WEBVTT - Short Stuff: No Shirt, No Shoes, WTF 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:06.280 Hey, you welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, and 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:08.840 there's Chuck and there's Jerry, and this is short stuff 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.840 in the house. Let's talk. You know, a song I've 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:15.120 been singing all day, I do know, and I really 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:16.720 hope you won't sing it because I've been trying to 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:19.120 get it out of my head. Really, do you think 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.440 it's the same one. It's got to be, because it's 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.759 basically about this, Well, it's got to be. Did it 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:27.600 did eighty? Was it? From the I think sixties and 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.280 then an eighties metal band covered. Let's just not talk 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.720 about it any further, all right, we won't, because that 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.159 is what this is about exactly, That's right, uh, And 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.120 we're talking about and this is uh. This is a 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.600 shorter article from Earl Buddy Dave Bruce from the housetof 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:50.840 Works dot com website, and it's about uh. I don't 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:52.920 even want to say the word now, but it's about 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.280 when you enter an establishment and there may be words 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:01.440 printed on poster board that say no shirt, no shoes, 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:07.880 no service, yeah yeah, written by Vinny apparently, yeah, get 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:11.640 out of my barreau. On the other hand, it might 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.520 say shirt and shoes are required, but the upshot is 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:16.319 this And do you know what inspired me to to 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.240 pick this one? I have no idea. This is the 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:25.440 exception that proves the rule. Ah. So the the exception 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.440 is that there are places where you can't enter without 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.199 shoes or a shirt. They won't give your service, meaning 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.760 that it implies other places you could be without a 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:39.759 shirt or shoes. Okay, at any rate, I's so fact though, 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.759 there is a strange backstory to the no shirt, no shoes, 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:48.880 no service um placard. Uh. And that is that apparently 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.800 it was created. Not okay, so it wasn't created, but 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:56.440 it exploded in popularity in response to dirty hippies in 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.920 the late sixties and early seventies. Yeah, and I love 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.880 of the research behind this, because there's two things at work. Uh. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.200 In this how Stuff Works article, Dave got in touch 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.760 with the uh, well, he didn't get in touch with 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.000 the first one. But there's something called the Society of 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:15.480 Barefoot Living. No surprise, Society for Barefoot Living. Oh would 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.639 I say of? Yeah, they're not even just of they're 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.519 actually actively trying to to promote it. There's like, we're 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.720 of it, but you should be for it. So we 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.480 went to their blog and he found that these placards, 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.880 uh they say, didn't exist until nine and that's when 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.959 they really sort of took off because of hippies. So Dave, 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.639 researcher that he is, reached out to an author named 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:43.960 William H. Roarer Ball, author of something called a book 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.520 I guess called American Hippies. He's from the University of Washington, 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.960 and said, hey, is it true that these placards started 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.840 sprouting up because of hippies? And it sounds like his 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.680 answer was basically yeah, sure. He's like, yes, it's true, 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.240 leave me alone. You isn't very emphatic about it. He 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.880 was just like kind of like, yeah, that sounds about right. 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.280 Yeah he was, And he basically made the point. He 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.920 was like, this is not like they didn't create these 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.960 to put out hippies. It just so happens that roar 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:16.080 baugh Um came from grew up in a coastal Florida 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.000 town and he was like, we had these signs long 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:23.000 before hippies, but they were pretty much relegated to coastal 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:26.160 Florida towns with beaches because it was a lot more 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:28.520 formal back then. That's not usually the case now. If 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:31.000 you could walk into a beach bar in Florida. They 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.680 don't care what you're wearing or not wearing. But in 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.640 the fifties, you said, people were more formal, So these 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.800 things did exist, but it wasn't until the hippies came along. 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.800 They really started popping up all over the country in 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.320 businesses that wanted to keep hippies out. And this was 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.280 a really easy way to do it. I thought we 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.520 had sort of a nod a wink agreement to not 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.400 say the S word. And you already said it. Oh 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.920 did I? Yeah? What did I say? Well, you said that, 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:58.200 I know, But where did I say? Can we can 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.560 we crop it out the middle of that sentence? Which opence? 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.960 I'll redo the sentence. I really didn't want to sing. 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.880 It's okay, it's okay. We we just won't sing it. 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.000 Keep I screwed things up this badly, Chuck, I'm sorry, 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:17.360 that's okay. But the same author, I think, points out 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.800 that even though he was seeing these placards up in 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.800 Florida in the nineties when things are more formal, that 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.880 you go to Florida today, something that you may see 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:30.599 occasionally even which is the attitude is and sometimes they'll 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:35.839 even have this posted no shirt, no shoes, no problem. 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.840 Welcome to my pizaria. If any moved to Florida, Yeah, 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:44.160 with your toes, bring them in. Yeah. So um right, 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.760 Because he was saying that the culture was more formal 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.280 back than in the fifties, which is why they would 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:54.480 have a mini billboard in their window that said, um, no, 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.279 no shoes, no shoes, no service. Yeah. But now it's 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:01.520 it's uh, it's Margaritaville. It's Jimmy Buffetts style. You can 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.960 go in there with your flip flops on, no problem. Right. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.600 So if you looked at some of these um squares 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:11.000 of cardboard that were in a window, it just doesn't 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:16.440 matter anymore now. If you looked at some of these signs, 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:20.360 especially back in the fifties or in the sixties or seventies, 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.880 they would say something probably like by order of the 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:27.560 health Department. It turns out that this was a bald 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:31.640 faced lie, as dirty a lie as the hippies feet 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:33.840 were dirty. And I think we'll talk about that right 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.240 after a bright con chuck. It sounds like a great 0:05:36.279 --> 0:06:11.240 cliffy and shock like I'm never going to live this 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:15.160 down in my own mind. I'm so disappointed in myself 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:19.400 that's okay, you didn't say, and just you saying it's okay, 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.360 it doesn't make it okay. It's not okay. You didn't 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.600 say long haired freaky people need not apply. Yeah, we 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.280 just might as well as just let it all hang 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:33.320 out now. I actually like that song, do you well? Sure? 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.359 I do. I think it's kind of fun and like 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:39.479 the original or the Tesla version more well. I was 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.720 into Tesla for a little while because as a just 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:46.320 learning guitar player in high school, Tesla had some really 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:51.200 great guitar songs, good licks. I wouldn't I never saw 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.159 a Tesla in concert anything. I wasn't that deep, but 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:58.400 I liked the music videos that they aired. But the 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.680 Five Man Electrical Band, the original version, has this really 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.320 great intro before it slows down into the song that 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:10.320 I really really like. They're still around and they're Canadian. Okay, 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.240 I'll bet they like Gordon Lightfoot. I hope this makes 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.640 up for my Gordon Lightfoot comments. I don't know if 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:17.960 it's going to, but it's a good start. I'll bet 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:22.440 Canada says I love Rush too. Sure, who doesn't love Rush? 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.200 I mean, you'd have to be crazy not to like Rush. 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:29.400 Absolutely so I said something about the health department, um, 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.200 and saying that, no, you can't come in with shirt 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.480 or without a shirt or shoes. It's just dirty. And 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.640 we're the health department, so we don't we don't truck 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.880 to that kind of thing. And um, apparently it's not 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:45.840 the case because the Society for Barefoot Living. Of course 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.080 they did. They went to the trouble of writing to 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.680 every health department in the country, every state health department, 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.120 so fifty different health departments they wrote a letter to, 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.640 probably a form letter. I'm sure they didn't personalize each 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.880 one from scratch, but they got sponsors from them. They 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.840 posted them on their site that says to a health department, No, 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.840 there's no law whatsoever saying that a customer can or 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:13.560 can't enter a an establishment with or without shoes or 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.000 a shirt. That's just not a law anywhere in the 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.760 United States. Yeah, they're like, if you work there, you 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.040 gotta wear shoes and assured. I think it's just called 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.360 proper it's higher. Yeah. No, one wants a chest hair 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:28.240 in their pizza, no as much less Vinny's. That's not 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.360 what you want, especially Vinny in Florida, because then it 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:34.720 smells like cocoa butter and it's muggy. But the Health 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.920 Department doesn't care what the people that dine there are doing. Um, 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:43.240 they're concerned about the people running the business. Who does 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:47.320 care about ensuring rights is the US federal government. And 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.280 depending on who you are in this country and when 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:54.439 this was, but the nineteen four Federal Civil Rights Act 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.720 basically said, hey, if you've got a business, you got 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.920 a hotel, you gotta store a restaurant. You can't say 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.200 someone's got to leave because of their religion, or their 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:10.240 race or color, or their national origin. What about their shoes? Uh? 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.400 And then the Americans with Disabilities Act then extended that, 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:18.200 of course to people with disabilities, and certain states have 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:22.360 gotten on board with extending those rights to all Americans, 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.120 but the federal government has still not gotten on board 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:30.040 with extending those rights to all Americans. Again, though, what 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.679 about the shoes? And the upshot of it is this, 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.600 you can, as a business owner require certain forms of 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:41.000 attire and be well within your legal rights to tell 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.360 people they can't come in, as long as you're not 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:49.560 just applying it to one protected group and not all people. Right, 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:55.679 that's the key. So if you're just like Um, you know, uh, 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.880 Irish you have to wear shoes. Everybody else is fine. 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.239 You're gonna get in trouble if you do that. Um. 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:03.760 At the very at least the Irish are going to 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.040 be mad at you because they'll be like, what what 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.760 do we do? Um? But that's pretty much the key 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.960 to the whole thing. Yeah, exactly. Oh that's it, that's 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.840 the end. Huh. I have got nothing else I got. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.440 I'm wearing slippers right now. Yeah, me too. Are you 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.240 wearing socks with your slippers? Know what kind of slippers 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:28.880 you were in these days though? Sas sasha Washi slippers. Okay, 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:34.239 they're Japanese, but they're really nice and comfortable cloth slippers. 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:41.680 I have gotten into these Olokai products in general. Uh, 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.720 this is gonna make me seem aged now. But I 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.920 have my Olakai springing summer slippers that aren't super hot. 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.600 But then I was also you know, we went to 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.760 uh I took our first trip to the Bahamas over 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:00.240 the holidays, and I found myself in a predicament when 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.000 it comes to and this kind of dovetails with this 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.640 episode as far as like beach ware and like how 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.480 you got a dress at a restaurant when you're at 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:15.760 a beach place or a beach resort, yeah, usually, but 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.920 there's like it's still pretty casual. Like what I found 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.640 is there's like, and this sounds so terrible, but there's 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.360 like resort where that you can wear to a nice 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.120 place at a resort, but it's not like a nice 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.079 place in New York City. Yeah, like you don't want 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:34.480 to wear Tommy Bahama too. You know, I can't even 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.080 think of a nice place in New York, but you 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.520 could as resort where. Yeah, But what it basically was 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:41.800 ahead of predicament and that I never feel like I 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.080 have the right shoes down there. I have my flip 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:49.640 flops for the pool, and then I have my like 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.280 you know, my my new balance, my walking shoes or whatever, 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.000 and neither one of those feel right at a restaurant 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:59.040 like that. So I got some olakai like uh sort 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.240 of resort where she okay? Nice? Are they like woven 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:06.200 and kind of like doc ciders or are they like topsiders? 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:11.800 These are sort of um, sort of topsider esque, uh, 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.080 not woven. But then I also got a pair of 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.760 those like woven sandals that are kind of nice that 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.400 you could wear into a restaurant. I am not going 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:23.680 to resort any time in the planned future. But I 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.880 was at Nordstrum and saw that they had Sperry topsiders 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.559 on sale, and I was like, I'm getting those because 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.480 they're a bargain and I'm going to put them to 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.040 use someday. So I'm ready to go with the resort 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.559 wear shoes. I love it. We should meet up in 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.480 the Bahamas. It's very nice lets and I'll be like, 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.120 nice shoes, and you'll say, nice shoes. Let's go get 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:47.320 some tomorrow. Oh no, not down there, No no, no, 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:51.000 you could drink drink some rum or something. Okay, we'll 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.920 do that instead. Okay, Uh, that's it, right, Chuck. Yeah, 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.560 we we successfully patted this one out to twelve minutes. Well, 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.920 since Chuck said, we padded that me short Stuff is out. 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:05.880 Stuff You Should Know is a production of I Heart Radio. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.880 For more podcasts my Heart Radio, visit the I Heart 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.840 Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:12.600 favorite shows.