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Speaker 1: We've returned with another classic episode. This one pairs nicely

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Speaker 1: with our previous classic, where we asked whether there are

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Speaker 1: in history, really Bigfoot. This one where you interview are

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Speaker 1: Pal David Baker. Oh, yes, the creator of Expedition Bigfoot,

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Speaker 1: which if you're ever traveling through North Georgia, we highly

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Speaker 1: recommend you check out. Yeah. It's like Epcot Center level

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Speaker 1: um Museum of Oddities and fascinating Bigfoot related. One of

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Speaker 1: my favorite parts of that thing, by the way, is

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Speaker 1: the recordings section where you can actually put headphones on

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Speaker 1: and listen to alleged Bigfoot sighting. That's the one. Yes, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's get right into it. From umos to psychic powers

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Speaker 1: and government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. You

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Speaker 1: can turn back now or learn this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is No. They call

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Speaker 1: me Ben. You are you? And that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Let's travel back in

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Speaker 1: time briefly for a second. Can I do my waynes World?

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Speaker 1: Grip please do big perfect yea, yeah, yeah, We're there now,

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Speaker 1: We're there, We're there, We're we're near Ela j Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Several months back when the three of us, along with

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Speaker 1: our compatriot Christopher Haciotis, traveled to see Expedition Bigfoot with

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Speaker 1: an exclamation mark, do you remember? Do you remember? Guys?

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Speaker 1: How could I forget? And if you were not lucky

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Speaker 1: enough to be with us when we made that first

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Speaker 1: expedition to Expedition Bigfoot, never feared because we made a documentary, right,

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Speaker 1: short documentary available for free on Amazon Prime, where we

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Speaker 1: interviewed the creator of Expedition Bigfoot, David Bickhara himself. That's correct, man.

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Speaker 1: He told us some incredible stories. I mean, some of

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Speaker 1: that stuff about Bigfoot going across the highway and truckers

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Speaker 1: seeing it, Bigfoot shimmering in and out. It was incredible stuff. Again,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, go there now. And it

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Speaker 1: was sort of like a shallow, sort of a toe

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Speaker 1: dip into the Bigfoot waters. But today we are lucky

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Speaker 1: enough to have the very same David Bokara in the

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Speaker 1: studio with us to take a deep dive into said waters. Hello,

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Speaker 1: all right, today, sir, I'm great, great to be back

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Speaker 1: with you. Oh yeah, thank you so much for I mean,

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Speaker 1: because one of the things that a lot of folks

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Speaker 1: wrote to us about after they saw the documentary, as

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Speaker 1: where was where was the audio version and of this.

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Speaker 1: So we want to thank you so much for taking

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Speaker 1: audience today. We have a couple of questions for you,

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Speaker 1: and mainly what we'd like to do is uh, learn

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Speaker 1: more about your story, learn more about your quest learn

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Speaker 1: more about expedition Bigfoot, And I guess the most the

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Speaker 1: most logical place to start is uh, if no one

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Speaker 1: what is Bigfoot? What would you say? Bigfoot has been

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Speaker 1: They're really all over every small town. They've been writing

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Speaker 1: You can find them at artwork from the early European period.

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Speaker 1: And um, the the physical range or territory. Is there

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Speaker 1: is there any information that you have encountered regarding diet

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Speaker 1: Now I've personally never experienced any of these things before,

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Speaker 1: mystery and the heart. The more you dig, the more

427
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: complex it gets. You never really get a whole lot

428
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,479
Speaker 1: more answers where you can nail it down, it just

429
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: gets more interesting. And speaking of digging, speaking of vocalizations noises,

430
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Speaker 1: we are going to continue exploring Bigfoot with David Pakara,

431
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: the creator of Expedition Bigfoot. After a word from our sponsor,

432
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Speaker 1: and we're back with David bakera of Expedition Bigfoot, the

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Speaker 1: curator and creator of the museum. Now, David, I want

434
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Speaker 1: to get into something that is highlighted at the museum,

435
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: and it's called the Sierra Sounds, and let's let's talk

436
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: about what exactly that is. So Ron Moore had spent

437
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: three years, uh he's an entrepreneur out in uh northern California,

438
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: and he's spent used to go hunting with these gentlemen

439
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 1: way out in this remote area and the Sierras couldn't

440
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: drive to it. You had to you had to take

441
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: horseback for miles and miles to this very treacherous trail

442
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: to get up to this area where they had a

443
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: small little it was not even a shack. They just

444
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: took a bunch of deadfall and stacked it up, kind

445
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: of made like a little shelter to get him out

446
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: of that, to get him out of the weather. And

447
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: they would spend a week there hunting. They had little

448
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: camp there. Every time they come they bring a little

449
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: bit more, a little bit more. They had a little

450
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: camp where they could cook up and they would hunt deer,

451
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: and it was like a kind of guy's getaway. It

452
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: wasn't very big at the shack, probably wasn't more than

453
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Speaker 1: ten by ten. It was just a little mean to Really,

454
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now. It's like a little

455
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: wooden box with like a ladder kind of looking thing

456
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: on the slide of like a hatch, just a big log.

457
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: They roll out of the way to get in, and

458
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: then to shut it, they just roll it back into place.

459
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: And after a few years, uh, these fellows started hearing

460
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: some very strange noises and vocalizations coming. Something was coming

461
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: into the camp, rattling the pots around, and then they

462
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: started finding some very strange footprints. Finally realized what probably

463
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: was going on. So they had contacted a fella named

464
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: al Berry who was a reporter for one of the

465
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: local newspapers there, and now they told all the story

466
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: and he was like, this is these guys are hoaxing.

467
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: This can't be really happening. There's just no way. He said,

468
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: I'll go, but I'm just I know they're just jerking

469
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: me around. So he probably at the top of the

470
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: line sony recording equipment. They get out there, they set

471
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: up runs. I think he ran the microphone out to

472
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: some food some seventy or eighty feet away from the

473
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: from the shack, and uh, I'll be darned if he

474
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: didn't spend a couple of he's recording these things. It's

475
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: funny when you listen to them, when you listen to

476
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: the sounds, and you can get the DVD is available

477
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: at from Ron moorehead from his website. Actually, let's do

478
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: some of that right now. There are a few available

479
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: on YouTube. Let's hear some grace yea oh man. It's

480
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: like you first hear it and my my, my mind

481
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: immediately goes to it's some sort of like turkey pig

482
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: hybrid thing. But then it starts doing something completely different

483
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: and goes into these vocalizations that are distinctly human and

484
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: the kinds of things you can only make by opening

485
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: and closing your mouth in a certain shape, you know,

486
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: and it's very other worldly. I mean I tend to,

487
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, be a little bit skeptical about some of

488
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, But man, that is a compelling

489
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: sounding recording. Not heard anything like that kind of gives

490
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: me shivers. For me, it's the quality, like you're saying, David,

491
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: that it makes me. It makes me feel iffy about

492
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: it because it sounds so good. It sounds like it's

493
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: so close to where whatever is being you know, whatever

494
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: microphone they're using. It sounds like it's pretty darn close.

495
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: It's not up on a ridge or something and you're

496
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 1: like shooting way down there unless you've got some like,

497
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: really really incredible equipment. So what you just heard, ladies

498
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, as as David was describing, are the famous

499
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: Sierra Sounds, largely considered by many people investigating Bigfoot to

500
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: be some of the strongest evidence, right, strongest audio evidence. Sure,

501
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: and just face value. I think you can hear it

502
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: and you realize it's something very strange. But there's a

503
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: nice gentleman by the name of Scott Nelson out in Minnesota,

504
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: I believe, whose son was doing a high school report

505
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: and the Sierra Sounds and he's a retired Navy cryptolinguist,

506
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: so that's what he did. He used to sit in

507
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: the subn marines off the coast of Russian China, and

508
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: he's dropping our conversation. So you have to pick up

509
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: little pieces of it and form whole sentences because sometimes

510
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: they go in out. So I don't know how many

511
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: different languages he speaks, but he's an expert. And he's

512
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: in the other room working on something, and he hears

513
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: his son playing these sounds on his computer. Comes he says,

514
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: what are you listening to? He says, oh, this is

515
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: something called cr sounds. Supposedly Bigfoot's howling at each other.

516
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: He says, play that again. He just happened to be

517
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: in the right place at the right time. Just play

518
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: it again. Son plays again. He says, let me see that,

519
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: pulls it in front of me, starts playing it over

520
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: and go and he says, that's a language. Those that

521
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: these things aren't ground at each other. He said, he

522
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: said when he ran him through a filter, slowed them down.

523
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: He says, my god, these things they have their own language.

524
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: So here, this poor guy goes from being totally disuninterested

525
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: third party just happened to be when they're when his

526
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: son was playing with it, listening to on his computer.

527
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: He wrote a whole book, our whole series of papers

528
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: on this language. He can actually repeat some of these

529
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: words almost like you're hearing it. He says, I have

530
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: no idea what I'm saying. I'm just repeating. But he

531
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: says he had to slow them down to just so

532
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: he could say the words. These things actually speak twice

533
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: as fast as we can speak. So um so here

534
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: you have a Navy cryptolink was saying. He was a specialist, says,

535
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: this isn't sounds. These are language. It makes me think

536
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: of some stuff you'd hear in like Star Wars, for example,

537
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: where you've got characters that have this sort of nonsensical

538
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: sounding language, but there are distinct like phonemes and kind

539
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: of word patterns and shapes or whatever, and specifically patterns,

540
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: And you can hear that in the recording that we

541
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: just played, where it's not nonsense. There's a sort of

542
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: rhyme and reason to it, especially once it gets going

543
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: and starts getting into the more of those guttural tones,

544
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: and there's a motion in it too. I find like

545
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: it does it does not sound completely breathed of any

546
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: kind of feeling. It's got this like kind of quality

547
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: of like really trying to communicy cap to it. Whether

548
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: or not you understand the language or not, I think

549
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: you get that sense. I think the Mike. I'm pretty

550
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: sure that at some points that Mike was sitting over

551
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: a pile of leftover food. So when you're hearing a

552
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: lot of is these things arguing over who gets what? Wow?

553
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: And this brings up something else that we want to

554
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: ask you about on air, because in our original conversations

555
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: you talked about some of the long distance communication methods

556
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: that these life forms would use, specifically knocking on wood.

557
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: Could you tell us a little bit about that, Yeah, sherl.

558
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: So a lot of the bf ROW members, a lot

559
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: of Bigfooters now are are employing wood knocking techniques because

560
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: when these things are out the woods, you hear what

561
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: sounds like wood knox being associated with them. So there's

562
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: all kinds of theories floating around. One of them is

563
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: maybe these things doing wood knocks when they when they

564
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: sense the human being. Why so when we're doing what knocks,

565
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: were defeating our own which is a pretty ironic theory,

566
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: And I'm almost to the point where I think it's

567
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: got some validity to it. So yeah, so, and some

568
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: people think they do it these wood knocks to echolocate

569
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: each other. Hey, I'm over here to do a wood knock. Over,

570
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm over here. A third one over here. Sometimes that

571
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: you think they sounds like they're doing a rock clacks.

572
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: And some folks have actually observed them making these sounds

573
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: with their mouth, so we think they're doing wood knocks,

574
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: but they're actually making these sounds with their mouth. They're

575
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: amazing the sounds that maybe things they can mimic. It's

576
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: very possible that's exactly what's going on. Because if you

577
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: do a wooden knock, if you're in the woods and

578
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: it's two o'clock more, I have the stick in my hand,

579
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: I do a good, clear woodknock. How in the world

580
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: can I get a reply wood knock within two seconds?

581
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: I would dare anybody stand out the woods, find me

582
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: a stick and make a wood knock. They're almost all rotten.

583
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: I've done it before. I member walking out watching how

584
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: they go do a wood knock. Oh, this is no good,

585
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: This is no oh, nope, this one's smacking. And I

586
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: think and I thought to myself one time, my goodness,

587
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: how can they be doing this because I can't even

588
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: find us. That might take me seven or eight minutes

589
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: to find something well enough. And then I got to

590
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: break it off because it's ten ft long. I I

591
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: make a club out of it. So there's definitely some

592
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: validity that theory where these things are making that's those

593
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: sounds with their mouth. So one of the other big

594
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: questions that people would have if they're if they're coming

595
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: into this from you know, square one, would be, uh,

596
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: we would go back to the idea of like physical evidence, right,

597
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: So one of the big questions would be if there

598
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: are creatures this large from a population North America of

599
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: thirty to ten thou if if they're that many, then

600
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: one of the questions would be where where our bones?

601
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: Would you know, where's fecal matter? Um? Where are evidence

602
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: of for instance, like um guerrillas tend to make nests, right.

603
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: So one of the questions that people have asked us

604
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: before is what happens to this stuff or does this

605
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: stuff exists? You know, like is there is there something

606
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: there to find? What a great question because it's something

607
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: that serious bigfooters asked themselves, probably in private. Why am

608
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: I not finding more stuff? So the people that come

609
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: into the museum and said, I just I don't, I

610
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: just you know, I want to believe I just I

611
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: just don't understand how they can, and they're actually it's

612
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: a very honest question. We really should be finding more stuff.

613
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: Why aren't that We've we've dug up giant skeletons, you know,

614
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: as they were building the infrastructure the United States late

615
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: nineteenth century twentieth century, they dug up all kinds of

616
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 1: giants skeletons, but they didn't find any giant fossils. Why

617
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: do we not find these things in the fossil records?

618
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: If there's thousands of them now, there should be hundreds

619
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: of thousands of them buried out there. We should be

620
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: digging up a lot more fossils. Other than a teeth

621
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: from the Gigantopathecus and giganti Pathecus Blackie and China and

622
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: Russia found in some caves. It's really all we have.

623
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: We're trying to reconstruct the whole species from a few

624
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: molar I think a partial jaw. So, yes, there were

625
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: we do have evidence of giant apes. But these apes,

626
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: these Gigantopathecus were never proven to be bipedal. There were

627
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: just basically that giant apes that walked around like big

628
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: monkeys on all fours. These things the primary walk around

629
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: on on two feet now, so we're not sure if

630
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: they're the same thing. There. What a great question. I

631
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: don't know. I have my theories as to why we're

632
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: not finding more stuff, A lot of stuff. A lot

633
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: of people can walk by things in the woods and

634
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: not realize what it is. Oh, look, elk are nesting.

635
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: There could be big foots. I mean so a lot

636
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: of the their habitats may look like another animal, so

637
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: unless you're looking for them, you might not recognize what

638
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: you're seeing. People find structures, and it was all the

639
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: time they send us pictures of these big hut like things.

640
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: I had a guy kind of museum told me he

641
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: found one that was almost ten ft tall. He could

642
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: walk in and not hit his head on it. It's huge.

643
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: It's stunk in there. Um. He said he was too,

644
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: he was so afraid to go in it. And he

645
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: was with a friend of his and he sent me pictures,

646
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: show me pictures on his phone, and he said nothing

647
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: was acted. It was everything. It makes broken, and it

648
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: had all kinds of leaves and matter to make like

649
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: a little hot out of it. So did a big

650
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: foot make it? I don't know, but this guy was convinced.

651
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: Why would somebody make something so big that was a

652
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: lot of effort put in there? And then people find

653
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: these little structures like uh, like tps where it really

654
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: doesn't afford any kind of protection from the elements whatsoever.

655
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: We wonder if there's some kind of a blind where

656
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: they hide in them to break up their silhouette for

657
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: game on the edge of a game trail. But then again,

658
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: on the other hand, do you hear people say these

659
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: seeings stink? If I can smell these things at fifty ft,

660
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure a deer is gonna smell it and and

661
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: and avoid them. And you know, maybe they use these

662
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: little structures as markers for other big foot. Hey, this

663
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: is my territory. So but what a great question. We

664
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: really should be finding more things, uh overt evidence of

665
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: their existence out in the woods. They don't farm, they

666
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: don't use tools, they don't raise anything. These things just

667
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: live hand to mouth daily. Yet they're intelligent. So at

668
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: some point, some some juncture in a bigfooter's life. You

669
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 1: have to start thinking outside the box and some things

670
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: that people may have told you in the in the

671
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: past that you just kind of laughed off, you didn't

672
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: take it seriously, that you start to like go back

673
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: to some of that stuff. And that's where a lot

674
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: of researchers are doing now, not most of them, I'd

675
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: say a lot of them, not most of them. So

676
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: it's um Ron Moore had felt that wrote there the

677
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: serious Sunds. He just came up with a brand new

678
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: book called Quantum Bigfoot where he discusses quantum physics and

679
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: strength theory and possibility of um of other universes and

680
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: other reality being just within arm's reach of us, but

681
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: we're unable to see them, but other things are able

682
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: to cross through the veil. Well, this comes back to

683
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: some of the things that we were talking about earlier,

684
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: where potentially there are there are reports of these creatures

685
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: having some sort of supernatural abilities. So if that was

686
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: the case, maybe you know, allah the elders in the

687
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: Dark Crystal movie, when they die, they just sort of

688
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: manage into star stuff and they're gone. You know, I mean,

689
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm just spitball in here, but you know, it's just

690
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm getting at is, like, you know,

691
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: we find new fossils, that's not a thing that is

692
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: is beyond the realm of possibility. Has found the a

693
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: new Homo sapien fossil and Morocco that like lengthened our

694
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: conception of the timeline of man. But there's a lot

695
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: of human remains that are found constantly, So to find

696
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: to to go so long with these creatures still supposedly

697
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: existing and not find any you know, displayable fossil strikes

698
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: me as a little odd. So so I have two

699
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: quick things. The first one is have you ever heard

700
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: of the staircases in the woods theories? Okay? So what

701
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 1: if what if these things are somehow coming down from

702
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: some other dimension with these staircases, you guys, Oh, that's

703
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: that's it. Could you explain for famili with this and

704
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: I just I just nodded, But for for anyone who

705
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: isn't familiar, could you break that downway to heaven there? Okay?

706
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: So these are accounts of, you know, a story written

707
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: down by somebody when they were walking through the woods

708
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: they saw a staircase in the middle just of the

709
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: woods somewhere and this range is the locations for this

710
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: range all over the place, and allegedly it's like a

711
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: staircase that you would find in any house, but it

712
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: just stops and it's just in the middle of the woods.

713
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: It's not like it was attached to another house and

714
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: it was broken down and it looks like it's broken.

715
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: It's strangely intact and looks pristine. Um And you know

716
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: the stories there there, these are fables and the story goes,

717
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: you know, don't or go near those things because that's

718
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: how people disappear in the woods to go those staircases. Well,

719
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: regardless of what you believe. Let's be honest, guys, if

720
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: you're walking in the woods and you see a staircase

721
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: by itself, why would you walk up it? Just I

722
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: mean from from like if it's been in the woods.

723
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: From a physical safety standpoint. My theories that it's a

724
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: like a fishing line with a little hook. It's just

725
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: to get your curiosity up, so we'll try and go

726
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: in there. But it's a trap. Oh that sounds like

727
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: you never go up the stairs in the woods, you know,

728
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: come on, but sorry, My my second thing, really fast

729
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 1: is just just to throw this out there, we're talking

730
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: about finding giant human skeletons. So if you go online

731
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: and you look into that very much, um like I

732
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: did after we had our conversations earlier on, it appears

733
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: that according to skeptical sites like Snopes and other places

734
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: like that, they say that's completely untrue. What what would

735
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: you a to somebody who says that, you know, we

736
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: didn't find humans giant human skeletons, Well, why would guess

737
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: as Snopes is saying, we didn't find it because we

738
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: don't have them. Okay, but we we know for a

739
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: fact that that almost all of these newspaper articles where

740
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: they take up these giants, and I have to emphasize

741
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: these these were giant human skeletons. Nowhere in the description

742
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: of these things do they say they were like ape

743
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: like or that the arms hung real low. All of

744
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: the descriptions of them were just giant human skeletons, and

745
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: some with double rows of teeth, which just doesn't make

746
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: any sense whatsoever. And the Smithsonian always almost all of

747
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: these end of the same way that they contact the Smithsonian,

748
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: and the Smithsonian says, well, we're gonna send somebody down

749
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: and collect those bones. We'll take a look at them

750
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: for you, and then they just evaporated after that. The

751
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: Smithsonian would never comment on them. They wouldn't say they

752
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: got them. And they're just so many. It's not one

753
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: or two or three or four. There's probably in the newspaper.

754
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so I mean, I know that newspaper

755
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: sometimes they print things that aren't true, but once or twice,

756
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: maybe times the same subject. I kind of find that

757
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: hard to believe. So the Smithsonian's definitely got them. And

758
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: like I tell people, I'm not it's possible that these

759
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: things are hidden from us for a good reason. It's possible.

760
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: I'm now I can't say that, you know, we are.

761
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: We'd be better if we knew about them. It's possible

762
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: that we wouldn't. So it wouldn't it be ironic not

763
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: the closer you get to the answer to these creatures,

764
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: the less people you could tell a bottom It wouldn't

765
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: it be even more ironic that if somebody took you

766
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: to the side into a dark room and said, oh,

767
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you everything you want to know, and

768
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: he told you the secret to Bigfoot, and when you

769
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: walked out of that room you realize you couldn't tell

770
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: anybody that you just had to live with it, because

771
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: either the answer is to disturbing or it sounds so

772
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: crazy and you have no proof that they're not going

773
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: to believe you, so it wouldn't be all that. Once

774
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: you did have it, there's nobody to tell you just

775
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: have to live with it. And that is the perfect

776
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: set up for the final part of our interview, the

777
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: Secret Bigfoot responding to the more skeptically minded or or

778
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: the critics or the people who are saying what gives.

779
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: We'll be back after a word from our sponsor, and

780
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: we're back continuing our Bigfoot discussion with David Bakara of

781
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: Expedition Bigfoot. My question is something we haven't discussed in

782
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: terms of why we're not finding the bones. I was

783
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: just kind of doing a little googling, and one perspective

784
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: is that we don't know how the lifespan of these

785
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: creatures could be, and if they are some kind of

786
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, what's the word, I'm looking for supernatural creatures,

787
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: maybe they live a really long time, and that's part

788
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: of why we haven't found the new bones. And also

789
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: they are apparently, you know, from all accounts, very rare.

790
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: Can you respond to that and someone. I don't know

791
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: anybody that has conventure the lifespan of one of these things.

792
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: I do know that are reports of old ones that um,

793
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: we we're seeing. Somebody was fella was choppolwood in Florida,

794
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: and this is back in the forties or fifties, and

795
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: one had walked out of the woods and it must

796
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: have been drawn to the sound of wood shopping. And

797
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: he said, and he said, this thing was gray from

798
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: what wh't white? It was gray, and it was he

799
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: was wheezing to catch its breath. It actually had to

800
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: put his arm on a tree and catch his breath

801
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. Then after a few seconds it started

802
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: to move on again. So that's about the only proof

803
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: I have that they get old. I would even venture

804
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: to guess the whole they get. I mean, they have

805
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: no form of modern medicine that we have. UM. I

806
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: do know that the reports of the of the fee males.

807
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: As soon as the baby is born, they take it

808
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: down to the nearest creak and wash it off. And

809
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: some of those creeks are extremely cold, like too cold

810
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: for us to to uh to survive in. So it's

811
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: possible that's something that the mortality rate of the young

812
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: ones isn't particularly high or you know, possible they don't

813
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: live long. So that's that's a good question. No, I

814
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: don't really know. I don't think anybody really knows. But

815
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: we do know they get old. We do know they

816
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: start off as babies, because there's plenty of reports of

817
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: of young ones. It just gets my imagination kind of churning, like,

818
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: what if they live hundreds of years and they're being

819
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: so few of them. That could be a potential reason

820
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: for not finding more remains. And the fact that you know,

821
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: the woods, the forests have a way of dealing with decomposition,

822
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: and scavengers carry pieces off in various directions. It could

823
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, yeah, this climate has a lot

824
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: to do with the preservation of any physical remains, and

825
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: forests are hungry, hungry biomes, so it's it takes a

826
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: lot of consistent, assiduous work to maintain any human structure. Uh,

827
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: if you leave a body in the forest. I don't

828
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: want to get too dark, but anyone who's checked out

829
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: our previous episodes on National Parks knows that hundreds of

830
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: people just sort of disappear. We forget how large the

831
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: woods are in North America on this continent especially, And

832
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: I've got to say before the break one thing that

833
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: that really uh got my gears turning, David, when you

834
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: talked about someone going into a shadowy side room. It

835
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: always reminds me of one of those things that almost

836
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: everybody assumes happens when with with presidents, right like, Oh,

837
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to reveal all these classified secrets. I'm going

838
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: to uh approve every f o I A or Freedom

839
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: of Information Act request and uh and then they get elected.

840
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: The joke is alway is you know, someone sits them

841
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 1: down and says, congratulations, Mr President, here are the things

842
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: we will tell you. And if you tell anyone and

843
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: then you know, maybe they slide a picture of Kennedy

844
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: across the desk or something. And I know that's I

845
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: know that can be paranoid or alarm is. But a

846
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of truth is often told in jest.

847
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: And we wanted to ask, do do you think that

848
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: there is a concerted effort to suppress evidence or or

849
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: incredible testimony of Bigfoot? Oh? Absolutely, Oh, there certainly is.

850
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: And like I said before, it might be for a

851
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: good reason. I don't think Bigfoot is for everybody. I've

852
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: met a lot of folks through my life, a lot

853
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: of folks that come through the museum. These folks there

854
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: is there are no way ready to accept the reality

855
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: of a giant Harry hammetted roaming our woods. They impervious

856
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: for the most part, to our small arms that can

857
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: outrun a car. No, I don't think people most people

858
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: aren't ready for it. So um, there's definitely a considered

859
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: effort to keep it quiet. There's a lot of folks

860
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: that the professionals that were threatened to with their job.

861
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: Do you like working here in this biology department? Yeah?

862
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: I do you like your paycheck? Yes? I do? Then

863
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: stop talking about Bigfoot. So um lots some sometimes they

864
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: tiptoe around it. Sometimes they'll go right to them and say,

865
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: just stop talking about Bigfoot. There's no doubt that there

866
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: is a conservative effort to keep these things squashed down.

867
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: But for those that choose to keep digging, I think

868
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: you should continue to do so. I mean I do,

869
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: and I've got a lot of friends that do. But

870
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 1: you have to know in the back of your mind

871
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: that you're not going to go up on a mountain

872
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: and scream the answer to Bigfoot. To all the unwilling

873
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: people you're there's only going to be a very small

874
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: amount of people that you can share this with. And

875
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: depending on what that information is, where you go next

876
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: with that. I don't know where you're going next with it,

877
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: but I'm venture and to guess that that it's going

878
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: to be so disturbing that you you can't tell your

879
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: mother and your father, and your brother and sisters. If

880
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: they're not an interestent Bigfoot, you're not gonna be able

881
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: to tell him. And you wouldn't want to tell them.

882
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: Let them have their normal life, go to work, watch

883
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: the ball games on the weekends, go to the kids,

884
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: tea ball against They don't need to know about this stuff.

885
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: So I've had people call me and tell me, Hey,

886
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: I think I've got a big foot on my property

887
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: and I've got a big thirty YT six. I'm a

888
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: good hunter. If I shoot this thing and I call you,

889
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: will you help me? We'll bring it. And I said,

890
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: I said, not only do I not want you to

891
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: call me, I said, lose my email address. Do not

892
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: call me if you've got a body one hens, because

893
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: if you think that the powers of being gonna let

894
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: you to drag a dead Bigfoot body out into the

895
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: world to prove to all these unwilling people. They don't

896
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: want to know Bigfoot's reel. Stop do you go as

897
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: far as you want to with Bigfoot? If he's in

898
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: your yard, you've got one that you feed, take it

899
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: as part of you see what you can get out

900
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: of it. Said, don't try to drag the whole world

901
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: into it, because reality, most people they just don't want

902
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: to know the reality, and frankly, I can't blame them.

903
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: So that to me is a massive conundrum because the

904
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: one thing that would prove Bigfoot is a body, right,

905
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: That is the one thing that everyone would be forced

906
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, this thing is real, and every skeptic

907
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: there's ever been, if you have enough scientists, look at

908
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: the thing, do an autopsy. You know, all the genomic

909
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: research realized, Wow, this thing is real. But you know,

910
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: being afraid of the consequences of finding one of those things.

911
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: Trying to put those two concepts together is, uh, that's fascinating.

912
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: What do you think even if you're just spitballing, what

913
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: do you think that secret is? That would be so scary?

914
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: Like do you know? Or do you think you know?

915
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: But I can say that that at some point and

916
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: person's life, if you're looking into these and a certain

917
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: a lot of researchers get to this point, you're gonna

918
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna come to a ye in the road. What

919
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Do you want to get the

920
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: proof that these things are real? Or do you want

921
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: to go to the left? Do you want to learn

922
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 1: where they come from? What they're doing here? How many?

923
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: Why are they here? Why do they do the things

924
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: they do? You're either gonna have to let the proof

925
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: thing go. Just let it go, man, because you know

926
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: most of your friends know, you know, the higher ups

927
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: in the government know it's real. So most of the

928
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: people that read accepted, they already know Bigfoot's real. So

929
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: that's already done. Now let's get onto the real work.

930
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: Let's find out why are they here, what are they

931
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: doing here? How do they get here? Why don't we

932
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: find them in the fossil records? Why aren't we why

933
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: don't we find more events? All these things we discussed,

934
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: it really leads to something to um Seth. Breed Love

935
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: just released a new film called The moth Man of

936
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: Point Pleasant Sweet. So I've been following The Mothman phenomenon

937
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: because very similar to Bigfoot. Actually same, but it's very similar.

938
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: And uh I sat and watched some of his witnesses,

939
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: and it's just like watching a Bigfoot witness. They're telling

940
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: you what they saw. It wasn't a fleeting shadow. It

941
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: was chasing them down in their car. It was flying

942
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: over their car. These were just regular honest people telling you.

943
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: You swear they were telling you Bigfoot story, but they're

944
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: telling you instead this thing was flying chasing it with

945
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: glowing red eyes, which actually Bigfoot has been described as

946
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: having glowing red eyes, having nothing to do with light,

947
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: it just makes them glow. So you have to take

948
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: some of these creature stories that have gone through our folklore,

949
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 1: which maybe aren't folklore, that have very solid witness reports, evidence, footprints,

950
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: and you have to start to ask yourself, where in

951
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: the hell are these things coming from? And you you'll

952
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: arrive to a very unpleasant and unconventional answer that they're

953
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: not from here. They don't live here. There's no moth man,

954
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: and we don't have a mothman breeding system thing out

955
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: in the woods suwhere these things aren't mating. They don't

956
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: live here. And in I'm starting to entertain the thought

957
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: that Bigfoot's they're not here all the time, They're just

958
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: here some of the time. And rona more hit is

959
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: hidden nail when he talked about these quorantum physics, about

960
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: these certain animals being able to cross veils of reality

961
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: or dimensions. People call it supernatural, some call it woo,

962
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: some call it um, they have other names for it.

963
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: But all it really is is just science. We don't

964
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: understand yet. It's all it is. It's and and everything

965
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 1: is every science that we understand now. At some point

966
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: in the past it was it was woo or supernatural.

967
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: It was science. We didn't understand that. People were afraid

968
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 1: of it. People were burned to the steak because people

969
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: we're talking about things that they understood that the rest

970
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: of the world didn't. You're a witch, were burning you,

971
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: which is pretty much what's going on now with a

972
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: lot of of professionals talking about Bigfoot. So it's just

973
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: science we don't understand yet. And um, I don't have

974
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: my thumb on it yet. I'm still digging. I've got theories.

975
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: I've got some really good friends, very smart friends, that

976
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: have their theory. We kind of have this little brain.

977
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: If this brain mal we all get together and share

978
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: ideas and we all learned from each other. But but

979
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: like I said, I really think that the closer you

980
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: get to the answer to this, the less people you

981
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: have to tell. And I really appreciate what you say

982
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: about science we don't understand yet. It's one of I

983
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: think it refers to one of the Arthur C. Clark

984
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: quotes that we we find ourselves going back to a

985
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: time and again on the show, which is um science

986
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: past a certain threshold is indistinguishable from magic, you know,

987
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: to the average person and to and to UM. There's

988
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: a nice dovetail between what you just said and Knowle's

989
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: earlier questions about lifespan, because if it if it is

990
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: life form that is somehow out of phase with reality

991
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 1: as we know it, then it may also be encountering

992
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: time in a different scale. That's just me spitballing, like

993
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: I just I'm winging it on, not completely agree. So

994
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: I do want to ask also, you mentioned Uh, you

995
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: mentioned another cryptid, and I wanted to step outside of

996
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: just the context of Bigfoot into um this sords zoology

997
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: in general. Do you think there are other um quote

998
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: unquote cryptids that have a credible chance or or a

999
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: possibility of being real organisms and if so, which ones?

1000
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's just so many. Um. I definitely

1001
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: think there's uh this flying humanoid phenomenon that's been happening

1002
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: for been a reporter for past sixty seven years. I

1003
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of ability to that, especially when

1004
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: you sit down, if you get a chance to watch

1005
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: that movie and you hear these people like, oh my god,

1006
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: just that right there, Yes, flying humanoid creatures. If them

1007
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: things are real, let's face it. I mean that just

1008
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: kicks the barn doors wide open. Well. Actually got to

1009
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 1: visit the Mothman Museum endpoint. Pleasant. Not nearly as impressive

1010
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: as your joint. I have to say, Hey, it's not

1011
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: shade man, it's just true. We actually didn't get to

1012
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: tour the facility. It was they let us in to

1013
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: buy some merch but it kind of got to peek

1014
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: back in and it was just like one little room,

1015
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: but really interesting town and like a similar kind of

1016
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: passion from the guy that ran the store. Um. But

1017
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: there's this bizarre little statue of the Mothman right outside.

1018
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 1: It looks kind of like a Masters of the Universe

1019
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: actually figure from the eighties but like a sculpted like

1020
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: twelve pack and like a weird but there's a lot

1021
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: of time, but yeah, it is. It is a very

1022
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: iconic figure there, you know. And it was one of

1023
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: the full disclosure. We were on a road trip. It

1024
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: was this whole situation, but we we couldn't pass up

1025
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 1: the chance to go to Point Pleasant. And I think

1026
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: I think it's divided. I don't know how how you felt,

1027
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: but I think there are people who feel it is

1028
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 1: touristy or ironic, and then there are people who genuinely believe, uh,

1029
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 1: many of whom are probably long time residents of Point

1030
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: Plus because it's like you say, these accounts are very passionate.

1031
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: You know, someone's not. They have no reason to make

1032
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: this up other than I mean, it would put them

1033
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: in a light they maybe you don't even want to

1034
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: be seen and if they didn't have a reason to

1035
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: actually put it out there. But ultimately, in the end,

1036
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: they're just accounts, right. So that's that's the hard the

1037
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: thing about finding actual proof or physical proof, that's what

1038
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: makes it so difficult. Yeah. I think one of the

1039
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: great little face that's the great little off stories about

1040
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: them off Man is when they talk about these men

1041
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: in black. Yes, they were visiting these these people in

1042
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: the Men in Black visit UFO witnesses. They also visit

1043
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: Bigfoot witnesses. So it doesn't seem be like a whole armor.

1044
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: These guys. I mean they always show up two at

1045
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: a time. And um, just recently some video was released

1046
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: of two of them entering a business building. We need

1047
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: to talk to a guy. They actually have photographs of

1048
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: them coming the same thing, all wearing all black. But

1049
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: a lot of good people said these guys were just

1050
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: very strange. Um, they would leave people out in the

1051
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: field when they wouldn't change the story. They just left

1052
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: him there. And so um, just that that we act

1053
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: about cryptids. I mean, I don't know our and the

1054
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: black cryptids. I don't think they're human. I think there's

1055
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: some kind of weird hybrid. But they're they're definitely here

1056
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: to keep the lid on the Pandora's box. And that's

1057
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: really what it is. It's the where where the lid

1058
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: is on Pandora's box, and there are people to make

1059
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: sure that lid stays on there, because you kick that

1060
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: lid off of there, all hell's gonna break loose. And

1061
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody, including me, wants that that to happen.

1062
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, you really have to be careful about

1063
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: about what you say, the kind of information, and who

1064
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: you tell. That's why some people come in. Hey, this

1065
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: is my brother Jim from Milwaukee. He thinks this whole

1066
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: thing is ridiculous. Would you convince him that it's not? No,

1067
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: because he likes he just likes that's the way he

1068
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: likes it. Or guess the way we're gonna leave it.

1069
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: Ben mentioned the tourism aspect of like that Mothman museum

1070
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: and you know it cut it in some ways relates

1071
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: to expedition big Foot as well. It's a destination that

1072
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: gives you a reason to visit a place that you

1073
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: might not visit otherwise. Right, So, um, how do you

1074
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: how do you think or how does it affect you

1075
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: when you hear people talk about oh, that's just a

1076
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: tourist destination or something like that. I'll tell you something

1077
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: when we when we first opened up, my wife was

1078
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: prepared for the onslaught of naysayers. She actually wanted me

1079
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: to prompt her and to like, Okay, what do they

1080
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: say this honey, and what do they see this hole?

1081
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: And then then what do I say. I say, honey,

1082
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: just just let's just see what happens when do you

1083
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: open the doors. Doesn't this is not somebody running through

1084
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: all kinds of weird scenarios that aren't gonna happen. So well,

1085
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: since we opened up the doors, let me tell you something.

1086
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: I'll bet you nine people that come in they're there

1087
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: are already people that they're either on the fence or

1088
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: they think they're real, which completely knocked me and my

1089
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: wife off the We're like, are you kidding me? I

1090
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: think maybe two people have come in. We did twenty

1091
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: four thousand visitors in the first eleven months last year.

1092
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: I've got two people I can't remember. I'm just saying,

1093
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: how to be somebody. I but somebody had to come

1094
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: in and say this whole thing is nonsense. So I'm

1095
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: gonna say at least two two people came in. But

1096
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: for the most part, people come in, they're excited. They

1097
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: love this kind of stuff because there's so few of

1098
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: these things out there anymore. Back in the fifties and

1099
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: sixties or our mom's and dads were driving and there's

1100
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: all kinds of neat, little roadside attractions. People love that

1101
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: kind of stuff cat you out of the normal hum drums,

1102
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: same old thing. So there's so much room. I wish

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01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: somebody else would open up another one. Who put up

1104
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: another Mothman museum or a lizardman museum or a UFO museum.

1105
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: I think people love that kind of stuff. It's in

1106
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: his escape and it's got to be a family museum.

1107
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: That's why g rated movies are still the biggest money maker,

1108
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: and on the movie industry it's always g They're always

1109
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: the biggest money grossers because people want to do something

1110
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: with their family. I want to go somewhere with my

1111
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: mom and my sister and my my and my two grandkids.

1112
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: So this is this and other opportunities should be made

1113
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: available to go and have fun with the whole family.

1114
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: You have to hike up a mountain. Grandma, grandpa, mom,

1115
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: dad and the grandkids could all do it together. We

1116
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: need more places like this and places they give homage to,

1117
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, history and folklore and mythology. I love like

1118
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: any of that kind of stuff that continues those traditions.

1119
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: That's that's fun. Have you ever heard of a book

1120
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: or TV series called American Gods? Because the three of

1121
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: us have been watching the series and you never heard

1122
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: of this. Okay, it's fantastic. Neil Gaiman, guy, he's an author,

1123
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: and it's in this story. One of the concepts that

1124
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: central to the plaw in the theme is that God's

1125
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: exist in this In this instance, we're talking about everything

1126
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: from Odin to Leprecauns and Faye people too. Yeah, ef frets,

1127
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,439
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff. It's mythological in a way,

1128
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: but one of the main tenance is that they only

1129
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: exist because people believe in them. But they really do

1130
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: exist because people believe in them. And I wonder if

1131
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: Bigfoot in some way is like this because we believe

1132
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: because you know, some people believe it is a truly

1133
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: a thing. Is this going way way at this interesting?

1134
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: Pretty wild man? No? I love it, No, no, I mean,

1135
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: but but maybe it's if we want to ground it

1136
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: more in some sort of pseudo reality. Maybe it's about

1137
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: whether or not they choose to come back or not.

1138
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: Right like so we're talking about they're blipping in and

1139
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: out of this reality or you know, this dimension. Maybe

1140
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: that is there, there's some some force that keeps them

1141
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: coming back and be it's some palpable version of what

1142
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: you're talking about and maybe it's just like they go

1143
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: to wherever they're originally from and say, I just get

1144
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: back from Earth, the search for intelligent life continues, or

1145
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: they just get bored and they're hanging out here because

1146
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: it's a little different. I have one I have one

1147
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: big question that I think a lot of people have

1148
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: on their mind right now. And I wish we could

1149
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: get to more stuff, but I know we may be

1150
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: close to the end of the show. Uh So the

1151
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: question that if it's okay with you, guys, I would

1152
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,439
Speaker 1: like for us to close on, is to ask you

1153
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: what is the future of Bigfoot? What? Because we had

1154
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: mentioned before, um, you know, there were concerns from some

1155
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: of your colleagues in the community about the effect of

1156
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: human encroachment upon natural environments, and uh I would like

1157
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: to hear your opinion of where you see both the

1158
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: search for Bigfoot and the organs them itself. Well, there's

1159
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: a lot of new shows that there's a couple. There's

1160
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: actually one new show out tailing Bigfoot. I'm not sure

1161
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: if it's still in the air where they want to

1162
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: procure a specimen so they can prove to the world

1163
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: it's real. There's a group out in Texas right now,

1164
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: called the Texas Bigfoot Conservacy that's doing the same thing.

1165
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: They're trying to procure a specimen to a shooting ko

1166
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: one bringing out show the whole world it's real. But

1167
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: my personal opinion is that what we should do is

1168
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: just continue what we're doing. Stop. That's the last thing

1169
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: we should do, is to prove to the whole world

1170
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: that these things are real. I've said the same thing

1171
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:34,919
Speaker 1: to my friends. I'm I'm gonna say it right now.

1172
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: The first thing that's going to happen if on the

1173
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: one million out of a thousand chance that this thing

1174
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: ever was ever proven to be real. Number one first

1175
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: thing that can happen is they're gonna cut off our

1176
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: access to them. No more citizens, scientists, leave this up

1177
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: to the professionals, so you won't be able to go

1178
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: out there was and try to associate with these things,

1179
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: or find them or learn more. The government's gonna cease

1180
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: control over the whole thing by just saying that they're

1181
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: protected species. You can't. And you go on the woods

1182
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: and you're looking for you're harassing them. You want to

1183
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: feed up your harassing them, You make it woo knocks

1184
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: and rock lacks. You're harassed and I'm knocking off. So

1185
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: the worst thing you can do has proved the world

1186
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: the real because the first thing that's gonna happen, we

1187
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: won't be able to have access. Right now, we're pretty

1188
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: much unfettered access to them. So the future is just

1189
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: trying to learn more about them. Don't worry about the evidence,

1190
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: learn more about them because it's extremely complex. So um,

1191
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: hopefully we don't. We're not. We're not gonna have anymore

1192
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: proving Bigfoot is real. TV shows, I think hopefully we

1193
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: have a new show that comes out where it's they're

1194
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: not worried about the proof about trying to get one

1195
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: on film. That that when you start getting to the behavior,

1196
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: why do they do that? I'm gonna lift this sound

1197
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: they left me a dead rabbit, or I lift out

1198
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: a bag of apples and left me a mouse wrapped

1199
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 1: up in the leaves or something. Get that stuff on film.

1200
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: I think people would be just as curious about that

1201
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: because try and spending years trying to get him on film, Well,

1202
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: that's a waste of time. Man. It's very difficult, just

1203
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: from from killing big Foot's but they're little taglines right

1204
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: up about it says they're determined to stop. Well, first

1205
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: of all, it's the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Organization, which you

1206
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: had mentioned, the one of the Bigfoot field researchers organization,

1207
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: that's one of the other main ones. So these guys

1208
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: want to stop these nuisance bigfoot from attacking people's homes

1209
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: and property. Uh and including the missions harvesting a specimen

1210
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: one rogue mail will be taken to prove once and

1211
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: for all to science that these creatures exist. A rogue mail,

1212
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: They're gonna take him down a rogue I think a

1213
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: lot of people have been a rogue mail at some

1214
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: top point in their life. David big Harreth, thank you

1215
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: so much for coming on the show. I know that

1216
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: we have um just scratched the surface of something that

1217
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: you have spent decades investigating. And not only do we

1218
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: appreciate your time time, but we'd like to ask uh.

1219
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: One thing that we like to do on the show

1220
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: is recommend places where the people in our audience can

1221
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: go to for more information. And you've cited a couple

1222
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: of books, but is there any other literature or any

1223
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: other resource that you'd like to recommend to people to

1224
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: One of my favorite series of books is by Tom Powell,

1225
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: author Tom pollas th H O M P O W

1226
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: E l L. He's a long time one of the

1227
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: founding members of the b F R OH. He's done

1228
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 1: some a lot of very important work and if you read,

1229
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: he's got three books out right now. One of my

1230
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: favorites is Um the Locals God. That just excellent book.

1231
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: Just reading that one book is a matter of because

1232
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: there's so many you just can't read them all. I

1233
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: think just reading that one book, we'll give you a

1234
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: honest fourth right and objective you into the Bigfoot phenomenon. Fantastic.

1235
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And where can people Where can

1236
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: people find more information about you? David mccarat and Expedition Bigfoot.

1237
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: You can find us on the web at the Expedition Bigfoot.

1238
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: We've got an app, a website and a Facebook page

1239
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: you can all people post all kinds of pictures on.

1240
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: There's funny a lot of museums don't let people take pictures,

1241
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: but people are so excited. It's the first thing they ask,

1242
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: can you take pictures? I just didn't have the heart

1243
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: to tell him no, so I and uh, I think

1244
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 1: people are relieved it. Yes, you can come in. There's

1245
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: all kinds of pictures post on us. You have an

1246
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: idea as to what you can expect. There's nothing scary

1247
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: in there. A lot of kids come in. It's funny

1248
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: because we have the music plane and they get nervous.

1249
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: You can see the trepidation as soon as they crossed

1250
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 1: the threshold, like they take two steps and they stop, like,

1251
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 1: I don't worry. It's just a museum. There's nothing gonna

1252
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 1: scare you back there. But it's extremely interesting. I was

1253
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: gonna say that one we took a picture with that

1254
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: one black what it was. It was just like, yeah,

1255
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: it was like a knife with a tall black guy. Swatch.

1256
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: That is very intimidating, not scary intimidating. Well, it's just

1257
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's got presence, right, Uh. It owns the

1258
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: room and the And where are you guys located? We're

1259
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: on Highway five fift nineteen thirty four Highway five fifteen

1260
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: and Cherry Log, which is about four miles south of

1261
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: Blue Ridge, about eight miles north of l Ja. And

1262
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: this concludes our episode today, but not our show. We

1263
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: hope that you enjoyed today's episode, and we hope that

1264
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: while you are online. Uh, go ahead and check check

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01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: us out to give us a give us, drop, drop

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Speaker 1: us a line, an online missive of some sort um.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if you happen to make it to

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Speaker 1: UH Expedition Bigfoot, send us some cool selfies with the

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Speaker 1: big hairy man ape thing and exactly. Oh and if

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Speaker 1: you have stories about your own uh inflatable encounters in

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Speaker 1: the wild, we are all ears or this case eyes

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Speaker 1: because we would be reading the email who I am

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Speaker 1: within it on the end the show. Somebody step in

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Speaker 1: and save me. Okay, So if you do have any

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Speaker 1: kind of experience, especially a detailed one, send it to

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Speaker 1: both us and to David at Expedition Bigfoot, because there's

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Speaker 1: this this big wall in the museum that just has

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Speaker 1: personal accounts. A lot of times it will be a

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Speaker 1: drawing that someone made of their experience, what they saw

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Speaker 1: with a you know the whole story right now. We're

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Speaker 1: a response team too. If somebody has a siding here

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Speaker 1: ongoing siding in their yard or on their property, we

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Speaker 1: have a team that will go out there and UH

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Speaker 1: investigate it. Awesome. We're not going to prove it's real,

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Speaker 1: because we already know it's real, but we will help

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Speaker 1: you understand it, and that's the end of this classic episode.

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