Speaker 1: All media.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you.
Speaker 3: It happen here a podcast trying to figure out why
Speaker 3: some of the most powerful people in the world want
Speaker 3: everyone to think that they're gamers.
Speaker 2: It is it is your host me along with me
Speaker 2: as Garrison Davis. I I've I've played a video game before.
Speaker 2: I'm not very powerful, but I too have played many
Speaker 2: several video games. See I wouldn't I wouldn't say several.
Speaker 2: I've I've played like a few many. I have played
Speaker 2: too many, simply too many video games. So okay, this
Speaker 2: is this.
Speaker 3: Is in some ways kind of a lighter episode, because
Speaker 3: Jesus fucking Christ, everything's really depressing. Is something going on
Speaker 3: out there, It's all really bad, And one of the
Speaker 3: people who's been making everything really really bad is Elon Musk,
Speaker 3: who has somehow managed to like piss off the gamers.
Speaker 2: The PayPal guy, the PayPal guy, the owner of X
Speaker 2: I've I've been I've been locked in my uh in
Speaker 2: my gamer cave for the past like five months. I've
Speaker 2: not left. I'm just hearing about this now. Yeah you might.
Speaker 2: You might.
Speaker 3: You might know of him as the guy who paid
Speaker 3: another guy to play Path of Exile two for him.
Speaker 2: We will get to that I don't play those games.
Speaker 2: Those games are gay. I only play Nintendo huh, Mecca
Speaker 2: games and hell Divers two like a loser. That's that's reasonable,
Speaker 2: that's reasonable. Those are those are those are fine games.
Speaker 2: Oh and Sonic Oh god, okay.
Speaker 3: Pushing aside the subject of Sonic, So okay, I want
Speaker 3: to take a look a bit about why this sort
Speaker 3: of matters and why all of these fucking really rich
Speaker 3: assholes are sort of trying to pretend to be gamers.
Speaker 3: And I think the place to start here is with
Speaker 3: the fact that gaming is in one hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: four point three billion dollar industry. Todd Harris, who is
Speaker 3: extremely annoying guy but is also right, points out that
Speaker 3: this is more money than TV, movies, and music combined.
Speaker 3: So this is the largest entertainment market in the world,
Speaker 3: old by such an astounding margin in terms of just
Speaker 3: dollar value.
Speaker 2: Right, something like.
Speaker 3: Three billion people play video games. It's mostly mobile games,
Speaker 3: which makes the story I'm about to tell very weird
Speaker 3: because the actual people who play these games, again, it's
Speaker 3: a lot of mobile games, and it's also mostly people
Speaker 3: who are women and non white. And yet, however, Comma,
Speaker 3: when people think about like the gamer TM you are
Speaker 3: not thinking about.
Speaker 2: That, yeah, like as a political class.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you know, like when people say the word gamer, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're thinking of a bunch of weird in cell right
Speaker 3: wing dipshits who are white and suckass. And this is
Speaker 3: in large part because gamer Gate was sort of the first,
Speaker 3: like truly effective political mobilization of like the gamer as
Speaker 3: a political identity.
Speaker 2: And obviously this is you know, this is a fascist movement. Now.
Speaker 3: Part of the reason this works, and we're gonna be
Speaker 3: getting more into why this sort of works later, but
Speaker 3: part of the reason this works is that this is
Speaker 3: an extremely large group of people because it's new. No
Speaker 3: one has sort of defined it as a political identity before,
Speaker 3: and it's also filled with people who are extremely insecure
Speaker 3: about their identity as a gamer because this is a
Speaker 3: relatively new medium, which is why everyone fucking either wants
Speaker 3: their games to be like treated like movies or some shit,
Speaker 3: or they want it to be sports because those are
Speaker 3: sort of cultural things with enormous amounts of money, and
Speaker 3: then that are taken like quote unquote more seriously.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And so the effect of this is that the cultural
Speaker 3: affect of being a gamer is extremely important to these people.
Speaker 3: And this is true actually really both on the left
Speaker 3: as much as it is on their right. There are
Speaker 3: a lot of like sort of political figures. I don't know,
Speaker 3: you're sort of like online people who come out of gaming,
Speaker 3: like h Bomber guy, I guess an example, like Hassan.
Speaker 3: To some extent, there's just like a lot of people
Speaker 3: who are like gamers and then by sort of like
Speaker 3: become political. But on the other hand, game has always
Speaker 3: been like a not always but has traditionally been an
Speaker 3: extremely right wing space. Oh god, Garrison, I feel like
Speaker 3: you will actually appreciate how fucking shit this is. Have
Speaker 3: I told you the story about Kebab the German No?
Speaker 2: Oh boy?
Speaker 3: Okay, so back in the dawn of Time I played
Speaker 3: a lot of Hearthstone as a kid, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I wasn't like, good.
Speaker 2: Is that like a resource management type game for like
Speaker 2: gae autistic people. No, this is this is the world
Speaker 2: of Warcraft card game. Okay, that's that's even more embarrassing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: really bad, really bad.
Speaker 3: I think I think I peaked at like two k
Speaker 3: legend North America, which like technically speaking is like top
Speaker 3: like half a percent of players in the world's.
Speaker 2: Digital collectible card video game.
Speaker 3: Come on, Oh yeah, yeah, but two k legend na
Speaker 3: is like fucking shitter ranks.
Speaker 2: It's bad.
Speaker 3: I was never like good, good at it. I was
Speaker 3: just like okay, kind of. But you know, this is
Speaker 3: like a thing that I did growing up, and something
Speaker 3: I remember is like all of the fucking Heartstone streamers
Speaker 3: and these were like really big streamers would play music
Speaker 3: from this guy they called Kobob the German and it
Speaker 3: turns out that his actual name was removed Kobob because
Speaker 3: he was a fucking German neo Nazi.
Speaker 2: Well many such cases, yeah.
Speaker 3: For people who like are not aware of of like
Speaker 3: mid twenty tens German fascism. Remove Kebob is like a
Speaker 3: slogan calling for the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Turkish
Speaker 3: people in Germany.
Speaker 2: So great stuff, great stuff.
Speaker 3: This is just was just sort of like the water
Speaker 3: you were swimming in if you were a gamer in
Speaker 3: like the twenty tens. Now this goes some way to
Speaker 3: explaining something that I noticed kind of recently, which is
Speaker 3: the absolutely bizarre obsession these tech CEOs like who want
Speaker 3: to be thought of as gamers. And so the two
Speaker 3: examples we're gonna look at are Sam bank and Freed's
Speaker 3: and this is this is really technically on both sides
Speaker 3: of the political spectrum. Right, We're gonna look at Sam
Speaker 3: Banker Freed, and we're gonna look at Elon musk Are
Speaker 3: new O. Lord, I guess, so we're gonna start with
Speaker 3: Sam Bankmon Fried, and you know, as we go through
Speaker 3: what's happening here, we're gonna sort of unravel why it's
Speaker 3: so important to them to be seen as gamers. And
Speaker 3: I guess it is important to know like Sam bakmon
Speaker 3: Fried like is I guess like he is a gamer
Speaker 3: in the sense that like he's like addicted to video
Speaker 3: games effectively and just plays them fucking literally constantly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks the part too, no offense.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, before before he was put in prison for
Speaker 3: twenty five years for fraud.
Speaker 2: Well probably not anymore. He's probably gonna get part of God.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll see, we'll see. I don't know. Crypto vote,
Speaker 2: it's the most valuable voting block. Now all young Americans
Speaker 2: are too poor to open bank accounts, so they put
Speaker 2: all their money in crypto. So now they're gonna vote
Speaker 2: for whoever makes line go up.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna become the joker, So okay, then think about
Speaker 3: Sam magon FRIEDA for people who have forgotten who SBF is.
Speaker 3: He is the guy who was the founder of FTX,
Speaker 3: which was like a crypto change that was actually effectively
Speaker 3: a giant scam where he took everyone money embedded on
Speaker 3: the stock market and lost it.
Speaker 2: And you know, Robert did a sort of behind the
Speaker 2: bassarides on him.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that happens constantly is that
Speaker 3: he's just like always fucking playing video games. He's playing
Speaker 3: this really dogshit game called Story Big Bralgy Meetings. He
Speaker 3: is a League of Legends addict, which is like as
Speaker 3: as as any gamer will know a person who plays
Speaker 3: League of Legends all the time, like one of the
Speaker 3: worst categories people who's ever existed. And one of the
Speaker 3: things that that SBF did as as a sort of
Speaker 3: pr thing right was let the author Michael Lewis of
Speaker 3: the Big shorts We're gonna get to Moneyball in a second,
Speaker 3: blindside other books.
Speaker 2: Reparatable financial advice books, is what I'm hearing.
Speaker 3: But you know, like a very very powerful, influential and
Speaker 3: wealthy American journalists just let him sort of tag along
Speaker 3: and and Michael Lewis's sort of angle on understanding him,
Speaker 3: and this is something that like ICBF was like you know,
Speaker 3: was like projecting right in order for this to be
Speaker 3: the image of him, was him as like the gamer.
Speaker 3: And this sort of just like baffles Michael Lewis right
Speaker 3: because he just like doesn't understand someone who just has
Speaker 3: ADHD and plays video games all the time and doesn't
Speaker 3: give a shit.
Speaker 2: So he plays video games stream meetings like no one
Speaker 2: has ever been like this. I have no idea what
Speaker 2: you mean.
Speaker 3: I actually don't play video games stream meetings because it
Speaker 3: is too obvious.
Speaker 2: But I play. I play video games a once a week.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's kind of my Oh.
Speaker 3: God, this is the one part about sam Bakmon Free
Speaker 3: that's relatable to me. I play so many video games.
Speaker 3: It is my like antidepression strategy, basically, like when I
Speaker 3: need to not think for a while, there's just MEO
Speaker 3: playing Actually pat the faxtyle too. One of the games
Speaker 3: that we're gonna be fucking talking about today, something.
Speaker 2: That I play a lot of.
Speaker 3: I've done so much fucking gaming, Like god, I used
Speaker 3: to play this game called Smite, which is like a
Speaker 3: it's like a mob like League of Legends, but like
Speaker 3: third person and I played so much Smite that they
Speaker 3: were pro showing my casual games. When the Zoomer Revolution
Speaker 3: comes and they execute the gamers and they execute b
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be like, yeah, you know that's reasonable.
Speaker 2: Like I can't argue with that. All in form the council.
Speaker 2: I'll aet our next spokes Council meeting. I'll bring it
Speaker 2: to the table.
Speaker 3: But you know, so, so what what what what happens
Speaker 3: with this sort of thing is that is that Michael
Speaker 3: Lewis's image of SBF becomes as this gamer who's doing
Speaker 3: these completely incomprehensible things. He's mind must be so unbelievably
Speaker 3: brilliant totally because he's just like playing fucking.
Speaker 2: Video games all the time.
Speaker 3: And and this gets to one of the aspects of
Speaker 3: why these people do this, this sort of like pretending
Speaker 3: to be a gamer thing and and like and like
Speaker 3: SBF like is a gamer, right, but like why they
Speaker 3: why they make us part of their cultural image, which
Speaker 3: is that a lot of the traditional media people, even
Speaker 3: though gaming is an enormous industry, it's it's extremely profitable
Speaker 3: and is enormously culturally powerful. It doesn't have the same
Speaker 3: kind of critical culture around. It doesn't exist that you would.
Speaker 2: See for something like movies or like respectability in some way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: except in like the reversed Sam Bankman freedway, where like
Speaker 2: the schlubbiness is part of what makes him like an
Speaker 2: extent your genius, right, like like like that era of
Speaker 2: like Silicon Valley guy. Yeah, that's like he's he's so different, right,
Speaker 2: Like he's he's he's not like put together, and this
Speaker 2: like shows how he's like a new and innovative thinker.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like it's kind of like a
Speaker 2: double edged sword in like that specific way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, this this is all a feedback loop, right,
Speaker 3: because like part of it not being respectable is that
Speaker 3: someone like Michael Lewis, right, who was like as establishment
Speaker 3: of a journalist as there's ever been. These people don't
Speaker 3: play video games. They're one of the figures people who
Speaker 3: just like don't game. Are these like traditional mainstream sort
Speaker 3: of access journalists, right, And so they run into this
Speaker 3: shit and they have no fucking idea what the hell
Speaker 3: is going on, And it's just really really easily just
Speaker 3: sort of like bamboozle them by just doing something that
Speaker 3: any gamer like you know you like you show a
Speaker 3: gamer like a League of Legends addicts, and they will
Speaker 3: instantly be able to just like read this person like
Speaker 3: a fucking book. Also, by the like gaming addiction like
Speaker 3: is like kind of a fake thing. I'm like mostly
Speaker 3: joking here, but also like leg of Legends makes you
Speaker 3: a worse person. It simply does. You just get mad
Speaker 3: all the time. I know too many League Legisp players
Speaker 3: of my goddamn life. Holy shit, terrible game. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: arcane though, right, all right, oh god, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 3: take an ad break, and then when I come back,
Speaker 3: I'm going to explain part of why this worked, which
Speaker 3: is the unique incompetence of Michael Lewis.
Speaker 2: Well, I look forward to that. I love hearing about
Speaker 2: unique incompetence.
Speaker 3: So we are back now, Okay, Obviously, part of the
Speaker 3: reason this works too is, you know, as I've been
Speaker 3: talking about, right, like these these really out of touch
Speaker 3: sort of like mainstream journalists who just don't understand an
Speaker 3: enormous market.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: But Lewis is in some sense kind of a special
Speaker 3: case because he is really truly an unbelievably globle, dumbass.
Speaker 3: And to get an understanding of this, I'm going to
Speaker 3: go into something that Lewis in theory understands a lot better,
Speaker 3: which is sports. So he Lewis has written two of
Speaker 3: them famous books ever written about sports, right. He wrote Moneyball,
Speaker 3: which is just the book that we're gonna be talking about,
Speaker 3: which we'll get to in a second. And he wrote
Speaker 3: The Blindside, which is another book that they talk about
Speaker 3: on Behind the Bassarge and go listen to that, But
Speaker 3: I want to go in on Moneybomb. Moneyball is supposed
Speaker 3: to be this book about how this underdog an athletics
Speaker 3: team invented like baseball metrics, and they use sabermetrics to
Speaker 3: like like build this roster out of nothing that like
Speaker 3: went to the playoffs and did really well. And like
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get into the extent to which
Speaker 3: this was kind of a mirage about that Oakland A's team,
Speaker 3: Like whatever, I'm not gonna argue about baseball statistics. What
Speaker 3: I will argue about is that one of the characters
Speaker 3: in this fucking book, right, who's one of the sort
Speaker 3: of like underdog geniuses, and like Michael Lewis loves to find, right,
Speaker 3: is this guy named Paul Pedesta, and he is he
Speaker 3: is like one of the main figures in this book.
Speaker 2: He's like, he's kind of like an assistant coach. Basically,
Speaker 2: what baseball team is this? Oh?
Speaker 3: This is the Oakland Athletics are now the last Vegas
Speaker 3: Athletics or some shit.
Speaker 2: I don't know that they moved to Vegas. I don't
Speaker 2: know what they're called the athletics now.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, they were originally called the Athletics. I don't
Speaker 3: know what they're called now. They've always been the well
Speaker 3: except what just calls them the Oakland A's. They've been
Speaker 3: the A's forever. But yeah, they've they've also been stolen.
Speaker 3: Las Vegas has now stolen both the football team and
Speaker 3: the baseball team of Oakland.
Speaker 2: Oh see, I was thinking of the football team, yeah,
Speaker 2: because I was like, wait a minute, didn't didn't Las Vegas.
Speaker 3: Theators go there too? Yes, yes, they stole both of them.
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2: And I am more of a baseball head than a
Speaker 2: football head.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so okay, unfortunately we're gonna talking about football here.
Speaker 3: So this guy, right, Paul Podesta's like one of these
Speaker 3: sort of geniuses. She later goes on to be it's
Speaker 3: kind of unclear exactly what he was doing in the organization,
Speaker 3: but he is hired by the just absolutely wretched the
Speaker 3: football franchise, the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2: Now to get an understanding of how wretched the Cleveland
Speaker 2: Browns are.
Speaker 3: My opening statement for him on the Browns is it
Speaker 3: is genuinely unclear how responsible Paul Podesta is for the
Speaker 3: Browns over the course of two seasons going one in
Speaker 3: thirty one, which is a feat of like just absolutely
Speaker 3: sucking shit that is unrivaled in any other major American sports.
Speaker 3: I think until the fucking moon crashes into the Earth,
Speaker 3: no one is going to fucking go one in thirty
Speaker 3: one into cluss two seasons of football again, so again,
Speaker 3: that is a one in fifteen season followed by an
Speaker 3: oh in sixteen season the second oh to sixteen season. Ever,
Speaker 3: unclear how responsible for this he is, but what he
Speaker 3: is responsible for is the Shawn Watson trade. Okay, it's
Speaker 3: like mea, why the fuck you're talking about this? Part
Speaker 3: of this is also like these people are just evil.
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson is a serial sexual predator. I couldn't get
Speaker 3: an accurate estimate of how many women, specifically massage therapists
Speaker 3: mostly have accused him of sexual assault. He is like
Speaker 3: one of the worst people in the entire NFL, which
Speaker 3: is a league of a lot of people who absolutely
Speaker 3: fucking suck shit, So so that that's the first thing
Speaker 3: you have to understand about Watson's He is just really
Speaker 3: fucking like morally reprehensible, right, He is like a bad
Speaker 3: enough sexual predator that the NFL actually fucking suspended him.
Speaker 2: For a season.
Speaker 3: And Paul Podesta, who again is the guy whom Michael
Speaker 3: Lewis is supposed to be like touting, is like this
Speaker 3: genius analytics guy, decides that he is going to set
Speaker 3: up this deal for his team to trade for Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 3: who've been on the Texans, And again, like Garrison, like,
Speaker 3: imagine how evil you have to be for the Houston
Speaker 3: Texans to trade you on fucking moral grounds.
Speaker 2: Nia, Do you expect me to know anything about the
Speaker 2: Houston Texans.
Speaker 3: It is a team from Houston, Texas.
Speaker 2: That's all you need to know about this. And they
Speaker 2: traded this guy. Hey, at least it's not Austin. No
Speaker 2: offense to our Austin listeners.
Speaker 3: They fucking traded this guy, right, and Popadesta orchestrates this
Speaker 3: trade that is three is it is the worst trade
Speaker 3: in the history of football.
Speaker 2: It is three first.
Speaker 3: Round picks, two thirds, two third round picks, and a
Speaker 3: fourth round pick. And they hand this guy who, again
Speaker 3: I kind of emphasize this enough, is a serial sexual predator, right,
Speaker 3: they hand him two hundred and thirty million guaranteed dollars,
Speaker 3: the largest guaranteed salary the history of the NFL. So, okay, So,
Speaker 3: how does Shan Watson, like again this guy who's being
Speaker 3: held up by the guy who like is now laundering
Speaker 3: being a gamer as like the great symbol of sort
Speaker 3: of like cultural like being.
Speaker 2: A rogue outsider.
Speaker 3: Right, how does Deshaun Watson his greatest fucking project due
Speaker 3: on the field. So in his first season he basically
Speaker 3: got injured immediately In his second season in weeks one
Speaker 3: through five out of out of seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: nine quarterbacks. Since the year two thousand, to start weeks
Speaker 3: one through five out of again seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: nine quarterbacks, he ranks seven hundred and fifty three out
Speaker 3: of seven hundred and fifty nine EPA for dropback seven
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty three out of seven hundred and fifty nine.
Speaker 3: They traded three first round picks for this guy. He
Speaker 3: has a mind boggling an EPA of negative point three,
Speaker 3: which means every time the serial sexual predator drops back
Speaker 3: to make a pass, they are expected to get point
Speaker 3: three less points than an average team would.
Speaker 2: How did you trick me into being on a sports episode?
Speaker 2: I only agreed to this because I thought it was video.
Speaker 3: Game, don't We're we're we're almost we're almost done with
Speaker 3: the sports part of it. But there, I promise there
Speaker 3: is actually a reason why I'm doing this, which is
Speaker 3: which is the argument, that's that that sports and the
Speaker 3: sports and gaming actually serve very very similar cultural roles
Speaker 3: for the right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, yes, I understand that. I can I
Speaker 2: can see that. Yes.
Speaker 3: Also, I've always wanted to fuck you complain about this
Speaker 3: on area and this is this is the best fucking
Speaker 3: chance I've ever gonna get, So Jesus fucking because that's.
Speaker 2: Like what I talk about, like movies or something. Is this, yes, Yes,
Speaker 2: this is what it feels like. Is this what I
Speaker 2: sound like? Yes, it is. It is absolutely what you
Speaker 2: sound like.
Speaker 3: So this guy is like a generationally awful quarterback, they
Speaker 3: sign away basically the entire future of this team hand
Speaker 3: this guy who is a serial sexual predator two hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty million dollars. And this is the guy that
Speaker 3: fucking Michael Lewis expects you to think is like a
Speaker 3: fucking analytics genius. And this all comes back to again, like,
Speaker 3: you know, the sort of mythology, the basic mythology of
Speaker 3: the nerd is that they're like picked on, like by
Speaker 3: the jock or whatever. Right, Like that's like the fundamental
Speaker 3: base of their mythology that there' are like oppressed by this.
Speaker 3: But like it's just like the same masculinity bullshit all
Speaker 3: the way down. And you can watch, like, just like
Speaker 3: the worst people in fucking history, this trick literally exactly
Speaker 3: the same people into thinking that they're fucking geniuses by using,
Speaker 3: by using both of these fucking affects. So I want
Speaker 3: to read something, you know, in looking at the way
Speaker 3: that this stuff functions, the way that gaming functions, like
Speaker 3: specifically in the culture, and and you know why these
Speaker 3: people choose to use gaming as like, you know, as
Speaker 3: as this sort of affect they're trying to project into
Speaker 3: the world. I want to read Something by a friend
Speaker 3: of the show, Vicky Osterwel and a piece called game Boys.
Speaker 3: Video games also emerge at a time when technology facilitates
Speaker 3: an increasingly administered life in which alienation and isolation feel
Speaker 3: like a prerequisite to social engagement. Consumer choice is a
Speaker 3: form of control. An unbounded economic competition produces widespread anxiety
Speaker 3: to structure as pleasurable the repetition, learning, and boredom that
Speaker 3: one must master to live under current economic conditions. Games
Speaker 3: rely on affects, moods, and ideas that are capable of
Speaker 3: producing not only forms of violence directed towards non normative groups,
Speaker 3: but also forms of intimacy, fantasy, and play that point
Speaker 3: towards the horizon outside of capital's clutches. Games provide different
Speaker 3: compensations for people who are differently situated in the social hierarchy.
Speaker 3: They give white men aggrandizing power, inventions fantasies that modulate
Speaker 3: their sense of self importance under conditions that disempower them,
Speaker 3: but they are also capable of giving everyone else the
Speaker 3: fantasy of an alternative to white supremacist patriarchal capitalism. This
Speaker 3: has been particularly clear in how queer creators, writers, and
Speaker 3: fans have found space in and around games despite the
Speaker 3: organized harassment campaigns, intensely misogynist industry advertising campaigns, and widespread
Speaker 3: critical and cultural degradation of games that aren't played by
Speaker 3: CIS men. So I think the important thing here, and
Speaker 3: this is something important to you remember both for Sam
Speaker 3: Bapen Freed and also for the construction of right wing
Speaker 3: gaming movements in general, and for like what we're going
Speaker 3: to talk about with Elon Musk is that gaming is
Speaker 3: contested ground.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: As much as we think of gamers as like right wingers, right,
Speaker 3: there are a lot of what you would call it,
Speaker 3: you like traditionally sort of left flooming demographics that play
Speaker 3: video games and have made spaces here because as much
Speaker 3: as they are in some ways like this force of
Speaker 3: discipline that like is something that you learn, the kinds
Speaker 3: of like ability to tolerate boredom and repetition and things
Speaker 3: like that that you know you use for fucking work,
Speaker 3: they're also a thing that people use to like escape
Speaker 3: the fucking hell world totally. And like, I mean I
Speaker 3: know this right, Like I am fucking like I'm a
Speaker 3: Chinese chance better, he's better at video games, and both
Speaker 3: the people have been to be fucking talking about in
Speaker 3: this story, right, Like, well I.
Speaker 2: Heard, I heard his Path of Exile character was actually
Speaker 2: quite advanced.
Speaker 3: But oh, we're gonna where we're gonna talk about the
Speaker 3: Path of Exile character fucking next, you know. But but I
Speaker 3: mean it's it's worth mentioning like speed running, right, which
Speaker 3: is a very very trans genre.
Speaker 2: Competitive gaming in general, competitive fighting games, Yeah, it depends.
Speaker 2: It depends a lot on the genre.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like competitive fighting games like yeah, Melee, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna briefly mention Sonic Fox, who is a black, non
Speaker 3: binary furry who's like one of the greatest fighting game
Speaker 3: players of all time, incredibly beloved, the only person in
Speaker 3: history ever to beat someone thirteen to zero in a
Speaker 3: first to eleven, absolute legend.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: But you know, these are the people that these sort
Speaker 3: of like fascist adjacent people are trying to drive out
Speaker 3: so they can use gaming as like as a sort
Speaker 3: of cultural force. And this functions both in gaming and
Speaker 3: also fuck it in real life. Right now, these people
Speaker 3: are in power, and you know who else is in power.
Speaker 3: It's a product and services to support this podcast, All hail,
Speaker 3: we are back now. Obviously, the other part of this,
Speaker 3: you know, we've talked to it. We've talked mostly sort
Speaker 3: of about racial politics, but there's there's an incredible sort
Speaker 3: of gender politics in gaming. And you know, the thing
Speaker 3: about gaming, right is that it is to some extent
Speaker 3: a tool that people use to cope with, like, you know,
Speaker 3: the realization of the violence of the gender system. And
Speaker 3: like I am also doing this as much as the
Speaker 3: fucking weird white guy nazi like gamer dipshit.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's why I hooed up f F seven
Speaker 2: remake Hysteric Cloud Strife for hours on end when I'm
Speaker 2: feeling sad.
Speaker 3: But you know what the problem with what's happening here, right,
Speaker 3: is that like the right, like that we're experiencing violence
Speaker 3: and sort of different ways, but it's like the systemic
Speaker 3: violence from the gender system that is the same system,
Speaker 3: but these people's solution to is to blame it on women, right,
Speaker 3: And this is you know, I had a conversation with
Speaker 3: Vicky about this where a lot of this stuff is
Speaker 3: sort of drawn from and like I would compare it
Speaker 3: to like you know, lots and lots of people deal
Speaker 3: with social isolation right and deal with this violence, but
Speaker 3: like you know, on the other hands, most of us
Speaker 3: don't become mass shooting.
Speaker 2: Most most Yeah, I would say that's that's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and so and so we can look at
Speaker 3: the structural forces that produces people and also just go
Speaker 3: like fuck them, like eat shit, like I'm sorry, you've
Speaker 3: you've become Nazis, like fuck off.
Speaker 2: Skill issue in some ways among other environmental factors.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, but but also a lot of times
Speaker 3: these people aren't fucking like they're not dealing with shit
Speaker 3: at all, mostly, right, I mean like yeah, like okay,
Speaker 3: Like Elon Musk's weird insecurity is to some extent because
Speaker 3: of the gender system, right, but like, also he is
Speaker 3: the richest man in the world's the most powerful man live.
Speaker 3: He's one of the most powerful people who has ever lived.
Speaker 3: And he still has the same sense of like aggrievement
Speaker 3: that powers all these people. And this is like one
Speaker 3: of the key things of like the gamer mythos, right,
Speaker 3: is that these people constantly believe that they're being oppressed
Speaker 3: by like jocks or whatever. And now it's it's been
Speaker 3: shifted into this not anymore. Yeah, Now now they believe
Speaker 3: that they're that they're being oppressed by like fucking women
Speaker 3: in minorities, right.
Speaker 2: And and it's actually the people who actually doing the
Speaker 2: oppression is now all of the doge nerds at the
Speaker 2: top of the system. Now it's been we have we've
Speaker 2: had we've had a we've had a full Uno reverso.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, these people.
Speaker 3: Have always been at the top of the fucking system,
Speaker 3: right and like. But but it's this affect, it's it's this,
Speaker 3: it's this feeling they have of their of them being
Speaker 3: the ones who are oppressed, that like you know, made
Speaker 3: them into the shock troopers that we saw with gamer Gate.
Speaker 3: If you're gonna read one Vicioskalral thing, and I'm signing
Speaker 3: her a lot because I think she's done a lot
Speaker 3: of the best critical reporting on video games, which is
Speaker 3: a field that I feel like we just haven't done
Speaker 3: much critical shit with. Like, I mean, there's been lots
Speaker 3: of stuff about working conditions in the games industry which
Speaker 3: are fucking terrible, and it's good, but like, as a medium,
Speaker 3: there hasn't been anyway near as much critical engagement with
Speaker 3: it as there's been with like film or music. But
Speaker 3: if you're gonna read one thing from her, read a
Speaker 3: piece called goon Squad, which is about the sort of
Speaker 3: like fascist reaction to the really broken state of Cyberpunk
Speaker 3: twenty seventy seven when it came out. And one of
Speaker 3: the arguments that she makes is that these gamers are
Speaker 3: being i mean literally being used as like scabs and
Speaker 3: pinkertons against people who make video games, and you know,
Speaker 3: and this expands out to like workers more broadly, they're
Speaker 3: literally being used to silence anyone who talks about the
Speaker 3: problems with like this game that like when Cyberpint twenty
Speaker 3: seventy seven came out, it was literally giving people seizures
Speaker 3: because it was it had just like fucking strobing flashes
Speaker 3: and bullshit anthe they didn't warn anyone about because it
Speaker 3: was a broken.
Speaker 2: Shitty game.
Speaker 3: And you know, they're also used for just like anti
Speaker 3: queer and like anti feminist rasping campaigns, and that's that's
Speaker 3: how they're sort of mobilized in real life too. And
Speaker 3: and that gives you an insight into why these people
Speaker 3: sort of like do this signaling, right, is that they're
Speaker 3: also like signaling to their base that like I am
Speaker 3: one of you, et cetera, et cetera, like you should
Speaker 3: fucking support me for this shit. Now pivoting a little
Speaker 3: bit so when I was first talking about this episode,
Speaker 3: I kept on accidentally saying Sam Altman as that of
Speaker 3: Sam Bankman freed, because like.
Speaker 2: Then they said, yeah, in many such cases, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like the last the last fucking white boy scammer named
Speaker 3: Sam has been replaced by an additional subsequent white boy
Speaker 3: scammer named Sam. And it turns out though I looked
Speaker 3: up Sam Altman and he has also been doing this
Speaker 3: like gamers stick thing totally.
Speaker 2: Like specific in interviews with Elon Musk. Yeah. Yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 2: They're both fucking doing it now.
Speaker 3: And this brings us to the man who has spent
Speaker 3: the most time publicly lying about fucking video games recently,
Speaker 3: which is Elon Musk. And Elon Musk is like not
Speaker 3: really a gamer. I would say, like he sort of
Speaker 3: plays video games.
Speaker 2: He's a Kenemian user. He's a Twitter power user. He
Speaker 2: is the shadow President, Yeah, the chisman of the world's
Speaker 2: bridges man who's ever lived. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also, he is really obsessed with everyone thinking that he
Speaker 3: is like a he's an elite video game player in
Speaker 3: like multiple games.
Speaker 2: He's obsessed with this. He's also I believe the term
Speaker 2: is a meme. Lord h if I'm reading this right,
Speaker 2: Oh god, what one of his path of xtyle two characters.
Speaker 3: I didn't put it in the script because it's actually
Speaker 3: not the one we're going to talk about, but one
Speaker 3: of his characters in that game was named Kekius Maximus,
Speaker 3: So like, this is the level of mind.
Speaker 2: That that is one of his favorite names. In his
Speaker 2: White House office, he has a he has a Kechius
Speaker 2: Maximus portrait hanging behind his desk. There's an AI generated
Speaker 2: image of like pet Bee the Frog and like and
Speaker 2: like Roman, like like Caesar at higher I hate everything.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is the guy who reads the country now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oops.
Speaker 3: So Elon Musk has been lying about being good at
Speaker 3: video games, and the preface to everything we're going to
Speaker 3: get to you is that he has. Actually he's like for
Speaker 3: a long time been doing a like I'm a gamer thing.
Speaker 3: So his his kind of problems, and I think really
Speaker 3: the origin of the weird paying people to make him
Speaker 3: look like he's good at video games thing that we're
Speaker 3: gonna get you in a second. This is something that
Speaker 3: blue Sky user gay Dog reminded me of because I'd
Speaker 3: forgot he has so many gaming scandals. I'd forgotten about
Speaker 3: this one, which is that he at one point posted
Speaker 3: his build for the hit game Elden Ring, which is
Speaker 3: very difficult game, and he had two different shields equipped,
Speaker 3: which makes.
Speaker 2: Literally no sense.
Speaker 3: It's like over encumbered, Like it's okay, like the best
Speaker 3: eesspimation I've tried to I figured out for like how
Speaker 3: bad at this game he is? Is that posting this
Speaker 3: build on Twitter is the video game equivalent of going like, hey,
Speaker 3: look at my fucking sports cards, stepping into like the
Speaker 3: shittiest call you've ever seen, and then like slamming the
Speaker 3: accelerator with the parking break.
Speaker 2: On Hey, I love the masdamiata Like that's that's like
Speaker 2: the gaming equivalents.
Speaker 3: And everyone who looked at me immediately was like, this
Speaker 3: is the dumbest man who has ever lived. This man
Speaker 3: has no idea what the fuck he is doing. He
Speaker 3: is just like like unable to understand basic fundamental systems
Speaker 3: about this game, like just baffling incomprehensible bullshit.
Speaker 2: And this was like kind of a scandal for him.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like a huge one, but like especially like
Speaker 2: this is one that sort of broke onto the left
Speaker 2: a lot, and people were giving him shit about it.
Speaker 2: So the next time he wanted to brag about having
Speaker 2: been good at video games, he very clearly like paid
Speaker 2: someone else to like accomplish some stuff in this game
Speaker 2: called Diabo four. I'm not gonna talk about diebol stuff
Speaker 2: much because I'm a Path of Exile player, not Diabble players.
Speaker 2: The Diablo and path backs are like fairy.
Speaker 3: Much the same kind of game aim basically, like you
Speaker 3: click somewhere and your character goes there and you click
Speaker 3: other things that it does attacks. But famously, like this year,
Speaker 3: he pretended to be one of like the best Path
Speaker 3: of Exile two players in the world, and he was
Speaker 3: doing this on his alt ac count, which is has
Speaker 3: to handle. It's Cybergamer for twenty, but the all the
Speaker 3: e's are threes. So with CYB three r GA M
Speaker 3: three R four twenty Wait.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, say say that again.
Speaker 3: It's at CYB three r GA M three R four twenty.
Speaker 2: So I think I found something. I think the four
Speaker 2: to twenty at the end is actually a reference to
Speaker 2: Hitler's birthday April twentyth God damn it.
Speaker 3: So okay, he like claims to have one of the
Speaker 3: like the best characters in hardcore, which is a mode
Speaker 3: of Path of X or if he died once you
Speaker 3: get kicked out of it. So it's very hard. It's
Speaker 3: to like prove that he actually did this. He like
Speaker 3: does a live stream where he tries to play Path
Speaker 3: of Exile, like on a Twitter live stream, and it
Speaker 3: is immediately obvious that, like he has no idea what
Speaker 3: he's doing, Like it's not just obviously people who play
Speaker 3: the game. I hadn't played Path of Exil to at
Speaker 3: this point, right, I had only played the original one
Speaker 3: like a decade ago, like a little bit of it,
Speaker 3: And I took one look at what he was doing
Speaker 3: and immediately was like, this guy has never played this
Speaker 3: game before, like has no idea what he's fucking doing.
Speaker 3: Like it was so unbelievably obvious, Like he like walked
Speaker 3: past one of those valuable currencies in the game, just
Speaker 3: like walk past it, didn't notice it. It's like staggeringly
Speaker 3: obvious anyone who plays video games, This guy has no
Speaker 3: idea what the fuck he's doing.
Speaker 2: And this actually explodes on.
Speaker 3: Him and eventually he's forced to reveal that he paid
Speaker 3: someone to level his Path of Exile to account, and
Speaker 3: then he claims that he never claims that it was
Speaker 3: his path of XIL to account and this Jenny Weinley
Speaker 3: has been a real problem for him because it pissed
Speaker 3: off like the entire gaming scene. So you have videos
Speaker 3: with like millions of views from guys like Asthma Goold,
Speaker 3: who was like a he's a very famous right wing
Speaker 3: streamer who like sucks ass, like is like a turbo
Speaker 3: right winger, like spends his time screaming about how like
Speaker 3: black people in video games is dei and woke and
Speaker 3: how it's destroying the video game industry and fucking Asthma
Speaker 3: Goold is watching this video and being like this guy
Speaker 3: is a lying piece of shit, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: And like everyone fucking reacts like this. It's it's genuinely wild.
Speaker 2: I've never actually seen people like react to this, to
Speaker 2: like to elon like this and like again, like this
Speaker 2: is his allies on the right taking one look at
Speaker 2: this and being like, wait, this guy's just like lying. Now.
Speaker 3: What's interesting about about this to some extent is that, like, again,
Speaker 3: his whole thing here is he's trying to like pretend
Speaker 3: that he's like a pro gamer or whatever, but his
Speaker 3: affect is still largely targeted towards non gamers in the
Speaker 3: sense that like there's no way, I mean, okay, I
Speaker 3: guess it is possible that he genuinely is so ignorant
Speaker 3: that he believed that he could just pretend to be
Speaker 3: a top of Little Pets of Path of Exile player
Speaker 3: on a stream using someone else's account, But like, there's
Speaker 3: no way anyone who plays video games could fall for that.
Speaker 3: And a lot of people he talks to you about
Speaker 3: the stuff are people like Joe Rogan who aren't like
Speaker 3: gamer TM people. Right, it's like a lot of it's
Speaker 3: a lot of people who aren't gamers. And he's like
Speaker 3: sort of hyping up his reputation with and so he's
Speaker 3: really on the one hand, yeah, he is signaling to
Speaker 3: his sort of fascist bass, but on the other hand,
Speaker 3: he's trying to use the sort of like cultural cachet
Speaker 3: of of gaming as like the sort of renegade writ
Speaker 3: wing phenomena to like launder his reputation. Except he fucked
Speaker 3: up because he, you know, spent all of this time
Speaker 3: trying to like pretend to be a gamer. But the
Speaker 3: thing about gamers is that like there is literally an
Speaker 3: entire genre of video like on YouTube that is very
Speaker 3: very popular. That is just like people exposing people who
Speaker 3: cheated video games, cheated record to video games. And Elon
Speaker 3: has walk just like directly into this bear trap, right.
Speaker 2: And that means we got him, folks, mission accomplished. Wrap
Speaker 2: it up, we beat Elon us. It's over. He's he's
Speaker 2: been cast out of civil society with the high crime
Speaker 2: of pretending to play a video game. He has lost
Speaker 2: all respect among among the farthest reaches of the right.
Speaker 3: So what's next? We have what he has? He has
Speaker 3: one more scandal that we actually have to talk about.
Speaker 2: Is this about the one video game he hasn't played?
Speaker 2: Which is the funniest Elon musk gamer story in my opinion?
Speaker 2: Which which are you? Which one are you talking about?
Speaker 2: That's the one that that that he had to publicly
Speaker 2: announce that he he does not play GTA five. Oh,
Speaker 2: that was funny. I forgot about that because he doesn't
Speaker 2: like quote unquote doing crime and g t A five
Speaker 2: quote required shooting police officers in the opening scene. Just
Speaker 2: couldn't do it unquote. Oh, I really forgot about that.
Speaker 2: So that that proofs that at least he has some integrity. God,
Speaker 2: now some gamers might be sick individuals acting out you know,
Speaker 2: violence power fantasies. But at least Musk has some integrity
Speaker 2: to not harm police officers in GDA five. That really
Speaker 2: shows that there's like a moral compass behind all of this,
Speaker 2: you know, at times strange behavior.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's also like, that's also him signaling to like
Speaker 3: a different like the weird Christian part of the base
Speaker 3: that's like, oh, violent Sinfia games is bad because he's
Speaker 3: trying to single to all of his groups simultaneously, and
Speaker 3: all of them are like, this guy is a fucking
Speaker 3: loser who sucks ass and we hate him.
Speaker 2: It is pretty embarrassing. That doesn't bring me much joy
Speaker 2: because again, he is the most powerful man in the world. No,
Speaker 2: but it is mildly amusing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But so that there is a sort of serious
Speaker 3: note to this, which is that like the pushback he
Speaker 3: is getting here is like I think actually kind of
Speaker 3: is significant. So the last thing I want to talk
Speaker 3: about it is him pretending to have been like a
Speaker 3: quake pro which the thing that he did quake, And
Speaker 3: there's a very interesting video about this by the YouTuber
Speaker 3: Carl Jobs, who is like his thing is like people
Speaker 3: who fake who like fake things in video games basically,
Speaker 3: and he is like not a leftist, He's like like
Speaker 3: a center right guy basically. I mean, there's arguments about
Speaker 3: exactly how far right he is. But he did a
Speaker 3: video about about Elon claiming to be a quake player
Speaker 3: and what he found so is Elon like apparently did
Speaker 3: actually play in an early quake tournament, but none of
Speaker 3: the good players were there, and he he came his
Speaker 3: team came in second, but they came in second because
Speaker 3: they had better WiFi than everyone else and so they
Speaker 3: had less latency, which made them invincible until they ran
Speaker 3: into a team that also had good WiFi, and then
Speaker 3: he got destroyed, which I just I just think it
Speaker 3: is funny, right, That's like a classic Elon Musk story,
Speaker 3: which is he he has this theme claiming that he's
Speaker 3: like a fucking gamer legend, but it's actually because he
Speaker 3: had more money than everyone else until he ran someone
Speaker 3: who had the same amount of money that he did
Speaker 3: and just got destroyed. But the reason I bring this
Speaker 3: up is that, like at the end of this video,
Speaker 3: Jobstays goes on this whole thing about how and this
Speaker 3: is this is like a stronger statement against Elon Musk
Speaker 3: and I have seen from anything in the mainstream press
Speaker 3: where he literally goes on a thing where he says, yeah,
Speaker 3: every single thing that Elon Musk has been saying here
Speaker 3: is a lie. And because he is just obviously lying
Speaker 3: out of his ass, but literally everything in a field
Speaker 3: that I know, this means that I literally can't trust
Speaker 3: him when he says anything about any other fucking field
Speaker 3: that I don't know.
Speaker 2: And this is a real shift, right.
Speaker 3: I have never seen a mainstream journalist write down Elon
Speaker 3: Musk is just clearly a liar about this, and so
Speaker 3: you should not be able to trust anything else he
Speaker 3: fucking says. This is a larger degree of pushback than
Speaker 3: anything else ever fucking seen outside of like the left
Speaker 3: about what Elon Musk is doing, and like just the
Speaker 3: willingness to just be like this guy is a fucking
Speaker 3: just just a serial liar, Like everything says is a lie.
Speaker 3: He literally calls him a con like, says that his
Speaker 3: activity is like a con man. He says the things
Speaker 3: that he's saying are like either liars or delusional. There
Speaker 3: is a kind of like shift happening right now where
Speaker 3: people like, really you are turning on him. There's day
Speaker 3: that happened literally today where Ubisoft. You know, ubi Soft
Speaker 3: is a famously like not a leftist company, right, Like
Speaker 3: they've done a lot of horrible, fucked up sexual assault stuff.
Speaker 3: So Elon's mad at Ubisoft because one of their games
Speaker 3: has a black guy as like a character in it,
Speaker 3: and literally the official Assassin's Creed account replied to one
Speaker 3: of his tweets saying, is that what the guy playing
Speaker 3: your Path of Axile two account told you? And like
Speaker 3: replied and replied to a thing about Hassan like we
Speaker 3: we are genuinely seeing a shift in this space, right
Speaker 3: this thing that had been like a really really consistent
Speaker 3: base of support with people like Elon is kind of
Speaker 3: fracturing against him, is sort of being polarized against him
Speaker 3: by just like the fact that he's just is so
Speaker 3: obviously cynically pandering to them, and how unbelievably transparent it is,
Speaker 3: and like obviously, like I don't think like the gamers
Speaker 3: are going to like fucking rise up or whatever. But
Speaker 3: the actual serious point to all of this other and
Speaker 3: like looking at the ways of fascism, like why these
Speaker 3: people do this, and like gamers is like a demographic
Speaker 3: that's important to these people. Is that like, the way
Speaker 3: that you destroy a coalition by this isn't necessarily by
Speaker 3: flipping everyone over to your side, right, that.
Speaker 2: Doesn't happen that often.
Speaker 3: But one of the ways you can do this, and
Speaker 3: this is, you know, to take a really really dramatic example,
Speaker 3: this is how the Bolsheviks won the October Revolution. They
Speaker 3: got their opponents to allies to stay home and that
Speaker 3: was enough enough. People just staying on the fucking sidelines
Speaker 3: when the Bolsheviks like came for Curenzi's government was enough
Speaker 3: for them to take power. And I think like the actual,
Speaker 3: like the actual serious points of this is that the
Speaker 3: only way that we get out of this mess is
Speaker 3: by just systematically tearing away these people's coalitions so that
Speaker 3: when the confrontation with these people comes, there are enough
Speaker 3: people who would be their supporters who just fucking stay
Speaker 3: home that they can they can be stopped.
Speaker 2: So this is at Mia Wong publicly calling for the
Speaker 2: start of gamer Gate two.
Speaker 3: Gamer Get two is already happening, damn it, this is
Speaker 3: gamer Gate three.
Speaker 2: This is an open call to begin Gamergate two point
Speaker 2: five right now on. Behalf of me along, because are
Speaker 2: you at me? A oh no, and then hopefully and
Speaker 2: I'll finally usher in the American Bolshevik Revolution after we
Speaker 2: get enough gamers just to stay home or even better
Speaker 2: rise up right, we can we can make some kind
Speaker 2: of graphic with like a fist holding a controller or
Speaker 2: a keyboard, if you're a nerd about it.
Speaker 3: Gamers are the cosacks. We've got to get them to
Speaker 3: knock back the regime. That's actually the fine revolution where
Speaker 3: they stood down. But you know, same point, same point.
Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, geez fuck, I am one of the.
Speaker 3: Biggest things of Like people need to remember that that
Speaker 3: Lenin did not overthrow the czar. He overthrew Kerensky, who
Speaker 3: was kind of a socialist guy who was from the
Speaker 3: provisional government. In between the first Okay, we're done, We're
Speaker 3: done here, We're done here, we're fucking out, we're leaving.
Speaker 2: What games are you play? What case if my playing
Speaker 2: path extyl too? Don't play Rotato it will consume your life. Okay,
Speaker 2: play robo quest. Roboquest is great.
Speaker 3: Rob Request dares to ask the question, what if, like
Speaker 3: the art style of Borderlands was used for a game
Speaker 3: about rehabilitative justice, but also you're doing a roguelike with
Speaker 3: like Doom's combat.
Speaker 2: That sounds very gay, so I probably can't do that.
Speaker 2: Then I do Hell Divers to nearly every Monday. Armored
Speaker 2: Corps six Course six rules, love that game, Love that game,
Speaker 2: Sonic X Shadow Generations, Final Fantasy seven, and I'm waiting
Speaker 2: for Mecca Break to come out for like their their
Speaker 2: official release now that the beta's closed. Unfortunately, the character
Speaker 2: selection is very gooner coded. Many many such cases. No,
Speaker 2: I made sure to make the smallest the smallest chest
Speaker 2: size available on my on my model. But the gameplay
Speaker 2: is fun. This has been It could Happen here? I
Speaker 2: good they pay me for this. I had. I had to.
Speaker 3: Watch so many videos about Deshaun Watson and fucking clips
Speaker 3: of of of Elon Musk playing video games for this.
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