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Why work out thousands of dollars 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: to a private eye when you can do the job yourself. 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: Go to truth finder dot com, slash Nancy and enter 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: any name to get started. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: on sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. A high 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: school girl straight A's a hockey star All across Star 14 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: is found brutally murdered and buried in a shallow grave 15 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: at a local park, Lincoln Park. Her boyfriend is soon 16 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 1: identified and he's convicted of the murder. But now after 17 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: a high profile podcast called Cereal insists that he's innocent, 18 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: is he getting a new trial and set to walk 19 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: To add insult to injury the victim, Little hay hay 20 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: Lee's family cannot speak English. They and she have no voice. Well, 21 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: you know what they're getting one, They're getting a voice. 22 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: We want justice for hay Lee and that means to 23 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: many court watchers that her killer, add Non Sayed, stays 24 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: behind bars. Lady Justice, Are you listening A and E 25 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: tonight Thursday night, eleven p M. Grace versus Abrams, please 26 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: join us. Tex mgiver admits that he shot his wife 27 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: Diane as they drove near Piedmont Park. He was accused 28 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: of murdering his wife last September as they drove home 29 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: from their Putnam County ranch. He says it was a 30 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: terrible accident when he was sitting in the back seat 31 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: of his suv holding a pistol. Ships absolutely was an accident. 32 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 1: Perhaps the best proof for that is me, I am 33 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: dying a little bit every day. The longtime friending confident 34 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: of miss mcgiver says she's certain that textmdiver had fallen 35 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: asleep and was asleep while holding his weapon. He had 36 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: asked Diane for it because he was concerned about them 37 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 1: driving down a street where homeless people were hanging out. 38 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: He says it went off and shot his wife Diane 39 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 1: in the back. High profile and incredibly wealthy attorney guilty 40 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: and the shooting death of his gorgeous, much younger and 41 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: extremely well to do wife. He claimed it was all 42 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: an accident. But how can you shoot somebody in the 43 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: back and that be an accident. Well, it's a long, 44 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: long story. This is crime stories. I'm Nancy Grace. Thank 45 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: you for being with me and with me the man 46 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: who managed to secure that guilty verdict. Yes, it was 47 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: a jury decision, but the lead prosecutor from the Atlanta 48 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: District Attorney's office is with me right now. My former 49 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: trial partner, Clint Ruckert. Clint, I gotta tell you somethingbody. 50 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: When I first heard the charges, I was very concerned. 51 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: And this is what bothered me. Guys were talking about 52 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: text Mchiver and his wife, Diane. She was the one 53 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: who worked her way up the ranks of a national 54 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: business Corey limousine. She was the one with the money, 55 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: although he was the high profile lawyer. They were out 56 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: that night with a family friend. The husband in the 57 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: back seat. He was holding a gun in his hand. 58 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: He says, he dozed off and boop, he pulled the 59 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: trigger and shot in the back. Take a listen to 60 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: this and as I learned in the Scouts that's your 61 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: obligation to protect people around and that's what I was 62 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: doing that night. That's what I've done other times. And 63 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: sometimes that's a weapon, sometimes it's martial arts, it's whatever 64 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,559 Speaker 1: we we need. But guns are not my thing. Danny 65 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: Joe came to a stop and anyway this time and weak, 66 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: but she came to a stop and I was handling 67 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: the gun. I realized he was in my lap, right, Okay? 68 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: Was that an accident or was it murder? This is 69 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: what bothered me, Clint. What bothered me is this that 70 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: when the wife, Diane McIvor, goes to the hospital, they 71 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: say what happened? She said it was an accident, Clint, 72 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: how did you get around accident? Which is a complete defense. Well, 73 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: first of all, Nancy, let me tell you um, I 74 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: miss you, and thank you so much for giving me 75 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: the opportunity to uh to come on and speak about 76 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: this case because it was a very very important case 77 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: in our community and and a lot of what um 78 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: is portrayed is not the complete story. Nancy. Oh, I 79 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: love that. I love that. Wait a minute, wait a minute, 80 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: can we get back to how you love me and 81 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: miss me? Okay, wait, wait, that's neither here nor there, Clint, Clint, 82 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something. I've watched you. You were 83 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: awesome in the courtroom. You must have had an incredible teacher. 84 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: But I won't go into that. What you're saying is 85 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: that we don't know the whole story. You're right. Unless 86 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: you sit there and you hear the evidence every minute, 87 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: or you investigate it yourself, you don't know. Tell me 88 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: the whole thing, start at the beginning. Well, you know, Nancy. 89 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: The thing that we found out about this case that 90 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: made it particularly intriguing for us and led us to 91 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: indict the defendant, Mr mcgover with these charges, is that 92 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: the image of a perfect, loving, uh marriage without any 93 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: problems was really a fallacy. Um. There were issues in 94 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: the marriage that we found out that had to do 95 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: with not only finances, but also the handling of both 96 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: Diamagover and Text mcgover's estate. And so what does that what? 97 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 1: What what does that have to do handling her estate? 98 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: What does that have to do with her getting murdered? 99 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: The estate didn't occur until afterwards, yes, but they had 100 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: been arguing about how to transfer the major asset for 101 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: both of them upon their death, which was the rant 102 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: which was valued at several million dollars, and that McGivern 103 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: had invested many, many millions into this ranch and was 104 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: desperately attempting to leave it to her godson, Austin swall uh. 105 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: And the conflict developed because Text mcgiver disagreed with that decision. 106 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: WHA what did you say, schwall sh w A l L. Yeah. 107 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: Someone a family that we are very familiar with here 108 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: in Fulton County. Is his Is he connected to Judge 109 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: swall Absolutely, that's his biological side. Oh lord lordy, lordy, okay, 110 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: go ahead, And so the wait wait wait wait wait 111 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait, hold on, hold on with me. 112 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: Is Clinton Rucker, the lead attorney in the prosecution against 113 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: high profile lawyer Text McIver charged and just convicted in 114 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: the murder of his wife. Hold on, take a listen 115 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: to the prosecution. Didn't have a pension, and our expert 116 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: was testified and based upon his spending habits, it would 117 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: be depleted in two years after he retired. And in 118 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: addition to that, without the money from Diana he was 119 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: receiving every month on the tip of her death to 120 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: defend it wouldn't even have one dollar. As a matter 121 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: of fact, without Diane's money on the day that she died, 122 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: his account would have been negative over five thousand dollars. 123 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: You're gonna hear then when she drafted the will in 124 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen, then the ranch would go to 125 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: the defendant if she fore closed on the ranch. It 126 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: was her attempt for the ranch to go to Austin 127 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: And you're gonna be here in the days after Diane 128 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: was shot and the defendant goes to talk to two 129 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: homicide detectives at a p D and without any prompting, 130 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: he tells them, I like to be in control. And 131 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: on September two thousand and sixteen, Diane was making all 132 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: of the money. Diane owned the two condos in Buckhead. 133 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: Diane could take the ranch, this wrench, according to the witnesses, 134 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: that was his pride and joy, this ranch that he 135 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: would go to every weekend, that he would host parties at, 136 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: that he would go shooting at. Diane could take from him. 137 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: Why do they have a ranch anyway? I don't understand. 138 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: They've got this beautiful high rise luxury place in the 139 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: city of Atlanta. What who who wanted the ranch? Well, 140 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: when Diane mcgiver met Text mcgiver. He had owned the 141 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: ranch for approximately ten years. It was his pride and joy. 142 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: He is originally from Texas, and he had longed to 143 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: live a lifestyle of Georgia rancher where he would have 144 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: horses and cattle and large pastures, and and that really 145 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: was a fulfillment for him. Wait a minute, you know 146 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: ranches cost money, Clint, I mean very expensive. I grew 147 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: up out in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by farms. 148 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: But the kind of farmers we need were the ones 149 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: that would get on the traytor and get out there 150 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: and bringing in the cross themselves. That's what we're talking about. Okay, 151 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: what are we Are we talking about a quote gentleman farmer. 152 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: I have somebody that's right, that's right. I tell you what, Clint, 153 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: it would be a cold day in h double l 154 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: before I propped up some husband's farm. I'm like, hey, 155 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: if you don't help me, at least don't hurt me. Translation. 156 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm not paying for your farm for you to go 157 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: play ride a horse on weekends. No, right, right? And 158 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: Text mcgiver's problem Nancy was that he had um been 159 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: demoted in his partnership at Fisher in Phillips. His income 160 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: had dropped by more than whever the ranch expenses. The 161 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: rant expenses remained constant. They were twenty five thousand dollars 162 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: a month. Only what I'm trying to I'm trying to 163 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: so call this in Why did he get demoted? Um, Nancy? 164 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 1: He just wasn't able to produce the way he had 165 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: been in previous years. I talked to the managing partner 166 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: at Fishing Phillips. They said, hey, listen, this guy is 167 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: not producing the way that he had been doing in 168 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: years past, and it was time. So he wasn't making 169 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: any rate again, he wasn't bringing enough clients all right. 170 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: So who was paying the grand a month on the 171 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: keep up the phone over the last three years before 172 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: Diane's death. She did. He gave him one hundred and 173 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: nine thousand dollars in cash in order to help him 174 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: keep up the expenses at the ranch. Clip clap in cash. 175 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: Please do not go begging for money to your wife. 176 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: Please don't do that. Okay. I don't know if I 177 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: got to that life lesson with you when when we 178 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: were working together in the days that Please don't do that. 179 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: So why didn't he just learned it. Why didn't he 180 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: just sell the ranch? Well, you know, Nancy, that's what 181 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: most folks probably would have done. They would have just 182 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: adjusted their lifestyle. But he was so rooted and his 183 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: political power, his position, and all of his influence that 184 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: he could not shake his way free of divorcing himself 185 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: from this ranch. And when he got in serious financial trouble, 186 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: Diane mcgiver at actually loaned him three hundred and fifty 187 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Take a listen to this on Diane. It 188 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: went from negative five thousand dollars to over one point 189 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: one million dollars cash instantly. And he was the executive 190 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: I wanted the beneficiary of Diane's seven million dollars state 191 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: the easiest way for him to gain control was to 192 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: kill Diane. And on Sunday, September twenty five, two thousand 193 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: and sixteen, the evidence will show that that is just 194 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: what he did. Diane mcgiver actually loaned him three hundred 195 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars. Clint, she took out a note. 196 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: That's absolutely true, man took out a note. You know 197 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: what that says to me? You know what that says 198 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: to me Okay, think back, Do you remember I was 199 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: prosecuting that murder. Well which murder you may ask, Well, 200 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: the one when I wrecked my car on the way 201 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: back from the women's jail in Gwinnette County. I don't 202 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: know if he's coming back to you yet. Okay, that one, Okay, 203 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: I didn't have a car. My now husband was was 204 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: getting rid of his car. He gave me his old 205 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: beat up what that beat up? His old car? He 206 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: got a new car about once a month. You know, 207 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: we didn't make anything as a d A, that assistant 208 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: d A. And you know I was working the two 209 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: night jobs everything. A couple of weeks. I'd throw a 210 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: handful of quarters on the table and go, hey, hey, 211 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: here's your payment on the car. See you believe me. 212 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: We did not have a note. A note is serious 213 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: between people that are allegedly in love are married. When 214 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: you make your husband sign a note for the okay, 215 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: actually with the court, Oh my star for mercy. And 216 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: not only that, but Nancy the note had a clause 217 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: in it that allowed her to four clothes and take 218 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: over his interest in that ranch for any or no 219 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: reason whatsoever. She added that clause to the note specifically 220 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: to cover this circumstance. Okay, you're leaving me a little 221 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: bit speechless, which you know, Clint is hard to do. 222 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: Uh Colden. Let me just soak that in for a moment. 223 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: And I don't want to make Diane out is some 224 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: shrewd all. Her co workers liked her, her family loved her, 225 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: her neighbors loved her. But I've got a feeling she 226 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: felt like she was getting used by him as a 227 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: as an a t M. Well, over time, she was 228 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: a person who had expressed the people that she was 229 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: getting tired of carrying texts. Um. She was not a 230 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: woman who was accustomed to having to take care of 231 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: a man, and he was a man who was accustomed 232 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: to having women take care of him. Well wait, wait, 233 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: waits what bombshell Bobshell? Right now? Wait, who in their 234 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: right mind would take care of Tex mcgever. I mean, 235 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: he's not that much to look at. I mean, what 236 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: what could he offer a woman that should want to 237 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: take care of him? Well, at the time that they met, 238 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, back in two thousand and one, you know, 239 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: he was a partner at Fisher in Phillips, which is 240 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: a prominent law firm, and he was pretty active in 241 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: the politics here in the state of Georgia. Still not interested. 242 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: And you know, many people feel like this was a 243 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: marriage of just convenience. It was a business relationship that 244 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: allowed I do this is what the defense had to say. 245 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: And know that Bess and after that love you love her, 246 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: sadly love her, and she loves that. You want to 247 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: hear from whole businesses that they had a relationship, that 248 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: people were in the sad, that they seem load love hers, 249 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: even how the ten years marrish that text the word sad, 250 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: that she loves him, and that they were hearing her 251 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: how to the married each other. And that's why I 252 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: didn't sen Clint, it was a business relationship. I came 253 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: to feel that way when you talked to the friends 254 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: and family members that kind of interacted with them, Um, 255 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: they will tell you things about the way that they 256 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: communicated with each other that leads me to believe that 257 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: they were just what I want to know, like what, 258 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: like what tell me give me one exact apple, Clint Rucker, 259 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: Like they would never want to be alone, not for dinner, 260 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: not for breakfast, not for lunch, not for vacations, not 261 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: for family trips to the ranch. There was always a 262 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: request by Diane that someone accompanied them. It was as 263 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: though she did not want to be alone with the 264 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: defendant with their own husband. Okay, you just spoke to me. 265 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: You just spoke to me, Clint, because you know David, 266 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: you know my twins, and you know me, you know 267 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: very very well. And you know I get up clamp 268 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: about five thirty every morning, and you know what, I 269 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: have just enough time to have one cup of hot 270 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: tea with with David. He has coffee. I have tea 271 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: before he heads out, before I start researching and and 272 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: getting the twins ready and all that. One cup, one 273 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: cup of tea. And do you know that means a 274 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: lot to me. Yes, Well, they were a couple that 275 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: was very different. They would and they did not have 276 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: a cup of tea in the morning. They would invite 277 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: the neighbors to come over and perhaps sit down and 278 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: have coffee first thing in the morning. You know that 279 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: they were having dinner, deadly serious. If they were having dinner, 280 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: they would invite four or five people over for dinner 281 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: every night. If they were going to the ranch, they 282 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: would invite hundreds of people sometimes to come down to 283 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: the ranch. If they were going on vacation time they 284 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: had the friend Danny Lynn Carter. Is that is it, 285 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: Danny Lanard, Danny j Danny Joe Carter, Danny Joe Carter. 286 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: And this was the first time, Nancy, this is a 287 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: key point in the trial. This was the first time 288 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: in over twelve years that Danny Joe Carter had ever 289 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: gone to the ranch in the same vehicle with Diane 290 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: and Texas mcgiver the first time at Oh, I know 291 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: what that means. That means you think it was planned, 292 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: because why out of twelve years, all this time the 293 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's time to put the rubber to the road. 294 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: Now he's running out of money, she can foreclose on 295 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: his beloved ranch. That's his whole image. And this time 296 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: the night she gets murdered, you're saying he sets it 297 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: up for Danny Joe to be there and to end 298 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: up one of them end up driving. And one of 299 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: the pieces that we discovered when we investigated is that 300 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: text mcgiver attempted to have one of the ranch hands 301 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: take then Joe back to Atlanta on Sunday. Tex mcgiver 302 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: claimed that he wanted to spend a romanic evening with 303 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: his wife there at the ranch on Sunday night. But 304 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: we know that could lie because Diane mcgiver had an 305 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: appointment at seven thirty Monday morning to get a massage, 306 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: So that means he was going to try to have 307 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: her to himself to do the murder at the ranch, 308 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: away from everybody, But it didn't work out that way, 309 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: so he had to imprint. Can I just ask you this, Clint, 310 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: And I mean, did they ever have sex? Well? When 311 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: I talked to a very close friend of Text mcgivers, 312 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: he told me that Text mcgiver was talking to him 313 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: about his inability to perform um intimately with his wife. 314 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: He was very concerned about it. And why do you 315 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: talk like that? Why did you talk like that? Is 316 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: not the Clint Rutger that I raised up in the courtroom. 317 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: In other words, it is not in other words, he 318 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: was not able to get it on with his wife 319 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: in the bedroom. I think what you're trying to say 320 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: is mc iver was apparently having a rectile dysfunctions. Now 321 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,479 Speaker 1: I might put it in Layman's arms if I were 322 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: in the courtroom. But okay, so what is he blaming 323 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: her for that? Well? And and and I don't know 324 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: what he blamed it on but I do know there 325 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: was a period of time when they slept in separate. 326 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: Well was that at the time of the murder. Were 327 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: they sleeping together? Well, according to friends and relatives, they 328 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: were not. They were sleeping. Now listen, Clint, you know 329 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: where I'm going with this. I don't give a figure 330 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: about anybody else's sex life. I'm not interested. In fact, 331 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: I'd rather not tell me about it. But it's very 332 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: it's very relevant when it comes to a murder case, 333 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: but a domestic homicide, because if people are all in 334 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: love and they're working on their relationship, they'll at least 335 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: sleep in the same bed, whether they're too tired at 336 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,479 Speaker 1: night to do anything or not. I mean, you at 337 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: least you want to be together. You want to put 338 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: your foot on the other person's foot, Okay, So I 339 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: mean you just want to be with them because you know, 340 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: even if the love is there. What Diane was a 341 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: woman who was very concerned about, um, you know, their image, 342 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: and so she would not discuss many of these private 343 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: matters with her friends or even her coworkers. Uh. And 344 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: so she would go to all links to maintain this image, 345 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: this appearance that everything was Okay, okay, give me an example. 346 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: I need to know the details, right. So for instance, um, 347 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, even in our you know, in my own relationships, 348 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: sometimes you can have a disagree Are we really going there? 349 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: Are we really going there? Okay? You know, you can 350 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: have a disagreement and be on your way to an 351 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: event and by the time you pull up to the 352 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: event and get out of the car, everything is warm 353 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: and fuzzy and people don't know that, Hey, all the 354 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: way to the event, we have been disagreeing out whatever 355 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,959 Speaker 1: the issue is. You just don't let people. As much 356 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: as I'd like to talk about you and your life, 357 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: did you please tell me about how she covered up 358 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: to make it look like a happy relationship. One example, well, 359 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: one example would be that she told one of her 360 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: co workers that she was tired of carrying him, that 361 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: he was not meeting his obligations with respect to the 362 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty dollar a lone. But no, I 363 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: asked you, what did she do to make it look 364 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: like a happy marriage? How did she think they would 365 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: They would they would smile, and they would hold hands 366 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: and they would be um um hugging in public. When 367 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: what we know is that there were arguments and disagreements 368 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: over money. Um that she was very very very serious about. 369 00:24:53,040 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this very successful and at age 370 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: seventy four, you're in a Jami Well. I hope to 371 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: be out soon about the reality is Um, I just 372 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: I just missed my wife so much. It was the 373 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: perfect marriage. It really was. Yeah. I just every day 374 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: I reached four in the morning when I wake up. 375 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: Just anyway, I've got her lap on my faith thirty 376 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: eight don't go off by itself. It took me maybe 377 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: a day or to you. We had to kind of 378 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: think in we were all dying family. We're a dying family, 379 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: and then we realized it was not an accident. We 380 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: didn't think it was an accident, and the jury confirmed 381 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: that the day it was not an accident. His hand 382 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: was on a trigger. Guns just don't go off defending 383 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: a gun. Just don't go off. So we didn't think 384 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: that it was accidental. But what we do know is 385 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: that she's no longer here with us, and that we 386 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: had to give justice and justice with her. There are 387 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: some facts that we don't have to see in this case. 388 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: Actould maybe quiet of you. One fact you are not 389 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: going to have to decide did text intention is to 390 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: test you? Yes he did. We are not telling you 391 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: that the gun was sitting on the seat next to 392 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: him the accidentally. You know, we are not telling you 393 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: that the gun malfunction. No one is going to ask 394 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: you to decide he was holding the gun. Whatever or 395 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: not it was test. That's not a dispute, and don't 396 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: worry about that. The question you have to decide, wasn't 397 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: intentional that the evidence on the show decide nothing the 398 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: stable was that to you will prove, but this is not. 399 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: There were arguments and disagreements over money, um that she 400 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: was very very very serious about. UM. She would have 401 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: even her best friends Danny Joe Carter, who had been 402 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: her friend for forty two years, She would make Danny 403 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: Joe Carter sign a note for a small loan and 404 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: would insist that she paid on time and mancy. She 405 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: even charged the interest her own best friend. Okay, you 406 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: know what that she gives me an insight into her personality. 407 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: But you know what, Clint, she weren't like a dog 408 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: to get where she was. And we don't know how 409 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: many people had taken advantage of her in the past. 410 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: We don't know that. So the fact that she made 411 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: people sign a note. I'm not going to hold out 412 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: against the woman because I respect her. That's right. She 413 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: was a great businesswoman. So let me ask you this. 414 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: And her specialty was real estate. Let me ask you this, 415 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: Clint clint Rucker, Clint, he was indicted with murder one, 416 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: which is intentional murder, and then felony murder, which, as 417 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: we all know, is during a felony, which is an 418 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: aggravated assault in this case, and a death occurs, whether 419 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: intentional or not. But a felony is happening and a 420 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: death occurs. Tell me your reasoning why you think this 421 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: was malice or intentional murder? And remember, malice can be 422 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: formed in the twinkling of an eye. It's not some 423 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: long drawn out plan like I poisoned my husband for 424 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: three months and he kills over. You can form intent bam, 425 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: just in the time it takes you to raise a 426 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: gun and pull the trigger. So why Clint Rucker, you're 427 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: the lead lawyer and the prosecution of text macwib do 428 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: you believe this was malice murder? Because I know you 429 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: would not have gone forward with it if you didn't 430 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: believe it's we went forward on the charge of malice 431 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: murder because things primarily, one, we believe that there was 432 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: a motive uh to commit this murder, although in Georgia 433 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: motive is not required, as you know Nancy to prove 434 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: malice murder. But there was a motive president in this case, 435 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,479 Speaker 1: and it was financial. And two, it was the manner 436 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: in which the murder was committed, that being the shooting 437 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: of Diama Diver with revolver that takes twelve and a 438 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: quarter pounds of pressure to pull the trigger, and she 439 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: was shot in the back at a trajectory that was 440 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: inconsistent with what his stated version of the events were. Oh, 441 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: tell me that about the trajectory, that's very important. Trajectory. 442 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: Path is the angle, the path that the bullet takes 443 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: to the body. So did it start at the lower 444 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: back and go upward or from the side down upward frontward? 445 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: For what was the path? What was the true path 446 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: of the bullet? So the pathway, the pathway is determined 447 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: by the expert's fancy, and you know that they're experts 448 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: that can determine this kind of thing. Um was that 449 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: the bullet traveled from the right side of the descendant 450 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: to the left from the victim. From the victim, the 451 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: pathway was upward and it was from back to front. 452 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: And so when you put the trajectory rod through the seat, 453 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: which will indicate to you in a very visible way 454 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: the way that the bullet travels, you can see the 455 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: handgun had to have been at the time when it 456 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: was fired. But more importantly, you can see where it 457 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: could not have been at the time. 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Guys, if you're just joining me, this 491 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: is Clint Rucker, the lead attorney in the prosecution of 492 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: high profile lawyer Text mckiver just convicted in the murder 493 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: of his wife. What you're telling me, Clint, I mean, 494 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: this is it right here. His story was, he fell 495 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: asleep in the back seat while he told several stories, 496 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: and then he blamed the belt, blamed the black man. Okay, 497 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: Black Lives matter, according to him, was having a protest 498 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: and he got afraid and got out, got the gun 499 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: and book it went off, all right. Then later he 500 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: said he was asleep, they went over a pothole and 501 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: book it went off. There's always but you know those 502 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: two Uh, he could have woven together. But no way 503 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: can he reconcile the trajectory path of the bullet. Let 504 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: me understand, you're saying the gun the barrel had to 505 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: be pointing toward her lower right back and going slightly 506 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: upwards and forward. He would have to be happy almost 507 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: down in the floor of the car to do that. 508 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: That's correct. And because Tex mcgever was an expert marksman 509 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: and literally a gun expert. Uh, the bullet missed Diana 510 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: Gever's heart by mere centimeters. You know something that really 511 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: spoke to me, Clint Rucker, My my my friend, my friend, 512 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: my longtime friend, Clint. When you know that I almost 513 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: died in childbirth right that morning. It was a Sunday morning, 514 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: November four, and I was getting ready to go to church. 515 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,879 Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to be in church. I need 516 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: all the help I can get. And David said, what 517 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: where are you going? I said, We're going to church, David, 518 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: and I started throwing up. He turned the light onto 519 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: the bathroom. He went, you are yellow. We're going to 520 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: the hospital. And I insisted I was going to church. 521 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: I got the car, we drove right by the church. 522 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: He ran every red light to get to the hospital 523 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: and Clint, I was in such bad shape. He dropped 524 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: me at the door of the hospital. I got in 525 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: the front door and I laid down on the in 526 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: the entrance area of the hospital. I cannot take another step. Now. 527 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, the fact that Text McIver 528 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: after he shoots his wife tells Danny Joe. He reprimands 529 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: her for I guess driving too fast to get to 530 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: the hospitals. Literally down, tell me what happened, tell me 531 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: the whole thing. So um, you know you have to 532 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: understand that Text mcgiver is a person who was living 533 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:46,280 Speaker 1: in Atlanta for more than forty years. He actually works downtown, Nancy, 534 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: you're very familiar with downtown Atlanta. He works at the 535 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: intersection of Peachtree in Twelfth Street, mirror blocks from Emrie 536 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: Crofit Long, just a few blocks from Pete Munt Hospital, 537 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: and Uh. Diane mcgever worked at Corey Enterprises, which was 538 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: right across the expressway from Grady Memorial Hospital in the southeast. 539 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: That's right, and so of course when he says, according 540 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: to him, he accidentally shoots his wife, his first thought is, 541 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: let me drive to another county to take her medical 542 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: Let me drive across town to the furthest hospital possible. 543 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: But what about did he reprimand Danny Joe about her driving? Yes, 544 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: he did, Man, she was trying, She said. She was 545 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: in a panic um after the shot was fired, and 546 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: she didn't realize that Diane had actually been hit with 547 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: the bullet. She thought that the bullet had gone in 548 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: the floorboard because when she turned around and looked in 549 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: the back seat, she saw Text mcgever with the gun 550 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: in his hand, and he was wiping his hands, making 551 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: emotion like he was wiping his hands as though trying 552 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: to rid himself of the gun shot residue that might 553 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: have been on his hand. And and she said, in 554 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: her mind she thought about going to Pete Mynt. But 555 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: you know she was on Pete Mount Avenue, Nancy, near 556 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: Petemont Park, and she didn't know how to navigate through 557 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: the potto to get to petem Hospital. And she aspects mcgiver, 558 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: where is the closest emergency room And he said, let's 559 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: just go to Emory and I'll tell you how to 560 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: get there. So as he's directing her to drive, and 561 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: she's driving and she's trying to run red lights and 562 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: she's trying to get there as quick as she can, 563 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: he says to her, slow down in essence, because I 564 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: don't want you to hit a woman who might be 565 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: out walking her baby. That's a quote. Was there a 566 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: woman out walking her baby at that time of night? 567 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely night. This was at tensive scene on a Sunday 568 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: road down. Okay, you know what, Clint, You've convinced me. 569 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: You have convinced me. And I don't need to hear 570 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: the rest. I don't need to. I just and I'll 571 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: give you this. I'll tell you this other thing too. Nancy, 572 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: did you know that in the back seat next to 573 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: him was his own cell phone. And he never called 574 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: nine one one. He never called nine one one. Can 575 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: ask you one other thing, Clint, when he got when 576 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: they got to Emory, and I haven't heard this discussed 577 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: one way or the other. Did he ever show his 578 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: wife any love? Well, that was the interesting thing. We've 579 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: talked to so many doctors and nurses and medical professionals 580 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 1: who tell us that although people grieve in many different ways, 581 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: there's a universal sign that most people show when they 582 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: are grieving. And he did not display any of those times. 583 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,720 Speaker 1: He didn't cry, did he love or did he kiss 584 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: her anything? Didn't kiss her, He didn't ask about her condition, 585 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,720 Speaker 1: He didn't stand outside the room when they were working 586 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 1: on her. What he did was he called his criminal 587 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: defense attorney to come to the hospital. That was the 588 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: very first phone call that he made when he arrived 589 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,959 Speaker 1: at em You know what, Clint, you have just brought 590 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: tears to my eyes because you know what, if I could, 591 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: you know my story, if I could have one kiss, 592 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 1: yes from my fiance, that one kiss from my father. 593 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: Now who's going to heaven? Oh what I would give? 594 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:51,439 Speaker 1: That's right? Nothing like that, Nothing like that. He never 595 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: asked to see her. He never wanted to be in 596 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: the room with her. Although Emory has a policy that 597 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: allows family members to be in the room, he never 598 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: he never wanted to do that. Take a listen to this. 599 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,800 Speaker 1: We would like to say to Diane, we hope that 600 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: you were watching, and we hope that you felt that 601 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: we stood for you and we stood for the things 602 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: that you represented. Uh. Secondly, we would very much like 603 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,720 Speaker 1: to thank the jury. I think most of the people 604 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: who watched this case could see that the jurors worked 605 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: extremely hard. They took notes, they were very attentive, and 606 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: they did something today that might not happen in the 607 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: normal case. At one point they said they couldn't reach 608 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: a verdict. The judge charged them with the alan charged 609 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:48,760 Speaker 1: and the jury had enough ambition and reasonableness about itself 610 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: to go back and they returned the verdict. And we 611 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 1: believe that the verdict is one uh that spoke the truth. Claire, 612 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: I want you to explain something else. You know, you 613 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: and I lived through this together. When I was trying 614 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 1: cases in inner city Atlanta. People think there's a big 615 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: victory when you get a guilty verdict, right. I never 616 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: felt that way. You know, I just felt relieved that 617 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: the right thing had been done, because you still have 618 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: a dead victim. That's right, that's right. What what went 619 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,399 Speaker 1: through your mind when you heard the jury come back 620 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: with a guilty verdict, Well, it was it was satisfaction 621 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: that Um. You know, Nancy, the work we do sometimes 622 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 1: it's really really thankless, but we do it because we 623 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 1: believe in the system. We believe in being a voice 624 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: for the voiceless. And in this case, Diamagaba didn't have 625 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:52,320 Speaker 1: any biological family members. Um, she only had a that 626 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: would stand up for her and the truth and justice 627 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: for what happened to her. And so it was relief 628 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: and satisfaction that the jury understood the evidence, they understood 629 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: the fact they deliberated I think very diligently, you know, Nancy, 630 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,240 Speaker 1: we had a very very smart jury. Um. The majority 631 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: of our jury had advanced degrees. They worked in professions 632 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,879 Speaker 1: that required them to make tough decisions all the time, 633 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 1: and I think they looked at the facts of this 634 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: case and and from what I understand from talking to 635 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: the jurors, UM, many of them believed that this was 636 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: a deliberately intended act and they were split with other 637 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: jurors who felt like perhaps it was not intentional, but 638 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: he had the intent to shoot her versus the intent 639 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: to kill her. All I know is this Clint Rucker. 640 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: I thank god that Diane like however, had you standing 641 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:58,280 Speaker 1: up for her in court? Everyone, my friend and colleague, 642 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: the lead attorney on the testament her prosecution, Clint Rocker, 643 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,360 Speaker 1: Thank you, friend, Thank you, Marthy. I love you to Clint, 644 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: I love you too. Man. Take a listen to the 645 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: prosecution's Clint Rucker. I started ask the question who will 646 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: stand for? Who will stand for? Dann of guy car 647 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,280 Speaker 1: thank you for standing for they her last wicked loss. 648 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 1: Dr da Hardy asked her of question d hard question, 649 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:58,399 Speaker 1: do you love to see h I'm putta, sue, Danna 650 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:03,800 Speaker 1: mouth that will be a speak. Diane knew she was done. 651 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: She said through over and over end and my dying? 652 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: Am I dying? We talked the false here's you know? 653 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: Especially oh they know you know? And so she asked 654 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: her question, listen. I told me that it was an accident. 655 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:36,280 Speaker 1: Do you want to see your husband? And she said 656 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: m hm no, And I just wanted you to see 657 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 1: the accomat of the defender's actions. She should reduced now 658 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: to by symbol number, he said in the minds so 659 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: people who loves her, Carl? Who will stand for Damagata? 660 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: A great woman she trying to beat, Ladies and gentlemen 661 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 1: whom you sank, You sank the Diana guy as she 662 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 1: cries out, who who'll stand? Why? Um I did? I am? 663 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend.