 310 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: on about it several times. 311 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: It got weird. 312 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: It was like a child impressed that the teacher complimented 313 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 2: its drawing. 314 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 5: I think when it calls me brilliant, I'll take the compliment, Okay. 315 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 2: Then it got really dark. After Putin launched the Russian 316 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: invasion of Ukraine in twenty twenty two, which has so 317 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: far led to the deaths of ten thousand civilians, including 318 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 2: over five hundred children. Trump said Putin was a genius 319 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: for doing this. 320 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 5: I said, this is genius. Putin declares a big portion 321 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 5: of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh that's wonderful. 322 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 5: So Putin is now saying it's independent a large section 323 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 5: of Ukraine. I said, how smart is that? And he's 324 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 5: going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That's the 325 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 5: strongest peace force we could use that on our southern border. 326 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 5: That's the strongest peace force I've ever seen. There were 327 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 5: more army tanks that I've ever seen. They going to 328 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 5: keep peace? All right? 329 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: But what does this all have to do with Dan Rappaport, 330 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: the now dead American Russian citizen businessman who made his 331 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 2: fortune jumping back and forth between New York and Moscow. Well, 332 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: as you can probably guess, Rappaport was not a fan 333 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: of Trump. With all the Putin PDA, Rappaport came out 334 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: in criticism of Trump and his presidency. He didn't like 335 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: that Trump was friendly with Putin, and he made that 336 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: very clear publicly. Around this time, in twenty seventeen, Rappaport 337 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 2: was living very nicely with his then wife. He owned 338 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: a six bedroom mansion in Washington, DC. And guess who 339 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: his neighbors happened to be? The Obamas. Yeah, Rappaport lived 340 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: next door to the Obama family, or released as close 341 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 2: as you can get to next door in such an area. 342 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 2: The Obama house was eighty two hundred square foot. You're 343 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: hardly sharing a war. Like Russian politicians, American politicians make 344 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: themselves filthy rich throughout their careers. Take US Representative Nancy Pelosi, 345 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: for example. 346 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 5: Let us remember what President Reagan said, don't bother me 347 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 5: with a question like that. 348 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 2: She's worth an estimated one hundred and fourteen million dollars. 349 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 3: When is this? 350 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 5: When is this? 351 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: Strangely enough, her husband, Paul Pelosi, has made several lucrative 352 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: stock trades that coincide with the US government legislation in 353 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 2: the technology sector, coincidentally, a sector Rappaport had a business in. 354 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 2: Nancy says, all the lucky stocks of her husband is 355 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: all just a coincidence. It's nothing to do with her. 356 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 2: It's definitely not insider trading. 357 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 3: Really really, okay. 358 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 2: Politicians are politicians. They used their positions to do business 359 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: to benefit themselves. Dan Rappaport knew this better than anyone. 360 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 2: He'd been moving and shaking within the ven diagram of 361 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: international politics and corporate profit for decades. Let's be honest, 362 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: this is how we ended up with a six bedroom 363 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: mansion in DC. The mansion in question was sold later 364 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, when Rappaport and his wife got a divorce. 365 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 2: It sold for five point five million dollars and who 366 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 2: was it sold to? The Trump family. Dan Rappaport, an 367 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 2: outspoken critic of Trump and his friendliness towards Putin, sold 368 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: his house to Donald Trump's daughter and her husband, Ivanka 369 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: Trump and Jared Kushner. Whilst this is notable, I don't 370 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: think it's that unusual. People working in politics, in my 371 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: experience as a journalist, often focused on international affairs at least, 372 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 2: generally will fall down in the wind. That is, once 373 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 2: money and power are involved, all bets are off. In politics, 374 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: profits almost always comes above integrity. Now, to be fair 375 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: to Dan Rapperport, he told a journalist at the time 376 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 2: that the sale of the house was actually nothing to 377 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: do with him. He said the money was split between 378 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 2: him and his ex wife and she was the one 379 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,719 Speaker 2: selling it personally, though I find out hard to believe. 380 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 2: They also owned a one point five million dollar apartment, 381 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 2: a second three point five million dollar home, and Rappaport's 382 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 2: parents live in a one million dollar Florida beach house. 383 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: That Rappaport would just pay no attention to the sale 384 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 2: of his most expensive property seems highly unlikely. 385 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: Anyway. 386 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: After the divorce, Dan Rapperport moved to Ukraine. He lived 387 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 2: in a fancy in Kiev. Now remember this was five 388 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: years before the full scale invasion. I myself was in 389 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 2: Kiev around this time, as was Sergy. The war was 390 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 2: only in the east of the country then, which was 391 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: very far away from Kiev. Everything was completely normal in 392 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 2: the capitol. It's not unusual that someone might move to Kiev, 393 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,479 Speaker 2: not then, especially if they have a lot of money. 394 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: You could live comfortably there on a normal Western wage, 395 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: and if you were rich, you could live like a king. Rapaport, though, 396 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: as we know, could live like a king anywhere. He 397 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 2: was worth a fortune. So why are Ukraine well? It 398 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: seems this was all part of another business venture. He 399 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 2: set up a residential investment firm, putting money into new 400 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 2: apartments in Kiev. You also got remarried and had a 401 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: baby daughter. When Russia invaded Ukraine in February twenty twenty two, 402 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,719 Speaker 2: Rappaport's new equally comfortable life was upended. He took his 403 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 2: family and flew back to the US, living once again 404 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: in Washingrington, DC, where he'd later die after falling from 405 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: the apartment window. Before his death, Rappaport was openly supportive 406 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 2: of Ukraine's resistance to the invasion, and even donated himself 407 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: to various Ukraine war efforts, as well as encouraging others 408 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 2: to do so on his social media. So what do 409 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 2: we think actually happened here? This is a tricky one. 410 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: There are many potential leads that all end up merging together. 411 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: So was Rappaport pushed out of a window by a 412 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: political or business rival? Did he jump or did he 413 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 2: just accidentally fall? Personally me at the start, I was 414 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: beginning to think this might be the case where really 415 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 2: a cigar is just a cigar. Okay, Rapperport was involved 416 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: in all this politics and business, but maybe he did 417 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: just fall. He didn't seem hard enough target to warrant killing. However, 418 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 2: there's a lot more to this case than it first appears. 419 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: Even now after all of this, as we know, Dan 420 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 2: Rappaport died from falling out of a window. There are, however, 421 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: several unusual details I'm yet to mention as I didn't 422 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 2: want to bias the listener. From the start, Dan Rappaport 423 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 2: owned the Soho Rooms club with a business partner named 424 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 2: Sergei to Kachenko, also known in Russia as Sergei Jeff. 425 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 2: Sergei Jeff died in January twenty seventeen. He died in 426 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 2: Moscow after falling out of the window of his luxury apartment, 427 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 2: the same way his business partner Dan Rappaport would die 428 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: just five years later, an incredible coincidence. There were even 429 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: more bizarre parts of this case we yet to look into. 430 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: Rappaport's dog was allegedly found wandering around in a park 431 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 2: near his apartment after he'd fallen out of the window 432 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 2: and died. Strapped to the dog's collar was a supposed 433 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 2: suicide note and for some reason cash. If that wasn't 434 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 2: weird enough, there's even more. Rappaport is alleged to be 435 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: the man behind a pretty popular but fake senior Pentagon 436 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:23,479 Speaker 2: Russian analyst known online as David Duberg. Du Berg was 437 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 2: regularly quoted by the opposition in Russian and Ukrainian media, 438 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 2: and he was cited as a professional analyst, but he 439 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 2: didn't exist, and Rappaport is not an analyst. I believe 440 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: Rappapault was behind a team that were actually the true 441 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: identities of the people writing under the pseudonym David Duberg. 442 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: The plot thickens. We'll be looking into all of this 443 00:27:50,359 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 2: in depth in the next episode of sad Oligach. 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