1 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Hell though, and welcome to Savor production of IHR Radio. 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm any Rees and I'm Lauren bog Obam, and today 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about chicken nuggets, Yes, which a lot of 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: people have very strong passionate feelings about. Actually, that is 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: one of the reasons we are doing this, because you 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: were telling me about kind of a debate you got 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: in Yeah, well yeah, okay, well so so uh so. 8 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: For first of all, thank you to listener Rachel on 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: Twitter for suggesting this. Um it had actually been on 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: my mind recently. Yeah, because this uh, this this Facebook 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: group that I'm a part of had this like deep 12 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: debate thread about like the the original poster was all like, 13 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: was all like, chicken nuggets, what's up with people liking them? 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: They're clearly inferior to chicken tenders? Why would anyone eat them? 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: And then it got into this very detailed and slightly 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: prickly and really interesting conversation about like nostalgia and um 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: and social class and uh economics and how how all 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: of these things have to have driven this this desire, 19 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 1: this unearthly desire for nuggets in in even people who 20 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: like kind of know that they're not really food um, 21 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: because they're so cravable and wonderful. Um, and a totally 22 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: separate category from a chicken tender, which is also fried chicken. 23 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: It's not good for you either. Uh that's s. Don't 24 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: get hoity toity about this. But yeah, so it had 25 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: just really gotten into my head, like, and there's all 26 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: kinds of rumors about there about how chicken nuggets got started, 27 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: and so yeah, so I really wanted to do this 28 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: episode to just talk about all of that. Yeah. Yeah, 29 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: And I when we were first discussing this and you 30 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: were telling me about this this debate, I I came 31 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: to the answer that I think it's largely nostalgia. And 32 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: I've noticed, like probably before before quarantine, I couldn't tell 33 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: you last time I had chicken nuggets. Honestly, it could 34 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: be like high school, long long time. But now since quarantine, 35 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: since quarantine, and I'm stressed out and I'm looking for 36 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: like comfort foods, I've had chicken nuggets like three or 37 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: four times. I've got some of my freezer right now, 38 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: and Laura knows how big a deal that is. I 39 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: don't keep things, but I've got my emergency chicken nuggets. 40 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Um, yeah, I U chicken nuggets. I don't. 41 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. I'm not positive that I've ever 42 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: purchased frozen nuggets for home consumption. If I have, I'm 43 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: not recalling it. But but chicken nuggets are the only 44 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: reason that I will go to McDonald's. Um, because those 45 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: nuggets are so good and about I'd say, like more 46 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: than once a month. More frequently than that, I get 47 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: out of nowhere. This tremendous craving for McNuggets. The McNugget 48 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: is a powerful craving. Yeah, there's something about him that's 49 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: just so intensely nuggety. Yeah, I could see that. I mean, 50 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: I haven't. I believe I said this in our McDonald's episode, 51 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: but I haven't eaten a McDonald's since I was four 52 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: years old. But I still remember m m h yeah. Yeah. Also, 53 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: the town i'm from, Delonaga, is where gold Rush happened 54 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: in the South and Georgia. Um. So if you're from 55 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: the Launaga, you're called a Delawaga nugget. And don't you 56 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: dare try to claim that title unless you were born there. 57 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: Oh so I am not a nugget. I can't I 58 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: can't claim it, Okay, being understanding. Yeah, I wasn't gonna 59 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna try. I wasn't aware of this. Uh, 60 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: but so sure, no problem. We are talking about nuggets, 61 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: Chicken nuggets, not Delawnaga nuggets. Chicken nuggets h widely in 62 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: general today. Um. But yes, the McDonald's aspect of it 63 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: comes up a whole bunch. Um. We did a whole 64 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: episode on McDonald's in the way back, so you can 65 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: check that out if you would like to. Also for 66 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: more on chicken in general. Um, we have not done 67 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: a whole episode yet. I feel like that's like several 68 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: episodes about like like the animal, but then also like 69 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: the industrial complex. Um, and we have not done any 70 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,559 Speaker 1: of that. But um, for a really good um look 71 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: into to it. I do recommend the book UM Tastes 72 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: Like Chicken, A History of America's Favorite Bird. That's by 73 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: one Emmelyn Rude or Rudd are you d e? I'm 74 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: not sure, but yeah, yeah, great, great book goes into 75 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: a lot of the detail we're not gonna today because 76 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: the chicken nugget is a subset of a different branch 77 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: and people have written a lot about it, so we've 78 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: got a lot around to cover. Oh my heck, we do. Yeah, yes, 79 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: so I guess we should get to walk. Question. Chicken nuggets. 80 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: What are they? Well, chicken nuggets are sort of a 81 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: dream of chicken, extrapolation of chicken, Like what if you 82 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: took chicken and made it less chicken? This is so 83 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: deep I love it. It's like more tender, less, fibrous, 84 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: lightly seasoned. Uh, Like like a chicken meatloaf, but breaded 85 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: on the outside and deep fried and bite sized pieces. Yeah, 86 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: it's very American. Oh gosh, it is. It is more 87 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: and fry it make it less chicken and fried? Uh yeah. Yeah. 88 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: Chicken nuggets are typically a blend of ground chicken meat 89 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: and skin, um, plus seasonings and bindings, shaped into small patties, 90 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: coated in either a crumb or a batter breading, and 91 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: then deep fried until crispy. They're eating as a finger food, 92 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: served with a frequently with sweet tangy type dipping sauces 93 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: like ketchup or barbecue or honey mustard, often as a 94 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: meal's main dish, with a side of fries um or 95 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, something anything more healthy than a side of fries. 96 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: But let's be honest, let's see, I can't think of 97 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: any other combo, either it's just the nuggets or some 98 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: nuggets and hey, you've got those, you've got those lima beans. 99 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: I'm like when you said that, I was picturing you 100 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: like making your like ultimate comfort food dinner of like 101 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: chicken nuggets and lima beans. I don't know if that's 102 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: what you would do, but well, also, you know I 103 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: when I make the chicken nuggets, I just get like 104 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: of my eighteen hot sauces and make little spots and 105 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: I just dabbb all the hot sauces. Uh. That's that's gorgeous. Um. 106 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: The dipping sauces are very important. They're all I did 107 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: not include here a list of all of the possible 108 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: sauces that you could dip a nugget into for before 109 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: they are There are many. Yes, they're a legion. Um 110 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: uh so. So some nuggets are are pretty easy to 111 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: h to manufacture large scale, and they can be cooked 112 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: or par cooked and pretty easily frozen. So there yeah, 113 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,119 Speaker 1: easily um a mass produced and then reheated at fast 114 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: food restaurants um or in consumers homes. Yes, And one 115 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: of the things we're most excited to talk about when 116 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: we were batting around this idea shapes. They come in 117 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: all kinds of shapes. Oh yeah, dinosaurs being the first 118 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: that came to my mind. But hearts, globes, SpongeBob, oh yeah, 119 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: oh yeah, other other other zoo animals, alphabet letters, stars, 120 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: and McDonald's does have four types um, boot, bow, tie, bell, 121 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: and ball designed for quote the perfect equilibrium of diff 122 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: ability and fun. Three would have been too few, five 123 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: would have been like wacky. That's a direct quote from 124 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: their website. That is, yes, that is official McDonald's marketing copy. Indeed. 125 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: Eat Um. But all right, let's talk about the nutrition. Okay, 126 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: So this, of course depends on the nuggets in question. Um, 127 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: you know what type of chicken meat is used in there? Um, 128 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: how how much a skin and fat is in there? Um? 129 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: What other what other ingredients you're using for the binding 130 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: and for the breading, and how you're frying them. You know, 131 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to say that generally speaking, you're better off 132 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: eating chicken that has been neither breaded nor deep fried, 133 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: and that doing both is usually particularly calorie dents because 134 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: at that point the breading soaks up a bunch of 135 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: the oil from the frying. I ran some numbers on 136 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: this one um let us as a thought experiment. Here 137 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: compare McNuggets to a McDonald's cheeseburger. And now I wound 138 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: up using the um United Arab Emirates McDonald's nutrition information 139 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: in order to do these calculations because a for some reason, 140 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: I just wound up there during a Google search UM 141 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: about like nutrition questions. UM. But be it turns out 142 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: that that they they list the total weight of their products, 143 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: whereas the United States site does not. UM. The ingredients 144 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: seem pretty similar um. For example, both burgers have a 145 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: slice of cheese, mustard, ketchup pickle, and onion. UM that 146 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: there are a few differences, which we'll get into in 147 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: a second, but but so so, ounce for ounce, the 148 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: cheeseburger contains slightly more calories UM, less total fat, but 149 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: over twice as much saturated fat, more sodium um, but 150 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: a better spread of micronutrients. The nuggets, meanwhile, have more cholesterol, 151 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: also more protein. Though so like really, in between these 152 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: two things, I cannot say that either is better for you. 153 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: Like it's they're they're they're pretty much a wash. Um. 154 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: It's it's like, well, if you're gonna have a treat, 155 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter which of these you have nutritional My 156 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: instinct would be the nuggets. But yeah, I mean, honestly, yeah, 157 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: it's a toss up. UM, And Yeah, McDonald's products are 158 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: manufactured and prepared differently in different markets. Um. I think 159 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: that there's difference in the way that McNuggets are breaded 160 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: and fried in the US versus basically everywhere else. Um. 161 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 1: American nuggets do have slightly more fat, saturated fat, carbohydrates, 162 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: and sodium than the nuggets from the U A UM, 163 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: which honestly just equalizes the cheeseburger and the nuggets even more. 164 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yes, So so there you go. That's that's why, 165 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: which is super interesting because nuggets were originally proposed, or 166 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: mick nuggets were originally proposed as a healthier alternative to 167 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: products containing red meat. Mm hmmm. I think that's how 168 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: ingrained that it is, at least in my head, that 169 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: I will imagine a lot of people that chicken is 170 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: better for you than red meat. Yeah. The thing is 171 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: is that once you deep fry anything, all bets are off, 172 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: like you're really blast. I can't get away from that, 173 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: can I. That being said, you know, calorie dense foods 174 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: are okay. Just you know, be aware of how much 175 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: you're eating and how you incorporate them into your wider diet. 176 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: Treats are nice. Treat yourself if you want some McNuggets, 177 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: have some mic nuggets. I mean, you know, don't don't 178 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: beat yourself up about your food. That's that's mostly mostly 179 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: what I want to say to you. Oh yeah, it's 180 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: very kind. Um. Also, yeah, it is impressive. McDonald's is 181 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: not a sponsor. It's probably obvious, but it is impressive. 182 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: How the McNugget, Like, we can't talk about chicken nuggets 183 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: without talking about the McNuggets just such a huge part 184 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: of the story. When we get to the history section, 185 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people think McDonald's invented the chicken nugget. 186 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: They didn't. Spoiler alert, But that's just how effective and 187 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: and like culturally the cultural impact favorite. Yeah, yeah, and 188 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: we do have some numbers for you. Yes, So since 189 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: the invention of chicken nuggets and billions of them have 190 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: been sold, billions these days, chicken McNuggets are one of 191 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: McDonald's best selling items, and the company sells two thousand, 192 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: five hundred pounds of chicken every two minutes. Yeah, yeah, 193 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's in the United States, but I 194 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: couldn't directly verify it. But either case, big number um 195 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: and speaking up, there are so many McNugget and verse 196 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: out there. There are charts, there are math problems. There's 197 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: even something called McNugget numbers, and so, wow, this was 198 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: a really fun rabbit hole I was not expecting to 199 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: go down. But okay, So the amount of bit nuggets 200 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: that can fit in the differently sized boxes, which I 201 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: believe there's now a fifty size box, but I couldn't 202 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: tell if it was miss all rumor, but I'm pretty 203 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: sure you can at least buy fifty MIT nuggets at 204 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: a time. So since the number of nuggets that could 205 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: fit in these boxes were six, nine, and twenty, which 206 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: are relatively prime, which is a whole separate math thing 207 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: we're not going to really go into, but relatively prime 208 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: once you reach large enough integers, they are a linear 209 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: combination of these numbers. So if you calculate it out, 210 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: forty three is the largest non McNugget number. Forty three 211 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: sometimes called the chicken nugget number, or more correctly, the 212 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: Frobenius number. So for example, like to get any number 213 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: after that, you could have different varieties of like six 214 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: nine like it's wild, it's really fun, um math math 215 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: rabbit hole. Yeah. But um, despite despite all of this, 216 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: uh McNuggets are not the only nuggets out there. Uh. 217 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: In the US, we eight uh two point three billion 218 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: servings of nuggets in restaurants overall, and that was after 219 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: decline in demand from seventeen. That is fewer nuggets woo. Yeah. 220 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: In the US, the chicken industry employs over one point 221 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: five million people against chicken later multiple episodes, but related 222 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: to this in seventeen, that translated to the production of 223 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: forty one billion pounds of ready to cook chicken and 224 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: nine five billion dollars in sales. Yeah. As often Americans 225 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: were eating seventy three million pounds of chicken per day. 226 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: That's like eight point five billion birds per year. Um. Wow. 227 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: And and it's a it's a lot. It is, um 228 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: twenty five times as much chicken as our great grandparents eight. 229 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: That's actually something I don't know if you noticed that, 230 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: but in my family, I noticed that because I was 231 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: used to eating chicken more often. But with my grandparents 232 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: and even my dad, he they were not into chicken, 233 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: Like that was not what they wanted to eat. Yeah, yeah, 234 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: I feel like, um, I feel like with within our generation, um, 235 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: certainly coming of age. Yeah, there's been a huge push 236 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: towards chicken, partially is this like healthier meat kind of concept, 237 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: but but also kind of a resurgence in recent years 238 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: of it being a comforting food, like a good like 239 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: roast chicken I think is more common to see on 240 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: nice restaurant menus. Right. Oh wow, we have a lot 241 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: of interesting history to talk about with the chicken nuggets. 242 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: We do, and let's get into it. But first let's 243 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: get into a quick break for a word from our sponsor, 244 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. So 245 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: bite sized pieces of bredative fried chicken have been around, um, 246 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 1: probably for a lot longer than the written record shows. Yes, 247 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: But here's where most people start the story of the 248 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:47,239 Speaker 1: chicken nuggets. In nine, a professor of poultry science at 249 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: Cornell University named Robert C. Baker invented a frozen and 250 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: breaded prototype for chicken nuggets called chicken sticks at the time, 251 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: and these chicken sticks were part of an ongoing project 252 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: he had with his students to create chicken products in 253 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: the shape of other things like chicken hot dogs or 254 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: chicken meatballs. They created over fifty of these types of 255 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: products with the goal of strengthening Upstate New York's poultry 256 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: farmers market power. Um. While the ability to produce chickens 257 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: had gone up with improvements and feed and chicken genetics 258 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: as a way to meet demand created by World War Two, 259 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: once the war was over, demand went down among American 260 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: consumers because chicken wasn't the easiest thing to prepare. The 261 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: size of the chicken purchased at the time wasn't large 262 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: enough typically for an entire family, but too much for 263 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: one person, and since it was often sold whole, consumers 264 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 1: had to either cut it up themselves or get a 265 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: butcher to do it. So all of this meant that 266 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: the price of chicken plummeted. Yeah, it really wasn't until 267 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: Baker Um started working in poultry science that that chickens 268 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: started to be explored for mass produced processed foods the 269 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: way that like beef and work had previously been Um 270 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: Baker and his student's work is responsible for a lot 271 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: of the process poultry that we have today, Like a 272 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: like like cold cuts. Any turkey breast sandwich that you 273 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: get is a result of their work. Um also, chicken 274 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: was at the time kind of like we were discussing earlier, 275 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: not really considered to be on par with other proteins 276 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: like beef in pork, there's yeah, just generally less demand 277 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: for it, right, And Baker was hoping to give these 278 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: small poultry farmers more options. Years prior, he had worked 279 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: on a poultry extension in the South, helping the farmers 280 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: more efficiently raised um, stronger, bigger flocks. And Baker came 281 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: from a farming background himself, so he knew what sorts 282 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: of struggles these farmers were facing. Yeah, hit Um had 283 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: majored in fruit agriculture when he was in school, but 284 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: apparently like felt this affinity for chickens, partially due to 285 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: having helped raise them in his childhood. He once said, uh, 286 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: I guess I fell in love with chickens. I thought 287 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: the future was writer in chickens, that in fruit, writer 288 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: in chickens. So Baker all these products that he and 289 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: his students were creating were market tested. They would offer 290 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: them at local grocery stores, and they would keep track 291 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: of sales for his nuggets. He and student John Marshall 292 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: figured out how to keep ground meat together without a skin, 293 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: and also they created a batter that would cling to 294 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: the meat in the face of both shrinking caused by 295 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: freezing followed by the intense change in temperature caused by frying. 296 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: To accomplish this, they d moisturize the ground up chicken 297 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: using salt and vinegar, while adding milk, powder, and pulverized 298 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: grains to serve as a binder, and then they would 299 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: shape and freeze the meat, then add the coating, which 300 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: was corn flake comes mixed within egg batter, freeze it again. 301 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: With some help, they created some packaging. They called them 302 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: Chicken Crispy, and sold them and five local grocery store 303 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: for a total of twenty six weeks. They sold two 304 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: hundred a week within the first six weeks. Yeah um, 305 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: and these inventions were printed and distributed in the Cornell Bulletin, 306 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: allowing for more experimentation UM, marking the beginning of what's 307 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: called further processed poultry. In nineteen sixty three, Cornell Professor 308 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: of Food Science Robert Gravani said of Baker, he literally 309 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: gave ideas away and other people patented them. So he wanted. 310 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: Baker wanted people to have the space to experiment and 311 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: to find way better ways to do things or new 312 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: ways to do things. So he was just yeah, even 313 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: I believe companies too, he was he was doing it. Yeah, 314 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: he was doing it for the science, not the money, 315 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: right um. And And because these products were convenient and affordable, 316 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: customers adopted them fairly quickly, and it really changed the 317 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: chicken industry. From nineteen sixty five, around the time these 318 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: products were introduced to twelve, chicken consumption for a person 319 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: jumped from thirty four pounds to eighty four pounds a year. 320 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: Just really really shifted the whole landscape of chicken production 321 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: from small, family based farms two huge, industrial scale farms 322 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: that often didn't have and continue not to have the 323 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: best labor or environmental practices. But as we said, a 324 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: lot of people do think that a certain company called 325 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: McDonald's invented the chicken nugget. They did not. But the 326 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: chicken McNugget was introduced in nineteen eighty uh and they 327 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: were created in response or at least in part to 328 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: health guidelines released by the US government in nineteen seventy 329 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: seven cautioning people against their fat intake and in particular 330 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: beef and pork. Yeah. At the time, Americans were eating 331 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: close to a hundred pounds of beef a year, so 332 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: there was the specific call to quote decreased consumption of 333 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: meat and increased consumption of poultry and fish. Um sales 334 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: of burgers dipped dramatically, which was a big deal for McDonald's, right, 335 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: so they turned to chicken as a lower fat alternative 336 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: that they could offer, and they went through an intensive 337 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: testing process to arrive at the big nugget. They hired 338 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: Renee are Rand, a chef who once cooked for the 339 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: Queen of England. Um and some of the early ideas 340 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: were scrapped, like a chicken pot pie that customers didn't 341 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: really go for, or a bone in chicken fried chicken 342 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: that was deemed too similar to KFC didn't want that. 343 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: After McDonald's founder Ray Croc's idea for deep fried onion 344 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: chunks was dismissed, the company's chairman suggested chunks of chicken instead. 345 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: I get the idea that this is one of those 346 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: cases of you know, like a big boss getting this 347 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: this idea in their head and like telling everyone about 348 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: it really excitedly, and everyone that they tell about it 349 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: not being nearly as into it, like the stories that 350 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: I read about this where the croc was all like 351 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: the futures onion rings, but bite sized onion nuggets. Um. 352 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: And so one day that this chairman that Annie mentioned, 353 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: Fred Turner, um supposedly equipped to arend while passing him 354 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: in a hallway, why not a chicken nugget? And supposedly 355 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: that very day or and like went back to the 356 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: kitchen and was like, what about the chicken nugget? Yes, 357 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: So the chef took a chicken breast, deboned it, cutted 358 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: up into tiny pieces, breaded them, fried them, and served 359 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: them with a dipping sauce. Everyone who tried them at 360 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: the company loved them. However, they required too much work 361 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: to prepare on a huge scale on McDonald's level scale, 362 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: so McDonald's covertly worked with outside companies like Gordon's of 363 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: Fish Kick fame, who also helped with the filet o 364 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: fish menu eied about McDonald's to create a breaded coating 365 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: that would stick, and Keystone Foods of Frozen burger fame 366 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: and supplier of McDonald's beef patties time to mechanize the 367 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: process of chopping up the chicken. When the resulting product 368 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: debuted without fanfare in Knoxville in nineteen eighty, although I 369 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: saw a couple of different dates, but near there. Yeah, 370 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: they smashed sales records. They were so popular that Keystone 371 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: constructed a processing plant about one hundred days later to 372 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: be able to meet anticipated demand. It happened so fast, Yeah, 373 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: and Tyson Foods was tapped to ensure a steady supply 374 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: of chicken. They developed a breed of chicken expressly for 375 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: this product, called Mr McDonald I think at the time 376 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: it had the largest chicken breast size of any chicken 377 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: in the industry. Yeah, I think so. Um. Chicken McNuggets 378 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: were offered nationwide in three and immediately a hit throughout 379 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: the country, so much so that within months this burger 380 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: chain restaurant became the world's second biggest chicken retailer behind KFC. 381 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: Like they were using a lot of chicken, they recreated 382 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: what the chicken industry in the United States is yep, 383 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: yep and uh. A fun fact. Later, a chicken shortage, 384 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: in part caused by the mc nuggets popularity led to 385 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: the creation of another much beloved product, the mc rib, 386 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: which you know, I'm not very familiar with. Mc rib 387 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: I know that it goes in and out of the menu, 388 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: but that's also supply issue and a difficulty issue. So yeah, 389 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: the MG nugget Um Chick fil A started selling chicken nuggets. 390 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: You'll notice the timing is very close. According to what 391 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: I read, it was they got the idea because customers 392 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: love their chicken sandwich so much, and they were like, 393 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: what if it was dug by sized? But you know, 394 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: the timing is a little m M. I don't know, 395 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: it just makes sense on some level. Oh sure, McDonald's 396 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: released the limited time Sechuan sauce as a tie into 397 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: the release of the Disney movie Mulan as a dip 398 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: for McNuggets because, as Laurence said, the dips are very important. 399 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: The whole thing, um, you've probably heard of it recently 400 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: involved in some Ricken Morty Shenanigan's right, all of that, yep, 401 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: all of that. It was. It was a funny episode. 402 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: I enjoyed the episode. Yes, I also saw somebody dressed 403 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: as the sauce at Dragon Con once and that was 404 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: quite funny where they like with a rick and Morty 405 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: group or okay, oh okay, all right, that's yes. I 406 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: was going to give it more points for being there 407 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: independently or before the Rick and Morty thing even happened. 408 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: If that, if, if that was the case, I would 409 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: be like, yes, low clap, random dragon con citizen. Um 410 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: but it. My new goal is to get a slow 411 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: cup from Laura Vogel bomb on one of my costumes. 412 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm already I'm in my cosplay closet. Ideas are flowing. 413 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: This will laughing one day. This is a challenge I 414 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: live for. I have complete faith in you. Not about 415 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: slow collapse very easily like that's a that's it's a 416 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: it's a high bar. I think I can do it. 417 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: I think I can do it. Um. So as attitudes 418 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: around food and help change shifting towards organic and all natural. Uh. 419 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: The chicken McNugget became a flashpoint of this whole thing, 420 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: a source of ire and derision for many. In two 421 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: thousand three, a New York State judge depth of McNugget 422 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: a mc frankenstein creation, which you know, points for that, um, 423 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: though he did dismiss the suit worth noting, which was 424 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: about how McNuggets caused obesity. And then the American Journal 425 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: of Medicine in thirteen reported that a good portion of 426 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: commercially sold chicken nuggets were only about meat, while the 427 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: rest was quote ground up bone, blood, vessels, nerve, and 428 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,479 Speaker 1: connective tissue. Notably, though the ingredients of big nuggets were 429 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: not specified. Um. Still, even after a campaign directly addressing 430 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: these rumors and concerns, McDonald saw a one third drop 431 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: in quarterly sales um and videos and posts about mechanically 432 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: shaped chicken and pink slime gained so much traction that 433 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: both the National Chicken Council and snopes dot com debunked them. Yeah, okay, 434 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: So for the record, this article that appeared in the 435 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: A J A M. Had a sample size of two 436 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: nuggets literally too wow yeah, one each from two unnamed 437 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: national fast food chains. So that's not that's not really 438 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: a samples right, um. But you know, like calorically speaking, yes, 439 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: both of these sampled nuggets contained over fifty percent of 440 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: their calories from fat um. And the study was trying 441 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: to make a point about the nutritional value of chicken 442 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: nuggets and health concerns, especially in their homestad in Mississippi, 443 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: with with a population that frequently consumes fast food. So 444 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, I get their point. I wish that they 445 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:33,719 Speaker 1: had studied more than literally two nuggets. That's a savor 446 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: recommendation for any research studies. Surveys always more than two, 447 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: more than two. Uh yeah. As as a result of 448 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: all of this, in McDonald's Canada, UM posted a video 449 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: of how their McNuggets are made. Um No, no pink 450 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: slime involved, Yes, and McDonald's pivoted to using all white 451 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: breast meat in the midtooth thousands. This was before all 452 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: this came out right exactly, and in sen they announced 453 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: a new recipe without artificial preservatives, and sales of McNuggets 454 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: rose by ten seventeen, believed to be again at least 455 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: in part because of this change in the recipe. In 456 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: they made them available for breakfast. I believe we talked 457 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: about how big a deal that was, or at least 458 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,959 Speaker 1: I remember the whole You can only have practiced at 459 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: certain times. I want my items when I want them. 460 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. People feel strongly about that too. H Ingredients 461 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: aren't the only concern here. The environmental impact of McNuggets 462 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 1: have also come under scrutiny after a eleven report revealed 463 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: the ingredients came from all over the grobe, so like 464 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: even the ones you're purchasing in the US, for example, 465 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: because MG nuggets are sold all over. So there's a 466 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: part that's like, well, sure well, sure of course there's 467 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: going to be right ingredients from other parts of the 468 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: world and McNuggets sold in other parts of the world, 469 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: but no McNuggets sold here. Can having greedy ins that 470 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: come from a lot of different places all over. Yeah, 471 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: there's there's also the issues of animal treatment and human 472 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: labor within the chicken processing industry, and these are huge problems. 473 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: As of only two cents out of every dollar spent 474 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: on fast food chicken actually went to the poultry laborers, who, 475 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: especially if you're such a little pay, work in very 476 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: dangerous conditions. Right, Um, But still the McNugget as hard 477 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: core fans. Inelve, a three year old McNugget that resembled 478 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: George Washington was up for bid and eventually sold for 479 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: eight thousand, one hundred dollars. Yeah. I saw the resemblance, 480 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: but I wasn't gonna I mean, you are clearly not 481 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: a hardcore enough McNuggets slash George Washington fans. You're right, 482 00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: You're right. Also, people do collect the boxes, and I 483 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: believe one of them was on display at the Smithsonian 484 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: um semi recently. Okay, Baker died in two thousand six. 485 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: He never made any money off his invention of chicken 486 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: nuggets and is often left out of the story altogether. 487 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: As we said, but given his original goal and how 488 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: it all turned out, that might have been his preference, 489 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: that he might have preferred that. Yeah, yeah, I found 490 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: while I was doing my reading for this episode. Um 491 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: uh from this article that The Guardian published, a long 492 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: read that was just this scathing takedown of the modern 493 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: agricultural industrial complex. Um that that started with the lines um, 494 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: the most telling symbol of the modern era isn't the 495 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: automobile or the smartphone, it's the chicken nugget. Responsibility for 496 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: the dramatic change in our consumption lies not so much 497 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: in general human activity, but capitalist them. Although we're taught 498 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,479 Speaker 1: to understand it as an economic system, capitalism doesn't just 499 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: organize hierarchies of human work. Capitalism is what happens when 500 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: power and money combine to turn the natural world into 501 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: a profit making machine. And this this article goes on 502 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: to just discuss how centuries of colonialism and all of 503 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: them the willful ignorance um of of colonialism led to 504 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: this modern era of an abundance of food and wealth 505 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: at the expense of the very people who create them 506 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: on the ground. Um. The article is titled how the 507 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: chicken nugget became the true symbol of our era? Does 508 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: not mean that in a nice way. Wow. Yeah, Yeah, 509 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a good it's a good read. 510 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: I recommend looking it up if you want to be uh, 511 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: if you want to be you know, depressed about things. 512 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: It's apparently adapted from a book called A History of 513 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: the World in Seven Cheap Things, UM by Raj Patel 514 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: and Jason W. Moore. So look that up if you 515 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: want just an extended kill joy corner. I recommend it. Um. Meanwhile, Uh. 516 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: In September, McDonald's released Spicy McNuggets for a limited time 517 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: in limited markets. Uh. They contain hot peppers in the breading. Yeah. 518 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: They also released a new sauce for the first time 519 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: since the Mighty Hot Sauce, Mighty Ducks. I thought I 520 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: thought it was a Tide with the Mighty Ducks. When 521 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: I first saw that, I was like, huh, seems kind 522 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: of out of date. I guess they aren't making a 523 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: new one. No, I don't think they're related. I think 524 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: it's I think it's just saying that the sauce is 525 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: mighty hot, or that it is a mighty sauce that 526 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: is hot. I'm not sure the costume ducks fauce, got it? 527 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: Got it? Okay, looking forward to this um. Uh. Then 528 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: in October of this one Icelandic grocery store chain UM 529 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: launched a nugget into near space for frenzies. I don't, 530 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm still not entirely sure why. And one 531 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: of their employees told the Irish news, UM, what better 532 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: way to show that our products are out of this 533 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: world than by sending one of our customer favorites into space? Okay? Sure, 534 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: And I guess I can't answer that question. So you win, 535 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: you win. Also, you know, probably the ultimate goal was 536 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: to get mentioned on a Chicken Nugget podcast. So there 537 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 1: you go, succeed, done and done. Um heck. Also, as 538 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: of I think, I think like November December, UM, lots 539 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: of nugget news late in December. Clearly this whole like 540 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: nostalgia comfort food thing was was just prickling in a 541 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: lot of different people's minds. UM. But yeah, So the 542 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: Singapore Food Agency approved lab grown chicken to be used 543 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: as an ingredient in chicken nuggets in that country, and 544 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: immediately this US startup called eat Just I've seen it 545 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: in the past called only just Um. But at any rate, Yeah, 546 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: they announced that they will be creating culture chicken for 547 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: use there. Only a couple of years ago, their lab 548 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: grown nuggets cost like fifty bucks apiece to make, but 549 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: supposedly they have gotten their costs down to the point 550 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: that the chicken it's not going to be like these 551 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: nuggets are going to be like mc nugget cheap, but 552 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: it will be on the level of like fancy restaurant 553 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: chicken prices. Oh so, and you know, like I was 554 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: thinking about it, and like lab grown meat is actually 555 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: awesome for this kind of application because like so, part 556 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,959 Speaker 1: of the problem with lab grown meat up until now 557 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: has been that it's a little bit difficult to culture 558 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: meat into some of the textures that were used to 559 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: from a whole cut from an animal um. You know, 560 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: like thin think about the grain that you get in 561 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: a chicken breast, or a or a steak or or 562 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,959 Speaker 1: a pork chop um. However, it's pretty easy to get 563 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of smaller structures to grow. So really you're 564 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: making like ready ground meat kind of so yeah, lab 565 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:55,320 Speaker 1: grown chicken nuggets. I'm ready. I you know me too. 566 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: Let's go to Singapore. Added to the list. The list 567 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: goes on and on, it's only getting longer. Yep, we've 568 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: got our work cut out for us. We we do 569 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: right after, right after virologists finish their work being cut 570 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: out for them. Right. Yes, we take the back seat 571 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: in this case. Well, that is what we have to 572 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,479 Speaker 1: say about chicken nuggets for now. For now. Yeah, we 573 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: do have some listener mail for you. We do, but 574 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 1: first we have one more quick break for a word 575 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. Every back. Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you, 576 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: and we're back with them. Let me see those nineties. 577 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: You're in those nineties kids, commercials are real in your face. Yeah, 578 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: they were extra Yeah, and there was a lot of 579 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: like we just kind of did a high fiving punch 580 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: in the air motion. Yeah, everyone was punching the air 581 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,760 Speaker 1: in the nineties, did They were wearing neon and punching 582 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 1: the air. It's a different times, a different time. Um 583 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: Shelley wrote, I'm from a small read less than five 584 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: hundred people town in eastern Washington State called Harrington's. I'm 585 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: extremely fond of my tiny town and the wheat farm 586 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: I grew up on and now own and operate. But 587 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: that's a different story. While living in Baltimore before moving home, 588 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: my family came to visit on our way to Asbury Park, Aspbury. 589 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure that that is a thing I should know, 590 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 1: but I don't. But anyway, because she continues, we are 591 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: all die hard Bruce Springsteen fans, we naturally had to 592 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: stop for lunch in Harrington, Delaware. I ordered a breakfast sandwich, 593 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: as I'm extremely fond of them, and didn't even blink 594 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 1: our wonder what scrapple was and it was listed as 595 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: one of the ingredients, I said pose. I assumed it 596 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,720 Speaker 1: was simply a brand of meat or some such. Little 597 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: did I know that Harrington was the home of kirbyan Holloway. 598 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 1: Excuse me if it's misspelled. As mentioned by Kristen, she's 599 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: referencing a past listener mail um tragically within my sin 600 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 1: which the scrapple felt like a layer of what's sand, 601 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: and I could not eat more than a couple of bites. 602 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: While I like a wide variety of flavors. I'm extremely 603 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: sensitive to textures. Again, while listening to Kristen's mail, I 604 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: have made the decision that the restaurant we ate at 605 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: must have frozen it as a large chunk, resulting in 606 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: that mealy texture that put me off so strongly. I 607 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: have never sought out scrapple since. Thank you for sticking 608 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: with me through this mediocre tail and I hope you 609 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: are both surviving this pandemic and as fantastic a fashion 610 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: as can be hoped for. Well thank yes, yes it's 611 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 1: not mediocre at all. God, I'm very bummed. I totally 612 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 1: get what you're saying. Sometimes you have that first experience, 613 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: it's that it in better, but I get it, like, 614 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 1: it's hard to recover from that. Sometimes it can be, 615 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: especially especially I don't know. I mean, I feel like 616 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 1: flavor is one thing, but flavor is generally kind of 617 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 1: fleeting for me. Texture is a much bigger, like sticky issue, 618 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: like like no pun intended. But yeah, but I'm just like, 619 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: if I remember a bad texture, I'm like never again. Um, 620 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: that's so interesting because most of my friends are that 621 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: way too. We'll have to look into that one day. Yeah. 622 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: Ah uh. Mag wrote in Hong Kong. We have an 623 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 1: ample supply of gingers and they come in different types 624 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: of varying in terms of size, look, texture, and taste. Generally, 625 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: roots that are planted for more than a year are 626 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: called old ginger. They usually have less moisture and taste spicier, 627 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: with a more fibrous texture. In Chinese, there's also a saying, 628 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: the literal translation being old gingers are more spicy than 629 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 1: young ones, which actually means that experience counts. As for 630 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,400 Speaker 1: ginger medicinal purpose, it has a as in traditional Chinese medicine. 631 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: I always have ginger candy with me to calm my 632 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 1: motion sickness during car rides. And now for our very 633 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 1: unique and very weird ginger food stewing pigs feet and 634 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: ginger in black rice vinegar. It used to be something 635 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 1: that every grandma knows how to make. Traditionally, when your 636 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: family welcomes a new baby, you need to make a 637 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: big batch of it for the new mother and as 638 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 1: gifts to your neighbors as part of the celebration as well. 639 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: It's believed that it helps the new mother to replenish 640 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: what she has lost from childbirth. The ginger has its 641 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: medicinal role in this dish, so instead of being just 642 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 1: a spice or side dish, you're supposed to eat them 643 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: for the benefits they bring. It's not a visually appealing dish. 644 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: It varies among families, and sometimes they look like those 645 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: classic tar pets and horror movies. However, if you ever 646 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: have a chance, do try some. It has a unique aroma, 647 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: and I personally like the egg most hard boiled before 648 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 1: putting it into the stew. If you're growing your own ginger, 649 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: I really recommend harvesting the flowers. They look and smell good, 650 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: and try making your own cold ginger, which is easy 651 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: to make and super delicious. Yes, oh all of this 652 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 1: I know into Oh my goodness, I've got the flowers 653 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 1: are really pretty. Yeah, I've never I do have a 654 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: ginger plant. Um, I've never had it flower. Um. But 655 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, Georgia is a temperate enough climate that we 656 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 1: do get quite cold weather in the winters. Um uh 657 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 1: and dipping blow freezing a couple of days a year 658 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: and uh so I have to bring my ginger plant 659 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: inside because it doesn't want to be below like sixty fahrenheit. 660 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: Like it's it's like it's like mild sweater weather and 661 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,839 Speaker 1: it's like nope, um, and it's just hard to get 662 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 1: it the right amount of sunlight and also to like 663 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: remember to water it as much as it wants to 664 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,399 Speaker 1: be watered. Um for me, anyway, I don't I don't 665 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,959 Speaker 1: not suck at growing or in volgel bomb. I don't 666 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:05,399 Speaker 1: not suck. I don't suck at it either, but like 667 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: I don't suck um somewhere in between there. Yeah, yeah, 668 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: I actually haven't harvested any ginger from it because I 669 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 1: keep going like, oh, I make you suffer so bad 670 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 1: every winter. I don't want to stress you up by 671 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: cutting parts of you off, but maybe it would be 672 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: better for it, because sometimes plants are happier when you 673 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: do that. I don't know. I love this. I love 674 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,720 Speaker 1: the like care and love people have for their plants, 675 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: or they like talking to it, or I don't want 676 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: to hurt you. It's in it's in my studio. It's 677 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: hanging out with me every day. Oh hello, ginger plant. 678 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,799 Speaker 1: Well now it knows you care about it. Oh, I 679 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,759 Speaker 1: hope so high, ginger plant. I love you, we all 680 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 1: love you, ginger plant, or rooting for you. I've made 681 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: some bad ones today all right, well, thanks in both 682 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: of those listeners for writing. 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