1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Hey, you welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, and 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: there's Chuck and there's Jerry, and this is short stuff 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: in the house. Let's talk. You know, a song I've 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: been singing all day, I do know, and I really 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: hope you won't sing it because I've been trying to 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: get it out of my head. Really, do you think 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: it's the same one. It's got to be, because it's 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: basically about this, Well, it's got to be. Did it 9 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: did eighty? Was it? From the I think sixties and 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: then an eighties metal band covered. Let's just not talk 11 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: about it any further, all right, we won't, because that 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: is what this is about exactly, That's right, uh, And 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about and this is uh. This is a 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: shorter article from Earl Buddy Dave Bruce from the housetof 15 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: Works dot com website, and it's about uh. I don't 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: even want to say the word now, but it's about 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: when you enter an establishment and there may be words 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: printed on poster board that say no shirt, no shoes, 19 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: no service, yeah yeah, written by Vinny apparently, yeah, get 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: out of my barreau. On the other hand, it might 21 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: say shirt and shoes are required, but the upshot is 22 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: this And do you know what inspired me to to 23 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: pick this one? I have no idea. This is the 24 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: exception that proves the rule. Ah. So the the exception 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: is that there are places where you can't enter without 26 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 1: shoes or a shirt. They won't give your service, meaning 27 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: that it implies other places you could be without a 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: shirt or shoes. Okay, at any rate, I's so fact though, 29 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: there is a strange backstory to the no shirt, no shoes, 30 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: no service um placard. Uh. And that is that apparently 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: it was created. Not okay, so it wasn't created, but 32 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: it exploded in popularity in response to dirty hippies in 33 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: the late sixties and early seventies. Yeah, and I love 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: of the research behind this, because there's two things at work. Uh. 35 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: In this how Stuff Works article, Dave got in touch 36 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: with the uh, well, he didn't get in touch with 37 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: the first one. But there's something called the Society of 38 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: Barefoot Living. No surprise, Society for Barefoot Living. Oh would 39 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: I say of? Yeah, they're not even just of they're 40 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: actually actively trying to to promote it. There's like, we're 41 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: of it, but you should be for it. So we 42 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: went to their blog and he found that these placards, 43 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: uh they say, didn't exist until nine and that's when 44 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: they really sort of took off because of hippies. So Dave, 45 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: researcher that he is, reached out to an author named 46 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: William H. Roarer Ball, author of something called a book 47 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: I guess called American Hippies. He's from the University of Washington, 48 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: and said, hey, is it true that these placards started 49 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: sprouting up because of hippies? And it sounds like his 50 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: answer was basically yeah, sure. He's like, yes, it's true, 51 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: leave me alone. You isn't very emphatic about it. He 52 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: was just like kind of like, yeah, that sounds about right. 53 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: Yeah he was, And he basically made the point. He 54 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: was like, this is not like they didn't create these 55 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: to put out hippies. It just so happens that roar 56 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: baugh Um came from grew up in a coastal Florida 57 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: town and he was like, we had these signs long 58 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: before hippies, but they were pretty much relegated to coastal 59 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: Florida towns with beaches because it was a lot more 60 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: formal back then. That's not usually the case now. If 61 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: you could walk into a beach bar in Florida. They 62 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: don't care what you're wearing or not wearing. But in 63 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: the fifties, you said, people were more formal, So these 64 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: things did exist, but it wasn't until the hippies came along. 65 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: They really started popping up all over the country in 66 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: businesses that wanted to keep hippies out. And this was 67 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: a really easy way to do it. I thought we 68 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: had sort of a nod a wink agreement to not 69 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: say the S word. And you already said it. Oh 70 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: did I? Yeah? What did I say? Well, you said that, 71 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: I know, But where did I say? Can we can 72 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: we crop it out the middle of that sentence? Which opence? 73 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: I'll redo the sentence. I really didn't want to sing. 74 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay. We we just won't sing it. 75 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: Keep I screwed things up this badly, Chuck, I'm sorry, 76 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: that's okay. But the same author, I think, points out 77 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: that even though he was seeing these placards up in 78 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: Florida in the nineties when things are more formal, that 79 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: you go to Florida today, something that you may see 80 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: occasionally even which is the attitude is and sometimes they'll 81 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: even have this posted no shirt, no shoes, no problem. 82 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to my pizaria. If any moved to Florida, Yeah, 83 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: with your toes, bring them in. Yeah. So um right, 84 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: Because he was saying that the culture was more formal 85 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: back than in the fifties, which is why they would 86 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: have a mini billboard in their window that said, um, no, 87 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: no shoes, no shoes, no service. Yeah. But now it's 88 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's Margaritaville. It's Jimmy Buffetts style. You can 89 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: go in there with your flip flops on, no problem. Right. 90 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: So if you looked at some of these um squares 91 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: of cardboard that were in a window, it just doesn't 92 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: matter anymore now. If you looked at some of these signs, 93 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: especially back in the fifties or in the sixties or seventies, 94 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: they would say something probably like by order of the 95 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: health Department. It turns out that this was a bald 96 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: faced lie, as dirty a lie as the hippies feet 97 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: were dirty. And I think we'll talk about that right 98 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: after a bright con chuck. It sounds like a great 99 00:05:36,279 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: cliffy and shock like I'm never going to live this 100 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: down in my own mind. I'm so disappointed in myself 101 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: that's okay, you didn't say, and just you saying it's okay, 102 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't make it okay. It's not okay. You didn't 103 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: say long haired freaky people need not apply. Yeah, we 104 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: just might as well as just let it all hang 105 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: out now. I actually like that song, do you well? Sure? 106 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: I do. I think it's kind of fun and like 107 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: the original or the Tesla version more well. I was 108 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: into Tesla for a little while because as a just 109 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: learning guitar player in high school, Tesla had some really 110 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: great guitar songs, good licks. I wouldn't I never saw 111 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: a Tesla in concert anything. I wasn't that deep, but 112 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: I liked the music videos that they aired. But the 113 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: Five Man Electrical Band, the original version, has this really 114 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: great intro before it slows down into the song that 115 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: I really really like. They're still around and they're Canadian. Okay, 116 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: I'll bet they like Gordon Lightfoot. I hope this makes 117 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: up for my Gordon Lightfoot comments. I don't know if 118 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: it's going to, but it's a good start. I'll bet 119 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: Canada says I love Rush too. Sure, who doesn't love Rush? 120 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you'd have to be crazy not to like Rush. 121 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely so I said something about the health department, um, 122 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: and saying that, no, you can't come in with shirt 123 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: or without a shirt or shoes. It's just dirty. And 124 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: we're the health department, so we don't we don't truck 125 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: to that kind of thing. And um, apparently it's not 126 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: the case because the Society for Barefoot Living. Of course 127 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: they did. They went to the trouble of writing to 128 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: every health department in the country, every state health department, 129 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: so fifty different health departments they wrote a letter to, 130 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: probably a form letter. I'm sure they didn't personalize each 131 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: one from scratch, but they got sponsors from them. They 132 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: posted them on their site that says to a health department, No, 133 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: there's no law whatsoever saying that a customer can or 134 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: can't enter a an establishment with or without shoes or 135 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: a shirt. That's just not a law anywhere in the 136 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: United States. Yeah, they're like, if you work there, you 137 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: gotta wear shoes and assured. I think it's just called 138 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: proper it's higher. Yeah. No, one wants a chest hair 139 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: in their pizza, no as much less Vinny's. That's not 140 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: what you want, especially Vinny in Florida, because then it 141 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: smells like cocoa butter and it's muggy. But the Health 142 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: Department doesn't care what the people that dine there are doing. Um, 143 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: they're concerned about the people running the business. Who does 144 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: care about ensuring rights is the US federal government. And 145 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: depending on who you are in this country and when 146 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: this was, but the nineteen four Federal Civil Rights Act 147 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: basically said, hey, if you've got a business, you got 148 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: a hotel, you gotta store a restaurant. You can't say 149 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: someone's got to leave because of their religion, or their 150 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: race or color, or their national origin. What about their shoes? Uh? 151 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: And then the Americans with Disabilities Act then extended that, 152 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: of course to people with disabilities, and certain states have 153 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: gotten on board with extending those rights to all Americans, 154 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: but the federal government has still not gotten on board 155 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: with extending those rights to all Americans. Again, though, what 156 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: about the shoes? And the upshot of it is this, 157 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: you can, as a business owner require certain forms of 158 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: attire and be well within your legal rights to tell 159 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: people they can't come in, as long as you're not 160 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: just applying it to one protected group and not all people. Right, 161 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: that's the key. So if you're just like Um, you know, uh, 162 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: Irish you have to wear shoes. Everybody else is fine. 163 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,239 Speaker 1: You're gonna get in trouble if you do that. Um. 164 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: At the very at least the Irish are going to 165 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: be mad at you because they'll be like, what what 166 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: do we do? Um? But that's pretty much the key 167 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: to the whole thing. Yeah, exactly. Oh that's it, that's 168 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: the end. Huh. I have got nothing else I got. 169 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm wearing slippers right now. Yeah, me too. Are you 170 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: wearing socks with your slippers? Know what kind of slippers 171 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: you were in these days though? Sas sasha Washi slippers. Okay, 172 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:34,239 Speaker 1: they're Japanese, but they're really nice and comfortable cloth slippers. 173 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: I have gotten into these Olokai products in general. Uh, 174 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: this is gonna make me seem aged now. But I 175 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: have my Olakai springing summer slippers that aren't super hot. 176 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: But then I was also you know, we went to 177 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: uh I took our first trip to the Bahamas over 178 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: the holidays, and I found myself in a predicament when 179 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: it comes to and this kind of dovetails with this 180 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: episode as far as like beach ware and like how 181 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: you got a dress at a restaurant when you're at 182 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: a beach place or a beach resort, yeah, usually, but 183 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: there's like it's still pretty casual. Like what I found 184 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: is there's like, and this sounds so terrible, but there's 185 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: like resort where that you can wear to a nice 186 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: place at a resort, but it's not like a nice 187 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: place in New York City. Yeah, like you don't want 188 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: to wear Tommy Bahama too. You know, I can't even 189 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: think of a nice place in New York, but you 190 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: could as resort where. Yeah, But what it basically was 191 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: ahead of predicament and that I never feel like I 192 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: have the right shoes down there. I have my flip 193 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: flops for the pool, and then I have my like 194 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: you know, my my new balance, my walking shoes or whatever, 195 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: and neither one of those feel right at a restaurant 196 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: like that. So I got some olakai like uh sort 197 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: of resort where she okay? Nice? Are they like woven 198 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: and kind of like doc ciders or are they like topsiders? 199 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: These are sort of um, sort of topsider esque, uh, 200 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: not woven. But then I also got a pair of 201 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: those like woven sandals that are kind of nice that 202 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: you could wear into a restaurant. I am not going 203 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: to resort any time in the planned future. But I 204 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: was at Nordstrum and saw that they had Sperry topsiders 205 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: on sale, and I was like, I'm getting those because 206 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: they're a bargain and I'm going to put them to 207 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: use someday. So I'm ready to go with the resort 208 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: wear shoes. I love it. We should meet up in 209 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: the Bahamas. It's very nice lets and I'll be like, 210 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: nice shoes, and you'll say, nice shoes. Let's go get 211 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: some tomorrow. Oh no, not down there, No no, no, 212 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: you could drink drink some rum or something. Okay, we'll 213 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: do that instead. Okay, Uh, that's it, right, Chuck. Yeah, 214 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: we we successfully patted this one out to twelve minutes. Well, 215 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: since Chuck said, we padded that me short Stuff is out. 216 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: Stuff You Should Know is a production of I Heart Radio. 217 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: For more podcasts my Heart Radio, visit the I Heart 218 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 219 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: favorite shows.