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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck and

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Speaker 2: Jerry's here too. Jerry's being quiet and this is Stuff

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Speaker 2: you should Know, the hair metal Ish edition.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we've done a lot of New

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Speaker 1: York centric episodes over the years, and I feel like

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Speaker 1: we haven't given La their due, a city that I

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Speaker 1: know you love dearly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the one other city in the world New York.

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Speaker 1: In La No, I just La, and especially this episode,

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Speaker 1: this Sunset Boulevard. The street there aren't many, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a handful of iconic streets in the world,

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Speaker 1: and Sunset Boulevard is one of them because it's just

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Speaker 1: been historically packed with I mean, it's not just like

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Speaker 1: film stuff. It's music stuff, it's literary stuff, it's comedy stuff,

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Speaker 1: all sorts of like iconic cultural staples on Sunset Boulevard.

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Speaker 2: Right, And it was obviously very well known inside of

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Speaker 2: LA for years, but it wasn't until the early twenty

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Speaker 2: tens before the rest of the world heard about it,

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Speaker 2: thanks to the Aaron Sorkin show Studio sixty on the

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Speaker 2: Sunset Strip.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I actually watched that for a little while.

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Speaker 2: It was unwatchable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't very good.

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Speaker 2: Somebody just breaking out into a moving soliloquy every seven

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Speaker 2: minutes is the most unrealistic writing anybody could ever possibly do.

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Speaker 3: That's Aaron Sorkin, baby, I know.

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Speaker 2: But it only worked for West Wing.

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Speaker 1: I didn't much West Wing at all, so I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen a lot of Sorkin stuff.

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Speaker 2: It really worked for West Wing, but it did not

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Speaker 2: work for Studio sixty.

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Speaker 3: I do love Sarah Paulson though she was in that.

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Speaker 2: Sure, that's great. I felt bad for.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did do a little bit.

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Speaker 2: What was great is thirty Rock came out at the

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Speaker 2: exact same time, and they would make fun of some

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Speaker 2: Studio sixties like a plot line.

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Speaker 3: Yes, in real time, Yeah, the whole what.

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Speaker 2: Was the Janis Joplin story? They had to like rename her, uh,

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Speaker 2: have rights to her life story? That was something that

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Speaker 2: Sarah Paulson like, got it a gig do playing Janis

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Speaker 2: Joplin on Studio sixty. So that's our Studio sixty episode, everybody.

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Speaker 3: That's right back to Sunset Boulevard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yes, we should probably just say all jokes

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Speaker 2: aside it's very long street. It's a very historic street,

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Speaker 2: and it actually dates back to the eighteenth century, before

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Speaker 2: the city of Los Angeles, as we understand, it was around. Instead,

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Speaker 2: it originated in the Pueblo de Los Angeles, which was

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Speaker 2: the little colony I guess or settlement of just eleven families. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was the seed that germinated into Los Angeles, home

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Speaker 2: of Joe Friday.

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Speaker 1: That's right in Sunset Boulevard before it became Sunset Boulevard,

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Speaker 1: like many famous streets, was originally used as something else,

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Speaker 1: and in this case, it was a cattle trail from

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Speaker 1: that downtown pueblo of Los Angeles all the way to

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Speaker 1: the Pacific. So it runs for twenty three miles. You

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Speaker 1: hear about, you know, Sunset Boulevard, you probably think of

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Speaker 1: the Sunset Strip, which is a less than two mile area.

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Speaker 1: But Sunset Boulevard there, you know, I used to live

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Speaker 1: on the east side and Silver Lake and Sunset Boulevard

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Speaker 1: over there is great and a whole other way than

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Speaker 3: How so well, I mean it's.

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Speaker 1: Just a cultural seed of you know, great restaurants and

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Speaker 1: cafes and music venues, and you know, it was sort

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Speaker 1: of the hipster thing back in the day when the

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Speaker 1: hipsters were still a thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Silverlake. That's there's that Shaggy Dog Mystery with Andrew

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Speaker 2: Garfield beneath the Silver Lake. Right.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that was pretty hipster. I think I saw that maybe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's worth watching, especially if you know it's a

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Speaker 2: shaggy dog mystery going into it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but a long way of saying that, it was

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Speaker 1: lot of things like that, would eventually become a real street.

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Speaker 1: It became Sunset Boulevard about one hundred years after that,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a couple of store origin stories for

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Speaker 2: where the name came from. I couldn't see what they

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Speaker 2: called it, like the westward side of Sunset Boulevard before

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Speaker 2: it was Sunset Boulevard. But I think in eighteen eighty

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Speaker 2: little towns, communities that were independent, and then Los Angeles

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Speaker 2: and so they apparently came up with the name Sunset Boulevard,

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Speaker 2: but it was another developer who appropriated it and used

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Speaker 2: it for the Sunset Boulevard. After that town of Sunset

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Speaker 2: never actually happened. It died on the drafting tape.

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Speaker 1: I guess is what you'd say, is that an industry

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Speaker 1: jargon it is now? Yeah, And you know, surely you

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Speaker 1: can see some some great sunsets because Sunset, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're not familiar with sort of the Hollywood basin,

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Speaker 1: there's a it's very grid like and there's a series

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Speaker 1: of east west streets. Hollywood, Sunset, Santa Monica are some

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Speaker 1: from the mountains, the Hollywood Hills. You know, there's the

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Speaker 3: So yeah, you can see some great sunsets, I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think originally it terminated on the east

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Speaker 2: of different neighborhoods, Echo Park, Pacific Palisades, Beverly Hills, Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: West Hollywood, like all these great neighborhoods I think are

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Speaker 2: in part great neighborhoods because it's chicken or the thing

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Speaker 2: is Sunset Boulevard great because these these neighborhoods around it

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Speaker 2: are great, Or are the neighborhoods great because Sunset Boulevard

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Speaker 1: I think it's a chicken meat egg and they just

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Speaker 1: shake hands and agree not to discuss it.

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Speaker 2: Let's never speak of this again.

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Speaker 1: Some film stuff and we're kind of jumping around between

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Speaker 1: things that made it famous, but generally in a timeline.

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Speaker 3: But early on it was obviously.

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Speaker 1: Hollywood was the birthplace of the film industry. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we've said it before. If you've never been there, you

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Speaker 1: might think Hollywood is just a euphemism for the film industry.

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Speaker 1: It is that, but it is also a real neighborhood

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Speaker 1: right in the center of the La Basin there, And

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Speaker 1: you know, it was originally just like all the other suburbs,

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Speaker 1: Don't know if he wasn't officially incorporated, but he made

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Speaker 1: Hollywood like a proper town and a place to live.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Hollywood or West Hollywood wasn't incorporated until

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Speaker 2: like the nineteen eighties, Is that right.

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Speaker 3: I think that was probably West Hollywood. Okay, we hope

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Speaker 2: Say, yeah, everybody knows that thanks to the studio sixty

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Speaker 2: so yeah, so Hollywood it was almost out of the

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Speaker 2: merged with Los Angeles. The next year, film studio started

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Speaker 2: specific area, the corner of Sunset Boulevard and Gower Street.

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Speaker 2: And even still today there's an original studio from that

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Speaker 2: area called Sunset Gower Studios and they're still making shows.

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Speaker 2: That's where Dexter was filmed, That's where Saved by the Bell,

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Speaker 2: the College Years was filmed. That's that's where yet six

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Speaker 2: really good shows have shot there, and it's an old,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I never shot there, but I got to as a

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Speaker 1: PA got to run an erran there once during while

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Speaker 1: Six Feet Under was being shot, so I've got to

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Speaker 1: see those sets and it was pretty pretty cool as

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Speaker 1: a six Feet Under fan.

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Speaker 2: What did you take something to Diddy? Is that what

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Speaker 2: it was? No?

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Speaker 3: No, No, that was to his actual house.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd disavow that entire delivery, though. Poverty Rose what

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Speaker 1: they called Sunset Gower at first because it was pretty

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Speaker 1: low budget at the time the things they shot there,

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Speaker 1: But in the nineteen thirties they started shooting some like

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Speaker 1: That Happened One Night and You Can't Take It with You.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Gower Gulch.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I never knew the history, but there's still

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Speaker 3: And that's where I saw Cherio Terry at a Starbucks.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and where there was a hopefully it's still

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because Hollywood, especially this area where all the studios

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Speaker 2: Columbia drug Store. Ye Is that still there?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean I feel like there's a right Aid and

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Speaker 1: that's probably what that was, But I may be wrong,

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Speaker 1: but you know, Gower Gulch lives on.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever go into that right Aid? And green Point? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: In Greenpoint in New York and Brooklyn. I think that

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Speaker 3: Oh cool, No, definitely not.

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Speaker 2: It is kind of cool. But anyway, this Columbia drug

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Speaker 2: the extras use it to call Central Casting to see

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Speaker 2: if there were any parts available for them. And there

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Speaker 2: was a high profile murder there too, right between a

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Speaker 2: couple of cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean I don't know if it was

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Speaker 1: quite a you know, take ten steps and draw kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah, but there was a shooter over I

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Speaker 1: think they were both seeing the same Philly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently one of them, Blackjack Ward, killed Johnny Tyke.

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Speaker 2: He shot him down once and then he told them

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Speaker 2: each reason he was shooting him, and every time he did,

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Speaker 2: he shot him again until his whole six shooter was empty.

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Speaker 2: Like he murdered that guy in broad daylight in front

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Speaker 2: of a bunch of people, and he still got off.

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Speaker 1: And someone said, boy, cast that dude. That's incredible. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that should be out of a movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they should make a movie about him. Sure.

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Speaker 1: Prohibition was when the party scene kind of moved in.

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Speaker 1: We promised talk of the Chateau Marmont. That is a

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Speaker 1: It was a place where you could go and party

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they had and I believe still have a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was delighted to see today. And for

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Speaker 1: It's not like I go there to, you know, get

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Speaker 2: There was one other thing. Dave helped us with us,

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Speaker 2: The name was Harry Cone, and he used to tell

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Speaker 1: well eventually hotel was called the Garden of Allah, and you.

437
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 3: Should look this place up. If you're, you know, someplace

438
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,959
Speaker 3: where you're not driving, and look at pictures of it.

439
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 3: It was pretty wondrous. I think it was a few

440
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 3: acres name.

441
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: For its original owner, it was a silent film star

442
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: named Ala Nazimova, and Alah had a lot of money

443
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: and bought a mansion there in nineteen eighteen. And then

444
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: when things it was sort of like, hey, come and party.

445
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: It was sort of like the New York salons at

446
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 1: the time, like the elite would party there. And I

447
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: think Nazamova was coined the phrase sewing circles as code

448
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: for lesbian and bisexual actresses at the time.

449
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw her described as the sapphik Mother of Hollywood,

450
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: like she is a LGBTQ icon from still today, but

451
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 2: from this era. And she was really famous and made

452
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: a lot of money. Apparently at one point she was

453
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 2: making thirteen thousand dollars a week, which is two hundred

454
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 2: and seventy six thousand dollars a week today, And so

455
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 2: according to the moral codes of the time, this was

456
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: decadent and depraved, but it was a safe place for

457
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: the stars who were closeted lesbians or closeted bisexual to

458
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: like come and like have affairs or make relationships or whatever.

459
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: It was just a really safe space, and Nazimova was

460
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 2: the reason why. Like she managed to keep a lid

461
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 2: on that as well while still like everybody went and

462
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: had fun.

463
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And you know, it went from a private

464
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: house where she hosted these salons to after the silent

465
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: film era, she didn't make the transition to the talkies

466
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: so well and so it was a little down on

467
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: her luck financially, and remodeled it as a hotel in

468
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty seven and it became sort of the same

469
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: version of the same thing, but as a hotel.

470
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. And I think as a hotel it

471
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: might have been less of a safe space, but probably

472
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: still carried it on some like from what I understand.

473
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: When it was their house, like it was lesbian central essentially,

474
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 2: and then once it became a hotel it was much

475
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: more open to I think everybody.

476
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. It's now a strip mall. It was

477
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: demolished fully unfortunately, but you can go look at great

478
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: pictures of it. It was across from the very famous

479
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: Schwabz Pharmacy, which was a lot of things there was

480
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: I think from the movie nineteen fifty one Sunset Boulevard,

481
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: the great Billy Wilder movie.

482
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: This is such a good movie.

483
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 3: No, it's unbelievable.

484
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: William Holden, as a washed up screenwriter, says, after that,

485
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: I drove down to headquarters. That's the way a lot

486
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: of us think about schwabs, kind of a combination office

487
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: coffee clatch and waiting room, waiting waiting for the gravy train.

488
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what it was.

489
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: It was this weird combo where you could go see

490
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: and be seen and also sit around and wait for

491
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: the phone.

492
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: During Yeah, they had this lunch counter that apparently was

493
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 2: pretty good because a lot of stars went there. But

494
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: they didn't discriminate. It wasn't like you could be an

495
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: aspiring actor who's getting nowhere and you're sitting there almost

496
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: literally rubbing elbows at this lunch counter with Marlon Brando

497
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: or something like that. Like, it was just people coming

498
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: together from all walks of life. And I thought that

499
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 2: was pretty cool. But it made it legendary. I mean

500
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: just basically anywhere that stars went on Sunset Boulevard automatically

501
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 2: became legendary. And now they're all right, aides or Chase.

502
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: Banks and Schwab's Pharmacy is where the famous story about

503
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: Lana Turner being discovered there while skipping school four name

504
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: was Lana Turner. But I think I feel like we

505
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: talked about this that that wasn't true.

506
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it turns out, I mean, she was discovered typing

507
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: class at Hollywood High School. But she was discovered at

508
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 2: the Top Hat malt shop, not at Schwab's, right, And

509
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: I guess Schwabs just filled in for top Hat because

510
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: it was much more famous. Maybe, I don't know. Yeah, probably,

511
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: But that same Billy Wilkerson who founded Ceros and the

512
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: Hollywood Reporter, he's apparently the one who discovered her.

513
00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:59,479
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right.

514
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: It's all true, except for the Schwaps part.

515
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 1: As we move into the sixties is when the Sunset Strip,

516
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, particularly became part of the kind of the

517
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: seated counterculture of Los Angeles. In the nineteen fifties, a

518
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: lot of money went to Vegas when Vegas was first

519
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: opening up. Yeah, and so rents fell lower on the strip.

520
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: So like some grittier nightclubs moved in. And I think

521
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: you found two where Vegas. If you played in Vegas,

522
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: you needed to at least like have a reputation in La.

523
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: So that's why a lot of bands played there.

524
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, no, the mob had enough money that they

525
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 2: could pay you just such a fat contract. That part

526
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: of the contract was you can't go play La because

527
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: we want people to come to Vas, right, So all

528
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: of the entertainers and performers left the Sunset Strip and

529
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: went to Vegas. So the club started having trouble, and

530
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,239
Speaker 2: then they started bringing in black acts. Motown r and

531
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: b Otis Redding very famously played at I can't remember

532
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: what club with Bob Dylan watching him just agog and sadly,

533
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: the sudden appearance of black performers on the Sunset Strip

534
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,959
Speaker 2: actually depressed real estate values even further, and so as

535
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: rock and roll kind of came along, young entrepreneurs who

536
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: wanted to open rock clubs were able to afford these

537
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: spaces along the Sunset Strip, And that's how it went

538
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: from glamorous Frank Sinatra to grungy rock clubs. There was

539
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: a transition, a swing from the R and B artists

540
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: of the time playing the Sunset Strip for a little

541
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: while in between those things.

542
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that makes sense. So then it became more

543
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: rock and roll because that's when the Whiskey of Go

544
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: Go opened in sixty four. Then you have still not

545
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: been to. They just don't have a lot of stuff

546
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: that I'm into anymore. It's a lot of still a

547
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: lot of like metal and like metal tribute bands and

548
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But I'm going to make it a

549
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: point just to go at some point, just so i

550
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: can be in that room. But that became sort of

551
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: the epicenter of the counterculture and youth culture and Whiskey

552
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: a Go Go. If you've heard of Go Go dancing,

553
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: it comes from the Whiskey of Go Go, Like literally.

554
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a DJ at the Whiskey name Joni Leabine,

555
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: and the DJ booth was in a glass case. I'm

556
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: not sure if it's still there or not, but it

557
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 2: was several tens of feet off of the dance floor

558
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: just over it. And when she was spinning records, she

559
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: would just kind of dance, and she had a certain

560
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 2: way of dancing, and she would wear very short skirts

561
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 2: and long white boots and the like. She started the

562
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: go go dancing trend of the sixties single handedly. Essentially

563
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: everybody started kind of mimicking her, and it was all

564
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: at the Whiskey Go Go.

565
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you heard the rock band the Doors, the

566
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: rock band without a bass player featuring Jim Morrison and others,

567
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: Raymond Zeric.

568
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: I remember how excited I was in eighth grade when

569
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: that movie came out.

570
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: Oh I was in college. Yeah, I was too.

571
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: That's cool that you were psyched at that age because

572
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: it felt like colleges when everyone got into the Doors

573
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and that was definitely me

574
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: and the Whiskey certainly featured heavily because they were the

575
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: house band for basically a summer in nineteen sixty six,

576
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: and you know, every one of the day played there.

577
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: It's not a very big venue either. I don't know

578
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: what the capacity is, but it feels like just by

579
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: looking at it, it's probably under a thousand.

580
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would definitely say that. I mean imagine

581
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: seeing Led Zeppelin or Jimmy Hendrix like in a small

582
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: room like that.

583
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I can't imagine seeing the period much

584
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: less in a small room.

585
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: And then one other thing about the Whiskey Yo Go,

586
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: I think it's probably the greatest club name of all time.

587
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: And I looked up why or where Gogo came from

588
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: and apparently go for a little while was slang for fashionable,

589
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: and it just kind of morphed into go go kind

590
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 2: of fashionable or cool, right, doubly fashionable, So the whiskey

591
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: of go go was very fashionable.

592
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: I guess a rare in show. Look up, it's a

593
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: capacity of five hundred. So yeah, that's amazing.

594
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's like a stuff you should know show

595
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: in our hometown of Atlanta.

596
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 3: Wow.

597
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: In the mid sixties is when cruising the strips became

598
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: like a real thing with you know, basically people just

599
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: would get in their cars, get in their convertibles, get

600
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: on their motorcycles, and just drive.

601
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: Up and down the Sunset Strip.

602
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: If you've ever seen the movie American Graffiti, even though

603
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: that drive in was filmed on van Ness, because Mel's

604
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: Drive In is a small chain, I think it was

605
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: supposed to be the one on the Sunset Strip if

606
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken.

607
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Definitely, that whole La youth culture and car culture

608
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: that produced the Beach Boys and all that, that's when

609
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: it was set right and I think it actually Happy

610
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: Days was essentially spun off of American Graffiti. What's his name,

611
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: Richard Cunningham.

612
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 3: Richie Cunningham, Ron Howard Baby.

613
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: Yes, he was an American Graffiti, essentially playing Richie Cunningham. Yeah,

614
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: right before Happy Days started.

615
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: So I have ever thought about that?

616
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, one little thing about that. I was looking up

617
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: Mels Drive in an American Graffiti and I ran across

618
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: there was a list of suggested names from the studio

619
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: instead of American Graffiti. And it's even on like Lucasfilm

620
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: Station Area or something like that. One of them was

621
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: Burger City. They considered naming that movie Burger City.

622
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 3: Wow, we should write a script called Burger City. We

623
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: can get it developed.

624
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that'd be great.

625
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: Or good burger That'd be an equally weird name.

626
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: Isn't that Keenan and Kel?

627
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just kidding.

628
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen that movie?

629
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: I never saw it was Was it a movie or

630
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: a show?

631
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: It was a movie. It was like the Keenan and

632
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: Kell movie.

633
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, he's the best. Well I don't know

634
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: much about Kell, but Keenan's awesome.

635
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: I love that guy.

636
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

637
00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: Sixty six was when a club called Pandora's Box. Famously,

638
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: it became the sort of heart of what was known

639
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: as the riote on Sunset Strip. The La Sheriff's Department

640
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: headed first to ten o'clock curfew for teenagers, basically anyone

641
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: under eighteen, and on November twelfth of sixty six is

642
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: when thousands of young teenage hippies protested. They sat down

643
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: in the street in front of Pandora's Box, block traffic

644
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: and it ended pretty violently. Cops came in and Stephen

645
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: Stills wrote the famous protest song for what It's Worth

646
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: because he witnessed that event.

647
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just came in with police batons of flying

648
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 2: cracking heads. It's like LAPD. Will you ever change?

649
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 3: Maybe? Maybe not.

650
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: The signs are not pointing to a definite yes at

651
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: this point yet.

652
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: And if you're thinking I don't know the song for

653
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: what It's Worth, it's the song you better stop. Hey,

654
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: what's that sound?

655
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: Everybody?

656
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: Look what's going down? You just probably don't remember it

657
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: as having the name for what It's Worth.

658
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: No, because it's one of those those songs that just

659
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: the title just doesn't fit the other part, I think.

660
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: But Buffalo Springfield, Yeah, it's a good song.

661
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: Love it.

662
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: Stephen Sills, did you know that? Thanks? Dave?

663
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: Oh did he not put the t in there.

664
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: No, Stephen Sills, I loved.

665
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: It, Crosby Sills, nas and Yown.

666
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean we love Dave here, we love him.

667
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: So we should talk a little bit about the black

668
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: Cat Tavern because black Cat Tavern was a home of

669
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: one of the first major LGBTQ protestly in the United States,

670
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: certainly a couple of years before Stonewall, even.

671
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, two years before Stonewall, you said, right, yeah, And

672
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: I think on New Year's Eve, the cops came in

673
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: the lapd again or the Sheriff's office, I'm not sure

674
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: which one. They started cracking heads. They started just beating

675
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: up the gay patrons there for being gay. They accused

676
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: them of lewd conduct or whatever. I think you turned

677
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: up that two men were caught kissing and that's essentially

678
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: what started the beatings. Is that correct?

679
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

680
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean they ended up arresting fourteen people, but those

681
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: two men ended up getting convicted and had to register

682
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: as sex offenders for kissing each other.

683
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 3: The Supreme Court of the United.

684
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: States refused to hear their appeal, and so they took

685
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: away their liquor license. In May I believe was sixty seven,

686
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: shortly after the protest on February eleventh because of the

687
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: raid on New Year's Eve and.

688
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: They had to shut down.

689
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: I think it reopened as several other gay bars over

690
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: the years until twenty eleven. When it reopened in twenty

691
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: twelve eight as the Black Cat. It was a restaurant.

692
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: This time they paid honor to its roots a by

693
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: naming it that and having kind of the same logo,

694
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: but just the historical significance is on display there with

695
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: photographs and a plaque.

696
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 3: And this is in the Silver Lake side. This is

697
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 3: not on the strip.

698
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: And in twenty twenty two it was duplex and a

699
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: very small sort of two sided building Shake Shack opened

700
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: up on the other side in the adjac space and

701
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: apparently dominated with their signage, and everyone got really really

702
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: mad at that, and it didn't last long.

703
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 3: Shakeshack there is now closed.

704
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: You know. One of the most interesting things I've ever

705
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: seen is a story about Shakesheck, the original one in

706
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: whatever park it's in in New York. Okay, you mean,

707
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 2: and I were there. We were in line, very long line,

708
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: and the line goes through the park, so there's a

709
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: lot of trees overhead. Oh yeah, I know that this guy.

710
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what park it is. I guess it

711
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. But this guy, who was either one or

712
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: two behind us in line, suddenly was surrounded by bird poop.

713
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: It just formed like a halo around his body, and

714
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: everyone turned around looking for the poop that had surely

715
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: gotten on the guy, and he had nothing on him. Somehow,

716
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: the poop had all magically fallen within inches of his body,

717
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 2: all around him without actually getting on him, and everyone

718
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: in the line who knew what happened was just like

719
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: that is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.

720
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: That guy was so happy he was not a lottery ticket. Yeah, exactly,

721
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: that's amazing. Check story.

722
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: I think I've ever heard that. I don't know that

723
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: was the first one either.

724
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the first one. It was just

725
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: in the park.

726
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's over it's like it's near Union Square. I

727
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: don't know what the park is either though.

728
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: And then one other thing about the Black Cat Tavern. It's,

729
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: you know, obviously like people are like this happened, you know,

730
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: before the stonewall rate, it might have even happened before

731
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 2: the Compton's Cafeteria riot. And the fact that it's compared

732
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: to Stonewall. It makes you think that there was a

733
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: riot involved. It wasn't. It was a dignified, organized protest.

734
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: But it's the first recorded LGBTQ protest in American history.

735
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 2: That's what that's its big claim to fame.

736
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: Amazing. I feel like that's a great time for a

737
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: break totally. And we'll segue into the seventies right after this.

738
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: Okay, So the seventies, which we just say waded into

739
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 2: this was where the rock clubs like kind of transitioned

740
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: from hippie rock to all sorts of different stuff proto punk,

741
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: glam rock, eventually hair metal as we'll see. And there

742
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: were three big clubs rock clubs that were around at

743
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: the time. There was the Roxy Theater, Rodney's English Disco,

744
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: and Ghazaries. Those were the three that were like the

745
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: three big rock clubs in the seventies that kind of

746
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: kicked off that transition from what I understand.

747
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Ghazari's is best known for Van Halen. Baby.

748
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 3: Van Halen was known for two things in their early

749
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: days before they put a record out.

750
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: It was backyard parties in Pasadena where they lived, and

751
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: being the house band at Kazari's for like years.

752
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 2: Did you know that Van Halen was from California?

753
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't.

754
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: I always thought they were a Dutch band.

755
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: No, I mean Eddie and Alex were Dutch by heritage,

756
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: and I think they were even born there.

757
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: Maybe David lee Roth is in Dutch. No, have you

758
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: ever heard him talk?

759
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm a distributor about the map right as touch?

760
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I mean, I'm a big van

761
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: Halen guy.

762
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: So I've studied and read all the books, but there's

763
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: one in particular.

764
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 3: Oh god, is it called Becoming van Halen.

765
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: It's the most intense, Like, I don't know how this

766
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: guy got this information, but it's the most intense detailing

767
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: of pre record contract.

768
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 3: Van Halen that I've ever heard of in my life.

769
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: It was incredible how much this guy knew about their

770
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 1: Pasadena backyard party days.

771
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: Well, since you know so much about van Halen, answer

772
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: this for me. It's a question I actually carry around

773
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: with me. What was the deal with Eddie van Halen

774
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: slamming Michael Anthony is a bad bass player? Like I

775
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: think about upon Michael Anthony's death.

776
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: Oh, well, you mean Eddie van Halen's death Michael Anthony?

777
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 2: Okay, well, for some reason, Eddie Van Halen came out

778
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 2: and said that he thought Michael Anthony was a terrible

779
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: bass player.

780
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: Oh, Eddie, you know he's one of the greatest and

781
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 1: rip for sure, but he could be unkind at times.

782
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: Two people. I think Michael Anthony's one of the.

783
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: Greatest, and he had the voice that kind of helped

784
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: him make Van Halen with those backing vocals. And he's

785
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: still crushing it. Because I went and saw Sammy Hagar

786
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: and Michael Anthony and Vegas played not too long ago

787
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: for the second time in a year.

788
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: Were you the guest of our good friend Aaron Hagar who.

789
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: Listens, No, I wasn't a guest this time. Aaron.

790
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: I was hoping he could meet there and I could

791
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: finally have a chance to meet his pops. But Aaron

792
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: showed up the week after I was there. But Adam Pranica,

793
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: friend of the show of the Greatest Generation podcast, met

794
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: me from LA and we played little golf and saw

795
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: Sammy and just had a great time. It's a really

796
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,240
Speaker 1: good show. Those guys are still killing it. Michael Anthony

797
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: is besides his talents, is known as one of the

798
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: nicest guys in rock and roll nice, which really stinks

799
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: if Eddie said that, because Michael Anthony has always taken

800
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: the high road.

801
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: Oh he did say it. It was a big deal,

802
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: And Sammy Hagar came out and said, I don't know

803
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: what Eddie's talking about. Yeah, basically being any to get

804
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: Michael Anthony's the best bass player I ever worked with,

805
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 2: So he's whooped in.

806
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: All that band stuff. Just makes me sad fighting like that.

807
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to circle back to Adam Pranica. Okay,

808
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 2: for people who aren't familiar with him, I would say,

809
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: go listen to the Greatest Generation podcasts, but if you

810
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: ever get a chance to meet Adam Pranica, you should

811
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: consider yourself hashtag blessed because he is one of the

812
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: greatest human beings you will ever meet in your life, like, legitimately,

813
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: through and through. Just a great dude.

814
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, He's the Michael Anthony A podcast. He definitely is,

815
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: along with his co host Ben Harrison.

816
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: No, Ben's great too, He's no Adam Pranica, though.

817
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: Ben's gonna like that burn The Roxy opened in seventy three.

818
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: David Geffen, very famous sort of record label owner and

819
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: early on music producer and Lou Adler, legendary producer, opened

820
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: the Roxy, and it.

821
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 3: Was legendary for a lot of reasons.

822
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the biggest of the big play there in

823
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: this again a small club, but the very first staging

824
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: in the.

825
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 3: US of the Rocky Horror Picture Show.

826
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is when it was just a stage musical

827
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: played at the Roxy.

828
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and pee Wee Herman debuted his show what became

829
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: the pe Wee Herman TV Show, his live stage version

830
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 2: of it that came out first in nineteen eighty one

831
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: at the Roxy. Have you seen that documentary yet?

832
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: I still haven't seen it because he's got on vacation,

833
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: but it's on the list.

834
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: And then Rodney's English Disco. I don't know why. Those

835
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: three words together are hard for me to pronounce, but

836
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: that was Rodney Bingenheimer's club that opened in nineteen seventy two.

837
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: So think about how ahead of the curve he was

838
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: by naming it a disco. There was no disco around yet.

839
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point.

840
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: He was a legendary DJ at k Rock in LA

841
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: from seventy six to twenty seventeen.

842
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, he took it's Kroq.

843
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: And was very famous for breaking, Like the list of

844
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: bands that he broke on air is incredible, Like, just look.

845
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: It over sometime.

846
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: I don't have time to go over all of it

847
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: here because we're running long, but it's it's just really impressive.

848
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: And he was a There was a great documentary about

849
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: him called The Mayor of Sunset Strip. He is a

850
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: star in Hollywood Boulevard and it's just like, wow, what

851
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 1: a guy. And then, very disappointingly, a couple of years ago,

852
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: Carrie Chrome of The Runaways filed a lawsuit and said

853
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: he sexually assaulted me when I was thirteen years old.

854
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 2: Man, those poor Runaways they got, I know, just totally

855
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 2: exploited and just us it up sad, just.

856
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: Young teenage girls. And Kim Falley, their manager, seems like

857
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: a horrible human. Yeah, took part in that assault. And

858
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: then five more women came forward after that, including Jane

859
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: Wheedland of the Go Gos, and said, yeah, Rodney really

860
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: assaulted me too. And there hasn't been a result of

861
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: that lawsuit yet, but it turns out not a good guy.

862
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: Well good for them for standing up to that. Dude.

863
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 3: Totally.

864
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: We couldn't mention the Sunset Strip without mentioning, especially during

865
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: the era of the seventies, the Continental Hyatt House, which.

866
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: Has stayed there.

867
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: By the way I have I'm almost positive that we

868
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: both stayed as now the and does in one of

869
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: our LA Podcast Festival appearances, I.

870
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: Do not recall that I remember seeing at the SLS.

871
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: Is that what you're talking about?

872
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: No, this is and Oz. I mean I definitely stay there.

873
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: I thought you did. But it was the Continental riot House. Yes,

874
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 3: the Hyatt House.

875
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: Officially, if you've ever read the led Zeppelin book and

876
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: there's that picture of Robert Plant standing on the balcony

877
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: saying I'm a golden God, that that was the Riot House.

878
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Continental. Just as a little aside, that's

879
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: from the original name of the hotel, the Continental, which

880
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: was owned by Gene Autry.

881
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: Oh well know that.

882
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a weird transition, right.

883
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally all right.

884
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: As the tour goes forward, we're gonna take a little

885
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: stop here at the Rainbow Bar and Grill on Sunset

886
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: opened in seventy two, and it was the people who

887
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: on the whiskey of Go Go that opened the Rainbow,

888
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: and the Rainbow was just a din of debauchery disguised

889
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: as a not too great Italian restaurant, but that was

890
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: where the Hollywood vampires hung out the kind of silly

891
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: looking at it now drinking club founded by Alice Cooper

892
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: as members of which were Keith Moon, Ringo star Mickey

893
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: Dolans and the Debauchers and Great Harry Nilsen.

894
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're now kind of a band with Alice

895
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 2: Cooper and Aerosmith.

896
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: Guitarist Oh jove, Oh geez.

897
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: What's his same? Steven Tyler and the other guy. I'm

898
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 3: just blanking.

899
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: Well, anyway, Johnny Depp is in it. There's like a

900
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: couple other people too. I think one of the dudes

901
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: from Guns and Roses might be in it too.

902
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: Maybe. I don't know if they're any good? Are they?

903
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think they're more a novelty act maybe.

904
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's got Johnny Depp in it.

905
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: Right, right, I think that kind of makes it a

906
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 2: novelty act as far as musical acts are concerned. Joe Perry,

907
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: Joe Perry, I kept won't say.

908
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: Joe Elliott, but that's a def Leppard.

909
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right, that's the lead singer.

910
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

911
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: One other thing about the Rainbow Bar and Grill. That's

912
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: where John beluci Ate his last meal, Yeah, in nineteen

913
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: eighty two before he died of a drug overdose at

914
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: the Chateau Marmont. And had he gotten the speedball from Schwabs,

915
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 2: it would have been a Sunset Boulevard trifecta.

916
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I guess you're right, and then.

917
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 2: I guess Moving on, Chuck, we can't talk about Sunset

918
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: Boulevard without talking about comedy clubs because it was essentially

919
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: the place where the whole concept of a comedy club

920
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: was born.

921
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks to poly Shor's mom, Mitzi Shore.

922
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: Is is it his mom? Because I looked it up

923
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: and I couldn't find that was it his mom? Really?

924
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's funny because he like he was like

925
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: a kid roaming around those parts.

926
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

927
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

928
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: She. Mitzy Shore opened the Comedy Store in seventy two

929
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: where Zeiros used to be and it was, like you said,

930
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: it was the very first stand up only nightclub in

931
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: the world, which is crazy to think about.

932
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: For sure, and so Mitzi Shore became very famous for

933
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: considering the Comedy Store as a comedy workshop where up

934
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: and comers could work on their material work on their acts,

935
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: and because it was a comedy workshop and not a

936
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: comedy club, she didn't pay them, especially the up and comers.

937
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: There are very few big name acts that would come

938
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: through and she would pay them. But if you were

939
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: working on your stuff, and we're talking like legendary people here,

940
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: we're talking like Jim Carrey, Howie Mendel, Gary Shandling, Andy Kaufman,

941
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: Robin Williams, Michael Keaton for some reason, apparently was a

942
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 2: stand up. Oh yeah, yeah, I did not know that. Yeah,

943
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: he's just so serious now, you know.

944
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean he started in comedy movies. You

945
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: can get his early stand up. It's kind of fun.

946
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I know his comedy movies I've seen.

947
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: No, I mean the stand on you can watch.

948
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: Oh gotcha. So, like, these were people who all had

949
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 2: their careers launched thanks to the Comedy Store, but they

950
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: were paid an exposure, and eventually they were like, this

951
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: is not worth it. We're going on strike.

952
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they went on striking seventy nine, which opened a

953
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: door for another club, The world famous Laugh Factory, opened

954
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: in seventy nine, just a few blocks away by a

955
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: sixteen year old, which is amazing Iranian immigrant also amazing

956
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: named Jamie Masada, and he ended up opening laugh factories

957
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: all over the country.

958
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was like, how about this, you guys

959
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 2: come play here and I'll share some of the cover

960
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: charge with you, like I'll actually pay you. And apparently

961
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: the original name of the laugh factory was joke on

962
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: Yolk like egg yoke really, yeah.

963
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 3: Joke on Yolk. I don't get it. Was there a

964
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 3: Yolk Street?

965
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: I think he thought that was funny. Oh, okay, Ryan,

966
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: so it's funny.

967
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: Well, I guess he was a better business owner than comedian, right, yeah.

968
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: Well he was an aspiring comedian. That's why he opened

969
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: that club.

970
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, joke on Yolk, get it right.

971
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 2: So one other thing circling back, Mitzi Shore finally resolved

972
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: to strike after a few weeks by agreeing to pay

973
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: the comedians twenty five dollars a set, which is ay

974
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: whopping one hundred and ten dollars today.

975
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: That's not too bad if you're getting up there, I'm

976
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: doing seven minutes.

977
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: They don't know you can buy like a pack of

978
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: cigarettes with one hundred and ten dollars today.

979
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna move into the eighties, and you

980
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: got to talk about the eighties because you got to

981
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: talk about hair metal, and if you're going to talk

982
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: about hair metal in the Sunset Strip, you got to

983
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: start with Motley Crue.

984
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess they were the ones who like started

985
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: the whole thing on the Sunset Strip. I'm sure you

986
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: knew that because you probably read ten books about Motley Crue.

987
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 3: No just two, Okay, Yeah, I mean they lived right

988
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: above it.

989
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: They could walk down there and you know, have big

990
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: parties at their a disgusting place that they shared above

991
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: the Sunset Strip. But yeah, they were, if not the first,

992
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: one of the first to kind of bring that scene there.

993
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 1: And you know, Poison La, Guns Faster, pussy Cat, eventually

994
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: Guns n' Roses would start out there in the mid eighties.

995
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, the.

996
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: Whiskey kind of had a bunch of different lies, from

997
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: hippie stuff to sort of what we would view as

998
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: classic rock to eventually hair metal and now I guess

999
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: hair metal cover bands.

1000
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: Right and in between then and now grunge came along

1001
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: and killed hair metal, which was a sad day. I

1002
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: think you.

1003
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 3: Can still go see those bands. They're around.

1004
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: You can see the tribute versions of them and other ones.

1005
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 3: I'm going to see Judas Priest.

1006
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: Nice.

1007
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: I've never seen them, and I got tickets on a

1008
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 3: whim to go see them this fall.

1009
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 2: Speaking of Judas Priest, I just have one more place

1010
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: I want to mention, But Judas Priest has one of

1011
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 2: the cooler documentaries around. It's called Parking Lot or something

1012
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: like that.

1013
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 3: Have you metal Parking Yes?

1014
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 2: Have you seen it?

1015
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:56,479
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1016
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's not just about Judas Priest, It's just

1017
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: about Pienelope Sphrus directed that kind of legendary documentary.

1018
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, well, I guess I'm the only one who

1019
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 2: saw it, but I love that documentary. It just takes

1020
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: place at that Parking Lot before Judas Priest show.

1021
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't think I even remembered it was Judas Priest.

1022
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: I'm almost positive it is Judas Priest.

1023
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 1: It probably is, but yeah, it should really encapsulates that culture.

1024
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 2: That totally does.

1025
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1026
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: The last place I wanted to mention was the Beverly

1027
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 2: Hills Hotel. Apparently it was around before there was even

1028
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: a Beverly Hills. Yeah, and old Hollywood used to hang

1029
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: out there. Blah blah blah. The thing that makes it

1030
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,479
Speaker 2: noteworthy to me is, you know, that iconic banana leaf

1031
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: wallpaper that you kind of see. It's like, well, that's

1032
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: where it debuted or that's where it became big. That

1033
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 2: pattern is called Martinique, and I think it was in

1034
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 2: the mid late forties that this decorator papered the Beverly

1035
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: Hills Hotel with that and it just took off from there.

1036
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

1037
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: I've never been there, but that's one of those places

1038
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: I want to go, like have dinner just to it

1039
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 1: looks kind of like tavern on the Green Stock.

1040
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it looks amazing. Actually, their bar looks amazing too.

1041
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's still got that kind of mid century charm,

1042
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 3: isn't it La style?

1043
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? I guess that's it for Sunset Boulevard.

1044
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1045
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean there are so many things we couldn't get

1046
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: to because we didn't want to do a two parter.

1047
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: But if you want to look up stuff on Hollywood

1048
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: High School and the Weird Crossroads of the World Shopping

1049
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: Center or the Hollywood Palladium, certainly do that because there's

1050
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: still a lot more about the Sunset Strip and it's

1051
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: you know, you go to LA and you're into touristy stuff,

1052
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: you should go check it out.

1053
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, And there's a lot of good writing

1054
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: out there. People love writing about the Sunset Strip for sure. Yeah,

1055
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: and thanks again to Dave for helping us out with

1056
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: this one. Good job Dave. And since I said good

1057
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: job Dave, that means it's time for listener mail.

1058
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: And this one actually is a listener suggestion. So we

1059
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: wanted to shout out say or Delk for Sunset Boulevard.

1060
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 2: Man, that's a great name.

1061
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, not for making their road, but you know,

1062
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: for giving this suggestion. Hey, guys, long term listener who

1063
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: wants to thank you for keeping me entertainer and work, school,

1064
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 1: travel and pretty much any excuse to have a podcast

1065
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: on for the past few years. The reason I write

1066
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: is in twenty twenty two you talked about rock paper scissors.

1067
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: You didn't think it was possible to play with more

1068
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: than two people. You may be interested to know that

1069
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: my friends and I used to play three to four

1070
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: person games at work as landscapers. In the mornings, we

1071
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: were weed eating on the property and we'd come across

1072
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: items that only require the work of one person and

1073
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: we would play rock paper scissors, and this is how

1074
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: you do it. We would simply all throw at once,

1075
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: like a normal game and a three person game. If

1076
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 1: anyone beat all the other players, then they would step

1077
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: out and the other two would play again. So it's

1078
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: sort of like a knockout tournament. If two players beat

1079
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: the others on the first game, then the loser lost immediately.

1080
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: After many games over the weeks and months, the strategies, alliances,

1081
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 1: and yes, some game theory all made the work quite

1082
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: fun and competitive. Love the show all the best to

1083
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: you and your families, respectfully. That is Austin from Saint Louis, Missouri.

1084
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: Nice work, Austin, you cracked the code finally. Thank you

1085
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: for that. Thanks for letting us know too. And if

1086
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: you want to be like Austin, right, that's right. If

1087
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: you want to be like Austin, then send us an

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